I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
GOP drf.
Foster won because there are 11 dimensions
Good.
They threw some money away on stupid domain names too.
Their chief accountant turned out to be a crook.
Not enough bad things can happen to these people.
They hate America.
I thought it was the distracting stage lighting.
I just read something authoritative that said the NRCC spent 20% of its money on this race.
This makes up for "losing" an hour of sleep tonight.
So what exactly is the GOP spin on this?
...this district was a big deal because it was the [Republican] Speaker of the House's district, because he won by a bunch in 2006, and because the practically broke NRCC blew much of what little money they had on it.
That is SO sad!
They lost because of the shape of the district. Fundies couldn't vote.
HoneyBearKelly - you have the best gravatard
So what exactly is the GOP spin on this?
GOOD NEWS!!!
The NRCC blows.
why aren't we discussing glass dildo crises?
Let's not forget Tom DeLay's district is also now in Democratic hands, Nick Lampson.
Evening, folk.
Nappage.
HoneyBearKelly - you have the best gravatard
It's nice, but I like Uncle Smokes the best!
Thank you Walter.
Yours is very handsome.
Buenas noches.
[barf]
Vampire Weekend is sort of Atrios' gypsy music, but good.
(I kid, I kid)
why aren't we discussing glass dildo crises?
Sockpuppet dildoes are much safer, except for the lint.
It's not just a "win"
It's a "in your face you LOSERS!!!" type of win.
Obama nets another superdelegate. C'mon on down U.S. Rep. Bill Foster.
Daddy Warbucks
(from the last thread)
This just keeps getting better.
why aren't we discussing glass dildo crises?
MR PRESIDENT, WE CANNOT HAVE GLASS DILDO GAP!
from downstairs:
Shit, how many of us live in places where we've felt out numbered by the rethugs? where our vote didn't count? where we felt like there was nothing we could do to change things?
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork
That's why I'm blogging. Brevard County, Fla., pissed me off so much that I had to, well, blast off about it.
I was nearly fired for being liberal there; as it was, I was told to keep my politics to myself.
Also, the NRCC's plea for live bodies to phonebank may have got one or more congresscritters in the shit.
What's not to love?
Now, I'm sure that Speaker Pelosi will do her best to get Foster established in the district for November.
To repeat myself, we are never going to her the end of that "queen of the sciences" shit now.
I haven't seen SNL since Charles Rocket said "fuck". he's dead, ya know.
I stopped listening to Glass Dildo Crisis when they signed to a major label.
Not enough bad things can happen to these people.
They hate America.
America is leaning to hate them back.
Evening all.
Just a drive-by before bedtime..
Has there been any Obama vs Hillary inspired duel to the death ce soir?
The over/under on the number of times this gets mentioned on the Sunday bobblehead shows is probably 1.
Take the under.
NTodd, why? Because she's a drug addict, and I don't think she wants to get well. She wasn't sober when she came to our house, btw.
let's all hope they don't flip the numbers on us ala Siegelman, Mean Jean etc
it was the Obama ad that put Foster over the top.
well, that and all those MoveOn workers 
R PRESIDENT, WE CANNOT HAVE GLASS DILDO IN THE GAP!
Freezed your tastee
NTodd, why? Because she's a drug addict, and I don't think she wants to get well. She wasn't sober when she came to our house, btw.
Jesus fuck.
That's why I'm blogging. Brevard County, Fla., pissed me off so much that I had to, well, blast off about it.
Rethugs suck ass.
Their chief accountant turned out to be a crook.
Then you have GOPer Renzi defrauding the right-to-lifers of a few hundred grand in AZ.
The criminal and the stupid. There's your 21st century conservative movement.
Jesus fuck.
NTodd
I second that.
NTodd, why? Because she's a drug addict, and I don't think she wants to get well. She wasn't sober when she came to our house, btw.
Gah.
Never would have guessed that it would be the SIL who got his act together.
The criminal and the stupid. There's your 21st century conservative movement.
A perfect square.
Sallyh, I'm sorry about what's been going on with your daughter.
Man, I did a great job raising my kid, didn't I?
A drunk for a mother who expected her kid to be okay.
it's pretty clear that this isn't the time for real republican effort, if at all this cycle. mcstain is a sacrificial lamb, they want him to lose. if he wins, he bows from the stage early and is forgotten. whomever wins gets ownership of all bush's problem legacies. if i'm a republican under 60, it's hard for me not to like those choices. let the Olde Guard sink or swim; now is the time to learn mandarin and arabic, and find a place to park some illicit monies that's more stable than the petrodollar markets.
Just a drive-by before bedtime..
Has there been any Obama vs Hillary inspired duel to the death ce soir?
Not yet, but the night is still young!!
bdg is here?
DeLay-brand glass dildos are made by six year old slaves in the Marina Islands. Made in the USA*
*sorta
Never would have guessed that it would be the SIL who got his act together.
Amen.
I am watching a Celtic Woman concert. Is it wrong of me to be having polyamorous thoughts?
Man, I did a great job raising my kid, didn't I?
A drunk for a mother who expected her kid to be okay.
That's bullshit. She had as good a chance being a heroin addict if she was born to a family of religious fundamentalists.
You're not to blame for HER decisions.
Celtic man, no.
Sallyh - whoa, there, fine lady. Let's back up from that.
I am watching a Celtic Woman concert. Is it wrong of me to be having polyamorous thoughts?
Celtic Man
Not if you remove taste as a factor.
Namestealers again?
Rethugs suck ass.
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork
Word to your plushy.
Never would have guessed that it would be the SIL who got his act together.
Amen.
I have to say I was rooting for him, though not for her to fail.
Is it wrong of me to be having polyamorous thoughts?
Only if there's river dancing.
I know, it wasn't my decision for her to use drugs.
I did everything I could for her. I can do no more.
I stopped listening to Glass Dildo Crisis when they signed to a major label. -The Kenosha Kid
People who hear glass dildos shouldn't forego tones ...
this district was a big deal because it was the [Republican] Speaker of the House's district, because he won by a bunch in 2006, and because the practically broke NRCC blew much of what little money they had on it.
Do we need better commentary? That pretty well covers it, I think.
Polyamorous thoughts? Does Polly know?
polyamorous thoughts
I'm not allowed to watch Jean Butler on the Riverdance DVD
Sallyh, I wouldn't trust SIL any further than you can throw him.
I'm not allowed to watch Jean Butler on the Riverdance DVD
WalterNeff, Thai master
The Nicole Kidman lookalike?
The 14th IL is a meaningless Congressional district.
ellroon - yes, it's been banned
The 14th IL is a meaningless Congressional district.
Sufferin' Succotash
I'm sure the citizens who live there will be happy to hear that.
Hastert's former district is hardcore Republican territory. I've been there before. Things must be dire if diehard Republicans are embarrassed to vote Republican.
Fuck.
I hate Daylight savings.
Hate it
Sallyh, I don't often break my own ananimity. I've been sober for 13 years, cutting her off is the best thing you can do for her. Could possibly save her life. My heart goes out to you. I know what I did to my parents. It's not your fault.
ellroon - yes, it's been banned
WalterNeff, Thai master
ah, c'mon. She shows great ... posture and stuff! Very educational.
Do we need better commentary?
We need to get Morgan Freeman to read it.
Sallyh, your daughter is responsible for herself. Stop being hard on yourself. She's in rehab, and it sounds like your insurance is providing that, which is fine. But really, that's all you can do for her, unless she wants to stay sober.
sallyh-
You know enough to know you can't beat yourself up for this. My mom ruined the last 20 years of her life thinking she owed it to a son to give him everything. He took everything. Everything.
Man, I did a great job raising my kid, didn't I?
A drunk for a mother who expected her kid to be okay.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
She's a grown up. What she's doing now is her doing. Not yours.
Hastert's former district is hardcore Republican territory. I've been there before. Things must be dire if diehard Republicans are embarrassed to vote Republican.
Tralfaz
So what exactly is the GOP spin on this
Heh. Taegan Goddard spinoff CQ has the answer to your question:
If Foster Wins . . .
• The Republican Spin: We had the misfortune of facing well-funded
opposition in a district where Illinois Democratic Sen. Barack Obama , who endorsed Foster, is very popular. And don’t read too much into the predictive value of special elections: in 2004, Democrats wrested away two districts from Republicans in special elections — Kentucky’s 6th District (in February) and South Dakota’s at-large district (in June) — but we still retained our House majority in the November election, when Bush was re-elected. So Foster’s victory doesn’t mean that the Democrats are going to gain seats in November.
You know enough to know you can't beat yourself up for this. My mom ruined the last 20 years of her life thinking she owed it to a son to give him everything. He took everything. Everything.
leibniz♘☮
Have a sister in law who saw that happen.
We need to get Morgan Freeman to read it.
Richard
Poor Andy Dufresne. That was the longest night of his life ...
Hastert's former district is hardcore Republican territory. I've been there before. Things must be dire if diehard Republicans are embarrassed to vote Republican.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
But McCain is a war hero!
Jean Butler...
http://www.ballet-dance.com/2005.../
JeanButler.jpg
We need to get Morgan Freeman to read it.
He always brings something special to special announcements. He was a most convincing President in Deep Impact.
Sometimes I think that the Buddhists have an advantage in this parent-blaming thing, because of the belief in karma that you bring with you from your previous live. So everything isn't someone else's fault.
Do we need better commentary? That pretty well covers it, I think.
As I said earlier, Foster's people were positively giddy tonight, the Republicans are sooooo fucked.
Jean Butler...
http://www.ballet-dance.com/2005.../ JeanButler.jpg
Richard
Ahhh! Don't look, WalterNeff! Don't look!
But McCain is a war hero!
And a maverick!
Don't forget that.
McCain is a war hero!
George Johnston | Homepage | 03.09.08 - 12:23 am | #
Of course, the Democratic victory is good for Republicans.
Jean Butler...
I loved her.
I guess this proves once and for all that Obama's coattail effect will be minimal, and virtually useless in traditional Republican races.
Jean Butler...
http://www.ballet-dance.com/2005.../ JeanButler.jpg
Richard
I'd hi--
Well, you know.
This is good news for Republicans.
Poor Andy Dufresne. That was the longest night of his life ...
He cost me two packs of cigarettes.
Sometimes I think that the Buddhists have an advantage in this parent-blaming thing, because of the belief in karma that you bring with you from your previous live. So everything isn't someone else's fault.
Echidne
But our whole society is based on blaming the mother for any psychosis of the kid.... what would we do if we couldn't blame mom?
You know enough to know you can't beat yourself up for this. My mom ruined the last 20 years of her life thinking she owed it to a son to give him everything. He took everything. Everything.
My sister has a colleague (a professor) whose husband is a dentist. The couple regularly ask the woman's elderly parents (both retired dairyworkers) for money for vacations and shit. And they give it.
This outcome suggests that Obama has the potential to turn at least a few marginal red states blue.
So Foster’s victory doesn’t mean that the Democrats are going to gain seats in November.
Deluded fucks.
Let's blame Mom!
Fuck
That
Noise
Once, in a piano bar in Chicago with some friends, I turned away from my group for a moment to discover I was seated next to Michael Flatley.
He was wearing a cape (it was winter) and what appeared to be pancake makeup or something. He was with two women who were significantly younger than he. And he was a rather loud drunk.
Of course, the Democratic victory is good for Republicans.
And it has no national significance whatever. The campaign was based purely on local issues.
There. Wrote the GOP bobblehead script for tomorrow morning.
My sister has a colleague (a professor) whose husband is a dentist. The couple regularly ask the woman's elderly parents (both retired dairyworkers) for money for vacations and shit. And they give it.
That's crazy.
Let's not forget Tom DeLay's district is also now in Democratic hands, Nick Lampson.
It's gonna be damn near impossible to hold Lampson's seat, unfortunately.
But our whole society is based on blaming the mother for any psychosis of the kid.... what would we do if we couldn't blame mom?
Perhaps we'd have to grow up as a society. Note that I'm not saying some parents aren't terrible. But yes, there is an inflated belief in the power of mothers (without actually giving them the powers they'd need to get anywhere near the goal).
Well, you know.
Sinfonian
Dude, you'd hit a slightly attractive farmyard animal.
But McCain is a war hero!
And a maverick!
Don't forget that.
