HULK SMASH!!!

GravatarFuck yeah!


GravatarWhee!


Gravatarsimels rocks!


Gravatarme


GravatarNo home run...


Gravatarwhoops


GravatarFellow Canadarians, revolt!


GravatarI've been out drinking.





Just wanted you to know...


GravatarAtrois tries, really he does.


GravatarI like the video...

No, really.


GravatarI've been out drinking.

I've been in drinking.

Too fucking cold to go out.


Gravatarfor once a canadian thread, but i get here late... and minutes later, new sheets.

ain't fair dammit. I need a hug.


Gravatara to the b


GravatarNow, it really is good night

Good night, all

Thanks for listening. My affection for the sweetest game is really something. Having watched more than a thousand games, I have a special place in my heart for the game. When it is played correctly, it is an amazing thing to see.

They inducted former Wing Igor Larionov into the Hockey Hall of Fame and they honored him tonight at the game. He was an amazing player, as were all of the Russians who played for the Wings.

Larionov is the L in the Red Army KLM line. Probably close to the best line ever. And, if you missed the Russian Five the Wings used to play, you have indeed missed one of the best experiences in sport.

Igor Larionov - center.
Sergei Federov - Right Wing.
Slava Koslov - Left Wing
Vladimir (the Vladiator) at defense with Slava Fetisov. (Who is the minister of sport in Russia now.)

Peace.


GravatarDo we continue to mock Canada with the new thread or just let it go?


Gravatarjeebus.


Gravatartake me to your leader, says add n to x

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...h? v=fGGWrJp4JHA


GravatarSweatervest Harper got the queen to make Atrios post this thread!


GravatarJust this: The KLM Line is the nickname given to one of the greatest offensive lines of all-time. The name comes from the initial of the patronym of its three members, Vladimir Krutov, Igor Larionov and Sergei Makarov. The line dominated the Soviet League, the three players playing together with the CSKA Moscow through the 80's, and on the international stage with the Soviet National Team


GravatarIgor Larionov - center.
Sergei Federov - Right Wing.
Slava Koslov - Left Wing
Vladimir (the Vladiator) at defense with Slava Fetisov. (Who is the minister of sport in Russia now.)

Peace.
DWD-S☮S

those were the days... my favorite russian player remains Tretiak.

bonne nuit, DWD


GravatarJust this: The KLM Line is the nickname given to one of the greatest offensive lines of all-time.

They also did a nice turntable.


Gravatarfor once a canadian thread, but i get here late... and minutes later, new sheets.

ain't fair dammit. I need a hug.
plum p,better democrats please


Hug

He does that to us left coasters all the time. Posts some Merkley story at 6AM Eastern.

Sounds like a mini coup up there in canuckistan


GravatarDo we continue to mock Canada with the new thread or just let it go?
macacawitz

laugh all you want, but at least we still have communist medecine here. for now, at least...


GravatarHaw!
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GravatarWe're watching Galaxy Quest!


GravatarSounds like a mini coup up there in canuckistan
ErinPDX

oui. et c'est de la merde. sorry for my french!


Gravatarwhat is the video?


GravatarJust this: The KLM Line is the nickname given to one of the greatest offensive lines of all-time.

Krutov and Makarov were the other two.


Gravatar"Rock on"?

To what?


Gravatarit's after midnight, so the canadian shit is okie dokie.

but fuck all, their bacon sucks.


GravatarI just helped a fellow "brother of the wheel" right his Kawasaki 1000. He hit some black ice, and went down.

I didn't see it happen, but I saw the bike, on its side, in a ditch. When I spotted him, I pulled up, and offered a hand.
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GravatarBlame Canada.


Gravatarbut fuck all, their bacon sucks.

Oh, is there not enough fat, you American hoser?


GravatarBLAME CANADA!


GravatarYou have a problem with fist fights in hockey but no problem with CBS broadcasting cage fighting on prime time saturday nights?


Gravatara very good analysis of what's been happening in Canada these last 8 days:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commen...t- conservatives


Gravatar"what is the video?"

it's a neighborhood band, wherein they decided that anyone that wants to play something can join.

if there was a spare tubaist laying about, they woulda used one.


GravatarI just helped a fellow "brother of the wheel" right his Kawasaki 1000. He hit some black ice, and went down.

I didn't see it happen, but I saw the bike, on its side, in a ditch. When I spotted him, I pulled up, and offered a hand.
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Jeffraham Prestonian


Always a fear.
Good for you, dude.


Gravatarwhat is the video?

Whatever it is, I'm sure it's very, very good.


GravatarMy nuts still hurt..


Gravatar"Oh, is there not enough fat, you American hoser?"

it's fucking round! ROUND! like a fooking hockey puck.


Gravatar...but...but...we have communist medecine!!!


Gravatarplum p
"and this is fuck?"


Gravatartrolls going at canadians now? man, they really have been neutered by Obama.


GravatarWhat's "Saturnalia"?


Gravatarlaugh all you want, but at least we still have communist medecine here. for now, at least...
plum p,better democrats please


My experience with the Canadian medical system is that is works well...until you get sick. It's routine here in Ottawa for people to wait months for an MRI, often in extreme pain, leading to dependency on pain killers while waiting for treatment. The story of the guy dying in the waiting room in Winnipeg while waiting a day and a half for treatment in an extreme example of a chronic situation.


Gravatar cosmic tumbler: Always a fear.
Good for you, dude.


I would never have guessed it was cold enough for there to BE any black ice, or else I wouldn't have ridden out. I left a couple of hours ago to meet my landlord at a neighborhood bar, less than two miles from here... the board had tried to oust him as El Presidente, unsuccessfully, and he was there with the others on his side, so I went to have a beer with 'em.
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Gravatarplum p
"and this is fuck?"
ErinPDX | 12.05.08 - 12:29 am |

merde is shit. but fuck can do too!


GravatarSaturnalia is the feast with which the Romans commemorated the dedication of the temple of the god Saturn, which was on 17 December. Over the years, it expanded to a whole week, to 23 December.

Saturnalia became one of the most popular Roman festivals. It was marked by tomfoolery and reversal of social roles, in which slaves and masters ostensibly switched places.


Gravatarbut fuck all, their bacon sucks.
jdw


Canadian bacon and pineapple pizza
yum


Gravatar"My experience with the Canadian medical system is that is works well...until you get sick. It's routine here in Ottawa for people to wait months for an MRI, often in extreme pain, leading to dependency on pain killers while waiting for treatment. "

my experience here is that without insurance i never get the mri, or even the fucking drugs.


GravatarWhich would make it theft. And so far, the lending isn't taking place.
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Sparkle Plenty

I agree with sparkle plenty. This is just plain old thievery, masked as some sort of "bailout" for the us economy..

And Barack needs to put single payer on the table, dammit!


GravatarHey folks. Check this out. Some new guest poster has written about the Republican video for McCain.

I read his post, watched the video and then posted. What if interesting to me is that this guestblogger sounds to me like a concern troll who keeps telling us that the Democrats have to reach out to the religious nuts or we will lose the support of the "plain talking folks"

It's like this person is having a argument from 2004. I think what I found more offensive was the way that he talked about "his people" it reminds me of Pumas. "I'm a long time democrat and have always voted Democrat but..." The "I'm a long time Democrat" bit is what sets my alarm bells off.

I don't know why the frak I care? It's like, if you are claiming to speak for "our" side about media and politics please try and keep up with the discussion that has already moved past your "insight" (i.e. Republicans use emotions to speak to the base! OMG!)

Here is the post.
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/1...-the- presi.html

I'm in such a crappy mood today, sorry for being so cranky.


Gravatarplum p
i ran it through this website
http://www.freetranslation.com/


GravatarSeneca the Younger wrote about Rome during Saturnalia around AD 50 (Sen. epist. 18,1-2):

It is now the month of December, when the greatest part of the city is in a bustle. Loose reins are given to public dissipation; everywhere you may hear the sound of great preparations, as if there were some real difference between the days devoted to Saturn and those for transacting business....Were you here, I would willingly confer with you as to the plan of our conduct; whether we should eve in our usual way, or, to avoid singularity, both take a better supper and throw off the toga.


Gravatar"What's "Saturnalia"?

that's the annual sale of Saturns.


Gravatarmy experience here is that without insurance i never get the mri, or even the fucking drugs.
jdw


Although generally less expensive, the drugs are not covered in Ontario under OHIP. Like in the states your drug coverage in all likelihood, comes from your employer.


GravatarWhere's my coke, NTodd?


GravatarSaturnalia became one of the most popular Roman festivals. It was marked by tomfoolery and reversal of social roles, in which slaves and masters ostensibly switched places.
barkley


Ah! The Origin of Christmas!


GravatarI had my first customer on my first day! Yay!
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Gravatar"Like in the states your drug coverage in all likelihood, comes from your employer."

unless you have no employer paid health care.

i'd take a less then optimal canadian system over no system any day.

but they can keep their fucking bacon.


Gravatar"I had my first customer on my first day! Yay!"

well done!


GravatarDuane V, this is hopeful:
http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/1...s-pick- for.html

Today, President-elect Barack Obama made his pick for budget chief official. It's going to be Peter Orszag, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, and a former budget director for President Clinton. If you want the baseline political story, there's plenty to read.

