I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Gravataraha


Gravatarcaught ya, liebniz.


GravatarThey must keep the rubes buying stock, so that the elites can dump their stock to the rubes.

therefore, soothing syrup news.

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Gravatarbetter than by mer!


GravatarPut the whine in the coconut...
~


Gravatar

Too bad there's no whiny emoticon.


GravatarDrink it all up.


Gravatar

Is all we gets.
~


Gravatarat the end of this WaPo tripe:

She recently spoke at a meeting hosted by the Mercatus Center and the Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is chaired by Wendy Gramm, wife of Phil Gramm.

Who is fucking whom?


GravatarI hate rich people telling me when it's okay to feel poor.


GravatarI admit, I am a whiny voter. It may have something to do with being functionally broke a week before payday.


Gravatar'Red, Red (state) whi-i-ne / Stay close to meeeee'

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GravatarAmity wants me to stop whining and starve politely,
and the WH wants troops to stop dying publicly,

at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com


GravatarToo bad there's no whiny emoticon.

There is. But it's in the same emoticon bundle that contains rocket.
.


Gravatar"Phil Gramm Is Right."

Fuck, that's like saying, "the Mafia has done a lot of good things."


GravatarSeriously, the day after the feds seized IndyMac. It's all made up, uh-huh.


GravatarGramm is McCain's most senior economic adviser, the one best qualified to lead the finance team of a McCain presidency.

reason enough alone to vote for obama


GravatarHi, thunder, I see we had very similar tho'ts all over Hiatt this a.m.

No surprise there.


GravatarDays of Whine and Roses


GravatarHi Ruth,

I see you got to yell at Fred Hiatt right after I did.


~


GravatarAmity wants me to stop whining and starve politely,
and the WH wants troops to stop dying publicly,


the #1 thing that makes the Village annoyed/unhappy is that we faceless masses don't know our place.....

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GravatarAmity Shlaes is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of "The Forgotten Man." She recently spoke at a meeting hosted by the Mercatus Center and the Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is chaired by Wendy Gramm, wife of Phil Gramm.

"I wuv Wendy and Phil."


Gravatarbut today I think he's done us all a service.

Hmmm... thats funny. I don't feel serviced.


GravatarWhere was all of this mental recession talk in the 2000 campaign when Bush and others were talking about a recession that didn't start until March 2001.


Gravatar"better than by mer!"
--leibniz

Better at what?


Gravatarthe #1 thing that makes the Village annoyed/unhappy is that we faceless masses don't know our place.....

Ever wonder what the guy operating the guillotine in 1789 Paris was thinking?


GravatarAny chance the neo-cons can revive Scoop Jackson?


GravatarWhat kind of name is Amity Shlaes?

Who names their kid Amity? And is it any surprise that someone named Amity thinks the economy is teh kewl?
.


GravatarIt would have been really simple to say "a Nation Led by Whiners", if that's what he had meant.


Gravatar"Phil Gramm Is Right."

Phil Gramm is a duplicitous, criminal, arrogant fuck.


GravatarI spent the day in the car with my racist in laws yesterday. They gave me every reason they could think of NOT to vote for Barack. I finally gave them THE winning argument. I give it to you:

If you are satisfied with the way that things are going in this country, please vote for John McCain for you will get exactly what we have now. If, you are not satisfied, then vote for change.

That is it in a nutshell - forget everything else. It comes down to that simple argument.


GravatarThe weird thing about the piece is that while she's saying Gramm was right, she's also saying the economy is a disaster.

Even a Republican suckup moron like Shlaes knows whats what, apparently. She just doesn't give a shit, however.


GravatarAmity is "friendly" and used to be a line of cheap wallets.


GravatarEver wonder what the guy operating the guillotine in 1789 Paris was thinking?
montag | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 9:32 am | #


"Am I better off working for scale?"
~


Gravatarthat we faceless masses don't know our place.....

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Cynicus


First headstone on the right, 6 ft straight down. Without whining.

thunder, I think fizzies are in order,in both instances. So we're even.


GravatarWow...CNN says Tony Snow just died.


Gravatar"Phil Gramm Is Right."

Phil Gramm is a duplicitous, criminal, arrogant fuck.


Which makes Phil Right, as in wing, and right for the corrupt Village.

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GravatarBetter at what?


mer eats oats and does eat oats
and little watertiger is evil!


GravatarAmity: "You want something to whine about? Wait'll I cut your fucking nuts off."


GravatarPhil Gramm is a duplicitous, criminal, arrogant fuck.

Marry me.

(In California, natch.)


GravatarAnatole France for Veep.


GravatarMarry me.

(In California, natch.)
Molly Ivors |


me too

(in utah, of course)


GravatarJesse Jackson should know better about mics by now.


Gravatar(R) = shorthand for "duplicitous, criminal, arrogant fuck."


GravatarI got the slanties!


GravatarAmity Shlaes is a major wingnut.

See her book: The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression


Gravatar"Am I better off working for scale?"
~




At that time, I think it was all piecework....


GravatarTony Snow mourning party, one flight down.


Gravatar(in utah, of course)
dirk gently,melancoholic


Those folks moved to ElDorado (TX)


Gravatarme too



(in utah, of course)


to the both of you!


Gravatarfrom Wikipedia

Shlaes graduated magna cum laude from Yale University. She previously wrote a column for the Financial Times for five years, for which she won the International Policy Network's Bastiat Prize for Journalism in 2002.[1]

Before that, she worked at the Wall Street Journal, where she was a member of the editorial board. She has also written for The New Yorker, The American Spectator, Commentary Magazine, Foreign Affairs, National Review, and The New Republic, among others.


GravatarAmity Shlaes is a major wingnut.

See her book: The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression


No thanks. I have to shake this bat out of my bra.


Gravataroh well... I can't say I regret missing the Pony Blow mourning party.


GravatarIn a week chock full of idiotic statements from McCurds&whey and his minions, the following is worthy of mentioning:

What prompted the abrupt demotion? The short answer is what might be called Campaign Econ. Campaign Econ says the American economy is a certain way because Americans think it is. Campaign Econ competes with real economics and often wins -- with damage that extends way beyond, say, the political career of either Phil Gramm or John McCain.

While we all realize the republics' notion that talking about a recession is what leads to a recession is propaganda, it still boggles the mind that the assholes throw this out there.


Gravatar"He looked so comfy1"


GravatarWow...CNN says Tony Snow just died.
racymind | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 9:34 am | #


And is now in hell having a threeway with Satan and Milton Friedman.


GravatarHigh Poobahs of Econ: is there a one that has some kind of ground-level understanding of life, or are they all in RWTT (Right Wing Think Tank) mode?

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GravatarNo thanks. I have to shake this bat out of my bra.
leibniz leibkins


I have no idea how to parse that, but I'm still laughing!


Gravataroh well... I can't say I regret missing the Pony Blow mourning party.
racymind | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 9:37 am | #


if you should feel the need, just tune in to fox. any time.


GravatarSee her book: The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression

Those Okies were such whiners!


GravatarBefore that, she worked at the Wall Street Journal, where she was a member of the editorial board.

Has the new executive editor from the WSJ started yet at the Post?


GravatarWhat kind of name is Amity Shlaes?

Isn't that where Bruce the shark was eating all those kids back in'74?


GravatarI have no idea how to parse that, but I'm still laughing!

Oh, it's a brilliantly timed callback!





GravatarYesterday, a very well-endowed English lass found a bat in her bra.


GravatarLike somebody else said the other day, it's always instructive when one of these people lets the mask slip and we all get to see the crawly things underneath.

I suspect that the British industrialists in the early 19th century probably called their workers whiners when they complained about 15 hour days and fatal working conditions. With Republicans in charge, we're always only a few laws away from those good old days.


GravatarJeremiah was a bullfrog,
He was good friend of mine.
I never understood a single word he said
But I helped him drink his whine.
~


GravatarShlaes graduated magna cum laude from Yale University. She previously wrote a column for the Financial Times for five years, for which she won the International Policy Network's Bastiat Prize for Journalism in 2002.[1]

Before that, she worked at the Wall Street Journal, where she was a member of the editorial board. She has also written for The New Yorker, The American Spectator, Commentary Magazine, Foreign Affairs, National Review, and The New Republic, among others.


So, who is she related to? Resumes like this, there is always connections involved.

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GravatarWho names their kid Amity? And is it any surprise that someone named Amity thinks the economy is teh kewl?
.
William H. Rehnquist | 07.12.08 - 9:32 am | #


Somebody I'm extremely fond of lives on Amity Street.

Just saying...


Gravatar"You fucked up.  You trusted us."


GravatarWhine oh whine did I leave Paris?


GravatarToo bad there's no whiny emoticon.

watertiger | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 9:27 am |


raspberry buttercream?


Gravatarsimels, you old honeydripper....


GravatarSee her book: The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression

Those Okies were such whiners!
Molly Ivors


If that liberal Steinbeck hadn't written "Grapes of Wrath", everybody would have continued to party like it was 1929.


Gravatar American economy is a certain way because Americans think it is.

Mental asylums have a special wing for people who think they can fly. You should go there.


GravatarYesterday, a very well-endowed English lass found a bat in her bra.

Just in time for the new Batman movie!