Sufferin' Succotash
Read the latest 'Littlest Maverick' comic.
It's gonna be damn near impossible to hold Lampson's seat, unfortunately.
Harry Doghiney (D-TX)
whyfor?
So Foster’s victory doesn’t mean that the Democrats are going to gain seats in November.
Deluded fucks.
Why yes!!
Poor Andy Dufresne. That was the longest night of his life ...
"Here fish fish fish fish!"
Sallyh, step back from your guilt. Your kid's making her own life hell all on her own. It really sucks, but assigning blame to yourself isn't going to help either of you. For what it's worth, have a hug.
He cost me two packs of cigarettes.
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
Well, you did go to school near Shawshank. 
Which reminds me: I met a Colby grad some time ago and rushed back here to tell you about it. Then you weren't here and I forgot. And now I don't remember who it was.
But I tried.
Part of the 14th is DuPage County, home of some of the creepiest politix I can imagine (and I live in Cook!). The county election board won't certify THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS as poll-watchers, for pete's sake. What sort of cockroaches won't certify THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS?!?!
Good for Dr. Foster and all his friends & colleagues. Yeeargghh!
It's gonna be damn near impossible to hold Lampson's seat, unfortunately.
Harry Doghiney (D-TX) | 03.09.08 - 12:27 am | #
Feh.
U might be right.
Sugarland is full of assholes and fundies.
I see the Blues are going to find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again. 
I stopped listening to Glass Dildo Crisis when they signed to a major label.
Virgin Records?
Once, in a piano bar in Chicago with some friends, I turned away from my group for a moment to discover I was seated next to Michael Flatley.
He was wearing a cape (it was winter) and what appeared to be pancake makeup or something. He was with two women who were significantly younger than he. And he was a rather loud drunk.
Sinfonian, unfair & imbalanced
His ego made him light on his feet...
Let's blame Mom!
Part of recovery is taking responsibility for ALL your actions. The blame game is just another excuse addicts use to get loaded.
...the district, by the way, is NSFW.
is it true that district was GerryManhooded for him?
I blame simels.
Dude, you'd hit a slightly attractive farmyard animal.
JR, kerosene and a match
I have a reputation to uphold, ya know.
Which reminds me: I met a Colby grad some time ago and rushed back here to tell you about it. Then you weren't here and I forgot. And now I don't remember who it was.
That's a great story.
I blame simels.
JR, kerosene and a match
A sign of recovery fer shur....
That's a great story.
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
Yeah, well, I'm tired. Fucknozzle.
is it true that district was GerryManhooded for him?
Yes. So much for that.
whyfor?
flory
Lampson's district was drawn for Tom DeLay and people like Tom DeLay. Because DeLay botched his resignation and screwed up the timing of his departure, Lampson was able to defeat a write-in opponent. (Rethugs in that district can't write, apparently.) This time, Lampson's Rethug opponent will be on the ballot with an "R" next to his or her name. That's pretty much all it will take.
NTodd, is your McGuffin the same as Hitchcock's McGuffin which was his term for whatever the catalyst was for starting the plot for the film?
Time for a SNL "comedy" intervention.
That's a great story.
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
Yeah, well, I'm tired. Fucknozzle.
Sinfonian, unfair & imbalanced
Wasn't that part of Texas once the Lynching Capital of the Western World?
Yeah, well, I'm tired. Fucknozzle.
Yeah, well, I'm horny. Shitwhistle.
Dr. Dean's done so much to heal the party. Not one district left for unwinnable. Not one district. Not one precinct. Not one.
OOh! Wind howling in the windows. Scary.
This time, Lampson's Rethug opponent will be on the ballot with an "R" next to his or her name. That's pretty much all it will take.
Harry Doghiney (D-TX)
But aren't the fundoid rethugs that make up the district exactly the ones that hatehatehatehate McStain with the heat of a thousand suns?
If they don't turn out to vote and Lampson has incumbency going for him.....
Nobody, but nobody thought Hastert's seat would ever switch....
NTodd, is your McGuffin the same as Hitchcock's McGuffin which was his term for whatever the catalyst was for starting the plot for the film?
Yes, that's what inspired it. In this case, the McGuffin is a CD.
Time for a SNL "comedy" intervention.
Elias: Anagram-archist. | 03.09.08 - 12:32 am | #
I pass....
NTodd, is your McGuffin the same as Hitchcock's McGuffin which was his term for whatever the catalyst was for starting the plot for the film?
Don't tell anyone, but he's got wine bottles filled with uranium in his basement.
He was wearing a cape (it was winter) and what appeared to be pancake makeup or something.
Frank Costanza's lawyer.
*looks outside*
*shakes fist at snowplough*
Wasn't that part of Texas once the Lynching Capital of the Western World?
Don't think so.
I hope we can take the lege back.
Maybe then we could reverse the redistricting back.
Hitchcock's McGuffin
"Paging George Kaplan"
He cost me two packs of cigarettes.
Were you the top or the bottom that night?
Don't tell anyone, but he's got wine bottles filled with uranium in his basement.
Richard
Does he have Ingrid Bergman and Cary Grant down there too?
Oh, go read Digby, go read Digby, go read Digby.
Yeah, well, I'm tired. Fucknozzle.
Yeah, well, I'm horny. Shitwhistle.
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
He said he wuz tired, didn't he? Sounds like you're not getting any tonite.
I met a Colby grad who grew up in Toledo, lived in Vermont and said he pleasured the Queen of England. And said he got a turnip and a piece of Lord Montbatten's knuckle to prove it. But he was a callow young man.
But aren't the fundoid rethugs that make up the district exactly the ones that hatehatehatehate McStain with the heat of a thousand suns?
If they don't turn out to vote and Lampson has incumbency going for him.....
Nobody, but nobody thought Hastert's seat would ever switch....
True dat. Hope yer right, pardner.
Yeah, well, I'm tired. Fucknozzle.
Yeah, well, I'm horny. Shitwhistle.
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
Is this where the twatwaffle comes in?
I met a Colby grad who grew up in Toledo, lived in Vermont and said he pleasured the Queen of England. And said he got a turnip and a piece of Lord Montbatten's knuckle to prove it. But he was a callow young man.
leibniz♘☮
So, you're writing NTodd's biography?
Fuckin' Blues.
4-2, Vancouver wins.
Sallyh, If there is one thing I have learned in 56 years on this earth, it's that we all live life looking throught the wrong end of a tele scope. We focus on what we need to day to day and when we are forced to look at the wider picture we all say "My God, why didn't I do this differently?" It doesn't make you bad, it just makes you human. The lesson is to broaden your focus and to move on from your past.
But aren't the fundoid rethugs that make up the district exactly the ones that hatehatehatehate McStain with the heat of a thousand suns?
If they don't turn out to vote and Lampson has incumbency going for him.....
Nobody, but nobody thought Hastert's seat would ever switch....
It's not impossible.
It depends on who is on the top of the ticket. If it's Hillary, rethugs will turn out in force just to fuck her over.
Incumbency won't help him much- rethugs in the district feel they wuz ROBBED!! and that Delay was railroaded.
Yes, they are retarded.
Were you the top or the bottom that night?
Smokes got crushed. I'd say bottom.
I have it on good authority that it's actually one hour later than my clock reads.
Good night, I lurvs you all!
Sallyh, step back from your guilt. Your kid's making her own life hell all on her own. It really sucks, but assigning blame to yourself isn't going to help either of you. For what it's worth, have a hug.
sidhra
What sidhra said.
Sallyh, what your daughter has is a disease. My mother lost a child to a disease too, it was cancer in her case. It is agonizing beyond words and will torment her to the day she dies but at very least she does not have to go around carrying the burden of being told it was somehow her fault.
Neither do you.
It. Is. A. Disease. I repeat, it is awful but it is not your fault.
hugs here too. Sorrow is okay. Guilt is not.
I'd like a sausage and egg McGuffin
I hate Daylight savings.
Nixon's Revenge!
It's at 2 am, right? The magical moment.
I'd like a sausage and egg McGuffin
You plan on hiding a dildo?
Oh, go read Digby, go read Digby, go read Digby.
OK. OK. OK.
[rushes out]
I hate Daylight savings.
Nixon's Revenge!
George Johnston
I blame the Brits and their fucking obsession with golf.
I hate Daylight savings.
Nixon's Revenge!
George Johnston
I love daylight savings. I hate when it's dark before I finish work.
I blame the Brits and their fucking obsession with golf.
cosmic tumbler, scruffy
I thought it was some business guy noticing that sunlight was going to waste...
Pictures of Obama being incompetent & smoking.
Garnering sympathy for Bill being out at 3am.
Fantastic.
Sure glad the writer's strike is over!
I hate Daylight savings.
Nixon's Revenge!
At least we're off the Gold Standard.
I love daylight savings. I hate when it's dark before I finish work.
I hate when I have to get up early.
I can't get up now as it is.
Pictures of Obama being incompetent & smoking.
Garnering sympathy for Bill being out at 3am.
Fantastic.
Sure glad the writer's strike is over!
Hillary Clinton
Don't push it, lady.
Reason to keep my SO around #637:
"Techorating - verb. The act of stuffing technology into your house."
Trolls, o trolls, why hast thou forsaken us?
Shit...I didn't know this -- I just read over at Teh Orange Satan that IL 14 includes Dixon, St Ronnie of the Rayguns hometown.
And it's now represented by a Dem.
Karma...she is one lovely bitch.
Trolls, o trolls, why hast thou forsaken us?
Chichimec
Shhh..
Karma...she is one lovely bitch.
flory
I like to think of Karma as a kindly old gentleman.
Yeah sure, love to have pud or lubyanka show up with self-pity and self-loathing oozing from every pore.
About as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.
Anyway, as I mentioned below I'm almost ready to pack all this politicking shit in. Life is too short.
I like to think of Karma as a kindly old gentleman.
Duane V
Old bald guy dressed in a saffron robe, as per Tanith Lee.
About as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.
Sufferin' Succotash
Actually, there is a certain amount of justice in that.
amazingly gnome free tonight. knock on pre-formed concrete wood-like products
Damn. If the 14th went so convincingly blue, and with such a turnout, too, who knows what good things await in November?
I think it's not going to matter who's at the top of the ticket, HRC or BHO. The people are so f*cking sick of Bush and all his works and all his pomps and all his empty promises that they'll be crowding to the polls to vote for anyone with a D after their name. The D pres nominee is just going to be surfing that wave and it doesn't matter who it is. If my cat Felix were at the top of the ticket with a D after his name he'd be swept in on a landslide vote with coattails like FDR.
That's what this IL-14 big win is telling me.
Anyway, as I mentioned below I'm almost ready to pack all this politicking shit in. Life is too short.
Echidne
Ah, but they want you to disengage..
Wow, the wind just blew hard enough that it set off somebody's car alarm. There's a Tastee Freeze joke in there somewhere.
amazingly gnome free tonight. knock on pre-formed concrete wood-like products
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
SHHHH...
Jeez, Jay C., where are you? Calm & clear here near Chi.
Damn. If the 14th went so convincingly blue, and with such a turnout, too, who knows what good things await in November?
Ummmmmm, Diebold?
I'm almost ready to pack all this politicking shit in. Life is too short
That's what I thought too between 1974 and 2002. Then I thought "this shit has been going on too long!!"
Now I'm a precinct chairman. I know I know, BFD, but it's better than bitching at the TV screen.
Where is the wind blowing?
Okay, long day today. I hope tomorrow's better.
Catch you patriotz laterz.
It's very windy here in Beantown. I think Jay C. is here, too? Stuff rattling down the street.
Fucknozzle.
Shitwhistle.
"In tonight's news: A wild melee that broke out today at a local conference forced Philadelphia police to employ Tasers, tear gas, "Bull Buster" cattle prods, and vicious attack dogs to quell what authorities described as "a surprising and unexpected explosion of violence".
"They were monsters", said precinct Captain John "Mac" Cain. "The absinthe drove them over the edge, and one pantless subject required enough voltage to power the state of Vermont in order to bring him into compliance."...
Film at 11...
It is very windy on the east coast. Thunderstorms and high winds.
MY Congressman!
And I he'ped!
G'night, flittermice.
Yeah, the wind is drowning out the commuter trains here in the Boston area. Fun.
Now I'm a precinct chairman. I know I know, BFD, but it's better than bitching at the TV screen.
