HULK SMASH
Vote!
I hate how biased atrios is.
Impeach!
Fuck haloscan.
On dial up too!
No, Atrios, there's nothing you could do.
For the record, I only post using this name. Thanks for setting the record straight below.
Gravelmentum!
No McBush!
I think you've done a great job, Atrios. I feel uncomfortable even at sites where I mostly agree with people when things are so grievously one-sided.
Personally I don't really feel like the knowns push me strongly to either candidate. The unknowns push me a bit towards Obama, but the unknowns are unknown
That sounded almost Rumsfeldian.
I agree almost entirely with Atrios' post. I lean towards Clinton a bit myself, but not so much as to be a vociferous partisan, or to blind me to the failings of her campaign, especially of late. And Obama is growing as the campaign progresses. I do, though, become a vociferous partisan when I compare either of them to McCain, which is why I wish they'd turn their fire thataway.
Haloscan, thou suckest and blowest!
YOU MCCAIN SUPPORTING ASS!
Marshall is engaged in some fairly garden variety hackery on a regular basis. I'm disappointed Mr Black links so credulously.
From below:
It's interesting that abortion isn't more of an issue. It's just possible that the Republicans think it's a loser for them in the general election, and they're loath to bring it up. - ProfW
There's going to be another Godamned "Parental Consent" initiative on the CA ballot in June. They may not push anti-abortion stuff nationally, but it will be used state-by-state. It get's their base out.
I believe you're sincere Atrios.
I hope everyone is having a happy Dyngus Day.
posting in legendary thread
ultimately it comes down to making a decision based on very subjective judgments about largely unknowable things
This should replace "HULK SMASH" at the top of every HaloScan thread.
Thanks.
I thought you nailed it the other day when you said that HRC receives more unfair treatment, but if she was anyone other than who she is, she'd have been drummed out by now.
It's a dilemma.
'And screw all of you haters for mocking the Gravelmentum'
I can be pissed at you for not giving Gravel more of an honest push earlier on.
Seriously.
'Frankly I don't think there's anything I could really do to impact this race at the moment in a meaningful way (if there ever was), but if I did I don't think I'd choose that route to do it.'
You do seem to selectively gloss over certain subjects.
But I will not assume bias. If you say so.
I'm disappointed Mr Black links so credulously.
How sad for you.
About damn time... Feel better now?
that is how I feel most of the time.
I lean one way or the other--just dont hurt the chance for a win and dont try to predict who is more electable 8 months before the election.
It's a shame Atrios won't use the well-established criteria of choosing the candidate you could see yourself having a beer with, or the one who looks Presidential.
Nice to see you, Prof Wagstaff.
Wagstaff! Good to see you! How the hell are you? Still against it, whatever it is?
There are people who seem to think that unless I'm balancing my criticism - one post slagging Obama, one post slagging Clinton - then I'm secretly using my platform as a way of pushing one candidate over another
So? It's your blog. Piss on it.
I don't care who anyone supported at one time or another. Obama's got the nomination, so it's time for use to stop this circle-jerking and get down to business. Sen. Clinton needs to drop out, throw her full-throated endorsement behind Obama, and get us truckin' against McCain.
That sounded almost Rumsfeldian.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan
That would be the discussion of "knowable unknowns" versus "unknown unknowns."
Hey, it's Prof Wagstaff!
Must mean six more weeks of winter?
I'm with ProfWombat, though obviously not nearly as eloquent or even-tempered about it.
You do seem to selectively gloss over certain subjects.
BIOFUELS!
whoever is leading or waxing will receive (more of) the negative media treatment. it is for the good of network 23 to drag the process out as long and painfully as possible.
hopefully, they underestimate the american peeps. not that that is easy to do.
As stated previously, and on more than one occasion, I think you've done an excellent job during this contentious primary season, and just for that, I'm giving my love to you.
I tire of the wars between the campaigns. I have nothing further to add, once I reach a point at which I've said it all.
So, thanks. I ♥ you.
to a European i guess both Obama and Clinton appear centre to centre-right
which why i find it amusing that both are accused of being far left, that somehow thats like teh greatest insult
It is basically a "tastes great-less filling" type of debate. And the stakes are getting ever smaller, because to all intents and purposes Obama has already won.
