I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
a1
sessions is a jet
cause every pr is a lousy chicken....
jeff s.
and we aint kiddin'
of course, I didnt read the post.
i wonder if more people are buying west side story.
Good evening....
she never said a wise latina would render a better decision....
that is not accurate....
she said something about hoping that would be the case.
I could hope that the world would be peaceful...wouldnt mean i believe it.
hey, buds.
That sounds about right.
Not to state the obvious but they ARE bitter old white men afraid of losing power.
the smear jobs just aint working anymore. what to do, what to do...
I hate Sarah Palin because she wants to create AmeriKKKan jobs and defend this shithole but I mostly hate her because she gave birth to that retard instead of getting an abortion
While reading the Rude One just now, the thought crossed my mind that the reason Sessions et al are such relentless assholes about trying to pin down Sotomayor on racist tendencies is that they simply cannot imagine a human being who isn't afflicted with racist tendencies.
hey dummy didnt you read my comment? you see those hearings? THE SMEAR JOBS
ARENT WORKING
fuck off, buttle
Yeah, ok, they've been coming across that way to us for decades. Had opposing counsel call me by the diminutive of my name -- which diminutive I have NEVER used professionally -- just last week.
I wanted to respond, "Dear Bobby," . . . . but THAT would be rude.
sallyh-
Glad to hear you had a great time with Maddie.
bitter old white men? in the u.s.?
i am shocked
Does the Republican senator think it is amusing that he and his party's condescending tone toward the Hispanic woman was costing them ethnic votes with each passing hour of Tuesday's Judiciary Committee hearing?
They're throwing down everything for spite. I'll be happy to see more DFH's in congress in 2010.
The vile maggot Jayuff Sayshuns very much deserves to lose power, and die alone and forgotten.
Craig "Chuckles" Crawford - why the hell he's always laughin' about everything he says is beyond me. He's like a Southern John Madden.
low point--
"and I have friends who hunt.
dont you know they want guns so they can shoot federal agents when the facism comes?
google branch davidian
In 1986, Sessions was nominated for a federal judgeship by President Ronald Reagan. The nomination was killed by the Senate Judiciary Committee, which refused by a 9-9 vote[3] to let the nomination come to the Senate floor for a vote. Sessions's opponents accused him of "gross insensitivity” on racial issues.[4] Sessions allegedly made a variety of comments that opponents pointed to, when he jokingly said that the Ku Klux Klan was not so bad until he found out that some of them smoked marijuana.[2][4] Sessions also allegedly referred to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) as "un-American" and "Communist-inspired" because they "forced civil rights down the throats of people." At his confirmation hearings, Sessions said that the groups could be un-American when "they involve themselves in un-American positions" in foreign policy.[4][4] Sessions claimed that the remarks had been made in jest.[2][4] One of those voting against him was Democratic Senator Howell Heflin of Alabama.
Jeff "Davis" Sessions - a typical good ol' boy from Cracker-ville. Your modern GOP.
Twelve people tortured, slain and dumped along a mountain road in a drug-plagued Mexican state were off-duty federal agents, an official said Tuesday. It is one of boldest attacks on federal forces since President Felipe Calderon launched his national war on drugs.
The war on drugs is really working super well.
the repubs that are in it for the money and the power are watching this shit and throwing up in their mouths.
goodbye southwest! we'll just make do with georgia and mississippi and alabama!
What bill said They're sure women and minorities want to treat them the way that they've been treating women and minorities
Could any of you all imagine what this country would turn into if 12 FBI agents were found on the side of the road tortured and murdered by drug gangs here?
Late summer flowers, and my shoe, at the homepage.
What bill said They're sure women and minorities want to treat them the way that they've been treating women and minorities
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I'm neither a woman nor a minority, and I'd LOVE to treat them like they've treated women and minorities.
But then again, I'm a DFH.
Oooo, Crawford told the truth! Wingnuts, ATTACK!
they found iirc dozens of immigrants dead, locked up in a truck in the desert, and nothing much has changed, afaict
Brings kitteh.
Sessions allegedly made a variety of comments
Allegedly? The dumbfucktard admitted it.
bitter old SHRINKING REGIONAL white men
actually, i wonder how many cops here work for gangs. some new orleans cops were hit men in their down time.
Plushies are what helps keep me sane these days.
That, and the good folks of the comments section at Eschaton.
This will shock every body. That birther who is the Major who is refusing to go to Afghanistan because Obama was born in Africa is a long time freeper.
Sessions and Graham: They'll pry our nunchucks from our cold dead fingers!
What bill said They're sure women and minorities want to treat them the way that they've been treating women and minorities
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
To that I'll amend my previous comment to include racist and chauvinist tendencies
That, and the good folks of the comments section at Eschaton.
We're working to change that
what we have here is a failure to communicate
That birther who is the Major
Court Martial the asshole. Then he can get a job at Quikie Mart on the nightshift
That birther who is the Major who is refusing to go to Afghanistan because Obama was born in Africa is a long time freeper.
Two words: Court. Martial.
Gotta make an example of them. Otherwise, morale breaks down.
Or, just tell everybody he's gaii.
the repubs that are in it for the money and the power
I loved you for your beauty.
That doesn't make a fool of me.
You were in it for your beauty, too.
~Leonard Cohen
Sessions and Graham: They'll pry our nunchucks from our cold dead fingers!
cosmosis the shodan
Given the level of idiocy involved, the injuries will be self-inflicted.
Good evening, all.
http://jezebel.com/5313789/jimmy...is-so-
important
Extra large Squishie to cosmosis.
That birther who is the Major who is refusing to go to Afghanistan because Obama was born in Africa is a long time freeper.
Poor deluded mook's going to be breaking rocks for a long, long time. Too bad his att'y won't be doing so, as well. Or at least losing her bar license.
Loud Obbs:
Would you trust your senator or congressman with a secret?
Yes
No
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/
yeah court martial him. and interrogate him to see if he knows anything about right wing terrorism. it would be irresponsible not to.
Just curious, *I've been gone for a while* are we still girding our loins?
The missus is making turkee reubens for dinner this evening. Must be off to consume mass quantities.
Please spit an extra loogie on the trolls for me.
So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when th e convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service. This was in conflict with my belief - confirmed in the holy scriptures - that we are all equal in the eyes of God.
May the Goddess bless Jimmy Carter.
Just curious, *I've been gone for a while* are we still girding our loins?
bill
Griding our lions, now.
Does the Republican senator think it is amusing that he and his party's condescending tone toward the Hispanic woman was costing them ethnic votes with each passing hour of Tuesday's Judiciary Committee hearing?
They don't get it - they never will.
That birther who is the Major who is refusing to go to Afghanistan because Obama was born in Africa is a long time freeper.
Why does he hate America?
May the Goddess bless Jimmy Carter.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I'll drink to that!
theyre probably all racists tho, down deep.
Does the Republican senator think it is amusing that he and his party's condescending tone toward the Hispanic woman was costing them ethnic votes with each passing hour of Tuesday's Judiciary Committee hearing?
They don't get it - they never will.
It's worked for them for @, conservatively, 4,500 years. They can't believe the patriarchy won't survive forever.
Dinosaurs figured they could just stomp on those furry, fast-moving things, as well.
"So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when th e convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service. This was in conflict with my belief - confirmed in the holy scriptures - that we are all equal in the eyes of God."
And the American people chose that old bastard Reagan over this man.
How stupid!
we're gonna be in the WH, the Courts and even the fuckin' pools ... didn't they get the memo?
theyre probably all racists tho, down deep.
ain't so deep (Allen's macaca moment).
They are coming across as a bunch of snarky and bitter old white men who cannot bear the thought of their kind losing power. - Atrios 18:59
Wonder if Hecate ever noticed this?
yeah, re carter. keeps doing the right thing, altho he might have done this earlier. the sbc, originating in racism, has been drifting even further rightward in recent years.
I go to read about Jimmy Carter and get sidetracked on women and their 7 stall crimes.
They are coming across as a bunch of snarky and bitter old white men who cannot bear the thought of their kind losing power. - Atrios 18:59
Is the Book of Atrios in the Old or the New Testament?
I believe the statistic is 53% of all children this country under the age of 5 are minorities.
Roughly, that means that 53% are minorities, and 23.5% are white females. These numbers will continue to grow. Well, at least 23.5% of these kids are white males. Except some of them will be gay, or liberal.
The Republicans are truly fucked.
Their base continues to shrink. Angry white men are yesterday's news.
it's found in the supertrain scrolls, found in an abandoned tunnel below penn station.
we're gonna be in the WH, the Courts and even the fuckin' pools ... didn't they get the memo?
We're going to be their bosses, their doctors, their executors. We're going to enforce the laws against them, control the money, decide what form marriage takes, allow all forms of birth control, deny them control over our uterii, decide whether or not they get sex, and, generally, stop taking their shit. And they really, really, really hate it. Jeff Sessions really hates it. It makes him break out in hives.
The Major who is refusing to go to Afghanistan because Obama was born in Africa
Let's see -- what do they call people who persist in believing something is true despite all sorts of evidence to the contrary?
Ah yes - delusional.
Tweety: The Associate Press has done something wonderful. They've taken what people have said during the hearings and translated them for us.
Oh boy.
"Their base continues to shrink. Angry white men are yesterday's news."
--trifecta
What he said.
OT: The Day The Music Died - RIP WBCN
(A faceless corporate rock entity for at least the last decade, but a great station in its day. Home of Oedipus, Charles Laquidara, Danny Schecter, and the young Peter Wolf - who honed his "woofa goofa" persona there...)
http://www.facebook.com/ext/shar...&u=HDQlj&
ref=nf
Lou Dobbs just took the bark off Sotomayer. Kicked her halfway into the next century, exposed her as a puerto rica fraud. Dobbs is becoming a powerful voice for the Right. If Republicans bore in tomorrow with the right questions, they can finish her off and turn this into defeat for Obama.
yeah, re carter. keeps doing the right thing, altho he might have done this earlier. the sbc, originating in racism, has been drifting even further rightward in recent years. - pretzel
Meanwhile, though it's not the bravest of moves, the Episcopal Church lightens up a bit.
The Republicans are truly fucked.
They secretly love it that way.
They are coming across as a bunch of snarky and bitter old white men who cannot bear the thought of their kind losing power. - Atrios 18:59
Wonder if Hecate ever noticed this?
bo, Tincture of Ignore! | 07.14.09 - 7:27 pm | #
Lucky for me, I have Atrios to point it out.
(Kidding, A-man! Kidding.)
oh im sure the repubs will be boring tomorrow, oh trollish one. that's the only part you got right.
Comment by Barbarian Heretic blocked.
I repeat: What do they call people who persist in believing something is true despite all sorts of evidence to the contrary?
Ah yes - delusional.
Barbarian Heretic sounds boringly like Sonny Ablaza.
trifecta: This will shock every body. That birther who is the Major who is refusing to go to Afghanistan because Obama was born in Africa is a long time freeper.
That DOES shock me. I thought freepers hid out in Mom's basement, and never enlisted.
.
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. Good Evening.....
.