Sufferin' Succotash
They'd rather you stayed bitchin' at the teevee screen like a good slave.
Yikes. Hang on tight, Bostonians!
G'night, flittermice.
Nite JR.
amazingly gnome free tonight. knock on pre-formed concrete wood-like products -mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
caucusi doth soothe the savage breast
the commuter trains here in the Boston area.
Why does the sound of a train at 1 AM fill one with bogus melancholy?
Good for you, Sufferin Succotash. (Can we call you Suf for short?)
Sometimes trying to reload Haloscan is like playing wack-a-mole.
It's at 2 am, right? The magical moment.
Yes. Two becomes Three.
"In tonight's news: A wild melee that broke out today at a local conference forced Philadelphia police to employ Tasers, tear gas, "Bull Buster" cattle prods, and vicious attack dogs to quell what authorities described as "a surprising and unexpected explosion of violence".
"They were monsters", said precinct Captain John "Mac" Cain. "The absinthe drove them over the edge, and one pantless subject required enough voltage to power the state of Vermont in order to bring him into compliance."...
Well done.
Perhaps I retire only after that experience.
It's at 2 am, right? The magical moment.
Yes. Two becomes Three.
One is the loneliest number.
It's at 2 am, right? The magical moment.
If I wake up at lunchtime again, I'm gonna be confused.
Oh, this is fucking hilarious:
Think real conservatives will vote for John McCain? Don't count on it.
Op-ed by super wanker Brent Bozell.
One is the loneliest number.
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
It approaches through the wood, McGuffin.
Why does the sound of a train at 1 AM fill one with bogus melancholy?
Because it's dark and you are tired and you hear that sound and it reminds you of all those forties black-and-white flicks where people take their farewells at train stations.?
Good for you, Sufferin Succotash.
For what? The bogus melancholy of the precinct chairmanship? And actually you can call me Puddy Tat.
Jeebus. If you're getting the wind in Boston, it'll be here soon.
Why does the sound of a train at 1 AM fill one with bogus melancholy?
Because there isn't a foghorn for 300 miles?
One is the loneliest number.
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
and yet, there is still never enough pie ... go figure
Well, since I grew up in a little city with a railyard (roundhouse & everything), the distant sound of freight trains being made up (crash! bump bump bump) is the sound of my childhood. So I like the sound of faraway freight trains in the night.
Think real conservatives will vote for John McCain? Don't count on it.
They're eating their youn, er, their old.
those forties black-and-white flicks where people take their farewells at train stations.?
I'm old enough to have ridden on trains back in the early 50s, but by then they had switched to Technicolor.
Jeebus. If you're getting the wind in Boston, it'll be here soon.
sidhra
Coming up the coast.
"They were monsters", said precinct Captain John "Mac" Cain. "The absinthe drove them over the edge, and one pantless subject required enough voltage to power the state of Vermont in order to bring him into compliance."...
Film at 11...
Jack K., the Grumpy Forester
YouTube it!
Three is the magic number:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=1...feature=related
G'night, batses. I'm off to change the clocks & find a pillow.
I hope Dr. Foster is enjoying a bottle of champagne.
"The absinthe drove them over the edge,
Sounds like something out of Fear & Loathing In las Vegas--"a terrble riot, kicked off by drunken hoodlums who refused to abide by the rules."
And it's on nights like these I start thinking about Hunter.
comedy rule of three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...h?
v=T1xsp6PO9qs
Hey TinyPorcelainMouse, Watch!
Off to beddy bye...curl up with wife n' kitteh.
Doesn't get much better than that.
Nite.
WalterNeff--
Love the posters.
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Thanks...I love that one...
How many Green Bay Packer cheerleaders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Signing off.
Op-ed by super wanker Brent Bozell.
fourlegsgood, gots pitchfork
Feh. They know how badly they're gonna lose, the only fight left is who gets credit for the loss because "the Republicans deserted us, their base."
Their fathers smelt of elderberries, and I taunt them yet again.
Signing off.
Nodding off.
In which I rewrite the lede in the New York Times story about the torturer in chief.
'night Echidne; love the wisdom.
How many Green Bay Packer cheerleaders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
they don't screw in lightbulbs, they screw in cheeseheads
Thanks Duane. There's also a great Blind Melon version that my little one (she's 4yo) likes best.
Question.
Do bloggers know who donates money to their blogs?
I blame the Brits and their fucking obsession with golf.
Seriously, the British do not have anything like the golf obsession of Americans, especially in this corner of the south. There is no 'Golf Channel' in Britain, or if there is, it's not basic cable.
One of the local golf shops is owned by a British expat. Nick Faldo is employed by CBS.
It would be okay if Americans didn't create golf courses that look like they're in Second Life.
Do bloggers know who donates money to their blogs?
I generally do.
Seriously, the British do not have anything like the golf obsession of Americans, especially in this corner of the south. There is no 'Golf Channel' in Britain, or if there is, it's not basic cable.
One of the local golf shops is owned by a British expat. Nick Faldo is employed by CBS.
It would be okay if Americans didn't create golf courses that look like they're in Second Life.
pseudonymous in nc
I agree completely. I was just referring to the origin of daylight-savings time.
George Bush vetoed a Congressional effort to limit the Central Intelligence Agency’s ability to torture suspects. Bush claims that his fascination with torture will protect our precious bodily fluids.
Republican Presidential nominee "Buck" Turgidson, while opposing torture, nevertheless hugged the President in a blatant act of political pandering.
Good night, you lovely bats. Dream well.
Amy Adams may end up typecast in 'wholesome' roles, and that would be such a pity.
(I'm good friends with one of her cousins. The likeness is there, though the cousin is not likely to be typecast in 'wholesome' roles.)
I generally do.
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
That's good to know, thanks.
Good night, Sallyh. Love.
The word of the day for my blog is Incompetence.
Damn, sounds like a new "Survivorman" coming on I haven't seen before...the Andes? Must go watch, while fondling my smaller swiss army knife.
I would find this show more realistic if he had to fight off other "survivormen" for available supplies, but I guess you would have a hard time with TV in that case. Gather ye tips where ye may.
Sleep beckons. May you all rest and restore well.
Hmph. Try to lecture people on incompetence and they all leave....
Here is the incompetence of Condi Rice.
As well as here.
Hmph. Try to lecture people on incompetence and they all leave....
ellroon
The picture just froze everybody in time and space.
And here is the utter incompetence of Julie Gerberding who has ruined the CDC...
The picture just froze everybody in time and space.
cosmic tumbler, scruffy
I seem to have that effect on people...
I seem to have that effect on people...
ellroon
I think it is a west coast phenomenon.
'night from the east coast.
How many Green Bay Packer cheerleaders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Elias: Quipto-fascist
I don't know, but I don't see any screwing you, either...
Everybody keeps talking about how stupid and incompetent Bush and his cronies are. Haven't they gotten away with every bit of it?
Who's stupid?
MR PRESIDENT, WE CANNOT HAVE GLASS DILDO GAP!
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
Don't throw stones living in a glass dildo.
MR PRESIDENT, WE CANNOT HAVE GLASS DILDO GAP!
NTodd, McGuffin Hitler
"one is the loneliest number", indeed...
Oh, FOSTER WON? Oh, FUCK YEAH.
If you don't realize how big a deal this is, realize that in terms of suburban Chicago, Hastert's district was about as wingnut-friendly as you can get, and realize that Oberweis has essentially unlimited personal financial resources--he's kind of the Bloomberg of northern Illinois. He tried to buy Senate seats in 2002 and 2004, and he tried to buy the governor's mansion in 2006. He failed in all cases, which in the first two instances was a good thing, and in the third instance is probably also a good thing, but given our current Governor it's harder to say that anyone else (including Oberweis) could be worse.
Of course, this is just a special election. Oberweis will still run for the seat in the general in November, so this battle will have to be re-fought, but if Obama is the nominee, the Illinois turnout will be so high that Foster might win again.
To Oberweis' credit, he may be a Jesus addled wingnut, but his primary business is a dairy, and their milk--hormone and antibiotic free--is pretty damn good.
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Hey!
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Starting on TCM - Patterns (1956)
Rod Serling
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OMG! We'z bin robbed! There's no 2am!! Call the Department of Homeland Security! They'll know what to do!
Looks like Mad Men so far.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F...h?
v=FW02c5UNGl0
Looks like Mad Men so far.
Ahem - I think you mean "Mad Men" looks like "Patterns"...
Was that elevator operator Frank Lovejoy? Not credited apparently.
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Ooooh - Eschacon hits the big time!
Heh.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...h?
v=HKnxmkOAj88
Good song from down the page at FDL, trademark Dave.
Hey coyotes -
I listened to the NRCC radio ads for Oberweis - they took a Foster line out-of-context "There's nothing that can't be improved by throwing more money at it."
And they tried to spin it as indicative of his real policies. The Repubs are going bat-shit loony trying to keep their tattered shreds from flying away on the winds.
Too bad, so sad...
Jane Hamsher just looked at me.
Fat Hastert's House seat loss a signal of crumbling empire.
Petroglyphs in the desert.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/ITaYfTlo.jpg
http://thumbsnap.com/v/G2poWCTC.jpg
Glass dildos! Sock puppet dildos? Alright, next Sunday I'm putting an article in the WaPo on why women are inferior. The prevalence and acceptance of dildos (the majority of American women own or know someone who owns a dildo!!!) contrasted with the invisibility of "penis enlarger" owners proves that women are over-sexed, differently advantaged digitally. and more comfortable using tools.
Don't cry for poor Denny. Even though his campaign was bankrupted by his legal bills, it didn't prevent his leaving office with a cushy $6 million in his own pocket.
And no worries about how he pulled that off on a Congressional salary... his lawyer insists that his sudden resignation had absolutely nothing to do with any corruption investigations.
Part of the GOP resignation wave was to get ahead of changes in ethics rules for certain lobby hires.
Sibel Edmonds could still get a thank you note from people free of Hastert's taint on the House.
New Porno:
"Charlie Wilson's Whore"
"Vampire Weekend" seems like a band Atrios would like.
A sample of some upholstery cloth to recover all the remaining Republican seats in congress with.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/D4dAqKPP.jpg
Another ominous sign is the large number of Republicans who voted in the Democratic primaries this year (25% in Wisconsin), largely for Barack Obama and the tiny number of Democrats (2-3%) who voted in the Republican primaries. The message here is that Obama will pull Republicans away from McCain but McCain won't pull Democrats away from Obama. With Clinton, party loyalty becomes stronger.
Can anybody explain to me why Barack Obama has such a powerful appeal to republicans, when democrats seem to think of him as an insurgent candidate? Does it mean that Barack Obama seems more like a republican than Hillary Clinton?
His vote against troop withdrawal in 2006 is what won Obama the Republicans, one could probably assume.
Where did Simels go, anyways?
Why do the Barack Obama supporters think that Hillary Clinton can beat him with "dirty" campaigning in the primary but that he would beat John Mccain in the fall easily, despite the fact that Mccain will fight dirtier than anybody, since Rove is already working for him? It doesn't make sense.
Because McCain is Captain Queeg of the hundred years' war.
Why do Hillary supporters think she can beat McCain when she is losing to Obama during the primaries?
Why do Hillary supporters think she can beat McCain when she is losing to Obama during the primaries?
truth
Because she's won most of the primaries.
Obama's great at caucuses, but that isn't what we do on election day.
Why does truth confuse caucuses with primaries?
Why do Hillary supporters think she can beat McCain
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NewsWeek Poll, March 5 - 6, 2008
Clinton 48% Mccain 46%
Obama 46% Mccain 45%
I'm afraid to ask these questions most of the time here because the Barack Obama supporters are kind of touchy.
That's why atrios keeps comments open. Ask away, it only sharpens effective response.
actually Obama is a Dem. liberterian and that draws in more republicans and independents. Idiotic Democrats voted for Idiotic Bush in 2000. You need independents and repubs in order to win the general election. Bill Clinton did just that in his presidential elections.
aesop
you took the words right out of my mouth.
touchy, and out of touch with nonpartisan america.
Republicans are flocking to open primaries and caucuses in all the red states to vote for Obama, their intent is to put a stake through the heart of Hillary once and for all. Don't count on them to vote Democratic in Nov.
republicans are crossing over to vote for obama because they hate and fear nothing more than a second competent clinton presidency. a competent democratic president taking office at this juncture in american hostory could ruin the republican party for decades more.
this isn't rocket science.
