oh my - Iran's parliament has approved a nonbinding resolution to label the CIA and the US army as "terrorist organisations".
The move is seen as a diplomatic tit-for-tat after the US senate also voted in favour of a motion urging the state department to designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a "terrorist organisation."
The signing of the resolution by 215 politicians at an open session of the Iranian parliament was broadcast live on television on Saturday.
The statement said: "The aggressor US army and the Central Intelligence Agency are terrorists and also nurture terror."
Mets are kinda collapsing, no?
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A salt lick is a salt deposit that animals regularly lick. In an ecosystem, salt/mineral licks sometimes occur naturally, providing the sodium, calcium, iron, phosphorus and zinc required in the springtime for bone, muscle and other growth in deer and other wildlife. Harsh weather exposes salty mineral deposits that draw animals from miles away for a taste of needed nutrients. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_lick
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Topps said it was recalling 21.7 million pounds of ground beef products distributed to retail grocery stores and food service institutions throughout the United States, up from the 332,000 pounds it recalled on Tuesday
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Well, fuck me. I always wondered why I had an inexplicable compulsion to chug A-1 Steak Sauce when I was chewing that goddamn bubble gum.
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09.29.07 - 4:06 pm | #
Iran's parliament has approved a nonbinding resolution to label the CIA and the US army as "terrorist organisations".
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that is so awesome! I'd like to sign it too. Although it's treason to say betrayus to the army.
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09.29.07 - 4:06 pm | #
I could hardly get to anyone from my strikers’ contacts; I expect their phones are busy with incoming and outcoming calls… Then I finally managed to get to a Socialist activist who was at the factory… He confirmed the news… It’s a victory… the strikers accepted the settlement in a mass meeting, and left the factory around 5am…
Mabrouk for the Mahalla workers… Mabrouk for the brave men, women and children who solidly stood defiant in the face of govt pressures for a week… Thanks to all the activists and labor unionists around the world who sent in messages of support…
This is just the beginning ya shabab… I’m sure Mahalla has become a source of inspiration to all the textile workers, if not the entire Egyptian working class…
People use salt licks to attract or maintain wildlife, whether it be for viewing, photography or hunting purposes. Many companies now produce salt that includes all the trace minerals and is fairly inexpensive. It comes in either bagged or block form.
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09.29.07 - 4:08 pm | #
Burma!
What a horribly repressive place. What the GOPers have in mind for us.
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09.29.07 - 4:08 pm | #
A fucklick is a fuckwit deposit that trolls regularly lick.
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09.29.07 - 4:08 pm | #
In Norse mythology, before the creation of the world, it was the divine cow Audhumla who, through her licking of the cosmic salt ice, gave form to Buri, ancestor of the gods and grandfather of Odin. On the first day as Audhumla licked, Buri's hair appeared from the ice, on the second day his head and on the third his body
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09.29.07 - 4:09 pm | #
chicago dyke: JP- i thought that after a certian point, haloscan comments went away. it could've changed and i missed it, but the gannon revelations were quite some time ago, so i'd expect the comments to be gone by now.
I think they stick around for a couple of years, or more, now.
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09.29.07 - 4:10 pm | #
It is not terrorism when you level a city with bombs purchased from the Carlyle Group. It is collateral damage.
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09.29.07 - 4:11 pm | #
Workers at Egypt's largest textile factory have ended a week-long strike after the government agreed to their demands, the strike committee said in a statement.
Workers at the Misr Spinning and Weaving Company in Mahalla el-Kubra, north of Cairo, said the government had agreed to grant them additional bonuses, and negotiate over further rises.
"After the rise in Arab, local and international solidarity with the workers of Ghazl el-Mahalla, the workers were victorious in negotiations," said the statement on Saturday.
The strike began after workers were paid 20 days in bonuses instead of the 150 they said they were entitled to.
Thousands of workers staged a six-day sit in at the factory, which employs 27,000 people and exports textiles all over the world.
Factory managers said the strike cost them millions of dollars a day.
The strikers had demanded better working conditions, increased benefits and higher wages, with some receiving as little as $44 a month.
This is an all-american chat room.
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09.29.07 - 4:15 pm | #
There's a program about JRR Tolkien on Ovation now, if anyone is interested.
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09.29.07 - 4:15 pm | #
Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia's president, has defended the arrest of a former minister who had accused him of plotting murder, as opponents vowed to continue protests that have drawn thousands to the streets.
"Okruashvili's allegations are false and he knows it very well," Saakashvili said in televised remarks after interrupting a foreign trip to return to the capital Tbilisi.
He said: "Georgia, unlike many other places, enjoys freedom of the press. Everyone can say whatever they want and as much as they want. But you cannot blackmail people who have a clear conscience."
Okruashvili's supporters accuse the president of trying to silence a potential rival and said the arrest undermined Saakashvili's credentials as a democratic reformer.
In a clear reference to tensions with Moscow, Saakashvili also said that "ill-wishers" were seeking to sow chaos in Georgia.
I don't really know, but it seems to me that the Burmese junta would be a lot richer junta, as juntas go, if they'd just buy into that whole Asian economic miracles shit, through open their borders for multi-nationals looking for cheap labour, continue to oppress the people as they have been, and spew out a bunch of nonsense about "globalization" and "free trade" and such. Then Bushie and company would be cheering them on, and concerened white people would be talking about microloans and nongovernment orgs, instead ragging on the. I mean, seems to me.
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09.29.07 - 4:16 pm | #
There's lots of shit over Pax, bitches, including a podcast on Myanmar. No penguins were involved.
Your link sucks, and there should be a warning on podcasts if they involve Frankie Goes to Hollywood.
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09.29.07 - 4:16 pm | #
Your link sucks, and there should be a warning on podcasts if they involve Frankie Goes to Hollywood.
The Kenosha Kid
a killfile is a location where the inane are sequestered so their posts don't annoy people.
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09.29.07 - 4:17 pm | #
Cook! Cook! Where is my pfefferneuse?!
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The French government and France's largest company, Total, were struggling yesterday to contain growing criticism of the oil company's record in Burma.
Total and the French government have rejected pleas from Burmese opposition and French trades unions and human rights group for the oil giant to suspend its activities in the Yadana gas field in southern Burma.
Critics point out Total is the largest economic operator in Burma and a significant conduit of cash to the military regime. Several human rights groups have accused Total of making use of forced or child labour – something the oil company angrily rejects.
Paris, and the company, argue that Total's presence is, on the whole, a force for good. Withdrawal would allow carte blanche for Chinese or other companies which would be "less respectful of ethical issues".
"Our departure would threaten a worsening of the situation for the (Burmese) population," Total said ina communiqué.
Jeez, the Young Republicans must be having some toe-tappin' fun!!
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09.29.07 - 4:19 pm | #
Meanwhile next door to Burma - Government efforts to resolve the ongoing violence in Thailand's four southern provinces of Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat and Songkhla - which has claimed the lives of 2,400 people since January 2004 - continue to emphasize a three-pronged strategy of reconciliation, improving socioeconomic conditions, and counterinsurgency operations.
Over the past three months, the counterinsurgency element has been the most pronounced, resulting in the detention of nearly 2,000 suspected separatists. At the same time, Malay Muslim militants continue to achieve success in their campaign to polarize society and destroy the governmental and economic system of the deep south.
Moe: you raise an interesting question. It's not infrequent that people, corporations, even nations act against their own economic interests. Take, as another example, the failure of American business to furiously militate in favor of national health insurance, or consider the vast amount of money that could be at play in research, infrastructure and so on in pursuit of environmental remediation and effective response to global warming.
Seems to me that power, as much as economic benefit, is often at play, can be a separate consideration, and often trumps even the profit motive. And fear of change, which might lead to shifts in power, is also in play to an extent that can't be accounted for solely by economic considerations.
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09.29.07 - 4:21 pm | #
If they're Malays, why don't the Thais just send them back to Malaysia?
Maybe the Thai businesses like the cheap Malay labor.
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 4:21 pm | #
I guess I have to go drinking, so this was a drive-by. Later.
Moe Szyslak |
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09.29.07 - 4:21 pm | #
Trying to work and keep up here is hopeless.
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09.29.07 - 4:23 pm | #
Wombat, big corps and the Repukes act against their own - and the world's - best interests because they are FUCKING INSANE!!
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09.29.07 - 4:23 pm | #
Seems to me that power, as much as economic benefit, is often at play, can be a separate consideration, and often trumps even the profit motive. And fear of change, which might lead to shifts in power, is also in play to an extent that can't be accounted for solely by economic considerations.
Yup. Different people are motivated by different things at different times. I never understood the winger belief that profit motive was the purest thing in the universe, nor do I understand liberals complaining that many GOP supporters vote against their own economic interests. There's way more to life and humanity.
I have to convince myself of that sometimes, given my own recent choices of late...
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09.29.07 - 4:24 pm | #
Trying to drink and keep up here is hopeless.
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09.29.07 - 4:24 pm | #
Moe Szyslak: I guess I have to go drinking, so this was a drive-by. Later.
Ooh, capital idea! I'll put that off until after I have found 3x new jeans, and some other goodies from the Target, though.
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09.29.07 - 4:24 pm | #
What an unfortunate acronyn...
International Conference on
Engineering Professional Ethics & Education 2008
(ICEPEE’0 http://www.iiu.edu.my/icepee/
Richard |
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09.29.07 - 4:25 pm | #
Taking a break from home improvement projects.
We've got too many box elder bugs, dammit.
And bees. Went to install a new outdoor light and found a nice nest inside the the mounting.
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09.29.07 - 4:25 pm | #
Gordon Brown's council of war to consider a snap autumn election was given an extra twist yesterday as it emerged that consumer confidence had been badly dented by the run on the Northern Rock bank.
Despite Labour's recent strong showing in the polls, the extent of the prime minister's gamble in calling a late October or early November poll was underlined by the news that the financial turmoil of the past two months - culminating in the Bank of England lifeline to Northern Rock - has left the public markedly more concerned about the health of the economy.
The only thing the Repukes are motivated is brute force, since they use it everyone else.
I find that shouting at them at the top of your lungs usually gets their attention.
Reasoning doesn't work with Repukes, as they are barely sentient lower life forms.
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09.29.07 - 4:26 pm | #
damnit
Good podcast NTodd. You're really coming along and finding your voice.
(I don't like the music selections, but that's just me and don't pay it any mind as I'm an old fart. Now get offa my lawn)
ql-was in NY | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:16 pm | #
The night that Incog's cat was sexed....
