I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Gravatar Mets!


GravatarIce Ice tea!


GravatarNow if the Phillies lose, the Mets will be tied with them...


Gravatartastee freeze!


GravatarBurma!


GravatarNaptime!


Gravataroh my - Iran's parliament has approved a nonbinding resolution to label the CIA and the US army as "terrorist organisations".

The move is seen as a diplomatic tit-for-tat after the US senate also voted in favour of a motion urging the state department to designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a "terrorist organisation."

The signing of the resolution by 215 politicians at an open session of the Iranian parliament was broadcast live on television on Saturday.

The statement said: "The aggressor US army and the Central Intelligence Agency are terrorists and also nurture terror."


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/ ...E0C656B97CC.htm


GravatarTime for another blogger ethics panel http://susiebright.blogs.com/sus...upon-a- tim.html (NSFW?)


GravatarMets are kinda collapsing, no?


GravatarA salt lick is a salt deposit that animals regularly lick. In an ecosystem, salt/mineral licks sometimes occur naturally, providing the sodium, calcium, iron, phosphorus and zinc required in the springtime for bone, muscle and other growth in deer and other wildlife. Harsh weather exposes salty mineral deposits that draw animals from miles away for a taste of needed nutrients.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_lick


Gravatar[to repeat]

Topps said it was recalling 21.7 million pounds of ground beef products distributed to retail grocery stores and food service institutions throughout the United States, up from the 332,000 pounds it recalled on Tuesday
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Well, fuck me. I always wondered why I had an inexplicable compulsion to chug A-1 Steak Sauce when I was chewing that goddamn bubble gum.


GravatarThere's lots of shit over Pax, bitches, including a podcast on Myanmar. No penguins were involved.


GravatarIran's parliament has approved a nonbinding resolution to label the CIA and the US army as "terrorist organisations".
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that is so awesome! I'd like to sign it too. Although it's treason to say betrayus to the army.


GravatarI could hardly get to anyone from my strikers’ contacts; I expect their phones are busy with incoming and outcoming calls… Then I finally managed to get to a Socialist activist who was at the factory… He confirmed the news… It’s a victory… the strikers accepted the settlement in a mass meeting, and left the factory around 5am…

Mabrouk for the Mahalla workers… Mabrouk for the brave men, women and children who solidly stood defiant in the face of govt pressures for a week… Thanks to all the activists and labor unionists around the world who sent in messages of support…

This is just the beginning ya shabab… I’m sure Mahalla has become a source of inspiration to all the textile workers, if not the entire Egyptian working class…


http://arabist.net/arabawy/2007/...tory-confirmed/


GravatarPeople use salt licks to attract or maintain wildlife, whether it be for viewing, photography or hunting purposes. Many companies now produce salt that includes all the trace minerals and is fairly inexpensive. It comes in either bagged or block form.


Gravatar
Burma!


What a horribly repressive place. What the GOPers have in mind for us.


GravatarA fucklick is a fuckwit deposit that trolls regularly lick.


Gravatarpoop and biscuits
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GravatarIn Norse mythology, before the creation of the world, it was the divine cow Audhumla who, through her licking of the cosmic salt ice, gave form to Buri, ancestor of the gods and grandfather of Odin. On the first day as Audhumla licked, Buri's hair appeared from the ice, on the second day his head and on the third his body


Gravatarchicago dyke: JP- i thought that after a certian point, haloscan comments went away. it could've changed and i missed it, but the gannon revelations were quite some time ago, so i'd expect the comments to be gone by now.

I think they stick around for a couple of years, or more, now.
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GravatarIt is not terrorism when you level a city with bombs purchased from the Carlyle Group. It is collateral damage.


GravatarDang. Just... dang.
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GravatarWorkers at Egypt's largest textile factory have ended a week-long strike after the government agreed to their demands, the strike committee said in a statement.

Workers at the Misr Spinning and Weaving Company in Mahalla el-Kubra, north of Cairo, said the government had agreed to grant them additional bonuses, and negotiate over further rises.

"After the rise in Arab, local and international solidarity with the workers of Ghazl el-Mahalla, the workers were victorious in negotiations," said the statement on Saturday.

The strike began after workers were paid 20 days in bonuses instead of the 150 they said they were entitled to.

Thousands of workers staged a six-day sit in at the factory, which employs 27,000 people and exports textiles all over the world.

Factory managers said the strike cost them millions of dollars a day.

The strikers had demanded better working conditions, increased benefits and higher wages, with some receiving as little as $44 a month.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/ ...C11C84AB9DB.htm


GravatarMoonbotica,

This is an all-american chat room.


GravatarThere's a program about JRR Tolkien on Ovation now, if anyone is interested.
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GravatarMikheil Saakashvili, Georgia's president, has defended the arrest of a former minister who had accused him of plotting murder, as opponents vowed to continue protests that have drawn thousands to the streets.

"Okruashvili's allegations are false and he knows it very well," Saakashvili said in televised remarks after interrupting a foreign trip to return to the capital Tbilisi.

He said: "Georgia, unlike many other places, enjoys freedom of the press. Everyone can say whatever they want and as much as they want. But you cannot blackmail people who have a clear conscience."

Okruashvili's supporters accuse the president of trying to silence a potential rival and said the arrest undermined Saakashvili's credentials as a democratic reformer.

In a clear reference to tensions with Moscow, Saakashvili also said that "ill-wishers" were seeking to sow chaos in Georgia.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/ ...D6AE8AA3B46.htm


GravatarI don't really know, but it seems to me that the Burmese junta would be a lot richer junta, as juntas go, if they'd just buy into that whole Asian economic miracles shit, through open their borders for multi-nationals looking for cheap labour, continue to oppress the people as they have been, and spew out a bunch of nonsense about "globalization" and "free trade" and such. Then Bushie and company would be cheering them on, and concerened white people would be talking about microloans and nongovernment orgs, instead ragging on the. I mean, seems to me.


Gravatar There's lots of shit over Pax, bitches, including a podcast on Myanmar. No penguins were involved.

Your link sucks, and there should be a warning on podcasts if they involve Frankie Goes to Hollywood.


GravatarYour link sucks, and there should be a warning on podcasts if they involve Frankie Goes to Hollywood.
The Kenosha Kid


Oh, relax....


Gravatara killfile is a location where the inane are sequestered so their posts don't annoy people.


GravatarCook! Cook! Where is my pfefferneuse?!


GravatarThe French government and France's largest company, Total, were struggling yesterday to contain growing criticism of the oil company's record in Burma.

Total and the French government have rejected pleas from Burmese opposition and French trades unions and human rights group for the oil giant to suspend its activities in the Yadana gas field in southern Burma.

Critics point out Total is the largest economic operator in Burma and a significant conduit of cash to the military regime. Several human rights groups have accused Total of making use of forced or child labour – something the oil company angrily rejects.

Paris, and the company, argue that Total's presence is, on the whole, a force for good. Withdrawal would allow carte blanche for Chinese or other companies which would be "less respectful of ethical issues".

"Our departure would threaten a worsening of the situation for the (Burmese) population," Total said ina communiqué.


http://news.independent.co.uk/ wo...icle3010197.ece


GravatarOh shit, I've got linkies!


Gravatarsteak, you'll find that killfile is all asshole. Enjoy.


GravatarMets win!


GravatarPodcasts of Frankie Goes To Hollywood?

Jeez, the Young Republicans must be having some toe-tappin' fun!!


GravatarMeanwhile next door to Burma - Government efforts to resolve the ongoing violence in Thailand's four southern provinces of Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat and Songkhla - which has claimed the lives of 2,400 people since January 2004 - continue to emphasize a three-pronged strategy of reconciliation, improving socioeconomic conditions, and counterinsurgency operations.

Over the past three months, the counterinsurgency element has been the most pronounced, resulting in the detention of nearly 2,000 suspected separatists. At the same time, Malay Muslim militants continue to achieve success in their campaign to polarize society and destroy the governmental and economic system of the deep south.


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Sou...a/ II26Ae01.html


GravatarAnd no Frankie this time. Maybe.


GravatarCoopting the Myanmar revolt


Gravatarhttp://therealrudy.org/blog/ 1420..._source=rgemail


GravatarMoe: you raise an interesting question. It's not infrequent that people, corporations, even nations act against their own economic interests. Take, as another example, the failure of American business to furiously militate in favor of national health insurance, or consider the vast amount of money that could be at play in research, infrastructure and so on in pursuit of environmental remediation and effective response to global warming.

Seems to me that power, as much as economic benefit, is often at play, can be a separate consideration, and often trumps even the profit motive. And fear of change, which might lead to shifts in power, is also in play to an extent that can't be accounted for solely by economic considerations.


GravatarIf they're Malays, why don't the Thais just send them back to Malaysia?

Maybe the Thai businesses like the cheap Malay labor.


GravatarI guess I have to go drinking, so this was a drive-by. Later.


GravatarTrying to work and keep up here is hopeless.


GravatarWombat, big corps and the Repukes act against their own - and the world's - best interests because they are FUCKING INSANE!!


GravatarSeems to me that power, as much as economic benefit, is often at play, can be a separate consideration, and often trumps even the profit motive. And fear of change, which might lead to shifts in power, is also in play to an extent that can't be accounted for solely by economic considerations.

Yup. Different people are motivated by different things at different times. I never understood the winger belief that profit motive was the purest thing in the universe, nor do I understand liberals complaining that many GOP supporters vote against their own economic interests. There's way more to life and humanity.

I have to convince myself of that sometimes, given my own recent choices of late...


GravatarTrying to drink and keep up here is hopeless.


GravatarMoe Szyslak: I guess I have to go drinking, so this was a drive-by. Later.

Ooh, capital idea! I'll put that off until after I have found 3x new jeans, and some other goodies from the Target, though.
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GravatarWhat an unfortunate acronyn...

International Conference on
Engineering Professional Ethics & Education 2008
(ICEPEE’0
http://www.iiu.edu.my/icepee/


GravatarTaking a break from home improvement projects.

We've got too many box elder bugs, dammit.

And bees. Went to install a new outdoor light and found a nice nest inside the the mounting.


GravatarGordon Brown's council of war to consider a snap autumn election was given an extra twist yesterday as it emerged that consumer confidence had been badly dented by the run on the Northern Rock bank.

Despite Labour's recent strong showing in the polls, the extent of the prime minister's gamble in calling a late October or early November poll was underlined by the news that the financial turmoil of the past two months - culminating in the Bank of England lifeline to Northern Rock - has left the public markedly more concerned about the health of the economy.


http://business.guardian.co.uk/ e...2179805,00.html


GravatarThe only thing the Repukes are motivated is brute force, since they use it everyone else.

I find that shouting at them at the top of your lungs usually gets their attention.

Reasoning doesn't work with Repukes, as they are barely sentient lower life forms.


Gravatardamnit

Good podcast NTodd. You're really coming along and finding your voice.

(I don't like the music selections, but that's just me and don't pay it any mind as I'm an old fart. Now get offa my lawn)
ql-was in NY | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:16 pm | #

The night that Incog's cat was sexed....
GWPDA

That gets my vote. I was home and had a couple glasses of wine most of which wound up on the monitor.

