I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Wheee!
ellroon
She scores!
SHA-doobie
SHATTERED.
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We were enjoying a crappy song thread Atrios.
Bigfoot.
All this week, its all about Bigfoot.
Mah shoes have wings.
bubble gumer's.
Hope these are flannel sheets--it's cold outside 
Mah shoes have wings.
MarkusB
Who's the wind beneath those wings? Hmmm?
i'm really thinking about buying this camera. it shoots videos.
very impressive.
SHA-doobie
SHATTERED.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
don't you know the crime rate's going up,up,up,up,up!!
Obama has a plan. I have hope. I'm enjoying that.
JP, see if you recognize the voice at about 3 minutes into this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n...h?
v=niLvytleTA8
Deacon Blues, aargh. Another song that burns my hair cells.
Who's the wind beneath those wings? Hmmm?
I think it's being generated by the flapping of a lame duck's wings.
Sort of a wing-to-wing assist thing.
It's a good plan. Who could complain?
Crappy shoes? That's what's been missing from all the shoe throwing commentary. A liberal, as in generous, glob off dogshit on the heel when throwing at Bush.
Past my bedtime. I'm sure I'll have pleasant dreams filled with horrible music. Thanks, Atriots!
still upper 40's here, heading to 16 tomorrow.
I got a name for the whiners in the world...
Off to eat. BBL.
I love my cats more than applebutter.
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Bo, I would never throw my Manolos at anyone.
I just think about how many hours I had to work to pay for them.
You might get me to part with my Target clogs, however.
Past my bedtime. I'm sure I'll have pleasant dreams filled with horrible music. Thanks, Atriots!
Far better than the reverse no doubt.
Fucking cowards.
The invasion came under cover of darkness around 8 p.m., after electricity was cut to much of the strip. Teams of soldiers with night-vision goggles advanced on foot, while others traveled in tanks and armored personnel carriers. The only light came from Israeli flares that periodically illuminated the sky, and from the towers of bright orange flame that followed missile strikes, revealing scenes of devastation on the ground.
How can anybody think this is right?
Ewwww....Smashing Pumpkins, simels' favorite band, just came on my Pandora station.
Evenin' Atriots. What be shakin?
"What's field goal range, the 30-35?"
what is the airspeed of a swallow?
Chargers' placekicker better start getting his leg ready.
A parting gift...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV5rJbyy0AU
(Listen to the whole thing. I dare you.)
"I have hope. I'm enjoying that."
How can anybody think this is right?
Endtimers, profiteers, freaks etc.
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The best rendition of 'Feelings' was the executioner's as the first 'Shrek' movie closed. Very brief. Could have been even shorter, though.
I like 'Edmund Fitzgerald' a lot, actually. I'm a bad person.
'Wildfire' and 'Loving You' and 'Muskrat Love' come to mind, and I wish they wouldn't....
Bush would never rate anyone's Manalos.
I thought Simels' favorite band was the Marcus Hook Roll Band?
what is the airspeed of a swallow?
European?
I don't care that it's a new thread:
"Treat'er like a lady", by Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose.
Genius, pure fuckin' genius.
Barry fom Alaska: JP, see if you recognize the voice at about 3 minutes into this.
Is that Ed?
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What's the frequency?
"European?"
AAAAAHHHHH!
ProfWombat, if you feel like being a bad person, how about having it involve a cask of amontillado, some pumpkin ice cream, and thou?
what is the airspeed of a swallow?
There's no air in outer space.
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Is that Ed?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Yep.
On Art Bells show about 7 years ago, claiming that he shot bigfoot.
How can anybody think this is right?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
It's genocide.
"what is the airspeed of a swallow?"
Call the FAA in Capistrano.
Hey Barry, how is Miss Hidey?
Are those Shia swallows or Sunni swallows?
Genius, pure fuckin' genius.
Great song. And whoever was apologizing for liking Paul Revere & The Raiders below need not - a severly underrated band, even if they did wear silly Revolutionary War costumes...
"Treat'er like a lady",
not bad. how about Wives & Lovers?
How can anybody think this is right?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
it's not right.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
I like 'Edmund Fitzgerald' a lot, actually. I'm a bad person.
'Wildfire' and 'Loving You' and 'Muskrat Love' come to mind, and I wish they wouldn't....
ProfWombat
Prof...please. Control yourself.
I'm told there is a difference, but of course, that's ridiculous.
Can anyone explain why the media and the country is going nuts over a two bit punk from Chicago trying to pawn off senate seat while ADMITTED WAR CRIMINALS occupy he fucking white house?
The whole thing with Blago is starting to smell funny, anyhow. Is that all they have, him being a jackass on the phone? Fitzgerald should put up or shut up. Frankly, after the way he let Cheney walk away from the Plame affair, I think he's a tool.
"what is the airspeed of a swallow?"
half that of a belch?
I shot the Big Foot but I did not shoot the Old Yeti.