But here's the main thing to know: Orszag has become a major proponent of the argument that universal health care can actually SAVE taxpayers money and reduce the deficit - along with boosting our national economy.


GravatarAlso, I plan to have sex by the end of the year. I had a strong come-on, tonight that I plan to mercilessly exploit.
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Gravatari'd take a less then optimal canadian system over no system any day.

Agreed.


Gravatar"Also, I plan to have sex by the end of the year. "

me too, if the wife will agree.


Gravatar jdw: me too, if the wife will agree.



The property manager's sister has the hots for me. And we just met!
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Gravatar"Also, I plan to have sex by the end of the year. "

"Last night I went to a discount massage parlor....it was self-service."

Rodney Dangerfield


GravatarThe story of the guy dying in the waiting room in Winnipeg while waiting a day and a half for treatment in an extreme example of a chronic situation.
macacawitz

well, i was talking to a co-worker today, who had uterus cancer last year. she was telling me how she thinks that people complain too much about our system. she said her treatments were excellent and humane. Yes, you have to wait for first line services. Finding a family doctor is hard work. But when you have serious conditions and you get in the system, we are among the best served on this planet. And we don't have to worry about the money for paying for treatments. Yeah, some tragedies happen, the system is far from perfect. But compared to the healthcare of 90% of the humans living on Earth, i feel bloody lucky to be canadian.


GravatarI give the Canadians credit for trying to provide basic care to all. Lost in the translation is that Canada has a land mass ~200,000 sq miles larger than the US, and with only a population of 34 million.

When you have a populace spread out from the Yukon Territories to the Maritimes, that's a real challenge.


GravatarcaNaDa iS NoBOdY


GravatarOh, Canada!
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GravatarGood for you Jeffraham...things are going your way!


GravatarBarack Hussein O'Brien:

The Spook Who Sat By The Door...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ The...Sat_By_The_Door

http://video.google.com/ videopla...sat+by+the+door


GravatarI fgind that critique of Naomi Klein's book to be rather specious. Plus, "By so emphasizing “shock”—and so much of that shock being extreme repression and torture—Klein skirts the difficult question of how the right developed enough popular consent and legitimation to win election and re-election, sometimes in landslides. The Morning in America election of 1984 was about an exhilarating boom. Though the boom was uneven and crazy, and came after a deep recession, it was real enough to be believed by enough people to keep the story going."

Umm, "elected and reelected."?

Never happened during two Bush Jr. Administrations..

And the only "boom" I can recall in the last 28 years happened under Clinton, not Reagan..


GravatarThe following article appeared in Left Business Observer #117, March 2008. Copyright 2008, Left Business Observer

"left" business observer, indeed..


Gravatar sj: Good for you Jeffraham...things are going your way!

Well, first thangs first.

I doubt she'll wanna screw me under the underpass at American and I-40.
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GravatarOntario and Alberta cut their medical program to shit - - conservative premiers. BC still has a good one. Nobody waits months for an MRI, anyway.


Gravatarnight bats.

i just wanna say this:

fuck shitty college bands.

fuck round bacon.

fuck insurance companies.

fuck public transportation.

fuck bush and fuck cheney moreso.


GravatarLike in the states your drug coverage in all likelihood, comes from your employer.
macacawitz

in Québec, if you're not covered by your employer insurance, than you're insured by the govt. There's a franchise to pay for the few couple of hundreds or more depending on your revenues. But after that, you're covered. Which can be a big deal even if medication prices are lower here that in the States.


Gravataryeah you gotta point...specially not this time of year...


Gravatarthat round bacon isn't Canadian. Americans just call it Canadian bacon, who knows why. Who eats that shit?


Gravatar sj: yeah you gotta point...specially not this time of year...

Which is why I need at least seven rubes a day to toss me $5 for my cyber-busking!
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GravatarThats not bacon anyways...that's ham!


Gravatarexactly! Ham!


Gravatar"Orszag has become a major proponent of the argument that universal health care can actually SAVE taxpayers money and reduce the deficit - along with boosting our national economy."
ErinPDX

No duh! I hope you're right, ErinPDX, because I believe single payer is the only thing that will work..Certainly, the peicemeal approach they're taking toward healthcare now, won't.


GravatarYeah, some tragedies happen, the system is far from perfect. But compared to the healthcare of 90% of the humans living on Earth, i feel bloody lucky to be canadian.
plum p,better democrats please


Agreed.

My wife has a heart condition and she's been well cared for at the local heart institute.

When I moved to Canada I was on an anti-anxiety medication prescribed by a psychiatrist in the states. I had to queue up for 9 months before I could see a psychiatrist here.


GravatarNow American cheese - yeah, that's yours. Nobody else would eat it.


Gravatarfuck round bacon.

fuck insurance companies.

fuck public transportation.

fuck bush and fuck cheney moreso.
jdw

You forgot xmas.

Fuck xmas!


Gravatarthat round bacon isn't Canadian. Americans just call it Canadian bacon, who knows why. Who eats that shit?
Ali

I... don't know what canadian bacon is! Me bad. Help!

and also, the bacon in the UK is ham slices, it's not bacon at all! Took me a while to understand that their "bacon sandwich" is not made with bacon strips between 2 slices of bread!

i'm a dumb frog, i know. alberta's been telling us that all week...

anyway, i like my strips extra cooked and crunchy. The saltiest the better

and I have no blood pressure problems...yet


GravatarOntario and Alberta cut their medical program to shit - - conservative premiers. BC still has a good one. Nobody waits months for an MRI, anyway.
Ali, babysitter | 12.05.08 - 12:47 am


Who could've imagined a bunch of cons preaching that government programs fail and then gutting the programs so they do fail?

Conservatives of the world = self-fulfilling prophecy of Miserable Failure


Gravatarmacacawitz, psychiatric care isn't covered here. So you got it through OHIP?


Gravatarxmas is all Canada's fault. Sonsabitches had to go and romanticize snow and ice.


GravatarI had to queue up for 9 months before I could see a psychiatrist here.
macacawitz

yeah, psychiatry is one of the longuest cue to wait.


GravatarI think Canadian Bacon is their version of Spam..


Gravatarmacacawitz, psychiatric care isn't covered here. So you got it through OHIP?
Ali

are you sure? Psychologist are not covered here, but psychiatrist are. I know that for a fact!


Gravatarin Québec, if you're not covered by your employer insurance, than you're insured by the govt.

Not in Ontario. I understand that in Quebec they also subsidize youth hockey; apparently to dissuade kids from playing soccer which has become an attractive alternative.


GravatarPlum, maybe British bacon is what Americans call Canadian Bacon. That sounds about right.


GravatarAll private, plum. I asked.


Gravatarmacacawitz, psychiatric care isn't covered here. So you got it through OHIP?
Ali


Absolutely. My family practitioner made a referral to a psychiatrist and it's covered under OHIP.


GravatarQuebec is the most socialist province, obviously.

Daycare too, right?


GravatarConservatives of the world = self-fulfilling prophecy of Miserable Failure
Tom - 大肚腩

...and arrogance.

ladies and gentlemen: Stephen Harper


GravatarI mean, as much as I love Doug Henwood...


GravatarDaycare too, right?
Ali

8$ a day... rest paid by the govt. Daycare for 40$ a week.

but then again, in some areas, you need to reserve a place before the child is actually conceived


GravatarIf I clicked on every YouTube I'd never leave the house


GravatarPlum, maybe British bacon is what Americans call Canadian Bacon. That sounds about right.
Ali

i think you got it.


GravatarYeah, some tragedies happen, the system is far from perfect. But compared to the healthcare of 90% of the humans living on Earth, i feel bloody lucky to be canadian.
plum p,better democrats please


I've missed two chances to become a Canadian citizen. Given the health problems I've had this year, I'm starting to regret it.


GravatarNot in Ontario. I understand that in Quebec they also subsidize youth hockey; apparently to dissuade kids from playing soccer which has become an attractive alternative.
macacawitz



actually, the kids play more soccer than hockey here too. But they still dream to wear a Canadiens shirt center ice at the old Forum (if it still existed)


Gravatarhaloscan sux


GravatarBRANCACCIO: Give us a sense of where we are, with our working lives. Here, now, in the 21st Century. There are challenges of the low-wage work. But what about, you know, with some new skills, some education, maybe those workers can lift themselves up into the middle class? Or maybe their children could.
HENWOOD: Well, if they're lucky. But the record of upward mobility in the United States is not anywhere near as happy as a lot of people would like to think. Most people stay roughly in the income category they were born into. That their parents occupied.
And the United States isn't particularly mobile compared to other countries. We think of this as the great land of upward mobility, but that's really not that much more mobile in either direction than western Europe. And we also have a very, very large low-wage workforce. About the largest in the northern hemisphere.
And also people don't exit from that very quickly. They just sort of stay there for much of their working lives. It's not really a point of entry into the labor market. But for most people where they're going to have a long-term residence.
BRANCACCIO: I mean, surely we all know people who grew up in poverty and moved on to middle class and beyond. But you're saying that actually this isn't representative? Or it's just not as true as we think it is?
HENWOOD: It's not as true as we think it is. And if people move, they move a notch. They don't move four or five notches up the ladder.

http://www.pbs.org/now/ transcrip...pt_henwood.html


GravatarIf I clicked on every YouTube I'd never leave the house
Buzz Bomb | 12.05.08 - 1:00 am | #

When you get to heaven ...this won't be a problem.


