I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
aha!
from below:
Part of it reminds me of a low-grade Moliere's Misanthrope. Why is this person behaving this way? Let's convict and jail them for that trait! It's phrenology upgraded to NYC TV actors.
oops, that refers to Law and Order episodes.
Frank Rich wonders why Repukes get to play the preacher and race cards
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/0...ion/
04rich.html
Am I the first to say: Obama-Guama?
Frank Rich wonders why Repukes get to play the preacher and race cards
Two reasons:
1. Complicit media.
2. Complicit media.
MANDATE!!
Barack Aguama!
Baaah!
Evening, all
Two reasons:
1. Complicit media.
2. Complicit media.
You left out the third reason:
3. Media totally controlled by fascist asswipes.
Good wine is political. Here's Neal Rosenthal on the cult of the winemaker:
But, when this process becomes the centerpiece of the production and is elevated above the nature of the individual wine we enter a dangerous zone, a place where nature begins to be denied.
Unfortunately, many of the same influences that set the stage for this wonderful renaissance in wine have produced conditions that work to eliminate the nuances of terroir. The confluence of money, media, and technology has had a "Jekyll & Hyde-like" effect. For all its good, we now witness the evil side of this team. The producers seek the imprimatur of the omnipresent media and use the improved technology to guarantee results in order to gain the favor of the marketplace. If the mood of the moment requires immensity then temperatures will be manipulated to maximize extract, flavors and fragrances will be imported from outside sources, and, in place of terroir, we have cartoon wine: exaggerated, special-effects creatures that have all the elements of wine except a soul.
Thus, when equipment is fabricated that allows for better temperature control in the cellars, or a pneumatic press is manufactured that permits the extraction of the finest juice possible from the grape, or a winery replaces equipment (including barrels) that no longer functions as it should, we should applaud that effort and investment because the result will be a wine that is even more expressive of its essence. But, when those tools are used to exaggerate qualities or transform the structure of a wine to meet some perceived market demand or a journalist's idea of what perfection is, we have lost perspective. An overwhelming percentage of wine made today refers only to where it wants to be not from where it comes.
Do they drink lattes in Guam? Cos if so it doesn't count. But who woulda thunk that any attention would be paid to votes cast by a few thousand villagers in the South Pacific?
well crap. i felt a nice post downstairs for fuck it, let's drink.
Frank Rich wonders why Repukes get to play the preacher and race cards
House rules...
But the real question is, "How did Mike Gravel do?"
Another insignificant island heard from...
Deadthreaded:
I think thirty bucks is a TON to drop on a bottle of wine,
Well, for me, I'll spend 30; for company, I'll spend 30 to 40. Tomorrow, on the screen porch, the pink roses just starting to bloom among the purple violets, black arisimea filling the woodland garden, the ceiling fan spinning v slow, cheese almost runny it's so soft, Le Sacre du Printemps on the stereo, lilacs and honeysuckle on the warm air, I'm happy to go up near 40 for good French wine.
Oguama?
Hulk, do you have gout? I a good friend of mine described exactly your symptoms, that is what he said.
The vodka produced near me is Dripping Springs...I can also get Tito's handmade. We also have the Real Ale brewery close by.
http://www.realalebrewing.com It is curiously strong beer.
ya have to watch it with that stuff.
Hecate, I'm coming to your house.
Night of the Oguama?
Guam is full of BROWN tree snakes.
'nuff said.
i felt a nice post downstairs for fuck it, let's drink.
~pours the v good stuff for cd
But, when those tools are used to exaggerate qualities or transform the structure of a wine to meet some perceived market demand or a journalist's idea of what perfection is, we have lost perspective.
thank your for making my point better and with more precision than i've been able to do. zactly.
CoT, I wondered this morning if the brown tree snakes vote.
God damn brown tree snakes!!
[shakes fist]
If Florida has scheduled their primary for May they could have been kingmakers.
Instead it's
Guam: 4
Florida: 0
I wanna sleep on Hecate's porch. It sounds lovely
A,
I heard David Gregory say today that Clinton can take a punch and Obama can't, Obama had no idea the cartoon that the Pukes had been drawing of him. I think we'll be hearing that for a while. He also insisted that the press just covers stories when they reach a "critical mass" as if the press had nothing to do with that.
BROOKS BROTHERS RIOT, MOTHERFUCKERS!
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l swear to chuy that was "left" and not "felt," kufc my dyxsiale anyway, itdamn.
CoT, I wondered this morning if the brown tree snakes vote.
Sallyh
Ever seen a brown tree snake bowl? You know who they support.
I wanna sleep on Hecate's porch.
C'mon over! My favorite room in the whole house.
QUEEN OF HEARTS! Go to it big boy!
People are saying David Gregory fucks goats.
I wonder how he responds to this growing scandal.
Speaking of "good stuff", I ain't drinking it now. Something called Aristocrat vodka. Oh well...it gets the job done.
well crap. i felt a nice post downstairs for fuck it, let's drink.
chicago dyke
I saw it (left a threadkiller myself, probably just as well) and would yell "You get outta my HAIIID" were it not that there's this niche that your thoughts fill so perfectly.
mail not seen....is your gmail still the same? The MM one?
I'm coming to your house.
C'mon over! The more the merrier.
Phliars?
Sick my duck!!
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
My seekrit projekt is ongoing...
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If Florida has scheduled their primary for May they could have been kingmakers.
Instead it's
Guam: 4
Florida: 0
Heh.
thank your for making my point better and with more precision than i've been able to do. zactly.
chicago dyke
That's Neal Rosenthal, not me (if you've ever seen Mondovino, he's one of the heroes). Whenever the regional Rosenthal guy stops by I drop whatever I'm doing to try whatever he brought.
I got that passage from "The Concept of Terroir" at their wonderful website at www.madrose.com The flash-player version is trippy as anything, but I cut and pasted from the html. It's wine geek paradise.
Rosenthal also has a brand-new book out called "Reflections of a Wine Merchant" which should be a must-read.
C'mon over! My favorite room in the whole house.
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I promise I will and I won't shed on the rug 
Help cure daily sex
Guam is the Repukes' "Heart of Darkness", where Jack Abramoff bribed Tom Delay to look the other way while crooks in the Marianas ran sex slavery and forced abortions.
The Repukes even got rid of a pesky US Attorney for the Marianas to keep the sweatshops and sex shops running.
He also insisted that the press just covers stories when they reach a "critical mass" as if the press had nothing to do with that.
Eggzackly. Does our nukular physicist friend explain to us peasants just how a news story reaches "critical mass"?
Didn't think so. Critical mass translated means "Gregory and his fellow media eunuchs talk about it a lot in the Green Room".
Serious question:
My mom has been invited to her b.friend from high school's 50th wedding anniversary. It will be held in June at Churchill Downs in the Aristides Room.
She wonders what the hell to wear to such an event. Any idea?
Brown snakes are non native and invasive, right? They squick me out, I don't mind saying. Give the local electric company fits.
Jeffraham, wonderful!
How are you and da boys?
Guam is the Repukes' "Heart of Darkness",
"The horror! The horror!"
People are saying David Gregory fucks goats.
I wonder how he responds to this growing scandal.
AAR has ruined Rachel Maddow's radio show by simulcasting this asshole's political Gong Show for the first hour.
But, when those tools are used to exaggerate qualities or transform the structure of a wine to meet some perceived market demand or a journalist's idea of what perfection is, we have lost perspective
Sounds like "anything worth doing is worth overdoing" except applied to wine and, well, overdone.