For the Jimmy/Jeff I was attached to the borg and could only dip in every now and again.
ql-was in NY | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:22 pm | #


GravatarIf they're Malays, why don't the Thais just send them back to Malaysia?

I think they are ethnic Malays who are Thai citizens. Part of Thailand extends down onto the Malay Penninsula.


GravatarThe new ballpark in Philly looks nice...


GravatarBizz kits in de o ven.
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GravatarPreznit giv me turkee was the funniest thang, EVAR.
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GravatarWell don't tell Lou Dobbs, or he will be ranting about those Malays sneaking into Thailand.


GravatarTom3: it's not just insanity. That's too easy. But it's well to keep in mind the limitations of economic reasoning arising from mankind's persistent failure to behave rationally...


GravatarThousands of demonstrators planning to march on Parliament to call for the withdrawal of troops from Afrghanistan and Iraq have been told that their protest has been banned.

The Metropolitan Police told organisers of the Stop the War Coalition that no march would now be allowed “within one mile of Parliament” while MPs were in session.

The organisers, who are expecting thousands of people to turn up for the protest march from Trafalgar Square to Parliament Square, said that this was a “totally different” interpretation of the regulations, and accused Gordon Brown of reneging on a pledge to liberalise the laws on demonstrations.

“One moment the Prime Minister is supporting the right of Burmese monks to demonstrate in Rangoon, and yet here in London we’re being stopped from marching on Parliament. It’s hypocrisy,” Lindsey German, convener of the Stop the War Coalition, said.


http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/ new...icle2554379.ece


Gravatar I think they are ethnic Malays who are Thai citizens. Part of Thailand extends down onto the Malay Penninsula.

NOKD.


GravatarI don't like the music selections

You want more ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood?


GravatarMaybe the Thai businesses like the cheap Malay labor.

One international figure could speak credibly to Malays: Jimmy Carter.


GravatarThe new ballpark in Philly looks nice...

*sigh*

I've got to wait a few years until this guy opens up.


GravatarThat band should be called Frankie Goes To San Francisco


GravatarWell, I have to confess being pretty irritated with NPR this afternoon. They're having some kind of Oxford-style debate on the question "Is spreading democracy in the Middle East a good idea?". And now I'm getting to hear Dick Cheney's daughter, of all people, flogging it. Of all the tendentious ways to frame the issue, this would have to be the most scurrilous.


GravatarGee, your condo smells terrific!
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GravatarThe funniest day at Eschaton is like best song ever. The selection is finite but by no means conclusive.

I can haz lektchur gig?


GravatarYou want more ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood? - NTodd

Lawrence Welk soothes the elderly.
[Runs]


GravatarNOKD.

I have no idea what this means.


Gravatar You want more ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood?



GravatarI love ABBA


GravatarJeez, England is starting to sound like V for Vengeance.

Who gave the no demonstrations order?
Party Leader Creedy?


GravatarToonscribe: I have no idea what this means.

New Orleans Kolice Department.
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GravatarReconstruction work will begin next month on a revered shrine in the Iraqi city of Samarra blown up in the current conflict, UN cultural body Unesco says.

The al-Askari shrine, one of Iraq's most sacred Shia sites, was partly destroyed in two attacks over two years by suspected Sunni militants.

Thousands have died in sectarian violence triggered by the first attack.

The rebuilding work will be carried out by a Turkish company, and is being funded mostly by the EU and Unesco.

Officials said the work would begin after the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which ends in the middle of October.

The project is expected to cost $16m (£7.9m), of which $8m will come from the EU, $5m from Unesco and $3m from the Iraqi government.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/ 7020221.stm


GravatarUgh. Abba sounds like nails on a chalkboard.


GravatarNOKD Not Our Kind Dear


GravatarYou want more ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood?

How 'bout some Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass Band?

You know you want to...


GravatarSimian Mobile Disco


GravatarCook! Cook! Where is my pfefferneuse?!
Rmj

I just launched them. Ready soon.


GravatarHow 'bout some Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass Band?

You know you want to...
Zap Rowsdower


The whole reason I miss albums.


GravatarBut for youtube I would conquer the world...

or at least clean my kitchen


GravatarSimian Mobile Disco

- what I have been listening to lately


GravatarMadonna's Evita. I'd vote her into the HOF for that performance alone.


GravatarCook! Cook! Where is my pfefferneuse?!
Rmj

I just launched them. Ready soon.
JR, kerosene and a match


Black pepper? Curious. Always use white in mine.


GravatarThe whole reason I miss albums.

Yeah...I've got all of his stuff on vinyl. Probably paid a quarter each for them at Savers.

"Whipped Cream & Other Delights" is a work of art, album cover-wise.


GravatarYou know you want to...
Zap Rowsdower


No, this is waht they want

Safe. You can trust me.


GravatarI love ABBA -Moonbootica

Does your mother know?


GravatarTake, as another example, the failure of American business to furiously militate in favor of national health insurance, or consider the vast amount of money that could be at play in research, infrastructure and so on in pursuit of environmental remediation and effective response to global warming.


Doc, the above is perplexing until you consider that American business, since the adevent of stock options for the top management of these same American businesses.

Businesses are run to curry favor with Wall Street so that the stocks are recommended by WS and the price goes up, enriching the execs.


GravatarYou want more ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood?
NTodd


Good lord, what part of old fart don't you understand. Dylan, Joplin, even Credance Clearwater. Ask Simels.


GravatarThe whole reason I miss albums.

My parents don't play them anymore, so they've bequeathed their entire vinyl collection to me. Sadly, I do not have a working turntable at this time. I'm just itching to spin Bellafonte at Carnegie Hall.


GravatarYoutube has that "what people are watching now" thing on it's homepage, judging from which that britneyfan thing is their most-watched video

me, I'm on an Emmylou Harris binge. I think she's in love with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...related& search=


GravatarBlack pepper? Curious. Always use white in mine.
Rmj


Sharper.


Gravatarme, I'm on an Emmylou Harris binge. I think she's in love with me.

Lucinda Williams for me. That voice is pure sex.


GravatarHerb Alpert: Zorba The Greek.



Gravatarif you click on the link to Simian Mobile Disco's website, they have a You Tube vid of a performance from Philly


GravatarLucinda Williams for me. That voice is pure sex.
geor3ge


Heh. My brother told his wife that if Lucinda or Emmylou calls, he's outta there.


Gravatarme, I'm on an Emmylou Harris binge.
If you don't love Emmylou, the terraists have already won!


GravatarMadonna's Evita. I'd vote her into the HOF for that performance alone.
catalexis


Not if you saw Patty LaPone on Broadway. And as pretty as Bandaras is to look at, he has nothing on Mandy Patankin, who can you know, sing.


GravatarMy parents don't play them anymore, so they've bequeathed their entire vinyl collection to me. Sadly, I do not have a working turntable at this time. I'm just itching to spin Bellafonte at Carnegie Hall.
geor3ge


It wasn't Herb's music I was missing.

me, I'm on an Emmylou Harris binge. I think she's in love with me.

Lucinda Williams for me. That voice is pure sex.
geor3ge


I remain faithful to Judy Collins. First loves are the ones you never get over.


Gravatarelmo is the tired nanny's best friend.

and JP- you're right, the comments are still there. except i can't remember which thread it was. the date john at americablog outed gannon was 2/14/05, so it's got to be one or another of those threads that day or close to it.


GravatarPatinkin is entertaining, but I love Forbidden Broadway's sendup of his rather over-the-top stylings. "Somewhat Overindulgent" to the tune of "Over the Rainbow".


GravatarMadonna's Evita. I'd vote her into the HOF for that performance alone.
catalexis

Not if you saw Patty LaPone on Broadway.


After Madonna's movie version came out, that year's Tony awards opened with Miss LuPone coming out and singing the everlovin' crap out of Don't Cry For Me Argentina. By about ten seconds in, any sane person was saying Madonna Who?

Her way of saying, Take that! you presumptuous whippersnapper!


GravatarI remain faithful to Judy Collins. First loves are the ones you never get over.
Rmj, Ecce Homo


Oh, Judy is a force of nature.

And I figured it wasn't Herb's music, but I had to get that out there.


GravatarGood lord, what part of old fart don't you understand. Dylan, Joplin, even Credance Clearwater. Ask Simels.

Jeebus, I play fricking CSN&Y and stuff, too!


GravatarGood lord, what part of old fart don't you understand. Dylan, Joplin, even Credance Clearwater. Ask Simels.

Jeebus, I play fricking CSN&Y and stuff, too!
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn


Just washed a load of dishes to The Beatles at the Beeb.


GravatarMAndy Patinkin was great in Princess Bride. But then everybody was great in it


Gravatarmy current playlist

The KLF - What Time Is Love? (12" version)
Salt-N-Pepa ft. En Vogue - Watta Man
Salt-N-Pepa - Shoop
Echo and the Bunymen - The Cutter
The Blind Boys of Alabama - Way Down In The Hole
MC5 - Kick Out The Jams
Armand Van Helden - I Want Your Soul
The Klaxons - Gravity's Rainbow (Van She Mix)
Simian Mobile Disco - Hot Dog
Axwell ft. Charles Salter - I Found You
Echno and the Bunnymen -The Killing Moon
Cansei de Ser Sexy - Lets Make Love and Listen Death From Above
The Velvet Underground - Venus in Furs


GravatarDishes, yes dishes. I can do a few of those before getting to work on that grant proposal....


GravatarJust washed a load of dishes to The Beatles at the Beeb.
Gummo


You want old school? I just brought a load of Paul Hillier and Theatre of Voices to keep me company at the office.


GravatarThis just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.


GravatarYou old people today, I tell ya. Back in my day, old people were cool and liked all kinds of music...


GravatarVery likely true. But the chances of my ever getting to see anything on Broadway are exceedingly slim. I love live theater, but one's audience is much much smaller.


GravatarThis just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
JeffCO | 09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #


I'll second that


GravatarMAndy Patinkin was great in Princess Bride. But then everybody was great in it
Tom3


I miss Andre the Giant.


GravatarI just brought a load of Paul Hillier and Theatre of Voices to keep me company at the office.
geor3ge | 09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #

They did a recording of John Cage's Litany for the Whale...did you ever hear that one?


GravatarEchno and the Bunnymen -The Killing Moon

Top 20 on Zap's all-time list.


GravatarI miss Andre the Giant.
geor3ge | 09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #

No steroids in that man...


GravatarThey did a recording of John Cage's Litany for the Whale...did you ever hear that one?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin


I haven't.

Heh, I once performed 4'33' as an "encore".


Gravatarand the rest

Girls Aloud - Sexy! No No
Supergrass - Alright
Eve - Tambourine
Scissor Sisters - Kiss You Off
Pet Shop Boys - Its A Sin
Kasier Chiefs - The Angry Mob
Blondie - Call Me
The Hives - Hate To Say I Told You So


Gravatargeor3ge | 09.29.07 - 4:47 pm | #

Brittney Spears should cover 4'33. It would be her best song ever.