Gravatarokay then, canada doesn't suck, but sometimes it does. D'accord?

now i have a game. in the Where's Waldo style: International Space Station: Find the Astronaut

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod...d/ ap081202.html


GravatarOntario and Alberta cut their medical program to shit

Albertan's tend to fancy themselves as the Canadian equivalent of Texans. Tough minded self-starters, independent, resentful of the eastern Canadian bureaucracy. They're the Canadians' who have most benefited from the price of oil going to $140/barrel. Now that the price has dropped precipitously, it's taken a little of the bloom off of their rose.


Gravatarlook at the time!
must go to bed, now.

au revoir mes amis!


GravatarFound him, plum!


GravatarNow that the price has dropped precipitously, it's taken a little of the bloom off of their rose.
macacawitz

one word: comeuppance


Gravatarand oh my gosh, macacawitz, they are pissed about the coalition.

I have family and friends in AB and they are pretty much shrieking in unison.


GravatarCalgary Stampede!


GravatarCalgary Stampede!
ErinPDX |


git along little albertans!


GravatarBut what about, you know, with some new skills, some education, maybe those workers can lift themselves up into the middle class? Or maybe their children could

I have no idea who these people are, but this is the classic slide around the problem of insufficient income.

Say the person they are talking about is currently employed as a motel mail. Maybe that person is working this gig while going to school and after completing same will become eligible for better paid work.

But somebody still has to change the sheets and scrub the bathroom at the motel. Find me a system that allows a motel maid to live a decent life and I will say you are well on your way to a civilized society. She should be able to afford decent housing, clothe herself, buy food and seek medical attention when needed without fear of losing the previous items mentioned.

Individuals can "move up" the income ladder by means such as depicted above. The people Eisenrich talks about in "Nickled and Dimed" and other works are the ones we need to find a way to live a decent life.


GravatarOnly Americans can be real cowboys. And Canadians are NOT American!


GravatarMotel maid dammit. I read that twice and missed the typo. I shoud not post late at night when drinking.


GravatarI have family and friends in AB and they are pretty much shrieking in unison.
Ali, accomplished


Here in the capital region you get a few heavy sighs from the bureaucrats; no one ever seems to get too worked up about anything. I sometimes feel that if you told them that the U.S. had taken over and that they were expected to line up to get their new passports, they'd shrug their shoulders say fine and wait patiently for their new documentation.


Gravatar. The people Eisenrich talks about in "Nickled and Dimed" and other works are the ones we need to find a way to live a decent life.
Xan

I'm certain David Brancaccio was playing devil's advocate when he asked Henwood that question..Both being very progressive. My only problem with Henwood, who is a brilliant economist, by the way, is his critique of Naomi Klein.


Gravatarlost my virginity to an albertan

ha


GravatarMy only problem with Henwood, who is a brilliant economist, by the way, is his critique of Naomi Klein.
DuaneV, Wittol


Naomi Klein was born in Montreal, the child of American, Vietnam era draft resisters. I've yet to find an average Canadian who knows anything about her.


Gravatarcrazy canadians.....
http://www.ontariogenealogy.com/ ...saneasylum.html


GravatarWhoops... wong link...
crazy canadians..
http://chronicle.com/forums/inde...p? topic=55534.0


GravatarGood night all.

I'm going to put on Bob Fass and pass out...


GravatarDamn but Thursday nights here are always dead. Knew I shoulda kept on keeping my mouth shut.....


GravatarPaul Benedict, dead at 70.

Along with "The Jeffersons," you may remember him from "Spinal Tap" and as Guffman (or Not Guffman) in "Waiting for Guffman"...


GravatarHallooo?


GravatarHey! I DID take a shower this afternoon.


GravatarEverybody shopped 'til they dropped?


GravatarWhat the Hell, HOME RUN!


Gravatargreat little piece of writing....

http://chronicle.com/forums/inde...p? topic=55534.0

from yesterday....


GravatarBach!

The landlord dropped in and had another beer. We talked politics.
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GravatarFour teen visitors?

Oh, my.

[/Sulu]
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GravatarHey Xan!


GravatarHey Doug! Hey Xan!
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Gravataranybody home?


GravatarHey Ali!
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Gravatar
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Gravatar






GravatarI just got home.


GravatarIs it 2:00 AM there, Doug, or are you more westerly?


GravatarHeh. I love how the little guys all wave in unison.


GravatarIt's midnight here.


GravatarAh, not so late then. Late enough for a Thursday!


GravatarHow did we communicate before emoticons were invented? Anybody remember?


GravatarFolding scooters so you never need to be without one.

http://www.caroholic.com/62_centaur.htm

I wonder if this can be taken on a plane?


Gravatar Doug: Folding scooters so you never need to be without one.

http://www.caroholic.com/62_centaur.htm

I wonder if this can be taken on a plane?


Neat ideer, but... 90 pounds?
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GravatarTell your friends -- keep Jeffraham, Curly and L.E. under a roof!
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GravatarThat's a seriously nerdy website, Doug.


GravatarNot that there's anything wrong with that.


GravatarOK, you 18 visitors, say something!


GravatarOh, and... no, that wouldn't be allowed on a plane, even as checked baggage.

It's got flammables!

I had to convince a couple of MTA bus drivers that my electric skateboard scooter wasn't gasoline-powered, even.
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GravatarOldest Marijuana Stash Found
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/20...uana- stash.html

2700 years old, it might be a little stale.


GravatarWhite House documents found to be altered
By: Kelly Gibbs
Posted: 12/5/08
Scott Althaus, professor of political science and communication, and Kalev Leetaru, coordinator of research in the Cline Center for Democracy, recently found that the U.S. White House Web site has modified, and in some cases, deleted key documents in the public record.

http://www.dailyillini.com/home/...c7- 40dbdf392b96


Is destroying government an offense, like destroying government property? Or take your pick.
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Gravatar Doug: 2700 years old, it might be a little stale.

I'd hit it.

(puffpuffpass)
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Gravatarbicycles get a free pass. I had a bike box stuffed with half my luggage as well as the bike when I took the bus across the border. They went through my carry on, but when I told them I had a bike in a box still on the bus, the US customs guy was like "meh, whatever" and didn't check it.

same on the way back.


GravatarHow did we communicate before emoticons were invented? Anybody remember?
Ali, accomplished

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Words. Grunts. Stuff like that.
I'm of to bed. I spent some time today talking to a whippersnapper about contacting advertisers of a radio station host. I sometimes forget that not everyone lives in my head and would do things the way that I did.

All the things that I did seemed very logical to me. And of course the proof was in the pudding (mmmmm, pudding....)

What is strange is how in my head I go from this sense of "It's no big deal" to being very full of myself.
My 15 minutes was almost two years ago. It's still fresh in my mind, but not for anyone else. So I gave the kid some tips, but I also worried about him getting attacked by these people, they do not play fair, especially if you impact their revenue stream.


GravatarI used to just slap my substantial meat on a flat rock to communicate.

Then, I got old.
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GravatarYou're a good person, spo c k o...

Worried about the kid.

It was almost 2 years ago, but it was a big deal.


GravatarHA! JP, I'm sure it hurt, too. Substantial or not.


Gravatar Ali: HA! JP, I'm sure it hurt, too. Substantial or not.

Not if you do it right.
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GravatarOk, you're all too chatty tonight; I can't keep up!

L8R, Eschawankers.


GravatarA Virginia businessman who bought a $1 million grand party package for President-elect Barack Obama's inauguration plans to invite disadvantaged people and wounded soldiers.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/...rint=1& page=all

"so this is working very well for them" /barbara bush
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GravatarAli. I also knew how to handle the message and the media, that isn't something that a lot of people understand and I had multiple media messages and issues I could talk about as well as an actual news "event" to work with.

If I do something again it would be nice to figure out which issue to push. Privacy when they out me? Slander when they call me a Commie? Power of corporations to suppress others?


GravatarThe Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 law calls for 30-year prison terms for using machine guns to commit violent crimes of any kind, whether drug-related or not.


GravatarIn Tapes, Johnson Accused Nixon’s Associates of Treason
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/ 0...agewanted=print

Some call it treason.
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GravatarSpocko, there ought to be a way to go after a large corporation that makes it difficult to impossible for them to retaliate.

A swarm attack by many might work. Let them try to slap away thousands of public stings from your org's tentacles.


GravatarPlum, maybe British bacon is what Americans call Canadian Bacon.

FTR: It's not.

Back bacon = Canadian bacon
Streaky bacon = British bacon
Burnt bacon = American bacon


GravatarAnd Americans seem to have no fucking idea what gammon is, either. Too busy burning their bacon, I s'pose.


GravatarSome call it treason.

And because Kissinger and Nixon got away with it in 1968, it's very likely that Reagan's people tried something similar in 1980 with the Iranians.

The Dems keep giving the Repugs second chances, thinking that the Repugs will respect them for letting them off the hook, and the country just goes downhill at an even faster rate.