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I knew it was them immigant brown snaxe.
Hecate, brown tree snakes aren't indigenous to Guam. You're correct.
Sallyh: How are you and da boys?
Fine, furry and without a worry.
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She wonders what the hell to wear to such an event. Any idea?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.03.08 - 9:51 pm | #
something in jewel tones...scarlet, fuscia, sapphire, or black silk.
People are saying David Gregory fucks goats.
Not quite.
It should be "some people are saying David Gregory fucks goats."
From below:
let go of economic ideology. force and create a new model. start at home. make "them" offer us (if we must be 'capitalists') the actually cheaper options at a fair price. or burn them out of their mccmansions. your choice.
chicago dyke
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Except how do you reverse nearly 30yrs of Neoliberal economics that forces debt-ridden nations like Haiti who've been historically self-reliant, to stop growing their own food in order to import it from the very nations that control their level of debt?
By electing people who promise to continue this economic rape and pillage? While Barack or Hill or McCane pick their cabinet, more Haitians riot and die of starvation.
IMF, World Bank, Democrat, Repub, liberal, conservative, all committed to the same neolib doctrine.
The elites reveal their hatred of democracy by their very words. How many times have you heard, "democratic AND free market" to describe this system? Why "AND?" It either is or it isn't a democracy, right?
Okay, I better go practice guitar for at least a minute or two before I fall asleep.
Good night. Sweet dreams.
I think I once said that I didn't think that Elias was econ102.
I was wrong. I apologize.
Sounds like "anything worth doing is worth overdoing" except applied to wine and, well, overdone.
Xan
Just so. And with wine, as with almost anything, "overdoing" things is usually a pretty sound marketing practice.
brown tree snakes aren't indigenous to Guam
Lemme guess. They proliferated on Guam because they had no natural enemies.
Sorta like bunny wabbits Down Under.
Only not so cute.
Alright, who's got some LSD handy?
I just bought this album. Who knew that Brooklyn had bands?
I think I once said that I didn't think that Elias was econ102.
I was wrong. I apologize.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
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I honestly didn't notice, but thank you anyway and I accept.
I suppose the Hillary camp's spin will be all about how Obama can't win the big Guamanian villages.
She wonders what the hell to wear to such an event. Any idea?
My guess is semi-formal, just as if she was going to a wedding with the reception at the Churchill Downs. When in doubt, call and ask.
Illegal immigrants.
You know who they support.
a victory given by the working class to Dear Obama!
Onward to more and better victories.
I was just a bit annoyed by reading Adrianne Huffington today at FDL.
I was trying to figure out way. I think it is because of the fawning over her. Am I jealous? I just got back from Iron man and I thought. "I want to be a multibillionaire genius industrialist!"
I'm so petty.
Apparently Obama's made little headway with the all-important Micronesian blue collar vote.
Anyone who sounds like Zsa Zsa Gabor earns my instant respect.
I'm so petty.
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05.03.08 - 9:59 pm | #
we love you the way you are.
Spocko
I find many things annoying but then like you I like to self examine and pause and say, "eh, she's a good egg."
I misread that. I thought you apologized for thinking that I WAS econwhatever. I'm not econ... and I'm not Jeremiah whatever.
I'm not a fraud. I am who I say I am. I tell you what I think.
Oy.
I guess that didn't come out right.
Nevermind.
Buenas noches.
I feel petty oh so petty
I feel petty and witty and gay?
It's a pity that everybody cannot feel this way. . . .
Spocko
Guam Obama voters: Parrot fish eating elitists!
a woman in a black dress can be a beautiful thing.
I am actually devoid of ideas at this moment. Sort of full of whimsy and that is not a terrible thing for a Saturday night.
Frank Rich is right, of course. Frank Rich is right except when he is not. He bats about five hundred and has no memory of when he is wrong - anybody remember that talk show guy. . . what's his name? Don something? 
I Am Willing by Holly Near
Makes me ok everytime.
xan, via the realname hawtmale account. no rush, i'm yours all day 'morrow.
Elias: i'm not wholly sober at this point, and so i'm going to tell you what's been on my mind about you for a while now. you remind me of other passing semiregulars here. i like you. i agree with you often. i'll even defend your presentation and defense of important ideas, of which you seem to have many, or with which you speak when you reference others. i'm also extremely tolerant, and unconcerned with "blog popularity." like, not at all. anyway, you can still be a Major Asshole. like me! the diff is that you have managed to fail to make a lot of friends here, and from what i can tell, some folks here that i know are actually sort of invested in me (and others) as a person. so here's my question: are you here to piss people off? or do you care about The Cause? if it's the latter, as a pro, phd type educator, i'm here to tell you: you're failing.
telling people they are stupid and dense is a privilige around here. it's gained unfairly, and according to All the Wrong Standards. blogging is like life; you can be the Smartest, Prettiest, Best Dancer with the Most Money, and people still won't like or listen to you, if you don't massage the mojo. i wish i could be more specific, but it seems to me you lack that latter part.
i respect the ideas you present and endorse. i don't mean this in a personal or mean spirited way. i would say the same to anyone, well known or otherwise. learn some social graces, friend. you can, i'm sure. you're obviously well informed and bright. but i'm not here so often anymore, and i have to take the opinion of 00s of folks i do know well, and respect, as they slog this blog with nasty comments about you; it can't be for no reason. try not to attack people, stick to attacking the wrong and weak elements to their ideas. and be friendly, and happy, at least sometimes. you'll get laid more too. i hope this isn't too much for you, but as i said, i'd say it to anyone, including those i dislike as well as almost love. you could be either. it's up to you, if that matters, and i don't mind or care if it doesn't. we're still "free" enough here for me to enjoy that flexibility. /smoke break time/
See what happens when you engage in the troll paradigm?
My seekrit projekt is ongoing...
Nothing that green can long remain a secret...
for the record... the 'state' of florida, ruled by a repub gov. and repub legislature, moved the primary date up. even if all the dems there had voted against it, it still would've carried.
all the talk about how the dem. primary system is all messed up and that the dems are somehow responsible for their own plight, (due only to the very close race) is a lie.
south dakota moved their primary way up to the week of iowa's a few years ago thinking only of the attention it would bring to the state. they then moved it back to the traditional tuesday following the second monday of june cuz...
A. we don't usually matter.
2. we have our statewide primaries in june and it costs a lot more money to have 2 primaries.
d. i can't remember the rest.
try to imagine that this year our twenty some nothing delegates putting one of them over the top in june.
weird...
I tell you what I think.
Then leave.
We deal in deceit, hypocrisy and dissimulation. It is our standard bill o' fare. Our bread n' butter, so to speak.
econ102 is probably still working on the research for his theory mass transit caused the collapse of previous civilizations... with any luck, he's currently sifting through the ruins of Atlantis....
Honest to god, they really and truly haven't got a fucking clue, do they?
George W. Bush has made the world a more hopeful place.
This from Vice President Dick Cheney, who spoke to a crowd of Oklahoma Republicans Friday evening.
"When the history is written, it will be said this is a safer country and more hopeful world because George Bush was president," Cheney said, according to Oklahoma's Tulsa World.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/
Ch...ly_on_0503.html
Frank Rich is right, but no one in pundit world will ever mention it. Just like the one day longshoreman strike on the west coast on Thursday to protest the Iraq war. As far as the media's concerned, it never happened.