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GravatarI gotz razberries. Gotta go easy with them.


GravatarThe weird thing about the piece is that while she's saying Gramm was right, she's also saying the economy is a disaster.

Even a Republican suckup moron like Shlaes knows whats what, apparently. She just doesn't give a shit, however.


Even the Washington Post is too honest to fail to report that Shlaes works for Wendy Gramm. Shlaes is just trying to defend Wendy's love monkey because, well, Wendy told her to do it.


GravatarI suspect that the British industrialists in the early 19th century probably called their workers whiners when they complained about 15 hour days and fatal working conditions. With Republicans in charge, we're always only a few laws away from those good old days.
Doc | 07.12.08 - 9:39 am | #


Think Ebeneezer Scrooge to Bob Cratchit.

BTW, it's worth noting that Ed Meese -- remember him? -- actually gave a speech defending Scrooge. Said he got a bad rap.

I'm not making this up...


GravatarHigh Poobahs of Econ: is there a one that has some kind of ground-level understanding of life, or are they all in RWTT (Right Wing Think Tank) mode?

Well, they've learned from David Broder that every once in a while, one has to put on a disguise, mingle with the peasants until one finds one thoroughly stupid enough to agree with you, then race back to write a paper about it....


Gravatari can haz government cheese with my whine?


Gravatar American economy is a certain way because Americans think it is.

Mental asylums have a special wing for people who think they can fly. You should go there.


Faith-based economics. Gas gets too expensive, ride your dinosaur to church.

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GravatarI got the slanties!
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ | 07.12.08 - 9:35 am | #


There is medication for that.


GravatarFrom the bio:

Amity Shlaes is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations


GravatarHigh Poobahs of Econ: is there a one that has some kind of ground-level understanding of life, or are they all in RWTT (Right Wing Think Tank) mode?

Krugman gets it. Oh, and that Atrios guy.


Gravatarsimels, you old honeydripper....
Molly Ivors |


there are treatments for that, you know


Gravatari can haz government cheese with my whine?

No, layabout. Get a job.

-- Rush Limbaugh


GravatarDuring the Depression, people lost their homes even though they had borrowed only 10 percent of the purchase price. People losing their homes today frequently have borrowed 90 percent or more

So I guess that means people today are 80 percent more deserving of being homeless? Christ.


Gravatar"Party like it's 1929" might be a good slogan for McCain.


GravatarThe weird thing about the piece is that while she's saying Gramm was right, she's also saying the economy is a disaster.

Even a Republican suckup moron like Shlaes knows whats what, apparently. She just doesn't give a shit, however.
steve hüssein simels®


The economy is the new Iraq. Clap harder, people!


GravatarGas gets too expensive, ride your dinosaur to church.



GravatarA recession is two consecutive quarters in which the economy shrinks, and last quarter it grew. But no matter. Voters feel they are in a recession, and so they are, at least according to Campaign Econ.

You hear that, you fucking ungrateful votes!?!!? Well, fuck you!!!


GravatarI think it's a fair guess that the Obamas get it more than the McCains.


GravatarAmity Shlaes is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations

You don't get there without knowing someone either. What's her connection to the Village elite?

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GravatarI always figured after they had finished robbing the people blind, the DC elites would turn on the unwashed masses out there.


GravatarThe economy is the new Iraq. Clap harder, people!
geor3ge | 07.12.08 - 9:44 am | #


I'm going to put a ribbon on my car for the economy.
~


GravatarI always figured after they had finished robbing the people blind, the DC elites would turn on the unwashed masses out there.

But I bathed!


GravatarI'm going to put a ribbon on my car for the economy.

support our elite!


GravatarA recession is two consecutive quarters in which the economy shrinks, and last quarter it grew. But no matter. Voters feel they are in a recession, and so they are, at least according to Campaign Econ.


"An imbecile is officially defined as a person whose IQ is 25 or below. Mine is 27, so I'm not an imbecile"

-conservative hair-splitter


GravatarAlso from the bio:

She recently spoke at a meeting hosted by the Mercatus Center and the Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is chaired by Wendy Gramm, wife of Phil Gramm.


Gravatargreen ribbon?


GravatarBTW, it's worth noting that Ed Meese -- remember him? -- actually gave a speech defending Scrooge. Said he got a bad rap.


Meese was immortalized in a National Lampoon cartoon giving Reegun (IIRC) a knob job.


Gravatar
I'm going to put a ribbon on my car for the economy.


That will save you from the Depression, anyway. You'll make a mint!


GravatarWhine on harvest moon?


Gravatar"Cannibal Helper helped her Cannibal
Help her, Make a great Meal!"


GravatarGRAHAM SI RIGHT - WERE BECOMING A NATION OF WINERS LIKE TEH FRENCH - I HATE HILARTY CLITNON BECAUSE IM SUPPOSED TO BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT HER LIVER RUNS DEEP WHICH IS WHY SHE DRANK ALL THAT BEER AND VOTED FOR WHIKSEY SEXY DEMOCRACY BACK IN O3


GravatarI think it's a fair guess that the Obamas get it more than the McCains.
plantsman | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 9:44 am | #


Obama was in town yesterday, and in an area near me. This is not an area that's doing well, so hopefully he or his aides noticed the boarded up houses.


GravatarAh, Merkin!


GravatarHigh Poobahs of Econ: is there a one that has some kind of ground-level understanding of life, or are they all in RWTT (Right Wing Think Tank) mode?

Oh sure there are lots of them! Like:

[ticks off the names of the Green Bay offensive line]

and some others I can't remember right now.


Gravatar'mornin'

Drive by to the obits:

RIP Tony Snow, who died too young.

Michael deBakey, the extraordinary heart surgeon, died at 99. Among the accolades is no mention of his reputation as a thoroughgoing egotistical bastard. He was often called 'Black Mike'. A classic story I've heard from two separate sources, but have no firm idea as to its veracity, refers to a resident of his who was working in the ICU, where the rule was you didn't leave the hospital when you were on call. He crossed the street to get a sandwich, and was struck by a car, breaking his leg. DeBakey visited him at his bedside post-op, offered his sympathy for his discomfort, and fired him on the spot.


GravatarA recession is two consecutive quarters in which the economy shrinks, and last quarter it grew.

IF you accept the official Bushco figure for inflation, and not the one the world outside the US calculates, which is 3-4X higher. if you use reality, there is zero or negative growth.

But thank Jebus that no one without a Yale eddy-kashun can grasp such advanced concepts.

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GravatarOf course, Miss Amity sort of just glosses over the big elephant in the sitting room--that the Bushies have lied about everything, so, it's almost inevitable that they've been lying about the economic data--and particularly, the unemployment data.

I would see it as a sign of mental health if the WaPoo would ask Kevin Phillips to write a rebuttal to this pampered wingnut welfare recipient....


GravatarEven a Republican suckup moron like Shlaes knows whats what, apparently. She just doesn't give a shit, however.


Glasshoppah, you velly smart.


GravatarDeBakey visited him at his bedside post-op, offered his sympathy for his discomfort, and fired him on the spot.
ProfWombat | 07.12.08 - 9:48 am | #

The prototype to "House, MD"


GravatarIn addition to large billboards showing McCain hugging Bush, and reading: "Four More Years! Vote John McCain!" we need large billboards with McCain and Graham, reading "Americans Are Whiners! The economy is great! Vote John McCain!"

I didn't think it possible, but McCain may be a worse candidate than Michael Dukakis.


Gravatar"Support our billionaires"


GravatarA recession is two consecutive quarters in which the economy shrinks, and last quarter it grew.

IF you accept the official Bushco figure for inflation, and not the one the world outside the US calculates, which is 3-4X higher. if you use reality, there is zero or negative growth.

But thank Jebus that no one without a Yale eddy-kashun can grasp such advanced concepts.

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Cynicus | 07.12.08 - 9:49 am | #


That's what got me, that she seemed to believe the official numbers.


GravatarChoice comments in response to this article:

"In "Black Gold Stranglehold," Jerome Corsi and Craig Smith expose the fraudulent science that has made America so vulnerable: the belief that oil is a fossil fuel and that it is a finite resource.

This book reveals the conclusions reached by Dr. Thomas Gold, a professor at Cornell University, in his seminal book "The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels" (Copernicus Books, 199 and accepted by many in the scientific community that oil is not a product of fossils and prehistoric forests but rather the bio-product of a continuing biochemical reaction below the earth's surface that is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation."


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Straight talk would be I'm rich, you're not and I will fool you with more trickle down.

Lets give the Waltons another tax break so they can open another factory in China and close one here.

Lets keep the corporate tax breaks for packing and shipping factory equipment overseas upon closing.


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I am not an 'expert'. But it seems to me that since
(1) the DOW is down pretty much to where it was 8 years ago and,
(2) the economy has lost jobs every month this year

there is something wrong with the 'experts' definition of a recession. We, the people, are 'whining' for a reason.


Gravatarbtw, Watertiger, Diane borrowed your desk this morning, tx

at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com


GravatarJerome Corsi?

Jerome Corsi?

Where have I heard that name before?


Gravatar"Now, however, Gramm faces political exile because he made the mistake of telling the truth."