GWPDA
That gets my vote. I was home and had a couple glasses of wine most of which wound up on the monitor.
For the Jimmy/Jeff I was attached to the borg and could only dip in every now and again.
ql-was in NY | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:22 pm | #
ql-was in NY |
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09.29.07 - 4:26 pm | #
If they're Malays, why don't the Thais just send them back to Malaysia?
I think they are ethnic Malays who are Thai citizens. Part of Thailand extends down onto the Malay Penninsula.
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09.29.07 - 4:26 pm | #
The new ballpark in Philly looks nice...
bill buckner |
09.29.07 - 4:28 pm | #
Bizz kits in de o ven.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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09.29.07 - 4:28 pm | #
Preznit giv me turkee was the funniest thang, EVAR.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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09.29.07 - 4:29 pm | #
Well don't tell Lou Dobbs, or he will be ranting about those Malays sneaking into Thailand.
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 4:29 pm | #
Tom3: it's not just insanity. That's too easy. But it's well to keep in mind the limitations of economic reasoning arising from mankind's persistent failure to behave rationally...
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09.29.07 - 4:29 pm | #
Thousands of demonstrators planning to march on Parliament to call for the withdrawal of troops from Afrghanistan and Iraq have been told that their protest has been banned.
The Metropolitan Police told organisers of the Stop the War Coalition that no march would now be allowed “within one mile of Parliament” while MPs were in session.
The organisers, who are expecting thousands of people to turn up for the protest march from Trafalgar Square to Parliament Square, said that this was a “totally different” interpretation of the regulations, and accused Gordon Brown of reneging on a pledge to liberalise the laws on demonstrations.
“One moment the Prime Minister is supporting the right of Burmese monks to demonstrate in Rangoon, and yet here in London we’re being stopped from marching on Parliament. It’s hypocrisy,” Lindsey German, convener of the Stop the War Coalition, said.
You want more ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood?
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn |
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09.29.07 - 4:30 pm | #
Maybe the Thai businesses like the cheap Malay labor.
One international figure could speak credibly to Malays: Jimmy Carter.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 4:30 pm | #
The new ballpark in Philly looks nice...
*sigh*
I've got to wait a few years until this guy opens up.
Zap Rowsdower |
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09.29.07 - 4:30 pm | #
That band should be called Frankie Goes To San Francisco
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 4:31 pm | #
Well, I have to confess being pretty irritated with NPR this afternoon. They're having some kind of Oxford-style debate on the question "Is spreading democracy in the Middle East a good idea?". And now I'm getting to hear Dick Cheney's daughter, of all people, flogging it. Of all the tendentious ways to frame the issue, this would have to be the most scurrilous.
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09.29.07 - 4:31 pm | #
Reconstruction work will begin next month on a revered shrine in the Iraqi city of Samarra blown up in the current conflict, UN cultural body Unesco says.
The al-Askari shrine, one of Iraq's most sacred Shia sites, was partly destroyed in two attacks over two years by suspected Sunni militants.
Thousands have died in sectarian violence triggered by the first attack.
The rebuilding work will be carried out by a Turkish company, and is being funded mostly by the EU and Unesco.
Officials said the work would begin after the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which ends in the middle of October.
The project is expected to cost $16m (£7.9m), of which $8m will come from the EU, $5m from Unesco and $3m from the Iraqi government.
Safe. You can trust me.
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09.29.07 - 4:37 pm | #
I love ABBA -Moonbootica
Does your mother know?
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 4:38 pm | #
Take, as another example, the failure of American business to furiously militate in favor of national health insurance, or consider the vast amount of money that could be at play in research, infrastructure and so on in pursuit of environmental remediation and effective response to global warming.
Doc, the above is perplexing until you consider that American business, since the adevent of stock options for the top management of these same American businesses.
Businesses are run to curry favor with Wall Street so that the stocks are recommended by WS and the price goes up, enriching the execs.
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09.29.07 - 4:38 pm | #
You want more ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood?
NTodd
Good lord, what part of old fart don't you understand. Dylan, Joplin, even Credance Clearwater. Ask Simels.
ql-was in NY |
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09.29.07 - 4:38 pm | #
The whole reason I miss albums.
My parents don't play them anymore, so they've bequeathed their entire vinyl collection to me. Sadly, I do not have a working turntable at this time. I'm just itching to spin Bellafonte at Carnegie Hall.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:38 pm | #
Youtube has that "what people are watching now" thing on it's homepage, judging from which that britneyfan thing is their most-watched video
me, I'm on an Emmylou Harris binge. I think she's in love with me.
if you click on the link to Simian Mobile Disco's website, they have a You Tube vid of a performance from Philly
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 4:40 pm | #
Lucinda Williams for me. That voice is pure sex.
geor3ge
Heh. My brother told his wife that if Lucinda or Emmylou calls, he's outta there.
Jim |
09.29.07 - 4:41 pm | #
me, I'm on an Emmylou Harris binge.
If you don't love Emmylou, the terraists have already won!
bill buckner |
09.29.07 - 4:41 pm | #
Madonna's Evita. I'd vote her into the HOF for that performance alone.
catalexis
Not if you saw Patty LaPone on Broadway. And as pretty as Bandaras is to look at, he has nothing on Mandy Patankin, who can you know, sing.
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09.29.07 - 4:41 pm | #
My parents don't play them anymore, so they've bequeathed their entire vinyl collection to me. Sadly, I do not have a working turntable at this time. I'm just itching to spin Bellafonte at Carnegie Hall.
geor3ge
It wasn't Herb's music I was missing.
me, I'm on an Emmylou Harris binge. I think she's in love with me.
Lucinda Williams for me. That voice is pure sex.
geor3ge
I remain faithful to Judy Collins. First loves are the ones you never get over.
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09.29.07 - 4:41 pm | #
elmo is the tired nanny's best friend.
and JP- you're right, the comments are still there. except i can't remember which thread it was. the date john at americablog outed gannon was 2/14/05, so it's got to be one or another of those threads that day or close to it.
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09.29.07 - 4:42 pm | #
Patinkin is entertaining, but I love Forbidden Broadway's sendup of his rather over-the-top stylings. "Somewhat Overindulgent" to the tune of "Over the Rainbow".
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:42 pm | #
Madonna's Evita. I'd vote her into the HOF for that performance alone.
catalexis
Not if you saw Patty LaPone on Broadway.
After Madonna's movie version came out, that year's Tony awards opened with Miss LuPone coming out and singing the everlovin' crap out of Don't Cry For Me Argentina. By about ten seconds in, any sane person was saying Madonna Who?
Her way of saying, Take that! you presumptuous whippersnapper!
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09.29.07 - 4:42 pm | #
I remain faithful to Judy Collins. First loves are the ones you never get over.
Rmj, Ecce Homo
Oh, Judy is a force of nature.
And I figured it wasn't Herb's music, but I had to get that out there.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:43 pm | #
Good lord, what part of old fart don't you understand. Dylan, Joplin, even Credance Clearwater. Ask Simels.
Jeebus, I play fricking CSN&Y and stuff, too!
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09.29.07 - 4:43 pm | #
Good lord, what part of old fart don't you understand. Dylan, Joplin, even Credance Clearwater. Ask Simels.
Jeebus, I play fricking CSN&Y and stuff, too!
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn
Just washed a load of dishes to The Beatles at the Beeb.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 4:44 pm | #
MAndy Patinkin was great in Princess Bride. But then everybody was great in it
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 4:44 pm | #
my current playlist
The KLF - What Time Is Love? (12" version)
Salt-N-Pepa ft. En Vogue - Watta Man
Salt-N-Pepa - Shoop
Echo and the Bunymen - The Cutter
The Blind Boys of Alabama - Way Down In The Hole
MC5 - Kick Out The Jams
Armand Van Helden - I Want Your Soul
The Klaxons - Gravity's Rainbow (Van She Mix)
Simian Mobile Disco - Hot Dog
Axwell ft. Charles Salter - I Found You
Echno and the Bunnymen -The Killing Moon
Cansei de Ser Sexy - Lets Make Love and Listen Death From Above
The Velvet Underground - Venus in Furs
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
Dishes, yes dishes. I can do a few of those before getting to work on that grant proposal....
blerb |
09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
Just washed a load of dishes to The Beatles at the Beeb.
Gummo
You want old school? I just brought a load of Paul Hillier and Theatre of Voices to keep me company at the office.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
This just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
You old people today, I tell ya. Back in my day, old people were cool and liked all kinds of music...
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09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
Very likely true. But the chances of my ever getting to see anything on Broadway are exceedingly slim. I love live theater, but one's audience is much much smaller.
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
This just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
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I'll second that
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
MAndy Patinkin was great in Princess Bride. But then everybody was great in it
Tom3
I miss Andre the Giant.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
I just brought a load of Paul Hillier and Theatre of Voices to keep me company at the office.
geor3ge | 09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
They did a recording of John Cage's Litany for the Whale...did you ever hear that one?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 4:46 pm | #
Echno and the Bunnymen -The Killing Moon
Top 20 on Zap's all-time list.
Zap Rowsdower |
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09.29.07 - 4:46 pm | #
I miss Andre the Giant.
geor3ge | 09.29.07 - 4:45 pm | #
No steroids in that man...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 4:46 pm | #
They did a recording of John Cage's Litany for the Whale...did you ever hear that one?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I haven't.
Heh, I once performed 4'33' as an "encore".
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:47 pm | #
and the rest
Girls Aloud - Sexy! No No
Supergrass - Alright
Eve - Tambourine
Scissor Sisters - Kiss You Off
Pet Shop Boys - Its A Sin
Kasier Chiefs - The Angry Mob
Blondie - Call Me
The Hives - Hate To Say I Told You So
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geor3ge | 09.29.07 - 4:47 pm | #
Brittney Spears should cover 4'33. It would be her best song ever.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
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This just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
JeffCO
Oh, there's one or two collections around here of recent vintage -- Amy Winehouse, Outkast, lots & lots of White Stripes, Gorillaz.
But you never get over your first loves....
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09.29.07 - 4:47 pm | #
This just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
/sips coffee, reads again, does spit take
Zap Rowsdower |
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09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #
I miss Andre the Giant.
How can you miss him? His grave is the size of the Great Wall...
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn |
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09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #
Moonie, you have wonderfully eclectic tastes.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #
I like when they're turned that great 90s song "You're Unbelievable" into the Betty Cricker commercial - "You're Crumbelievable"
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #
The openers for the New Pornographers show earlier this week: The Awkward Stage and Lavender Diamond. Fun both.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #
I hearby concede I don't know a tenth of what y'all do about music. I'll just go sit down over there.