Sonny ablaze? I'm for it.
BarbieDoll Hairytick?
What kinda nym is that?
Afternoon/evening good people.
Well, I certainly hope there's room for mild-mannered white guys who could stand a touch of improvement, but on the whole aren't the worst people in the world, in this new era...
barbarian heritic sounds like my aunt.
and, generally, stop taking their shit. And they really, really, really hate it.
This makes me smile. Big, shit eating grin on my wiseass female face right now, as a matter of fact.
Well, ye-aaaaaah.....
BarbieDoll Hairytick?
What kinda nym is that?
Afternoon/evening good people.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Worst pron name. evah.
The Republicans are truly fucked.
They secretly love it that way.
JT
Oh, Yes!!!!!! With diapers on and a plug, or better, up my ass.
I for one am a sweet old white man. A bit tart at times, maybe...
House insurance bill looks pretty good.
Got to keep the pressure on the Senate.
Worst pron name. evah.
Deacon Blues at Work
Why, thank you, Deacon.
Tweety [hearts] Ron Fournier.
heh barbiedoll hairytick
Had opposing counsel call me by the diminutive of my name -- which
diminutive I have NEVER used professionally -- just last week.
I wanted to respond, "Dear Bobby," . . . . but THAT would be rude.
Dr. GWPDA was always addressed by her given name, even while her colleagues were addressed by their titles.....
REVENGE.
NOV 2010.
NOV 2012.
somehow i dont think of the episcopalians having their own fundies, but i guess they do.
heh barbiedoll hairytwat
Oooooh - calabacitas to-morrow. Fresh little yellow crookneck squashies, new corn, tomatoes, little pig sausages.... Calabacitas!
In 1986, Sessions was nominated for a federal judgeship by President Ronald Reagan. The nomination was killed by the Senate Judiciary Committee, which refused by a 9-9 vote to let the nomination come to the Senate floor for a vote. Sessions' opponents accused him of "gross insensitivity” on racial issues.Sessions allegedly made a variety of comments that opponents pointed to, when he jokingly said that the Ku Klux Klan was not so bad until he found out that some of them smoked marijuana. Sessions also allegedly referred to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) as "un-American" and "Communist-inspired" because they "forced civil rights down the throats of people." At his confirmation hearings, Sessions said that the groups could be un-American when "they involve themselves in un-American positions" in foreign policy. Sessions claimed that the remarks had been made in jest. One of those voting against him was Democratic Senator Howell Heflin of Alabama.
Jeff "Davis" Sessions - a typical good ol' boy from Cracker-ville. Your modern GOP.
General Zod
They say the most horrible, hateful shit and when they're called on it, they claim it was a "joke."
Sick mo fo's.
And wouldn't you know it was Ronnie RayGun who nominated him.
with green chile? i think all foods can be improved with green chile.
Got to keep the pressure on the Senate.
Shared Humanity
Actual filibuster with actual cloture vote.
How about that?
a hard working white | 07.14.09 - 7:36 pm
EPIC
FAIL!!!
"They are coming across as a bunch of snarky and bitter old white men who cannot bear the thought of their kind losing power."
Not according to Chris Wallace on Fox. But then Wallace is a wanker who loves all repig talking points.
They are coming across as a bunch of snarky and bitter old white men who cannot bear the thought of their kind losing power.
The optics on this were always going to be horrible for the Gang of Pigs.
Picture a bunch of ancient, rich, goitered white men yelling "She's the real racist!" at a woman of color who worked hard and made something of herself.
Couldn't they see how that would look?
Pfui, thank furry fuck they are so blinded by prejudice that they miss things so simple. May they enjoy their years in the wilderness.
Dr. GWPDA was always addressed by her given name, even while her colleagues were addressed by their titles.....
I just won't put up with it. I won't. My name isn't Deborah, but this guy sent me an email and said: Hi, Debbie! Can you please send me a copy of what you filed today?
Well, no; no I can't because my name isn't Debbie, you fucking asshole. He didn't get the pleading and he did get a smack and I'll do it again until he gets the message. Fuck you "Bobby"
little pig sausages.... Calabacitas!
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace
/faints.
Actual filibuster with actual cloture vote.
How about that?
Lynx
You're scaring Harry Reid.
with green chile? i think all foods can be improved with green chile.
Unstated, but understood. Along with Grand Canyon Sweet onions....
Sonny ablaze? I'm for it.
Deacon Blues at Work
Works for me.
pretzel,
Oh, we do, but not for long. They will schism off yet again.
They're sure women and minorities want to treat them the way that they've been treating women and minorities
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 7:13 pm | #
My first reaction is that nobody could be that stupid but it seems this is the only reasonable explanation. The Republicans obviously want to regain power and must be doing what they do to that end. Can you be so unaware as to not get the damage that your behavior is causing the party?
a hard wanking white
How about some truth in advertising?
Well, no; no I can't because my name isn't Debbie, you fucking asshole.
He didn't get the pleading and he did get a smack and I'll do it again
until he gets the message. Fuck you "Bobby"
Aren't you the secretary? Intent on making Bobby's life easier? Bad Little Gurllllllllll
Well, no; no I can't because my name isn't Debbie, you fucking asshole. He didn't get the pleading and he did get a smack and I'll do it again until he gets the message. Fuck you "Bobby"
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I am lighting a candle with a prayer that when the two of you come together in meat space you will be able to point out to him that his zipper is open.
a hard working white
At least he's got it right, people.
Hey, Sambo, go pick that cotton. Built the Capitol. And when you have time do everything else.
i wish all of them would schism off to antartica or something.
Chris Wallace on Fox.
Mike should have opted for blow jobs.
Couldn't they see how that would look?
I actually think this is a blind spot for them. It is the case with every prejudiced person. They simply do not get the affront.
Arthur tells me that it's time for DINNER. Who am I to disagree?
Craig Crawford is a partisan hack. Indeed, he's almost the epitome of that type.
I see some little girlllll is going thru the 'change.'
Arthur tells me that it's time for DINNER. Who am I to disagree? - GWPDA
Beats getting bitied again.
Aren't you the secretary? Intent on making Bobby's life easier?
No, I'm a "lady lawyer." You know, as opposed to the "real" kind. Any chance I get, I'm going to make "Bobby's" life a bit more difficult. And, I get a lot of chances. So I hope he enjoyed typing that email.
We're all on a first name basis in my office.
The first week I was there, opposing counsel in a case got real condescending to me on the phone.
My boss promptly called him and tore him a new one.
Just don't call him Artie Auntie. That is rude.
Chris Wallace on Fox.
Mike should have opted for blow jobs.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
Or dated the bathroom sink. And spared his wife.
"They are coming across as a bunch of snarky and bitter old white men who cannot bear the thought of their kind losing power."
like that 'Twilight Zone'-where they're the same but everyone else is different
.
From Jeff Sessions Wiki page
Sessions had unsuccessfully prosecuted three civil rights workers (including Albert Turner, a former aide to Martin Luther King, Jr.), on a case of election fraud for the 1984 election. Sessions spent hours interrogating African American voters in predominantly black counties, finding 14 allegedly tampered ballots out of approximately 1.7 million ballots cast. The three civil rights workers were acquitted after four hours of jury deliberation.[4]
Lindsey? Two-faced? Hypocritical? Who could say such a thing?
i think the republicans are going to split up, but i dont know about before 2012.
I actually think this is a blind spot for them. It is the case with every prejudiced person. They simply do not get the affront.
Hell, they don't get why Ice Cube can say "ni[CLANG!]" and they can't.
Well, I certainly hope there's room for mild-mannered white guys who could stand a touch of improvement, but on the whole aren't the worst people in the world, in this new era...
The bags for the cotton are down at the end of this row.
Huh! That lawyer is no lady.
Hecate,
could it be that opposing counsel is just trying to play stupid little games to get under your skin?
(Of course, you could always start calling him "Bobbie", and mention that until you saw him, you thought he just might be female, what with his gender-neutral name and all.)
Hecate, after listening to some of the recordings of the Sotomayor inquisition tonight, I would really like to kick some the senators in the teeth. Unbelievably disrespectful. They ask about things that they would never ask of a man.
.
.
I do love me the brain games.
Lindsey? Two-faced? Hypocritical? Who could say such a thing?
bo, Tincture of Ignore!
Fucking wingnut ads on TPM.
Sonia will be a very capable addition to the court.
I've avoided the snarky old white men all day and so still have an appetite for dinner, which, uncooperatively, ain't gonna cook itself. Later, bats...
Poor deluded mook's going to be breaking rocks for a long, long time.
I hear Leavenworth is lovely this time of year.
Hecate, after listening to some of the recordings of the Sotomayor inquisition tonight, I would really like to kick some the senators in the teeth. Unbelievably disrespectful. They ask about things that they would never ask of a man.
mer
They just don't like women.
Particularly non-white ones.
Well, I certainly hope there's room for mild-mannered white guys who could stand a touch of improvement, but on the whole aren't the worst people in the world, in this new era...
of course there's roo ... but first, how 'bout a little song?
i wonder if his lawyer will plead insanity.
Honey! I just got a great deal on a four-star hotel at Priceline!
I would really like to kick some the senators in the teeth.
I think you should set your sights a little lower, no?
In 1948 the blight of the Democratic Party took offense at what Senator Hubert H. Humphrey said in his "Plea For Human Rights" speech and split away from the party forming the "Dixiecrats." thus began the process of shifting the cancer of America from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.
I think its finally terminal.
I would really like to kick some the senators in the teeth.
Kick them once.
There is no education in the second kick.
basically, to survive, the repubs have to write off the fundy south, and parts of the west. whether they would still be a national party, i dont know.
"he and his party's condescending tone toward the Hispanic woman was costing them ethnic votes with each passing hour"
the hispanic vote is no longer in play. mexican americans and caribbean americans vote overwhelmingly democratic. whether this is to their advantage or not is not clear. However, hispanic stuffed suit politicians have decided that they are better off casting their lot with blacks, regardless of how their constituents feel about it. single party republicodemocratic politics means that hispanic politicians don't have to worry about their constituents anyway.
could it be that opposing counsel is just trying to play stupid little games to get under your skin?
Ya think? Old white guys do this all the time.
Here's the thing. I can be a v cooperative person, or I can make you wait to get the pleading in snail mail. I can give you the extension you want, or I can sit on my rights. I can move to strike your bullshit paragraph or I can ignore it because the court will and save you the trouble of defending it. The entire bar in which I practice knows me. When they see me treating "Bobby" as an asshole, they know there's a reason.
Rendition Cheney.
You know he said it wasn't a crime.
I can't believe someone disrupted the hearing again today.
People that do that are jackasses.
i wonder if his lawyer will plead insanity.
pretzel
For defending him?
For defending him?
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 7:54 pm | #
dont they get appointed? im not sure how the military courts work.
I can't believe someone disrupted the hearing again today.
People that do that are jackasses.
Oddly enough, I fully support that, even when the people are on the "wrong" side.
i wonder if his lawyer will plead insanity.
pretzel
There probably is no insanity clause.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 7:52 pm|#
(choplick)
Hecate?