"Republicans are flocking to open primaries and caucuses in all the red states to vote for Obama"
They're defying their pal Rush?
Listen I can't speak for all people in all states. But I have many co-workers and friends, not to mention family members who are republicans. They are sickened by what their party has done to them and the country. They hate Hillary! They don't like Mccain either because of his stance on the war. They feel the economy can not get back into shape until the war is resolved by a major pull out. They are willing to vote for Obama and some of them are not voting at all. Not one of them will be voting for Hillary and if she runs Mccain gets their vote.
Hillary beats McCain because her liberal hawk positions keep him fixed on his even more hawkish, unpopular, and insane pro war positions. McCain has a chance to win against Obama because Obama's effective anti-war rhetoric will force McCain to mitigate his hawkishness and thereby make him a more appealing candidate.
They're defying their pal Rush?
DFH in Dubrovnik
One percent of McCain's voters registered for him in West Virginia.
The rest flipped votes for Hukcabee to end Romney's relevancy as a true threat to the top of the ticket.
The GOP race is obviously his at this time. Of course he'd NEVER send votes across the lines, like he already did once this race, to shape who gets to oppose him....
They're defying their pal Rush?
DFH in Dubrovnik
Rush only got that bright idea about a week ago, most of the contest are already over.
partisans are out of touch with what nonpartisan america is thinking.
a very liberal ( albeit church going) woman i know was appalled by the fact that the kids are so wound up about obama that women are fainting at his campaign appearances.
she just can't take him seriously because of the rock star` aura
Listen I can't speak for all people in all states. But I have many co-workers and friends, not to mention family members who are republicans. They are sickened by what their party has done to them and the country. They hate Hillary! They don't like Mccain either because of his stance on the war. They feel the economy can not get back into shape until the war is resolved by a major pull out. They are willing to vote for Obama and some of them are not voting at all. Not one of them will be voting for Hillary and if she runs Mccain gets their vote.
Bottom line
Republicans are like a third of registered voters.
I tried really hard to get behind Barack Obama when he looked like he was definitely going to win during February, but I have a hard time envisioning him as President. I mean it's really good that he's such a good speaker and that his supporters are really enthusiastic and his heart is in the right place, but he only has three years experience in the Senate and that doesn't seem right for a nominee for president.
Also I don't understand why so many people hate Hillary? What did she do to make anybody mad before running against Barack?
Sorry I am asking so many questions but I am mostly a lurker.
Sorry I am asking so many questions but I am mostly a lurker.
Aesop
At least you're not a stalker.
If the dems are going to win the general election, which red state is going to the one to put them over the top? My guess is Ohio, but I am not really sure.
If the dems are going to win the general election, which red state is going to the one to put them over the top? My guess is Ohio, but I am not really sure.
just asking
No, Utah and Wyoming will put them over teh top!
No, Utah and Wyoming will put them over teh top!
LOL thats 100% not going to happen!
When Bill Clinton ran, his appeal was incredible, the election map was was a sea of Blue States. I don't think neither Hillary or Barack are capable of doing what Bill did.
Seems to me that Fla. is the red states most likely to break blue.
For McCain to be old, he doesn't draw the vote in that national Demographic to the extent Hillary does.
Could be something to do with experience, positive experience voters had, relating to their perception of the candidate.
Other than not wanting McCain to win any more elections either as the presidential race or in the Senate, I have no dogs in this run, at least till the national Democratic party convention. All the primary lead up is just noise to me. It isn't telling me who will:
end the WOT,
fix the broken constitution and Bill of Rights,
Restore our countries honor,
Fix the economy,
restore the executive branch's power to constitutional levels?
You would think Florida would trend blue, but I don't trust that state and for good reason. Republican officials dominate that state.
Seems to me that Fla. is the red states most likely to break wind.
Fixed your telegraphy.
i'm not going to go so far`as to say that i think an obama presidency may be bad for the country and the party.
i will say that if we get a competent democratic president in office, the contrast between her or him and the current office holder will have a major effect on elections for the next twenty years.
a less than effective presidency, a presidency that is slow coming out of the gate, a presidency where people are untested could easily become poison for the democratic party at this point in history.
i'm with you, aesop. i have lots of questions but no place to ask them....because i don't want or need to be beat up by partisans.
Seems to me that Fla. is the red states most likely to break wind.
Wrong anatomy Doug, Florida is America's wang.
Wrong anatomy Doug, Florida is America's wang.
Looks like a colon to me.
Honestly, I am an Obama supporter and this election scares me. I am so afraid of republican control again that I want to make the right call. I believe that our best chance is with Obama. But I was sooooo wrong with thinking Kerry was going to beat Bush. I was depressed for 3 months and I am not a person who is prone to depression. I could not believe the Americans were dumb enough to vote for Bush again. It still sickens me.
I am voting straight ticket Dem. no matter who the candidate is and I am crossing my fingers that America has awaken from dead.
BTW Doug, great photos, thanks for throwing the Thumbs out there, you wouldn't by chance have a new camera?
i'm with you, aesop. i have lots of questions but no place to ask
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Thanks, Henry. I tried asking the people at work who mostly support Obama, but they gave me less than helpful explanations that mostly amounted to I would understand that Obama is better than anyone else if my head was on straight.
end the WOT,
fix the broken constitution and Bill of Rights,
Restore our countries honor,
Fix the economy,
restore the executive branch's power to constitutional levels?
Sounds like that would be Ron Paul, but he doesn't have a chance.
Ron Paul is the Sonny Bono of POTUS hopefuls. He needs a better half to get there.
So welfare mother don't just spend their government cash on Cadillacs.
Who could have known that Ronnie Raygun was full of shit?
Extra cash from government program linked to better child development
Berkeley -- Children in impoverished families that received an extra amount of cold, hard cash from a government support program were taller, less likely to be overweight, and scored higher on cognitive, motor and language tests, compared with kids in families that received less money, says a new study led by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_re...--
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You can thanks the GOP prole in Washington state who stopped voting early because he knew the right wing lumberjacks were backing Paul.
Had he won that race, there's a damned good chance he'd be in the headlines still, and that McCain would have come unhinged.
Perhaps John "more wars and no jobs" McCain AND Hillary "John McCain is so great" Clinton should take heed.
Americans are tired of the people with the wrong experience and the wrong ideas leading this country down the wrong path.
give thanks*
scared in PA
You are so right to be afraid, I shudder to think what just one more R presidential term would do to this country. Refresshing attitude you have for an Obama supporter, I'll vote for him if he's the nominee but the selection process isn't over by a long shot.
Like Mayor Daley's regime in Chicago is a paragon of ethics and efficiency.
Americans are tired of the people with the wrong experience and the wrong ideas
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But I can't think of what the right experience is that Barack Obama has that would be the right resume for him to be President, and when I go to the Obama website and the Clinton website to compare their solutions, I can't tell the difference. The biggest thing to me is that they both have Health Care plans and plans for Iraq that are about the same and not nearly like I would want. My mom is from Canada and she calls them both republicans.
New camera? No, I'm still looking. Those photos were taken with my old fuji E550. A somewhat flawed camera with a great image sensor, with excellent color gamut range and sensitivity,. The lens is the worst part of it.
I keep hoping the cameras put out by the partnership between Leica and Panasonic will finally fix their sensor noise problems. If they do I'm kind of partial to this one.
For a camera with a fixed zoom lens, this looks pretty good.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/.../panasonicfz18/
We will be back.
Jesus X. Crutch | Homepage | 03.09.08 - 5:43 am | #
Thanks for the validation. I don't believe this long primary process is a bad thing. Every state that is participating is bringing in new dem. voters.
WE WILL BE BACK! LIKE ROACHES!
Who could have known that Ronnie Raygun was full of shit?
Oh stop it. They already hijacked the cadillacs from little old white ladies. The welfare check was spent on drugs, afrosheen and BBQ.
Chuck Norris as VP was what we really needed to go with Ron Paul.
Unfortunately, for Paulistas and Lou Dobbs, Norris' own line of infomerical weight loss methods found alliance with the surgically skinny Huckabee.
Marketing found that the target audience connected better with a preacher who plays rock and roll cover tunes.
We will be back.
Denny Hastert
Don't count on it.
--Grim Reaper
Baron Harkonnen Hastert should make an appearance on WWF. He could have grilled pro wrestlers over the use of steroids.
Mr. Murder should get better writers.
3.1 2008/03/09 09:24:08 34.134 -117.455 1.6 4 km ( 3 mi) N of Fontana, CA
3.9 2008/03/09 09:22:31 34.150 -117.459 1.2 6 km ( 4 mi) N of Fontana, CA
2 Earthquakes 2 minutes apart 46 miles outside of Los Angeles
plantsman,
You could answer for 'truth' who had no reply to why Obama voted against troop withdrawal in 2006?
But I can't think of what the right experience is that Barack Obama has that would be the right resume for him to be President, and when I go to the Obama website and the Clinton website to compare their solutions, I can't tell the difference. The biggest thing to me is that they both have Health Care plans and plans for Iraq that are about the same and not nearly like I would want. My mom is from Canada and she calls them both republicans.
Aesop
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These are the choices that we have. Of the three of them, I will take the new guy over the two old war horses who are the McSame. Hillary has adopted all of the republicans most repulsive tactics, including George Bush's tactic of never admitting a mistake.
We will be back.
Denny Hastert
You could be sharing a cell with Tom Delay, ixnay on the oachray.
What is the right experience that Barack Obama has to be President? I am trying to figure out what to do with a literature degree right now and people talk to me about getting experience a lot, so it kind of irks me that Barack Obama gets a pass. I am also trying to figure out what is better about his policy proposals that make them better than Hillary Clinton's and why people seem to think that they are more liberal.
Also I don't understand why so many people hate Hillary? What did she do to make anybody mad before running against Barack?
Can I answer that seriously?
I did not hate her before she came to my state. I had decided to back Barack, because I do think he has better judgement, I think he's smarter than either Hillary or McBush, and I think he has a shot at changing this country's consensus of what kind of society and people we are.
I was also impressed that he is able to drag young people away from American Idol and make them think about issues and get passionate about civics.
For those (and some other) reasons, he gets my backing. It wasn't a question of being against Hillary, it was being for someone else.
And then she came to my state. She ran negative, insulting, and misleading commercials. She sent me direct mail full of lies and mischaracterizations. And she insulted everyone that wasn't backing her by telling us we needed to "get real" "be smart" and "stop being naive." She got ugly and she made sure everyone here knew she enjoyed it. I've had it with her.
I think a lot of people here have too. Many of them are long-time democratic activists. We're all done with the Clintons, now and forever.
This is a case where Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain should take the initiative and denounce the fear-mongering about Mr. Obama as hate speech. The wink-wink references to “Barack Hussein Obama” and lies about his going to a madrassa are the religious equivalent of racial slurs, and Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton should denounce them in the strongest terms. This is their chance to show leadership.
When Mrs. Clinton was asked in a television interview a week ago whether Mr. Obama is a Muslim, she denied it firmly — but then added, most unfortunately, “as far as I know.” To his credit, Mr. McCain scolded a radio host who repeatedly referred to “Barack Hussein Obama” and later called him a Manchurian candidate.
You could not answer 'truth' to "Baron Harkonnen Obama", however.
Yeah, Barack made everyone want to vote.
Not the worst ever AWOL.
What is the right experience that Barack Obama has to be President?
The legal requirements for who may be President are set forth in the Constitution. Any other requirements are illusory and invented by their profferers
What is the right experience that Barack Obama has to be President? I am trying to figure out what to do with a literature degree right now and people talk to me about getting experience a lot, so it kind of irks me that Barack Obama gets a pass.
Gets a pass? what the fuck are you talking about? He's a Harvard educated lawyer with 20 plus years of public service.
I personally don't think that anything anyone does in the senate much prepares you for the presidency, so what does it matter how long you are there?
And why are you so impressed with Hillary's "experience"? She's only been in the senate a few years longer. Before that she was first lady and before that a corporate lawyer in Little Rock.
Her one big foray into public policy was a big, fat failure.
Her biggest test on foreign policy was the Iraq war. She flunked. Miserably.
And she didn't even bother reading the NIE beforehand.