/lighting up and walking away/
sorry, Elias, i still can't type or spell. i hope that made sense.
My last post wasn't for you, ChiDyke.
ˇAlbatross!
Brand Spanky New Integritude.
Okay, I'm watching Narnia. First time, and I never read the book--okay I'm illiterate.
Peter is the younger son. From the beginning he succumbs to fear, and he accepts authority and sucks up to it, and betrays family and doesn't recognize it. He's a republican.
And then the actual dialog says "Peter betrayed us". Then I'm off to bible-land, remembering the crock crows three times from Presby church f*y years ago. Is that obvious to everyone else? What else have I missed?
OMG, i wish chidyke had that much to say to me.
jeeze chi, i was just going to say people give him too hard of a time.
Elias is likable enough.
mass transit caused the collapse of previous civilizations
Actually it did.
The Roman road system is a case in point, as are all the roads the Incas built.
helena handbasket
Lion = Christ figure.
C.S. Lewis was a muslim.
Not everyone knows that.
I just stop in to say hello to my pals, and ignore most of the other shit goin' on here, these days. It's so much easier that way!
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Congrats, Elias. You've gotten a whole thread about you. I suspect that's what you've wanted all along.
Jeffraham, killfile is one of my best friends
helena handbasket
Lion = Christ figure.
Witch=Evil powerful woman. But you knew that.
4071
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...eXiFnDljppvaA8F
Recount, plus 500 "spoiled" ballots need to be re-examined.
Perez revealed she is also looking into the missing ballots.
More than 8,100 were printed in response to reports of shortages at precinct sites. But when the final tally came in, only a little over 4,500 ballots were used.
Ought to be very interesting.
Obama's spreadsheet had Guam predicted to be Obama 55% to Clinton 44%.
http://pacificnewscenter.com/def...scenter&
he=.com
The Lion the Witch and the Locker
(from Adult swim) pretty funny.
http://www.adultswim.com/video/?
...116b1a659d90150
Just like the one day longshoreman strike on the west coast on Thursday to protest the Iraq war. As far as the media's concerned, it never happened
Yep. The first plainly political strike this country's had probably since the 1930s.
Huh? Wha?
And then the actual dialog says "Peter betrayed us". Then I'm off to bible-land, remembering the crock crows three times from Presby church f*y years ago. Is that obvious to everyone else? What else have I missed?
helena handbasket
The truth is that the Christianity in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is unmistakable and ham-handed. When I read the books I thought I was reading a child's version of CS Lewis (and, I was!)
It is not subtle, that is for sure. Not written all that well either for that matter.
Sallyh: Jeffraham, killfile is one of my best friends
I haven't actually used it in a while, since it's been a while since I tried to keep a multi-thread, multi-hour convo going here.
I had an odd dream when I had my nap, today, btw.
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Yep. The first plainly political strike this country's had probably since the 1930s.
Huh? Wha?
Actually, the US Postal Service workers wildcatted in the early 70s in protest of the Vietnam War, IIRC.
I had an odd dream when I had my nap, today, btw.
Tell usss about your dreamsss.
When you control the mail you control .........information!!!!!
Eight Belles went down because of drugs.
Can our country take yet another Hope failing to finish strong?
Chi, with all due respect, I came here with nothing but good intentions and got attacked for absolutely no other reason than I took a position. I got nothing but cheap shots, then decided to throw some elbows back.
Are you sure that's not what you're seeing? I know you're too smart to be an NBA ref. 
Hey, I'm all for the golden rule, but where I come from, it's a 2way street. You treat me like shit, I throw it back twice as heavy. Where I come from, that's how you gain respect.
As far as the Core Group is concerned, its seems like they think this is a gated community, not grand central station. You don't seem to be one who'd live in a gated community either.
I really dig you. I agree with most of what you say too. Funny. We'd prob be friends in real life. But I bring here what I bring to the table in the "real" world: Elitism sucks.
the US Postal Service workers wildcatted in the early 70s in protest of the Vietnam War,
To my recollection those strikes were about money.
But--in the words of Tim Nelson--I could be wrong.
Never mind, I was wrong. They struck because of the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970.
BTW, I really liked Iron Man. I would have like a bit more for Paltrow from the writers, but she wasn't totally wasted.
I did like some of the issues it raises, plus, men flying, so you have that.
I also loved the Rocketeer. I like Spiderman and Superman.
Hmmm, I like super hero movies where they have secret identities. I wonder why?
(Although I'm more in the mode of Spiderman living in a apt than Iron Man living in mansion in California.)
C.S. Lewis was a muslim.
Not everyone knows that.
Culture Of Truth
WTF? Source?
Out of the Silent Planet and Perelandra are the only CS Lewis works worth reading.
Isn't Peter the older brother? And Edmund the younger one who initially betrayed his family and the faun?
thanks charley.
Just like the one day longshoreman strike on the west coast on Thursday to protest the Iraq war. As far as the media's concerned, it never happened.
TheOtherWA
Which is a marked change from the '50s, when a strike by Cork Sockers Local 3 in East McKeefsport was national news...
There was voting today?
Hunh......
Assrocket
Not so much the 2 1/2 hour delay out of LaGuardia as the fact that I was forced to listen to CNN blaring at the gate. CNN has gone completely around the bend; the entire 2 1/2 hours were devoted to hysterical Republican-bashing. It's hard to say who was worse, Jack McCaffrey, CNN's Keith Olbermann, or the formerly-sober Wolf Blitzer, now drunk on liberal triumphalism ...
After a half hour or so of McCaffrey hysteria, Wolf Blitzer did a fawning interview of Arianna Huffington. I was starting to wonder whether they ever allow a Republican on CNN, when, wouldn't you know it, they finally had one on. Ron Paul, who said he hadn't decided yet whether he's voting for Barack Obama.
Liberals sometimes complain about Fox News, but I suspect that's mostly because they don't watch it. Fox tilts a bit to the right, but compared to CNN, which has careened wildly off to the left, it is straight down the middle. If I had had a rock close at hand, my fellow passengers might have been liberated from the necessity of suffering liberal propaganda along with their flight delay.
WTF? Source?
DWD - Let it end now
Fox News.
Wiki on the strike.
It was still a wildcat, but for other reasons. Though, didn't faculty at various higher-ed institutions strike because of the war?
Chi, with all due respect, I came here with nothing but good intentions and got attacked for absolutely no other reason than I took a position.
No. That isn't how things got the way they are.
You should print a copy of what ChiDyke wrote and look at it real carefully. The whole thing, not just the compliments.
Hello Jeffraham!
I've been lurking w/the popcorn as I save files. Old Bessie is agoin' down.
George W. Bush has made the world a more hopeful place.
Too bad it took him more than 7 years to do it
WTF? Source?
This is CoT. He doesn't need no steenkin sources
And then the actual dialog says "Peter betrayed us". Then I'm off to bible-land, remembering the crock crows three times from Presby church f*y years ago. Is that obvious to everyone else? What else have I missed?
helena handbasket
it's a biblical allegory thru and thru.
i've met many people who were avid fans who did not realize this.
i like the republican take tho. they are all f'n traitors.
As far as the Core Group is concerned, its seems like they think this is a gated community, not grand central station. You don't seem to be one who'd live in a gated community either.
All are welcome here!!!!!!
[climbs on table and loses control of bowel functions]
JAEGERMEISTER!!!!!!!
Just like the one day longshoreman strike on the west coast on Thursday to protest the Iraq war. As far as the media's concerned, it never happened
Got a lotta play out here.