Take him down.
Make sure he knows why.
Oddly enough, I fully support that, even when the people are on the "wrong" side.
NTodd, Wise Latina
I knew that. I was just being clever.
There probably is no insanity clause.
Steeler Fan | 07.14.09 - 7:55 pm | #
in the ucmj? could be.
basically, to survive, the repubs have to write off the fundy south, and parts of the west. whether they would still be a national party, i dont know.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 7:52 pm | #
great advice. they should hire you as a political consultant.
or perhaps the democrats should write off blacks, hispanics, liberals, and single women. that's good advice too.
Roger Simon's multiple chins say: Sarah Palin was a good campaigner. She wasn't like the dog who pees all over the carpet.
Go away Elias
And I fully recognize that I'm sitting on the shoulders of giants. Twenty years ago, I'd have had to take this shit. Today, I don't. Thank you, women who went before me.
Go away, sebs.
uh butler, the democrats won. when you win, you are not forced to change your basic principles or strategy.
Roger Simon's multiple chins say: Sarah Palin was a good campaigner. She wasn't like the dog who pees all over the carpet.
JT
Sarah Palin is not like Puck.
She wasn't like the dog who pees all over the carpet.
JT
Dogs can be trained NOT to be pee all over the carpet.
I don't think Palin can be taught NOT to be a malignant narcissist.
basically, to survive, the repubs have to write off the fundy south, and parts of the west. whether they would still be a national party, i dont know.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 7:52 pm | #
--
And that would leave them with ... Guam ?
Almost time to watch worthless, overrated, washed-up Jason Bay trot out to left to start the All-Star game...
uh butler, the democrats won. when you win, you are not forced to change your basic principles or strategy.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 7:57 pm | #
actually, when you lose, you don't have to either. that's the thing about principles.
Indiana
A wise latina would serve no more than 3 tacos to me.
And that would leave them with ... Guam ?
Doug Watts | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 7:58 pm | #
i think they should all go off to be guest workers in that capitalist paradise. marianas islands, something like that.
T C - C B
FY2
Go away, sebs.
bo, Tincture of Ignore! | 07.14.09 - 7:57 pm | #
i like it here. but if my commentary is too out of the box for your taste, then by all means hide under the bed.
Almost time to watch worthless, overrated, washed-up Jason Bay trot out to left to start the All-Star game...
bill buckner
Useless Game. Useless sport.
Steeler Camp starts Aug. 1
Okay. Here's the grant 'project description.' Not bad.
Executive Summary
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And I fully recognize that I'm sitting on the shoulders of giants. Twenty years ago, I'd have had to take this shit. Today, I don't. Thank you, women who went before me.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
What Hecate said.
And that would leave them with ... Guam ?
Doug Watts
I like Guam on my tacos.
actually, when you lose, you don't have to either. that's the thing about principles.
sebs | 07.14.09 - 7:58 pm | #
of course you dont. just look at the flat earth society. sure, things haven't been going their way, lately, but you don't see them giving in on major points of doctrine.
When those asshats became Bush administration lapdogs, the die was cast.
Now that the bad stuff is coming to light, they're fucked (not that they still might not win re-election - depends how bad things get).
Tweety is worse than a giddy school girl tonight. Not sure if that's a good thing or not.
Roger Simon's multiple chins say: Sarah Palin was a good campaigner.
---
And Roger Clemens is a convincing liar.
And the Padres have a good chance to take the NL West.
And NTodd is not the official "token" hetero male in Code Pink.
If I sat on the shoulders of giants I'd have to be careful I did not fart.
Comment by Sarah Pay Lin blocked
I wouldn't give you the pleasure, dearie.
Tweety: You know what an arrogant lefty is like.
Roger Simon's multiple chins: Yes. I know some.
Thank you, women who went before me.
(Cracks newly-purchased LSAT guide...) Man, I hope I NEVER have to go up against Hecate down the road...
And NTodd is not the official "token" hetero male in Code Pink.
Doug Watts
Trivia: I have nothing that goes with pink.
of course you dont. just look at the flat earth society. sure, things haven't been going their way, lately, but you don't see them giving in on major points of doctrine.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 8:00 pm | #
principles are different from facts. facts change as science moves the boundaries of knowledge outward. principles should be substantially (though not completely) more static.
youre applying to law school, bill buckner?
I have been known not to play fair in litigation.
trool "out of the box here" = wingnut
of course you dont. just look at the flat earth society. sure, things haven't been going their way, lately, but you don't see them giving in on major points of doctrine.
pretzel
'Cause Jaysus and the Bible told me so....
Go away, sebs.
bo, Tincture of Ignore! |
Hey, mimi finished its shift; now it's sebs' turn.
Note the cute little change of nym to defend his whackoff fantasy girl.
And NTodd is not the official "token" hetero male in Code Pink.
He's involved with code pink?
yeah the repubs have sure embraced the science behind global warming. cause they're principle driven, ya know.
Thank you, women who went before me.
(Also, from the appellate judge on the 10th Circuit, appointed by Pres. Carter, trained at the Univ. of Tulsa - just like my Mummy!)
Jerry Falwell ,RIP
SO not missed.
And NTodd is not the official "token" hetero male in Code Pink. - Doug Watts
I tried out to be the official "tokin'" hetero male in Code Pink.
I never thought I'd detest Nina Totenberg as much as I do Steve Inskeep but I do listening to this Sotomayor wrap up on NPR.
She's drunk the Village Cool Aid.
A Steeler Fan? Clever?
[shits on yellow towel]
Albert Einstein just killfiled Sebs.
As did I.
[shits on yellow towel]
NTodd, Wise Latina
Dood. Throw salt over your shoulder.
I tried out to be the official "tokin'" hetero male in Code Pink.
But you were too baked to make it through the tryout?
Twenty years ago, I'd have had to take this shit. Today, I don't. Thank you, women who went before me.
Hecate is the poop troll?
yeah the repubs have sure embraced the science behind global warming. cause they're principle driven, ya know.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 8:03 pm | #
democrats are not any better. i was repeatedly screamed at here yesterday for suggesting that there was such a thing as IQ and that it mattered.
Shorter Sessions and Graham.
I think I saw David Gregory on the right.
Jerry Falwell ,RIP
Rot in place?
T C - C B
You know you want the sweet taste of a woman, 'fess up.
Useless Game. Useless sport.
Hey, it's not my fault that The Pirates have sucked since the "Cocaine All-Stars" era...
I need sub-titles.
I can't understand a word Sessions is saying.
But you were too baked to make it through the tryout? - NTodd, Wise Latina
eh, someone else will do it ...
Do I detect a certain asymmetry to Chris Wallace's face - one side manifesting a small stroke ... or is it just my shitty old TV set and the three beers? Not to be unkind or petty, of course.
Note the cute little change of nym to defend his whackoff fantasy girl.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 8:03 pm | #
please try to keep it civil.
Hey, it's not my fault that The Pirates have sucked since the "Cocaine All-Stars" era...
bill buckner
In other words - since the time of "that grounder"
She's drunk the Village Cool Aid.
Anthony McCarthy
So? Sotomayor is going to be confirmed.
Did someone call my name in vain???
i doubt this sebs. i dont think anyone here would dispute that there is such a thing as i.q. we've all taken the tests. as a professor used to say, i believe in prayer--i've seen people do it. now, as to what i.q. measures, there you might have a dispute.
youre applying to law school, bill buckner?
I am. At this time next year, I hope to be enrolled in Vermont Law School's Environmental Law program.
4Legs! Take out Brownback!
Grassley was especially awful. He's like Jimmy Stewart's psycho nephew.
You know you want the sweet taste of a woman,
(a) There's a 99% chance that YOU are not a woman; and
(b) I'm supposed to be insulted by being called gay WHY?
Okay, I'm done with this idiot troll.
facts change as science moves the boundaries of knowledge outward.
Fail.
l8ter sports fans
Funny how a leopard never changes its spots. Even in Hawaii with its secretary.
So? Sotomayor is going to be confirmed.
pie
Do they serve guacamole with fajitas?
eh, someone else will do it ...
Besides, you needed to finish that bowl of popcorn and M&Ms.
Coming around the greasemonkey, I am.
Speaking of good news on the religion front, I ♥ the Episcopal Church!
They kicked out the wingnuts and they ain't lookin' back!
cool! that sounds like a great idea, environmental law just seems like it will be more and more important.
please try to keep it civil.
sebs | 07.14.09 - 8:06 pm | #
You need to try to see both sides of our contempt and disdain for you.
repukes worried about blurring the lines between species!
Calling man-on-dog!
now, as to what i.q. measures, there you might have a dispute.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 8:07 pm | #
it measures intelligence. and intelligence is the most important predictor of success in just about all human endeavors.
Gotcha, Biatch!!!!!!!
I love how Judge Sotomayor is talking to the Repigs like the immature, spoiled children that they are.
Oh, jeez. I'm being stalked.
(yawn!)
Sister Sledge, Willie Stargel, funny stars on the baseball caps. Those were the times.
You need to try to see both sides of our contempt and disdain for you.
Toonscribe: domestic shorthair | 07.14.09 - 8:08 pm | #
i do. i can just about smell your fear of new ideas. that's why i am always civil. i know its hard for most people to have an open mind.
Do they serve guacamole with fajitas?
Steeler Fan
Is that a rhetorical ?
oh an iq true believer. i am just so shocked.
Hecate! Mer! Vicki Sallyh! This is who we are. Cheers, beloveds!
Is that a rhetorical ?
pie
Yep.
Ah, Jeff Sessions - reunexamining his unexamined privilege.
Hecate is the poop troll?
Everybody poops. Even witches.
They kicked out the wingnuts and they ain't lookin' back!
dave™© | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 8:08 pm | #
that IS good news. nice!
I love how Judge Sotomayor is talking to the Repigs like the immature, spoiled children that they are.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
But, Terry, Nina T just said that she's "not warm". And if she was I'm sure they'd be saying that J. Rosen was vindicated.
I hate NPR with a passion. There Nina, that warm enough for you?
newsflash the bell curve is not a "new idea".
Sister Sledge, Willie Stargel, funny stars on the baseball caps. Those were the times.
trifecta
I took my LSAT during that World Series.
i know its hard for most people to have an open mind.
Really...we should all be more open to judging the "hotness" of a mother of five.
You need to try to see both sides of our contempt and disdain for you.
Ah, one of my favorite Joni Mitchell lyrics.
"i doubt this sebs. i dont think anyone here would dispute that there is such a thing as i.q. we've all taken the tests..."
Don't be too quick about that. I.Q. is what I.Q. test test. Invented as they were in W.W. I to separate out immigrants from southern and eastern Europe from the "native born" (minus Afro-Americans among others) for leadership, the results of these early efforts were subsequently used to bolster support for immigrant exclusion in the 1920's, sterilization, and a whole host of racist mischief. They've been used invidiously ever since. I trust neither the tests nor the concept. They're both socially constructed.
Love being lectured on openmindedness by trolls.
The very people who continue to defend Bush's failed presidency.
Everybody poops. Even witches.