"In that speech, McCain said that on entitlements, hard choices were necessary. He concluded: "Any politician who tells you otherwise, Democrat or Republican, is lying.""

From a person working in a company that just imposed pay cuts because our sales have dropped through the floor while the work force is paying through the nose for gas and food...

Fuck you Phil and fuck you McCain and fuck you Shlaes.


GravatarAmity Shlaes is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of "The Forgotten Man." She recently spoke at a meeting hosted by the Mercatus Center and the Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is chaired by Wendy Gramm, wife of Phil Gramm.


GravatarJust wondering, does OHSHA govern the safty and working conditions on those Crab boats, fishing in the Bearing sea? Anyone know?


GravatarMichael deBakey, the extraordinary heart surgeon, died at 99. Among the accolades is no mention of his reputation as a thoroughgoing egotistical bastard

Oh no! He was a mavericky kind of heart surgeon!


GravatarJerome Corsi?

Where have I heard that name before?
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 9:52 am | #


One of the mendacious two, re: Swiftboat Liars.
~


Gravataroil is not a product of fossils and prehistoric forests but rather the bio-product of a continuing biochemical reaction below the earth's surface that is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation."

Wow. Just wow.


Gravatar
btw, Watertiger, Diane borrowed your desk this morning, tx



Mi desk est su desk.


GravatarIn addition to large billboards showing McCain hugging Bush, and reading: "Four More Years! Vote John McCain!" we need large billboards with McCain and Graham, reading "Americans Are Whiners! The economy is great! Vote John McCain!"

Assumes facts not in evidence, namely, Democrats that want to win sufficiently to speak truth to the public. Or Dems willing to ignore their Carvillian professional losers of elections called 'campaign advisors'.


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GravatarHe was a mavericky kind of heart surgeon!
racymind




after all, he was there to Remove them.


GravatarDoc,

I think that was me you were referencing. I used the analogy of the human mask hiding what is beneath the surface. And what is there is truly ugly.

The same with this lady: I wonder who she is related to or whom her sponsor is because as someone upthread pointed out, you do NOT get these plum positions and opportunities without teh connection.

And so it goes in America. We are being ruled by an elite that deigns to explain to us, the hired help, that we really have it good and that we should just shut up.

(And we are the ones emptying the toilets in the big house)

Great country here or what?


GravatarI'm still laughing at the video.


GravatarYOU CANT BLAME GRAHAM FOR NOT SEEING RECESSION - HE WORKS FOR UBS WHICH HAS MISPLACED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND YET HE HAS A JOB HELL I WOULDNT SEE ANYTHING IF MY HEAD WAS PLANTED WHERE HIS IS


GravatarPhil Gramm looks like an evil Dr. Bunsen Honeydew.


GravatarOne of the mendacious two, re: Swiftboat Liars.

Oh, Unfit For Command is just one of the many projects Jerome Corsi has been involved in. He is also neck deep in the Minuteman Project for Vigilante Racism.


Gravatarthoroughgoing egotistical bastard

It would be amusing to read those words in an obit.


GravatarMi desk est su desk.

watertiger


danke, I'm Germane.

(memememememe was here this a.m. and said she's German today)


GravatarOkay, off to Gomorrah on the Hudson to see Hellboy.

Talk to you all much later...


Gravatar"This demonstrates why McCain won the week!!!!"
- Mark "BOLD BBQ SAUCE" Halperin!


GravatarAmity Shlaes is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of "The Forgotten Man." She recently spoke at a meeting hosted by the Mercatus Center and the Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is chaired by Wendy Gramm, wife of Phil Gramm

Yes yes yes. Got it. But what i keep asking is this: one does not reach these sorts of positions in Republican circles without connections. What/who is Schlaes' link to the Village circles of power?

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GravatarNothing could be finer
Than to be a whinorama
In the morning.


Gravataroil is not a product of fossils and prehistoric forests but rather the bio-product of a continuing biochemical reaction below the earth's surface that is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.

That's what I always thought, but I was afraid to say it because people might think I was crazy.


Gravatar"The Amityshales Horror"


GravatarCynicus, you're right.

I am laboring under a delusion.

It is no delusion that some in the Democratic Party are smart, and want to win.

It may be a delusion that those who do have any power at all, or that they can tell the Mark Penns of the party to STFU.


GravatarI'm still laughing at the video.


McCialis is the bomb.


GravatarMerkin - making Phil back into the Cracker.


GravatarBy the time the high poobahs of the economy declare a recession, we will be two years into a full blown depression. Then we can all party like it's 1929!!!!


GravatarWell a woman who'll kiss on the very first date
Is usually a hussy.

And a woman who'll kiss on the second time out
Is anything but fussy.

But a woman who waits 'til the third time around,
9-figure estate, yet willin' to pound!
She's the girl he's glad he's found--she's his

Cin-Poo-Pi! Cin-Poo-Pi! Cin-Poo-Pi! Cin-Poo-Pi!




Boys:
The Pre-Nup's hard to get!


GravatarWow. Just wow.
Snugglebunny


silly bunny.

there is no such thing as 'prehistoric' - adam kept a diary. god put oil down there under the sand where his chosen people could get to it, but then they killed jesus so he gave it to the evil muslims.

but no worries - as dr gold points out, the mole people excrete oil, and the force of the sun spinning around the earth pulls it to the top. you can prove this theory by tying a potato to a string and swinging it around your head. notice how it pulls?

that proves it.


GravatarSo Debakey died in the last 24 hours? I wonder if that was why there was a surge in heart attacks last night. I spent half the night in the cardiac cath lab, very unusual.

And spoooky.


GravatarWilliam Donahue demands ONION DIP for this body o' Christ!


GravatarAmity Shlaes wrote a book last year that said the New Deal was teh evil


GravatarI don't think even the White Ladies Society bought Huggy's shtick.


Gravataroil is not a product of fossils and prehistoric forests but rather the bio-product of a continuing biochemical reaction below the earth's surface that is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.

It's formed in the rock layer that seperates the surface from the Hollow Earth, Pellucidar.

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Gravatar"William Donahue demands ONION DIP for this body o' Christ!"

Jesus has Ridges?


Gravataryou can prove this theory by tying a potato to a string and swinging it around your head. notice how it pulls?

So that's how they make french fries.


Gravatar"William Donahue demands ONION DIP for this body o' Christ!"

Jesus has Ridges?


GravatarIt's formed in the rock layer that seperates the surface from the Hollow Earth, Pellucidar."

Oil is crushed Hobbits then.


GravatarJerome Corsi is the epitome of a Conservative. And he is completely uninhibited about showing his Conservative streak. Just ask him; he knows everything and you know nothing. Don't bother arguing the facts; Jerome Corsi is so much smarter than you that he can simply manufacture his own facts.


Gravatarracymind, this one is a hoot;
http://multi-medium.net/2008/07/...ews-blogging- 89


Gravatar"William Donahue demands ONION DIP for this body o' Christ!"

Jesus has Ridges?



"Nobody can eat him just once!"
- Mary Magdalene


GravatarWhat a witty morning, y'all!


GravatarBake the Body of Christ at 425 for 20 minutes.


GravatarGood morning. I agree with Atrios, but wonder how many whiners still bother to read the Washington Post.


GravatarGood morning.

Are we going to get Russert type grieforamas for Tony Snow?


Gravatar"What a witty morning, y'all!
plantsman "

You can only hold your snark back so long.


GravatarCynicus, you're right.

I am laboring under a delusion.

It is no delusion that some in the Democratic Party are smart, and want to win.

It may be a delusion that those who do have any power at all, or that they can tell the Mark Penns of the party to STFU.


i'm on your side. Your billboards would be the most powerful Dem campaign in 40+ years.

i'm just not at all sure that the current crop has any fire to win. i don't think they like powerful campaigns. It might make the GOP mad.

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GravatarI'm still laughing at the video.


McCialis is the bomb.
billy b
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Look, you have to understand that McCain's Victorian sensibilities make him very uncomfortable discussing sex or birth control. Hell, he thinks women need more education so that they can make the equal pay that men do. Apparently he thinks that colleges are segregated by sexes and women are not learning the same things as men. I wonder how he feels about womens right to vote. Hmmmm.


GravatarThe happy unemploment number means nothing. They remove discouraged workers and then claim a better rate. So stupid it's Bushian. Do the networks mention that?

"We go on Meet The Press, where we control the message." --Cheney staffer.


Gravataryou can prove this theory by tying a potato to a string and swinging it around your head. notice how it pulls?


If your radio antenna gets broken off of your vehicle, you can shove a potato on the antenna stub to improve the reception.


GravatarI wonder what McBombBomb thought of women being added to Annapolis.

Wonder if there's a statement about it somewhere?


GravatarCollect the whole set!


GravatarThomas Gold's a genuine scientific gadfly. A couple of deep wells drilled to test his thesis came up empty. His abiogenetic oil theory is generally not accepted.

Since he advanced it, bacteria have been discovered deep in the earth that can survive the heat and compression, and estimates suggest they are an extraordinarily large part of earth's total biomass. There may be a reconsidertaion of it. But I'd guess peak oil remains peak oil, since the riches attendant on finding new sources of it are so great in the short term, and the short term is all most folk think about on our sorry planet.