I shoot my puff-bang in CS Lewis' honor...
About that ad. You know the one that says "Meet Single Arabs Online".
Oh I forgot the "!"
George W. Bush has made the world a more hopeful place.
Yeah, we're finally hopeful that fucker is leaving office and won't be able to damage the world any more.
Fox News.
Culture Of Truth
Okay.
I had in my memory files he was a professor at one of the colleges at Oxford in the area of religion specializing in Christianity. A contemporary of both JRR Tolkein (Classics and mythology with a specialty in Norse and Norther European) and CS Lewis.
But I am old and could be wrong.
You should print a copy of what ChiDyke wrote and look at it real carefully. The whole thing, not just the compliments.
SteveLG
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Excuse me Steve, but unless you're willing to go back in the archives and look at every exchange I've been involved in, you have no grounds to judge me.
JAEGERMEISTER!!!!!!!
Stunt Woman | 05.03.08 - 10:18 pm |
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I'll second that. JAEGERMEISTER! But with no gold flecks please.
Lord, chicago dyke. I just now read your 10:03 to Elias. I gotta say, woman, you read my mind. Also, all or most y'all here really are often real to me. Real.
But then I heard about Vonnegut warning against investing in "ghosts on the internet" or something like that. Maybe he was lucky enough to not crave community, maybee he had lots of social companions and good conversations. I bet a lot of people don't, and I'm not saying people you talk to in real time on the internet are losers and pervs.
Although I just don't understand trolls. (Actually I kind of do, in a weird way. The odd impulse will come up when I'm say, washing dishes, to say to the internet world "I'm the king of Romania and I laid an egg!") But I wouldn't do that any more than I'd fart in church if I went to church.
There are of course protocols of etiquette and common courtesy. Personality still reveals itself in all of us. Isn't it amazing that the ability to think in visual language and to physically transcribe it with fingers is amplified so much by computers and internet, whatever that is?
Think about that.
CNN's Keith Olbermann
He changed jobs?
Congrats, Elias. You've gotten a whole thread about you. I suspect that's what you've wanted all along.
Yeah, well he is doing important research, bless his heart.
Wow...so insulting people time and time again isn't sufficient reason to "judge" someone? Interesting.
C.S. Lewis wrote "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" as a metaphor for Elias' endless suffering.
Out of the Silent Planet and Perelandra are the only CS Lewis works worth reading.
I like them, as well as That Hideous Strength, although they're all horribly sexist. Lewis was at least thinking seriously about his xianity, and not just mouthing what he'd been told. Definitely a product of his time, but, aren't we all.
I wish Elias would stop being such a lugubrious shlump.
He needs more irony in his diet.
About that ad. You know the one that says "Meet Single Arabs Online".
Oh I forgot the "!"
EkCenTriK
Atrios is a terra'ist lover.
Flory! How long are you home for?
Got a lotta play out here.
flory | 05.03.08 - 10:18 pm
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Of course on K S F O they believe that the longshoremen were commies striking.
We are the pfifltriggi of the Internets!!!!!!
ErinPDX: Hello Jeffraham!
I've been lurking w/the popcorn as I save files. Old Bessie is agoin' down.
Aw, dang. Sounds serious!
You need a consultant?
Btw, big ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ for wrapping the project. My loan shark is mucho happy!
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Yep. The first plainly political strike this country's had probably since the 1930s.
Huh? Wha?
Actually, the US Postal Service workers wildcatted in the early 70s in protest of the Vietnam War, IIRC.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas | Homepage | 05.03.08 - 10:13 pm | #
although i don't recall the coverage of the other strike, to me you're both correct... but i think the point trying to be made is that msm didn't cover this one at all as it would show the true discontent and upset the status quo. and we can't fucking have that.
msm is complicit and they know it...
Excuse me Steve, but unless you're willing to go back in the archives and look at every exchange I've been involved in, you have no grounds to judge me.
EliasX
I have tried several times and you won't listen. You want people to respect you when you refuse to respect them.
I don't get it. You say you are not a troll and then act like one. You say you want to learn and listen and then refuse to do either.
You complain that people don't respect you and then you disrespect people.
WTF? Just relax and stop being so contrary.
Peter is the younger son
Edmund is the younger brother who betrays them.
But what if you are the King of Rumania and you did lay an egg??
CNN's Keith Olbermann
He changed jobs?
flory | 05.03.08 - 10:21 pm
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Yeah I noticed that too. Well what do you expect from Time's blog of the year.
I would have liked it if he did have a rock in his pocket and threw it at the TV. "Conservative Tool uses Rock."
Why don't you try somewhere you might feel appreciated for all that you do for us?
~~~~~~~~
OK, time to fess up.
I'm really doing post grad work. I'm studying the group mentality of online communities. I'm looking specifically at the patterns of acceptance and tolerance for views that differ from the shared assumptions. I'm supposed to provoke and through that, determine how soon the core group of "regulars" acts to expel any new potential "threat," EVEN if the new "threat" exhibits signs of conformity.
There's a concentric circle pattern with the core clique being the center, followed by a radiating level of "circles of acceptance".
Elias: X
ErinPDX -- Did you see my next hare-brained scheme for world domination?
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I like them, as well as That Hideous Strength, although they're all horribly sexist.
I got bored with Hideous Strength because it seemed too "straight" where the others seemed really wacky. It's been a long time. I don't doubt about the sexist crap but at the time I read the books I wasn't paying attention. I just wanted weird.
"I think thirty bucks is a TON to drop on a bottle of wine,"
Decent swill, especially Washington wines, can be had at Costco for sightly under $10. Anything over $10 is entering into entirely different glass of class. Take a swilling trip to the neighborhood of Walla Walla, Washington and check it out. Time your visits to the spring or fall steelhead runs which also are pretty decent between Lewistown and Orofino. The jetboats are rare in October so it's the best time to take the drift boat and cozy up to the wines. Hells Canyon also is close enough to the Eastern Washington vineyards and October is fine chukkar and Hun shooting as well as featuring a decent steelhead run down in that deep hole - and only two serious rapids to negotiate. "Cast and blast" as we say.
Although I just don't understand trolls.
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See, that's the problem right there. And you don't see it, do you?
"Troll" is the N word of the blogosphere. It's a fucking label. Calling someone that is the equivalent of demeaning them, of making them second class online citizens.
Once you're designated a troll, you never gain cred or acceptance because you're, by definition, inferior. Not a part of the majority, or it's shared assumptions.
Elias, your "positions" on things have exactly nothing to do with how you got crosswise with just about everyone here.
It's how you interact with people and I can't express it any better than ChiDyke did.
although i don't recall the coverage of the other strike, to me you're both correct... but i think the point trying to be made is that msm didn't cover this one at all as it would show the true discontent and upset the status quo. and we can't fucking have that.
msm is complicit and they know it...
fokowi
It is like that post that Atrios had earlier ( I was out all day) from a poll on CNN that said 47% of Americans felt that inflation was the #1 concern.
But there is no inflation according to the government. Of course they consistently discount stupid things like food and gasoline while REAL people actually have to buy these things. . . .
I am being forced to study the amount of corn in my poo....
Elias is a troll of the first order. can't believe you guys continue to give him deference. He's an asshole, here to derail the threads.
I mean, look at this one. My point is made.
Peace, and ignore the mother fucker.
Good night,
Vicki
Aw for Pete's sake!
Why the hell didn't ya say so?
I never said trolls were inferior.