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #
"I think he's on the verge of having a breakdown," says Kitman. "I think he needs psychiatric help."
"Having a conversation with O'Reilly is like trying to take a drink of water from an open fire hydrant." --Marvin Kitman, September 25, 2007
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09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #
This just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
JeffCO
For some reason no one clicks my links.....
pfefferneusse cooling, chicken korma in the fridge to be de-greased.
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09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #
Good lord, what part of old fart don't you understand. Dylan, Joplin, even Credance Clearwater. Ask Simels.
Jeebus, I play fricking CSN&Y and stuff, too!
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn
Just washed a load of dishes to The Beatles at the Beeb.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:44 pm | #
i was just listening to pink.
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
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09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #
Brittney Spears should cover 4'33. It would be her best song ever.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Frank Zappa recorded it on an out-of-print Cage tribute.
There's actually a published score. One page. Three movements, all "Tacet". And the retail price? $4.33, of course.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #
So Newt couldn't give up the loot, eh?
And, yes, there was a little matter of his marital misbehavior.
pie |
09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #
This just in: musicians have continued to be born and create quality music that even old farts might enjoy.
NTodd's Pa got into groups like REM when I was in school. Now he really likes Shakira, for reasons obscure to me (heh). And I got him into Gnarls Barkley and Disturbed...
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09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #
But you never get over your first loves....
I finally had to accept I was not going to have Nancy Wilson's baby.
JeffCO |
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geor3ge | 09.29.07 - 4:49 pm | #
Zappa used to stop playing at times during his early concerts until everything got really uncomfortable...
Then he would grab the mike and say "it brings out the hostilities in you, doesn't it?"...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 4:50 pm | #
the killing moon still makes me cry when i hear it.
about music and being an old fart- i've got all this stuff i used to absolutely lurv, rock and metal and whatnot, and i never listen to it anymore. my opinion about jazz and classical music has also evolved over the years. i don't think i'll ever give up electronica/ambient, not as long as i can dance, but i totally understand why someone could feel that "today's music" doesn't speak to them. most of the mainstream "rock" and "hip hop" stuff i hear that's new right now sux, imho.
ntodd, you're in big trouble. nephew is refusing to wear pants, and i know who to blame for that.
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09.29.07 - 4:50 pm | #
Trying to work and keep up here is hopeless.
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everybody's waiting for the weekend ...
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"Having a conversation with O'Reilly is like trying to take a drink of water from an open fire hydrant." --Marvin Kitman, September 25, 2007
Tom3 | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 4:48 pm | #
You mean toilet, Marvin.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi |
09.29.07 - 4:51 pm | #
ntodd, you're in big trouble. nephew is refusing to wear pants, and i know who to blame for that.
NTodd is reapidly approaching Clenis™ territory in the blame game.
pie |
09.29.07 - 4:52 pm | #
Shakira would be good even if she wasn't jaw-droppingly hot.
But it's nice to have both.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 4:52 pm | #
I'm listening to the Finnish Worms right now. here.
Echidne |
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09.29.07 - 4:53 pm | #
must clean house.....I'm gonna do it, though it hurts...i'm gone till after sundown.
catalexis who ♥ Al Gore |
09.29.07 - 4:53 pm | #
I hearby concede I don't know a tenth of what y'all do about music. I'll just go sit down over there. catalexis
You don't need to know much about music to know what you like.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 4:53 pm | #
NTodd is reapidly approaching Clenis™ territory in the blame game.
pie
The next plateau is the simels level of regrets.
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09.29.07 - 4:53 pm | #
most of the mainstream "rock" and "hip hop" stuff i hear that's new right now sux, imho.
that's always been the case.
all the "great old music" is just the stuff that was good enough to survive.
lots of great music is still being made, some of it even makes it into the mainstream.
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09.29.07 - 4:53 pm | #
most of the mainstream "rock" and "hip hop" stuff i hear that's new right now sux, imho.
Seems to be that 99% of everything is crap, in every era. Just takes some time for the real quality to stand out.
Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven weren't the only composers of the high Viennese period, but you don't hear much of their contemporaries anymore. (Johann Nepomuk Who?)
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:53 pm | #
I am getting old.
Rmj, Ecce Homo |
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09.29.07 - 4:54 pm | #
my hairdresser asked me to put together a Data CD of any latest music I've downloaded or am into for him to upload to his Ipod which he plays in his salon
apparently he thinks I'm some sort of music nerd or something
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09.29.07 - 4:54 pm | #
Challengers has really grown on me (not that I didn't think it wouldn't).
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09.29.07 - 4:55 pm | #
This just in: great music was written in the 13th centuries that even crazed whippernsappers can learn to appreciate.
Hence, the Paul Hillier on my player.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:55 pm | #
Shakira would be good even if she wasn't jaw-droppingly hot.
She is indeed both.
Actually, NTodd's Pa and Wife started taking Spanish because of Shakira...
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09.29.07 - 4:55 pm | #
my hairdresser asked me to put together a Data CD of any latest music I've downloaded or am into for him to upload to his Ipod which he plays in his salon
I'm going to guess that Celtic Frost is *right* out.
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09.29.07 - 4:56 pm | #
Watching Ken Burns's The War--just heard the statistic that only 139 cars were made in Detroit for the duration of the war, and about Ford's Willow Run plant turning out a B4 bomber every 63 minutes. Wow.
And I wondered what I've often wondered about this nation: Once a country outsources most of its manufacturing, how can it handle a major catastrophe? Supposedly no one will ever challenge our right to import whatever we want and need. But...what if that "right" is challenged?
Also, in the earlier part about the early war in the Pacific, the comments by soldiers about MacArthur were pretty stunning. Burns said that he was stunned by the comments of regular soldiers about MacArthur's poor strategy and tactics early on.
Guess he learned--or managed to outlive his mistakes...until the Truman dustup.
jawbone |
09.29.07 - 4:56 pm | #
I've been growing fond of Regina Spektor lately. Great pianist, quirky but catchy tunes, cute as a button.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 4:56 pm | #
Actually, NTodd's Pa and Wife started taking Spanish because of Shakira...
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn
Sadly, I understand her back is really messed up after all the gyrating on her world tour after the first album.
I'm sure we have plenty of chivalrous young men right here on this board who'd gladly massage her sore spots...
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09.29.07 - 4:56 pm | #
Damn kids these days.
They got no hair. They all look like goddamn Dick Cheney.
Mandy does a rendition of "Buddy Can You Spare a Dime" that may be over the top but is haunting nonetheless.
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09.29.07 - 4:57 pm | #
This just in: great music was written in the 13th centuries that even crazed whippernsappers can learn to appreciate.
How many 13th centuries have there been?
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 4:57 pm | #
And I wondered what I've often wondered about this nation: Once a country outsources most of its manufacturing, how can it handle a major catastrophe? Supposedly no one will ever challenge our right to import whatever we want and need. But...what if that "right" is challenged?
We ramped up and out produced the German war machine, despite their considerable head start.
Simply amazing.
Could we do it today? Why do I doubt it? OTOH, when are we gonna face another German war machine, or its equivalent?
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09.29.07 - 4:58 pm | #
Mandy does a rendition of "Buddy Can You Spare a Dime" that may be over the top but is haunting nonetheless.
ql-was in NY
I really want to get an early Bing Crosby collection, just for his performance of that song.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 4:58 pm | #
How many 13th centuries have there been?
JeffCO
Um... so far I've got 5 and still counting.
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09.29.07 - 4:58 pm | #
there seems to be a profusion of female artists now. or maybe just a handful.
pink, kt, shakira, amy winehouse, and of course christina aguilera.
no shortage of good fresh music.
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
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09.29.07 - 4:58 pm | #
Burns said that he was stunned by the comments of regular soldiers about MacArthur's poor strategy and tactics early on.
jawbone | 09.29.07 - 4:56 pm | #
The media perpetuate the myth that soldiers accept orders without thinking or ever talking about them, which is absolute bullshit.
It's just like any other job. The boss is an idiot, and the underlings have to put up with his/her shit, except soldiers have a lot more on the line...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 4:58 pm | #
Neither does his cousin...
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn
Phillip?
Jim
Yup.
This just in: great music was written in the 13th centuries that even crazed whippernsappers can learn to appreciate.
Oddly, I listen to that shit, too. Monks to Mozart to Moody Blues to Metallica. I pretty much like anything.
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09.29.07 - 4:59 pm | #
The Pope still thinks its the 13th century and hes infallible, so keep counting.
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 5:00 pm | #
And this is my anger listening: There Must Be Some Limits. Here.
Echidne |
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09.29.07 - 5:00 pm | #
Another example of people working against their economic interest in the name of self interest are the collection agents. Coercion in many cases is the worst thing these people can do. The only chance they possibly have to collect anything is to be nice.
ape |
09.29.07 - 5:00 pm | #
this is the second data cd he has asked me to do, he loved my last one
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09.29.07 - 5:00 pm | #
I really want to get an early Bing Crosby collection, just for his performance of that song.
Gummo
I somehow acquired a Bing Christmas album put out during WWII. Pure 40's schmaltz, but so much better than the manufactured kind after the war, when we knew we'd won.
This was the "not sure but we'll remain hopeful" sentiment of the war itself. Beautiful stuff. A radio broadcast, so it wasn't manufactured for the studio. Nice time capsule.
Rmj, Ecce Homo |
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09.29.07 - 5:00 pm | #
The Pope still thinks its the 13th century and hes infallible, so keep counting.
Tom3
But the Pope wasn't officially infallible until the 1870s.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:00 pm | #
as you can see by my playlist, i like a little bit of everything
past and present
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09.29.07 - 5:01 pm | #
As long as it starts with an "M".
Yup. MABBA, Mrankie Goes To Hollywood, The Meatles, Meethoven, Mob Dylan, Meter Gabriel, Mink Floyd, Mritney Spears...
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn |
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09.29.07 - 5:01 pm | #
Plum posted this one a few days ago. I thought it was great:
I kinda liked it, but seriously, dude, it sounds like the theme song to an Italian-made spy movie in 1968.
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09.29.07 - 5:01 pm | #
I somehow acquired a Bing Christmas album put out during WWII. Pure 40's schmaltz, but so much better than the manufactured kind after the war, when we knew we'd won.