Just vote and shut up already. 
It's a shame Atrios won't use the well-established criteria of choosing the candidate you could see yourself having a beer with, or the one who looks Presidential.
McCain will win the Candidate Who Can Store the Most Acorns vote.
Wagstaff! I have to admit I was thinking about you this morning, wondering where the hell you'd been. Working was my first guess.
it is for the good of network 23 to drag the process out as long and painfully as possible.
Mmm...Theora...
Dang, I wanted a blogger with Secret Insights(TM) into why my candidate sucks.
my mum and sister arrived safely in Oman, so thats a relief
i am a teeny bit jealous as my mum and sister are currently lounging on a beach there
and i'm stuck in crappy cold Britain 
Hello, all. I have survived five weeks of grand jury service this winter. I trust all are well.
And, MLB Wombat, I am still against it, whatever it is.
I can be pissed at you for not giving kucinich more of an honest push earlier on.
framed yesterday's tirade
"For the record, I only post using this name. Thanks for setting the record straight below.
pie"
I only post using my two names, this one and bugs.
The SCANDAL!!!!
No not really.
Is it 1968 yet?
The controversy over Mr Wright represents the first sincere tap the media have given Sen Obama and his campaign is collapsing over it. How could anyone seriously consider him a credible candidate in the general?
In Philadelphia, beware of Sweaty Lunks leaning first one way then the other. It's hard to stay out of their way when they're jogging.
Gravel's 2 minute, gape-jawed staring at a rock Gravelmentum?
McStain, you should heed this advice from the Bible: "Don't never cover your neighbor's wife's ass."
You are a phony Christian, like very other Repukkke.
I hope everyone is having a happy Dyngus Day.
: wags staff :
the face nut-pouch vote is this year's security mom vote.
Don't be silly, Moonbootica. Everybody knows that the perfidious Muslim menace doesn't allow women on the beach. Such things are unpossible!
Read My Mind
/killers
In case anyone is looking to be especially irritated, Hitch bravely takes on the Rev. Wright.
http://www.slate.com/id/2187277/
And to further my comment, keep on keepin' on, Atrios.
Hell...I would vote for Foamy the Squirrl before McLame.
Dang, I wanted a blogger with Secret Insights(TM) into why my candidate sucks.
He does have them, but he won't share.
He also has a secret stash of Ho-hos under the couch.
And why do I not see your registration?
his campaign is collapsing over it.
Uh, no. It isn't.
"What Am I, Stupid?"
Yes. That and more.
marshall:
"the Clinton side is at this point -- gaming out different retroactive rule changes"
If you weren't not only stupid but also a lazy shit you would looked up what Bayh said. But on top of being a stupid lazy shit you are an obamaton. Any lie that 'helps' your candidate is a sweet lie.
What Bayh said:
Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, who backs Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for president, proposed another gauge Sunday by which superdelegates might judge whether to support Mrs. Clinton or Senator Barack Obama.
He suggested that they consider the electoral votes of the states that each of them has won.
So who carried the states with the most Electoral College votes is an important factor to consider because ultimately, that’s how we choose the president of the United States,” Mr. Bayh said on CNN’s “Late Edition.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/
2...24campaign.html
Was Bayh "gaming out different retroactive rule changes"? No. Super delegates can decide however they want who to support. Bayh surprisingly suggested something favorable to his candidate. marshall being insane lied up a storm. This blogger being a stupid lazy shit copies and pastes marshall's hackery. Who needs freeperville?
Being a stupid lazy shit not able to do the most basic of critical thinking has pretty much left you no where to go but obama. I understand completely. There is no bottom to 'liberal' stupid.
I only post using my two names, this one and bugs.
Aren't you tired of being told to "fuck off, racist pig"?
I get pissed off when I think of Hillary Clinton voting for that god-damned war and then voting for that god-damned Iran resolution. And I still burn when I think about how she got up with a bunch of Republicans to co-sponsor a bill to ban burning the American flag. What could she possibly have been thinking? (wait, I think I know the answer) I think, holy shit, how can you possibly promote someone to President after they voted for Bush's war?