Put the bastards in jail for twenty years and they'll have a few second thoughts about fucking around with people's lives for political gain.


GravatarThis was weird tonight... cleaning the filters on one of the aquariums, and inside one of them was a 2 inch long ottocinclus (little algae eating sucker fish). Surprised the heck out of me, I had to scramble to keep him from going down the drain and get him out of chlorinated water asap.

Hope he makes it and didn't get his gills chlorine burned too bad, and this has to be weird for him, he must have grown up in there, today was the first light he's seen in 6 months.


GravatarStill the undisputed thread killing champ!


GravatarYay, Barry!

Fish rescuer!
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GravatarI saved a fish, once.

Once.
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Gravatartoday was the first light he's seen in 6 months.

Mental image of a fish clapping its fins together, and mouthing, "I can see!"


GravatarMental image of a fish clapping its fins together, and mouthing, "I can see!"
montag


Well, I'm more worried about its gills, being exposed to chlorinated water to them is like a WWI Doughboy under gas attack.

Thanks JP, er.. why does Blogger have that flagged as possibly objectionable?


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: Thanks JP, er.. why does Blogger have that flagged as possibly objectionable?

Out of an abundance of caution, I marked the site as potentially containing adult content -- note that one of the graphics has the word "shittin'" in it.
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GravatarOut of an abundance of caution, I marked the site as potentially containing adult content -- note that one of the graphics has the word "shittin'" in it.

That was dang thoughtful of you.

Hee, back when I first got started in the intertubes, I was between jobs, my first web page was "Will Fly for Food" (1994). My dad didn't like it too much, especially this pic I had .

http://web.archive.org/web/19970...phics/ noeat.gif

I'm still glad the wayback machine has most of the old stuff archived.


GravatarWell, I'm more worried about its gills,

Algae eaters are remarkably chlorine resistant.


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: Hee, back when I first got started in the intertubes, I was between jobs, my first web page was "Will Fly for Food" (1994). My dad didn't like it too much, especially this pic I had .

What's wrong with that? Gee whiz.

My first web page evolved into Allan Holdsworth's first official site, but it took a while to get there.
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GravatarAlgae eaters are remarkably chlorine resistant.
Aquaman


Yea, the plecostomus branch is, but ottos are notoriously fragile.


Gravatarottos are notoriously fragile.

Then you'll know by morning. Good luck.


GravatarThen you'll know by morning. Good luck.
Aquaman


Yep, thats a fact.


GravatarJP, you ever been to "OObject"?

They have pages and pages of neat stuff, I wasted 6 hours there this morning.

On the home page, look at #3, the toolkits, that piano dudes kit... wow.

http://www.oobject.com/


Gravatar"that piano dudes kit."

The 'studley" one?
It's kind of amazing.
I've got some good tool kits but none of them are in any way organized like that one.


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: JP, you ever been to "OObject"?

Now, why do you wanna go and do THAT?


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GravatarThe 'studley" one?
It's kind of amazing.
I've got some good tool kits but none of them are in any way organized like that one.
Doug


It's awesome.


Gravatar
Now, why do you wanna go and do THAT?


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Jeffraham Prestonian


Cause it's mostly pictures and videos, while
http://cryptome.net/ is a lot, a lot, of reading.

I like pictures.


Gravataryou ever been to "OObject"?

I say goddamn the pusher man!


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: I like pictures.

Me too.

I just need to concentrate on creating seven $5 Photoshop jobs every day, so I wanna stay focused.
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GravatarHow happy you are may depend on how happy your friends’ friends’ friends are, even if you don’t know them at all.
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“Your happiness depends not just on your choices and actions, but also on the choices and actions of people you don’t even know who are one, two and three degrees removed from you,” said Dr. Nicholas A. Christakis, a physician and social scientist at Harvard Medical School and an author of the study, to be published Friday in BMJ, a British journal. “There’s kind of an emotional quiet riot that occurs and takes on a life of its own, that people themselves may be unaware of.”

In fact, said his co-author, James H. Fowler, an associate professor of political science at University of California, San Diego, their research found that “if your friend’s friend’s friend becomes happy, that has a bigger impact on you being happy than putting an extra $5,000 in your pocket.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/ 0...agewanted=print

Try me.
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GravatarI say goddamn the pusher man!
rorschach, superfluous


The first one is free!




GravatarHas the U.S. sunk any deeper into its post-partisan depression this week?


Gravatar
The first one is free!



Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 12.05.08 - 3:51 am | #


Well, maybe just this once...


GravatarThe Amish!
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GravatarHas the U.S. sunk any deeper into its post-partisan depression this week?
DFH in Dubrovnik


Nah, there are still little groups of deadenders to stomp out, it's kinda fun.


GravatarThe Amish!
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Jeffraham Prestonian


Nice furniture, costs too much.


GravatarNah, there are still little groups of deadenders to stomp out, it's kinda fun.

Barry from Alaska 01-20-09


Whack-a-Pol?


Gravatarmorning, all.

The scrambling around trying to redo in the occupied WH is kinda funny - time for the shackles to come out, I think.


GravatarThe scrambling around trying to redo in the occupied WH is kinda funny - time for the shackles to come out, I think.
Ruth


Barney Frank has been kinda funny lately too --

OBAMA: There's only one president at a time...

FRANK: I'm afraid that overstates the number of presidents we have.


GravatarBarney Frank is always just hilarious.


GravatarWhack-a-Pol?
DFH in Dubrovnik


a.k.a. Monster Mash


GravatarI'm just sad that we crushed Bill O'Reilly's spirit to the extent that he's quitting his radio show.

Poor guy.


GravatarBarney Frank is on CSpan telling me what I said in my post yesterday is altogether right, we can't get investors because the U.S. proved it can't be trusted.

/regulation is pro-market; Frank.


GravatarI'm just sad that we crushed Bill O'Reilly's spirit to the extent that he's quitting his radio show.

I will celebrate in my usual way, by not paying attention to him


GravatarI'm just sad that we crushed Bill O'Reilly's spirit to the extent that he's quitting his radio show

I'm not. Stupid, crazy son of a bitch is still on teevee.


GravatarI couldnt hep myself, I had to go tell Hiatt he's not fooling anyone, he's making a comparison between the w liebury and Clintons humanitarian foundation to cover for teh criminals again. at WaPo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...8120403658.html


GravatarI'm just sad that we crushed Bill O'Reilly's spirit to the extent that he's quitting his radio show.

Poor guy.
rorschach, superfluous



Happy Holidays anyway, Bill!


GravatarTry me.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory

Word. I'll take five thousand dollars, happiness be damned.


GravatarMph

grunt

mornin


GravatarI don't believe in it anyway.


GravatarOy!
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GravatarWhack-a-Pol?
DFH in Dubrovnik


Little pockets of deadenders, filing endless lawsuits.

Tiny, but ankle biters none the less.

I do love smacking em away however.


Gravatarbelch


Gravatar"I do love smacking em away however."

Please do!


GravatarOh, I was gonna do the O'reiley quits story.

Dang.


GravatarObama's Kettle of Hawks
By JEREMY SCAHILL

December 02, 2008 "The Guardian" -- - Barack Obama has assembled a team of rivals to implement his foreign policy. But while pundits and journalists speculate endlessly on the potential for drama with Hillary Clinton at the state department and Bill Clinton's network of shady funders, the real rivalry that will play out goes virtually unmentioned. The main battles will not be between Obama's staff, but rather against those who actually want a change in US foreign policy, not just a staff change in the war room.

When announcing his foreign policy team on Monday, Obama said: "I didn't go around checking their voter registration." That is a bit hard to believe, given the 63-question application to work in his White House. But Obama clearly did check their credentials, and the disturbing truth is that he liked what he saw.

The assembly of Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, Susan Rice and Joe Biden is a kettle of hawks with a proven track record of support for the Iraq war, militaristic interventionism, neoliberal economic policies and a worldview consistent with the foreign policy arch that stretches from George HW Bush's time in office to the present.

Obama has dismissed suggestions that the public records of his appointees bear much relevance to future policy. "Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost," Obama said. "It comes from me. That's my job, to provide a vision in terms of where we are going and to make sure, then, that my team is implementing." It is a line the president-elect's defenders echo often. The reality, though, is that their records do matter.

http:// www.informationclearingho...rticle21373.htm


GravatarMeet the new boss.


GravatarWell, they are ganging up on me over at Ed's.. probably just 5 minutes till I'm banned.. again.

Its my life.


GravatarGuess what Barry, now that Stevens is gone *poof* the criminals in the WH have to drag somebody new in to put a hold on lege to keep the WH papers out of the public hands. Who wants this hot potato? Answer: whoever has really, really dirty hands.


GravatarHow Many Americans Died Because of Bush’s Torture Program?
By Scott Horton

December 02, 2008 "Harpers" -- According to a special operations intelligence officer, the answer is a number north of three thousand–not counting the tens of thousands maimed or seriously wounded, the destruction of the nation’s reputation as a moral leader, or the damage done to our Constitution. In a stunning op-ed published in Sunday’s Washington Post, a special operations intelligence officer details his direct experience with torture practices put into effect in Iraq in 2006—long after the Pentagon had forsworn them, but while Donald Rumsfeld was still running the shop.