GravatarThis just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
JeffCO


Oh, there's one or two collections around here of recent vintage -- Amy Winehouse, Outkast, lots & lots of White Stripes, Gorillaz.

But you never get over your first loves....


GravatarThis just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.

/sips coffee, reads again, does spit take


GravatarI miss Andre the Giant.

How can you miss him? His grave is the size of the Great Wall...


GravatarMoonie, you have wonderfully eclectic tastes.


GravatarI miss Andre the Giant...

Greatest Drunk On Earth:

http:// www.moderndrunkardmagazin...ndre_giant.html


GravatarI like when they're turned that great 90s song "You're Unbelievable" into the Betty Cricker commercial - "You're Crumbelievable"


GravatarThe openers for the New Pornographers show earlier this week: The Awkward Stage and Lavender Diamond. Fun both.


GravatarI hearby concede I don't know a tenth of what y'all do about music. I'll just go sit down over there.


Gravatarhttp://rawstory.com//news/2007/ K...eilly_0928.html

"I think he's on the verge of having a breakdown," says Kitman. "I think he needs psychiatric help."

"Having a conversation with O'Reilly is like trying to take a drink of water from an open fire hydrant." --Marvin Kitman, September 25, 2007


GravatarThis just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
JeffCO


For some reason no one clicks my links.....

pfefferneusse cooling, chicken korma in the fridge to be de-greased.


GravatarGood lord, what part of old fart don't you understand. Dylan, Joplin, even Credance Clearwater. Ask Simels.

Jeebus, I play fricking CSN&Y and stuff, too!
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn

Just washed a load of dishes to The Beatles at the Beeb.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:44 pm | #


i was just listening to pink.


GravatarBrittney Spears should cover 4'33. It would be her best song ever.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin


Frank Zappa recorded it on an out-of-print Cage tribute.

There's actually a published score. One page. Three movements, all "Tacet". And the retail price? $4.33, of course.


GravatarSo Newt couldn't give up the loot, eh?

And, yes, there was a little matter of his marital misbehavior.


GravatarThis just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.

NTodd's Pa got into groups like REM when I was in school. Now he really likes Shakira, for reasons obscure to me (heh). And I got him into Gnarls Barkley and Disturbed...


GravatarBut you never get over your first loves....

I finally had to accept I was not going to have Nancy Wilson's baby.


Gravatargeor3ge | 09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #

Zappa used to stop playing at times during his early concerts until everything got really uncomfortable...

Then he would grab the mike and say "it brings out the hostilities in you, doesn't it?"...


Gravatarthe killing moon still makes me cry when i hear it.

about music and being an old fart- i've got all this stuff i used to absolutely lurv, rock and metal and whatnot, and i never listen to it anymore. my opinion about jazz and classical music has also evolved over the years. i don't think i'll ever give up electronica/ambient, not as long as i can dance, but i totally understand why someone could feel that "today's music" doesn't speak to them. most of the mainstream "rock" and "hip hop" stuff i hear that's new right now sux, imho.

ntodd, you're in big trouble. nephew is refusing to wear pants, and i know who to blame for that.


GravatarTrying to work and keep up here is hopeless.
mer | 09.29.07 - 4:23 pm | #


everybody's waiting for the weekend ...


GravatarJR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #

Try this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...h? v=5cEcGJY_iiA


Gravatari was just listening to pink.
dirk gently, sociopathetic


She's great, makes smart AND catchy dance-pop, which is pretty rare these days.

Or is that just another old fart remark?


Gravatar7000 calories of booze a day? That's all?


GravatarLoofah Felafel!!


Gravatar"Having a conversation with O'Reilly is like trying to take a drink of water from an open fire hydrant." --Marvin Kitman, September 25, 2007
Tom3 | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #

You mean toilet, Marvin.


GravatarI'm listening to Ira Glass.

He doesn't sing, but...


GravatarSo Newt couldn't give up the loot, eh?

And, yes, there was a little matter of his marital misbehavior.
pie | 09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #


remember what he said yesterday? "i'll run if my campaign manager can come up with $30M in the next 30 days."

i think he kept his word.


Gravatarntodd, you're in big trouble. nephew is refusing to wear pants, and i know who to blame for that.

Gotta start 'em young. FIGHT THE POWER, KIDDO!


Gravatarntodd, you're in big trouble. nephew is refusing to wear pants, and i know who to blame for that.

NTodd is reapidly approaching Clenis™ territory in the blame game.


GravatarShakira would be good even if she wasn't jaw-droppingly hot.

But it's nice to have both.


GravatarI'm listening to the Finnish Worms right now. here.


Gravatarmust clean house.....I'm gonna do it, though it hurts...i'm gone till after sundown.


GravatarI hearby concede I don't know a tenth of what y'all do about music. I'll just go sit down over there. catalexis

You don't need to know much about music to know what you like.


GravatarNTodd is reapidly approaching Clenis™ territory in the blame game.
pie


The next plateau is the simels level of regrets.


Gravatar most of the mainstream "rock" and "hip hop" stuff i hear that's new right now sux, imho.

that's always been the case.

all the "great old music" is just the stuff that was good enough to survive.

lots of great music is still being made, some of it even makes it into the mainstream.


Gravatarmost of the mainstream "rock" and "hip hop" stuff i hear that's new right now sux, imho.

Seems to be that 99% of everything is crap, in every era. Just takes some time for the real quality to stand out.

Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven weren't the only composers of the high Viennese period, but you don't hear much of their contemporaries anymore. (Johann Nepomuk Who?)


GravatarDear CNN,

Please stop shilling for the Clinton haters out there. Thanks in advance.

If her dad wants her picture down, take the fucking picture down.


GravatarThis just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
JeffCO | 09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #

I'll second that
Moonbootica, Job Hunting


This just in: great music was written in the 13th centuries that even crazed whippernsappers can learn to appreciate.

After they get the hell offa my lawn! Dagnabit!


GravatarI'm listening to Ira Glass.

He doesn't sing, but...


Neither does his cousin...


GravatarOkay, I am nourished!

Now... JEANS!
bbl
.


Gravatar"13th centuries?"

I am getting old.


Gravatarmy hairdresser asked me to put together a Data CD of any latest music I've downloaded or am into for him to upload to his Ipod which he plays in his salon

apparently he thinks I'm some sort of music nerd or something


GravatarChallengers has really grown on me (not that I didn't think it wouldn't).


GravatarThis just in: great music was written in the 13th centuries that even crazed whippernsappers can learn to appreciate.

Hence, the Paul Hillier on my player.


GravatarShakira would be good even if she wasn't jaw-droppingly hot.

She is indeed both.

Actually, NTodd's Pa and Wife started taking Spanish because of Shakira...


Gravatarmy hairdresser asked me to put together a Data CD of any latest music I've downloaded or am into for him to upload to his Ipod which he plays in his salon

I'm going to guess that Celtic Frost is *right* out.


GravatarNeither does his cousin...
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn


Phillip?


GravatarWatching Ken Burns's The War--just heard the statistic that only 139 cars were made in Detroit for the duration of the war, and about Ford's Willow Run plant turning out a B4 bomber every 63 minutes. Wow.

And I wondered what I've often wondered about this nation: Once a country outsources most of its manufacturing, how can it handle a major catastrophe? Supposedly no one will ever challenge our right to import whatever we want and need. But...what if that "right" is challenged?

Also, in the earlier part about the early war in the Pacific, the comments by soldiers about MacArthur were pretty stunning. Burns said that he was stunned by the comments of regular soldiers about MacArthur's poor strategy and tactics early on.

Guess he learned--or managed to outlive his mistakes...until the Truman dustup.


GravatarHeh, ran across this earlier: Top 10 songs to play loud after accidental exposure to Bill O'Reilly.


GravatarPlum posted this one a few days ago. I thought it was great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M...h?v=Ml8rrQ6- w58


GravatarI've been growing fond of Regina Spektor lately. Great pianist, quirky but catchy tunes, cute as a button.


GravatarActually, NTodd's Pa and Wife started taking Spanish because of Shakira...
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn


Sadly, I understand her back is really messed up after all the gyrating on her world tour after the first album.

I'm sure we have plenty of chivalrous young men right here on this board who'd gladly massage her sore spots...


GravatarDamn kids these days.

They got no hair. They all look like goddamn Dick Cheney.

Grow some hair, punk!!


Gravatardamn computer just crashed

Mandy does a rendition of "Buddy Can You Spare a Dime" that may be over the top but is haunting nonetheless.


GravatarThis just in: great music was written in the 13th centuries that even crazed whippernsappers can learn to appreciate.

How many 13th centuries have there been?


GravatarAnd I wondered what I've often wondered about this nation: Once a country outsources most of its manufacturing, how can it handle a major catastrophe? Supposedly no one will ever challenge our right to import whatever we want and need. But...what if that "right" is challenged?

We ramped up and out produced the German war machine, despite their considerable head start.

Simply amazing.

Could we do it today? Why do I doubt it? OTOH, when are we gonna face another German war machine, or its equivalent?


GravatarMandy does a rendition of "Buddy Can You Spare a Dime" that may be over the top but is haunting nonetheless.
ql-was in NY


I really want to get an early Bing Crosby collection, just for his performance of that song.


GravatarHow many 13th centuries have there been?
JeffCO


Um... so far I've got 5 and still counting.


Gravatarthere seems to be a profusion of female artists now. or maybe just a handful.

pink, kt, shakira, amy winehouse, and of course christina aguilera.

no shortage of good fresh music.


GravatarBurns said that he was stunned by the comments of regular soldiers about MacArthur's poor strategy and tactics early on.

jawbone | 09.29.07 - 4:56 pm | #

The media perpetuate the myth that soldiers accept orders without thinking or ever talking about them, which is absolute bullshit.

It's just like any other job. The boss is an idiot, and the underlings have to put up with his/her shit, except soldiers have a lot more on the line...


GravatarNeither does his cousin...
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn

Phillip?
Jim


Yup.

This just in: great music was written in the 13th centuries that even crazed whippernsappers can learn to appreciate.

Oddly, I listen to that shit, too. Monks to Mozart to Moody Blues to Metallica. I pretty much like anything.


GravatarGrow some hair, punk!!
Tom3


Fine.


Gravatarbtw my hairdresser has his own myspace page - Scott Green - acu

been going to his salon since I was little

my mum is also a regular


GravatarHave to go get my laundry....

Back in a bit...


GravatarHow many 13th centuries have there been?
JeffCO | 09.29.07 - 4:57 pm | #


two.

one of each.


GravatarMonks to Mozart to Moody Blues to Metallica. I pretty much like anything.
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn


As long as it starts with an "M".


GravatarHow many 13th centuries have there been?

2?


GravatarLET'S PARTY MOTHER FUCKING DIRTY HIPPIES!!!


GravatarThe Pope still thinks its the 13th century and hes infallible, so keep counting.


GravatarAnd this is my anger listening: There Must Be Some Limits. Here.


GravatarAnother example of people working against their economic interest in the name of self interest are the collection agents. Coercion in many cases is the worst thing these people can do. The only chance they possibly have to collect anything is to be nice.