But not everyone trolls. Just the poops.
good evening. also.
Ah, one of my favorite Joni Mitchell lyrics.
NTodd, Wise Latina
I prefer that parking lot song.
Jayuff Sayshuns is such a moron.
oh an iq true believer. i am just so shocked.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 8:10 pm | #
you make my point. there is a whole scientific field (psychometrics) built on the measurement of human abilities.
this is not a "belief" issue. its just science.
Really...we should all be more open to judging the "hotness" of a mother of five.
AndyG
Men are pigs.
Everybody poops. Even witches.
NTodd, Wise Latina
Pundits pundificate.
Wow, this really lifts the spirits.
They've been used invidiously ever since. I trust neither the tests nor the concept. They're both socially constructed.
montanaheadcold | 07.14.09 - 8:12 pm | #
right.
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III was named after Thomas Jefferson right?
A morning glory
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The very people who continue to defend Bush's failed presidency.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 8:12 pm | #
Bush is the worst president in modern US history. maybe ever.
Jayuff Sayshuns is such a moron.
JT |
I don't understand half of what he is saying.
uh huh, lots of companies have made lots of money off psychometrics.
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III was named after Thomas Jefferson right?
trifecta
There were TWO more like HIM???
If it makes you feel better, I'm a liberal and I troll here cause I still hates you all.
I hate NPR with a passion. There Nina, that warm enough for you?
They have been hitting new levels of asshattery lately. This afternoon for instance, who better to explain what CA should do about it's financial collapse than... a conservative talk show host?
How did they let someone in the Senate named Beuregard?
Whats next - Nathan Bedford?
Lindsay Graham is an unbelievable asshead. Who votes for this guy?
I need sub-titles.
I can't understand a word Sessions is saying.
I always felt that way about Ernest Hollings.
They are coming across as a bunch of snarky and bitter old white men who cannot bear the thought of their kind losing power
ms sotomayor, can you swear that you will never ever again say that you might be wiser than a white man?
.
They're both socially constructed.
montanaheadcold | 07.14.09 - 8:12 pm | #
and progressives are supposed to be the pro-science side?
i don't know whether to laugh or cry.
i can just about smell your fear of new ideas.
Keep telling yourself that, popsicle, if it helps you. I would only point out that a consistent contrariness is not the definition of new ideas. It is the definition of an asshole. Perhaps you yourself are what you smell.
Bonsoir!
is there something different with Keith's hair? Or some Botox on the forehead? something is different.
yes, that was my important question of the day.
And Sessions is sooo stupido!
butler, go read something like the mismeasure of man. there may be better books, but that will acquaint you a bit with the history of the "science".
Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard (pronounced /ˈboʊrɨɡɑrd/; May 28, 1818 – February 20, 1893), was a Louisiana-born author, civil servant, politician, inventor, and the first prominent general for the Confederate States Army during the American Civil War.
uh huh, lots of companies have made lots of money off psychometrics.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 8:14 pm | #
how about chemistry? plenty of money made of off that. do you believe that's "socially constructed" too?
I'd pay good money to see seb's head assplode ala Scanners.
ms sotomayor, can you swear that you will never ever again say that you might be wiser than a white man?
She's wiser than at least two white guys I can think of.
Lindsay Graham is an unbelievable asshead. Who votes for this guy?
Karatist Preacher
closeted white rich conservative men and their wives?
With all due respect to my caucasian friends of the masculine persuasion, I'm loving this.
oh, dear. i think we're approaching the dreaded 1:1 ratio. that may mean netflix time for me.
I always felt that way about Ernest Hollings.
dave™©
SIT UP STRAIGHT WHEN I'M TALKIN TO YA SON!!!!!
Li'l Lindsey thinks Sotomayor has a temperament problem for the Supreme Court but McStain is A OK for President.
What a fuckwad.
Comment by sebs blocked.
Just a suggestion, kids...
Trademark -
WBCN in Boston bit the dust today. A great station in its time, and home to Oedipus, Danny Schecter, and the young Peter "Woofa Goofa" Wolf.
http://www.boston.com/ae/music/
b..._of_boston.html
I would only point out that a consistent contrariness is not the definition of new ideas. It is the definition of an asshole.
Exactly. Trollies troll for the same reason Goopers pretend Obama isn't a citizen or refuse to accept orders from him as CIC or spout nonstop racist claptrap whenever the opportunity arises. It's primarily because they're assholes.
and i blame Spector
"Who votes for this guy?"
The same people who voted for Mark Sanford and Strom Thurmond.
Bill B, damn.
I would only point out that a consistent contrariness is not the definition of new ideas. It is the definition of an asshole.
I disagree.
butler, go read something like the mismeasure of man. there may be better books, but that will acquaint you a bit with the history of the "science".
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 8:16 pm | #
i'm a scientist. i don't read science out of pop psych books. i would no more waste my time reading that book than the bell curve.
the bell curve was bad, but the mismeasure of man has done more damage to science than fundamentalist christians. just think where educational science would be today if psychometrics was not shunned out of public discourse.
Has anyone heard a single talking head who has pointed out that what Judge Sotomayor said was that a woman with experience would tend to make better decisions than a man without experience?
White men without experience, the real beneficiaries of affirmative action, the original program.
Hmmmm....IQ as science?????? What kind of science exactly?
With all due respect to my caucasian friends of the masculine persuasion...
Hey, we don't want 'em, either!
the science behind chemistry is solid. the "science" behind much of psychology isn't. im sure iq tests are a decent predictor of academic success for people that do well on them. as long as they stick strictly to that, they don't do as much damage.
Just a suggestion, kids... dave™©
The only thing less logical than an overt trollie's "arguments" is actually arguing with one.
I condemn all Steeler fans for being so contrary.
Lindsay Graham is an unbelievable asshead. Who votes for this guy?
Karatist Preacher
The same kind of people who vote for the likes of Imhofe, Bunning, McConnell, Cornyn, Coburn........
and i blame Spector.
Being the prime architect of the Wall of Sound forgives a multitude of sins...
educational science? uh, schools still give iq tests, if that's what you mean.
Hmmmm....IQ as science?????? What kind of science exactly?
Shared Humanity | 07.14.09 - 8:19 pm | #
psychometrics
Nobody liked my Executive Summary?
Hunh.
"this is not a "belief" issue. its just science."
Listen, in a previous, largely misspent life, I was paid to construct and interpret psychometric standards. What I.Q. they measures is what we want to put into them. For example, I think that the current edition of WISC IV for kids still has a question about the Wizard of Oz along with an additional assortment of outdated cultural trivia. The digit-span and coding subtests are O.K. and get to the nub of what a facile mind might be made, but who the hell knows? Certainly, the makers of these tests are operating on some hunches, certainly not science.
WBCN in Boston bit the dust today. A great station in its time, and home to Oedipus, Danny Schecter, and the young Peter "Woofa Goofa" Wolf.
Really? I didn't notice. They used to be the over-ground, underground radio station. Though I hadn't listened in years. Decades, really.
The only thing less logical than an overt trollie's "arguments" is actually arguing with one.
Did I ever tell you I'll always pick Quisp over Quake???
What's going on here?
the "science" behind much of psychology isn't.
I'd take issue with that broad statement.
the science behind chemistry is solid. the "science" behind much of psychology isn't.
pretzel | 07.14.09 - 8:19 pm | #
your a scientologist?
how is Ericka, NTodd?
With all due respect to my caucasian friends of the masculine persuasion, I'm loving this.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Me, too.
the science behind chemistry is solid. the "science" behind much of psychology isn't.
I'd say that depends to an enormous degree what you consider psychology. Behavioral neuroscience is psychology. So are cognitive and social psychology. So is behavioral genetics. All claptrap?
What's going on here?
What's all this brou-ha-ha???
I think that the current edition of WISC IV for kids still has a question about the Wizard of Oz along with an additional assortment of outdated cultural trivia.
NTodd's Pa's Wife used to administer that a lot in the schools here. She was really horrified by it, but that's the standard.
I'd take issue with that broad statement.
NTodd, Wise Latina | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 8:21 pm | #
you are probably crazy then. but we can't know for sure because psychology is not real science. because the mind is not an organ.
Has anyone heard a single talking head who has pointed out that what Judge Sotomayor said was that a woman with experience would tend to make better decisions than a man without experience?
They're all clueless on that point. "A wise Latina" vs "a white man without that experience."
no, i just think psychology is not very scientific.
Did I ever tell you I'll always pick Quisp over Quake??? dave™©
It's the propeller!
The only thing less logical than an overt trollie's "arguments" is actually arguing with one.
I've been trying to keep it to pointing and laughing. Of course, I'm probably so killfiled no one would notice.
the science behind chemistry is solid. the "science" behind much of psychology isn't.
There's a reason they go through entire "schools" every decade or two.
the mind is not an organ
My organ is much smarter than my mind.
Must we refight the gender wars each night?
OK Uncle!! or wait - Aunt!!!!!
plum - Ericka's still doing fine, thanks. I'm going to do an update post shortly.
Right now she's working on a post at her own blog, in addition to the one she posted at Sam's today.
psychometics, psychotherapy, are two areas of psychology that seem to have a high bs quotient.
O'Reilly is interviewing Megan Kelly with the label "Attorney".
Isn't she part of the FoxNooz Mornin'ZooCroo?
I want to know her position on In Re Nobleman.
A Wurlitzer is an organ
What's all this brou-ha-ha???
Are you suggesting a comic overflow of beer and/or coffee?
Decisions, decisions.
To put tuna or chicken on the salad?
Speaking of Quisp and Quake, I was checking out the "George of the Jungle" DVD box set the other day.
Some of the best animation to appear on Saturday morning television. Certainly better than anything Filmation or (shudder) Krantz was producing at the time. And lightyears beyond what Ward had done with "Bullwinkle"...
Listen, in a previous, largely misspent life, I was paid to construct and interpret psychometric standards. What I.Q. they measures is what we want to put into them. For example, I think that the current edition of WISC IV for kids still has a question about the Wizard of Oz along with an additional assortment of outdated cultural trivia. The digit-span and coding subtests are O.K. and get to the nub of what a facile mind might be made, but who the hell knows? Certainly, the makers of these tests are operating on some hunches, certainly not science.
montanaheadcold | 07.14.09 - 8:20 pm | #
modern IQ tests don't even have words, much less questions about movies. your previous life was probably a long time ago. science has moved on.
Must we refight the gender wars each night?
Meh. After a few years, you're lucky if you get to refight them once a week.
.
remember when homosexuality was a disorder? not that long ago, either.
Isn't she part of the FoxNooz Mornin'ZooCroo?
BlueinColorado
Its Megyn Kelly.
ok, it finally came to me today who it is I think of every time I see Jeff Sessions.
it's this guy.
so now that I've figured out that Sessions is Jak, now I have to figure out which one of them is Daxter.
And I'm back for a drive-by!
i'm a scientist.
And we're all sikyatrists on this bus. Haven't you heard?
Frankly, sebs, it would be more believable like this: "Damn it, Jim, I'm a scientist... not a supermodel/engineer/double-nought spy!"