Amid the chaos, four other Air Force criminal investigators and I joined an elite team of interrogators attempting to locate Zarqawi. What I soon discovered about our methods astonished me. The Army was still conducting interrogations according to the Guantanamo Bay model: Interrogators were nominally using the methods outlined in the U.S. Army Field Manual, the interrogators’ bible, but they were pushing in every way possible to bend the rules — and often break them. I don’t have to belabor the point; dozens of newspaper articles and books have been written about the misconduct that resulted. These interrogations were based on fear and control; they often resulted in torture and abuse.

The Pentagon’s claims that it had returned to interrogations based on the venerable Field Manual, was, it seems, conscious disinformation. But the officer offers an assessment. The torture techniques consistently failed to produce actionable intelligence, he said. But the old techniques—which rest on confidence building—consistently worked and gave the interrogators access to information that saved lives. Moreover, the strategies employed to effect later were used as a much broader tactic, accentuating differences between native Iraqi Sunnis and foreign fighters, in what came to be known as the “Sunni Awakening.”

http:// www.informationclearingho...rticle21372.htm


GravatarI've never been banned from anything in my entire life.


GravatarIf y'all have some blogging pals, and wanna get 'em a cheap gift (or just want to let them know where they can get some cheap Photoshop work), this is the place.

Give Curly a chance, eh?
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GravatarThe trouble with calling all Obama's cabinet hawks is that they are (except Gates, who had no say) on record as opposed to the war, and voted to give the cretin in chief authority to negotiate, which was supposed not to be used except in extremis. of course, the WH lied. And lied. And lied.


GravatarGuess what Barry, now that Stevens is gone *poof* the criminals in the WH have to drag somebody new in to put a hold on lege to keep the WH papers out of the public hands. Who wants this hot potato? Answer: whoever has really, really dirty hands.
Ruth


Criminal Steven's attorneys have been granted an addition 30 pages in their application for new trial, up to 75 pages now.

He's fucked, Bush is gonna pardon him, which will mean he was guilty in the first place.



Gravatar DuaneV: I've never been banned from anything in my entire life.

Oh, I have (last graphic). What's funny is that this graphic got around the local blogosphere that day, and by the next day, the banning person quit.



TRUE STORY!
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GravatarI've never been banned from anything in my entire life.
DuaneV, Wittol


Then go hit here, make up a name, and join the fun.

I give ya 10 minutes or less.

http://www.plainsradio.com/chat.html




GravatarMedia Still Letting Bush Lie on Iraq Inspectors
ABC, WaPo fail to challenge president's misinformation

12/2/08
In a December 1 interview with ABC anchor Charles Gibson, George W. Bush gave a grossly erroneous history of the run-up to the Iraq War--a false version of events that Gibson failed to challenge and the Washington Post glossed over the following day.
When Gibson asked if Bush wished he had any "do-overs," Bush responded:
BUSH: I don't know--the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is [sic] a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn't just people in my administration; a lot of members in Congress, prior to my arrival in Washington D.C., during the debate on Iraq, a lot of leaders of nations around the world were all looking at the same intelligence. And, you know, that's not a do-over, but I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.
GIBSON: If the intelligence had been right, would there have been an Iraq War?
BUSH: Yes, because Saddam Hussein was unwilling to let the inspectors go in to determine whether or not the U.N. resolutions were being upheld. In other words, if he had had weapons of mass destruction, would there have been a war? Absolutely.
GIBSON: No, if you had known he didn't.
BUSH: Oh, I see what you're saying. You know, that's an interesting question. That is a do-over that I can't do. It's hard for me to speculate.
The Washington Post's write-up (12/1/0, praising Bush's "new candor," reported that he admitted to errors and regrets in several key areas. He said he wished "the intelligence had been different" on Iraq but declined to speculate on whether he still would have decided to go to war. "That is a do-over that I can't do," he said.
As Greg Sargent of Talking Points Memo (12/2/0 noted: "For Bush to blame the failure of intel for his decision to invade is not a concession at all, and it is not an admission of failure on his part.... It is an evasion of responsibility for what happened."
But there was an even more glaring distortion of history in Bush's statement: his claim that Saddam Hussein prevented weapons inspectors from conducting searches in Iraq. In reality, the inspections were a well-publicized process that attracted international news coverage and were the subject of lengthy discussions at the United Nations.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3657


GravatarEugene Robinson has a post on WH delusional stage, I even went ahead and commented there, about calling it LYING. I was weak this a.m. and commented at WaPo. sorrrryyy


Gravatar"The trouble with calling all Obama's cabinet hawks is that they are (except Gates, who had no say) on record as opposed to the war, and voted to give the cretin in chief authority to negotiate.."
Ruth


Jeremy Scahill disagrees:

"The assembly of Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, Susan Rice and Joe Biden is a kettle of hawks with a proven track record of support for the Iraq war, militaristic interventionism, neoliberal economic policies and a worldview consistent with the foreign policy arch that stretches from George HW Bush's time in office to the present."

http:// www.informationclearingho...rticle21373.htm


GravatarEugene Robinson has a post on WH delusional stage, I even went ahead and commented there, about calling it LYING. I was weak this a.m. and commented at WaPo. sorrrryyy
Ruth


Bad on you Ruth for posting on WaPo.

Punishment is a hot bath this evening, purge the toxins out.


GravatarWaPo?!?

I feel so....Dirty..


Gravatar"The trouble with calling all Obama's cabinet hawks is that they are (except Gates, who had no say) on record as opposed to the war"

true dat - but it still gives one pause. At least me it does...

hey obama wasn't my guy, but I know he was way better than the alternative and these people will take their orders from him.

Obama seems to have studied the presidency and knows that a first class temperament (which he has) and an administration where people know what to do (which he seems to be developing) can get a lot done


Gravataryes, Duane, except that he doesn't have proof of that, and Hillary and Biden have spoken several times on the subject to the effect that they voted to give authority, not to go to war, and regret it... I don't know Susan Rice has said anything except she is opposed to the war, always has been. Gates is military, is not supposed to speak out on the subject, just supposed to do his job.


GravatarObama seems to have studied the presidency and knows that a first class temperament (which he has) and an administration where people know what to do (which he seems to be developing) can get a lot done
Uncle Blodge, Urban Yeacher


I don't think he "studied" it hard, intense, like Big Dog did, but he's got an inane sense of being able to do the right thing.

Backed up with a really good sense/knowledge of history.


GravatarChris Bury: Hack

ABC's Bury falsely claimed Big Three auto companies "pay union workers more than $73 an hour in wages and benefits"

Summary: On World News, Chris Bury falsely claimed that "Ford, Chrysler, and GM pay union workers more than $73 an hour in wages and benefits." In fact, according to General Motors, the figure -- which GM puts at $69 per hour -- is based not only on current workers' hourly wages and benefits, such as health care and retirement, but also retirement and health-care benefits that U.S. automakers are providing for current retirees.

On the December 3 broadcast of ABC's World News, national correspondent Chris Bury falsely claimed that "Ford, Chrysler, and GM pay union workers more than $73 an hour in wages and benefits." In fact, according to General Motors, which reportedly puts its current hourly labor costs at around $69, the figure is based not only on current workers' hourly wages and benefits, such as health care and retirement, but also retirement and health-care benefits that U.S. automakers are providing for current retirees, as Media Matters for America has noted.

Bury described the alleged $73 an hour pay rate as "the big stuff" that the United Auto Workers "did not offer to give back" as a concession to keep GM, Chrysler, and Ford from falling into bankruptcy. But the Associated Press reported that GM "says its total hourly labor costs dropped 6 percent this year from pre-contract levels, from $73.26 in 2006 to around $69 per hour," and according to a GM spokesman, "The new cost includes laborers' wages of $29.78 per hour, plus benefits, pensions and the cost of providing health care to more than 432,000 GM retirees."

Bury joins numerous other media figures who have advanced the falsehood that U.S. autoworkers employed by General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler earn $70 or more per hour in wages and benefits.

From the December 3 broadcast of ABC's World News with Charles Gibson:

BURY: But the union did not offer to give back the big stuff: pay and benefits that remain a fundamental problem. Ford, Chrysler, and GM pay union workers more than $73 an hour in wages and benefits. Japanese plants here shell out just over $44. For GM, that translates into $1,500 more per car than Toyota has to pay.

http://mediamatters.org/items/20...0012? f=h_latest


Gravatar
Punishment is a hot bath this evening, purge the toxins out.

Barry from Alaska 01-20-09


I can take it. I'm tough.


GravatarI can take it. I'm tough.
Ruth


I knew ya could, you be a trooper.


GravatarI was banned from a delphi forum once. I called the creator of the forum on creating various characters to defend himself and also characters to have meltdowns that he could rescue them from and so be a hero.

weird shit


GravatarI've never been banned from anything in my entire life.
DuaneV, Wittol | 12.05.08 - 4:34 am | #


I've only ever been banned from something called "decent society."

Somehow, it has not affected my life noticeably.


Gravatar"hey obama wasn't my guy, but I know he was way better than the alternative and these people will take their orders from him"

Well, Ruth, too many of those influential and "experienced" cabinet folk hedged their bets on the subject (at the very least) early on, for my tastes...