Then I think of Obama campaigning for Lieberman in '06 and it pisses me off to no end, and I get really, really irritated when I think of how Obama keeps talking like a Republican about the need to reform social security. And it makes me really angry to think that Obama couldn't once bring himself to vote against funding Bush's war and he's voted for the Patriot Act. And he was quite a little weasel on the Alito nomination. Plus he voted for a lawsuit reform bill that was written by corporate lobbyists. And those things really piss me off, and they make me wonder about whether he's just another DLC triangulating dipshit.
But John McCain? Oh, that fucking John McCain -- he really, really, really, really pisses me off. Clinton and Obama aren't even in his league when it comes to pissing me off. Lemme tell you about that sonofabitch John McCain .......
im assuming i can pay at the door firday night, no?
I have nothing further to add, once I reach a point at which I've said it all.
Same here. I have said my piece, and I'm entirely uninterested in angering people from here on out.
: wags staff :
NO FLIRTING!!!
Regardless of what I think of the candidates, I can readily say hillbots and obamites suck ass.
I hate what they are doing to our party--never seen such a bunch of whiny ass titty baby weasels in my life.
I guess that is the downside of so many of the rabid right discovering the sanctuary of the left. They've brought their tactics with them.
david, the gleet on your face, is it Fleisher's or Rove's?
Wagstaff: actually got the JD last month; working with a group drafting health legislation for the East African Community (Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi)...
I expect Atrios to scrupulously track every positive and negative reference made to each candidate, and to provide a statistical breakdown, which we can then each individually misinterpret to favor our own point of view.
"Marshall is engaged in some fairly garden variety hackery on a regular basis. I'm disappointed Mr Black links so credulously.
david "
TPM has cred built up from a great deal of original and/or insightful reporting they've done over the years.
The fact that they've called the Clinton campaign on a steady stream of newthink moments apparently offends you. Sorry bout that.
-The assistant to the assistant manager.
And why do I not see your registration?
Molly Ivors
There's some personal crap that might keep me in Boston. RIL threatened to have me excluded from the Very PamAtlas Passover celebration if I didn't show on Friday, so I'm working on it. At least for Friday!
OT: Attendance at a Buddhist temple in Japan has increased since the temple's pet, a two-year-old dog, has joined in the daily prayers.
Conan, a Chihuahua, sits on his hind legs, raises his paws and puts them together at the tip of his nose.
"He may be showing his thanks for treats and walks," says a priest at Jigenin temple on Okinawa island.
Priest Joei Yoshikuni would like Conan to meditate, but "it's not like we can make him cross his legs", he says.
"Basically, I am just trying to get him to sit still while I meditate," he told Associated Press news agency.
Mr Yoshikuni said it only took Conan a few days to imitate the motions of praying.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-...fic/
7310993.stm
Same here. I have said my piece, and I'm entirely uninterested in angering people from here on out.
Halfdan | 03.24.08 - 12:53 pm | #
conversely, that's one of the few pleasures i have.
"Regardless of what I think of the candidates, I can readily say hillbots and obamites suck ass.
I hate what they are doing to our party--never seen such a bunch of whiny ass titty baby weasels in my life."
What he said....
Gravatarim assuming i can pay at the door firday night, no?
I fervently hope you will.
whoever is leading or waxing will receive (more of) the negative media...
Personally, I don't wanna know if either of them is waxing. TMI.
By god, hadenough... I've seen the light, thanks to your post.
I renounce repudiate and repent for my support for Obama!
:spits on ground thrice:
:tosses dust bunny over left shoulder:
Nothing like that gentle persuasive touch, dude.
Regardless of what I think of the candidates, I can readily say hillbots and obamites suck ass.
LiberalTarian | 03.24.08 - 12:54 pm | #
A supreme intellectual, far smarter than anybody here and serenely above the fray?
Or a really annoying concern troll asshole?
YOU make the call!!!!!
Personally, I don't wanna know if either of them is waxing. TMI.
Gromit
Obama will go for the aerodynamic edge?
I have said my piece, and I'm entirely uninterested in angering people from here on out.