Gravatarthis is the second data cd he has asked me to do, he loved my last one


GravatarI really want to get an early Bing Crosby collection, just for his performance of that song.
Gummo


I somehow acquired a Bing Christmas album put out during WWII. Pure 40's schmaltz, but so much better than the manufactured kind after the war, when we knew we'd won.

This was the "not sure but we'll remain hopeful" sentiment of the war itself. Beautiful stuff. A radio broadcast, so it wasn't manufactured for the studio. Nice time capsule.


GravatarThe Pope still thinks its the 13th century and hes infallible, so keep counting.
Tom3


But the Pope wasn't officially infallible until the 1870s.


Gravatar2?
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn


as i already pointed out.

sheesh.


GravatarI think that I'll go finish the house stuff.

Later!


Gravataras you can see by my playlist, i like a little bit of everything

past and present


GravatarAs long as it starts with an "M".

Yup. MABBA, Mrankie Goes To Hollywood, The Meatles, Meethoven, Mob Dylan, Meter Gabriel, Mink Floyd, Mritney Spears...


GravatarPlum posted this one a few days ago. I thought it was great:

I kinda liked it, but seriously, dude, it sounds like the theme song to an Italian-made spy movie in 1968.


GravatarI somehow acquired a Bing Christmas album put out during WWII. Pure 40's schmaltz, but so much better than the manufactured kind after the war, when we knew we'd won.

I unabashedly love that stuff. A recent "Christmas With the Rat Pack" compilation is a current fave.


GravatarIt's just like any other job. The boss is an idiot, and the underlings have to put up with his/her shit, except soldiers have a lot more on the line...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin


When I finally learned what "SNAFU" and "FUBAR" meant, and then learned they came out of WWII, I gained a new appreciation for the "grunts," and a whole new perspective on the "good war" that we always knew we'd win.


GravatarThe Meatles

Who could forget "Beat the Meatles"?


Gravatarmy favorite artists include mozart, arlo, frankie armstrong, black sabbath (early stuff), zappa, and the gypsy kings. oh, and eddie rabbit.

just about any musical style as long as it is done well.

except jazz.

jazz sucks.


Gravataras i already pointed out.

[pisses in coke]


GravatarI somehow acquired a Bing Christmas album put out during WWII. Pure 40's schmaltz, but so much better than the manufactured kind after the war, when we knew we'd won.

This was the "not sure but we'll remain hopeful" sentiment of the war itself. Beautiful stuff. A radio broadcast, so it wasn't manufactured for the studio. Nice time capsule.
Rmj, Ecce Homo


Bing was an amazing singer, one of the first to master the "up close & intimate" style that worked so well with amplified microphones and the radio -- he may have been the first radio-made pop music star.

Before that, it was belters like Al Jolson because you had to be able to reach the back row of the theater with lung power alone.;


Gravatartwo.

one of each.
dirk gently


AUC
BCE
CE
Jewish (sorry, forgot name)
Hijrah

Now, haven't worked east and mesoamerican yet....


Gravatarjazz sucks.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:02 pm | #

The Kenny G kind does.


GravatarPart of the reason I'm so out of date is my kids liked mostly show music, so instead of listening to rock in the nineties I had to listen Evita, 1776, Phantom, Chicago, etc. Quite nice actually.


GravatarThe most vile group are the collection agents for medical bills.


Gravatar[pisses in coke]
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn |


always recycle.


GravatarA recent "Christmas With the Rat Pack" compilation is a current fave.
geor3ge


The only CD Mrs. Gummo ever bought off a TV ad!


GravatarJR you might like this - KLF - America: What Time is Love


GravatarA recent "Christmas With the Rat Pack" compilation is a current fave.

I love that cd. Played it a ton last Christmas.


GravatarHeh, ran across this earlier: Top 10 songs to play loud after accidental exposure to Bill O'Reilly.


I'd have put MC-5's "Kick Out the Jams" on that...


GravatarThe most vile group are the collection agents for medical bills.
ape


Jesus caught shit for dining with tax collectors. 'Twas ever thus, as Rmj says.


GravatarSadly, I understand her back is really messed up after all the gyrating on her world tour after the first album.
I worked with a strange Christian lady last summer who was very excited to go see Shakira at The Garden, as they were from the same country.
One night, one of the boys pointed out "I saw your girl Shakira on TV, and usually, when someone dances like that, they're about to take off their clothes."
This upset her, and she fled to the break room. Then came back and said "God is speaking through you, Ed. I will give away my tickets."
I henceforth referred to Ed as "The Deity."


GravatarYou like jazz, you just don't know it.


GravatarWhen I finally learned what "SNAFU" and "FUBAR" meant, and then learned they came out of WWII, I gained a new appreciation for the "grunts," and a whole new perspective on the "good war" that we always knew we'd win.
Rmj, Ecce Homo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:02 pm | #

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It's being around alot of guys and their natural playfullness and high jinx. If the bullets don't kill you, I swear you'll die of laughter.


Gravatar"the 13 Centuries" would be a great name for a show on ancient roman warfare.

or a band.


GravatarHoly cow - Colorado just whomped Oklahoma. There will be joy in the people's republic tonight.


GravatarYou like jazz, you just don't know it.
ape | 09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #


that's why it sucks.

bluegrass rocks, though.


GravatarI knew I meant to ask:

Anybody catch "Dr. Who" last night (very old for you, Moon. We don't start the new season here until the summer) with the "President Elect of the US"? A pompous ass who shoves the British PM aside, and when the aliens demand the "Master," allows as how he'll be their Master, God willing?

Oy, the image the Brits have of our political system....


Gravatarthe KLF (also known as The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu (The JAMs), The Timelords and other names; the acronym KLF has no "official" meaning but is sometimes interpreted as "Kopyright Liberation Front") were one of the seminal bands of the British acid house movement during the late 1980s and early 1990s

they famously fired machine gun blanks into the audience at the 1992 BRIT Awards and dumped a dead sheep at the aftershow party.

This performance announced The KLF's departure from the music business, and in May 1992 the duo deleted their entire back catalogue.


Gravatar*munch munch*

The pfefferneusse are ready.


Gravatarbluegrass rocks, though.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:06 pm | #

Iraqi Top, TN


GravatarI henceforth referred to Ed as "The Deity."
bill buckner | 09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #


did you get the tickets?


GravatarI love that cd. Played it a ton last Christmas.
pie


Ella's Christmas album was remastered recently. Mel Torme did a splendid one in his last years.

Going back a couple centuries, Boston Camerata released "An American Christmas", replete with early colonial, folk tune, and shape-note stylings.


GravatarParty on Wayne!!

Party on Garth!!


Gravatar
I unabashedly love that stuff. A recent "Christmas With the Rat Pack" compilation is a current fave.


Sinatra was a motherfucker.


GravatarBeginning in 1987, Bill Drummond (alias King Boy D) and Jimmy Cauty (alias Rockman Rock) released hip hop-inspired and sample-heavy records as The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu, and on one occasion (the British number one hit single "Doctorin' the Tardis") as The Timelords. As The KLF, Drummond and Cauty pioneered the genres "stadium house" (rave music with a pop-rock production and sampled crowd noise) and "ambient house". The KLF released a series of international top-ten hits on their own KLF Communications record label, and became the biggest-selling singles act in the world for 1991. The duo also published a book, The Manual, and worked on a road movie called The White Room.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_KLF


GravatarOy, the image the Brits have of our political system....
Rmj, Ecce Homo


Yes, and yes. Was thinking the same thing. The last six years haven't helped much.


GravatarJR you might like this - KLF - America: What Time is Love
Moonbootica


it made the historian in me wince (yo, Canada is not America), but fun naetheless


GravatarI'm listening to Buddy Holly, drinking Early Grey tea, and bs'ing with you folks.


Gravatar.jazz sucks.
dirk gently, sociopathetic



Tilt!

Duke Ellington did not suck by any rasonable criterion. Nor did Charles Mingus, Thelonius Monk, Charlie Parker, or John Coltrane. You just can't really know that music and still say it sucks.


GravatarSinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b


Absolutely. And Wagner was as vicious anti-Semite, but I still love the Ring Cycle.


GravatarIraqi Top, TN
Gilly Gonzylon |


ever hear of jack maheu and the salt city six? he used to play at eddie condons.

he is sort of my brother in law.


GravatarFor ratpacky CD cover goodness, you can't beat Joey Heatherton.


GravatarYou just can't really know that music and still say it sucks.
blerb | 09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #


macs suck too.


GravatarI'm listening to Buddy Holly, drinking Early Grey tea, and bs'ing with you folks.


Ever hear Fleetwood Mac's Earl Grey?


GravatarSinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b

Absolutely. And Wagner was as vicious anti-Semite, but I still love the Ring Cycle.
geor3ge | 09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #


there must be a correlation between very good music and the musician being bad motherfuckers


Gravatarbill buckner

that's really funny.

and depressing. the christianoids are so foolish sometimes. i suppose she believes that all those wine parties jesus went to had no sexy dancing whatsoever. sigh.


Gravatardid you get the tickets?
Not my thing. I like jazz.


GravatarI don't mind some jazz but a lot leaves me cold


Gravatarever hear of jack maheu and the salt city six? he used to play at eddie condons.

he is sort of my brother in law.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #

Nope. My ex brother in law is an emergency room doctor who regrets it and wishes he would have started a car restoration shop.


Gravatarwagner's music isn't as bad as it sounds.
-- sam clemens


GravatarSinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b

So is Chimpy. And try not to think of him climbing on Bar the Killer Whale.

Oh no, not again.


GravatarEver hear Fleetwood Mac's Earl Grey?
willie b


We have some early FM in the house, I really enjoy it, but don't know all the titles.

Peter Green, man. Whew.


GravatarWhy I am back in Dayton?


Gravatarthere must be a correlation between very good music and the musician being bad motherfuckers
Moonbootica, Job Hunting


No, I just think no sub-group is immune from its share of assholes.


Gravatarmacs suck too.
dirk gently, sociopathetic



Apparently you have me confused with someone else.


GravatarSinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b



Talented motherfucker, though.


GravatarSinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b


A friend's parents (French) were in Palm Springs and got it into their heads that they'd like a picture of Frank Sinatra's house. I don't know how they found the address, but they drove over to the neighborhood and as soon as they stopped the car some large necked gentlemen began asking very unfriendly questions about their intentions. They left.


Gravatari (yo, Canada is not America


For got damn sure.

Jeez.

Fuckin' Canucks.


Gravatari suppose she believes that all those wine parties jesus went to had no sexy dancing whatsoever. sigh.

Jesus was the go to guy for turning water into funk.


Gravatarwagner's music isn't as bad as it sounds.
-- sam clemens
dirk gently, sociopathetic



"Wagner, Max, Wagner."


GravatarDid Sinatra break a champagne bottle on Ava Gardner's head?


Gravatari suppose she believes that all those wine parties jesus went to had no sexy dancing whatsoever. sigh.
chicago dyke


Oh, there are fundies who will swear Jesus never drank wine, no matter what it says in their infallible Bible. It had to be grape juice, because Jesus wouldn't poison himself with alcohol.

Mrs. Gummo says she heard this all the time as a yute.