And, let's hope we can get through to Obama, that substituting a war in Afghanistan, which has the potential to go nuclear because of its ties/proximity to Pakistan, is not a viable alternative...


Gravatar"I don't think he "studied" it hard, intense, like Big Dog did, but he's got an inane sense of being able to do the right thing."

you may be right but he's studied enough, ya know?


GravatarI've only ever been banned from something called "decent society."

Somehow, it has not affected my life noticeably.
rorschach, superfluous


And those of us on the other side are eternally grateful to have you among us.


Gravatar"I've only ever been banned from something called "decent society.""

is that anything like polite society?

I've been banned from that for some reason.

belching and farting were mentioned...


GravatarAnd those of us on the other side are eternally grateful to have you among us.

Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 12.05.08 - 4:53 am | #


Flatterer.

Indecent society is much more enjoyable, I find.


GravatarI guess I got "banned" from my last relationship, by my ex..


Actually "banished" works better...


GravatarY'all just took off while I worked on Will Photoshop For Food, now, didn't ya?
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Gravataryou may be right but he's studied enough, ya know?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Yeacher


Yep, he put more into one year than I did in all my 20 in schools.

Its just gotta be a head banging thing to have both of them, Bill and Barck, in a room alone.

It's gotta get down to "my dick is bigger", and I don't mean that in any disparaging sense.

Still, would be fun to watch.


GravatarIndecent society is much more enjoyable, I find.
rorschach, superfluous


I'd rather laugh with the sinners, than cry with the saints.

The sinners are much more fun..


GravatarJust got an email telling me that this is the U.N. International Volunteer Day. What made the rest of them involuntary? Now I'm worried.


Gravatar"Its just gotta be a head banging thing to have both of them, Bill and Barck, in a room alone."

I'll take Obama and I'll give ya points.

I see Obama as way more secure in himself than clinton


GravatarWhat made the rest of them involuntary? Now I'm worried.

Conscripts, ya never can trust em.


Gravatar"Conscripts, ya never can trust em."

it's the berets.


GravatarWapo just asked me to take a survery. First question.

Which, if any, of the following best describes your primary work role or job title?
(Please select one answer.)
Board member/board of directors, Chairman, President, Principal or owner, CEO, COO, CFO, CIO/CTO (or equivalent), CMO, General manager, non IT operations, Managing director - non IT operations, Senior or executive VP, non IT operations, VP of IT/MIS (or equivalent), VP of marketing - sales - finance - HR or similar, Business unit/line of business senior manager, Director of IT - IT manager - or IT middle management, Director - manager or middle management of marketing - sales - finance - HR or similar,
Business unit/line of business middle management, Technical staff (e.g. scientific- engineering- R&D), Media/publishing staff, IT analyst, Business analyst, Financial analyst, Industry analyst, Consultant, Senior editor publisher or broadcast journalist, Financial or industry correspondent, Government official, Lobbyist, Other (please specify)


Are they out of touch with the real world or not?


GravatarJP, I may need a photoshop job for birdblogging, am working on it. Birds they be funny sorts, sometimes. too bad I already did Lame Duck day.


GravatarYawn... Morning, and shit.


Gravatar Ruth: JP, I may need a photoshop job for birdblogging, am working on it. Birds they be funny sorts, sometimes. too bad I already did Lame Duck day.

I am up to the task, I promise!

Thanks for thinking of me!
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GravatarThat was the entire list? I think Other/banned blogger would suit me better.


GravatarHow odd that a draconian War on Drugs law might wind up working for the good:

Blackwater Worldwide guards involved in the deadly 2007 Baghdad shooting of Iraqi civilians could face mandatory 30-year prison sentences under an aggressive anti-drug law being considered as the Justice Department readies indictments, people close to the case said.

Charges could be announced as early as Monday for the shooting, which left 17 civilians dead and strained U.S. relations with the fledgling Iraqi government. Prosecutors have been reviewing a draft indictment and considering manslaughter and assault charges for weeks. A team of prosecutors returned to the grand jury room Thursday and called no witnesses.

Though drugs were not involved in the Blackwater shooting, the Justice Department is pondering the use of a law, passed at the height of the nation's crack epidemic, to prosecute the guards. The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 law calls for 30-year prison terms for using machine guns to commit violent crimes of any kind, whether drug-related or not.


Gravatarit's the berets.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Yeacher


Aieeee... blue berets, the farking UN.


Gravatarrors, nice, especially since Mukasey is claiming that torture perpetrators don't need pardoning since it isn't a crime.


Gravatar"this is the U.N. International Volunteer Day."

What? Now they want civilians?


GravatarWaitaminnit -- the QUEEN has a REPRESENTATIVE? In PARLIAMENT??? IN CANADA?

Need more coffee.


GravatarJP, how 'bout a Darth vulture?


Gravatarrors, nice, especially since Mukasey is claiming that torture perpetrators don't need pardoning since it isn't a crime.
Ruth

"If the executive does it, it isn't a crime."


Gravatar"Mukasey is claiming that torture perpetrators don't need pardoning since it isn't a crime."

wow - these assholes are going to be out of office aren't they?

I am certain our grandchildren will be asking how that fucker got re elected.


Gravatar Ruth: JP, how 'bout a Darth vulture?

Darth Vader's head on a vulture body? $10. Ready in an hour or less.
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GravatarWhat? Now they want civilians?
DuaneV, Wittol


Gotta get somebody to work on hunger. that's the wages, not the problm.


GravatarJP, you awake and functional?


GravatarI am certain our grandchildren will be asking how that fucker got re elected.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Yeacher

He didn't.


GravatarSounds good, JP, but don't need it until next Thursday, so whenever you get around to it. You have my email, or should I email you at Will Photoshop?


Gravatarwow! we just lost three people!


Gravatar Barndog: JP, you awake and functional?

As functional as usual, anyway.
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Gravatar"He didn't."

oh I know that, but how was it close enough to seal? why was he tolerated?

history is not going to be kind to that idiot


Gravatarhistory is not going to be kind to that idiot
Uncle Blodge, Urban Yeacher

Or to the idiots who enabled him.


Gravatar Ruth: Sounds good, JP, but don't need it until next Thursday, so whenever you get around to it. You have my email, or should I email you at Will Photoshop?

Sure, or call.

If you have a vulture photo you wanna use (at least 400px wide x 300px high for web; much bigger for print), send that to me, too. Else I'll Google up an image for ya.
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GravatarAs functional as usual, anyway

Alright then.

Know anything about this brand of pickup? It's either this one

http://accessories.musiciansfrie...ket-? sku=300144

Or, the Fishman version:
http://accessories.musiciansfrie...ckup? sku=303112

I know Fishman makes great stuff, however I like the idea of intonation compensation on the Shadow.


GravatarI think I'll get an hour and a half of sleep in before c-span. I'm such a junkie...

See youse guys and gals later today..


GravatarAfter asking impossible to answer questions the Wapo survey ended with

Network Error (tcp_error)

A communication error occurred: ""
The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time.

For assistance, contact your network support team.


Gravatar"Or to the idiots who enabled him."

that's more my point. future generations will ask how this was allowed to happen and there is no good reason, ya know?


GravatarJP, on its way via email, a yes.

While there are some good vulture shots that FeralL took, maybe something on a roofbeam looking menacing. Best vulture sighting I ever had, no camera with me, a group of vultures on a roofbeam of an old unpainted house, with the sun rising, their wings spread out looking ready to pounce, of course they were drying their wings in the sun.


GravatarA day of student conferences, and here I am awake and not even tired. This could turn ugly.


Gravatar Barndog: I know Fishman makes great stuff, however I like the idea of intonation compensation on the Shadow.

I've always had good luck with Fishman on acoustic instruments, but the adjustable saddles makes the Shadow an intriguing pick. I'd try the Shadow, if it were me, MF have a good return policy, if you don't mind un-stringing yer fiddle in less than 30 days.
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GravatarCoffee please.


Good morning.


GravatarA day of student conferences, and here I am awake and not even tired. This could turn ugly.
rorschach, superfluous


Run, students! Run for your lives!


GravatarI dont' ask for much around here, except acknowledge.

I need helps on winger land.

anyone wanna volunteer, I'll buy ya a bottle of wine? Hee hee.


GravatarUncleBlodge, I think a lot of the whole reign of evil was caused by the evangeliable wing, trying to bring on the End or whatever. They were convinced they couldn't listen to the news, the old 'don't confuse them with the facts'. and the GoPerverts played on that, kept after the phone trees, you were only supposed to listen to what your phone contact said. really slimeballs.


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Run, students! Run for your lives!
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here | Homepage | 12.05.08 - 5:21 am | #


Cranky scary rorschach is on the loose!


GravatarV4V

We can put ads in your nym?


GravatarMF have a good return policy, if you don't mind un-stringing yer fiddle in less than 30 days

I change the strings about every 2-3 weeks of practice. When my fingers get black, they get changed. Adjustable saddle really appeals to me, being I play left handed and all.

Thanks, Bro.


GravatarOh fucking A...

Now the wingers are blaming the election on...

Diebold.


GravatarBarry, I would crash for sure if I had to load the program to get radio, this ol' lappie is on the verge.