I will take the new guy over the two old war horses who are the McSame
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I don't want to be rude, but this doesn't seem like much of an answer to me since we are talking about being President of the United States. Also the second statement I think is kind of innacurate since like I said Barack Obama's and Hillary Clinton's policy statements are about the same and John Mccain says he wants to have even more troops in Iraq and no universal health care. It's not very helpful if you don't provide facts.
Baron Harkonnen Hastert should make an appearance on WWF. He could have grilled pro wrestlers over the use of steroids.
Mr.Murder
Mr. Murder should get better writers.
plantsman
You could not answer 'truth' to "Baron Harkonnen Obama", however. plantsman
What of the above statements lacks consistency?
The other reason I'm not backing Hillary is that she will not do us any good on the down ticket races.
In my state that's a big deal. We desperately need some help to dislodge the crazy rethugs we have both in the state lege and in the senate and house.
With Hillary on the ticket the Texas rethug party will turn out in force to vote against her.
And we'll end up stuck with fucking John turtle boy Cornyn for another 6 miserable years.
A person's voting choice requires no "facts" for others to approve or disapprove. Nobody else has a say. Get a grip.
And that makes Obama's voting against troop withdrawal in 2006 correct how?
I think a lot of people here have too. Many of them are long-time democratic activists. We're all done with the Clintons, now and forever.
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U?
Does that mean you won't vote for her if she's the Democratic nominee?
Barack Obama is not a fictional character in a Dune novel, for starters - and consistency isn't my objection - puerile mud-slinging is.
I don't want to be rude, but this doesn't seem like much of an answer to me since we are talking about being President of the United States.
Hillary thinks there's nothing wrong with Washington. She just thinks the wrong people are in charge.
Obama knows it's a fucked up place with lobbyists running amok.
With either Hillary or McCain you get the status quo.
If you think things are just fine and dandy, by all means, vote for one of them.
Don't try to tar me with YOUR objections to Obama, learn where the hell you stop and everyone else starts, for Jeebus sake.
Morning peeps.
Still at it I see.
Does that mean you won't vote for her if she's the Democratic nominee?
You know what? I'm in fucking Texas, and if she's the nominee she'll concede the state and not even compete here.
So I've been thinking about this all day, and it doesn't really matter if I vote for her or not.
Republicans here hate her- they'll carry the state for McCain, so what's the fucking difference?
She ran negative, insulting, and misleading commercials. She sent me direct mail full of lies and mischaracterizations. And she insulted everyone that wasn't backing her by telling us we needed to "get real" "be smart" and "stop being naive." She got ugly and she made sure everyone here knew she enjoyed it. I've had it with her.
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I'm really sorry but I guess I really have to disagree with you. I see that Barack Obama has made insulting personal statements about Hillary Clinton also. When I ran for student body president back in high school, it sounded about the same as this race, and I kind of felt insulted, but everybody told me to suck it up and take it like a man.
I have no idea what flower this is but I liked it. Maybe Plantsman could help ID it.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/n2WTvwPF.jpg
I attributed the character to Hastert in the above statement.
To the point it was higlighted in the statement and emboldened to contrast the difference between what I said, and what you said I said.
Perhaps your own Freudian assumptions bear weight there, buddy.
The difference is only that you should follow your conscience in the matter.
I'm really sorry but I guess I really have to disagree with you. I see that Barack Obama has made insulting personal statements about Hillary Clinton also.
Like what?
Has he said she's unqualified for office? no.
She insults not only him, but the people who support her.
I have no idea what flower this is but I liked it. Maybe Plantsman could help ID it.
That's pretty. It looks like a variety of chrysanthemum.
It looks very like a Scabiosa of some kind, but lacks the distinctive ray-type outer petals they often have.
Scabiosa ochraleuca, perhaps.
She said you'd have to ask him if he was qualified.
Apparently, in the time she said that to now, he's done nothing to prove that to you, and you are mad at her for it.
Not that it would be less than juvenile to be mad about an opportunity to state your position.
stoopid haloscan
Chrysanthemums are a huge and varied tribe of plants that have repeatedly been classified into ever more groupings -- and it might be one, but the bud has the look of a Scabious.
"Foster's win shows John McCain's strength with independents"-Morning Joe
The difference is only that you should follow your conscience in the matter.
plantsman,
Voting against troop withdrawl in 2006, from the canddiate who claims to be anti war?
What exaclty changed between 2002 and 2006?
Perhaps the Rezko/Auchi venture to build a power plant in Kuwait?
"Foster's win shows John McCain's strength with independents"-Morning Joe
jr
She said you'd have to ask him if he was qualified.
"She" does not set the bar for qualifications, The Constitution does, quite clearly.
Guilt by Association, meaning tarring Obama with Rezko, has a sorry history.
I don't want to be rude, but this doesn't seem like much of an answer to me since we are talking about being President of the United States. Also the second statement I think is kind of innacurate since like I said Barack Obama's and Hillary Clinton's policy statements are about the same and John Mccain says he wants to have even more troops in Iraq and no universal health care. It's not very helpful if you don't provide facts.
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you seem to feel you have all of the facts and still don't know who to vote for. I can't help you. You will either have to sit this one out or choose. It's up to you, fella. Or do you always want someone to make your decisions for you?
Hillary Clinton decided to compare herself to John McCain as having experience Barack Obama does not. I find that comparison accurate. She was wrong on the vote for the Iraq war, just like McCain. She was wrong on voting for George Bush to attack Iran, just like McCain. And she believes that these votes count as experience, just like McCain. They do. They count as the experience of being wrong, again.
You will have to decide for yourself, from your research, from your mother in Canada, and from whatever else you can think of, who to vote for. I'm not in charge of making that decision for you.
Ron Paul will win in Texas!
He will secede from the nation and found the Republic of Paulyana!
Yanno, guys, there really isn't that much difference between the two when it comes to policy. It really comes down to which one you like better and which one you think will have a better chance in the g.e. And we all have our reasons for choosing one over the other.
Like what?
Has he said she's unqualified for office? no.
She insults not only him, but the people who support her.
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I think qualifications for office would be exactly the kind of questions that would be appropriate for a political campaign. When people raised that issue about me in the same way in the Student Body President campaign, I didn't even consider it to be one of the personal type of attacks. Barack Obama made some attacks in ads in January that kind of made out that Hillary Clinton was an immoral person and I thought those were really harsh and personal.
"She" does not set the bar for qualifications, The Constitution does, quite clearly.
plantsman,
Don't tell me about it, complain to Mr.Reporter guy. .
Apparently, in the time she said that to now, he's done nothing to prove that to you, and you are mad at her for it.
No, that's dead wrong.
I think he's qualified. I think she's disqualified herself with her resume padding and her mean spirited and deceitful campaigning.
CNN: "Bill Clinton: A Clinton-Obama ticket would be 'unstoppable'"
Hmmm, um, well, okay. But is he like thinking she might not win?
Guilt by Association, meaning tarring Obama with Rezko, has a sorry history.
plantsman,
The man who shared an LLC with his wife, who ran a Panama shell corporation for her own oil for food profiteer husband?
When people raised that issue about me in the same way in the Student Body President campaign
Do you understand what "irrelevant to the issue" means? 'Cause you have a death grip on it.
What you people fail to realize is this has been the Dem strategy all along. Go long. Go deep! But it will fail! Ron Paul will reach around and come from behind!
I collect and snort my dandruff!
the practically broke NRCC
I think I'll write that on my hand so I can look at it all day.
'morning, peoples.
I have to agree with qlª - they're just not that different w/respect to what they'll do if elected. The corporations still own them - and, us. Our jobs as citizens will not cease. We will not be able to go back to ignoring what our gov't does. We'll have to watch them every fucking minute. As for McCain? God forbid.
I think she's disqualified herself with her resume padding and her mean spirited and deceitful campaigning.
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U?
Yeah, those undeserving women always putting a bunch of hearsay and embellishment to their qualifications.
CNN: "Bill Clinton: A Clinton-Obama ticket would be 'unstoppable'"
He going around saying this at the rallies because he thinks he can get some Obama people to vote for Hillary because if she wins she will pick Obama as VP. If he wins not so likely. Hope no one is falling for this BS.
Republicans here hate her- they'll carry the state for McCain, so what's the fucking difference?
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U?
I'm in Colorado and I've been voting a straight Democratic ticket for years in this red state, hell I even voted for Ken Salazar, I'm disappointed of course, but he's still better than Pete Coors. I think we may turn this state blue for the first time ever this fall but not if we blink. I'll keep voting a straight Democratic ticket because the first order of business is to turn out the republicans.
Go, Mr. Murder; keep alleging guilt by association, blaming Obama for the sins of Rezko -- you're bound to stumble onto something juicy sometime.
It really comes down to which one you like better and which one you think will have a better chance in the g.e.
Actually that isn't it at all for me, though I do think he has a much better chance in the general election.
For me it's about getting rid of the old guard in the democratic party.
Putting those people back in charge is just exchanging one set of assholes for another.
Is this a mallow?
http://thumbsnap.com/v/nVQKZ9SL.jpg
All the flowers here are new to me with a few exceptions of ones that had cold weather equivalents in Montana or back east.
You mean there's nothing to Obama and Rezko whatsoever?
For me it's about getting rid of the old guard in the democratic party.
Like Daley spokesman Axelrod running Obama's campaign....
Doug - wow! What a gorgeous flower - as was the other one. I've not seen either before. Where are you photographing these??
You will have to decide for yourself, from your research, from your mother in Canada, and from whatever else you can think of, who to vote for. I'm not in charge of making that decision for you.
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I already made a choice to vote for Hillary Clinton because I have a hard time believing that Barack Obama has the right kind of experience to be the President, and now I am even less sure of his qualifications because he doesn't seem to survive very well when some tought criticism is directed at him. Republican candidates fight very dirty. I'm just judging Senator Obama by the same standards that were applied to me when I ran for Student Body President. If I could be critised fairly for not having enough experience and also take nasty campaigning without complaining for a high school election, why should it be different for President of the United States?
Obama and Rezko. There is no there, there. No substance.
Penny Pritzker, Obama, And The Giant Housing Catastrophe
Who is Penny Pritzker?
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt...ves/
002123.html
Who is Penny Pritzker, eh? And what does she have to do with Big Shitpile?
Now I'll just go and smoke this bowl of homegrown toenails.
He going around saying this at the rallies because he thinks he can get some Obama people to vote for Hillary because if she wins she will pick Obama as VP. If he wins not so likely. Hope no one is falling for this BS.
I doubt it.
If anything it will anger people.
You mean there's nothing to Obama and Rezko whatsoever?
Mr.Murder
Not a damn thing.
We can't see if it's a mallow, which can be determined by a central pollinating structure in the blossom, as it the linked photo.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/HJ3ddIl7.jpg
By habit and the formation of the buds it resembles
a hollyhock - which IS a mallow, but I can't be sure.
{{{{{{{{Sarah Deere}}}}}}}
Nice to see you!
I wasn't asking the Pauliac. Obama's finance chair was on the board of a failed bank as well. Let's not argue semantics over her right now though.
CNN: "Bill Clinton: A Clinton-Obama ticket would be 'unstoppable'"
Hmmm, um, well, okay. But is he like thinking she might not win?
EkCenTriK
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He's been thinking that for a while now. It's why he went all racial in South Carolina.
Another reason I don't want to vote for Hillary. I am tired of dynastic rule in this country. Enough is enough. In this vast country, there are other very capable people besides these two families who are so very close with each other.
And experience is another red herring. What presidential experience did George Washington have? Or Abraham Lincoln? Or FDR, or JFK? What presidential experience did William Jefferson Clinton, governor of Arkansas, have before he became President? NONE!!!! No one, not even the wife of a president, can have presidential experience before becoming president. If being the wife of a president is all it takes, then Pickles Bush should run.
Like Daley spokesman Axelrod running Obama's campaign....
Like fucking Terry McAullife who tried to give Dean's 50 state project.
Are you trying to tell me Hillary ISN'T the status quo?
Seriously?
Do you understand what "irrelevant to the issue" means? 'Cause you have a death grip on it.
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Since when is experience irrelevant to being the President of the whole United States of America? I told you, I hear a lot right now about my lack of experience, so it irks me that people can think that it is not important when we are talking about the Presidency.