GravatarIf your radio antenna gets broken off of your vehicle, you can shove a potato on the antenna stub to improve the reception.
billy b


And if your exhaust pipe is leaking . . .


GravatarI love when this place makes me laugh til I cry -- I need that these days.


GravatarI wonder how he feels about womens right to vote. Hmmmm.
foolme1ns | 07.12.08 - 10:02 am | #


he's fine with them voting for whomever their men tell them to.


GravatarIf your radio antenna gets broken off of your vehicle, you can shove a potato on the antenna stub to improve the reception.
billy b | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 10:03 am | #


in general, it is dangerous to use the words "shove" and "potato" in the same sentence.


Gravataryou can prove this theory by tying a potato to a string and swinging it around your head. notice how it pulls?
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Does it pull all of the juice to the far end of the potato?

Just sayin'....


GravatarRuth, that's fucking hilarious!

Dr. Haden “Dutch” Vanderflooger was suspended without pay from California’s prestigious Surgery Depot for writing filthy swear words on patients’ internal organs, say police.

Investigators, tipped off by an outraged nurse, say they’ve already discovered five cases of cursed guts. Vanderflooger scribbled:

* @#$% You on a pancreas
* Screw Off on a liver


And worse...


GravatarI wonder how he feels about womens right to vote. Hmmmm.

He's still smarting from Pangea breaking apart.


GravatarProfWombat--even if oil supplies were virtually limitless, the planet cannot much longer tolerate the release of all those carbon molecules.


GravatarTho't you would enjoy it, racymind.

To pass around After Closing.


GravatarI gotta come to the aid of Thomas Gold.

Gold was an English theoretical physicist, who often as not thought way, way outside the box. Eventually he left Cambridge and went to Cornell, and died roughly six or seven years ago IIRC.

Circa 1946 Fred Hoyle, Tommy Gold, Herman Bondi and a few other guys went out to see the Hammer Horror Film Dead of Night which is four or five Twilight Zone sort of stories, buuuut the last story, Joyce-like, segues into the first.

Legend has it that this provided the spark that led to Hoyle, Gold and Bondi to propose the Steady-State Theory. Now doubtless you know that the SST was demolished by the Bell Labs discovery (Penzias and Wilson, 1965) of the background radiation, which pretty much confirmed the Hot Big Bang model of the birth of the universe. However, what is not appreciated is that the BB founders (George Gamow, Ralph Alpher, Robert Hermann and Georges Lemaitre) dreamed up that heavy elements were all formed at the time of the BB, while Hoyle, Gold and Co., lacking that furnace, had to use stars, and made some spectacular predictions about nuclear physics, all of which were later confirmed. (The SST is junk, but given any barn full of merde, as Holden points out there may be a pony.) So, the BB folks were right about the universe; the SS folks were right about the origin of the heavy elements.

Even more impressive is the story of the Little Green Men, related below.


GravatarPeak oil is a myth! The Earth is simply a centrifuge designed specifically to manufacture oil for Americans.

--Jerome Corsi


GravatarMrs. Lipsky (Amity Shlaes) graduated magna cum laude from Yale University and studied politics at the Free University of Berlin. Her mother is a regional director of the American Hospital Association in Chicago. Her father is the senior principal in the real-estate department of Panell Kerr Forster, accountants in Chicago.


GravatarDr. Haden “Dutch” Vanderflooger was suspended without pay from California’s prestigious Surgery Depot for writing filthy swear words on patients’ internal organs, say police.

Investigators, tipped off by an outraged nurse, say they’ve already discovered five cases of cursed guts


A surgeon at the University of Kentucky got canned for scribing 'UK' and "Go Big Blue' on uterii.......

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GravatarHe's still smarting from Pangea breaking apart.

GONDWANALAND!!!!!

LAURASIA!!!!!


GravatarTony Snow and the Benihana dude on the same day. What are the odds?


Gravatar"oil is not a product of fossils and prehistoric forests but rather the bio-product of a continuing biochemical reaction below the earth's surface that is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation."

This 'splains why TeeVee Evangelists always have such greasy fuckin' haids.
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GravatarUmmm....

The Surgery Depot?????


I suppose no one will wait on you there either.


GravatarAnother short blurb on Amity

http://www.davosnewbies.com/2005...ing-for-the-ft/


GravatarI'm still laughing at the video.
watertiger | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 9:54 am | #


i love the way the snooze media keep referring to this as "the viagra question"

that's the mcguffin, boys.


GravatarAmity's Daddy's company.

http://www.pkf.com/home


GravatarHow're you gonna keep 'em down on the farm, when it was bought on an ARM?


Gravatar Her mother is a regional director of the American Hospital Association in Chicago. Her father is the senior principal in the real-estate department of Panell Kerr Forster, accountants in Chicago.

Ah. Starting to zero in......

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Gravatarhe Surgery Depot?????


I suppose no one will wait on you there either.
Culture of TrÜth


[Overhead announcement]

"An associate is needed for a prostate removal in the plumbing department..."


GravatarSurgery Depot is just wrong, but Liquor Barn rocks!


Gravatar* @#$% You on a pancreas
* Screw Off on a liver

And worse...
racymind


I think I'll add "Fuck you on a pancreas!" to my vernacular.


GravatarI suppose no one will wait on you there either.
Culture of TrÜth


gives new meaning to Doc in a Box.


GravatarSo should we have "Whiner" buttons made up?


GravatarAnd mommy's place.

http://aharc.library.net/


Gravatarthat's the mcguffin, boys.

the best part is that he got back to the reporter later that day with this answer to her question:" Why is Viagra covered while birth control isn't?"

"I support competition in the pharmaceutical industry."


GravatarYou can prove this theory by tying a potato to a string and swinging it around your head. notice how it pulls?

Shouldn't the string slice the potatoe in two and send the halves flying?

-- Li'l Dan Quayle, Age 6


GravatarUrgh...if you can stand it, try reading K Lo interviewing Amity Shlaes at NRO about the book The Forgotten Man.

It makes some good points...like...um...books are a great source of information...oh, and "Mussolini and Stalin influenced the New Dealers."

[Jonah's dough must've risen at that one.]

Alas, that poor Wendell Wilkie: "He fought so hard to save his company — every one who’s every been in a regulatory battle with an obnoxious agency will understand him."

Damn that FDR, forcing honest price-gougers out of business by providing electricity to the poor people the "free market" wouldn't bother with.

Who whines for the forgotten shareholder in our minds?

Oh, Ken Lay, why do thy bones rattle so?


GravatarProfWombat--even if oil supplies were virtually limitless, the planet cannot much longer tolerate the release of all those carbon molecules.
noblejoanie | 07.12.08 - 10:06 am | #


no worries. we'll just attach some huge (oil burning) jet engines around the equator and spin the earth faster. those carbon molecuse will be pulled off like a potato on twine.


GravatarI'd like to get these guys to look up Tony Snow's new address:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/ arc...6061grave1.html


GravatarThe rivets straddling the equator are a nice touch.


GravatarIt's pretty clear that Shales was trotted out to the WaPo by Hiatt, Gramm, and McCain to help with the damage control.


GravatarMrs. Lipsky (Amity Shlaes) graduated magna cum laude from Yale University and studied politics at the Free University of Berlin. Her mother is a regional director of the American Hospital Association in Chicago. Her father is the senior principal in the real-estate department of Panell Kerr Forster, accountants in Chicago.
DWD - S☮S
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Maybe I'm missing something, but, so what?


GravatarNOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!!!!!!

Twenty Russian scientists are to be evacuated from their camp on a drifting ice-floe in the Arctic after it started disintegrating sooner than expected.

The Russians had set up research station "North Pole 35" on the floe last September when it measured a safe five kilometres long and three kilometres wide, and their original plan was to stay on it until this September.

But after enduring the permanent night of the Arctic winter and surviving the threat of polar bears, the scientists now find that their temporary home has shrunk to just 600m by 300m and faces complete break-up as it drifts towards a current known to contain relatively warm waters.


Gravatar"I support competition in the pharmaceutical industry."


Guess that's why I paid $27 for 25 test strips yesterday.

What a fucking racket these guys have.


GravatarGold's oil theory is at least an attempt at an alternate explanation (i have read the general public version of the book). He's trying to be scientific and rational. Still most likely to be phlogiston.

the danger oif it is that some Big Oil shill would use it, somehow, to justify more drilling - by which we mean, more hoarding of oil fields without drilling.

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GravatarSo should we have "Whiner" buttons made up?
Karin Hussein


Remember the old WIN buttons under Bush the Elder (if memory servers?) Whip Inflation Now?


GravatarInteresting Amity Info

http://www.mediatransparency.org...=Amity% 20Shlaes


GravatarAmity Shlaes is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of "The Forgotten Man."

heh, heh. A book that tries to blame Roosevelt for the Depression.


GravatarDavid: sure, Hoyle and Gold own stellar nucleosynthesis. Very creative guys. But the abiogenetic origin of oil remains a distinctly minority opinion. And, as NJ says, there would be other reasons to not burn so much of it, ev en were it extant.

Gotta go on vaca--see youse guys in a week or so.