Gravatar"UncleBlodge, I think a lot of the whole reign of evil was caused by the evangeliable wing, trying to bring on the End or whatever."

they still believe this is the "end of days"

and it's a good thing. One step closer to jeebus you know


GravatarDiebold.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 12.05.08 - 5:24 am | #


Well, everyone knows that Diebold is under the thrall of the Communist Islamofascist lobby.


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: I need helps on winger land.

What can I do for you, man? I owe ya, big time.
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Gravatar Barndog: I change the strings about every 2-3 weeks of practice. When my fingers get black, they get changed. Adjustable saddle really appeals to me, being I play left handed and all.

I imagine the whole bridge/pickup is NOT attached to the face of the fiddle, but rather held in solely by the string tension. So, the Fishman would probably be safe... just slide it back and forth, and you could get close, if not dead-on.

Still, individually-adjustable saddles... man, that's where I'd wanna be.
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Gravatarand here I am awake and not even tired.

Isn't that usual for you?


GravatarAlas, yes, it is.


GravatarMorning, kids.


GravatarMorning, ma.


GravatarI imagine the whole bridge/pickup is NOT attached to the face of the fiddle, but rather held in solely by the string tension

Yessir. And, being an arch top A model mando, it sometimes can be a bitch getting the bridge in the correct position to play up the fretboard. (I learned how to do that).

After, that is, I changed the string height (guy had it set up waaaaay to tall). Now I got it dialed into where I like playing it.

(that guy who set it up initially no longer works in my local luthier shop)


Gravatar Molly Ivors: Morning, kids.

Fire up the English Settlement.
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GravatarNeed coffee, ma?


Gravatarms f sure, and I'm quite reasonable

Has anyone seen ina of late?


GravatarIn thinking about this whole Harper thing: is it wrong that the fist ting that springs to mind is Charles and the Short Parliament?


Gravatar'morning, Molly!


Gravatar Barndog: After, that is, I changed the string height (guy had it set up waaaaay to tall). Now I got it dialed into where I like playing it.

So, you had to scootch the bridge a wee bit towards the fingerboard after lowering the action, eh?
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GravatarI have caffeine, thanks. And 15 papers to grade before 8am, but I generally do that in between talking to you fine people.


Gravataris it wrong that the fist ting that springs to mind is Charles and the Short Parliament?
Molly Ivors


Great; 5:30 in the morning and there are already *two* conversations I can't follow


GravatarOMG, you guys are speaking of words I hear too much with the violin.

Molly, how is the violin going with your son?


Gravatar V for Virginia: Has anyone seen ina of late?

I flirted with her earlier in the week.
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GravatarSo, you had to scootch the bridge a wee bit towards the fingerboard after lowering the action, eh

A little online research, and it wasn't no trouble at all. I always knew something was wrong when I played up the board and, got a higher tone register...


Gravatarms f,
He's learning to bow now. Still loves it.


GravatarBarry, I would crash for sure if I had to load the program to get radio, this ol' lappie is on the verge.
Ruth


Cancel out the radio, or I can give you a linky to hit without the bs audio.


Gravatar Barndog: A little online research, and it wasn't no trouble at all. I always knew something was wrong when I played up the board and, got a higher tone register...

The math for that shit scares me to death.
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GravatarBarry, linkie w/out radio to load would work fine.


GravatarWhat can I do for you, man? I owe ya, big time.
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Jeffraham Prestonian


You owe me nothing.

just hit ed's chat, you know where it is,..

plainsradio.com


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: just hit ed's chat, you know where it is,..

Java! How quaint!

Connecting nao...
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GravatarV4V,
Dumb luck that it sprang to mind: I'm doing Paradise Lost and had a student do a report on Milton & Cromwell on Wednesday.

Basically, Charles I tried to run England without convening Parliament from 1629-40. But since there was no Parliament, there was no budget, and so he was forced to call them into session. But when they showed up, it was with a list of grievances a mile long--primarily against the king--so he dissolved the body and sent them home again.

And had to call them back six months later.


GravatarBarry from Alaska -- Which hoodlum are you on Ed's board?
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GravatarThe math for that shit scares me to death

IT INVOLVES MATH???


ARRRRRGHHHHHHH!


GravatarOh, and did I mention that he then kept them in session for nine years straight? No wonder they tossed him out and handed the country over to the religious right.


GravatarOh, and did I mention that he then kept them in session for nine years straight? No wonder they tossed him out and handed the country over to the religious right.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 12.05.08 - 5:47 am | #


Good times were had by all.


GravatarBarry, linkie w/out radio to load would work fine. well maybe more than 2

Ruth


two step thingy.

hit http://liveharmony.com


enter with a stupid name.

then, on the command line, enter " /join #jsm1 "

that should work.


GravatarBarry from Alaska -- Which hoodlum are you on Ed's board?
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Jeffraham Prestonian



Rachel.


GravatarThanks for the edumacation, Molly.

I'm trying to take a turn but Scrabble is being weird.


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: Rachel.

Cross-chatter.
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GravatarOk m out

ttfn


Gravatarhave a good 'ern, Blodge!


GravatarEveryone doing Cromwell research?


Gravatarhey peeps


GravatarMorning peeps.

I've been sleeping in a little these days. The cat is not waking me at 4:00 a.m. for some reason.


Gravatar'morning, tri. What's the stress level this morning?


GravatarEveryone doing Cromwell research?

No, just blowing some weed, drinking coffee, and checking to see if someone makes a guitar/mandolin case (which, hold both instruments).

Either that, or I'll have my cabinetmaker bro make me one. With rollers on it, and a handle for easy transport.


GravatarBill O'Reilly should make up for his lost revenue by writing a book that's like a manual on how-to be a heartless, selfish monster. He's certainly enough of a classy, cosmopolitan brainiac to handle it.


GravatarIt's friday. I am feeling groovy.


GravatarI always remember that the English Civil War started in the "Summer of '42" because of the movie of the same name -- except it was 1642 in the case of the English Civil War.


Gravatartrifecta

Whoa, a blast from the past that I wasn't prepared for.


GravatarHey Toonscribe

How are you doing?


GravatarYay!

Barndog -- I'd join you (well, not in the mandolin/guitar case quest), but I have to work 8 whole hours today, starting at noon.

Dammit.


GravatarI just remembered about bloodwork and labs. I can't eat dammit. No coffee sucks big time.


GravatarIIRC, the Australian gov't was dissolved by Queen Elizabeth about thirty years ago. Gough Whitlam?

It's 8 lonely degrees here in Hyde Park.


GravatarBig furniture moving for us this weekend--the princess needs all of our commoner crap out of her room.


Gravatarms fahrenheit/stop the wars

I'm hangin' in there, waiting to hear back from my bank about my application to extend negotiations (or whatever the hell they call it). I'm also waiting to hear back about a job. I tried to call the guy today, but it being Hollywood, he hasn't returned my call.


GravatarI'd join you (well, not in the mandolin/guitar case quest), but I have to work 8 whole hours today, starting at noon

They make double mando,guitar, or double fiddle cases. So, I guess I needs to draw up a full size bust of it, and git it to the cabinetmaker.

We worked out 15 new songs last night, and I believe Don recorded them on his mp3 device. I'll find out today.


GravatarKeep your chin up Toons!


GravatarGood morning.


Gravatarhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...og- post_05.html

URIAH HEEP


GravatarIt's 8 lonely degrees here in Hyde Park.
David Derbes, worried | 12.05.08 - 6:13 am | #


We're holding steady at 2 here in Oshkosh.


Gravatar46 days 5 hours 45 minutes


GravatarI hope there's an aerial photo of 5 million people flipping off Marine One.


GravatarKeep your chin up Toons!

After a few hours of panic and then depression, I'm doing remarkably well. We'll just see what today brings. My main worry today is a parent/teacher conference at my daughter's school. She's been having some problems with her schoolwork, but Mrs Toons and I have been coaching her and she seems to finally be getting it. She's incredibly smart, but gets distracted easily and hasn't really learned how to figure out a problem if she doesn't get it at the first glance.


GravatarI hope there's an aerial photo of 5 million people flipping off Marine One

I will be joining them. After, of course, saluting the Marines onboard...


Gravatarhaloscan is being weird, for a change.


GravatarMaybe I should start a facebook group: Flip the bird on 1/20/09!


Gravatartoons, guess you've heard all the good wishes, but sending you some more.


GravatarEveryone doing Cromwell research?

Warts and all?


GravatarToons -- didn't know you were up against it. Hope that works out for you, seriously. Don't give up -- I'm sure if you can find a human they'd rather work with you than own your house.


GravatarThanks, Ruth. Talking with the people here is one of the things that got me out of my depression yesterday. Good vibes.


GravatarWell, I played with Barry's buddies until they booted the both of us.
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GravatarToons,
I had a conference like that on Wednesday: the boy had massive writer's block and his teacher and I devised a way to get him to write utilizing rewards and such. Then yesterday, he pulled together a project he's been putting off for two weeks in a couple of hours.

The bribe: he gets to watch an hour of whatever he wants on TV every day he does his work. And I get an email from the teacher confirming it.


GravatarGood morning, all


GravatarJP, thanks.


GravatarAnd FSM bless Noam Sane for being my first customer!
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Gravatar'morning, Gromit! All packed?