Soft Science might be a good name for an Emo band.
no, i just think psychology is not very scientific.
And I take issue with that.
Oddly enough, that used to be NTodd's Pa's Wife's Pa's take, too. Thought it was a "soft" science, being a chemist himself. He eventually came around.
There's a difference between not understanding everything about the mind and being scientific about trying to.
psychometrics
sebs | 07.14.09 - 8:20 pm | #
Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer?
Right now she's working on a post at her own blog, in addition to the one she posted at Sam's today.
NTodd
your unborn baby is blogging?
why am i not surprised
If sebs is a scientist, where's his lab coat?
Bella and Ursula were well animated
ms sotomayor, can you swear that you will never ever again say that you might be wiser than a white man?
That, and making sure that young women paying attention get that message, is what this is all about.
OK, but you still have to "pretend" we're in control. That's kind of what they're down to bargaining for.
when librul bloggers marry
i'm so happy for them. /wipes tear/
"Psychotherapy" isn't anything more than a nonspecific label that comprises anything from Lucy's advice shack to dialectic behavior therapy for borderline personality disorder. Just saying it's all bs is as uninformed as declaring the kidz' music today sucks.
y'all know, of course, that if we'd just given this motherfucker his judgeship back when Reagan nominated him, we wouldn't have to be listening to this bullshit now.
good god. another tsunami of ignorance. time to make dinner for the kids. you guys are hopeless.
Would I be a bad person if I said I wish Liz Cheney would shut the fuck up and go away?
remember when homosexuality was a disorder?
It isn't?
remember when homosexuality was a disorder? not that long ago, either.
Psychology and psychiatry are relatively new sciences. They were wrong. Eventually they self-corrected, just like all sciences do.
Remember when doctors thought disease was caused by demons? Humours being out of balance?
Remember when scientists believed in creation _ex nihilo_? That light was transmitted across the aether?
sebs is a [cough] scientist
Stephen Jay Gould was not
"modern IQ tests don't even have words, much less questions about movies. "
Well, I just looked over the WISC IV - a kit I still keep [god knows why - actually because it cost me a bundle], and it has plenty of words, numbers, and symbols. You might be thinking of brain scans, not paper tests.
Ack! W makes an appearance on the All Star game.
Oh wait...it's on FOX? Get outta here!
your unborn baby is blogging?
Twittering, too.
I practice in a Court where the Judge and Chapter 13 Trustee are female.
And has been since 1999.
There's a difference between not understanding everything about the mind and being scientific about trying to.
NTodd, Wise Latina
I'd really like to give you an argument about that but I'm really too tired tonight.
Is that the blog equivalent of "Not tonight, I've got a headache"?
OMG! Obama with a taped message about baseball! Marxist taint! Marxist taint!
(Phew, here's W and Clinton and Poppy to balance him out...)
oh neuroscience has made great strides. i applaud an effort to be scientific. i dont think that effort has been very successful, so far, as far as defining intelligence, or defining and treating mental illness.
witness the attention still paid to freud, or the way iq is used.
How come we don't call Cheney's 'Assassination Squad' a 'Death Squad'? Isn't that what such are called in any other country?
your unborn baby is blogging?
Twittering, too.
NTodd, Wise Latina
And he's probably wearing pants.
sebs is a [cough] scientist
He and mimi should hook up.
(Phew, here's W and Clinton and Poppy to balance him out...)
but they let History's Greatest Monster on too!
Twittering, too.
NTodd
i don't do twitter, sorry.
Actually they've been female their entire lives.
He and mimi should hook up.
they're probably the same person.
Oh wait...it's on FOX? Get outta here!
Fox Sports is pretty much the standard that the rest of them aspire to. Murdoch doesn't fuck around when it comes to funding things like production facilities.
Keith Olbermann just ridiculed the notion that Time Magazine is promoting, that the Cheney Death Squads were no big deal because they were really just another surveillance program.
Yeah, right..
I can recall Someone at this here website falling prey to the same hackneyed propaganda...
Sorry folks. Looks like this one isn't going away..
heh popping the Presidential stack.
the guy or guys behind the interrogation techniques were psychologists. how well do those techniques actually work?
Though I hadn't listened in years. Decades, really.
Well, they have sucked for at least a decade, so you probably didn't miss that much. But truly great in their prime...
I don't much about psychology. Can it make testable predictions?
There's a difference between not understanding everything about the mind and being scientific about not understanding.
There's a difference between not understanding everything about the mind and being scientific about trying to.
NTodd, Wise Latina
I'd really like to give you an argument about that but I'm really too tired tonight.
I would be fascinated how you argue that psychology and psychological research doesn't follow scientific principles.
Try Raven's Progressive Matrices. No serious scientist would argue any cognitive- or behavior-based assessment is without error or potentially biased, even nonverbal ones. Dismissing it all out of hand is simply being ignorant of the state of the field. And as already noted, saying something isn't being measured accurately is a far cry from asserting in in principle cannot be measured.
they're probably the same person.
The ultimate trool hook up. The only way it can imagine having sex with someone while going solo.
I don't much about psychology. Can it make testable predictions?
If you get abducted and held without charge indefinitely, you will be sad.
isn't the time for the real Jason Bourne to show up?
Is that the blog equivalent of "Not tonight, I've got a headache"?
Anthony McCarthy | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 8:28 pm | #
i usually go with "i'm stoned, dood. lt8r."
Psychology and psychiatry are relatively new sciences. They were wrong
freud was wrong about a lot of things, but without him there would never have been an entire profession full of people to show him what he was wrong about
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I don't much about psychology. Can it make testable predictions?
Moe Szyslak
yes.
Right-wing group launches TV ad claiming Sotomayor led a terrorist organization.
A TV ad by the right-wing Committee for Justice claims that Judge Sonia Sotomayor “led a group supporting violent Puerto Rican terrorists.” The ad also links Sotomayor to “Obama’s buddy Bill Ayres, the unrepentant terrorist who bombed American buildings in the seventies.” Watch:
The claim that Sotomayor led a terrorist organization apparently refers to her service on the board of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, a mainstream civil rights organization. It seems that, in the right-wing mind, a group that protects Latinos from race discrimination is exactly the same as al Qaeda.
i usually go with "i'm stoned, dood. lt8r."
chicago dyke
Flowers at the hompage. Late July isn't May, but it isn't December, either.
Yeeeesh!!!
Just flipped over to CNBC. They're really trying to outFox Fox over there. The host is trying to shout down the GOP operative who isn't blaming Obama hard enough for the economy.
freud was wrong about a lot of things, but without him there would never have been an entire profession full of people to show him what he was wrong about
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tacitus voldebaer | 07.14.09 - 8:32 pm | #
so, let's give a big hand to the alchemists.
a group that protects Latinos from race discrimination is exactly the same as al Qaeda.
Yes.
It threatens white (male) supremacy.
I'm a flower pot, and if you all weren't so obviously below my towering intellect, I'd go to the trouble of proving it.
I don't much about psychology. Can it make testable predictions?
Moe Szyslak
yes.
Duane V,
I knew you were going to say that.
Don't know much about history, don't know much biology, don't know much about a science book, don't know much about the French I took....
whoa!
An enormous basking shark washed up on the shores of Long Island, New York today, causing quite a stir at Gilgo State Park, which is only a few miles from the very popular Jones Beach. The shark measured 20 feet and weighed a ton, but despite its imposing appearance they are considered pretty harmless because they have tiny teeth and generally eat plankton.
They are also quite common off the shores of Long Island, although beach goers still expressed amazement at the sight of the fish.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...e_n_232304.html
"i just think psychology is not very scientific."
So you don't think human behavior or thinking is predictable, particularly given certain inputs?
OK question.....what is the physical structure of a memory? How about a historical fact or mathematical theory that has been stored for later recall?
Why do I know that my mothers middle name is Ann and where have I misplaced my maternal grandmothers middle name? (I know it is in there somewhere.)
let's give a big hand to the alchemists.
pretzel
They made tremendous strides in the science of distilling. I thank them often.
If you get abducted and held without charge indefinitely, you will be sad.
The Old Man From Scene 24
And will gnaw on your arm or pull out all your hair...
(True detainee stories unfortunately...)
the last study i saw, all methods of psychotherapy had roughly the same success rate, although it turns out that judging success is a very subjective undertaking.
I would be fascinated how you argue that psychology and psychological research doesn't follow scientific principles.
NTodd
yes, you would.
put me down in the "it's a like most econ, or MBA pedagogy, and not a science" category. kinda think most of it is Bunk. which will be as respected as phrenology is today, in 150 years.
So you don't think human behavior or thinking is predictable, particularly given certain inputs?
fred
I don't think so.
Cheney to CIA: Don’t Tell Congress
(ChattahBox)—A source confirmed to CNN that former Vice President Dick Cheney, directly ordered the C.I.A. to withhold information from Congress about a secret counterterrorism program devised days after the attacks of 9/11.
The knowledgeable source confirmed that C.I.A. director, Leon Panetta, not only briefed the Senate and House Intelligence committees about the existence of the secret program, but also that Cheney was behind efforts to keep it hidden from Congress.
The New York Times first reported on Saturday, citing an unnamed source, that Cheney was responsible for keeping Congress in the dark, when the counterterrorism program was created eight years ago. An unnamed Intelligence official told the Washington Post on Saturday night that it was “generally known” from the very beginning of the secret program that Cheney ordered it be kept from Congress.
These same Intelligence officials confirm that the unidentified program did not involve the enhanced interrogation program or domestic intelligence activities.
So, the big question is what exactly did the secret counterterrorism program involve and why did the Cheney and the C.I.A. place such importance on it?
http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/07...-tell-congress/
I'm cutting up sono-tubing for the fence posts. What joy.
Oh, and homework. Whee.
Nobody liked my Executive Summary?
Hunh.
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace | 07.14.09 - 8:20 pm | #
Perhaps work in something about 'green' and 'change' or something?
witness the attention still paid to freud, or the way iq is used.
By whom?
I would be fascinated how you argue that psychology and psychological research doesn't follow scientific principles.
NTodd, Wise Latina
One of the problems is that what is called psychology covers an enormously varied range of ideas and practices. Some are rigorous, others are more like cults.
Rorschach testing was still practiced by a majority of practitioners in the mid1990s, for Pete's sake. A parlor game from early 20th century Vienna.
KO: Daughter of Darth is a lying sack of shit.
So you don't think human behavior or thinking is predictable, particularly given certain inputs?
fred | 07.14.09 - 8:35 pm | #
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i know lots of economists seem to think it is.
Nobody liked my Executive Summary?
Hunh.
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace
Use a swear word here and there.
Cheney Sweats Out the Summer
By Ray McGovern
July 14, 2009
So far the summer has been mild in the Washington, D.C., area. But for former Vice President Dick Cheney the temperature is well over 100 degrees. He is sweating profusely, and it is becoming increasingly clear why.
Cheney has broken openly with former President George W. Bush on one issue of transcendent importance — to Cheney. For whatever reason, Bush decided not to hand out blanket pardons before they both rode off into the sunset.