I unabashedly love that stuff. A recent "Christmas With the Rat Pack" compilation is a current fave.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:02 pm | #
It's just like any other job. The boss is an idiot, and the underlings have to put up with his/her shit, except soldiers have a lot more on the line...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
When I finally learned what "SNAFU" and "FUBAR" meant, and then learned they came out of WWII, I gained a new appreciation for the "grunts," and a whole new perspective on the "good war" that we always knew we'd win.
Rmj, Ecce Homo |
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09.29.07 - 5:02 pm | #
The Meatles
Who could forget "Beat the Meatles"?
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:02 pm | #
my favorite artists include mozart, arlo, frankie armstrong, black sabbath (early stuff), zappa, and the gypsy kings. oh, and eddie rabbit.
just about any musical style as long as it is done well.
I somehow acquired a Bing Christmas album put out during WWII. Pure 40's schmaltz, but so much better than the manufactured kind after the war, when we knew we'd won.
This was the "not sure but we'll remain hopeful" sentiment of the war itself. Beautiful stuff. A radio broadcast, so it wasn't manufactured for the studio. Nice time capsule.
Rmj, Ecce Homo
Bing was an amazing singer, one of the first to master the "up close & intimate" style that worked so well with amplified microphones and the radio -- he may have been the first radio-made pop music star.
Before that, it was belters like Al Jolson because you had to be able to reach the back row of the theater with lung power alone.;
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:03 pm | #
two.
one of each.
dirk gently
AUC
BCE
CE
Jewish (sorry, forgot name)
Hijrah
Now, haven't worked east and mesoamerican yet....
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09.29.07 - 5:03 pm | #
The Kenny G kind does.
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09.29.07 - 5:03 pm | #
Part of the reason I'm so out of date is my kids liked mostly show music, so instead of listening to rock in the nineties I had to listen Evita, 1776, Phantom, Chicago, etc. Quite nice actually.
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09.29.07 - 5:03 pm | #
The most vile group are the collection agents for medical bills.
ape |
09.29.07 - 5:04 pm | #
A recent "Christmas With the Rat Pack" compilation is a current fave.
I love that cd. Played it a ton last Christmas.
pie |
09.29.07 - 5:04 pm | #
Heh, ran across this earlier: Top 10 songs to play loud after accidental exposure to Bill O'Reilly.
I'd have put MC-5's "Kick Out the Jams" on that...
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09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
The most vile group are the collection agents for medical bills.
ape
Jesus caught shit for dining with tax collectors. 'Twas ever thus, as Rmj says.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
Sadly, I understand her back is really messed up after all the gyrating on her world tour after the first album.
I worked with a strange Christian lady last summer who was very excited to go see Shakira at The Garden, as they were from the same country.
One night, one of the boys pointed out "I saw your girl Shakira on TV, and usually, when someone dances like that, they're about to take off their clothes."
This upset her, and she fled to the break room. Then came back and said "God is speaking through you, Ed. I will give away my tickets."
I henceforth referred to Ed as "The Deity."
bill buckner |
09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
You like jazz, you just don't know it.
ape |
09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
When I finally learned what "SNAFU" and "FUBAR" meant, and then learned they came out of WWII, I gained a new appreciation for the "grunts," and a whole new perspective on the "good war" that we always knew we'd win.
Rmj, Ecce Homo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:02 pm | #
It's being around alot of guys and their natural playfullness and high jinx. If the bullets don't kill you, I swear you'll die of laughter.
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09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
"the 13 Centuries" would be a great name for a show on ancient roman warfare.
or a band.
chicago dyke |
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09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
Holy cow - Colorado just whomped Oklahoma. There will be joy in the people's republic tonight.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:06 pm | #
You like jazz, you just don't know it.
ape | 09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
Anybody catch "Dr. Who" last night (very old for you, Moon. We don't start the new season here until the summer) with the "President Elect of the US"? A pompous ass who shoves the British PM aside, and when the aliens demand the "Master," allows as how he'll be their Master, God willing?
Oy, the image the Brits have of our political system....
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09.29.07 - 5:06 pm | #
the KLF (also known as The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu (The JAMs), The Timelords and other names; the acronym KLF has no "official" meaning but is sometimes interpreted as "Kopyright Liberation Front") were one of the seminal bands of the British acid house movement during the late 1980s and early 1990s
they famously fired machine gun blanks into the audience at the 1992 BRIT Awards and dumped a dead sheep at the aftershow party.
This performance announced The KLF's departure from the music business, and in May 1992 the duo deleted their entire back catalogue.
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 5:06 pm | #
*munch munch*
The pfefferneusse are ready.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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09.29.07 - 5:06 pm | #
I henceforth referred to Ed as "The Deity."
bill buckner | 09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
did you get the tickets?
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
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09.29.07 - 5:07 pm | #
I love that cd. Played it a ton last Christmas.
pie
Ella's Christmas album was remastered recently. Mel Torme did a splendid one in his last years.
Going back a couple centuries, Boston Camerata released "An American Christmas", replete with early colonial, folk tune, and shape-note stylings.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:07 pm | #
Party on Wayne!!
Party on Garth!!
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 5:07 pm | #
I unabashedly love that stuff. A recent "Christmas With the Rat Pack" compilation is a current fave.
Sinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b |
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09.29.07 - 5:07 pm | #
Beginning in 1987, Bill Drummond (alias King Boy D) and Jimmy Cauty (alias Rockman Rock) released hip hop-inspired and sample-heavy records as The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu, and on one occasion (the British number one hit single "Doctorin' the Tardis") as The Timelords. As The KLF, Drummond and Cauty pioneered the genres "stadium house" (rave music with a pop-rock production and sampled crowd noise) and "ambient house". The KLF released a series of international top-ten hits on their own KLF Communications record label, and became the biggest-selling singles act in the world for 1991. The duo also published a book, The Manual, and worked on a road movie called The White Room.
Oy, the image the Brits have of our political system....
Rmj, Ecce Homo
Yes, and yes. Was thinking the same thing. The last six years haven't helped much.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:08 pm | #
JR you might like this - KLF - America: What Time is Love
Moonbootica
it made the historian in me wince (yo, Canada is not America), but fun naetheless
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09.29.07 - 5:08 pm | #
I'm listening to Buddy Holly, drinking Early Grey tea, and bs'ing with you folks.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:08 pm | #
.jazz sucks.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Tilt!
Duke Ellington did not suck by any rasonable criterion. Nor did Charles Mingus, Thelonius Monk, Charlie Parker, or John Coltrane. You just can't really know that music and still say it sucks.
blerb |
09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #
Sinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b
Absolutely. And Wagner was as vicious anti-Semite, but I still love the Ring Cycle.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #
Iraqi Top, TN
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ever hear of jack maheu and the salt city six? he used to play at eddie condons.
he is sort of my brother in law.
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
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09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #
For ratpacky CD cover goodness, you can't beat Joey Heatherton.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #
You just can't really know that music and still say it sucks.
blerb | 09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #
Absolutely. And Wagner was as vicious anti-Semite, but I still love the Ring Cycle.
geor3ge | 09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #
there must be a correlation between very good music and the musician being bad motherfuckers
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09.29.07 - 5:10 pm | #
bill buckner
that's really funny.
and depressing. the christianoids are so foolish sometimes. i suppose she believes that all those wine parties jesus went to had no sexy dancing whatsoever. sigh.
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09.29.07 - 5:10 pm | #
did you get the tickets?
Not my thing. I like jazz.
bill buckner |
09.29.07 - 5:10 pm | #
I don't mind some jazz but a lot leaves me cold
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09.29.07 - 5:10 pm | #
ever hear of jack maheu and the salt city six? he used to play at eddie condons.
he is sort of my brother in law.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:09 pm | #
Nope. My ex brother in law is an emergency room doctor who regrets it and wishes he would have started a car restoration shop.
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 5:10 pm | #
wagner's music isn't as bad as it sounds.
-- sam clemens
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
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09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #
Sinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b
So is Chimpy. And try not to think of him climbing on Bar the Killer Whale.
Oh no, not again.
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #
Ever hear Fleetwood Mac's Earl Grey?
willie b
We have some early FM in the house, I really enjoy it, but don't know all the titles.
Why I am back in Dayton?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #
there must be a correlation between very good music and the musician being bad motherfuckers
Moonbootica, Job Hunting
No, I just think no sub-group is immune from its share of assholes.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #
macs suck too.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Apparently you have me confused with someone else.
blerb |
09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #
Sinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b
Talented motherfucker, though.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz |
09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #
Sinatra was a motherfucker.
willie b
A friend's parents (French) were in Palm Springs and got it into their heads that they'd like a picture of Frank Sinatra's house. I don't know how they found the address, but they drove over to the neighborhood and as soon as they stopped the car some large necked gentlemen began asking very unfriendly questions about their intentions. They left.
Jim |
09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #
i suppose she believes that all those wine parties jesus went to had no sexy dancing whatsoever. sigh.
Jesus was the go to guy for turning water into funk.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:12 pm | #
wagner's music isn't as bad as it sounds.
-- sam clemens
dirk gently, sociopathetic
"Wagner, Max, Wagner."
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz |
09.29.07 - 5:12 pm | #
Did Sinatra break a champagne bottle on Ava Gardner's head?
Jim |
09.29.07 - 5:12 pm | #
i suppose she believes that all those wine parties jesus went to had no sexy dancing whatsoever. sigh.
chicago dyke
Oh, there are fundies who will swear Jesus never drank wine, no matter what it says in their infallible Bible. It had to be grape juice, because Jesus wouldn't poison himself with alcohol.
Mrs. Gummo says she heard this all the time as a yute.
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09.29.07 - 5:13 pm | #
We have some Earl Gray in the house but I don't enjoy it.
It has something fucked up in it that makes my mouth go numb.
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09.29.07 - 5:13 pm | #
Oh, there are fundies who will swear Jesus never drank wine, no matter what it says in their infallible Bible. It had to be grape juice, because Jesus wouldn't poison himself with alcohol.
"I believe every word in the Bible is infallible, except the parts that don't jive with my worldview."
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:14 pm | #
We have some Earl Gray in the house but I don't enjoy it.
It has something fucked up in it that makes my mouth go numb.
Tom3
Dammit, we sprayed the paraquat on the wrong batch of "tea"!
-- the DEA
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09.29.07 - 5:14 pm | #
Did Sinatra break a champagne bottle on Ava Gardner's head?
The world's largest seafood company is coming under intense pressure to shift its fish farms further out to sea after its largest shareholder claimed the industry was helping to kill off wild salmon and trout populations. A coalition of 32 conservation, angling and aboriginal peoples' groups from the UK, Canada, Norway, Ireland, Iceland and the United States has written an open letter to Marine Harvest, which produces a third of the world's farmed fish, urging it to ban fish farms from wild salmon and trout rivers.