Keep your eyes on the prize
Take it easy, but take it


GravatarPoll: Obama Up Just 3 Points
Maybe this is Newsweek merely coming back to the pack, but after showing a 15-point lead for Obama last month, the latest Newsweek poll shows a tight race: 44-41. This is hard to believe, but Obama has dropped 14 points among independents since the last poll.


GravatarTony Snow has died.»
Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow died early this morning at the age of 53, following a long battle with colon cancer. In 2005, Snow had his colon removed and underwent six months of chemotherapy. In March 2007, Snow announced his malignant cancer had returned and spread to his liver and elsewhere in his body. He returned to work in the White House five weeks later. Snow is survived by his wife and three children under the age of 15.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07...-snow-has-died/


GravatarRemember the old WIN buttons under Bush the Elder (if memory servers?) Whip Inflation Now?
noblejoanie


Gerald Ford, I think.


GravatarBummer

I was hoping the Vid that Watertiger was laughing at was footage of the media lined up and going down on McCain....

Can they really think we are that stupid?

oh yeah.


we are.


GravatarToo much fun. c u l8r

and bury them not on the loan prayer-ee

at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com


GravatarMy FreeStyle test-strips are covered by like 16 patents which means some real research went into them, but the price blows!


GravatarTwenty Russian scientists are to be evacuated from their camp on a drifting ice-floe in the Arctic after it started disintegrating sooner than expected.

The Russians had set up research station "North Pole 35" on the floe last September when it measured a safe five kilometres long and three kilometres wide, and their original plan was to stay on it until this September.

But after enduring the permanent night of the Arctic winter and surviving the threat of polar bears, the scientists now find that their temporary home has shrunk to just 600m by 300m and faces complete break-up as it drifts towards a current known to contain relatively warm waters.
Culture of TrÜth
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Make them swim to Iceland like the polar bears and be shot by Icelandic police.


Gravatar"I support competition in the pharmaceutical industry."

that reminds me - i was waiting for the cnn transcript of his spokesmuffin explaing this for my next blog post.

essentially, "mccain thinks people who don't need birth control shouldn't have to pay more for it to be covered, and people who do want it should be able to get a plan that covers it."

now imagine. a fixed monthly price perscription that is only covered by people who pay extra for it. suppose it costs $100/month. how much do you think insurance companies will charge for that coverage?

this is a rhetorical question, but feel free to answer anyway.


GravatarThat would be "if memory serves"--no coffee here as the power has been out since last night. Very soon I'll be gathering kindling to start heating some water outside. Seriously.


Gravatar Free University of Berlin

Not so free. Paid for by high gasoline TAXES.


GravatarMaybe I'm missing something, but, so what?
foolme1ns

Connections. Point A leads to Point B.

How does one get to the point where they are even admitted to Yale (let alone paying for it)

This is the trail of the elite leading to stupidity on a criminal level.


GravatarWhip Inflation Now?

Even earlier.  Chevy Chase . . . I mean, Gerald Ford.


Gravatar"I support competition in the pharmaceutical industry."

sperm competition?


Gravatarwhy should i have to pay extra for insulin coverage? i'm not diabetic.


GravatarHow's this slogan....Vote for the billionares of USA & their tax cuts....Vote John McCain (snark)


Gravatarno coffee here as the power has been out since last night. Very soon I'll be gathering kindling to start heating some water outside. Seriously.
noblejoanie | 07.12.08 - 10:14 am | #


just put some instant in a cup of water and stir it very, very fast.


GravatarGuess that's why I paid $27 for 25 test strips yesterday.

What a fucking racket these guys have.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
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well at least you can still get test strips. Just wait until some little pharmacist decides it is against her religion for you to test your sugar, or your cholesterol.


GravatarEven earlier. Chevy Chase . . . I mean, Gerald Ford.

watertiger | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 10:14 am | #


My dad still has one of those buttons in his study.
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GravatarRoughly 1965, a young woman grad student named Jocelyn Bell (after marriage, Burnell) working on a radio telescope at Cambridge U. picked up, Jodie Foster-like, a repeating beep, beep radio signal, very regular. She found a couple more. At first these were jocularly labeled LGM-1, LGM-2 etc for "Little Green Man 1", etc. Eventually these things were renamed pulsars. Way back in 1932, coincident with Chadwick's discovery of the neutron, W. Baade and F. Zwicky had proposed that the remnants of a star might be a giant nucleus made of neutrons only. (I don't know what they had been smoking, but I would like to buy some.) Thomas Gold immediately (1965) said, apropos of the Bell discovery:

What Bell found are spinning neutron cores (neutron stars.) They are left after supernovae. And, I happen to know (he said), courtesy of Chinese astronomers, that there was a supernova in the Crab nebula in 1060 CE or so. So, if you Cambridge guys will kindly look at the Crab nebula, you will find yet another of Bell's little green men.

They did, and they did.

The Nobel folks screwed up twice. In 1974, the Nobel was awarded to Sir Martin Ryle and Anthony Hewish for their (?!) discovery of pulsars. (Ryle was the guy who set up the radio astronomy group; Hewish was Bell-Burnell's advisor.) What happened to Bell-Burnell? Hoyle was so outraged that he went on a campaign to get her the credit she'd earned. (Hoyle also hated Ryle, who'd forced him out of Cambridge.) Then, they screwed up again, because they never gave Gold anything.

I think the Gold theory of oil formation is probably nuts, but he was a tremendously smart guy, and deserves better than he's gotten.


Gravatarsperm competition?

It's hard out here for a zygote.

The answer didn't even apply to the question.  Complete non-sequitur.


Gravatarnj, how can you be "here" without power?


GravatarTony Snow has passed. This is very sad news. I didn't agree with his politics, but he was too you to die. Peaceful journey, Mr. Snow.


Gravatarjust put some instant in a cup of water and stir it very, very fast.

Like unto a potato on a string.

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Gravatarspellcheck - billionaires....


GravatarGuess that's why I paid $27 for 25 test strips yesterday.

What a fucking racket these guys have.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants


i hope that didn't come out of my premiums. it isn't fair that i should have to pay to support your lifestyle.


GravatarIf there is competition, it's for who can charge the most and who can put the other guy outta business so he can become a monopoly.


Gravatarjust put some instant in a cup of water and stir it very, very fast.
dirk gently,melancoholic


Ordinarily I'd find that v funny but I'm moving into seriously cranky no coffee mode here. And the battery is going on the mac, so enjoy your lattes, amigos.


GravatarSo I'm just imagining that the price of eggs at my local food co-op went up $1 in one week?


GravatarYou've got mail, Honey Bear.


Gravatari agree that it's excellent that this is printed. the "let them eat cake" mentality can only be held by the largest assholes; and it's refreshing when they are actually quoted as saying such.


Gravatar And the battery is going on the mac, so enjoy your lattes, amigos.
noblejoanie | 07.12.08 - 10:18 am | #


how are you online? dialup?


GravatarChickenfeed no longer is.


GravatarConnections. Point A leads to Point B.

How does one get to the point where they are even admitted to Yale (let alone paying for it)

This is the trail of the elite leading to stupidity on a criminal level.
DWD - S☮S
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Ah. I just needed for you to show your work. Same theory holds for the morons in the White House.


GravatarOrdinarily I'd find that v funny but I'm moving into seriously cranky
no coffee mode here. And the battery is going on the mac, so enjoy your
lattes, amigos.

anywhere nearby you can purchase an overpriced cup of joe?


GravatarWhat percentage of America's electricity is now generated by New Deal hydroelectric projects like Hoover Dam and Grand Coulee?


GravatarI am glad no one has made any jokes about Snow in Hell. It wouldn't be tasteful.


GravatarMr.Seth Lipsky served in the U.S. Armed Forces and wrote for Stars and Stripes while in Vietnam.


GravatarLike unto a potato on a string.

if anyone has need for scientific advice or explanations, you know where to go.


Gravatarif anyone has need for scientific advice or explanations, you know where to go.
dirk gently,melancoholic


I thought ProfW was on holiday...?


GravatarI thought ProfW was on holiday...?
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.


pffffft. profw uses facts. anyone can do that.


GravatarThank Gawd snark and humor have returned!


GravatarIf there is competition, it's for who can charge the most and who can put the other guy outta business so he can become a monopoly.
pigboy
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That's the old model. Now they just buy the competition, become huge stupid greedy conglomerates that we "can't afford to have fail"!!!! See how this works. It's corporate socialism. We have to take care of these monstrosities, because if they fail, we all go down together. It's a great system.


GravatarSo Shlaes got 20 grand in wingnut welfare so she could write that bullshit book? How interesting...


GravatarIf there is competition, it's for who can charge the most and who can put the other guy outta business so he can become a monopoly.

Funny thing about the Freee Market - it's temporary. The goal is to get big enough to create monopoly and end the freedom. Which will happen without regulation, which is bad, because regulation maintains the freedom and curbs the monopoly, which is an impingement on the Freedom of the market.

Doublethink is not just a political technique, it's an utterly necessary prerequisite for some things.

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GravatarWhat percentage of America's electricity is now generated by New Deal hydroelectric projects like Hoover Dam and Grand Coulee?
Miss H., Great Expectorator


I like the artwork the WPA left behind.