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: JP, thanks.

Thin-skinned fuckers, aren't they?
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GravatarYep, you get boooted too?


GravatarI'm back in 2wice.


GravatarJP I sent a note to my friend wrt to that other idea. I'll keep you posted.

The way you did the image is gorgeous, except it looks too much like me


Gravatar'morning, Gromit! All packed?

Pretty much. I still have a load of laundry to do after Ms Sleepyhead gets mobilized.


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: Yep, you get boooted too?

About 90 seconds after you... after I said, "So this is how you deal with dissent?"


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GravatarA National Flip The Bird Moment upon Bush's departure sounds good to me.


Gravatar V for Virginia: The way you did the image is gorgeous, except it looks too much like me

Aw, now... ain't that the point? Elsewise, I could do one for ya that starts with a photo of Summer Glau!
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GravatarV for V - The nice woman at my bank was encouraging, and if the job writing a live action script for this guy I've worked with before (kind of a cryptic way of saying, but don't want to identify him too clearly) then things should sort themselves out. That's the hell of Hollywood -- you're always just one job from poverty to relative affluence and vice versa. My problems today really stem from winter before last, when the show I was story editing for Mattel was suddenly put on hiatus around the time they found lead paint from China in their toys. Earnings from that gig crashed from an anticipated $100,000 to $10,000. Puts a dent in the budget.


GravatarJP, we just got called child molestors.


GravatarGood vibes to Toons.

Even the down sides are worthwhile, I think. At least, that's how I spin a lifetime of down sides into something positive.


GravatarJP, I tweeted that suitcase scooter for you, but I see you already saw it.


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: JP, we just got called child molestors.

... by cowards, who won't say it "to our faces."

Fuck 'em, dood. Just fuck 'em in their blow holes.
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GravatarGood morning, peeps.


Gravatar Willendorf Venus: JP, I tweeted that suitcase scooter for you, but I see you already saw it.

I've been Twitter-averse, lately. Sorry!
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GravatarI could do one for ya that starts with a photo of Summer Glau!

Hmmmmmm, there's a thought...


GravatarFuck 'em, dood. Just fuck 'em in their blow holes

Pie hole, soup chute, cake hole... You get the idea.


GravatarOr, you could really hit the mark with "fuck 'em in their dick holsters".


Gravatar Molly Ivors: Hmmmmmm, there's a thought...

A thought that if dwelled upon, makes my pants fit funny, yeah.


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GravatarEven the down sides are worthwhile, I think. At least, that's how I spin a lifetime of down sides into something positive.

If it hadn't been for the slack toon biz, I probably would never have found Eschaton and you folks here. So that's a worthwhile thing.

Also, in the last week, I've been walking to my daughter's school and walking her home when she gets out. I've lost about five pounds. A very good thing.


Gravatar Toonscribe: Also, in the last week, I've been walking to my daughter's school and walking her home when she gets out. I've lost about five pounds. A very good thing.

On her wedding day, she'll tell you how fondly she remembers these days, man.

Carry on.
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GravatarEarnings from that gig crashed from an anticipated $100,000 to $10,000. Puts a dent in the budget.
Toonscribe


Eeeek!


GravatarI've been walking to my daughter's school and walking her home when she gets out

That's worth more than any amount of money you'll ever earn.


GravatarCoffee, or IPA to JP.


Gravatar Barndog: Coffee, or IPA to JP.

Bless yer heart. I'm still on Natural Ice.

We had a post-celebration, and I ain't done, yet.
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GravatarToons is inadvertently guilt-tripping me into walking to the store


GravatarEeeek!

That would have been nothing, if I'd had a financial cushion left. In 1997, I had over $450,000 worth of work disappear completely -- two separate gigs that crashed and burned. The difference between then and now though was that I was able to find other things to do and at least break even on living expenses in 1997. The last few years there's been precious little with which to replace lost work.


GravatarSo... do you know seven rubes?

By that, I mean, "blogger buddies who aren't Photoshop-skilled?"

Send them to me, today! Please!
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GravatarI'm still on Natural Ice

/shudders

Natty Ice. Doesn't it make you wonder what they do with all that Clydesdale piss?


GravatarThe last few years there's been precious little with which to replace lost work.
Toonscribe


Your own fault for not being born in Korea

(Oh, you don't do the art, do you?)


GravatarJP's blog has a porn warning?


Gravatar Barndog: Natty Ice. Doesn't it make you wonder what they do with all that Clydesdale piss?

I try to swallow it without it touching my tongue.
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GravatarI try to swallow it without it touching my tongue

Only real beer drinkers can do this.


Gravatar Molly Ivors: JP's blog has a porn warning?

In an abundance of caution, I rated it "adult," since there's at least one bad word in one of the graphics.

No nudity (yet).
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GravatarI did not realize how much stoat looks like Hugh Hewitt.

That's going to take some getting used to.


GravatarHugh Hewitt?
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GravatarThanks JP.


GravatarThey is total idiots there, thanks for jumping in.


GravatarJP you've got a lot of talent, bud.

I'm gonna send your site to that friend of mine who's in the biz to bookmark for future reference, too.


Gravatar Barry from Alaska: Thanks JP.

Don't thank ME... also, don't wake me, and don't spank me (please, sir).


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GravatarToons

We're with you.



Gromit

You still here? Is this a birthday present to yourself?


Gravatar V for Virginia: I'm gonna send your site to that friend of mine who's in the biz to bookmark for future reference, too.

Thank you, m'deah! You are a peach!
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GravatarYour own fault for not being born in Korea

I almost had a job last April trying to turn a Korean animation studio's really bad idea into a workable series. It would have been a thankless though lucrative task -- their original idea was totally unworkable. Unfortunately for me, they finally saw how awful the concept was and dropped the project.


GravatarThere is no possible way my kids are going to be on time today, and yet I sit here, staying out of the way. Someone could get hurt with flying hair straighteners, toast, and backpacks.


GravatarToons - judging by some of the crap I've (barely) seen, that must have sucked some serious ass


GravatarI wonder if Dick will continue to have an ambulance in his motorcade and a p.a. in attendance 24/7 after 1/20/09. If so, will we, the taxpayers, be footing the bill. You don't hear anything out of his office at all these days.


GravatarI sit here, staying out of the way. Someone could get hurt with flying hair straighteners, toast, and backpacks.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars


No reason "someone" has to be you!


Gravatar V for Virginia: Toons - judging by some of the crap I've (barely) seen, that must have sucked some serious ass

No kidding! I've seem some shit on CN's "Adult Swim" that could have been illustrated and written by George W. Bush, it was THAT bad.
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GravatarYou don't hear anything out of his office at all these days.
qlª - more lefty than you


Only 45 days left to exploit the Dark Side == can't fuck around with the public right now.


GravatarNo reason "someone" has to be you!

With me being the mom and all, they would aim some of the flying girly stuff.


Gravatar that must have sucked some serious ass

Well, it was something that concerned two hundred dinosaurs, space travel, and an addictive soft drink. Try to make that work in a way that will pass FCC regulations.


GravatarIt is very strange to go to sleep, wake up, get coffee and see my gravatar at the top if the thread.

I couldn't get back to sleep because a fleet of cement mixers has been going up and down the street since 4 a.m.

The police have been less than helpful so far.


GravatarI couldn't get back to sleep because a fleet of cement mixers has been going up and down the street since 4 a.m.

The FUCK?


GravatarGawd racy, that sounds horrible.


Gravatar

Gromit

You still here? Is this a birthday present to yourself?
ms fahrenheit


Still here. The trip is something we do every five years or so, and we save up the money for it, partly by not doing much in the way of presents for each other.


GravatarGood morning.

I've been sitting here reading comments and the thought just occurred to me that we won't be having to hear from people like Karen Hughes and Margaret Spellings pretty soon.

Of course there's always wingnut welfare but they won't be part of policy making anymore.

Fell good about yourself America!


GravatarI live in a quiet residential 'hood. Some nutfuck is pouring a McMansion slab... been going on for about 2 hours.


Gravatar racymind: I couldn't get back to sleep because a fleet of cement mixers has been going up and down the street since 4 a.m.

This is why Jeebus invented RPGs.
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Gravatar'mornin'

It occurs to me that our common insults--goat-blowing, wanking etc.--have an over-the top obscene rhetorical character, but aren't anything like calling somebody a child molester. The former are figures of fun or derision; the latter is a serious offender against the community.


GravatarYikes.

I meant feel of course.


GravatarThey say it takes a special permit to be pouring concrete at this hour.

I'd hate to be the person who issued that permit, if it does in fact exist.


Gravatarepic fail sheets


GravatarThis is why Jeebus invented RPGs.
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Jeffraham Prestonian


FJC, aks Jesus Fucking Chirst, invented rapid response teams too.

Too bad all FSM adherents here

Hee hee.


Gravatarepic fail sheets
Ruth

And just when I call everyone out


GravatarThe trip is something we do every five years or so, and we save up the money for it, partly by not doing much in the way of presents for each other.
Gromit | 12.05.08 - 7:05 am | #

Sounds wonderful! Have a great and safe time.
I will suffer withdrawals, but struggle through.

I wish you and the Dr Mrs an exciting, reinvigorating time.


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