Here's a spiral petroglyph.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/gpsFIJLh.jpg
No, you're trying to say Obama isn't.
I dunno, Bill could be right. IF (big fucking If) O-man and Hill could actually get along and one of them could suborn their ego (larger, even than that of a surgeon, apparently) and accept the veep position, I suspect such a ticket would indeed be unbeatable. Better than McCain/Lieberman, at any rate
Plus, Big Dick has so expanded the powers of the VP that it ought to look like a very attractive job to the right person.....
Since when is experience irrelevant to being the President of the whole United States of America?
Since the writers of The Constitution didn't spell it out, bozo! Now does the light begin to dawn?
Hillary can't win this on pledged delegates. I don't think the super delegates are going to against the peoples votes. She could only be running this late in the game to hope she gets close enough so it forces Obama to pick her as VP. What do you think?
No, you're trying to say Obama isn't.
So the status quo is just fine with you?
You don't think we need change?
And btw, what I meant was that being Student Body President is irrelevant to being President of The United States.
What do you think?
I think I should get stoned, that's what I think.
Since when is experience irrelevant to being the President of the whole United States of America?
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Since forever. Please tell me what experience Bill Clinton had as governor of Arkansas to qualify him to be president? What experience besides being falling down drunk, did George W. have?
What experience besides being a bad actor did Ronald Reagan have?
Experience for the job has NEVER been required!!!!
Cool Petroglyph, Doug!
hey, V for Virginia! I'm an insomniac - what's your excuse? I guess you're a very early riser!
Hillary can't win this on pledged delegates. I don't think the super delegates are going to against the peoples votes.
Except that without FL & MI she has nearly half the votes, with FL & MI she has more than half the votes.
Listen I am old, I have alot of experience in relationships. Guess what..... I still suck at it!
SD, I was taking these pictures in the Saguaro (West) national monument and at Gate's pass west of Tucson early this morning. It was nice and cool. I also finally got a year long entry pass, since the Saguaro (East) national monument is on the way home from work if I drive down Old Spanish Trail. I was thinking this might be an easy way to get in a few extra walks a week for exercise. I work nights and when summer hits, early in the morning is about the only time it's sensible and even safe to take a walk. It's too hot later in the day.
Hillary can't win this on pledged delegates. I don't think the super delegates are going to against the peoples votes. She could only be running this late in the game to hope she gets close enough so it forces Obama to pick her as VP. What do you think?
No, I think she just wants to keep it close enough, and throw enough sinks at Obama that she can go to the convention and say, "he's not electable. he's damaged goods. I'm your only hope." Her people have been saying so openly the past couple of days.
I think that's an appallingly cynical and destructive tactic.
Obama cannot get enough pledged delegates either and for example in Wyoming less than ten per cent of the state's Democrats voted.
Is this a mallow?
I don't think so Doug, Mallow is a weed that I have an abundance of in my yard, they grow right down on the ground and spread out flat from a tough and deep central root. I've read that it's related to okra.
And experience is another red herring. What presidential experience did George Washington have? Or Abraham Lincoln? Or FDR, or JFK? What presidential experience did William Jefferson Clinton, governor of Arkansas, have before he became President? NONE!!!!
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I was doing some reading on that subject, and it turns out that Bill Clinton was a governor for ten years and that JFK had been in congress for more than 12 years. Most presidents in the 20th Century were either governors, vice-president, or a general like Eisenhower. I guess George Washington had been the general in charge of winning the Revolutionary War, that's all. I can't find any president in the 20th century who became President with less than one term in national office except Eisenhower was in charge of Allied Armies in World War II.
The MI results can't fairly be accepted, since Obama was not on nor could be written into the ballot. Fl is a nice mess the Republicans foisted off on the Democrats.
I dunno, Bill could be right. IF (big fucking If) O-man and Hill could actually get along and one of them could suborn their ego (larger, even than that of a surgeon, apparently) and accept the veep position
That's the crux of the biscuit. I'm not sure Hillary would want the second spot; she might feel that she's more effective in the Senate, and she may not feel that she can wait 8 years to move into the presidency (although Obama could).
Aesop -- since experience is so critical to you I expect you'll be voting for McCain, anyway.
Except that without FL & MI she has nearly half the votes, with FL & MI she has more than half the votes.
Oh, right.
Michigan. Where she was the only one on the ballot.
Fl is a nice mess the Republicans foisted off on the Democrats.
So is Michigan.
Okra is clearly a mallow, the flower is a dead giveaway. Again it's a large and varied family, and it's not wise to claim a surety you don't have.
Michigan. Where she was the only one on the ballot
She wasn't. Kucinich and Gravel were also.
hey, V for Virginia! I'm an insomniac - what's your excuse? I guess you're a very early riser!
Sarah Deere
Yeah, I am, dammit. I didn't want to get up, but my brain made me.
Stupid brain.
Apples are mallows, aren't they?? They come in all shapes and sizes (mallows, that is), I think.
The red flower did look like a kind of hollyhock, though, as plantsman said.
Doug, there must be a wildflower book for your area, no?
What a wonderful place to walk!
For Florida and Michigan to count, they are going to have to have a do over. Not the voters fault, but the leaders of their party for acting like republicans in thinking that rules didn't apply to them.
She wasn't. Kucinich and Gravel were also.
All the top candidates agreed to take their names of the ballot.
She (oh, whoops!!) somehow forgot to do that.
See, where people say the
"lose" and hour of sleep - I found an extra hour of sleep.
Normally I would have been up before 5 a.m. - today I woke at 6:10 a.m. I went to bed around the same time - 9 p.m.
Since when is experience irrelevant to being the President of the whole United States of America?
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Since forever. Please tell me what experience Bill Clinton had as governor of Arkansas to qualify him to be president? What experience besides being falling down drunk, did George W. have?
What experience besides being a bad actor did Ronald Reagan have?
Experience for the job has NEVER been required!!!!
foolme1ns | 03.09.08 - 6:40 am | #
Since when is experience irrelevant to being the President of the whole United States of America?
Since the writers of The Constitution didn't spell it out, bozo! Now does the light begin to dawn?
plantsman, | Homepage | 03.09.08 - 6:37 am | #
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I'm sorry guys, but arguing that experience is not relevant to being President of the United States of America is really silly. Do you really expect people to agree with that! I don't like being rude, but I really have to laugh at that.
And Obama ran ads in FL. They're both fighting hard and good on them.
All the top candidates agreed to take their names of the ballot.
She (oh, whoops!!) somehow forgot to do that.
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U?
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Hillary Clinton doesn't forget to do anything. She is very Rovian.
V for Virginia - I wish my brain would make the transition from night to day. It stupidly refuses to go to sleep when it's supposed to, dammit.
She (oh, whoops!!) somehow forgot to do that
Gee.
Go figure.
For Florida and Michigan to count, they are going to have to have a do over. Not the voters fault, but the leaders of their party for acting like republicans in thinking that rules didn't apply to them.
The Clinton people were very well represented on the rules committee, they can hardly complain now about it.
Though obviously that won't stop them.
So Obama commanded the First Continental Army, Was Sec. of the Navy, or a decorated sailor with a combined Decade in Congress between the House and Senate?
Oh, Lincoln is certainly not comparable to today's eras. Though he was critical of corporations and their influence in private, to the extent he foreshadowed Ike's later position on undue influence in policy.
Did Lincoln ever admire Reagan?
Maybe the suspension of Habeas?
Agreeing "not to interfere with slavery where it exists" in a campaign perhaps?
People are trying to attach comparisons that don't hold weight. If he's new, why compare him to all of these others? Next comment, we'll see some of the reasons.
Apples, (and Blackberrries, and pears and most stone-fruits) are Roses if you want to get down to it. All of them originated in or around Alma-Ata, an ancient Silk Road City in one of the "Stans".
Every state I believe the Democrats have outnumbered (according to MSNBC) the republicans with the exception of Michigan and Florida.
Not everyone came out and voted in these states because they were told it would not count.
They have to have a do-over to be fair to all the voters.
For Florida and Michigan to count, they are going to have to have a do over.
foolme1ns
Florida is not going to have a do-over. I think there's a better case for MI, since there was only one candidate on the ballot there. We had all the candidates on the ballot, and we're winner-take-all, so it'd be a really tough sell to do it again.
I don't like being rude
Well, you certainly enjoy being dense.
THERE WERE 3 NAMES ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT-
CLINTON
KUCINICH
GRAVEL
PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF IT.
Aesop, whether you agree or not is also irrelevant.
The Constitution sets the rules. You don't. Laugh away.
The acceptance of certain monies by the DLC or DNC was part of the agreement to take names off the ballot in those states, no?
Dick Cheney had loads of experience, so did Donald Rumsfield. Experience means shit!
Aesop,
for someone who decries how much he hates to be rude, you are an awfully rude jerk.
I say experience doesn't matter. It never has and never will.
You still didn't tell me what experience Ronald Reagan and George W Bush had that qualified them for the job. I'm waiting.
I'd suggest you move to Canada with your mother, then you don't have to decide.
Hillary isn't going to do anything for my state. Just like Bill didn't do anything through out the 90's.
Aesop: consider studying the definition of the word obtuse , and post your picture next to it, if you like.
Aesop -- since experience is so critical to you I expect you'll be voting for McCain, anyway.
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No, because I disagree with him on most things. I am really disapointed since the Democratic nominees are both so conservative that they are pratically more conservative than Nixon. To me, Mccain is the republican with the stupid policies, Hillary is the republican with barely acceptable policies, and Obama is the republican with the same policies as Hillary but without the correct experience to hold the most important and difficult job in the world. Why democrats would get so exited about somebody who is nearly a republican like Obama is beyond me.
And....
the opposite of obtuse is acute.
Lupines?
http://thumbsnap.com/v/L1u30mLa.jpg
I had lupines growing wild at my place in Montana. Obviously if these are lupines they are a different one. I'm sure ones in Montana would be burnt the first day they came up, in AZ.
Gravel and Kucinich were considered "first-tier" or "viable" candidates by a very few people, including NTodd.
Florida is not going to have a do-over.
Why?
Do they think if they stamp their little feetsies hard enough that Dr.Dean will just say, "oh, our bad."
Lupines?
Yes, those look like bluebonnets. Though I'd have to see them a little closer to be sure.
Hillary and Obama like republicans, that laughable......Thats why their voting record shows they voted Liberal 96.5% of the time, Right?
Your a repub...get lost!!!
Could be, from the bluebonnet wing of the family, or perhaps some type of salvia. In this case a macro shot of the blossom would be helpful.
Lupines are from the pea family, btw.
PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF IT.
Barndog, here fishy, fishy..
OH, OK, DAMMIT.
Our wildflowers are gonna suck this year because of the drought.
We've had a little rain this week, but I think it's too little too late.
Fizzy beverage to 4LG.
Gravel and Kucinich were considered "first-tier" or "viable" candidates by a very few people, including NTodd.
They make damned fine cookies though.
Doug, I'd agree w/lupines because of the leaves. (That is, I agree w/you that they are lupines...)
Fizzy beverage to 4LG.
Thanks.
morning, all.
here we just are seeing the last of our gorgeous 6+ inches of snow, I have high hopes for the bluebonnets up at Lake Texoma.
No, because I disagree with him on most things. I am really disapointed since the Democratic nominees are both so conservative that they are pratically more conservative than Nixon. To me, Mccain is the republican with the stupid policies, Hillary is the republican with barely acceptable policies, and Obama is the republican with the same policies as Hillary but without the correct experience to hold the most important and difficult job in the world. Why democrats would get so exited about somebody who is nearly a republican like Obama is beyond me.
Aesop
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Since you don't like any of them, what does it matter to you what other people think? Don't vote or write in the name of whoever you like and go on with yourself. You've got nothing to offer.
Different plants respond to drought differently.
Some droop and expire, some "try like hell" to make babies.
The reasons people compare Obama to Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, are that these people were historical and had to lead in eras of transition and crisis.
But trying to attach some kind of direct link to their efforts in comparative terms is a bit of a stretch.
As close as he could come to claiming that, Hillary could do the same.
I say experience doesn't matter. It never has and never will.
You still didn't tell me what experience Ronald Reagan and George W Bush had that qualified them for the job. I'm waiting.