Just dumbass, that's all.
Flory! How long are you home for?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
*sigh*
Just til tuesday. They usual.
Got a lotta play out here.
flory
Of course on K S F O they believe that the longshoremen were commies striking.
Spocko
They aren't?
Oakland Trib had a decent writeup. Went into the attempts to get the railroad workers to join in. And some of them did!
"Troll" is the N word of the blogosphere. It's a fucking label. Calling someone that is the equivalent of demeaning them, of making them second class online citizens.
Once you're designated a troll, you never gain cred or acceptance because you're, by definition, inferior. Not a part of the majority, or it's shared assumptions.
Around here, they like to gay bash and use words like "trannie" to describe women whose opinions they don't tolerate.
That says alot about them.
You know when M elanie M organ and the people from MAF have their "counter protests" they get coverage. And they almost always end with, "Isn't America a great place were people can protest and speak their mind." It is just such a lame story. Then there is the 200,000 people protest but these 20 people protested agasint the 200,000 so we will give 30 percent of the screen time to the 20 people for "balance." Drives me nuts.
I'm supposed to provoke and through that, determine how soon the core group of "regulars" acts to expel any new potential "threat," EVEN if the new "threat" exhibits signs of conformity.
There's a concentric circle pattern with the core clique being the center, followed by a radiating level of "circles of acceptance".
I realize now I hadn't posted anything about the demise of the great and powerful Albert Hoffman. RIP!
The man who launched ten million paranoids.
I hath several "nuggets"....
Once you're designated a troll, you never gain cred or acceptance
because you're, by definition, inferior. Not a part of the majority, or
it's shared assumptions.
EliasX |
Homepage |
05.03.08 - 10:25 pm | #
I'm sure you must realize how simple it is to change your online identity. Trollism is something that comes from your ideas and posts. You can be identified by that no matter how many aliases you adopt.
The poor, misunderstood troll.
A troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll is a troll...
"Troll" is the N word of the blogosphere. It's a fucking label. Calling someone that is the equivalent of demeaning them, of making them second class online citizens.
I like how the internets inspire people to make not at all wildly exaggerated historical comparisons.
Once you're designated a troll, you never gain cred or acceptance
Only trolls think that.
Only problem with Elias's story is that this is a very very small community, almost a private community, and doens't accept ANYONE who wasn't here pre-2001.
There is no dynamic here, just a bunch of people who don't like anyone except the people they like.
Get it?
From awhile above. Thank you I think I always had heard that Narnia was hamhandedly Xian I just wasn't inclined to watch it and that's why I was pretty ignorant of it.
And thank you DWD, That's what I always thought. (I wrote that down on a napkin a minute ago, I mean it now, and I have no idea what it was about).
But I wanted to ell you about it enough that I wrote it on my napkin until I rn out of room.
You complain that people don't respect you and then you disrespect people.
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YOu're joking right?
Examine the exchanges between 4legs and me. You'll notice that I rarely use profanity with her, but she almost always says, "Fuck off."
Not a word of condemnation for her over "protocol" or whateverbullshit. Right?
Of course, you know I'm right.
Regulars can get away with that. The Core never attacks each other.
Killfile rules. All threads are now troll free!
I like how the internets inspire people to make not at all wildly exaggerated historical comparisons.
Thers | Homepage | 05.03.08 - 10:29 pm | #
hahahahahahhahahha - awesome
This place is really fucking insane sometimes.
Seriously, goodnight.
Evening fellow 'bats. I haven't yet read all the comments on this thread, but I'll take a few minutes and read the most recent 50 or so.
TOW, saves me time and aggravation
like how the internets inspire people to make not at all wildly exaggerated historical comparisons.
And, melodrama. I like how in the internet tubes there's no melodrama.
Good evening, comrades.
thanks charley.
EliasX
yeah, but you should look at what SteveLG said too. group dynamics is a bitch, even if it is just a blog.
i'm not much around here, but i've been coming since almost the beginning and i've been called everything from a troll to a racist. hell, trademark dave even says he killfiled me. that hurt, but what do i care, it's just a blog.
you know the saying, blogs are like opinions...
proper decorum here is a much misunderstood thing. i dig the way atrios lets the shit fly in here...
Regulars can get away with that. The Core never attacks each other.
Everyone poops on NTodd at some point, though. It's like a merit badge.
.
Comment by EliasX blocked.
Really, kids - it's that simple.
Once you're designated a troll, you never gain cred or acceptance because you're, by definition, inferior. Not a part of the majority, or it's shared assumptions.
EliasX
That may well be true. But no one is 'designated' a troll in a vacuum. You have to earn that designation.
You've never seen Jr fight with everyone on here? Or that Dave guy?
THey fight all the time.
You aren't talking about fighting Elias, you're talking about Simels.
Simels is a TROLL.
Idiot.
Thers | Homepage | 05.03.08 - 10:29 pm
What Thers said.
And if I told you once I've told you 10 Trillion times. Don't exaggerate!!
Where did this assumption come from that blogs are places for orderly and polite debate?
I mean, WTF, are we supposed to go by Roberts Rules of Order or somesuch shit?
Mariachi Mexican anthem on HBO now.
Is troll-ing an essence or an act?
Please continue to debate all things Elias in my absence.
bye
The Ted Smith Academy of Internets Analysis...
TEBB:
Cliff Notes:
Obama Guama
Trollarama
Elias pissy
ChiDi pithy
Killfile bloating
Is troll-ing an essence or an act?
I denounce and reject both the corpuscular and the wave theories of trollism.
Then there is the 200,000 people protest but these 20 people protested agasint the 200,000 so we will give 30 percent of the screen time to the 20 people for "balance." Drives me nuts.
Spocko
Me too.
But I didn't see any of that kind of coverage locally, did you?
I've just "pleasured myself to completion" over the attention paid to my avatar...
EliasX
But no one is 'designated' a troll in a vacuum. You have to earn that designation.
yes:
Comment by annie blocked. [unkill][show comment]
I actually think Elias might be Simels, they both spew the same garbage over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Suck. On. This. Friedman has found a nugget of truth while he traveled the world with his uber-rich wife.
A few weeks ago, my wife and I flew from New York’s Kennedy Airport to Singapore. In J.F.K.’s waiting lounge we could barely find a place to sit. Eighteen hours later, we landed at Singapore’s ultramodern airport, with free Internet portals and children’s play zones throughout. We felt, as we have before, like we had just flown from the Flintstones to the Jetsons. If all Americans could compare Berlin’s luxurious central train station today with the grimy, decrepit Penn Station in New York City, they would swear we were the ones who lost World War II.
How could this be? We are a great power. How could we be borrowing money from Singapore? Maybe it’s because Singapore is investing billions of dollars, from its own savings, into infrastructure and scientific research to attract the world’s best talent — including Americans.
(It's too bad that he conveniently forgets his role in our fighting a useless war and our lack of investment at home. But when you work for the Times, your memory sucks)
baba durag |
05.03.08 - 10:32 pm | #
you need to do the Sunday morning bobbleheads with CoT.
Yours could be the haiku version.
Everyone poops on NTodd at some point, though. It's like a merit badge.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
I will soon get a chance to do it in person.
TEBB:
Cliff Notes:
Obama Guama
Trollarama
Elias pissy
ChiDi pithy
Killfile bloating
baba durag
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dang baba, you keep this up you're going to give Cof T a run for his or her money! thank you!
i just saw a commercial for tomorrow's 60 Minutes and Pat Tillman's mom is going to be on there kicking ass and taking names.
but these 20 people protested agasint the 200,000 so we will give 30 percent of the screen time to the 20 people for "balance." Drives me nuts.