John Fredriksen, a Norwegian shipping and oil industry billionaire who owns 29% of Marine Harvest, surprised anglers and conservationists by directly linking fish farms to plunging wild fish populations - a link the industry has repeatedly disputed. A keen angler who is reputedly worth £3.5bn and has a home in Chelsea, he told a Norwegian newspaper earlier this year: "I am concerned about the future for wild salmon. Fish farming should not be allowed in fjords with salmon rivers."
i would rather walk through a river of shit chewing ground glass with goggles showing bush and gannon going at it strapped to my eyes, than listen to most bluegrass.
i respect the fact that a lot of the artists are progressive though. i just can't stand the yodeling.
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09.29.07 - 5:14 pm | #
Not my thing. I like jazz.
bill buckner | 09.29.07 - 5:10 pm | #
i respect the fact that a lot of the artists are progressive though.
With the glaring exception of Bill Monroe.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:15 pm | #
You like jazz, you just don't know it.
ape | 09.29.07 - 5:05 pm | #
that's why it sucks.
bluegrass rocks, though. - dirk gently
dirk, are you the guy working in the next building who has the Outback with a sticker on the back window of a cheerfully grinning rabbit holding a banjo a saying "Your music sucks hard".
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09.29.07 - 5:15 pm | #
respect the fact that a lot of the artists are progressive though. i just can't stand the yodeling.
chicago dyke
Yodelling?
Not every bluegrass song is a Jimmy Rodgers cover!
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09.29.07 - 5:15 pm | #
The money lost by British gamblers will exceed £10bn annually next year - a rise of 50% in nine years, and the biggest jump since the 1960s.
The losses have been driven by abolition of betting duty, the emergence of online betting, poker and casino sites, and a steady unwinding of regulatory constraints. But the biggest single drain comes from a new type of slot machine, offering video roulette in betting shops.
I notice nobody has mentioned "1st Battalion The Black Watch - The Ladies From Hell" on their rave music list. Or Carlos Nakai's records. Or the Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack.
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09.29.07 - 5:16 pm | #
We have some early FM in the house, I really enjoy it, but don't know all the titles.
Peter Green, man. Whew.
Eark Grey was the 1st album after Green left. Danny Kirwan was the lead player and singer (except that Earl Grey is an instrumental).
IIRC, I sent you some Green era Mac.
Want some Kirwan stuff? It's actually better, IMO.
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09.29.07 - 5:16 pm | #
Apparently you have me confused with someone else.
blerb | 09.29.07 - 5:11 pm | #
no, it wasn't necessarily aimed at you.
sometimes i just like to make trouble.
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
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09.29.07 - 5:16 pm | #
I don't like the taste of Earl Grey. And Lady Grey is no better.
Marcellina |
09.29.07 - 5:17 pm | #
sometimes i just like to make trouble.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
You should meet my mother-in-law.
Toucari, DFH |
09.29.07 - 5:17 pm | #
dirk, are you the guy working in the next building who has the Outback with a sticker on the back window of a cheerfully grinning rabbit holding a banjo a saying "Your music sucks hard".
bo, Hairballacious | 09.29.07 - 5:15 pm | #
no, i just got bored of everyone liking the same music.
really i like just about any music hat is done well. or rare.
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
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09.29.07 - 5:17 pm | #
IIRC, I sent you some Green era Mac.
Yes, you did! Good shit.
Want some Kirwan stuff? It's actually better, IMO.
willie b
Oh thanks, but no. Got a whole bunch of music sitting here I haven't even checked out yet.
Wonderful problem to have, though.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:17 pm | #
I used to enjoy Earl Grey. Lately I'd rather just spray perfume in my mouth.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:17 pm | #
Well, I gotta go, so I'll leave Moon with some CanCon.
Pleasant evening, you fabulous moonbats.
geor3ge |
09.29.07 - 5:20 pm | #
Never got into the iced tea.
But just about any kind of black tea (that isn't smoky) with a slice of lemon, perhaps just a touch of sugar to cut the acid -- mmm.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:20 pm | #
Oh thanks, but no. Got a whole bunch of music sitting here I haven't even checked out yet.
Aiight, homes. Your call.
willie b |
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09.29.07 - 5:20 pm | #
I've become a fan of camomile, vanilla and honey tea
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 5:20 pm | #
Never got into the iced tea.
You've probably never had it made right.
It's delicious!!
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:21 pm | #
close enough, spinoza. good shit, in the right mood...
And how about the Sandpipers or Peter, Paul and Mary or Nat King Cole?
I hate to say it, sounding fuddy-duddy as it does, but I really prefer music with a melody and comprehensible lyrics. Not that there aren't lots of exceptions to that like Inagaddadavida (too lazy to look up the spelling this afternoon).
atablarasa |
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09.29.07 - 5:21 pm | #
from Moon's link about Andre Gorz: He played a role in popularising the work of Ivan Illich and the Club of Rome and based much of his important work around a humanist, eco-socialist perspective opposed to both productivist/authoritarian versions of Marxism and what he saw as anti-humanist Deep Ecology.
What is anti-humanist Deep Ecology? The idea that the earth is better off without humans, I guess?
Marcellina |
09.29.07 - 5:21 pm | #
You've probably never had it made right.
It's delicious!!
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U
Sounds like an offer....
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:21 pm | #
You should meet my mother-in-law.
Toucari
The one who is visiting now?
Sorry.
ql-was in NY |
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09.29.07 - 5:22 pm | #
Feh, it's still hot here.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:22 pm | #
I drink about a half gallon of Lipton iced tea a day. I love the V8 juice.
ape |
09.29.07 - 5:22 pm | #
Next time you're in Boulder, I'll take you down Sleepytime Drive past Zinger Street to the Celestial Seasonings factory.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:23 pm | #
Never got into the iced tea.
You've probably never had it made right.
Sun tea is wonderful.
spinoza |
09.29.07 - 5:23 pm | #
I drink about a half gallon of Lipton iced tea a day.
Paul Simon said he used to smoke a pint of tea a day....
atablarasa |
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09.29.07 - 5:23 pm | #
Shakira would be good even if she wasn't jaw-droppingly hot.
But it's nice to have both.
Gummo
I like Shakira because she's smart and not ashamed to be smart.
I understand she's taking some courses at UCLA right now.
Better role model for girls than Britney, Nicole, Paris and Lindsay.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz |
09.29.07 - 5:23 pm | #
Sounds like an offer....
Well, sure...
(hollers) "MADDIE!!! open the wormhole for me, would ya? PUT DOWN THE FEATHER ON THE STICK PLEASE...."
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:23 pm | #
What is anti-humanist Deep Ecology? The idea that the earth is better off without humans, I guess?
Marcellina | 09.29.07 - 5:21 pm | #
Better role model for girls than Britney, Nicole, Paris and Lindsay.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz
Pink, too.
Even Christine Aguilera -- she enjoys putting on the hoochie image but man, she can really sing.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:24 pm | #
What is anti-humanist Deep Ecology?
I presume it refers to Garrett Hardin and his ilk. The idea that for example sending food to Africa or Bangladesh is counter-productive because it will only result in more misery in the end.
spinoza |
09.29.07 - 5:24 pm | #
Better role model for girls than Britney, Nicole, Paris and Lindsay.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz
Pink, too.
Even Christine Aguilera -- she enjoys putting on the hoochie image but man, she can really sing.
Gummo
Christina is finally doing material worthy of her voice.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz |
09.29.07 - 5:25 pm | #
It's delicious!!
fourlegsrgood
I have to say, the South does ice tea about 1000 times better than up North. You even get to request unsweetened.
ql-was in NY |
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09.29.07 - 5:25 pm | #
I drink about a half gallon of Lipton iced tea a day. That's the only thing I drink.
Ô¿Ô | 09.29.07 - 5:19 pm | #
Allow us to be somewhat skeptical....
69 Visitors |
09.29.07 - 5:25 pm | #
a interesting quote from a Ken MacLeod book (The Star Fraction) is below my blog title
“Protection. Conservation. Restriction. Deep ecology. Give me deep technology any day. They don't scare me. "I'm damned if I'll crawl, my children's children crawl on the earth in some kind a fuckin' harmony with the environment. Yeah, till the next ice age or the next asteroid impact." - Moh Kohn
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #
Dance After Curfew
Sorry. Didn't do anything for me.
Toonscribe:pop-up free |
09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #
I have to say, the South does ice tea about 1000 times better than up North. You even get to request unsweetened.
Yes.
I put sugar in it, but I don't like to order sweet tea.
Too sweet.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #
The idea that for example sending food to Africa or Bangladesh is counter-productive because it will only result in more misery in the end.
spinoza
Wow. That's cold and harsh, but it may prove out true in the end.
The pessimists are on a winning streak these days, sad to say....
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #
The one who is visiting now?
Sorry.
ql-was in NY
Yes.
Last night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.
Toucari, DFH |
09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #
Sun tea is wonderful.
As is Sun Ra.
I also like Isised tea.
spinoza |
09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:24 pm | #
I still dig Tori Amos and Fiona Apple...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #
Karl Rove's latest front group
bo, Hairballacious |
09.29.07 - 5:26 pm | #
tsst Lipton tea is fine.
Yes.
I really like Tetley orange pekoe. Can't always find it here.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:27 pm | #
I have to say, the South does ice tea about 1000 times better than up North. You even get to request unsweetened.
ql-was in NY
Isn't unsweetened iced tea just Northern iced tea?
I've heard that southern sweet tea is about half sugar (never tried it)
69 Visitors |
09.29.07 - 5:27 pm | #
Variety is the spice of life, as 'they' say....
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:28 pm | #
I put sugar in it, but I don't like to order sweet tea.
Too sweet.
Best tea ever was in a restaurant in Mexico. Sugar pooled in the bottom, brewed just right, lime instead of lemon. Made it dessert.
atablarasa |
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09.29.07 - 5:28 pm | #
Lipton Tea is served a lot on the Continent, must to my mum's chagrin so she brings her own tea bags with her when she goes abroad
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 5:28 pm | #
It's kinda weird that I have anonymous weirdos studying every word I write.
Look, I think I misspelt some in this post!
Ô¿Ô |
09.29.07 - 5:28 pm | #
Last night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.
Just remember she's leaving eventually.