I'd suggest you move to Canada with your mother, then you don't have to decide.
foolme1ns | 03.09.08 - 6:50 am | #
Aesop: consider studying the definition of the word obtuse , and post your picture next to it, if you like.
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In debate classes, they teach you that people who lose their tempers and insult you have no answers, are losing the debate, and are doing exactly the opposite of convincing people of the correctness of their point of view. Ronald Reagan and George Bush were two of the most inexperienced and destructive Presidents we have ever had.
Why?
Do they think if they stamp their little feetsies hard enough that Dr.Dean will just say, "oh, our bad."
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U? |
Because the FL congressional delegation and the state party are dead set against it. It's a 20-million dollar proposition that no one is going to agree to pay for.
Sarah Deere, how are things? so good to see you that here's a present, also for alla you. http://thumbsnap.com/v/iUJjvHL6.jpg
she's gotcha!
Why democrats would get so exited about somebody who is nearly a republican like Obama is beyond me.
Oh, right. Because so many republicans talk about poverty and improving rural schools and science education and global warming and restoring habeas corpus and ending the Iraq war.
Oh, and about ending bush's tax cuts.
Yeah, he's just like McCain. Why didn't I see that before?
If you think this is me losing my temper, you're badly mistaken. This is me being sweet, I'm afraid.
Florida is not going to have a do-over.
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rules matter, otherwise there is chaos, which is where we were heading with all of this early primary crap, before Dr. Dean put a stop to it. Florida and Michigan thumbed their noses at the rules.
It's either a do over or nothing.
Lupine express!
Ronald Reagan and George Bush were two of the most inexperienced and destructive Presidents we have ever had.
Aesop
RR was governor of the second-largest state in the country. You don't think executive experience counts? WPE was also a governor, although in a weak-executive governorship.
Go read a book.
Because the FL congressional delegation and the state party are dead set against it. It's a 20-million dollar proposition that no one is going to agree to pay for.
They can do a mail in or a caucus.
But they're not going to get seated otherwise.
Another of my pictures of dead saguaros.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/gHN7FZWl.jpg
V4VA, the FL Dems would be really imposed on to have to pay when they had the whole thing done to them by the FL GoPervs. that would be totally unjust.
But Lookit all the life and renewal around that dead guy!
Another of my pictures of dead saguaros.
That's so sad. Don't they live a really long time?
So, a week in the 40's this week.
I may have to un-winterize my 5th wheel.
I have this odd twitch in my left wrist...akin to flipping a fly rod.
Also, they'd probably have repubs trying to come in and cross the line to skew any activity there.
The GOP doesn't pay, sends all theirs to play spoiler, and sets the entire process into catharsis.
Doug, the kidnapping of great cactuses for landscaping is a tragedy. and why did the sequaro die?
V4VA, the FL Dems would be really imposed on to have to pay when they had the whole thing done to them by the FL GoPervs. that would be totally unjust.
Ruth
Well, yeah; and I don't see the national party financing it. They'd have to get the candidates to kick in, and why would Clinton want to? She won!
I'd love to do it over, but then I'd vote every week if I had a chance. Just don't think it's going to happen.
MI, OTOH, should (IMO).
Republican Gov. Charlie Crist (aka Silver and Tan Man ) has adamantly refused to take responsibility for what he and the State Legislature did
I have this odd twitch in my left wrist...akin to flipping a fly rod.
Barndog, here fishy, fishy..
Mine is that hoeing urge... oops.
V-I just can't see them not counting FL or MI. Since all the names were on the ballot in FL I'm not even sure they need a do over. MI definitely.
So, a week in the 40's this week.
I may have to un-winterize my 5th wheel.
I have this odd twitch in my left wrist...akin to flipping a fly rod.
Barndog, here fishy, fishy..
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I don't know why it is so hard for Obama supporters to explain to me what the right experience is that he has for the toughest job in the world and why his policies for the future are better than Clinton's. Instead I get a silly statement that experience is not important for being President and no discussions of policy differences. That's pretty disappointing to me, and a good indication that Obama would have a hard time in a general election. The net result is that I am even more convinced that Clinton, although too conservative for me, is a better choice. Thanks for your help with this, and goodnight!
Ruth, did you get those potatoes coming?
plantsman, because the word "responsible" doesn't belong on the same page as "republican"
Mine is that hoeing urge... oops
I won't get that until the flowers start popping up from their winter's nap.
But first, it's rototiller time!!!
Also, they'd probably have repubs trying to come in and cross the line to skew any activity there.
Well, you should like that since the republicans WANT hillary to win.
V-I just can't see them not counting FL or MI. Since all the names were on the ballot in FL I'm not even sure they need a do over. MI definitely.
qlª
They're talking about some kind of formula for apportionment; don't know how that will work. They'll seat the FL delegates I'm pretty sure.
It's clear, you don't understand it. We get that.
Since all the names were on the ballot in FL I'm not even sure they need a do over.
Yes they do.
He never even campaigned there- she's been campaigning there for years.
They're talking about some kind of formula for apportionment; don't know how that will work. They'll seat the FL delegates I'm pretty sure.
No, they won't.
And they shouldn't.
That's complete crap.
Do they think if they stamp their little feetsies hard enough that Dr.Dean will just say, "oh, our bad."
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U?
Initially read that as "stomp their little fetuses" and it gave me some vision of bizarre theatre where they stomp dolls in unison as a form of disobedience and parody sketch.
A lot of the time saguaros die of entirely natural causes. Saguaros when they die will still be standing for years if not decades, and provide habitat for animals in their skeleton.
This makes the cactus wrens happy. Each nesting partner will build a bunch of nest, though they generally only lay eggs in one of them. Till I replaced all the light bulbs on my porch fixtures with twisty fluorescents, I had to pay close attention to if the wrens had (again) built a nest inside, so as to not start a house fire.
plantsman, I admit I'm behind in the ordering department, but my purple onions loves the snow melt. and beansprouts are half a foot high.
Everything that lives, dies. There's not always a clear reason why. People often expect plants to go thru all kinds of stresses and just perform, dammit! - because we want them to, without understanding much of anything about their lives.
I had to pay close attention to if the wrens had (again) built a nest inside, so as to not start a house fire.
Doug
mine have made holes in the top of the storage room in the carport, but I love them anyway.
This makes the cactus wrens happy. Each nesting partner will build a bunch of nest, though they generally only lay eggs in one of them.
Interesting. Dead trees provide homes to lots of birds, plus they are often full of insects. I had one on my property that woodpeckers loved because of the insect larvae they could dig out of it. The males also liked it because they could "drum" on it to attract females.
Ruth - gorgeous Tortie!!
The first Ocatillo flower I've seen this year.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/QvWuIXb0.jpg
Well, you should like that since the republicans WANT hillary to win.
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U?
As witnessed by he win in Wyomin-
I only ride you because Spring's a-comin', people are ordering, and the seed potatoes aren't getting any fresher or more available. Just want you to get what you want instead of what's left over.
Well dammit - high Sarah. I hope you are well.
We have plants in our office and they all look fine to me, but the lady who sits across from me and takes care of them seems to know when they need water or fertilizer and stuff. I figure if they are green they are fine. When they turn brown and crispy then they need water. I'm not very good at plants. If they would just make a noise when they needed something, or come and stare at me, like my dog, then I might be better.
It's funny, blooming ocotillos invariably remind me of corals and sponges under the sea -- I have no idea why.
Mr. Murder, I appreciated your comment about Nader not seeing the threat in the preemption fight the GoPervs are putting on. This is scary, raises the spectre that not just Pharma will be harmless for all the harm it does, but also the rest of industry, by precedent. yikes.
at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
A natural "sense" for what plants want or need is an uncommon gift, in my experience.
Sarah, that's Jocabel, a stray that attached to me about 12 years ago. She practically lives there on the hood of my car.
"Brown and Crispy", btw, is often a bit late.
The Ocatillos will sometimes, depending who knows what reason, will flower when the branches have no leaves on them. I've got one in my yards that hasn't had leaves in a couple of years but still flowers. The ones surrounding it throw out leaves several times a year.
Mongeese (?) will take on King Cobras, will they not?
"Brown and Crispy", btw, is often a bit late.
plantsman,
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yep, I found that out too. :-(
Nothing much is blooming here yet.
It's been too dry.
foolme1ns, brown and crispy happens when they get too much water, too. I have no sense for some plants, but others seem to like me. Aloe vera doesn't.
Snows thaw on my yard
Winter white, green grass, white bread
Bird shits van window
Doug, I think that's an adaptation or subspecies wherein the flesh or stalk becomes the photosynthesizing organ, as it is on a suguaro.
indeed, plantsman, mongeese are fierce and cobras don't cow them.
ah, cows.....
foolme1ns, brown and crispy happens when they get too much water, too. I have no sense for some plants, but others seem to like me. Aloe vera doesn't.
Ruth
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plants are happier if I just keep my distance. that is why I do silk flowers at the office. I change them with the seasons, and it seems to work out best.
Snows thaw on my yard
Winter white, green grass, white bread
Bird shits van window
Mr.Murder
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that was deep.
I change them with the seasons, and it seems to work out best.
foolme1ns
Mother Nature in silks, works for me.
foolme1ns, precisely. Doing what works is never the wrong thing.
Very nearly committed haiku.
thanks guys. I feel better now.
Right now I have daffodils and some yellow and purple weedy looking things in a vase and some flowering tree branches in another. It's quite pretty.
such a nice bright change from the winter arrangement.
Thanks, the way weather turns so fast of recent, the animals always are in search.
Bread and popcorn feeds the needy, it's unusual to see a cardinal on the ground. Lovely female.
Where not to be in a rainstorm.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/FJGd80f2.jpg
However it's easier to see snakes, and you can also keep away from all the thorny things that might get you.
hey, Barndog...goin' fishin', are you?
Used to go to eastern Oregon w/my ex in April - steelhead season opens. The wildflowers were breathtaking - phlox, for example. Fishing was catch and release, on the Deschutes. Love that river.
My pair of resident cardinals has returned.
Although, I have far greater concern for the pair of Cooper's Hawks out in the field behind my yard.
I have yet to locate a nest, but it can't be far off.
We've gotten a profusion of birds lately. Of course we haven't had any snow this winter, so they are all doing fine. They are making a racket outside right now and the sun hasn't even come up properly. All calling to each other. It's nice.
Ruth - 12 yrs, some stray! SOunds like a committed relationship, to me.
Morning, rational people.
Keep your distance: I have what is no doubt a fell communicable disease. Or maybe a cold.
Sarah - the steelhead are just beginning to run here. I'm just psyched to take out my new (to me) driftboat.
I envision a nice stack of steelhead fillets in my freezer this spring.
Ruth - 12 yrs, some stray! SOunds like a committed relationship, to me.
Sarah Deere
Yes, she seems to have decided to keep Ruth on permanently
Cooper's hawks come to my yard, sit on my fence - and I'm practically inner city. They know I have bird feeders, the clever devils. They really are so handsome.
Yes, she seems to have decided to keep Ruth on permanently
Permanent food duty that is.
Morning, rational people.
Keep your distance: I have what is no doubt a fell communicable disease. Or maybe a cold.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
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I think that is one virus that can't be spread through the computer. But thanks for the warning anyway. Stay inside and have a hot toddy and some chicken soup. I hope you get to feeling better.
Barn dog, my husband loves driftboats. He spent many yrs fishing the Clackamas.
There's a sci-fi series of novels by C.J. Cherryh about a planet on which humans are stranded with another similar, yet very different sentient species, the atevi . The atevi have a strict aesthetic code based on odd numbers and harmonious groupings of things that humans are nearly insensate to. Drives the atevi wild, it does.
Yes, she seems to have decided to keep Ruth on permanently
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I always thought cats just decide who they can barely tolerate being in their space.
The suguaro forest!
I can't wait to get on the rivers. I haven't felt like this during spring steelhead season in 20 years.
Now, if the run holds as predicted...
Diane - hope your dis-ease is short-lived! Sunday is a good day for toddies and chicken soup. Tuck up, and tuck in.
And here's wishing all you lovelies a fine Sunday. I just realized we're losing an hour (lord, I wish they'd just leave time alone, pick one and stick with it), and I need to at least close my eyes for a while so I can function (minimally) during the daylight.