GravatarWe have some Earl Gray in the house but I don't enjoy it.

It has something fucked up in it that makes my mouth go numb.


GravatarMore Candie Payne at Glastonbury 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...h? v=_J_rW65GC08


GravatarOh, there are fundies who will swear Jesus never drank wine, no matter what it says in their infallible Bible. It had to be grape juice, because Jesus wouldn't poison himself with alcohol.

"I believe every word in the Bible is infallible, except the parts that don't jive with my worldview."


GravatarWe have some Earl Gray in the house but I don't enjoy it.

It has something fucked up in it that makes my mouth go numb.
Tom3


Dammit, we sprayed the paraquat on the wrong batch of "tea"!
-- the DEA


GravatarDid Sinatra break a champagne bottle on Ava Gardner's head?

Pfft - that's nothing. simels once coldcocked Fatty Arbuckle.


GravatarThe world's largest seafood company is coming under intense pressure to shift its fish farms further out to sea after its largest shareholder claimed the industry was helping to kill off wild salmon and trout populations. A coalition of 32 conservation, angling and aboriginal peoples' groups from the UK, Canada, Norway, Ireland, Iceland and the United States has written an open letter to Marine Harvest, which produces a third of the world's farmed fish, urging it to ban fish farms from wild salmon and trout rivers.

John Fredriksen, a Norwegian shipping and oil industry billionaire who owns 29% of Marine Harvest, surprised anglers and conservationists by directly linking fish farms to plunging wild fish populations - a link the industry has repeatedly disputed. A keen angler who is reputedly worth £3.5bn and has a home in Chelsea, he told a Norwegian newspaper earlier this year: "I am concerned about the future for wild salmon. Fish farming should not be allowed in fjords with salmon rivers."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/enviro...sep/29/ fishfarm


Gravatarbluegrass rocks, though.
dirk gently,


i would rather walk through a river of shit chewing ground glass with goggles showing bush and gannon going at it strapped to my eyes, than listen to most bluegrass.

i respect the fact that a lot of the artists are progressive though. i just can't stand the yodeling.


GravatarNot my thing. I like jazz.
bill buckner | 09.29.07 - 5:10 pm | #


you suck.



Gravatar"I believe every word in the Bible is infallible, except the parts that don't jive with my worldview."
geor3ge


Mindboggling, ain't it?


Gravatari respect the fact that a lot of the artists are progressive though.

With the glaring exception of Bill Monroe.


GravatarYou like jazz, you just don't know it.
ape | 09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #

that's why it sucks.

bluegrass rocks, though.
- dirk gently



dirk, are you the guy working in the next building who has the Outback with a sticker on the back window of a cheerfully grinning rabbit holding a banjo a saying "Your music sucks hard".


GravatarWhy I am back in Dayton?

Grammar lessons?


Gravatarrespect the fact that a lot of the artists are progressive though. i just can't stand the yodeling.
chicago dyke


Yodelling?

Not every bluegrass song is a Jimmy Rodgers cover!


GravatarThe money lost by British gamblers will exceed £10bn annually next year - a rise of 50% in nine years, and the biggest jump since the 1960s.

The losses have been driven by abolition of betting duty, the emergence of online betting, poker and casino sites, and a steady unwinding of regulatory constraints. But the biggest single drain comes from a new type of slot machine, offering video roulette in betting shops.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/ gambli...2179789,00.html


GravatarI notice nobody has mentioned "1st Battalion The Black Watch - The Ladies From Hell" on their rave music list. Or Carlos Nakai's records. Or the Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack.


GravatarWe have some early FM in the house, I really enjoy it, but don't know all the titles.

Peter Green, man. Whew.


Eark Grey was the 1st album after Green left. Danny Kirwan was the lead player and singer (except that Earl Grey is an instrumental).

IIRC, I sent you some Green era Mac.

Want some Kirwan stuff? It's actually better, IMO.


GravatarApparently you have me confused with someone else.
blerb | 09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #


no, it wasn't necessarily aimed at you.

sometimes i just like to make trouble.


GravatarI don't like the taste of Earl Grey. And Lady Grey is no better.


Gravatarsometimes i just like to make trouble.
dirk gently, sociopathetic


You should meet my mother-in-law.


Gravatar Farewell To Gorz


Gravatardirk, are you the guy working in the next building who has the Outback with a sticker on the back window of a cheerfully grinning rabbit holding a banjo a saying "Your music sucks hard".
bo, Hairballacious | 09.29.07 - 5:15 pm | #


no, i just got bored of everyone liking the same music.

really i like just about any music hat is done well. or rare.


GravatarIIRC, I sent you some Green era Mac.

Yes, you did! Good shit.

Want some Kirwan stuff? It's actually better, IMO.
willie b

Oh thanks, but no. Got a whole bunch of music sitting here I haven't even checked out yet.

Wonderful problem to have, though.


GravatarI used to enjoy Earl Grey. Lately I'd rather just spray perfume in my mouth.


GravatarWell, I gotta go, so I'll leave Moon with some CanCon.

Dance After Curfew


GravatarNow I want a cup of earl grey. Hot!


GravatarI notice nobody has mentioned "1st Battalion The Black Watch - The Ladies From Hell" on their rave music list.

I have some Black Watch and Coldstream Guard vinyls from the 1960s. Does that count?


GravatarSimon Carr on Gordon Brown


GravatarNow I want a cup of earl grey. Hot!
JeffCO


Make it so.


GravatarAnd here is another PMMP Finnish band. They sing "I am perfect, so start falling in love. The line forms there."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a...h? v=ahL6XuZXkb8


GravatarTalented motherfucker, though.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz


TC - I meant that Ol' Blue Eyes was a motherfucker in the "good" sense.

As in bad motherfucker.

[wink]


GravatarNope. My ex brother in law is an emergency room doctor who regrets it and wishes he would have started a car restoration shop. - Gilly Gonzylon

Seen one bodyshop, you seen'em all.


GravatarI drink about a half gallon of Lipton iced tea a day. That's the only thing I drink.


Gravatarjack maheau was a dixieland style clarinetist.


Gravataryou suck.


dirk


Then he/she makes his/her husband/wife/s.o. very happy then.



GravatarPleasant evening, you fabulous moonbats.


GravatarNever got into the iced tea.

But just about any kind of black tea (that isn't smoky) with a slice of lemon, perhaps just a touch of sugar to cut the acid -- mmm.


GravatarOh thanks, but no. Got a whole bunch of music sitting here I haven't even checked out yet.


Aiight, homes. Your call.


GravatarI've become a fan of camomile, vanilla and honey tea


GravatarNever got into the iced tea.

You've probably never had it made right.

It's delicious!!


Gravatarclose enough, spinoza. good shit, in the right mood...

And how about the Sandpipers or Peter, Paul and Mary or Nat King Cole?

I hate to say it, sounding fuddy-duddy as it does, but I really prefer music with a melody and comprehensible lyrics. Not that there aren't lots of exceptions to that like Inagaddadavida (too lazy to look up the spelling this afternoon).


GravatarKarl Rove's latest front group

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/3...cs/ 30watch.html


Gravatarfrom Moon's link about Andre Gorz:
He played a role in popularising the work of Ivan Illich and the Club of Rome and based much of his important work around a humanist, eco-socialist perspective opposed to both productivist/authoritarian versions of Marxism and what he saw as anti-humanist Deep Ecology.

What is anti-humanist Deep Ecology? The idea that the earth is better off without humans, I guess?


GravatarYou've probably never had it made right.

It's delicious!!
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U


Sounds like an offer....


GravatarYou should meet my mother-in-law.
Toucari


The one who is visiting now?

Sorry.


GravatarFeh, it's still hot here.


GravatarI drink about a half gallon of Lipton iced tea a day.
I love the V8 juice.


GravatarNext time you're in Boulder, I'll take you down Sleepytime Drive past Zinger Street to the Celestial Seasonings factory.


GravatarNever got into the iced tea.

You've probably never had it made right.


Sun tea is wonderful.


GravatarI drink about a half gallon of Lipton iced tea a day.

Paul Simon said he used to smoke a pint of tea a day....


GravatarP O'Neill | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:21 pm | #

Greedom's Watch


GravatarShakira would be good even if she wasn't jaw-droppingly hot.

But it's nice to have both.
Gummo


I like Shakira because she's smart and not ashamed to be smart.

I understand she's taking some courses at UCLA right now.

Better role model for girls than Britney, Nicole, Paris and Lindsay.


GravatarSounds like an offer....

Well, sure...


(hollers) "MADDIE!!! open the wormhole for me, would ya? PUT DOWN THE FEATHER ON THE STICK PLEASE...."


GravatarWhat is anti-humanist Deep Ecology? The idea that the earth is better off without humans, I guess?
Marcellina | 09.29.07 - 5:21 pm | #


I think so, the primitivism types

its explore more here - Moonbase Alpha? Space and Survival.


GravatarAnd this is the very best of the PMMP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z...h? v=zkWtOrell7o

The song is called Your Tanning Stripes and they ask to see them and ask to fly, yanno.


GravatarI just found chai tea bags in my local Interspar for the first time last month. Currently my choice of tea.


GravatarBritish troops in Afghanistan may have to take ground gained this summer again next year, the Nato chief has warned.

Gen Dan McNeill said the alliance had made important military gains over the past six months in Helmand.

But he warned Afghan security forces might not be able to retain security as the Taleban regroup over winter.

The Ministry of Defence said it had been increasing British forces in Helmand, which would help consolidate gains made during operations.

About 25 British troops have been killed in the southern region in the past six months.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...ews/ 7017450.stm


GravatarBetter role model for girls than Britney, Nicole, Paris and Lindsay.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz


Pink, too.

Even Christine Aguilera -- she enjoys putting on the hoochie image but man, she can really sing.


GravatarWhat is anti-humanist Deep Ecology?

I presume it refers to Garrett Hardin and his ilk. The idea that for example sending food to Africa or Bangladesh is counter-productive because it will only result in more misery in the end.


GravatarBetter role model for girls than Britney, Nicole, Paris and Lindsay.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz

Pink, too.

Even Christine Aguilera -- she enjoys putting on the hoochie image but man, she can really sing.
Gummo


Christina is finally doing material worthy of her voice.


GravatarIt's delicious!!
fourlegsrgood


I have to say, the South does ice tea about 1000 times better than up North. You even get to request unsweetened.


GravatarI drink about a half gallon of Lipton iced tea a day. That's the only thing I drink.
Ô¿Ô | 09.29.07 - 5:19 pm | #


Allow us to be somewhat skeptical....


GravatarSun tea is wonderful.

As is Sun Ra.


Gravatartsst Lipton tea is fine.


Gravatara interesting quote from a Ken MacLeod book (The Star Fraction) is below my blog title

“Protection. Conservation. Restriction. Deep ecology. Give me deep technology any day. They don't scare me. "I'm damned if I'll crawl, my children's children crawl on the earth in some kind a fuckin' harmony with the environment. Yeah, till the next ice age or the next asteroid impact." - Moh Kohn


GravatarDance After Curfew

Sorry. Didn't do anything for me.