In the meantime tell her that the extra grey in her hair makes her look very distinguished and that it's wonderful that she still can find clothes in her size after gaining so much weight.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:28 pm | #
Wow. That's cold and harsh, but it may prove out true in the end.
Garrett Hardin did some great work. His essay on the tragedy of the commons is wonderful. But he pushed the deep ecology idea to rather dizzying levels. iirc he and his wife committed suicide together rather than face more of old age and illnesses.
spinoza |
09.29.07 - 5:29 pm | #
Fiona Apple - Listen to the keyboard mellotron. Same ones as used on Beatles Magical Mystery Tour.
Lipton Tea is served a lot on the Continent, must to my mum's chagrin so she brings her own tea bags with her when she goes abroad
Moonbootica, Job Hunting
If I didn't know better, I might suspect you were British!
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:29 pm | #
Last night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.
Tell her she should shave more often.
spinoza |
09.29.07 - 5:29 pm | #
Isn't unsweetened iced tea just Northern iced tea?
Ummm, no.
Believe it or not, sweet tea is not the norm in the south.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:30 pm | #
my mum and I drink Fairtrade Tea
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 5:30 pm | #
Downloaded a gigabyte + of "Summer of Love" music.
OY! SO much nostolgia, so many memories.
Chris Tucker |
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09.29.07 - 5:30 pm | #
Last night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing. - Toucari
Keep going, you'll have lots of witnesses for your justifiable homicide defense.
bo, Hairballacious |
09.29.07 - 5:31 pm | #
Lipton tea is yucky
Not for ice tea it's not.
For hot tea I prefer other things.
Lipton is just a blend of orange and black pekoe, nothing wrong with that.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:31 pm | #
Fairtrade tea(the TeaDirect is the one me and my mum like to drink)
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 5:31 pm | #
Downloaded a gigabyte + of "Summer of Love" music.
OY! SO much nostolgia, so many memories.
Chris Tucker
Is that the new "Nuggets" collection?
I'm waiting to actually buy it for myself for Xmas -- I love Rhino's packaging for their albums, lotsa pictures, liner notes, essays, etc.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:31 pm | #
The NYT article doesn't mention it, but the odious Matalin Harpy is involved in that "grassroots" independent Ari Fleischer group too
I don't like the taste of tannin so I don't drink tea at all, except some green tea if nothing else is available.
Echidne |
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09.29.07 - 5:32 pm | #
Lipton is just a blend of orange and black pekoe, nothing wrong with that.
It is the Velveeta of tea.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:32 pm | #
Or breathe less often.
bo, Hairballacious |
09.29.07 - 5:33 pm | #
"3:10 to Yuma" was a really good flick.
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 5:33 pm | #
My mum is a part of my hometown's Fairtrade Team, she goes and gives speeches at local organizations and schools
Moonbootica, Job Hunting |
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09.29.07 - 5:33 pm | #
I don't like the taste of tannin
That would explain Biff's calling you a butthead.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:33 pm | #
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:33 pm | #
Ah, so we have a contingent of tea nazis to go with our musical taste nazis.
Just fucking say you don't like it and leave it at that, please.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U
Actually, I think it's fun, seeing what different people are passionate about.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:33 pm | #
"Pfft - that's nothing. simels once coldcocked Fatty Arbuckle."
The worse part was icing down his penis.
Chris Tucker |
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09.29.07 - 5:34 pm | #
I bet Dear Leader does not watch Ken Burns' The War....
Damn the MCM for saddling us with that idiot for a president.
jawbone |
09.29.07 - 5:34 pm | #
Hi! Bye! watertiger
She knows we like to see her coming and walking away.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:34 pm | #
I don't like the taste of tannin so I don't drink tea at all, except some green tea if nothing else is available.
Some parrots eat foods that are bitter with tannin for the protein. They deal with the bitterness by eating clay. The same is sometimes found in humans (the DSM-IV refers to the behavior as pica).So maybe you should add some clay to your tea.
spinoza |
09.29.07 - 5:34 pm | #
Tonight I am going to hide in my neighbor's sukkot.
Toucari, DFH |
09.29.07 - 5:34 pm | #
Last night we learned that I should shave more, my wife should change her hair style, the red sofas in the living room were a bad choice, and she doubts that I used the correct sealant on the quarry tile on the porch. I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.
My mil does that with her own daughters. Never with me. But her behavior has colored my feelings about her, because she's made them miserable and continues to do so, even though they're both in their 50's.
pie |
09.29.07 - 5:34 pm | #
Actually, I think it's fun, seeing what different people are passionate about.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:33 pm | #
Yeah, but they don't have to insult other people's choices.
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:34 pm | #
Actually, I think it's fun, seeing what different people are passionate about.
I have learned a lot about that on the net! More than I ever wished to learn, probably.
Echidne |
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09.29.07 - 5:34 pm | #
My point is, feel free to tell me what you love, and if you don't like what I like that's fine.
But you don't have to make blanket pronouncements about what "sucks."
fourlegsrgood, gots torch du U |
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09.29.07 - 5:35 pm | #
I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.
Toucari
Ah, I never got on that well with my mil either but I always said I could get along with anyone for one or two weeks a year. Same kind of deal, the sandwiches I made for her grandchildren weren't healthy, it was ridiculous to try and limit sugar in babies under two, fer christ's sake, and so on. It'll be over before ya know it and you will understand the old saw about not knowing how much it hurt to bang your head against the till you stopped.
ql-was in NY |
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09.29.07 - 5:35 pm | #
Met a friend in a cafe last week, and asked the waiter what kinds of tea he had. The usual (black, fruit, peppermint, green) and white tea.
"It's like green tea, only milder." I'd never heard of it before.
Marcellina |
09.29.07 - 5:35 pm | #
Close allies of Gordon Brown will tell him this weekend he will never have a better chance of crushing the Conservative Party after two new opinion polls gave Labour a huge, 10-point lead.
Mr Brown is to consult trusted advisers on whether to call a snap election but will not make a final decision until after he has seen the reaction to David Cameron's closing speech to the Tories' conference in Blackpool on Wednesday.
A Populus poll for today's Times newspaper puts Labour on 41 per cent, the Tories on 31 per cent and the Liberal Democrats on 17 per cent. Labour has risen by four points in the past four weeks and the Tories fell by five points.
Mr Brown leads Mr Cameron on key leadership attributes – by 59 per cent to 30 per cent in having "what it takes to be a good prime minister", by 60 to 45 per cent in caring "about the problems ordinary people face", by 50 to 30 per cent in having "answers to the big problems facing Britain" and by 64 to 57 per cent in being "about the future not the past".
We get our tea at Ten Ren Tea company, located in the Pacific East Mall complex in Albany (CA, not NY). They have about 100 kinds, but I'd say that their black King's tea and their ~$80/lb. Pouchong Oolong are my faves. I also like Lhapsang Souchong, of which even the most expensive variety is pretty cheap. But Lipton? Eck.
blerb |
09.29.07 - 5:36 pm | #
White tea is very good.
spinoza |
09.29.07 - 5:36 pm | #
Why I am back in Dayton?
Grammar lessons?
spinoza | 09.29.07 - 5:15 pm | #
I was back 'home' in Chicago and just flew back today. From civilization to juvenile deliquents hanging out across the street.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
09.29.07 - 5:36 pm | #
I like all kinds of tea, but I only really drink it when it's cold. Prefer iced coffee rather than iced tea.
pie |
09.29.07 - 5:36 pm | #
I bet Dear Leader does not watch Ken Burns' The War.... - jawbone
Beats off nightly to Patton, no doubt.
bo, Hairballacious |
09.29.07 - 5:36 pm | #
i being British put milk in my cup of tea
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker |
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09.29.07 - 5:37 pm | #
My mil does that with her own daughters. Never with me. But her behavior has colored my feelings about her, because she's made them miserable and continues to do so, even though they're both in their 50's.
pie
In my family it goes the other way. My SIL showed up to my mom's for a Mother's Day brunch, two hours late and and just finishing up her challupa as she got out of the car.
Jim |
09.29.07 - 5:37 pm | #
Tonight I am going to hide in my neighbor's sukkot.
Don't add bubble bath to the mikvah.
spinoza |
09.29.07 - 5:37 pm | #
pie | 09.29.07 - 5:36 pm | #
Does Pie like Chai ?
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 5:37 pm | #
But you don't have to make blanket pronouncements about what "sucks."
That kind of blanket proscription on blanket pronouncements sucks.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:37 pm | #
The number of parents home schooling their children has increased by at least 800 per cent within five years in some parts of Britain, as growing evidence emerges that some schools have encouraged it as a way of improving league table ratings for truancy and educational performance
The highest increase in Britain has been recorded in Lancashire, where 567 children are now home schooled compared with 61 five years ago.
Leicestershire's increase is 420 per cent and Cardiff's 221 per cent, though Education Otherwise – an organisation which offers advice to parents wanting to educate their children at home – claims the numbers may be three times higher than those disclosed by local authorities, because some children never start school in the first place and are not on local authority records.
Live just blows right now. My wife is ill, Bush is still president and fucking Kent State is beating my beloved Bobcats. The Indians will probably lose just to cap off a perfectly shitty week.
The Jester |
09.29.07 - 5:38 pm | #
.I don't like the taste of tannin so I don't drink tea at all, except some green tea if nothing else is available.
Echidne
Most really fine tea, if properly prepared, has very little tannic bite to it. It's just that Lipton stuff that tastes like furniture polish.
blerb |
09.29.07 - 5:38 pm | #
Who said Velveeta is bad?
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:40 pm | #
Darjeeling is nice as well
my mum has also in the cupboard Masala Spiced Tea, which is also good
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker |
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09.29.07 - 5:40 pm | #
Actually, I think it's fun, seeing what different people are passionate about.
Gummo
Amazing isn't. I love the controversy in the quilting world between hand quilters and machine, and don't get em started on the rotary cutter and strip piecing. Oy. Magazines are devoted to it.
ql-was in NY |
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09.29.07 - 5:40 pm | #
there must be a correlation between very good music and the musician being bad motherfuckers
Moonbootica, Job Hunting
I think that goes for the visual arts as well. You put a lot of "yourself" on display when you sing, put up a painting for public scrutiny, etc. Makes for fragile egos or something.
Lumpenprolitariot |
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09.29.07 - 5:40 pm | #
The Jester, I hope that your wife is speedily getting better.
Echidne |
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09.29.07 - 5:40 pm | #
The Indians will probably lose just to cap off a perfectly shitty week.
Nothing you can do about it, but I do hope your wife is better soon.