There's a sci-fi series of novels by C.J. Cherryh about a planet on which humans are stranded with another similar, yet very different sentient species, the atevi . The atevi have a strict aesthetic code based on odd numbers and harmonious groupings of things that humans are nearly insensate to. Drives the atevi wild, it does.
plantsman,
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Odd numbers are more pleasing to the eye. Damn, I must be an Atevi. I will have to read those books.
Drives the atevi wild, it does.
Feng shui reality shows meet sci fi channel.
We already lost it -- thank god the Mac handles it seemlessly.
Barn dog - here's to good fishing for you.
See you all later.
Hi, Diane, isn't that lovely, seems our S.Am'n neighbors can see wars don't always get what you want! at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
Sleep well, Sarah!
It's called The Foreigner series. Cherryh's gift for characterizing and animating other worlds is unsurpassed!
Sweet dreams, Sarah.
So good to have you here, Sarah.
Sarah, just told Jocabel you like her looks. she purrs at you sleep well, wake weller.
yeh, she puts up with me and likes the foodstuffs.
Who knew the ancient Hohokam Indians were star-trek fans? This petroglyph looks as if their shaman is about to slay the energy beast.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/BJ9MK3kK.jpg
I have kites. that make wonderful haunting cries - and shadows that panic the songbirds.
Well, I do believe I'll go back to bed for a while and see if that helps.
Later, bats!
Hohokam was the first elementary school I attended in Scottsdale, AZ. It literally doubled in size from the first year it existed to the second.
Morning, kids.
Met a really interesting person last night--a gay evangelical Christian. Went through the whole shebang of cures, including electroshock therapy and Exodus, but now does outreach to gay teens.
His dad is a pastor in Houston, and he's tied into the whole Texas evangelical thing including, yes, having dinner with the Bushes and the Haggards.
good luck Diane. I hope it helps. I got up at 4:30 with a killer headache. Now that it is gone, I may take a nap as well.
...naps sound like agood way to round a buzz out.
(prays to thank Dawg for notches he does not have in "gay" belt. )
Molly-Are you moving forward with the local political scene?
What surprised me, p-man, was how matter-of-fact he was about it, as in "well of course we tried this and this and this, but it didn't change anything."
Before I go, another episode of supporting the troops, republican style.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...taminated_water
His dad is a pastor in Houston, and he's tied into the whole Texas evangelical thing including, yes, having dinner with the Bushes and the Haggards.
Molly Ivors
Kinky Friedman really is kinky?
His dad is a pastor in Houston, and he's tied into the whole Texas evangelical thing including, yes, having dinner with the Bushes and the Haggards.
Molly Ivors
Does he have an upclose and personal opinion of any of the Bushes?
It would be hell to have to go thru all that to arrive at that place, in my mind.
ql,
I haven't had time to do much, but I'm on all their email lists now.
A view across the NW Tucson Basin.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/kJRK1Hpy.jpg
According to some geologists, this basin was caused by an ancient caldera around 70 million years ago.
Molly, being in Houston is punishment enuff without electrodes.
My gosh, Doug, you're prolific!
Shock therapy? Did he get to wear the Abu Gharib hood?
And you may complete your abject humiliation of me anytime, ql.
Two seven letter words in a game. Feh.
According to some geologists, this basin was caused by an ancient caldera around 70 million years ago.
(Let's nobody tell Mike Huckabee.)
Molly, being in Houston is punishment enuff without electrodes.
Well, he's here now. Syracuse, actually.
Doug, caldera like the one in NM we went thru in Sept, eerie feeling.
Moon was slow to get her Scrabulous groove, but as I feared, she's catching on.
According to some geologists, this basin was caused by an ancient caldera around 70 million years ago.
Apocolypto!
Doug, have you gone to Meteor Crater yet?
Before I go, another episode of supporting the troops, republican style.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ 20080...taminated_water
This fits a theory that they don't want the troops returning home. It increases unemployment, costs $$ for VA care, etc. That they would actively kill our troops is a little extreme, but then they have always been creative in a Hitler kind of way. Iraq macht frei and all that.
David Greenberg on Cspan saying those parties are clubs, not democratic. We have to follow rules to belong. I dunno, that sounds really warped.
I hope that caldera was not only 6,000 years old. It would still be active and likely to blow up again.
There's not much evidence of the caldera being at all active any more. I think what ever was the hotspot that powered it has moved elsewhere or has subsided.
I'd hate to be a fundie, to have to ignore so much evidence that says their beliefs are fraudulent.
btw, WaPo got advance copies of Feith''s book, and guess what, the cretin in chief was poorly led by everyone else. but wasn't the war criminal at the top
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...ml?
hpid=topnews
He's not very eloquent, no wonder he teaches journalism.
Willy Geist pooh-poohed the water-and-sand release into The Grand Canyon as many city dwellers might, as though The Natural World has nothing at all to do with them being here. Mystifies me.
According to some geologists, this basin was caused by an ancient caldera around 70 million years ago.
(Let's nobody tell Mike Huckabee.)
Good geology has always been more intellectually satisfying that some biblical shit.
I've been to Meteor crater. When I went there I was moving across the country, was worried about money and didn't feel like paying the stiff entry fee. So, I found a road without a chain across it that lead to the north-western top edge of it and got a look anyway.
The wind is really whipping up here this morning. It's c-c-c-cold.
leibniz, evidently a Bush Prescott ancestor had a grand scheme of eliminating a large number of the populace to purify the society for thems at the top. Haven't followed up on a mentiion of it I heard, something about some millions being expendable. no surprise there.
The wind is really whipping up here this morning. It's c-c-c-cold.
Molly Ivors
I thought our fence was going to blow down yesterday. One local airport clocked gusts to 48.
I first noticed the Milky Way in Kirkland Junction, AZ many years ago. Made me really envy the way the ancients saw the night sky.
PS: screen door on the west side of the house blew off.
btw, WaPo got advance copies of Feith''s book, and guess what, the cretin in chief was poorly led by everyone else. but wasn't the war criminal at the top
Hitler blamed his third reich's collapse on being poorly supported. He and his staff had done nothing wrong.
The former Y gymnasium had the roof blown off recently.
Blew off? Do you have those what I always thought were called "Jealousy Windows?"
Molly & V4VA, humph, out here we get pieces of W.TX blowing in sometimes.
but wasn't the war criminal at the top
But he's the Decider! He said so!
Ruth there are some frightening books about the turn of the century eugenics movement in the US and England. Elimination of 'undesirables' was part of what they believed. A surprising number of still prominent US families and research institutions were part of this movement.
Molly-
Window here hitting 45 mph gusts. And with two rainstorms the last 10 days or so, some trees are going to lose their roots and topple over.
PS: screen door on the west side of the house blew off.
It's a twister, Auntie Em! A twister!
"Jealousy Windows?"
plantsman,
We have a few, and as we replace windows we're replacing with those.
They don't work well for a house that needs to be sealed up tight, but are perfect for when you depend on fresh air; you can leave them open when it rains.
I guess they're really Jalosie Windows segmented, overlapped panes about three or 4" wide that all crank open independently, but allow no broad expanse of glass.
leibniz, evidently a Bush Prescott ancestor had a grand scheme of eliminating a large number of the populace to purify the society for thems at the top.
I am sure that Jonah saw that as liberal fascism.
He and his staff had done nothing wrong.
leibniz♘☮
and don't forget, the people of Germany were unworthy of him - reminds me of the occupied WH that only lets in the chosen few.
And... it's HICA!
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I had the same problem with the phrase "bat out of hell". I could only envision baseball bats flying out of an inferno.
Wow. My sister in FL just told me that her school district had to lay off all the hourly employees. She's a para and figures the paras are next. She said they're also gonna stop having subs and start combining classes when a teacher is absent. All so the property owners can save $240/year in taxes. FL is really fucked up.
But he's the Decider! He said so!
Molly Ivors
can't wait to see who he blames that blooper on.
doug, not surprising at all. just scary that we're only catching on now.
Re: Feith link
Ludicrous for Feith to complain about lack of support for his insane ideas.
Wasn't Feith the one who set up the "mock Iraq" government near Detroit?
Rounded up expats and played government games, setting up desks with signs for various branches of government. The idea was to teach these expats via the kind of play kindergartners engage in.
What an ass. He can rot in hell with Cheney.
Wow. My sister in FL just told me that her school district had to lay off all the hourly employees. She's a para and figures the paras are next. She said they're also gonna stop having subs and start combining classes when a teacher is absent. All so the property owners can save $240/year in taxes. FL is really fucked up.
What does it cost to flat an aircraft carrier, or pay a pentagon general? Id Donald Rumsfeld still on the dole? And have any presidential candidates discussed this?
ql, laying off subs is nothing compared to Salem, MA, our town next door. A town official made poor investments and they laid off 70 teachers.
flat=float. Fucking DST!!!!!!!
el; Ludicrous for Feith to complain about lack of support for his insane ideas.
Wasn't Feith the one who set up the "mock Iraq" government near Detroit?
where they read goat books to them.
Surely you jest, leibniz; fucking-up education is the purview of the States!
GOAT BOOKS! HAW!
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All so the property owners can save $240/year in taxes. FL is really fucked up.
qlª
Ya THINK?
We're closing four schools at the end of this year.
Still got that snow, JP?
ql -- where is your sister, again?
Morning, all.
Sis also said there is almost nothing in the news about it.
Hey, the Ceeb's got Paul Krugman on, for an hour!
V-Homestead
plantsman: Still got that snow, JP?
None on the roads, 'cept for the chunks that fall off the underside of cars. Very little on the ground, 'cept for the shady places.
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Here's one of the books about the USian eugenics movement that rightfully tars the rich and powerful as being borderline
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race
http://www.amazon.com/War-Agains...s/dp/
1568582587
Hint: they don't know much about 'breeding'.
Or, why are many of the AKC breeds so messed up, when they didn't use to be such? Black Labrador dogs are one excellent example. That used to be an almost flawless breed, and now? If you have a pedigree Labrador, you'll almost always have the tragedy of a dog with painfully week hips.
Frank Rich is off, Kristof is kind of good, couldn't bring myself to read MoDo.
JP, our 6+ inches was gone by noon the next day - except in patches.
What does it cost to flat an aircraft carrier, or pay a pentagon general?
We'll never find out why the thugs are eager to spend taxpayer dollars for wars, homeland security with all its accessories (cameras all over cities) rather than public welfare (including education).
Easy to say we're lining the pockets of their pals, Boeing, Haliburton and others. But it's never laid out clearly by the press or dems clearly enough to "get it".
How the leadership of a whole party wants to keep throwing money down that hole.
Good morning, all.
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Ruth: JP, our 6+ inches was gone by noon the next day - except in patches.
Shrinkage.
Gonna be up into the 50s, today. Big Red Ugly is callin' me, already.
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Great Danes have suffered severely truncated life-spans thanks to the AKC. Fucking "aesthetic" Standards!
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Avedon owls!
one of the shock prototypes was the 1975 NYC "fiscal crisis" where the banks essentially took over the city and destroy social services and infrastructure investment.
Mr. Hastert won by around 20 points in 2006, but, to him, that had to feel like losing, since Illinois draws its districts to favor House incumbents. The 2004 House results were ominous enough -- Henry Hyde only winning by 11, Phil Crane losing outright to Melissa Bean -- so I bet Mr. Hastert looked at the 2006 results and thought he'd lose in 2008, and now we have evidence he might have been right about that.
(Sorry if someone else made this point already; I haven't perused the 600-plus comments.)
Couldn't even find a mention of it on CNN's main screen this am -- if Pelosi's seat had been overturned following all kinds of scandals, especially if she'd been Speaker for s dozen years, do you think the press would be basically ignoring it? Hell no.
This is a very big deal indeed. With all kinds of lessons on both sides to learn.
One of them being that good candidates and good people can be one and the same.
My 97-year old grandmother cast her 2nd Democratic vote ever for Foster (her first was for Hillary in the primary -- or as she put it "for that woman." Granny's never recovered from not being allowed to compete at polo in her 20s, and her father convincing her to give up the medical scholarship to Northwestern because she'd be taking a living from some man who'd have to support a family. Too bad my grandfather turned out to be a drunk and granny had to support everyone without being a doctor.). She's known the Obelweis (sp?) family forever and told me that that guy's an idiot, and always has been, since he was a little boy and she certainly wasn't going to vote for him. So that's the gossip from Leland Illinois.
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