Cheney has complained bitterly that his former chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby should have been pardoned, rather than simply having his jail sentence “commuted.”
Cheney told the press that Bush left Libby "sort of hanging in the wind" by refusing to issue Libby a pardon before Bush left office. Libby had been convicted of perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to federal agents investigating the leak of a former CIA operations officer's identity.
"I believe firmly that Scooter was unjustly accused and prosecuted and deserved a pardon, and the President disagreed with that," Cheney said. He would disclose no details of his efforts to lobby Bush on Libby's behalf, saying they would be "best left to history."
It is getting close to history time. You do not need to be a cracker-jack analyst to understand that Cheney is feeling betrayed — that he is thinking not of Libby, but of himself, and fearing that, if our system of justice works, he could be in for some serious, uncommuted jail time.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/20...09/
071409b.html
by the science way, tonite on PBS:
Nova scienceNOW
Two drugs may help children with muscular dystrophy or the elderly; paleontologist George Poinar; astronaut Franklin Chang-Diaz; northern lights.
I don't think so. Moe Szyslak
Then there is a very large quantity of data collected following accepted scientific principles that you would find quite surprising.
"i just think psychology is not very scientific."
It's difficult to apply scientific principles to human behavior, but it is doable. Patterns inevitably emerge that can be quantified.
It's also what makes the field such a difficult area of study.
So you don't think human behavior or thinking is predictable, particularly given certain inputs?
fred
GO STEELERS!!! *BURP* *FART*
put me down in the "it's a like most econ, or MBA pedagogy, and not a science" category. kinda think most of it is Bunk. which will be as respected as phrenology is today, in 150 years.
chicago dyke, trasveral | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 8:36 pm | #
i think so too, cd. im sure a lot of phrenologists were sincere, too.
So Texas is fucking with the textbooks.
Let's make our kids even dumber.
Sincerity has nothing to do with a field of study being scientific or not.
Flowers at the hompage.
already visited those, goddess. was thinking about how wise it was to buy and seed/plant a lot of late bloomers, here in my gardens. i'll still get another month and more of blooms. shade gardening is cool, also. delayed blooming, and all that. nice. like your stuff.
don't send those dragon bloodsuckers or whatever up here, m'kay? we're good on mansquitos. really. also.
CIA's History of Lying to Congress
By Lisa Pease
July 10, 2009
On TV this week, with a measure of disbelief in their voices, the pundits ask, did the CIA lie to or deliberately mislead Congress? How is that not a rhetorical question?
The Agency has a long history of manipulating Congress and others to support its programs. That this was posed as an actual question reveals the media’s historical illiteracy in this matter.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/20...09/
071009a.html
Psychologists can write prescriptions, right?
Any study that involves human behaviour is going to be problematic. Maybe.
ugh....I hope Obama doesn't throw a Baba Booey-like first pitch - he'll never hear the end of it.
when i was studying computer science, there was a graffito in the comp sci building lavatory that read
"real science is to computer science like hydrodynamics is to plumbing"
.
So Texas is fucking with the textbooks.
Terry, I regularly review, and sometimes contribute, to textbooks. This sort of thing makes my teeth ache and sucks my will to live.
Cheney's Secret CIA Program
Worse Than Foreign Assassinations?
By Digby
July 14, 2009 "Hullabaloo" --- Pretty much every news outlet has confirmed that the secret CIA program held from Congress by Dick Cheney concerned targeted assassinations of Al Qaeda members abroad, basically the "executive assassination ring" discussed by Sy Hersh earlier this year.
Dick Cheney, the former vice president, ordered a highly classified CIA operation hidden from Congress because it pushed the limits of legality by planning to assassinate al-Qaida operatives in friendly countries without the knowledge of their governments, according to former intelligence officials.
http://
informationclearinghouse....rticle23048.htm
the last study i saw, all methods of psychotherapy had roughly the same success rate, although it turns out that judging success is a very subjective undertaking.
The question is whether any particular treatment outperforms doing nothing, and what are the relative risks, costs, and benefits associated with each.
Steeler Fan, not in CA. I can't speak for other states.
So you don't think human behavior or thinking is predictable, particularly given certain inputs?
fred | 07.14.09 - 8:35 pm | #
Individual human behavior is absolutely not predictable. We are all fucking nuts and dangerous!
Large groups are a bit more predictable, given specific inputs, because we go nuts in different directions.
Thank Goddess for statistics!
Psychologists can write prescriptions, right?
Steeler Fan
they're not doctors. psychiatrists can.
"I don't think so."
So if we take 100 people at random, put them each in isolation for a month, with lights and noise blaring, starved and thirsty, the general responses aren't predictable?
The entire field of marketing, for example, is based solidly upon psychological science.
Specific individual responses may not be wholly predictable, but probabilities can be observed and confirmed in repeat testing.
It's not really analogous to things like simple chemistry.
Any history textbook that doesn't call Columbus a genocidal maniac is wrong.
Then there is a very large quantity of data collected following accepted scientific principles that you would find quite surprising.
JeffCO
Ya know, it's not like something worth fighting about for me. I suspect there are aspects about human behaviour that are predictable... but, in the end, people do unexpected things.
That's what makes us people.
i've read a tiny bit of bullshit trying to attribute behaviour to genetics. Never very rigorous, and always ignoring huge gaping holes in the argument.
Maybe there are people smarter than me who have figured it all out. Haven't met them yet.
I have mixed feelings about psychology.
I am pretty negative about psychiatry. For fuck's sake, Woody Allen was in therapy several times a week for a few decades and then decided it would be a good idea to bang his step daughter who was less than half his age.
Lou Brock! Ozzie Smith! Bob Gibson! Bruce Sutter! Whooooo!
they're not doctors. psychiatrists can.
plum p,better democrats please
Then they are useless.
One of the problems is that what is called psychology covers an enormously varied range of ideas and practices. Some are rigorous, others are more like cults.
In other words, psych can be as rigorous as any other scientific discipline when it, you know, follows scientific principles. There is good research being done, and has been done.
Recall people have done bad research in all areas of science. Look at the cold fusion controversies. Gosh, that discredits all of physics! It's not scientific!
Psych has peer review, it has double-blind studies, it is self-correcting, it can offer testable predictions, etc. Just like every other goddamned science.
In case you missed it
Investigative Reporter Seymour Hersh Describes 'Executive Assassination Ring'
By Eric Black
Legendary investigative reporter Seymour Hersh may have made a little more news than he intended by talking about new alleged instances of domestic spying by the CIA, and about an ongoing covert military operation that he called an “executive assassination ring.”
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle22194.htm
Thank Goddess for statistics!
Indeed. I'd be out of a job if they didn't exist.
well, i just think most psychologists are not con artists, even the ones that wrecked peoples's lives trying to apply freud's theory of repressed memories, in the 80's and early 90's. but i would agree that a sincere effort to be scientific is not evidence that one is doing science.
I am pretty negative about psychiatry. For fuck's sake, Woody Allen was in therapy several times a week for a few decades and then decided it would be a good idea to bang his step daughter who was less than half his age.
trifecta
well... psychiatry saved my life.
just saying.
Fuck me, I had NO IDEA Stan Musial was still alive!
I mean, you have to gab for a hour to get the candy, right?
"Individual human behavior is absolutely not predictable."
To a point. But if one knows a lot about a person, a great deal of thinking and behavior can be predicted with varying levels of accuracy.
We are creatures of habits and tendencies.
stan the man bringing ball out for obama to make first pitch...now!
We are all born psychologists. The most important environment we live in is the sea of other people. Life is the lab. YRMV
Plummy, it depends. I'd be dead without psychiatrists.
man, obama getting lots of boos.
Fuck me, I had NO IDEA Stan Musial was still alive!
I was just gonna say that.
And here comes Obama to throw out the 1st pitch. Over the plate?
It's difficult to apply scientific principles to human behavior, but it is doable. Patterns inevitably emerge that can be quantified. Salyh
Pfft, that implies there are disciplines like biostatistics one could become trained and expert in that are both reliable and valid. Obviously such is impossible and little more than palm reading!
So if we take 100 people at random, put them each in isolation for a month, with lights and noise blaring, starved and thirsty, the general responses aren't predictable?
Well, if you drop people from airplanes at 50,000 feet, the results are predictable, too.
Doesn't say much, really.
Psychologists can write prescriptions, right?
Steeler Fan
they're not doctors. psychiatrists can.
plum p,better democrats please
Indeed, they cannot. There was a movement within the psychology community to work toward prescription rights, given the medical training that PsyDs get, but that fell by the wayside. Too much concern about liability and whether psychiatrists rely too much on pharma.
Fuck me, I had NO IDEA Stan Musial was still alive!
bill buckner |
And Ted Williams' head is still in liquid nitrogen!
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One of the problems is that what is called psychology covers an enormously varied range of ideas and practices. Some are rigorous, others are more like cults.
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This is due in part to the fact that the human brain is extremely not well understood ...
For instance, buttles ...
The question is whether any particular treatment outperforms doing nothing, and what are the relative risks, costs, and benefits associated with each.
JeffCO | 07.14.09 - 8:41 pm | #
as i recall, doing nothing was in there. of course some courses of treatment, like classical psychotherapy, are much more expensive.
South Side!!!!!
JeffCO, I consider quantifying and qualifying human behavior to be a far more complex and difficult endeavor than it is, say, for bacteria.
at 9 oclock would someone please remind me to go turn off the sprinkler?
like i was telling someone the other day, i've just had really bad experiences with sykologists, sykatrists, social workers, etc. so i'm hostile to the field, and i admit that. i can't really be rational about it. you have to understand: they failed to guess at what my problems were, and i was forced to give them plenty of chances to "help" me discover them, over the years. then, i went to grad skool and studies the foundations of the field. i was even less impressed. more power to you/anyone for whom it works. but it's useless to me, unless it's epidemiological in nature. like the drugs some of them want to give people, i'll just take a pass and work on it myself, yo.
Sounds like Moe isn't up on his Hari Seldon...
Plummy, it depends. I'd be dead without psychiatrists.
Sallyh
me too. we're saying the same thing here
man, obama getting lots of boos.
jdw | 07.14.09 - 8:44 pm | #
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that would explain the lack of trools here ...
remember asimov's foundation trilogy? the basic premise was that predicting the behavior of large numbers of people was much easier than predicting the behavior of an individual
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I am pretty negative about psychiatry.
I used to be. Some of that was prejudice because Mom was a psychologist. In the end, I grew to appreciate psychiatry.
Well, if you drop people from airplanes at 50,000 feet, the results are predictable, too.
Doesn't say much, really.
Actually, it does. It tells you to avoid such things.
And I'm not being glib. You learn about effects and that perhaps changes things like safety protocols and whatnot.
Many scientific things are trivial. Then those trivial things are applied.
man, obama getting lots of boos.
jdw
It's FOX. They're piping it into the PA system. They do it all the time.
Well, if you drop people from airplanes at 50,000 feet, the results are predictable, too.
Ahhh...but replace the people with Turkeys and the predictions go awry. Is that because the Turkeys are stupid or is it an IQ test for the pilot?