Gravatarwatertiger | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 10:17 am | #


Remember when LauraBot was greeted in Afghanistan by the NZ haka?

http://www.dependablerenegade.co...take- three.html

It'd have been much more fun if the haka had been performed by these guys:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4616550a1823.html


Gravatarpffffft. profw uses facts. anyone can do that.
dirk gently,melancoholic


Worse, he uses his brain, which only he can.

If you're still reading, ProfW, have a terrific vacation!


Gravatarjust put some instant in a cup of water and stir it very, very fast.
dirk gently,melancoholic
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shouldn't a potato be involved in this equation somehow?


GravatarWhat does Thomas Gold have to do with anything?


GravatarThe Bonneville Power Authority is still big -- they shut down some windfarms here last week for a while because they were generating TOO MUCH ELECTRICITY.


GravatarIn response to a comment at SFGate.com, here's my official statement on Snow's death:

"Guess what, Bush will be gone in January (whew!) and some of you will have to find a new boogie man hiding in your closet to rail against." Actually, no. Aside from destroying our economy and our constitution, there's also the lifetime court appointees that will attempt to continue President Drunken Sociopath's disastrous policies into perpetuity. Bush and his criminal cohorts have decimated this country, perhaps irreparably. So I should be sorry that one of his mouthpieces who assisted that decimation died a slow lingering death? I'm only sorry in the sense that it hasn't yet directly happened to Bush or Cheney yet. As a patriotic American, I honestly can't, and shouldn't, feel any other way about these monsters.


GravatarSo I'm just imagining that the price of eggs at my local food co-op went up $1 in one week?
Cookie Fleck `08
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whiner


GravatarNope.

My test strips were all on me because I didn't have a prescription for them.

I have to go to the doctor (and do the co-pay thing) to get a script and then I'll get 100 for $30.

My medical plan (for which I pay $72/month) sucks.
I have to get all my medication by mail ($175 for 3 months).

I've worked all my fucking life to come to this.


GravatarSounds like even if there officially was a recession, Shales would still think we are whiners.


GravatarIt wasn't supposed to rain this morning. So why does the local radar look like this?

http://www.wdtn.com/Global/categ...ry.asp? C=128305


Gravatar"I like the artwork the WPA left behind."

That reminded me of Hoover dam. The restrooms are almost a work of art in themselves on the dam itself.


GravatarIt'd have been much more fun if the haka had been performed by these guys:



Hell, I hope they greet ME like that!

Okay, I'm outta here.  Behave yourselves as you see fit.


Gravatarcarve the cup from a potato.


GravatarThat's the old model. Now they just buy the competition, become huge stupid greedy conglomerates that we "can't afford to have fail"!!!! See how this works. It's corporate socialism. We have to take care of these monstrosities, because if they fail, we all go down together. It's a great system.
foolme1ns | 07.12.08 - 10:21 am | #

Like Hartmann says 'privatize the profit and socialize the upkeep'


GravatarGlenn Greewald:
Torture and the rule of law


GravatarWhip
Hypocritical
Ignominious
Noxious
Economists

NOW!


GravatarThat's the beauty of a gas stove. You can always make a cup of coffee, even with no electricity.


Gravatar"So why does the local radar look like this?"

Stop whining. Phil Gram won't like it.


GravatarIt wasn't supposed to rain this morning. So why does the local radar look like this?


Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 07.12.08 - 10:24 am | #

http://home.mchsi.com/~mrnivek/ b...urghoffgary.JPG


GravatarHi, Snow.

There was some discussion about Gold's completely unverified ideas about the abiotic origin of oil. Some think it'll save us.

I do not believe in this idea, but there was some wholesale dismissal of Gold, which seemed to me unfair. Gold did some very smart (and correct) things. He has been dead for about six or seven years (or more.)

He also made some guesses that were completely wrong. I think the oil idea is completely wrong.


GravatarAck! Red Doppler! Auntie Em!!!!


Gravatardave™© | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 10:23 am | #

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Well done.


Gravatarinteresting the 2 conservatives on moyers journal last night were going in circles; that's the whole point of the rightwing, it's a lie that it does any good: it's for small government in some whacko theory when not in power, but ALWAYS tends towards authoritarian when in power


GravatarSounds like even if there officially was a recession, Shales would still think we are whiners.

i think the official interjection is "Bloody peasants!"

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GravatarThat's the beauty of a gas stove. You can always make a cup of coffee, even with no electricity.
Karin Hussein |


Oh no no! Unacceptable. I heard from a lunatic Texas billionaire that you need to be using WIND power. That way we can put the natural gas in yer pickup truck.

You do have a pickup truck, right?


GravatarI like the artwork the WPA left behind.

The Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood. The entire building and all its furnishings are works of art.


GravatarThere was some discussion about Gold's completely unverified ideas about the abiotic origin of oil. Some think it'll save us.

This is about Jerome Corsi, not Thomas Gold.


GravatarWell done.

When war criminals die, I celebrate. That's just the way it is...


GravatarWashington exports electricity. Enron jacked the juice to bankrupt California.


GravatarMt. Hood is pretty awesome itself -- and the Lodge at Crater Lake.


GravatarDoublethink is not just a political technique, it's an utterly necessary prerequisite for some things.

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Cynicus | 07.12.08 - 10:22 am | #

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It's amazing how effective it is and how so many go right along with it.


GravatarIt wasn't supposed to rain this morning. So why does the local radar look like this?


Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 07.12.08 - 10:24 am | #

http://home.mchsi.com/~mrnivek/ b...urghoffgary.JPG
Gilly Gonzylon | 07.12.08 - 10:25 am | #




GravatarWashington exports electricity. Enron jacked the juice to bankrupt California.

In the summer, if it rains.


Gravataryou thought i was kidding or exaggerating? alas, no:

BLITZER: As far as birth control, he doesn't believe that should be funded, because he opposes abortion. Is that right?

PFOTENHAUER: He believes that American families should be able to choose what their insurance covers. For example, if you're a woman and you're past child bearing age, you may not want to be paying for maternity benefits. Or if you're a single man, you may not want...

BLITZER: But if you're a young woman who wants birth control...

PFOTENHAUER: Then you should be able to purchase a program that has the things that you decide is important to you. If you have a child, for example, with a -- or a family member with a chronic illness, you may want to be able to choose a plan that will allow you to treat that person over decades.


bbl, i gotta go write this blog post.


GravatarSounds like even if there officially was a recession, Shales would still think we are whiners.
Tralfaz

It's the mindset you know?

Her daddy is a PRINCIPAL in an international accounting firm with offices all over the world (I would imagine they have their greedy little fingers into damned near everything that has the word "Global" in it whether specifically or implied. Whatever else you may think of this: it means BIG BUCKS!

Mummy is a corporate whore for the American Hospital Association. Whatever else you may think of this: it means BIG BUCKS!

She has a LOT of MONEY. Being poor is something she cannot even imagine. NOt having a great job is something she cannot even imagine.


GravatarI like the artwork the WPA left behind.

The Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood. The entire building and all its furnishings are works of art.
dave™© | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 10:27 am | #


Hope to see that in September.


GravatarSnow: Right; see Gimlet above at 9:51.

Sorry for getting off topic.


GravatarCrater Lake Lodge, featuring a Prius:

http://www.travel-watch.com/imag...ashland2- 10.jpg


GravatarCan We Just All Be Human One Saturday Morning? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

AP memorializes Tony Snow thus:

With a quick-from-the-lip repartee, broadcaster's good looks and a relentlessly bright outlook — if not always a command of the facts — he became a popular figure around the country to the delight of his White House bosses.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but part of why Tony was such a force was because he really shook up the press office in terms of getting facts to the American people. Americans didn't know about successes on the ground in Iraq and they ought to, was Snow's attitude. At the time, it seemed new thinking.

So the AP gets points this morning in the nasty, unnecessary, and off categories.


You're wrong. Distorting "facts" was his specialty.


GravatarSounds like even if there officially was a recession, Shales would still think we are whiners.
Tralfaz


Might be a good night for SNL to dust off "the Whiners", and get relevant for a change...


GravatarOur society can't stand the thought of socialized medicine, but socialized corporations are just fine. Bailouts anyone? Bear? Freddie? Fannie? How about you, the Lehman brothers?


GravatarI remember what a fool Tony Snow looked like when he tried to use the word "bupkis"


GravatarHe believes that American families should be able to choose what their insurance covers.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

-- Insurance Industry


GravatarOur society can't stand the thought of socialized medicine, but socialized corporations are just fine. Bailouts anyone? Bear? Freddie? Fannie? How about you, the Lehman brothers?
foolme1ns


Whining fannies!


GravatarNow, correct me if I'm wrong, but part of why Tony was such a force was because he really shook up the press office in terms of getting facts to the American people.

Yes. the press office still had a sort of vestigial idea that facts should be communicated, that facts should be involved in the pressers. Snow corrected them,.

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GravatarWhiners. Pussies. Crybabies. This is not a recession, it's a liquidity trap.


GravatarWhen you're in SF, make sure to check out the WPA murals in Coit Tower.

And, on a somewhat related note, there are three major works by Diego Rivera that are pretty well hidden - a mural in the former Pacific Stock Exchange building, one at the SF Art Institute, and the biggie, his contribution to the Pan-Am Expo on Treasure Island in '39-40, which is now housed at SF City College.