Indians look pretty good. As my husband said last night, if they can get past the fucking Yankees...
pie |
09.29.07 - 5:40 pm | #
i being British put milk in my cup of tea
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker
I put half and half in that expensive Oolong tea, too. Might horrify the Chinese connisseurs, but I like it that way.
blerb |
09.29.07 - 5:40 pm | #
Tannin is in red wine but not white, is that right?
Jim | 09.29.07 - 5:39 pm | #
I dunno, but it is the skin that creates the color. Only positive thing I learned from "Sideways"
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 5:40 pm | #
Oh shit, I missed teh new Torchwood
Jim |
09.29.07 - 5:41 pm | #
Hi! Bye!
watertiger
When B'klyn Girl isn't looking, give Simels a big hug and kiss from me.
ql-was in NY |
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09.29.07 - 5:41 pm | #
Who said Velveeta is bad?
JeffCO
Works great if you run out of caulk for your tub!
blerb |
09.29.07 - 5:42 pm | #
Who said Velveeta is bad?
JeffCO
Velveeta is what holds the Philly cheese steak together.
Toucari, DFH |
09.29.07 - 5:42 pm | #
After I read Nial Fergusen's book about how America needed to take up the British Burden of Managing the Orientals, I started drinking tea and wearing a pith helmut. I say, this Empire Business is not as Easy as it might have appeared.
rootless2 |
09.29.07 - 5:42 pm | #
When in Boulder, we can also visit the Teahouse, a gift from the people of Dushanbe. More tea than one could drink.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:42 pm | #
I'd go on but it is too fucking depressing.
Toucari, DFH |
people who speak to me like that aren't invited back to the house again. i don't care if you're related to someone or not, there's just no good reason to tolerate that kind of insult and beratement. this is something i learned when i decided to stop taking that kind of shit from one of my grandmothers- if you allow it, they just keep going and going and making more and more serious insults. i broke off relations with her when she accused me of stealing from her, when in fact i was losing money taking time off from my own work to see that her finances stayed in order.
polite manners are always in style, the right thing, worth maintaining, etc. esp in someone else's home.
chicago dyke |
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09.29.07 - 5:42 pm | #
i being British put milk in my cup of tea
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker
So do I, Moon.
My mom was raised by her aunt and uncle. Her aunt was from Ireland (Irish mother, British army officer father) and she drank her tea with milk.
My mom always drinks it that way, and that's the way I've always had it.
I didn't know about the lemon thing till I was in high school.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz |
09.29.07 - 5:43 pm | #
"Is that the new "Nuggets" collection?"
Well part of it was something called "Nuggets; Artyfacts from the 60s" or some such.
Also grabbed the Billboard top 100 for 68, and a bunch of commercial and homebrewed compilations.
I suppose it's a reaction to the current events, I find it comforting to listen to the music I essentially "grew up" with, in every meaning of the term.
I'm starting on collecting 1967 and 1969.
Chris Tucker |
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09.29.07 - 5:44 pm | #
When B'klyn Girl isn't looking, give Simels a big hug and kiss from me.
ql-was in NY
polite manners are always in style, the right thing, worth maintaining, etc. esp in someone else's home.
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:42 pm | #
Indeed, but you're cool. Imagine "House" staying at your house.
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 5:44 pm | #
Who said Velveeta is bad?
JeffCO
Velveeta is what holds the Philly cheese steak together.
Toucari, DFH
I like Velveeta.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz |
09.29.07 - 5:45 pm | #
.Tannin is in red wine but not white, is that right?
Jim
White wine is not free from tannin but generally contains much less of it than red. The Tannins come from the stems, skins, and seeds, which are left to macerate with the juice during fermentation for red wine thus extracting lots of it, but not for white. But even if you press right away, the resulting white wine will still have some degree of tannin. Also, post-fermentation aging in oak can add tannins to whit wine.
blerb |
09.29.07 - 5:45 pm | #
When in Boulder, we can also visit the Teahouse, a gift from the people of Dushanbe. More tea than one could drink.
When we passed through Boulder we stopped for a visit to the Celestial Seasonings factory for a tour. The tour guide dared us to see who could stay the longest in the Peppermint Room (inhale once and you're out of there.)
Marcellina |
09.29.07 - 5:45 pm | #
All the ladies love Steve.
Sigh.
Yes, but that's because you're already taken by the lovely Mrs. Gummo.
Silly.
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09.29.07 - 5:46 pm | #
Tai Chi?
Chai Tea?
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Tom3
Whoa.
Dude.
Cosmic.
Gummo
Actually I stole that one from Lisa Simpson...and I ain't givin' it back.
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09.29.07 - 5:46 pm | #
The tour guide dared us to see who could stay the longest in the Peppermint Room (inhale once and you're out of there.)
My favorite part! Well, that and the damaged bin.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:46 pm | #
Philadelphia Cream Cheese
Shine on Me
I Love ya
Shine a light
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 5:47 pm | #
Yes, but that's because you're already taken by the lovely Mrs. Gummo.
I was back 'home' in Chicago and just flew back today. From civilization to juvenile deliquents hanging out across the street.
Buckeye,
oh, it's not so bad in OH, buckeye. i'm here now. i'm enjoying the beauty of the season, this state is lovely this time of year.
and there are plenty of shiftless juvvies on the streets of chicago, i'm sure you'll agree. perhaps you should just draw the curtains and turn up some good music (but not bluegrass, which sucks).
chicago dyke |
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Organisers of a protest aimed at calling for British troops to be withdrawn from Iraq claimed yesterday that the authorities are trying to ban the event.
The Stop the War Coalition is planning to stage a march from Trafalgar Square in central London to nearby Parliament on October 8, the day MPs return from their summer break.
But following a series of meetings with police, the group said it had now been told that all demonstrations within a mile of Parliament have been banned.
Organisers of protests have to get police permission to hold events outside Parliament, but several demonstrations have been held in recent years, including many against the Iraq war.
Lindsey German, convenor of STWC, said she was told by police that they had been given a "steer" from Parliament that demonstrations could not be held while the Commons was in session.
"This is a new, worrying development from what has been custom and practice for years. We intend to go ahead with our march and we hope they will back down," she said.
Its in the water...
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 5:49 pm | #
Thanks Echidne and Pie, we'll know more next week. For now she's on a Holt monitor and has a Thalium stress test coming up soon. I hope they can come up with a good treatment plan for her
The Jester |
09.29.07 - 5:50 pm | #
Tai Chi?
Chai Tea?
Then there's Dick Van Dyke's B movie, a shoot'em up about the tea trade called Chai Tea, Chai Tea Bang Bang.
bo, Hairballacious |
09.29.07 - 5:50 pm | #
You mean you missed the new Torchwood on BBC America, right?
Sigh - yeah the new season won't start in the UK till January I think.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:50 pm | #
perhaps you should just draw the curtains and turn up some good music (but not bluegrass, which sucks)
Thanks Echidne and Pie, we'll know more next week. For now she's on a Holt monitor and has a Thalium stress test coming up soon. I hope they can come up with a good treatment plan for her
What's the matter with her?
Echidne |
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09.29.07 - 5:52 pm | #
Then there's Dick Van Dyke's B movie, a shoot'em up about the tea trade called Chai Tea, Chai Tea Bang Bang.
If I weren't opposed to such methods, that comment would qualify you for a visit with a sack of bedknobs and some broomsticks.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:52 pm | #
gilly- it's not about being cool, it's about self respect. reading some of the comments about MILs here today reminds me of just how much power people give others over their own self esteem. your parents and family are owed some degree of filial duty, but not to the point of causing serious emotional injury.
my mother is a perfect example of this. one of the most accomplished black women in america, mensa member, beloved physician, etc. and she still will start crying after a nasty phone call from her mother telling her that her hair is ugly or suchlike. i hate grandma for ruining mom's sense of self esteem.
chicago dyke |
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09.29.07 - 5:52 pm | #
So far my listening this afternoon has been:
Beatles
Buddy Holly
Bob Dylan
I'm so predictable but I don't care.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:52 pm | #
I was back 'home' in Chicago and just flew back today. From civilization to juvenile deliquents hanging out across the street.
Buckeye,
oh, it's not so bad in OH, buckeye. i'm here now. i'm enjoying the beauty of the season, this state is lovely this time of year.
and there are plenty of shiftless juvvies on the streets of chicago, i'm sure you'll agree. perhaps you should just draw the curtains and turn up some good music (but not bluegrass, which sucks).
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:47 pm
Are you in Cleveland?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
09.29.07 - 5:52 pm | #
Bluegrass is God's own music. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight.
The Jester |
09.29.07 - 5:52 pm | #
My regular snooty coffeeshop order: a chocolate soy chai.
JeffCO |
09.29.07 - 5:53 pm | #
Bluegrass is God's own music. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight.
The Jester
Saw Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys this summer right here in Brooklyn.
They were great, but they couldn't figure out why their big applause lines mentioning "our lord & saviour Jesus Christ!" were only getting polite golf claps.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:54 pm | #
I feel like some old country music. All this talk of bluegrass is getting me in the mood for that...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 5:54 pm | #
Thanks Echidne and Pie, we'll know more next week. For now she's on a Holt monitor and has a Thalium stress test coming up soon. I hope they can come up with a good treatment plan for her
What's the matter with her?
She had a heart attack.
The Jester |
09.29.07 - 5:54 pm | #
Sigh - yeah the new season won't start in the UK till January I think.
JeffCO | 09.29.07 - 5:50 pm | #
yeah, early 2008
looks pretty cool, they have a guest appearance from James Masters (Spike from Buffy and Angel)
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker |
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09.29.07 - 5:54 pm | #
My regular snooty coffeeshop order: a chocolate soy chai.
JeffCO
Mayhap I'll try that. I try to get soy into my diet, but the milk has been problematic.
Jim |
09.29.07 - 5:54 pm | #
barndog, i'm just funin' with you. i thought that would get your attention, heh.
chicago dyke |
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09.29.07 - 5:54 pm | #
"the new season won't start in the UK till January I think."
Something like that.
For a moment, I thought that BBC in the UK had started the second series.
I've been the connection for Torchwood, Doctor Who and The IT Crowd for a bunch of my non-broadband enabled friends.
Thank FSM that blank media is so damn inexpensive!
Chris Tucker |
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09.29.07 - 5:55 pm | #
Merle Haggard sounds good about now...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 5:55 pm | #
my mother is a perfect example of this. one of the most accomplished black women in america, mensa member, beloved physician, etc. and she still will start crying after a nasty phone call from her mother telling her that her hair is ugly or suchlike. i hate grandma for ruining mom's sense of self esteem.