Me too. But it's the fake controversy that sells the programs and the products.
I would have liked it if he did have a rock in his pocket ...
Spocko
Me too. Woulda made the TSA Barneys' day...
"I denounce and reject both the corpuscular and the wave theories of trollism."
Trolls can be both quanta and waves. It is written in the founding documents. They also emit black body radiation.
back
does life still suck?
Uncle B, not so much.
Still hard, but won't say it sucks.
DWD - someone should email Friedman to pull his head out of his butt and compare Singapore's "Defense" spending as a % of the GDP with ours.
I'm sure that explains why Singapore has such a nice airport.
does life still suck?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 05.03.08 - 10:35 pm | #
It is a glorious adventure.
does life still suck?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 05.03.08 - 10:35 pm | #
No - but trolls do.
we landed at Singapore’s ultramodern airport, with free Internet portals and children’s play zones throughout.
Well Singapore's airport is probably the most luxurious on the planet, its certainly unlike any other I've been to.
But Tommy Friedman no doubt knows that Singapore is an exception, but he's pretending otherwise to make a point.
They also emit black body radiation.
montanaheadcold |
05.03.08 - 10:35 pm | #
so that's why they smell so bad?
Only problem with Elias's story is that this is a very very small community, almost a private community, and doens't accept ANYONE who wasn't here pre-2001.
Annie, you're showing what a moron you are....yet again.
Atrios didn't put up his first post until April 2002.
Nobody was here pre-2001.
I have not now, nor ever pooped on NTodd. Even when he calls me a green blooded half-breed. He is simply being accurate.
Of course he is a human, subject their their violent and sometimes irrational emotions.
It's too bad that he conveniently forgets his role in our fighting a useless war and our lack of investment at home.
Or maybe the Mustachioed Twit of Understanding would like to see more of his ill-gotten gains taxed away to pay for decent train stations, air terminals, etc.?
Thought not.
"Does life suck?"
No - but trolls do."
You were not listening carefully. Trolls can suck; they emit.
Flory, if you don't get the joke, you are so not "in."
Friedman: Into the duckpit. Mrs. F, too. Collaborator.
TEBB,
Doesn't it just burn your ass when these fools from the Times point out the sins of America that they are responsible for?
It is like they fail to remember what they said and when they said it. (But I remember, Tommy. I remember.)
"Uncle B, not so much."
good - my car still has problems but I just watched a movie with my kids - I think I have the $ to buy a new(er) car - and several schools expressed interest in me today at a job fair, including some of the best in the city.
My son will be home on May 12th. He is graduating from the University of Rochester. He will only be home till mid July when he leaves for the Marshall Islands where he will be teaching for the next year.
And if I told you once I've told you 10 Trillion times. Don't exaggerate!!
Dear God. Spocko is now going to play a Cliff Richards album.
Friedman can't be bothered with the notion of being wrong. He's got too many first class airport lounges to visit.
'kew.
CoT is a master. I only pretend.
And I renounce your relativistic black body troll quanta waves thoeries, montanaheadcold. They are more like a chocolate chip cookie, with dark bits and light bits that...
...mmmmm...cookie....
good - my car still has problems but I just watched a movie with my
kids - I think I have the $ to buy a new(er) car - and several schools
expressed interest in me today at a job fair, including some of the
best in the city.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
05.03.08 - 10:38 pm | #
That's good to hear. All the best to you!
Fuck this shit. Listen to this crappy song.
several schools expressed interest in me today at a job fair, including some of the best in the city.
They'd be lucky to get you.
An overwhelming percentage of wine made today refers only to where it wants to be not from where it comes.
Although they taste good to me, Yellowtail wines seem to fit that above description. They seem too perfect, a wine that the company figures the public wants.
all this stuff about the in crowd - being uncool I am so out.
I never know who these bands are that youse guys post videos of.
"Everyone poops on NTodd at some point, though. It's like a merit badge."
Isn't it in the Cult of Atrios Manual?"
About halfway down page 36.
re: life
I went to the hospital this week to talk to them about my $27,000 bill. I told my "case manager" that I appreciate that they saved my life when I had double pneumonia last year but that without a job and without insurance I did not know how I could pay my bill.
The manager was very nice and set me up on a $25/month payment plan while my application for "charity" gets processed. She even gave me a handfull of postage paid envelopes and asked me what day I'd like it to be due each month! I'll be filling out that paperwork this weekend.
caveat - I don't know if they'll want to revisit the amount of the monthly payment if my charity app gets denied. The forms ask for the value of real estate property OTHER than the home, which is good, but asks for the value of IRA's and 401(k)s, which makes me nervous.
You all were so right about just going down and talking to the people instead of sitting home freaking out over it. And I think it was Hecate who suggested I propose $25/month. Thank you all for pushing me to go down there and do something, it has been a huge relief.
The way you get to be a "regular" is mysterious and arcane.
It consists of posting here a lot and not being a dick.
In hope I have not divulged Teh Secret and revealed Teh Secret Handshake.
trolls have dark matter for brains: they rarely interact with the observable universe other than gravity from their density.
He is graduating from the University of Rochester.
Congratulations!! It's great that he wants to teach!
"They'd be lucky to get you."
if anyone is Philadelphian - the person from Central was writing notes on my resume. That's a good thing.
I don't understand how Yellowtail can be sold so cheaply. With the cost of production and transportation even the currency differential can't make it as cheap as it is.
"And I renounce your relativistic black body troll quanta waves thoeries, montanaheadcold. They are more like a chocolate chip cookie, with dark bits and light bits that...
...mmmmm...cookie....
baba durag | 05.03.08 - 10:39 pm | # "
Apt analogy. Now you have me trolling through the the fuzzy part of the brain that used to hold all the shit I picked up in physics ... Useless knowledge until now ...
I don't understand how Yellowtail can be sold so cheaply. With the cost of production and transportation even the currency differential can't make it as cheap as it is.
therealhellkitty | 05.03.08 - 10:41 pm | #
Oz is the land of cheap bulk juice.
"Everyone poops on NTodd at some point, though. It's like a merit badge."
Isn't it in the Cult of Atrios Manual?"
About halfway down page 36.
The Plaiiers Manual
Singapore is a gotdamm police state. The fact that "teh mustache" likes the place is telling indeed.
"It consists of posting here a lot and not being a dick."
hear hear!!
Thers Johnson is right!
it really is that simple, and being annoying will get ya the troll label as quick as anything.
TEBB
That's great! I'm so glad it worked out ok!
In hope I have not divulged Teh Secret and revealed Teh Secret Handshake.
Well, you didn't mention Teh Secret Blonde Wig.
SHIT, MY BAD!!
The way you get to be a "regular" is mysterious and arcane.
there's regulars (e.g. me) and then there's the in-crowd (e.g. not me)
He is graduating from the University of Rochester.
Will he be teaching on Truk?
I don't understand how Yellowtail can be sold so cheaply
It's made with the blood of those unfairly dubbed "trolls" on internets liberal blogs.
I don't understand how Yellowtail can be sold so cheaply.
Any non-tuna, non-cod fish is now designated Yellowtail by default.
"I don't understand how Yellowtail can be sold so cheaply."
The high sugar content of some of that stuff will gift you with a pretty decent hangover. But, YT is good and cheap.