Fuck you! (throws punch)
(I keed! I keed!)
A supreme intellectual, far smarter than anybody here and serenely above the fray?
can't be, that seat is mine.
"Aren't you tired of being told to "fuck off, racist pig"?
pie "
The fact that you view implications of porcine personality as an insult just shows that you've been completely brain washed by the Obama supporting PR machine of the American Beef and Poultry boards.
Tool.
Personally, I don't wanna know if either of them is waxing. TMI.
Obama is secretly Brazilian.
NO FLIRTING!!!
Molly Ivors, Gravel Girl
Hey, don't make a big thing out of it!
What is Obama's position on black reparations? Anyone know and has anyone asked him?
The more I hear about candidates waxing, the more my interest wanes.
What is Obama's position on black reparations? Anyone know and has anyone asked him?
Bugs | 03.24.08 - 12:57 pm | #
go ahead, pie. i know you want to.
A supreme intellectual, far smarter than anybody here and serenely above the fray?
Or a really annoying concern troll asshole?
I love you with my whole soul.
It is hard to take a candidate seriously when they think we should consult with Ayn Rand cult member, Mr. Andrea Mitchell, about anything.
If HRC/Obama is the candidate, I'm going to kill a whole litter of adorable puppies while blowing Ron Paul.
Let it be on your heads, cultists.
wax on, wax off.
"By god, hadenough... I've seen the light, thanks to your post.
SteveLG"
Hey SteveLG welcome to planet earth. Oh wait you were just kidding. You aren't gonna give up those sweet sweet lies.
I had quite a lenghty discussion with some friends of ours who stopped by Easter sunday for dinner and conversation.
Both of them said they couldn't decide who they liked on the Dem ticket, so they were both leaning McStain.
I then told the the Cindy McStain drug story and they both went, ewwwwwwwww, I don't want HER for a first lady. So after I cleared-up the "Barack Hussein is a muslim" rumor and scolded them for watching Glenn Beck b/c he rots yer brain,...they both agreed to go visit both Hillary and Obama's websites and give them another look-over.
Sometimes it's more important to be about making a Democrat a winner, not so much a certian candidate.
Let's talk double standard. Imgagine if Rev. Jeremiah Wright was Clinton's pastor. She'd be drummed out of the race.
What is Obama's position on black reparations? Anyone know and has anyone asked him?
Bugs | 03.24.08 - 12:57 pm | #
What is your position on being gang raped in a Turkish prison?
I suspect that's a far more likely scenario....
Personally, I don't wanna know if either of them is waxing. TMI. - Gromit
The Brazilian vote is a key demographic in CA. No, Donna, I'm not talking about you.
Smells like ... vindication.
What is Obama's position on black reparations? Anyone know and has anyone asked him?
Bugs
Why don't you ask Harry Belafonte? He, if anyone, must know.
Professor Wagstaff did you hijack the Grand Jury, and go with them on a whirlwind investigative tour of the world?
I want to apologize for saying Obama didn't have have his pro-choice stance firmly stated on his website. Rootless linked to it. It's not under health or family. The last time I noted a lack Rootless linked to a speech so apparently he couldn't find it there at that time either.
It is listed under "Know the Facts" that is updated monthly. His pro-choice position is in the January archives. Pretty difficult to find unless you know where to look. So I pretty much stand by what I said earlier. Why should his position be so difficult to weed out.
bo owes me a coke! Woohoo!
What is Obama's position on black reparations? Anyone know and has anyone asked him?
Why don't you ask him or otherwise find out and get back to us if it's so fucking important to you, racist jerkburger.
You do seem to selectively gloss over certain subjects.
*
Which subjects? Curiosity gets the better of me, do tell?
steve hussein simels
Jerkoff, you don't know, now do you!
Why don't you ask Harry Belafonte? He, if anyone, must know.
SteveLG
You crack me up.
It is hard to take a candidate seriously when they think we should consult with Ayn Rand cult member, Mr. Andrea Mitchell, about anything.
cosmosis | 03.24.08 - 12:58 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Saying that is immature and irrational and inappropriate for reasons that I'll come up with eventually, but will keep to myself.