GravatarI have to say, the South does ice tea about 1000 times better than up North. You even get to request unsweetened.

Yes.

I put sugar in it, but I don't like to order sweet tea.

Too sweet.


GravatarThe idea that for example sending food to Africa or Bangladesh is counter-productive because it will only result in more misery in the end.
spinoza


Wow. That's cold and harsh, but it may prove out true in the end.

The pessimists are on a winning streak these days, sad to say....


GravatarThe one who is visiting now?

Sorry.
ql-was in NY


Yes.
Last night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.


GravatarSun tea is wonderful.

As is Sun Ra.


I also like Isised tea.


GravatarGummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:24 pm | #

I still dig Tori Amos and Fiona Apple...


GravatarKarl Rove's latest front group


Gravatartsst Lipton tea is fine.

Yes.

I really like Tetley orange pekoe. Can't always find it here.


GravatarI have to say, the South does ice tea about 1000 times better than up North. You even get to request unsweetened.
ql-was in NY


Isn't unsweetened iced tea just Northern iced tea?

I've heard that southern sweet tea is about half sugar (never tried it)


GravatarOh, I drink beer, too.


GravatarI still dig Tori Amos and Fiona Apple...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #

"Criminal" is a great song.


GravatarSun Tzu is no slacker either.


Gravataroh fuck you, haloscan


Gravatartsst Lipton tea is fine.

Yes it is.

Variety is the spice of life, as 'they' say....


GravatarI put sugar in it, but I don't like to order sweet tea.

Too sweet.


Best tea ever was in a restaurant in Mexico. Sugar pooled in the bottom, brewed just right, lime instead of lemon. Made it dessert.


GravatarLipton Tea is served a lot on the Continent, must to my mum's chagrin so she brings her own tea bags with her when she goes abroad


GravatarIt's kinda weird that I have anonymous weirdos studying every word I write.

Look, I think I misspelt some in this post!


GravatarLast night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.

Just remember she's leaving eventually.

In the meantime tell her that the extra grey in her hair makes her look very distinguished and that it's wonderful that she still can find clothes in her size after gaining so much weight.


GravatarLipton tea is yucky


GravatarWow. That's cold and harsh, but it may prove out true in the end.

Garrett Hardin did some great work. His essay on the tragedy of the commons is wonderful. But he pushed the deep ecology idea to rather dizzying levels. iirc he and his wife committed suicide together rather than face more of old age and illnesses.


GravatarFiona Apple - Listen to the keyboard mellotron. Same ones as used on Beatles Magical Mystery Tour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...h? v=uTpvjNn2BUM


GravatarLipton Tea is served a lot on the Continent, must to my mum's chagrin so she brings her own tea bags with her when she goes abroad
Moonbootica, Job Hunting


If I didn't know better, I might suspect you were British!


GravatarLast night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.

Tell her she should shave more often.


GravatarIsn't unsweetened iced tea just Northern iced tea?

Ummm, no.

Believe it or not, sweet tea is not the norm in the south.


Gravatarmy mum and I drink Fairtrade Tea


GravatarDownloaded a gigabyte + of "Summer of Love" music.

OY! SO much nostolgia, so many memories.


GravatarLast night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing. - Toucari

Keep going, you'll have lots of witnesses for your justifiable homicide defense.


GravatarLipton tea is yucky

Not for ice tea it's not.

For hot tea I prefer other things.

Lipton is just a blend of orange and black pekoe, nothing wrong with that.


GravatarFairtrade tea(the TeaDirect is the one me and my mum like to drink)


GravatarDownloaded a gigabyte + of "Summer of Love" music.

OY! SO much nostolgia, so many memories.
Chris Tucker


Is that the new "Nuggets" collection?

I'm waiting to actually buy it for myself for Xmas -- I love Rhino's packaging for their albums, lotsa pictures, liner notes, essays, etc.


GravatarThe NYT article doesn't mention it, but the odious Matalin Harpy is involved in that "grassroots" independent Ari Fleischer group too

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/


GravatarI don't like the taste of tannin so I don't drink tea at all, except some green tea if nothing else is available.


GravatarLipton is just a blend of orange and black pekoe, nothing wrong with that.

It is the Velveeta of tea.


GravatarHi! Bye!


GravatarAh, so we have a contingent of tea nazis to go with our musical taste nazis.


Just fucking say you don't like it and leave it at that, please.


GravatarLa Tigre!

*mwah*


GravatarTell her she should shave more often. - spinoza

Or breathe less often.


Gravatar"3:10 to Yuma" was a really good flick.


GravatarMy mum is a part of my hometown's Fairtrade Team, she goes and gives speeches at local organizations and schools


GravatarI don't like the taste of tannin

That would explain Biff's calling you a butthead.


GravatarIt is the Velveeta of tea.
JeffCO |


mmmmm.....grilled cheese-food-product sandwiches......


GravatarHi watertiger!



GravatarAh, so we have a contingent of tea nazis to go with our musical taste nazis.


Just fucking say you don't like it and leave it at that, please.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U


Actually, I think it's fun, seeing what different people are passionate about.


Gravatar"Pfft - that's nothing. simels once coldcocked Fatty Arbuckle."

The worse part was icing down his penis.


GravatarI bet Dear Leader does not watch Ken Burns' The War....

Damn the MCM for saddling us with that idiot for a president.


GravatarHi! Bye! watertiger

She knows we like to see her coming and walking away.


GravatarI don't like the taste of tannin so I don't drink tea at all, except some green tea if nothing else is available.

Some parrots eat foods that are bitter with tannin for the protein. They deal with the bitterness by eating clay. The same is sometimes found in humans (the DSM-IV refers to the behavior as pica).So maybe you should add some clay to your tea.


GravatarTonight I am going to hide in my neighbor's sukkot.


GravatarLast night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.

My mil does that with her own daughters. Never with me. But her behavior has colored my feelings about her, because she's made them miserable and continues to do so, even though they're both in their 50's.


GravatarActually, I think it's fun, seeing what different people are passionate about.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:33 pm | #


Yeah, but they don't have to insult other people's choices.


GravatarActually, I think it's fun, seeing what different people are passionate about.

I have learned a lot about that on the net! More than I ever wished to learn, probably.


GravatarMy point is, feel free to tell me what you love, and if you don't like what I like that's fine.

But you don't have to make blanket pronouncements about what "sucks."


GravatarI'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.
Toucari


Ah, I never got on that well with my mil either but I always said I could get along with anyone for one or two weeks a year. Same kind of deal, the sandwiches I made for her grandchildren weren't healthy, it was ridiculous to try and limit sugar in babies under two, fer christ's sake, and so on. It'll be over before ya know it and you will understand the old saw about not knowing how much it hurt to bang your head against the till you stopped.


GravatarMet a friend in a cafe last week, and asked the waiter what kinds of tea he had. The usual (black, fruit, peppermint, green) and white tea.
"It's like green tea, only milder." I'd never heard of it before.


GravatarClose allies of Gordon Brown will tell him this weekend he will never have a better chance of crushing the Conservative Party after two new opinion polls gave Labour a huge, 10-point lead.

Mr Brown is to consult trusted advisers on whether to call a snap election but will not make a final decision until after he has seen the reaction to David Cameron's closing speech to the Tories' conference in Blackpool on Wednesday.

A Populus poll for today's Times newspaper puts Labour on 41 per cent, the Tories on 31 per cent and the Liberal Democrats on 17 per cent. Labour has risen by four points in the past four weeks and the Tories fell by five points.

Mr Brown leads Mr Cameron on key leadership attributes – by 59 per cent to 30 per cent in having "what it takes to be a good prime minister", by 60 to 45 per cent in caring "about the problems ordinary people face", by 50 to 30 per cent in having "answers to the big problems facing Britain" and by 64 to 57 per cent in being "about the future not the past".


http://news.independent.co.uk/ uk...icle3010195.ece


GravatarWe get our tea at Ten Ren Tea company, located in the Pacific East Mall complex in Albany (CA, not NY). They have about 100 kinds, but I'd say that their black King's tea and their ~$80/lb. Pouchong Oolong are my faves. I also like Lhapsang Souchong, of which even the most expensive variety is pretty cheap. But Lipton? Eck.


GravatarWhite tea is very good.


GravatarWhy I am back in Dayton?

Grammar lessons?
spinoza | 09.29.07 - 5:15 pm | #




I was back 'home' in Chicago and just flew back today. From civilization to juvenile deliquents hanging out across the street.


GravatarI like all kinds of tea, but I only really drink it when it's cold. Prefer iced coffee rather than iced tea.


GravatarI bet Dear Leader does not watch Ken Burns' The War....
- jawbone

Beats off nightly to Patton, no doubt.


Gravatari being British put milk in my cup of tea


GravatarMy mil does that with her own daughters. Never with me. But her behavior has colored my feelings about her, because she's made them miserable and continues to do so, even though they're both in their 50's.
pie


In my family it goes the other way. My SIL showed up to my mom's for a Mother's Day brunch, two hours late and and just finishing up her challupa as she got out of the car.


GravatarTonight I am going to hide in my neighbor's sukkot.

Don't add bubble bath to the mikvah.


Gravatarpie | 09.29.07 - 5:36 pm | #

Does Pie like Chai ?


GravatarBut you don't have to make blanket pronouncements about what "sucks."

That kind of blanket proscription on blanket pronouncements sucks.


GravatarThe number of parents home schooling their children has increased by at least 800 per cent within five years in some parts of Britain, as growing evidence emerges that some schools have encouraged it as a way of improving league table ratings for truancy and educational performance

The highest increase in Britain has been recorded in Lancashire, where 567 children are now home schooled compared with 61 five years ago.

Leicestershire's increase is 420 per cent and Cardiff's 221 per cent, though Education Otherwise – an organisation which offers advice to parents wanting to educate their children at home – claims the numbers may be three times higher than those disclosed by local authorities, because some children never start school in the first place and are not on local authority records.


http://news.independent.co.uk/ ed...icle3010202.ece


GravatarSince I'm cranky I think I'll just go away again.


GravatarTemple of Heaven special gun powder green tea.

Lo han guo is yummy, but it's not really a tea.


GravatarIt is the Velveeta of tea.
JeffCO


Y'mama.

For ice tea it's great.

Frappin' snob.

[wink]


GravatarLive just blows right now. My wife is ill, Bush is still president and fucking Kent State is beating my beloved Bobcats. The Indians will probably lose just to cap off a perfectly shitty week.


Gravatar.I don't like the taste of tannin so I don't drink tea at all, except some green tea if nothing else is available.
Echidne


Most really fine tea, if properly prepared, has very little tannic bite to it. It's just that Lipton stuff that tastes like furniture polish.


GravatarDoes Pie like Chai ?

I die for chai.


Gravatar It's just that Lipton stuff that tastes like furniture polish.
blerb


You say that like it's a bad thing.


Gravataralso like Lhapsang Souchong, of which even the most expensive variety is pretty cheap

That's really more of a study tea, isn't it?


GravatarTannin is in red wine but not white, is that right?


GravatarDoes Pie like Chai ?