TEBB,
Doesn't it just burn your ass when these fools from the Times point out the sins of America that they are responsible for?
It is like they fail to remember what they said and when they said it. (But I remember, Tommy. I remember.)
DWD - Let it end now
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yes, AND it makes me glad i changed my major in college 20 years ago from journalism to economics. i'm so disgusted at the decline of journalism in this country.
Congratulations!! It's great that he wants to teach!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 05.03.08 - 10:41 pm | #
He also got into an accelerated accreditation program where he would be teaching in New York City next year. The Marshall Islands seemed too attractive. He is trying to negotiate a deferred acceptance so that he can teach the following year in New York City.
Uncle Blodge. one of my best friends has taught/coached or like 30 years in one place. uber successful at both in a small town of about 600.
the kids are pretty cool. took his team to the state championship tournament for an unprecedented 7 years in a row. and still tells me shit that he endures in his life that blows my mind. he's gonna make a move by this fall. i should buy his story and write a book.
now there's an idea. anyway, hang in there...
Singapore is a gotdamm police state.
its a "fine" city!
there's regulars (e.g. me) and then there's the in-crowd (e.g. not me)
What are the in people in?
You all were so right about just going down and talking to the people
instead of sitting home freaking out over it. And I think it was Hecate
who suggested I propose $25/month. Thank you all for pushing me to go
down there and do something, it has been a huge relief.
TEBB, grumpy female |
05.03.08 - 10:40 pm | #
I had to have an emergency appendectomy four years ago. I have been paying $25.00 per month to the hospital ever since then. They have been very nice about it and I am now down to $9,500. I pay them every month om time and no one is unhappy.
"He is trying to negotiate a deferred acceptance so that he can teach the following year in New York City."
luck to him. it ain't dull that's for sure.
DWD - someone should email Friedman to pull his head out of his butt and compare Singapore's "Defense" spending as a % of the GDP with ours.
I'm sure that explains why Singapore has such a nice airport.
TEBB, grumpy female | 05.03.08 - 10:36 pm
Yes. When will we stop being afraid of our own shadow?
The way you get to be a "regular" is mysterious and arcane.
(1) Three year commitment.
(2) 1 year without being called a "troll" by a "regular"
(3) Three frists in a row, or two home-runs during prime time.
Fuck this shit. Listen to this crappy song.
You think that's crappy? Just look!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...h?
v=gn4Kfvxczs0
In hope I have not divulged Teh Secret and revealed Teh Secret Handshake.
Thers | Homepage | 05.03.08 - 10:41 pm
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Thanks alot Dick.
That's just the kind of inclusiveness that gets you kicked out of the inclusive club.
Jeez, I sure hope Atrios is making a pretty penny from that "ArabLounge.com" ad.
I mean What. The. Fuck???
I'm sure that those who many people think are the "in crowd" would not so self-identify.
Oh, and I think it helps a tiny bit if you're there and you help call sheets to the ones below.
I try to be helpful and timely, as I do and would in real time.
Or maybe the Mustachioed Twit of Understanding would like to see more of his ill-gotten gains taxed away to pay for decent train stations, air terminals, etc.?
Hell, no. He wants your Social Security and Medicare done away with to pay for decent train stations, etc. At least in cities he lives in or wants to visit.
TEBB -- glad to hear it. I wouldn't worry about the IRA. They only ask about those to make sure you don't have a couple million socked away.
Although they taste good to me, Yellowtail wines seem to fit that above description. They seem too perfect, a wine that the company figures the public wants.
Bobby St. Chomsky
Most wine of this type has more in common with beer than with what I think of as wine, in that it's made to a recipe.
"had to have an emergency appendectomy four years ago. I have been paying $25.00 per month to the hospital ever since then. They have been very nice about it and I am now down to $9,500."
Holy crap. I had no idea that something that simple could be that expensive. I recall that they used to train Army medics how to take them out with a jackknife (actually a scalple that they carried in their kit.). I was relieved never to be on the end of that field operation.
I love you, Moonbats, but I have to go become horizontal. Sweet dreams and golden mornings.
I would just like to thank the "regulars" for providing excellent and intelligent insight to the topics discussed.
telling people they are stupid and dense is a privilige around here...people still won't like or listen to you, if you don't massage the mojo.
ChiDy, if you're still there. As much as I repect you, I can't go along with that. I was never good at kissing ass.
i respect the ideas you present and endorse. i don't mean this in a personal or mean spirited way. i would say the same to anyone, well known or otherwise. learn some social graces, friend.
When you say the same to 4legs, Hecate, or ibrahim, then I'll know you are a person of your word. Hecate gave you an opportunity earlier tonight, but I'll just assume you unintentionally overlooked it.
That's just the kind of inclusiveness that gets you kicked out of the inclusive club.
I don't want to belong to any club that would throw me out as a member.
Good night, comrades, and good luck. Back to a late night of work.
What are the in people in?
I don't know, I'm not in it!
(BTW I'm not complaining, just noting)
Stunt Woman | 05.03.08 - 10:45 pm | #
there's some truth to that, actually. it took a lot of time for me to be accepted.
you need a track record of sorts. people need to know a bit a your story.
t'was rocky for me at first. sarah deere was a big help to me in getting over the rough spots.
Stunt Woman |
05.03.08 - 10:45 pm | #
good lord, I'm a regular?
Nighty-night, my friends.
*yawn*
What are the in people in?
Thers
Bacon.
i remember the first time i posted some pretty lame ass stuff in here and realized that atrios wasn't going to ever ban me for whatever reason.
then again, this will probably constitute the last post you ever see from me...
You think that's crappy? Just look!
Pfft...that's bush league-crappy.
This is major league crap.
Had melanoma last year and a large chunk of my right forearm and several lymph nodes removed. It cost $85K. Thank God for insurance. Cannot afford a break in coverage now.
Good night, comrades, and good luck. Back to a late night of work.
montanaheadcold
'night, mhc. I've got a night of report writing to do myself.
does life still suck?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Unca B!! Missed you earlier. When you get around to doing that African American History Blog project let me know. I know some people. In fact I think I directed you to one of them awhile back, Kevin Levin in Virginia?
watertiger!!!
muah
*yawn*
How was the show?
TEBB -- glad to hear it. I wouldn't worry about the IRA. They only ask about those to make sure you don't have a couple million socked away.
flory
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oh thank god, i have nowhere near $1MM!
my last friend who had an appendectomy, ten years ago, had a $20,000 bill here in dallas. he had a problem as the insurance co. would only pay what it considered "reasonable" and the hospital and drs wanted the shortfall from him. his father in law was a dr and had some advice but i don't know how it ended up.
then again, this will probably constitute the last post you ever see from me...
fokowi | Homepage | 05.03.08 - 10:50 pm | #
And why is that?
in that it's made to a recipe.
explain please!
you need a track record of sorts. people need to know a bit a your story.
It also helps if you're not continually inviting everyone to take sides in your private drama.
Kevin Levin in Virginia?
sure it was me?
maybe my memory is slipping...
then again, this will probably constitute the last post you ever see from me...
fokowi "
On the other hand, you will then be the first to claim that you actually had your account canceled.
Had melanoma last year and a large chunk of my right forearm and several lymph nodes removed. It cost $85K. Thank God for insurance. Cannot afford a break in coverage now.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks for reminding us all of what's really important.