Are those Shia swallows or Sunni swallows?
MarkusB
I'll put in a call to Linda Lovelace.
Hey Barry, how is Miss Hidey?
Sallyh, Sad Grandmere
She just came back home about 2 hours ago, doing pretty good. Getting some electric blanket and lap time.
I like 'Edmund Fitzgerald' a lot, actually. I'm a bad person.
People simply forget that Lightfoot was a Canadian folkie from the start. "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" was very much in that tradition. If he'd stuck to such stuff exclusively, he'd probably have about the same exposure and audience as, say, Stan Rogers or Bill Stains.
But, he had enough tunes cross over that "Edmund Fitzgerald" seemed wrong to a lot of people, even though it's much in the mold of Lightfoot's earlier tunes, such as "Canadian Railroad Trilogy."
Goddamn, they hit hard in the NFL.
Paul Revere and the Raiders had a teebee show in the afternoons when I was a teen. I used to watch it every day right before Dark Shadows.
Fitzpatrick asking for more time certainly is not helping the whole situation stay off the smell-o-meter.
"Don't Pull Your Love" by Hamilton, Joe-Frank and Reynolds has to be the dumbest fuckin' song title by the group with the strangest fuckin' name.
Barry fom Alaska: She just came back home about 2 hours ago, doing pretty good. Getting some electric blanket and lap time.
Awwww. Be well, Hidey!
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"Fitzgerald should put up or shut up. Frankly, after the way he let Cheney walk away from the Plame affair, I think he's a tool."
Word. Remember all the calls for Fitzmas? Still waiting. Blag is definitely giving cover.
Goddamn, they hit hard in the NFL.
Money game.
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montag: Lightfoot's 'Early Morning Rain' is one of my favorites, has been for 40 years:
This old airport's got me down; it ain't no earthly good to me
'Cause I'm stuck here on the ground as cold and drunk as I can be
You can't jump a jet plane like you can a freight train
So I'd best be on my way in the early morning rain
I'm Going To Catch That Horse.
Love the Byrds, hated that song.
"Fitzpatrick asking for more time certainly is not helping the whole situation stay off the smell-o-meter."
i'm not the paranoid type, but this sure makes me wonder because fitz sure made it sound like this was open and shut.
I loved the Byrds. And the Yardbirds.
ouch, that facemask hurt.
sallyh: all that, and 'The Oxford Book of English Verse' (QC edition)...
and a roll of quarters
and Bird
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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These pretzels are making me thirsty
I loved the Byrds.
*cough*
I like Jimmy Buffett a lot....I really do...but Cheeseburger in Paradise was one lame song.
and Bird
Charlie could blow!
I loved the Byrds. And the Yardbirds.
And Yardbird.
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CHARGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wish I still had my Mimi and Richard Farina record.
CHARGERS!!!!
Wow.
Bolts!
.
Game.
I'm off to bed.
Buenas noches.
Chargers win!
Now off to the donkey show in TJ!
(P.U., Curly! Fart machine!)
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And then there were The Birds, Ronnie Wood's pre-Faces group. Not bad Big Beat shingaling...
I like 'Edmund Fitzgerald' a lot, actually. I'm a bad person.
Me too. Actually, I like Lightfoot.
I have spent entire afternoons picking out the separate guitar overdubs on "Beautiful".
That song makes me melancholy. Reminds me of Seattle for some reason.
328 yards for Sproles.
quit feeding him oats
So who bit it if the Chargers prevailed?
I don't care. Norv Turner still sucks for the way he took the Redskins into the basement in 3 short years. And that's just the way I see it...as an Iggles fan.
(P.U., Curly! Fart machine!)
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Look behind the door, are you sure it wasn't...
BIGFOOT!
Colts are out!
The actual song 'Margaritaville' hardly celebrates it in lyric; doesn't actually sound like much fun. It's always puzzled me that the parrotheads love the idea so...
ProfWombat, re: the roll of quarters:
The kids will just have to go without clean laundry this week. I have more important things to do with my quarters
Wish I still had my Mimi and Richard Farina record.
I still have "Celebrations For a Grey Day."
I'm not a Colts fan, but the refs ABSOLUTELY FUCKING GAVE THE GAME TO THE BOLTS!!!
3 ticky tack penalties in the last drive!
A holding call on the defensive lineman that was bullshit!
Unfuckingbelievable!
Fitz has plenty. He just wants to make sure he puts forth the strongest case with the most indictments. I read over some of his accomplishments the other day...he rarely charges something he doesn't convict on.
Yay Bolts!
Is NTodd going to be in my house this week? Where my children SLEEP?
when was Sha Na Na (sp) I only remember Bowzer.
Moral: don't grab facemasks.
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3 ticky tack penalties in the last drive
Umm, not really...
How can anybody think this is right?
American taxpayers who are ideologically inclined to want a return on their investment in defense industry stocks, et alia
*cough*
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 11:38 pm
Have I told you lately that I love you?