I die for chai.
pie | 09.29.07 - 5:38 pm | #

It is fly
While reading "Catcher in the Rye"


GravatarTai Chi?

Chai Tea?
.


GravatarFrappin' snob.

Who said Velveeta is bad?


GravatarDarjeeling is nice as well

my mum has also in the cupboard Masala Spiced Tea, which is also good


GravatarActually, I think it's fun, seeing what different people are passionate about.
Gummo


Amazing isn't. I love the controversy in the quilting world between hand quilters and machine, and don't get em started on the rotary cutter and strip piecing. Oy. Magazines are devoted to it.


GravatarTai Chi?

Chai Tea?
.
Tom3


Whoa.

Dude.

Cosmic.


GravatarBut you don't have to make blanket pronouncements about what "sucks." - fourlegsrgood

Ok, specifically, your statement sucks, got it?. [/NTodd


Gravatarthere must be a correlation between very good music and the musician being bad motherfuckers
Moonbootica, Job Hunting

I think that goes for the visual arts as well. You put a lot of "yourself" on display when you sing, put up a painting for public scrutiny, etc. Makes for fragile egos or something.


GravatarThe Jester, I hope that your wife is speedily getting better.


GravatarThe Indians will probably lose just to cap off a perfectly shitty week.

Nothing you can do about it, but I do hope your wife is better soon.

Indians look pretty good. As my husband said last night, if they can get past the fucking Yankees...


Gravatari being British put milk in my cup of tea
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker



I put half and half in that expensive Oolong tea, too. Might horrify the Chinese connisseurs, but I like it that way.


GravatarTannin is in red wine but not white, is that right?
Jim | 09.29.07 - 5:39 pm | #

I dunno, but it is the skin that creates the color. Only positive thing I learned from "Sideways"


GravatarOh shit, I missed teh new Torchwood


GravatarHi! Bye!
watertiger


When B'klyn Girl isn't looking, give Simels a big hug and kiss from me.


GravatarWho said Velveeta is bad?
JeffCO


Works great if you run out of caulk for your tub!


GravatarWho said Velveeta is bad?
JeffCO

Velveeta is what holds the Philly cheese steak together.


GravatarSerious news from CNN


GravatarOh shit, I missed teh new Torchwood
Jim | 09.29.07 - 5:41 pm | #

You can see the porn version

"Touchwood"


GravatarAfter I read Nial Fergusen's book about how America needed to take up the British Burden of Managing the Orientals, I started drinking tea and wearing a pith helmut. I say, this Empire Business is not as Easy as it might have appeared.


GravatarWhen in Boulder, we can also visit the Teahouse, a gift from the people of Dushanbe. More tea than one could drink.


GravatarI'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.
Toucari, DFH |


people who speak to me like that aren't invited back to the house again. i don't care if you're related to someone or not, there's just no good reason to tolerate that kind of insult and beratement. this is something i learned when i decided to stop taking that kind of shit from one of my grandmothers- if you allow it, they just keep going and going and making more and more serious insults. i broke off relations with her when she accused me of stealing from her, when in fact i was losing money taking time off from my own work to see that her finances stayed in order.

polite manners are always in style, the right thing, worth maintaining, etc. esp in someone else's home.


Gravatari being British put milk in my cup of tea
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker


So do I, Moon.

My mom was raised by her aunt and uncle. Her aunt was from Ireland (Irish mother, British army officer father) and she drank her tea with milk.

My mom always drinks it that way, and that's the way I've always had it.

I didn't know about the lemon thing till I was in high school.


Gravatar"Is that the new "Nuggets" collection?"

Well part of it was something called "Nuggets; Artyfacts from the 60s" or some such.

Also grabbed the Billboard top 100 for 68, and a bunch of commercial and homebrewed compilations.

I suppose it's a reaction to the current events, I find it comforting to listen to the music I essentially "grew up" with, in every meaning of the term.

I'm starting on collecting 1967 and 1969.


GravatarWhen B'klyn Girl isn't looking, give Simels a big hug and kiss from me.
ql-was in NY


All the ladies love Steve.

Sigh.


Gravatarpolite manners are always in style, the right thing, worth maintaining, etc. esp in someone else's home.
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:42 pm | #

Indeed, but you're cool. Imagine "House" staying at your house.


GravatarWho said Velveeta is bad?
JeffCO

Velveeta is what holds the Philly cheese steak together.
Toucari, DFH



I like Velveeta.


Gravatar.Tannin is in red wine but not white, is that right?
Jim


White wine is not free from tannin but generally contains much less of it than red. The Tannins come from the stems, skins, and seeds, which are left to macerate with the juice during fermentation for red wine thus extracting lots of it, but not for white. But even if you press right away, the resulting white wine will still have some degree of tannin. Also, post-fermentation aging in oak can add tannins to whit wine.


GravatarWhen in Boulder, we can also visit the Teahouse, a gift from the people of Dushanbe. More tea than one could drink.

When we passed through Boulder we stopped for a visit to the Celestial Seasonings factory for a tour. The tour guide dared us to see who could stay the longest in the Peppermint Room (inhale once and you're out of there.)


GravatarAll the ladies love Steve.

Sigh.


Yes, but that's because you're already taken by the lovely Mrs. Gummo.

Silly.


GravatarTai Chi?

Chai Tea?
.
Tom3

Whoa.

Dude.

Cosmic.
Gummo

Actually I stole that one from Lisa Simpson...and I ain't givin' it back.


GravatarThe tour guide dared us to see who could stay the longest in the Peppermint Room (inhale once and you're out of there.)

My favorite part! Well, that and the damaged bin.


GravatarPhiladelphia Cream Cheese
Shine on Me
I Love ya
Shine a light


GravatarYes, but that's because you're already taken by the lovely Mrs. Gummo.

Silly.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U


Taken, yes, not dead.



GravatarI was back 'home' in Chicago and just flew back today. From civilization to juvenile deliquents hanging out across the street.
Buckeye,


oh, it's not so bad in OH, buckeye. i'm here now. i'm enjoying the beauty of the season, this state is lovely this time of year.

and there are plenty of shiftless juvvies on the streets of chicago, i'm sure you'll agree. perhaps you should just draw the curtains and turn up some good music (but not bluegrass, which sucks).


GravatarOrganisers of a protest aimed at calling for British troops to be withdrawn from Iraq claimed yesterday that the authorities are trying to ban the event.

The Stop the War Coalition is planning to stage a march from Trafalgar Square in central London to nearby Parliament on October 8, the day MPs return from their summer break.

But following a series of meetings with police, the group said it had now been told that all demonstrations within a mile of Parliament have been banned.

Organisers of protests have to get police permission to hold events outside Parliament, but several demonstrations have been held in recent years, including many against the Iraq war.

Lindsey German, convenor of STWC, said she was told by police that they had been given a "steer" from Parliament that demonstrations could not be held while the Commons was in session.

"This is a new, worrying development from what has been custom and practice for years. We intend to go ahead with our march and we hope they will back down," she said.


http://news.independent.co.uk/ uk...icle3010213.ece


GravatarTouring a chocolate factory can be an intense experience, too.


GravatarTaken, yes, not dead.


Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:47 pm | #

Better clear your browser cache


GravatarCan we at least all agree that Cheez Whiz is only slightly less appealing than Bear Whiz?


Gravatar"Oh shit, I missed teh new Torchwood"

You mean you missed the new Torchwood on BBC America, right?


GravatarTouring a chocolate factory can be an intense experience, too.
Echidne | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:48 pm | #

http://www.bustedtees.com/bt/ima...gallery- 137.jpg


GravatarBear Whiz Beer.

Its in the water...


GravatarThanks Echidne and Pie, we'll know more next week. For now she's on a Holt monitor and has a Thalium stress test coming up soon. I hope they can come up with a good treatment plan for her


GravatarTai Chi?
Chai Tea?



Then there's Dick Van Dyke's B movie, a shoot'em up about the tea trade called Chai Tea, Chai Tea Bang Bang.


GravatarYou mean you missed the new Torchwood on BBC America, right?

Sigh - yeah the new season won't start in the UK till January I think.


Gravatarperhaps you should just draw the curtains and turn up some good music (but not bluegrass, which sucks)

HEY HEY! Them's fightin' words!


GravatarIf you're dyslexic you could end up ordering Chia Ate.


Gravatar...427th?! Dang it!!


Gravatarhttp://www.bearwhiz.com/bwsplsh.gif


GravatarThanks Echidne and Pie, we'll know more next week. For now she's on a Holt monitor and has a Thalium stress test coming up soon. I hope they can come up with a good treatment plan for her

What's the matter with her?


GravatarThen there's Dick Van Dyke's B movie, a shoot'em up about the tea trade called Chai Tea, Chai Tea Bang Bang.

If I weren't opposed to such methods, that comment would qualify you for a visit with a sack of bedknobs and some broomsticks.


Gravatargilly- it's not about being cool, it's about self respect. reading some of the comments about MILs here today reminds me of just how much power people give others over their own self esteem. your parents and family are owed some degree of filial duty, but not to the point of causing serious emotional injury.

my mother is a perfect example of this. one of the most accomplished black women in america, mensa member, beloved physician, etc. and she still will start crying after a nasty phone call from her mother telling her that her hair is ugly or suchlike. i hate grandma for ruining mom's sense of self esteem.


GravatarSo far my listening this afternoon has been:

Beatles
Buddy Holly
Bob Dylan

I'm so predictable but I don't care.


GravatarI was back 'home' in Chicago and just flew back today. From civilization to juvenile deliquents hanging out across the street.
Buckeye,

oh, it's not so bad in OH, buckeye. i'm here now. i'm enjoying the beauty of the season, this state is lovely this time of year.

and there are plenty of shiftless juvvies on the streets of chicago, i'm sure you'll agree. perhaps you should just draw the curtains and turn up some good music (but not bluegrass, which sucks).
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:47 pm


Are you in Cleveland?


GravatarBluegrass is God's own music. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight.


GravatarMy regular snooty coffeeshop order: a chocolate soy chai.


Gravatar...my afternoon listening includes Natalie MacMaster.


GravatarBluegrass is God's own music. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight.

Well, wha'd'ya know?


GravatarBluegrass is God's own music. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight.
The Jester


Saw Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys this summer right here in Brooklyn.

They were great, but they couldn't figure out why their big applause lines mentioning "our lord & saviour Jesus Christ!" were only getting polite golf claps.


GravatarI feel like some old country music. All this talk of bluegrass is getting me in the mood for that...


GravatarThanks Echidne and Pie, we'll know more next week. For now she's on a Holt monitor and has a Thalium stress test coming up soon. I hope they can come up with a good treatment plan for her

What's the matter with her?

She had a heart attack.


GravatarSigh - yeah the new season won't start in the UK till January I think.
JeffCO | 09.29.07 - 5:50 pm | #


yeah, early 2008

looks pretty cool, they have a guest appearance from James Masters (Spike from Buffy and Angel)


GravatarMy regular snooty coffeeshop order: a chocolate soy chai.
JeffCO


Mayhap I'll try that. I try to get soy into my diet, but the milk has been problematic.