Holy crap. I had no idea that something that simple could be that
expensive. I recall that they used to train Army medics how to take
them out with a jackknife (actually a scalple that they carried in
their kit.). I was relieved never to be on the end of that field
operation.
montanaheadcold |
05.03.08 - 10:48 pm | #
Well, it was the $5,000 CAT scan that put it up in nosebleed territory. I told the ER doctor that I was sure he could diagnose it without one...to which he said, "I'm sure I could, but you folks have these things called lawyers".
*yawn*
watertiger
See? It's that kind of disrespectful behavior that'll get you labelled trool faster than anything....
I had my appendix out when i was 12, but we were living in the UK at the time, so my parents made 0 payments of $0 each.
Back from dinner and a night at the symphony. Will backtrack and catch up on the thread.
I'm sure that those who many people think are the "in crowd" would not so self-identify.
But once you're in you get to announce triumphs like killing the electric car and making Steve Gutenberg a star.
How was the show?
"It was better than 'Cats'. Better than 'E.T.'!"
And why is that?
Shared Humanity | 05.03.08 - 10:52 pm | #
obviously just another bad punchline...
"I'm sure that those who many people think are the "in crowd" would not so self-identify."
I know I'm positive I'm not in.
TEBB y'all are TXn?
obviously just another bad punchline...
fokowi
what? who is that speaking?
obviously just another bad punchline...
fokowi | Homepage | 05.03.08 - 10:54 pm | #
Shit, I've got a polyp funnier than you.
sheets
See? It's that kind of disrespectful behavior that'll get you labelled trool faster than anything....
*waves hand dismissively*
and check yer email, chica.
therealhellkitty - my understanding is that if you are female they do a CAT scan to rule out an ovarian cyst or ectopic pregnancy. since men don't have those issues lower right quadrant pain and elevated white blood cell count means straight to surgery, no CAT needed.
by the way, just before discharge from the hospital with pneumonia the resident scheduled a CAT scan for me due to something that showed up on one of the tests. i declined it, told her i couldn't afford it and based on what she was telling me the chance of it being the possible bad thing was low so she could put "refused CAT scan" on my chart for liablity purposes.
But once you're in you get to announce triumphs like killing the electric car and making Steve Gutenberg a star.
Thers |
Homepage |
05.03.08 - 10:54 pm | #
you make a good point but I thought radio killed the electric car.
it was Thers and the In Crowd whose 45 "Self-Identify" rocked the charts in the early eighties.
"It was better than 'Cats'. Better than 'E.T.'!"
/sports hokey Midwestern accent
"Only in New York..."
maybe my memory is slipping...
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
well for damn sure mine is so maybe it was somebody else who was interested in African/African American history blogging.
It was, iirc, rather late at night in any case. Hang on a sec (if I open any more windows this comp is likely to crap out) and I'll get the link.
in that it's made to a recipe.
explain please!
The Old Man From Scene 24
Hm. Basically, there's one approach to wine-making which is to use the best available practices and technology to raise clean healthy fruit and use minimally interventionist winemaking to sort of "guide" the wine toward what it's supposed to be.
The other approach is to use various techniques to manipulate the wine into tasting like what market research and focus groups tell you people think they want to buy. An easy example is inducing "buttery" flavors in white wine, but there are countless others.
(3) Three frists in a row, or two home-runs during prime time.
Stunt Woman
Thank God for insurance. Cannot afford a break in coverage now.
Shared Humanity
And there is what is most fucked up about our current system. You're now stuck in your job and/or marriage -- depending on how you obtain your insurance -- forever.
Having been diagnosed with the Big C, you'd never be able to get individual coverage.
Christ thers next thing you know you'll be telling them about the martians.
Ixnay on the area iftyOneay.
Back from dinner and a night at the symphony. Will backtrack and catch up on the thread.
Gromit
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don't do it Gromit. Trust me.
On the other hand, you will then be the first to claim that you actually had your account canceled.
EkCenTriK | 05.03.08 - 10:52 pm | #
great. another fucking dilemma... how in the hell would i be able to proclaim it?
several schools
expressed interest in me today at a job fair, including some of the
best in the city.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Can I give a little advice, friend. Take the opportunity. I stayed too long under the gun in my job and it cost me too much. I don't think that one can stay for twenty-five years of it the way I did: the price is too high.
The truth is that the only person who appreciates what you do is you and that is simply not good enough.
Go find yourself a school where the kids all want to go to college and are worried about getting a B rather than an A. When they don't do well on a test, they WANT you to explain how they can do better. If their essays are not up to par, they don't get mad: they ask you to help them.
The parents are not confrontational and the administration is not looking to find fault.
Go and enjoy your job for a while. Our victories are too small and our battles are too long and costly.
(I don't regret it, but I understand it and think you have done well.)
99% of Precincts Reporting
Don Cazayoux (D): 49% (49312)
Woody Jenkins (R): 46% (46282)
Uncle B, this is the place: Civil War Memory.
Guy works at a private school of apparently vast resources, about as far away on the spectrum from you as can be and both be described as "high school teachers." But I read his site every week for a review column I do on Civil War blogs and can attest he is one of the Good Folk out there.
His Civil War special interest is the US Colored Troops and the Battle of the Crater at Petersburg. The few people who have ever heard of the USCT are mostly those who have seen the movie "Glory" and think that the 54th Mass was the only black unit in the war.
civil war memory - new to me, but bookmarked. thanks so much.
Thank God for insurance. Cannot afford a break in coverage now.
Shared Humanity
And there is what is most fucked up about our current system. You're now stuck in your job and/or marriage -- depending on how you obtain your insurance -- forever.
Having been diagnosed with the Big C, you'd never be able to get individual coverage.
flory
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Thank you flory for your excellent summary of something that I've been thinking for years!
Universal health care would unleash a nation of entrepreneurs. I 'm very VERY fortunate to have coverage and get to do some stuff I like but I know that millions are trapped in things that they loath because of that.
Why doesn't' anyone want to push that angle? Because they think it would be CHAOS! And it world to the establishment in the right wing. They can only imagine a world like that. They can only think of the poor and the immigrants sucking up their health care. The don't want to think that Bob down in production really wants to be by the artist, or Bob the social worker or Bob the inventor of great new products. Because THEY are rich or enjoy their job or they are resentful. "I hate my job and I keep doing it, why should THEY do something they like!? If you hate what you do they pay you. If you like what you do you pay them. And health care is a privilidage for those who go to work everyday hating their life because that is how the world works(unless you are rich and you earned that the good old fashion way by being a robber baron and or ripping off the government.)
Imagine people quiting jobs! Good companies would have to compete with others for workers again because millions would leave to start their own businesses.
Businesses would not disappear, lots of people still want a "job job" but lots of people would say FU to crappy jobs the are trapped in for the "benefits."
flory, more than most of us here, understands this, so I totally love that she has said that. Thank you flory.
Universal health care would unleash a nation of entrepreneurs. I 'm very VERY fortunate to have coverage and get to do some stuff I like but I know that millions are trapped in things that they loath because of that.
True to a certain extent... though people like you and I are a little better off than others because we don't have those little thing called "children."
Universal health care would still be a boon, but people would still stay in jobs they didn't necessarily care for simply because it's a steady paycheck and they still have families to provide for.
It's astounding to see Johnny Maverick threaten to not only refuse to consider "universal healthcare" but threaten to do away with the shitty employer-based system as well. $5000 wouldn't pay for six months of coverage for Yours Truly with the simple, common pre-existing conditions I have. I can't imagine trying to cover a family of just four.
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