I've been confused by the shift from arguments based on facts and the acceptance of various shades of gray to the kind of debate that now rules in most places where one candidate cannot be discussed except with approval. This probably has happened in past elections, too, but I have never experienced it.
Will this all change back once the primaries are finished? Or will certain commenters remain spokespeople for their candidate forever?
Senator Clinton's prayer group would be far more troubling to me than whatever Reverend Wright is blathering about, if there were any evidence that she takes it seriously.
The statements of clergymen like Jeremiah Wright aren't controversial and incendiary; they're wicked and stupid.
By Christopher Hitchens
As an atheistic Limey, you have no right to comment on U.S. of A. preachers.
You do seem to selectively gloss over certain subjects.
*
Which subjects? Curiosity gets the better of me, do tell?
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 12:59 pm | #
the really important ones. duh.
What is Obama's position on black reparations? Anyone know and has anyone asked him?
What, you've owned blacks and now you want reparations?
Why, that's disgusting!
The fact that you view implications of porcine personality as an insult just shows that you've been completely brain washed by the Obama supporting PR machine of the American Beef and Poultry boards.
Nah, I love bacon.
Obama is secretly Brazilian.
I wonder how many covert Muslims are really secret Brazilians.
Nut turd, You don't know either, you just for Obama because you like his oratory. How sad!
What is Obama's position on black reparations? Anyone know and has anyone asked him?
If only there were a way to find out....
hadenough,
Just a tip on form, when throwing flames you really need to check you post for things like double negatives, kind of cuts your attack off at the knees.
And Bayh the lesser was being flat out silly, however you want to take his words.
[shove a coke towards Molly] :^P
Pick on an old man? Shame on ye.
Will this all change back once the primaries are finished? Or will certain commenters remain spokespeople for their candidate forever?
Echidne | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 1:00 pm | #
giuliani and mitt have both wholeheartedly endorsed mccain.
otoh, we do not have re-education camps on the left.
hmmm, now why would the va destroy these research capabilities:
By Arthur Allen 03/17/2008 | 1 Comment
Let’s say your 48-year-old husband has just been diagnosed with Legionnaire’s disease in a hospital intensive care unit. You learn that the bacteria causing this disease spread in water supplies, and you have a hot tub at home where your teen-age kids are currently splashing about. How do you find out whether the hot tub was the source of your husband’s infection?
Until recently, you sent water samples to the Special Pathogens Lab at the Veterans Administration hospital outside Pittsburgh. That’s what Lynn Winn, of Orange, Calif., did in July 2006. But she never got the results, because the VA closed down the lab without processing her samples.
Six months later, in what infectious disease specialists around the world are calling a tragic, inexplicable act of vandalism, the VA incinerated the lab’s library of 4,000 microbe cultures, including the world’s most important collection of legionella bacteria, collected over a period of nearly 30 years.
No one seems to understand the point of this deliberate destruction.
http://www.washingtonindependent...ortant-
bacteria
will certain commenters remain spokespeople for their candidate forever?
I've already called that: Obama is going to be regularly bashed as anti-woman throughout his Presidency.
Personally, I don't wanna know if either of them is waxing. TMI.
Obama is secretly Brazilian.
Molly Ivors, Gravel Girl | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 12:57 pm |
ow.
Senator Clinton's prayer group would be far more troubling to me than whatever Reverend Wright is blathering about
That Ehrenreich piece freaked me right the hell out.
Okay. Nuff aready. Anybody else talks to the bug, I get all Quentin Tarantino on their ass.
Nut turd, You don't know either, you just for Obama because you like his oratory. How sad!
Dude, I voted for Kucinich.
Jerkoff, you don't know, now do you!
Know what, Little Karl?
But what is Obama's position on Harry Belafonte?
For that matter, what does he think of Al Sharpton's conduct in the Tawana Brawley matter?
I'm worried, people...
shit i forgot about the prayer group. fuck. need more info on that we do.
I wonder how many covert Muslims are really secret Brazilians.
Well, Argentina and Paraguay were taken.
I've already called that: Obama is going to be regularly bashed as anti-woman throughout his Presidency.