Gravatarbarndog, i'm just funin' with you. i thought that would get your attention, heh.


GravatarShe had a heart attack.
The Jester


All good thoughts to you and your wife.

Hope she's better soon.


Gravatar"the new season won't start in the UK till January I think."

Something like that.

For a moment, I thought that BBC in the UK had started the second series.

I've been the connection for Torchwood, Doctor Who and The IT Crowd for a bunch of my non-broadband enabled friends.

Thank FSM that blank media is so damn inexpensive!


GravatarMerle Haggard sounds good about now...


Gravatarmy mother is a perfect example of this. one of the most accomplished black women in america, mensa member, beloved physician, etc. and she still will start crying after a nasty phone call from her mother telling her that her hair is ugly or suchlike. i hate grandma for ruining mom's sense of self esteem.
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:52 pm |


My maternal grandmother was like this, though not quite as bad. If I choose to, I can dredge up all sorts of memories of mom crying after talking to her mom.


Gravatarmy mum has suffered from eczema and kidney infections over her older sister's attitude towards her parents.


GravatarShe had a heart attack.
The Jester


Sending her and you good thoughts and calm and healing.


GravatarOr maybe that Dylan acoustic album Good As I Been To You...


GravatarOr maybe that Dylan acoustic album Good As I Been To You...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin


A wonderful semi-forgotten album.

Also the follow-up, "World Gone Wrong," which is much darker in tone.


Gravatarbuckeye- yup, but not for long. sis is on vacation (much deserved) in wine country, and i'm taking care of the nephew. he's wearing me out with demands for elmo and suchlike, but i did get a chance to see/do an ex last night, so there's that. i go home tuesday.


Gravatari hate grandma for ruining mom's sense of self esteem.
chicago dyke


Since she's Mr. QL's mom I always figured the best thing I could do for him is not start problems. Besides, she raised Mr. QL and his sister, my bestest friend. And sil is the one who is taking care of her now that she's got Alzheimers. Not my place at all. Besides, I never took all that seriously.


GravatarMy family has no bad mother-in-laws or father-in-laws or the equivalent. Everybody stays away from adult children's business. We have been very lucky, though it's probably not just luck but some work on the part of those who are so well behaved in this matter.


GravatarThank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?


Gravatarmy mum has excellent relations with her mother in law as does my dad with his


Gravatari thought that would get your attention, heh.


I was otherwise entertained with teh MSU-Wisconsin game.


GravatarThank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester


Very very quiet, last time I checked.


GravatarThank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #

I don't get it...


GravatarWas the piano player in Reefer Madness one of the Marx Brothers?


Gravatarmy mum's eldest sister, my Aunty B has a habit of meddling in her other sister's affairs

and she has this dependent relationship with her eldest daughter, who is all sweetness and light but has a nasty undercurrent, my Aunty B has pretty much supporter her 100% to the detriment of her other two children, both who are far more nicer than my cousin and her mum (Aunty B)


GravatarMy beau's mother died 7 years ago, so I won't have a mother-in-law problem.

He's going to meet mine next month. Fortunately my mother is pretty cool about most things.


GravatarAlso the follow-up, "World Gone Wrong," which is much darker in tone.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:56 pm | #

I like that one, better, but they're both good and very underrated...


GravatarAfternoon, peeps. Overdue movie review from last night:

The Wind that Shakes the Barley was incredibly good. The parallels to Iraq are clear but not overdone, the acting was fabulous, just an amazing film.


GravatarI like that one, better, but they're both good and very underrated...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 09.29.07 - 5:59 pm | #

Same with Tom Waits and his "Alice" album


GravatarWhenever we visit with our inlaws, my MIL acts like she likes me better than she does her husband. It irritates him no end, but it kind of serves him right for being such a knuckle-dragger. One of these days, he should try helping with the dishes.


GravatarThank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #

Don't forget Zeppo!


Gravataryes there is lots of rivalry and neuroses in my mother's family


GravatarTJ, outraged | 09.29.07 - 6:00 pm | #

Need to see me some more Ken Loach films...

I've only seen Riff-Raff, which I really liked...


GravatarHarpo
Chico
Groucho

Zeppo

Gummo

Bilbo
Frodo

.
.
...


Gravatarmy father's side is very down to earth in comparasion heh


Gravatarbuckeye- yup, but not for long. sis is on vacation (much deserved) in wine country, and i'm taking care of the nephew. he's wearing me out with demands for elmo and suchlike, but i did get a chance to see/do an ex last night, so there's that. i go home tuesday.
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:56 pm


northern Ohio and Southern Ohio are two different animals. I lived in suburan Cleveland (painesville) in the 1980's. If I have to stay in Ohio, I'd go back to Cleveland. I miss Fall on the Lake.


GravatarI like that one, better, but they're both good and very underrated...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin


Yes, when Dylan's writing muse dried up finally in the late 80s-early 90s, he turned back to his folk roots. Revitalized him and he's been pumping out good work since at an age when most are happily contemplating retirement.


GravatarMoonbotica... was that rivalries about nouroses?


Gravatar"Thank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #

Don't forget Zeppo!
"

And then there's Alleppo, the Brother they don't talk about.


GravatarHarpo
Chico
Groucho

Zeppo

Gummo

Bilbo
Frodo

.
.
...
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:01 pm | #

dildo?


GravatarHas Hecate been around? Just saw this in our local paper, and thought she'd be interested:

http://www.newsobserver.com/138/...ory/ 716434.html

Apparently, Wal-Mart is now selling t-shirts that say "Some say it's stalking, I call it love." As the columnist put it,

What's next?

"Some say it's rape, I call it hot sex"? Or: "Some call it domestic violence, I say I'm just teaching her a lesson"?


GravatarGummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:01 pm | #

Voice changes, too:

"eeeeeeee"

to the "Kermit the Frog Years"

to "Nose as a Kazoo era"


GravatarHere's what some kids in Boulder were doing this week:

Boulder students protest "God" in Pledge

About 100 students at Boulder High School walked out after their first class this morning, to recite an alternative Pledge of Allegiance, in protest.

They object to hearing the phrase "one nation, under God" during the morning Pledge recitation, led over the school's public address system.

'We don't object to pledging to our country, but we do object to pledging to a religion," said Ashley Guesman, 17, a protest organizer.


GravatarGummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:01 pm | #

Those albums really renewed him. The next 3 studio albums, Time Out of Mind, Love and Theft, and Modern Times are all brilliant.


GravatarNobuaki Kinjo was 16 when he murdered his mother, six-year-old brother and four-year-old sister. Then he went looking for Americans to kill. "We went insane," he told a court recently. "We were told by the soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army that we should commit suicide rather than be captured."

More than six decades after those horrific events, Mr Kinjo is fighting another war against government censorship. Now a 78-year-old Baptist missionary, he will be one of about 50,000 people marching today in the tiny Pacific island of Okinawa, whose population has been angered by plans to censor school textbooks.

Mr Kinjo's experience, and others like it, is woven into the history of Okinawa, the scene of one of the bloodiest battles of the Second World War. Locals still remember receiving grenades – known as gifts of love from the Emperor – to save bullets in mass suicides. But this year, Tokyo in effect declared that such events never took place.


http://news.independent.co.uk/ wo...icle3010188.ece


GravatarI've only seen Riff-Raff, which I really liked...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin


I highly recommend both Land and Freedom, about the Spanish Civil War, and Sweet Sixteen. Both excellent. He doesn't spare any punches.


GravatarSCHIP owls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


GravatarDon't forget Billo.

He's the one who won't shut the fuck up.


GravatarVoice changes, too:

"eeeeeeee"

to the "Kermit the Frog Years"

to "Nose as a Kazoo era"
Gilly Gonzylon


When I saw him about a year ago, his voice was so bad on the first couple of songs, I thought we were in for a really long night.

But after that he warmed up real fast and by the end of the show he sang Nettie Moore so softly and sweetly, I couldn't believe it.


GravatarApparently, Wal-Mart is now selling t-shirts that say "Some say it's stalking, I call it love." As the columnist put it,

What's next?

"Some say it's rape, I call it hot sex"? Or: "Some call it domestic violence, I say I'm just teaching her a lesson"?
TJ, outraged



Wait a minute...Was it not WalMart who pulled a t-shirt a couple of years ago?

A t-shirt that said "Someday A Woman Will Be President."


GravatarRe In-laws - When my in-laws told us they wanted to spend more time with us, I immediately rounded up all my sub-contractors and had them convert half of our oversized detached garage into a five star guest house. Also put them in a private side gate with their own key that matched the guest house.

Now they only come in the house for less than an hour a day, and I lock the back door from 8p-10a. We still go to lunch every day, and usually go to the mall a couple hours in the afternoon. It's like having guest, without having them underfoot. Best investment I ever made.


GravatarGummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #

I've seen him 4 times, better each time...


GravatarMy beau grew up in East Germany, and managed to get out when he met and fell in love with a Munich girl, by way of marriage.
However, when he told his parents that they had decided to wed, his mother basically disowned him, and his father's only comment to her action was "that's bitter." They were estranged for years.


GravatarNettie Moore so softly and sweetly, I couldn't believe it.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #

That's one of my favorites songs off of Modern Times....


GravatarI like Dylan's cover of Sittin' on Top of the World....


GravatarIs Zeppo the one that's the grandfather of the notorious punker Barfo?


GravatarSheets........


GravatarIs Zeppo the one that's the grandfather of the notorious punker Barfo?
bo, Hairballacious


IMHO, the best looking of the Marx Brothers.

My personal favorite was Harpo.


Gravatarnorthern Ohio and Southern Ohio are two different animals. I lived in suburan Cleveland (painesville) in the 1980's. If I have to stay in Ohio, I'd go back to Cleveland. I miss Fall on the Lake.

I grew up in Southern Ohio (Athens) and live in Northern Ohio now (Eastlake). I couldn't agree more that there is a huge difference between the two. Much of it goes way, way, back to the early settlement of the state. Northern Ohio was settled by the Connecticut Land Company who called the area the Western Reserve (hence Case Western Reserve University) while the Southern parts of the state was settled by Virginians who brought their southern ways with them.

The tension between Northern Ohio and Southern Ohio was probably best exhibited during the Civil War when southern sympathizers in the counties (called "Copperheads") personified by such colorful figures like Clement Valandingham battled with the pro-abolitionists in the North. Valandingham wound up getting tossed in prison for the duration of the war.

You can see the signs of the division today. What other state can you think of that will send a complete conservative ho-bag like Jean Schmidt to congress at the same time that is sends progressives like Dennis Kucinich, Sherrod Brown and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones?


Gravatarin my youth I was once told that honor was substantially inherent in the cascading light of life in the monastery. consequently, my intentions towards those who impugned the character of those who refused to adhere to the principles of rationed, reasoned discourse remained fixed on the consequences of a strict interpretation of the laws and bylaws laid down by our forbearer. subsequent attempts to further refine the practices favored by the few who clung to the notion of 'straightforwardness' or 'earnestness' was met with a sort of obsequious insistence that further intimations of obsolescence, would not only be rejected, but would be seen as anathema to most adherents. hence my post.


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