Rivera, btw, was Frida Kahlo's husband, if you've never heard of him before...


GravatarYou're wrong. Distorting "facts" was his [Snow's] specialty.
Lime Rickey


E.g., Cheney and Libby had nothing, nothing at all, to do with the outing of Valerie Plame, who was not, by the way, covert.

I regret his death, but that doesn't change his history as a mendacious hawker of fantasy.


GravatarExploiting peasants is hard work if they aren't starving.


GravatarPFOTENHAUER: Then you should be able to purchase a program that has the things that you decide is important to you.

Is getting hit by a bus more important than getting bit by a mosquito and contracting malaria?


GravatarCan We Just All Be Human One Saturday Morning?

"War criminals are our friends!"

Fuck you, you hateful, stupid cunt.


GravatarDrive down the Columbia river gorge east on HWY 14 on the Washington side.

Just past Wishram you can look east and south and you will see the hills are now just packed with giant wind mills making electricity. There you will see a cool view of John Day dam with the hills above the gorge filled with wind generators. You'll also see trains on either side and tugboats on the river.


GravatarOur society can't stand the thought of socialized medicine, but socialized corporations are just fine.

Because we are the product of many, many years of corporations conditioning us against socialized medicine and for socialized corporations.

If advertising didn't work, it wouldn't exist.

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GravatarPFOTENHAUER is very scary and sort of a clone of Cindy.


GravatarI regret his death...

Honest to God, I don't. He got what he deserved. I wish Bush and Cheney the same, but longer and more painful.


GravatarTo quote SC Thor, and perhaps many others, today's GOP is all about privatizing the profits and socializing the risks and losses.

Krugman's gonna have a field day with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac come Monday.


GravatarAnd, on a somewhat related note, there are three major works by Diego Rivera that are pretty well hidden - a mural in the former Pacific Stock Exchange building, one at the SF Art Institute, and the biggie, his contribution to the Pan-Am Expo on Treasure Island in '39-40, which is now housed at SF City College.

Rivera, btw, was Frida Kahlo's husband, if you've never heard of him before...


thanks for those tips...I remember when Kahlo was know as Diego Rivera's wife! And have you heard my Diego Rivera story? I don't want to repeat myself.


GravatarAmericans didn't know about successes on the ground in Iraq

Schools were painted!


GravatarNow, correct me if I'm wrong, but part of why Tony was such a force was because he really shook up the press office in terms of getting facts to the American people.

Waterboarding is too fucking good for this goddam tool.


Gravatar"socialized medicine and for socialized corporations."

Every time the socialism meme gets pulled out, I ask the person if they have bought their personal Stop Sign lately?


GravatarI was wanting to drop by and criticize Obama for his extreme policy shifts, but I know it would just be a cover for my racism.


GravatarCan We Just All Be Human One Saturday Morning?

*blink**blink*

(double checks the URL here)

Oh, the humanity.

Well... I think it is a tragedy he died before he realized he was a tool and not knowing that being a tool is a BAD THING!


GravatarI remember when Kahlo was know as Diego Rivera's wife!

I was being snarky... we just saw the big Frida show at SFMOMA.

I haven't heard the Diego story!


GravatarAmericans didn't know about successes on the ground in Iraq

Schools were painted!


And lots of dead brown people thanks to American tobacco products!


GravatarWhy don't you criticize McSame for HIS policy shifts instead?


GravatarTrademark Dave: we're just gonna disagree about this.

I would be delighted for Bush and Cheney to wind up in a small cell for the next thousand years. I don't wish for their deaths.


Gravatar[I was just wondering if having two different K Lo references in this thread would cause a troll surge.]


GravatarLots of people die every day. I can think of about ten thousand of them I'll regret today before I regret Tony Snow's death. Starting with those at the receiving end of America's imperialistic war.


Gravatardood's dead.


GravatarI've never seen this site before-

Media Transparency

The money behind the conservative media

http://www.mediatransparency.org...y.php? storyID=5

It appears they do an excellent job of following the money.


GravatarBTW, the Frida show in SF had a side exhibit about her and Diego's travels in San Francisco... some nice photos and historical info.


GravatarOur society can't stand the thought of socialized medicine

1. Socialized medicine is a conservative, so it is intended to be misleading and distortive.

2. Our society is very familiar and comfortable with the thought of government involvement in medicine. We have county and state hospitals (it is private hospitals that are relatively new in concept); we are familiar with VA and military hospitals. If asked to name a famous hospital, most Americans would know the names of Walter Reed and Bethesda.


Gravatarthe US military is the largest socialized program in history; only the fucking idiots don't get it...ohh wait, we are a nation of idiots.


GravatarHell is indeed getting crowded.


GravatarI was wanting to drop by and criticize Obama for his extreme policy shifts, but I know it would just be a cover for my racism.

No, it would just be an example of your obstinate desire to annoy people who have good reason to really, truly dislike you.


GravatarI would be delighted for Bush and Cheney to wind up in a small cell for the next thousand years. I don't wish for their deaths.

I wish for them to be in that cell for a thousand years suffering every day from the disease that will eventually kill them on the day they're released.

I don't apologize.


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Rivera, btw, was Frida Kahlo's husband, if you've never heard of him before...


Also did some amazing murals in the library at Dartmouth College. My dad was a grad student there when I was a kid, and some of the apocalypse-themed art used to scare the shit out of me...


GravatarLet's not give the trolls any ammo. It's sad he's dead, but he was not a saint. Not by a long shot. 53 is too young to die. My grandfather passed at 55. It's very tough.


GravatarLet's see...who helped or hindered humanity...Tony Snow...or Dr. Michael DeBakey?


GravatarSchools were painted!
Moe Szyslak
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and then blown up


GravatarAmericans didn't know about successes on the ground in Iraq



We are successfully positioned to protect the big oil companies while they rape the oil profits from Iraqi lands. That's one success.

The Army successfully contracted for fast food franchises in Baghdad.

Hmm....

Gee, the list of successes is getting awful short.


GravatarI regret his death...

I regret his illness. His death was a merciful release.


GravatarAl-Maliki asked us to leave.


GravatarFound 4 grants containing the phrase "Amity Shlaes"
For a total of $1,257,500


http:// www.mediatransparency.org...archresults.php


GravatarIt's sad he's dead

Why is it any sadder than the people listed in the obits today in my local daily?

Arguably, it's much less sadder.


GravatarI was just about to post that a real saint, Dr. Michael DeBakey had passed as well. We're losing too many good ones.


GravatarIt's sad he's dead

No, it's not.


GravatarWe are successfully positioned to protect the big oil companies while they rape the oil profits from Iraqi lands. That's one success.

5 minutes after US soldiers leave, Iraq re-nationalizes the oil.

So, when you ask "When do the troops come home?", the answer is "About one Friedman after the oil runs out"......

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GravatarThumper, a potato yanked your search string on that grant link.


GravatarI wonder just how many on the 'right' are wishing it was Scott McClellan instead of Snow?


GravatarSo I wake this morning to learn that the "Obama's gonna sponsor a NASCAR driver" rumor is BS. Imagine that. And people we're getting so worked up about it.


GravatarJust past Wishram you can look east and south and you will see the hills are now just packed with giant wind mills making electricity.

Anyone ever done the math on how many windmills it would take to change the wind patterns? TANSTAAFL, and all...


GravatarSignage idea for next McCain townhall. (Warning, be prepared to be removed post haste along with your 1st amendment rights)

McCain=Bush Corporate Socialists


Gravatarplantsman's still alive?! I thought he killed himself last night over his icebox.


GravatarI regret his illness. His death was a merciful release.

Yes.

On a lighter note, I'm finally able to download the latest iPod Touch software.


GravatarI was being snarky... we just saw the big Frida show at SFMOMA.

I saw it in Philly.
Anyway, Diego Rivera story:
Some family friends I know got married & went to Mexico City for their honeymoon in the early '50's, maybe 1952. They were at the big art museum there, and as they were wandering through the galleries, they heard whistling off in the distance, and being longtime leftists, they recognized the tune was the Internationale. Eventually they found the room the whistling originated in, and it was Rivera, up on a scaffold, touching up one of his murals.


GravatarHow often do the American soldiers in Iraq get to eat Middle Eastern food?


GravatarI would be delighted for Bush and Cheney to wind up in a small cell for the next thousand years. I don't wish for their deaths.


To quote one of my favorite blues players, Mr. Hooker, Sir John:

"Serve you right to suffer.

Serve you right.

You gon' live a long time."


GravatarI hereby dub these the "TANSTAAFL Equations", because...well, just because.


GravatarIt's sad for his family. That we can all agree on. It's sad that he died at 53. I didn't like the guy at all and thought he was a mendacious twit, but I have empathy for his family. You can't judge the kids by the idiot parents or the parents by the idiot kids. I'm sure Toby's parents are quite nice.


Gravataryes, I'm still alive; and you're still a turd.


GravatarAnyone ever done the math on how many windmills it would take to change the wind patterns?

Just one.

Every time you take a step outdoors you change the wind patterns. Not enough to make any difference, of course. Same with windmills.


GravatarWe are so damn conditioned to follow the do not speak ill of the dead routine.

Along with the bear no grudges routine as well.