Stunt Hussein Woman | 03.24.08 - 1:02 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Hey, did you ever see "Jeanne Eagels"? Watched it last night and was astounded.
Nut turd, Can you spell out what is so unique about Obama and why you are supporting him? Take your time.
why don't they just line us all up by skin tone and gender and do a head count?
Nut turd, Can you spell out what is so unique about Obama and why you are supporting him? Take your time.
Can you read?
Fucking Arios hasn't had one good thing to say about Gus Hall. I'm sick of this bias!
I've already called that: Obama is going to be regularly bashed as anti-woman throughout his Presidency.
Stunt Woman, I think you gave an example of the other thing I mentioned in my comment.
"Can you spell out what is so unique about Obama and why you are supporting him? Take your time."
He has big ears...big ears are so hot
What is Obama's position on black reparations? Anyone know and has anyone asked him?
Bugs | 03.24.08 - 12:57 pm | #
Yeah, he wants to give every black person 40 acres and a mule...
Bugsy, let me ask you a serious question? What are you going to do if Barack wins the nomination?
Nut turd, Can you spell out what is so unique about Obama and why you are supporting him? Take your time.
Bugs | 03.24.08 - 1:03 pm | #
back to talking point #423 i see.
answer: nothing. there are millions of people more qualified to be pres than mccain.
That Ehrenreich piece freaked me right the hell out.
Molly Ivors
===============
You're right. That was an incredibly deceitful article. Ehrenreich is supposed to be on our side?
Oh, please. Like Obama hasn't attacked Clinton's integrity and electability (accurately!, they say), so to use your logic, making it harder for her to win the general.
Nut turd, So your NOT a Obama supporter?
will certain commenters remain spokespeople for their candidate forever?
Ahem.
"hadenough,
Just a tip on form, when throwing flames you really need to check you post for things like double negatives, kind of cuts your attack off at the knees.
And Bayh the lesser was being flat out silly, however you want to take his words.
Windowdog"
I need new editors. I really do. Meanwhile whatdaya think of marshall's out right hackery. Not just todays but the total obama lie-a-thon he has been engaged in for months? Any thoughts on that. Any thoughts at all?
"I've been confused by the shift from arguments based on facts and the acceptance of various shades of gray to the kind of debate that now rules in most places where one candidate cannot be discussed except with approval. This probably has happened in past elections, too, but I have never experienced it."
Echidne, I love your writing most times. But I've read this paragraph five times and I have no idea what the fuck it means. It's like it has all the words to be a statement, but the meaning go out for a latte halfway through.
Anyways you clearly are biased towards Hillary due to your... ummm... condition.
/duck and cover
euphronius,
Barbara Ehrenreich. HuffPo. Maybe Friday or Saturday?
Six months later, in what infectious disease specialists around the world are calling a tragic, inexplicable act of vandalism, the VA incinerated the lab’s library of 4,000 microbe cultures, including the world’s most important collection of legionella bacteria, collected over a period of nearly 30 years.
And don't forget the 18 Dead Microbiologists!
A few minutes' googling would lead to information about the Rev. Moon that would dwarf a rational actor's concerns about Pastor Wright.
Can you spell out what is so unique about Obama and why you are supporting him?
little karl, can you post something besides the same 5 posts you post?
You're a tedious little mutant.
Wombat, congratulations. The work sounds interesting and it certainly must beat reading clients' names in the newspaper.
Doug, would that I could. Dispiriting street crime, without exception. The cops aren't much smarter than the perps and the AUSAs are far less impressive than I expected from the DoJ.
Do we have a new cast of trolls?
euphronius,
Barbara Ehrenreich. HuffPo. Maybe Friday or Saturday?
Molly Ivors, Gravel Girl | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 1:05 pm | #
there are other blogs besides this one? waaaa?
bugs, how much money have you contributed to the mccain campaign so far? or is it just sweat (ew!) equity?
Fucking Arios hasn't had one good thing to say about Gus Hall. I'm sick of this bias!
Thers | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 1:03 pm | #
Not to mention Eugene Debs!
What are you going to do if Barack wins the nomination?
Soil his fluffy tail.
Nut turd, So your NOT a Obama supporter?
So you're NOT literate?