[Googles Hari Seldon]
I had NO IDEA Stan Musial was still alive!
I was surprised to see that Ernest Hollings still walks the earth, too...
Nothing? I'm gone? I dunt get teh 150k?
~~~sigh~~~~
I go back into teh pool.
remember asimov's foundation trilogy? the basic premise was that predicting the behavior of large numbers of people was much easier than predicting the behavior of an individual
And that the predictions could be done centuries ahead!
As for techniques like CBT, it's been established for sometime that it's an effective method for treating certain disorders.
Obama threw the ball on the fly to Puhols.
anyway, i think a lot of psychotherapy is like religion or music. if it works for you, go for it.
Thanks for showing the pitch, Fox. Dumb fucks!
Democracy = Dangerous.
Karl Rove: It's Dangerous to Give Congress Information
By Ben Armbruster
July 14, 2009 "Think Progress" -- -Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal revealed that the secret CIA program that Vice President Cheney allegedly ordered hidden from Congressional oversight involved plans to kill or capture al-Qaeda operatives. Last night on Fox News, top Bush adviser Karl Rove refused to comment when asked by host Bill O’Reilly if he knew anything about the program. “I want to limit my comments to what I’ve read in the newspapers and observations,” he said. Rove then appeared to make the argument that executive branch should not inform Congress of what it is doing:
ROVE: Look, it’s interesting. The CIA briefed Congress to this, I guess, in June. And the Congress immediately leaks it. That, itself is, a violation, I think, of several statutes and indicative of why it is so dangerous to give Congress information.
Watch it:
http://
informationclearinghouse....rticle23051.htm
GWPDA!
Thanks for the song!
I think the boos were for Obama wearing a White Sox jacket (as opposed to a Cardinal jacket). The cheers got louder after the pitch.
Googles Hari Seldon
GOTCHA!
man, obama getting lots of boos.
jdw
You're watching a different game, I guess.
And here comes Obama to throw out the 1st pitch. Over the plate?
Please tell me that he isn't wearing a stupid jacket w stupid embroidery on it. That's all I ask.
As is typically the case when the subject arises, nonspecific "psychotherapy" gets conflated with an increasingly broad and rigorous field of psychological science by those not particularly informed regarding the differences and individual instances of failure or misuse are elevated to be defining of all related fields. I would suggest the social psychologists have determined and named such pattern of interpretation, but as their field is all bunkum it hardly matters.
Ahhh...but replace the people with Turkeys and the predictions go awry. Is that because the Turkeys are stupid or is it an IQ test for the pilot?
Shared Humanity | 07.14.09 - 8:47 pm | #
see it wasn't wkrp's fault. who knew frozen turkeys would hit the ground like cannonballs?
Oh yea!
I read the Foundation Trilogy as a teenager. I hated it even then.
And here comes Obama to throw out the 1st pitch. Over the plate?
juuuuussst a bit outside....
Ahhh...but replace the people with Turkeys and the predictions go awry. Is that because the Turkeys are stupid or is it an IQ test for the pilot?
Les Nessman had an IQ of 189.
"You're watching a different game, I guess."
ya think?
Let me clarify. I am all opposed to people doing therapy. I think that going to therapy for 20 years is a crutch and can be counter productive. Some dishonest psychiatrists see that person as a meal ticket.
Going to see a professional. Delving into your problems, working on an action plan to fix the problems can't be done in 20 minutes. But, 20 years later, there is a problem. I don't know what the right "number" is, and it would vary with different people obviously. I am more speaking about the 1970's fad of having a therapist you went to three times a week for years and years.
predictable
i don't know much about it at all, but doesn't quantum mechanics say that the location of electrons is fundamentally unpredictable?
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I read the Foundation Trilogy as a teenager. I hated it even then.
Still - MADE YA LOOK!
{{{{{NTodd}}}}}}}
I have the white candles burning bright for you, my friend.
You deserve to experience what I've experienced with my beautiful daughter. It's the best blessing ever.
That is all.
And here comes Obama to throw out the 1st pitch. Over the plate?
Who knows - they didn't show it. He seemed happy with his throw so I guess he did ok.
I would suggest the social psychologists have determined and named such pattern of interpretation, but as their field is all bunkum it hardly matters.
No, Hecate. He was wearing his Sox jacket.
man, obama getting lots of boos.
jdw
Lou Brock was there.
They were yelling Loooouuuuu. Looooouuuu.
It's FOX. They're piping it into the PA system. They do it all the time.
half of them coming from the FOX production booth probably.
Yeah he did seem to get more cheers after the pitch and maybe some of the boos were for the Sox jacket, but even 25%ers go to baseball games.
"Please tell me that he isn't wearing a stupid jacket w stupid embroidery on it."
i wanted to see him parachute in. mathews woulda creamed.
evening fellow DFH's. there are over 400 comments in this thread and i'm not going to read them all but will take the time to read maybe the latest 20.
nimwit question of the day: why didn't you vote with the other puerto rican on your court?
racism, it's what's for lunch.
juuuuussst a bit outside....
Steeler Fan | 07.14.09 - 8:49 pm | #
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Right over the black part of the plate.
replace the people with Turkeys
finally, a sensible solution that i can support!
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to tell the truth, i couldnt finish foundation trilogy. i loved asimov as a pop science writer; as a fiction writer, not so much.
{{{{{VICI}}}}}
And you have our good thoughts, too.
BTW, methinks there are plenty of jobs in the medical industry here in VT...
Please tell me that he isn't wearing a stupid jacket w stupid embroidery on it. That's all I ask.
He was wearing jeans and a White Sox jacket.
Landscape guy brought me Queen Anne's Lace plants.
I like this guy.
They have roots like carrots
Rock. Roll.
Apply.
I read the Foundation Trilogy as a teenager. I hated it even then.
Sacrilege!
Anon was me.
TEBB
ps - i'm nervous that she's going to be a disappointment/too conservative, but am damn glad to see a woman, and one of color, headed for SCOTUS.
I recall enjoying the "Foundation" series as a kid, but I can't recall much about it now. I tried to re-read it 10 or 20 years ago, and couldn't really get started.
hoping Soto doesn't dissapoint me.
The entire field of marketing, for example, is based solidly upon psychological science.
And god knows no product ever fails.
Movies are always tested and the marketing campaigns are huge, yet, oddly enough, a significant number of them bomb at the box office.
They have roots like carrots
I used to feed them to our iguana. He loved them.
"They have roots like carrots"
and they taste just like 'em, too.
you have 13 minutes.
And that the predictions could be done centuries ahead!
NTodd, Wise Latina
well, it's kind of a reductio ad absurdum where he says that if 100 people are more predictable than 1 person, then a whole solar system full of billions of people ought to be totally predictable...
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Did anyone read P.J. Farmer's Riverworld series?
Psychiatristy is fake liberal media made up as science. Especially the part about passive aggressive.
Hey the Foundation Trilogy inspired Paul Krugman to become an Economist.
i don't know much about it at all, but doesn't quantum mechanics say that the location of electrons is fundamentally unpredictable?
electrons are notoriously stupid....some of our trolls have 50 or 60 of those suckers bouncing around their synapses.
I think what Hecate meant was that she hoped Obama wasn't wearing the stupid Commander in Chief model that Bush always sported.
Bush's referring constantly to himself as the Commander in Chief pissed me off wildly. It's not as if I'm in the military, dammit!
I think the boos were for Obama wearing a White Sox jacket (as opposed to a Cardinal jacket). The cheers got louder after the pitch.
DJ
It's possible. More of a rivalry between the Cards and the Cubs, tho.
VIDEO: Cheney Loudly Booed During First Pitch
Vice President Cheney threw out the ceremonial first pitch at the home opener of the Washington Nationals game today. The crowd was was less than thrilled to have him there, loudly booing over the Fox News reporter. (Note: Fox producers muted the crowd audio halfway through before letting viewers “listen in” after the pitch.)
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04...y-boo-baseball/
20 years later, there is a problem.
Most likely. And it takes 2 to tango on that.
to tell the truth, i couldnt finish foundation trilogy. i loved asimov as a pop science writer; as a fiction writer, not so much.
I enjoyed the first. Never could motivate through the rest.
Hopefully Fox will show the pitch when Obama gets into the booth.
she's going to be a disappointment/too conservative,
Word. Doan like her one decision on choice, that's for sure. And I don't trust Obama on choice as far as I can throw him.
Landscape guy brought me Queen Anne's Lace plants.
I love them and covet them, but they are a weed here. Seriously. They grow like crazy. They don't sell them here.
I can send you dozens for free.
What I love about Queen Anne's Lace is the delicate structure of the leaves, and the intricate, white flowerhead. Beautiful plant.
I read the Foundation Trilogy as a teenager. I hated it even then.
Asimov never said you wouldn't get your hair mussed.
Apropos of nothing, Johnathan Franzen's "The Corrections" FUCKING SUCKED ASS.
I threw it out my window, literally, in irritation.
Did anyone read P.J. Farmer's Riverworld series?
Psychiatristy is fake liberal media made up as science. Especially the part about passive aggressive.
Buttle Nym
I'm reading Stranger in a Strange Land right now.
BTW, methinks there are plenty of jobs in the medical industry here in VT...
NTodd, Wise Latina
NTodd, you're a goof (wise latina)
Vicki, you could do worse than Vermont.
I know it's not the same thing at all--- but I'm increasingly seeing the social worker field as just one gigantic cult. Or, more accurately, several cults have latched on social work, and now dominate it.
Really, the more I learn about it, the more I think it's the modern day equivalent to the residential school system. At least as troubled kids go.
Hey the Foundation Trilogy inspired Paul Krugman to become an Economist.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 8:53 pm
wow!
Pittsburgh has quite a few medical jobs.
If you want me to believe in electrons you're going to have to show me one.
I think what Hecate meant was that she hoped Obama wasn't wearing the stupid Commander in Chief model that Bush always sported.
Obama was being the White Sox Fan-in-Chief.
well, it's kind of a reductio ad absurdum where he says that if 100 people are more predictable than 1 person, then a whole solar system full of billions of people ought to be totally predictable...
Probably not technically _reductio_, since you're reducing an argument to contradictions. I would say he makes the mistake of generalization. ;-P
Still, a predictive theory of psychohistory is a pretty intriguing idea...
Vicki - send me ur email, eh? I've got something... cd078 a t d e r u d o t c o m
it's flame suit night for me, i guess.
/dons one/
asimov: boring. in the extreme. not really all that brilliant, either. i respect him most for his atheism. that was cool. but his scifi? yawn.
I am more speaking about the 1970's fad of having a therapist you went to three times a week for years and years.
trifecta
now they just give people drugs. Happy Pillz are cheaper than paying a PhD or MSW, yo? and more controlled profit for Big Pharma, too.
BTW, methinks there are plenty of jobs in the medical industry here in VT...
I love:
1.) The cold
2.) The mountains
3.) Bernie Sanders
4.) You guys
I think I'd fit right in!
I just saw Ericka's e-mail! Will be looking into it.
Oh!
It's Oily Taint that's representing the deserter.