I gave up those concepts a long time ago.

If a person enables an evil or corrupt process willingly, then whatever good they may have done is nullified. A proper eulogy would note both good and bad and then those attending can decide for themselves.

And bearing a grudge to me is a survival trait. Forgiveness comes hard and must be earned along with trust.


GravatarDamn strings...

Go here and do a search for Amity Shlaes
http://www.mediatransparency.org...org/ default.php


GravatarForget Tony Snow, and say goodbye to "Scarlett O'Hara's Younger Sister," Evelyn Keyes...

...or maybe Beat artist Bruce Conner...

...or founder of Benihana, Rocky Aoki...

All sorts of folks dropping off everyday...


GravatarKarma isn't a supernatural thing; it's an ethical thing. When you debase yourself through hatred for others, you are actually fucking yourself out of all that's good abt life.

So keep it up, hippies.


GravatarThe math used would for these equations would of course, be Tanstaafulus. Or maybe Tanstaafanometry...


Gravatarplantsman's still alive?! I thought he killed himself last night over his icebox.
Toby Petzold


Tobes

It's "refrigerator". Icebox is an antiquated term.


GravatarSad for the family. He's age reminded me that my grandparents died within a year of each other at a similar age. A little projecting on my part. Sorry about that.


GravatarGeorge Buggs III. His death I regret. And the fucking shitheel of a president should too. George Buggs died March 23, 2003 in Nasiriyah.


GravatarHell is indeed getting crowded.

Jesse Helms will be able to show Tony around.


GravatarECT:

And bearing a grudge to me is a survival trait.

No, it's a suicidal trait.


GravatarToby talking about karma. heh.


GravatarMy 20 y.o. didn't whine last night when he got home from the bank and they wouldn't cash his paycheck from the Chevy dealership he works for because, as the teller said, "it will bounce." Of course he lives at home and basically only saw beer/gas money delayed for a few days. He's also perceptive enough to recognize that his co-workers with families to support are in the same boat, and the consequences for them ARE something to whine about.


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GravatarEvery time you take a step outdoors you change the wind patterns. Not enough to make any difference, of course.

Then I will continue to go outdoors.


Gravatar...or maybe Beat artist Bruce Conner...

That is sad...


GravatarWhen you debase yourself through hatred for others, you are actually fucking yourself out of all that's good abt life.


When you talk about hate, you need to look in the mirror.


GravatarActually, more and more it's like an icebox than a fridge.


GravatarMy 20 y.o. didn't whine last night when he got home from the bank and they wouldn't cash his paycheck from the Chevy dealership he works for because, as the teller said, "it will bounce."

That's fooked up!


GravatarGimlet, I don't believe in homogenizing my diction to satisfy some horseshit standard observed by the likes of you. I believe in persisting with what works for me as a Southerner.

Eat shit.


GravatarIt's "refrigerator". Icebox is an antiquated term.

I don't want no ice man,
I'm gonna buy me a frigidaire,
when I move way out on the outskirts of town.


GravatarI hate when a paycheck bounces. Had that happen a few times over the years.


GravatarEat shit.


SHIT - IT'S WHAT'S FOR TOBES' BREAKFAST


Gravatar
Jesse Helms will be able to show Tony around.


"And when you need a break from getting fucked in the ass by Roy Cohn, you're welcome to sit in the lounge and blow Nixon."


GravatarBilly, you are a banal sack of it.

Now, let's talk abt Obama's fundraising. It looks like he's going into a tailspin. Independents are walking away from him because he's a unprincipled renegist.


GravatarI live in filthy squalor


GravatarSad for the family

They should go someone and mourn, and get off the damn Eschaton comment thread.

If we have to regret and and say nice things about someone who's died, here's a much more worthy, local woman: Sounds like a nice lady. Why aren't we talking about her?


BARR, Shirley Evelyn - 78, Truro/Shubenacadie, passed away in Colchester Regional Hospital, Truro, July 10, 2008. Born in Dutch Settlement, she was a daughter of the late Reuben Richard and Lillian Marshall (Ashley) Isenor. Shirley was a faithful member of St. James Anglican Church and ACW in Shubenacadie, a volunteer at Colchester Stroke Club in Truro for 15 years in several capacities, a charter member of the Shubenacadie Lionettes, and was an active member in the community. Surviving are her husband, Norman; daughter, Sharon Pineo, Shubenacadie; son, Wayne (Kim), Truro; grandchildren, Jennifer (Dave), Pam (Jason) Sutherland, both of Shubenacadie; Kevin (Felicia) Pineo, Charlottetown; great-grandchildren, Luke, Emma and Darian; brother, Ronald (Una), Dutch Settlement; niece, Heather (Tommy), and nephew, Todd. She was predeceased by an infant brother and sister, and son-in-law, George. Cremation has taken place under the direction of Ettinger Funeral Home, Shubenacadie. No visitation by Shirley's request. Funeral 3 p.m. Monday, July 14, in St. James Anglican Church, Shubenacadie, Rev. Lloyd Ripley officiating. Burial in Brookside Cemetery, Mill Village. Family flowers only. Donations in memory of Shirley may be made to Brookside Cemetery, St. James Anglican Church or a charity of your choice. Family and friends may leave written messages and sign the guest book at: www.Mem.com


GravatarGimlet, I don't believe in homogenizing my diction to satisfy some horseshit standard observed by the likes of you. I believe in persisting with what works for me as a Southerner.


Gimlet is a Southerner.

You are an affected piece of shit.


GravatarI don't believe in homogenizing my diction to satisfy some horseshit standard observed by the likes of you.

Put down the gun; it was just the ice maker making ice.


GravatarGoogle my name


GravatarShorter moronic brownshirt fuck: I burn dogs because I love!


GravatarIndependents are walking away from him because Phil Gramm has such a big heart.


GravatarIrritable today Tobes?

Not enough sleep? Short on cash? The nigras getting you down? Say do you have a "woodpile"?


GravatarDave, I own your ass. Why do you lie abt putting me in the killfile?


GravatarOh, now you believe the Newsweek Poll?


GravatarRuth Greenglass died a little bit ago.  She and her husband had been living under pseudonyms since the troubles of course, so her death was not noticed until a court filing revealed it.


GravatarI believe in persisting with what works for me as a Southerner.

Spoken by a Texan to a Charlestonian. Only one of whom is a Southerner and it ain't the lying coward west of the Mississippi.


GravatarHee hee. Enjoy the fall, sissies. You signed on to something that will not work and now you get to suck on it.


GravatarHi, friend.


GravatarOf all the descriptions one might apply to me, banal is not one of them.


GravatarWha' Hoppen to angelic karma troll?


GravatarToday's so-called "progressives" want to see the end of Southernism. They are fearful of the American spirit and mistakenly believe that their totalitarianism will triumph in the end.

Just say no to yankees and Californios.


GravatarBugs=toby


GravatarHere's a good example of why McCain and the right wing anti-tax nutjobs are going to lose the election:

http://www.elkodaily.com/article...news/ apple1.txt

Notice the amazing juxtaposition of the article and the ad above it.

And notice the statement: "More than $2 million was cut Friday in the latest round of budget reductions ordered by Gov. Jim Gibbons in the wake of what state historian Guy Rocha says is the worst economy in Nevada since the Great Depression."

So let the Conservatives continue with the "it's all in your mind" bs. Things are very different on the ground in reality.


GravatarToby, it's July -- and you're not clairvoyant.


GravatarCalifornia is the most populous State in The Union and never seceeded.


GravatarHee hee. Enjoy the fall, sissies. You signed on to something that will not work and now you get to suck on it.


Says the punk with the alligator mouth and the hummingbird ass.


Gravatarsheets


Gravatar"Southernism"?


Gravatar It's sad that he died at 53.

IIRC Hitler was only 1 year older than Snow when he died -- and he'd just gotten married. Was that sad?


Gravatarjeffs,

Nice touch on my Gov. Gibbons. I would add to that: he indirectly put pressure on a tax assessor to deem his 40 acre Lamoille Canyon property ($575K) which fronts the Ruby mountains, agricultural based on the fact that it used to be part of a ranch, rather than the requirment that it had to generate $5000 from agriculture use, which it didn't.

Lamoille Canyon is in Elko county and those tax assessments go to schools among other things. Instead of the $5000 he was expected to owe, he paid $15.


GravatarMs. Shlaes wrote, "Social Security and Medicare also need rewriting...." Replace "rewriting" with "destroying," to capture the essence of Shlaes-think.


Gravatar"I love the Amity Shlaes bathroom cam footage"-Fred Hiatt


GravatarOK, too me the clincher was the bio at the bottom:

"Amity Shlaes is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of "The Forgotten Man." She recently spoke at a meeting hosted by the Mercatus Center and the Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is chaired by Wendy Gramm, wife of Phil Gramm."

Jeez, all it takes is a one meeting honorarium to buy a WaPo Op-Ed humjob?


GravatarSpeaking of the WaPo, how about the op-ed Thursday complaining about calumny on the internet: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...8070901937.html

Yes, the WaPo and Rupert Murdoch would like to see the nasty bloggers restrained, so that the only news and opinion come from the responsible newspapers and cable TV (and maybe before long only from Murdoch).


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