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:52 pm |
My maternal grandmother was like this, though not quite as bad. If I choose to, I can dredge up all sorts of memories of mom crying after talking to her mom.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
09.29.07 - 5:55 pm | #
my mum has suffered from eczema and kidney infections over her older sister's attitude towards her parents.
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker |
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09.29.07 - 5:55 pm | #
She had a heart attack.
The Jester
Sending her and you good thoughts and calm and healing.
Echidne |
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09.29.07 - 5:55 pm | #
Or maybe that Dylan acoustic album Good As I Been To You...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 5:55 pm | #
Or maybe that Dylan acoustic album Good As I Been To You...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
A wonderful semi-forgotten album.
Also the follow-up, "World Gone Wrong," which is much darker in tone.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:56 pm | #
buckeye- yup, but not for long. sis is on vacation (much deserved) in wine country, and i'm taking care of the nephew. he's wearing me out with demands for elmo and suchlike, but i did get a chance to see/do an ex last night, so there's that. i go home tuesday.
chicago dyke |
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09.29.07 - 5:56 pm | #
i hate grandma for ruining mom's sense of self esteem.
chicago dyke
Since she's Mr. QL's mom I always figured the best thing I could do for him is not start problems. Besides, she raised Mr. QL and his sister, my bestest friend. And sil is the one who is taking care of her now that she's got Alzheimers. Not my place at all. Besides, I never took all that seriously.
ql-was in NY |
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09.29.07 - 5:56 pm | #
My family has no bad mother-in-laws or father-in-laws or the equivalent. Everybody stays away from adult children's business. We have been very lucky, though it's probably not just luck but some work on the part of those who are so well behaved in this matter.
Echidne |
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09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #
Thank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester |
09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #
my mum has excellent relations with her mother in law as does my dad with his
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker |
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09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #
i thought that would get your attention, heh.
I was otherwise entertained with teh MSU-Wisconsin game.
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09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #
Thank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester
Very very quiet, last time I checked.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #
Thank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #
I don't get it...
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 5:59 pm | #
Was the piano player in Reefer Madness one of the Marx Brothers?
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 5:59 pm | #
my mum's eldest sister, my Aunty B has a habit of meddling in her other sister's affairs
and she has this dependent relationship with her eldest daughter, who is all sweetness and light but has a nasty undercurrent, my Aunty B has pretty much supporter her 100% to the detriment of her other two children, both who are far more nicer than my cousin and her mum (Aunty B)
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker |
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09.29.07 - 5:59 pm | #
My beau's mother died 7 years ago, so I won't have a mother-in-law problem.
He's going to meet mine next month. Fortunately my mother is pretty cool about most things.
Marcellina |
09.29.07 - 5:59 pm | #
Also the follow-up, "World Gone Wrong," which is much darker in tone.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:56 pm | #
I like that one, better, but they're both good and very underrated...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 5:59 pm | #
Afternoon, peeps. Overdue movie review from last night:
The Wind that Shakes the Barley was incredibly good. The parallels to Iraq are clear but not overdone, the acting was fabulous, just an amazing film.
TJ, outraged |
09.29.07 - 6:00 pm | #
I like that one, better, but they're both good and very underrated...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 09.29.07 - 5:59 pm | #
Same with Tom Waits and his "Alice" album
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 6:00 pm | #
Whenever we visit with our inlaws, my MIL acts like she likes me better than she does her husband. It irritates him no end, but it kind of serves him right for being such a knuckle-dragger. One of these days, he should try helping with the dishes.
blerb |
09.29.07 - 6:00 pm | #
Thank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #
my father's side is very down to earth in comparasion heh
Moonbootica, Tea Drinker |
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09.29.07 - 6:01 pm | #
buckeye- yup, but not for long. sis is on vacation (much deserved) in wine country, and i'm taking care of the nephew. he's wearing me out with demands for elmo and suchlike, but i did get a chance to see/do an ex last night, so there's that. i go home tuesday.
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:56 pm
northern Ohio and Southern Ohio are two different animals. I lived in suburan Cleveland (painesville) in the 1980's. If I have to stay in Ohio, I'd go back to Cleveland. I miss Fall on the Lake.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
09.29.07 - 6:01 pm | #
I like that one, better, but they're both good and very underrated...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Yes, when Dylan's writing muse dried up finally in the late 80s-early 90s, he turned back to his folk roots. Revitalized him and he's been pumping out good work since at an age when most are happily contemplating retirement.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 6:01 pm | #
Moonbotica... was that rivalries about nouroses?
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09.29.07 - 6:02 pm | #
"Thank you Gummo, how are Harpo, Chico and Groucho?
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 5:57 pm | #
Don't forget Zeppo!"
And then there's Alleppo, the Brother they don't talk about.
Chris Tucker |
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09.29.07 - 6:02 pm | #
Apparently, Wal-Mart is now selling t-shirts that say "Some say it's stalking, I call it love." As the columnist put it,
What's next?
"Some say it's rape, I call it hot sex"? Or: "Some call it domestic violence, I say I'm just teaching her a lesson"?
TJ, outraged |
09.29.07 - 6:03 pm | #
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:01 pm | #
Voice changes, too:
"eeeeeeee"
to the "Kermit the Frog Years"
to "Nose as a Kazoo era"
Gilly Gonzylon |
09.29.07 - 6:03 pm | #
Those albums really renewed him. The next 3 studio albums, Time Out of Mind, Love and Theft, and Modern Times are all brilliant.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #
Nobuaki Kinjo was 16 when he murdered his mother, six-year-old brother and four-year-old sister. Then he went looking for Americans to kill. "We went insane," he told a court recently. "We were told by the soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army that we should commit suicide rather than be captured."
More than six decades after those horrific events, Mr Kinjo is fighting another war against government censorship. Now a 78-year-old Baptist missionary, he will be one of about 50,000 people marching today in the tiny Pacific island of Okinawa, whose population has been angered by plans to censor school textbooks.
Mr Kinjo's experience, and others like it, is woven into the history of Okinawa, the scene of one of the bloodiest battles of the Second World War. Locals still remember receiving grenades – known as gifts of love from the Emperor – to save bullets in mass suicides. But this year, Tokyo in effect declared that such events never took place.
I've only seen Riff-Raff, which I really liked...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I highly recommend both Land and Freedom, about the Spanish Civil War, and Sweet Sixteen. Both excellent. He doesn't spare any punches.
TJ, outraged |
09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #
He's the one who won't shut the fuck up.
Tom3 |
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09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #
Voice changes, too:
"eeeeeeee"
to the "Kermit the Frog Years"
to "Nose as a Kazoo era"
Gilly Gonzylon
When I saw him about a year ago, his voice was so bad on the first couple of songs, I thought we were in for a really long night.
But after that he warmed up real fast and by the end of the show he sang Nettie Moore so softly and sweetly, I couldn't believe it.
Gummo |
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09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #
Apparently, Wal-Mart is now selling t-shirts that say "Some say it's stalking, I call it love." As the columnist put it,
What's next?
"Some say it's rape, I call it hot sex"? Or: "Some call it domestic violence, I say I'm just teaching her a lesson"?
TJ, outraged
Wait a minute...Was it not WalMart who pulled a t-shirt a couple of years ago?
A t-shirt that said "Someday A Woman Will Be President."
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz |
09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #
Re In-laws - When my in-laws told us they wanted to spend more time with us, I immediately rounded up all my sub-contractors and had them convert half of our oversized detached garage into a five star guest house. Also put them in a private side gate with their own key that matched the guest house.
Now they only come in the house for less than an hour a day, and I lock the back door from 8p-10a. We still go to lunch every day, and usually go to the mall a couple hours in the afternoon. It's like having guest, without having them underfoot. Best investment I ever made.
Chris/tx |
09.29.07 - 6:05 pm | #
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #
I've seen him 4 times, better each time...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 6:05 pm | #
My beau grew up in East Germany, and managed to get out when he met and fell in love with a Munich girl, by way of marriage.
However, when he told his parents that they had decided to wed, his mother basically disowned him, and his father's only comment to her action was "that's bitter." They were estranged for years.
Marcellina |
09.29.07 - 6:05 pm | #
Nettie Moore so softly and sweetly, I couldn't believe it.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:04 pm | #
That's one of my favorites songs off of Modern Times....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 6:06 pm | #
I like Dylan's cover of Sittin' on Top of the World....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
09.29.07 - 6:07 pm | #
Is Zeppo the one that's the grandfather of the notorious punker Barfo?
bo, Hairballacious |
09.29.07 - 6:07 pm | #
Is Zeppo the one that's the grandfather of the notorious punker Barfo?
bo, Hairballacious
IMHO, the best looking of the Marx Brothers.
My personal favorite was Harpo.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz |
09.29.07 - 6:09 pm | #
northern Ohio and Southern Ohio are two different animals. I lived in suburan Cleveland (painesville) in the 1980's. If I have to stay in Ohio, I'd go back to Cleveland. I miss Fall on the Lake.
I grew up in Southern Ohio (Athens) and live in Northern Ohio now (Eastlake). I couldn't agree more that there is a huge difference between the two. Much of it goes way, way, back to the early settlement of the state. Northern Ohio was settled by the Connecticut Land Company who called the area the Western Reserve (hence Case Western Reserve University) while the Southern parts of the state was settled by Virginians who brought their southern ways with them.
The tension between Northern Ohio and Southern Ohio was probably best exhibited during the Civil War when southern sympathizers in the counties (called "Copperheads") personified by such colorful figures like Clement Valandingham battled with the pro-abolitionists in the North. Valandingham wound up getting tossed in prison for the duration of the war.
You can see the signs of the division today. What other state can you think of that will send a complete conservative ho-bag like Jean Schmidt to congress at the same time that is sends progressives like Dennis Kucinich, Sherrod Brown and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones?
The Jester |
09.29.07 - 6:18 pm | #
in my youth I was once told that honor was substantially inherent in the cascading light of life in the monastery. consequently, my intentions towards those who impugned the character of those who refused to adhere to the principles of rationed, reasoned discourse remained fixed on the consequences of a strict interpretation of the laws and bylaws laid down by our forbearer. subsequent attempts to further refine the practices favored by the few who clung to the notion of 'straightforwardness' or 'earnestness' was met with a sort of obsequious insistence that further intimations of obsolescence, would not only be rejected, but would be seen as anathema to most adherents. hence my post.
Manu Tatupu |
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