NOICE.
the Foundation Trilogy inspired Paul Krugman to become an Economist.
Really??? I did not know that!
Hopefully Fox will show the pitch when Obama gets into the booth.
Monica_A: Giggity!
They'll have to, the rat-bastard cocksucker sons of bitches.
I'm reading Stranger in a Strange Land right now.
Steeler Fan | 07.14.09 - 8:54 pm | #
now you can grok sebs!
Pittsburgh is nice, too.
Its pretty predictable that the Pirates will suck.
If you want me to believe in electrons you're going to have to show me one.
Good point.
But I could show you some photons right now...
they are a weed here.
Here, too, which, oddly, has made them v difficult to get. Landscape guy stopped on the way back from a plant buying trip to Richmond and dug them up for me. He's just the best.
I'm reading Stranger in a Strange Land right now.
so is my wife.
Please tell me that he isn't wearing a stupid jacket w stupid embroidery on it.
He is wearing the colors of the ChiSox, his team from the southside. And jeans. Looks good...
We have plenty of medical jobs here too Vici. Also a lot of dirty filthy hippies.
White Sox fans get along pretty well with Cardinal fans (we start out with the common antipathy toward the Cubs, of course). We like to think we know our baseball; Cardinal fans sure do. I think the St. Louis fans weren't booing the Sox jacket so much as the fact he wasn't wearing the hometown team's.
I recall enjoying the "Foundation" series as a kid, but I can't recall much about it now.
The whole thing is based on the genius insight that the opposite end of a circle is where you began. Which isn't even right.
Also, people who have nuclear technology often forget how to do it. Like misplacing their car keys, whoops, how'd we do that again? They should have written it down, but you know, when you're young, you think you'll remember everything.
How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere At All
i miss the Expos...
I'm reading Stranger in a Strange Land right now.
so is my wife.
theodoric of athens
Heinlein's wife added more to the story after he died.
Really??? I did not know that!
yup! He mentioned it in several interviews after getting the Nobel Prize.
I have decided that if Jeff Sessions is Jak, Lindsey Graham can be Daxter. Coburn would fit too, but he's not as much fun as Miss Lind-er, Daxter.
now they just give people drugs. Happy Pillz are cheaper than paying a PhD or MSW, yo? and more controlled profit for Big Pharma, too.
Well, since most mental dysfunction is caused by brain chemistry...
I mean, you can ask the fire why it's burning on the grease in the frying pan, or you can dump a bunch of flour on it.
Back in a few! Tawk amongst yuhselves..
How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere At All
electron
You are way too negative for my tastes.
Doan like her one decision on choice, that's for sure.
She did say that Roe V. Wade was "settled law," though, right?
I thought I read that.
Unfortunately, I had to work at the morgue, so I couldn't watch the hearings.
Vicki knows my town is the epicenter of healthcare, probably better than most.
Heinlein's wife added more to the story after he died.
Well, she added back stuff that had to be cut from the original release. I like the long version much better.
Social work is not really the same as psychology or even psychotherapy - different goals, different rules, different procedures. I do think it's true that social workers much like the chronically mentally ill, teachers, nurses, and others at the low-status end of the helping professions are more subject to burnout and institutionalized thinking than those in higher-status positions. But who knows, is a reasonably well-compensated middle-management drone better adjusted or happier than an underpaid county social worker?
The whole thing is based on the genius insight that the opposite end of a circle is where you began.
Whoa! Heavy, man...
Baby Jeebus is at bat...
She did say that Roe V. Wade was "settled law," though, right?
She did.
Trifecta - I'm with you on the lengthy therapy thing. I have a relative who has been to bunches of pscyols and psychi's over the years, and has taken every anti-dep there is plus a bunch of other stuff off-label. And she's had 30 ECTs. She'll tell you she's one of those people for whom nothing works so you should pity her but the truth is several of her doctors have told her if she continues to live with her husband nothing will make her happy. She chooses to refuse - she says "i'm not going to lower my standard of living." Drives us all (family members) bonkers.
Heres a news flash for the left thinkers. The white man whose constantly deraded is the only one who is actually not with prejudices, if you think about it. Hes a blank slate, American, and the recent immagrants tend to think about changing the country for their own good. Thats the sick part of the whole debate that nobady talks about.
GWPDA,
I just sent you an e-mail, but to the wrong address! Let me try again!
Chicago dyke, may I just say that you are more beautiful than ever?
Lovely to see you.
*hic*
Any history textbook that doesn't call Columbus a genocidal maniac is wrong.
Steeler Fan
http://thumbsnap.com/v/bHU4kDyk.jpg
I mean, you can ask the fire why it's burning on the grease in the frying pan, or you can dump a bunch of flour on it. dave™©
That's so pragmatic I'd almost think you were the President!
If you want me to believe in electrons you're going to have to show me one.
JeffCO | 07.14.09 - 8:55 pm | #
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Quantum physics is like one of those weird, off the interstate strip clubs where you can either see the boobies, or touch the boobies, but you can't see the boobies and touch the boobies.
Pertaining to electrons, of course.
Wow. That was stupid even by his standards.
Pirates fans do not watch the All Star game for the same reason they don't shop at the Cadillac dealer.
Dang.
I dearly love the original Foundation trilogy, which I found around 11-13 yo. And 'The End of Eternity', which takes the precise opposite position to the Foundation series about whether an empowered elite can be trusted with the destiny of a humanity ignorant of their role. Still like the former; the sexism of the latter makes it harder to revisit.
The premise of psychohistory runs up against chaos theory, and Edward Lorenz' demonstration that even quite large systems can be so exquisitely sensitive to initial conditions as to be unpredictable even in theory...
American, and the recent immagrants tend to think about changing the country for their own good.
Some yokel said the same thing in 1776.
Actually, the one thing I remember most about "Foundation" was how after every major crisis, the Foundationers would get a pre-recorded message from Seldon recounting the crisis and congratulating them on how they'd averted it. Then, after one particular crisis, Seldon appeared and started yammering about stuff that hadn't even happened and they all looked at each other and said "oh, shit!"...
Pittsburgh, Fletcher, Nashville, Boston...
You guys all make me feel good.
Thanks.
I was a marketing communications manager in furniture for 25 years, so I don't have to do health care.
It's just such a damned disappointment, but that's the way life rolls.
TCB is drinking or his keyboard is fucked up.
Thats the stupid part of the whole debate that nobody talks about, because it's so fucking stupid.
fyt
i miss the Expos...
plum p,better democrats please
A-fucking-men.
Ann Arbor ain't no schlub wrt health care, either.
We will have a casino in Pittsburgh in August.
hecate: get the sprinkler.
Heres a ne
Thanks for posting.
Now I don't have to read another hare-brained post from you ever again.
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No, TCB is fucked up. And stumpbroke. And steercotted.
Thats the sick part of the whole debate that nobady talks about.
no, the sick part of the whole debate that nobody talks about is that stupid motherfuckers like you apparently believe the egregious bullshit y'all spout.
i miss the Expos...
plum p,better democrats please | 07.14.09 - 8:57 pm | #
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Me too. That's where Pedro started.
Vicki: what's up? Your group cutting you loose?
All the best, of course...
Wow. That was stupid even by his standards.
The problem with parody is one has to be clever enough to be funny whilst doing it. Frankly, given the existence of merkin patriot, I can't see why anyone else would even bother.
I know the position of every other electron in the universe, too.
Wow. That was stupid even by his standards.
OK, you made ME look. So we're even...
I'm practicing my card counting.
hecate: get the sprinkler.
Bush's referring constantly to himself as the Commander in Chief pissed me off wildly. It's not as if I'm in the military, dammit!
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I used to laugh at the trolls who chided us for making fun of "your commander in chief."
Asshole wasn't my commander in chief. I'm not in the military.
Neither are the trolls.
hecate: get the sprinkler.
What jdw said.
Bah stoopit tags.
We will have a casino in Pittsburgh in August.
Using perogies as chips?
All my doctors live in Nashville.
I dearly love the original Foundation trilogy, which I found around
11-13 yo. And 'The End of Eternity', which takes the precise opposite
position to the Foundation series about whether an empowered elite can
be trusted with the destiny of a humanity ignorant of their role. Still
like the former; the sexism of the latter makes it harder to revisit.
The premise of psychohistory runs up against chaos theory, and Edward
Lorenz' demonstration that even quite large systems can be so
exquisitely sensitive to initial conditions as to be unpredictable even
in theory...
Yes. Say,ProfWombat? Have u checked in on the various patients here? Olav Big and Tall haz 'some kind of meningitis!' I'm terrified for all these pibbels. Oh, and 'psychohistory'? I told Asimov it was crap and he agreed. Scientists vs. historians. Simple stuff. But he had books to write and I had 'scholarly articles'. Life. what can u say?
s h i t z
It's just such a damned disappointment, but that's the way life rolls.
When the going gets tough...
You have friends and family who will help you get through it.
But you're tough. You'll be fine. It's the damn uncertainty that's getting you down.
TCB is drinking or his keyboard is fucked up.
electron |
Don 't tell me he's threatening people again.
Using perogies as chips?
Shared Humanity
Hockey Pucks.
JeffCO: that was the position of Ernst Mach, who, never having seen an atom, didn't believe in them...
sheets.
I'd like to acquaint trollie with the Pauli Walnuts exclusion principle.
Expos? If they had a real owner after the Bronfmans sold, they'd still be in Montreal. That city deserves a major league team, especially after MLB screwed them over the way they did.
What I love about Queen Anne's Lace is the delicate structure of the leaves, and the intricate, white flowerhead. Beautiful plant.
Vicki,
and poisonous, be careful with them.
there's bunches of colleges in GR. lots of job oppy's.
We used to make 60% of the nation's furniture this way Vicki. Now, not so much.
Been outsourced to China. Still some shops working though. So I am afraid you have to move down this way.
My beloved wrote a post about this community and how much it has meant to us.
GWPDA: great story, and I'm glad he admitted it. I found Asimov when quite young, and still read him with a bit of youth in my eye.
Altogether too much medical adventure afoot. Time for a cup of green tea, and for everybody to get well...
i miss the Expos...
So do I. Awful ballpark. VERY good beer...
Eh...a new Expos team could play at the Big O for a couple of years while they build something better. At least it's clean, well-lit, and easy to get to on the Metro
ProfWombat, I wish I could say where I am just about now. But then - I'm an old widdowwoman and no longer considered.
goodnight.
Actually, the one thing I remember most about "Foundation" was how after every major crisis, the Foundationers would get a pre-recorded message from Seldon recounting the crisis and congratulating them on how they'd averted it. Then, after one particular crisis, Seldon appeared and started yammering about stuff that hadn't even happened and they all looked at each other and said "oh, shit!"...
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The Mule effed everything up. A creature with the ability to alter emotions in others, something Hari didn't take into account.
For a moment I thought it said Cindy Crawford and I'm thinking Eschaton is going Huffington. Having lived in her hometown of DeKalb Illinois only a simple twist of fate kept us apart. I was in my mid twenties and didn't hang around middle schools. Don't get me wrong, I still don't....
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