328 yards for Sproles.
DuaneV,Wanker
By a tiny dude, by NFL standards.
American taxpayers who are ideologically inclined to want a return on their investment in defense industry stocks, et alia
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Sick fucks.
Mannings: overrated
By a tiny dude, by NFL standards.
Like they used to say about Emmitt Smith, "too small and too slow" to play in the NFL. They stopped saying that, though.
Richard and Mimi Farina were wonderful.
For I am a wild and a lonely child and the son of an angry land
And now with the high wars raging I would offer you my hand
For we are the children of darkness and the prey of a foul command
Once I was free to go roaming in the wind of a springtime mind
Once the clouds I sailed upon were sweet as lilac wine
Why have the breezes of summer dear been laced with a grim design
Charlie could blow!
NTodd, Trollson
srapple
Wish I still had my Mimi and Richard Farina record.
There's a pretty good best-of CD on, I believe, Vanguard. You can have Joanie, but OOOH Mimi! (My favorite 60s hippie chick.)
It's always puzzled me that the parrotheads love the idea so... - ProfWombat
Post-competitive, post-ambition, nirvana of chronic inebriation.
The actual song 'Margaritaville' hardly celebrates it in lyric;
It sounds like someone in need of a 30 day chip....hungover, bewildered, love lorn, full of regret....tons of fun.
Mannings: overrated
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Nope. Both have rings.
And then there were The Birds, Ronnie Wood's pre-Faces group. Not bad Big Beat shingaling...
bill buckner
A very underappreciated and overlooked group. "You're on My Mind", "Say Those Magic Words" rock!
Colts -- killed by penalties. Not just on the OT drive.
Not that anyone calls Sproles "slow"...
You can't jump a jet plane like you can a freight train
Only if you work for Flying Tigers or Fed Ex.
Is NTodd going to be in my house this week? Where my children SLEEP?
And who are you again?
Fitz has plenty. He just wants to make sure he puts forth the strongest case with the most indictments. I read over some of his accomplishments the other day...he rarely charges something he doesn't convict on.
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Fitz is a good prosecutor.
Does his homework. Fact-checking.
Interviews with people who know.
Very thorough.
Mannings: overrated
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Unlike, say....Tony Romo.
Sorry. He's stalling for a reason. If his track record is as you say, he should have had it before he filed. That was HIS choice and timing. He's called off the Ill legislature, asking them not to impeach while he dicks around. This is beginning to smell. Couple this with letting
Rove and Cheney go on Plame, this is BS. Libby was a willing and available fall guy. I'm not one to stock up on tin foil, but I'm feeling the need for new hat.
Demonstration in downtown Philly over Israel-Gaza conflict.
Can't believe I missed a bad song thread....
There's a pretty good best-of CD on, I believe, Vanguard. You can have Joanie, but OOOH Mimi! (My favorite 60s hippie chick.)
In fact, I think I still have my copy of Been Down So Long, It Looks Like Up To Me.
the Larry Byrds are like my favorite group. plus, they own a car dealership in Indiana
Like they used to say about Emmitt Smith, "too small and too slow" to play in the NFL. They stopped saying that, though.
MarkusB
Remember Dave Meggett and Joe Morris.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the dog!
I got one, I think. The Cowsills' version of "Hair".
Peyton Manning makes great tv commercials.
Is NTodd going to be in my house this week? Where my children SLEEP?
Yes, but only long enough to steal the roast beast and all your prezzies.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the dog!
You sure that wasn't Michael Vick who said that?
Sorry.
In fact, I think I still have my copy of Been Down So Long, It Looks Like Up To Me.
I (heart) that book. And there's an edition around with a Thomas Pynchon introduction.
Moral: don't grab facemasks.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory
In super-slow motion replay he holds his facemask for about 2 seconds, or 2 milliseconds in realtime.
_Bull_Fucking_Shit_.
This ref crew leads the league in penalties.
In the playoffs, you gotta let them play.
Bullshit.
Can't believe I missed a bad song thread....
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
It was SPECTACULAR!
And who are you again?
You should be banned from FDL. You're always off-topic.
(My favorite 60s hippie chick.)
bill buckner | 01.03.09 - 11:44 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
What about Sandy Denny, fer chrissakes?
Fitz is a good prosecutor. I thought it was against the law to expose intelligence agents.
Peyton Manning makes great tv commercials.
For me to poop on!
Mannings: underdefeated.
And, Ole Miss 47 Texas Tech 34
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...er, adding ... /Triumph
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com...lago-extension/
IANAL, so I don't know how common this type of thing is, but it looks like he has his reasons for asking for an extension.
In super-slow motion replay he holds his facemask for about 2 seconds, or 2 milliseconds in realtime
The defensive holding penalty that put them in filedgoal range was legit.
You should be banned from FDL. You're always off-topic.
These days the topic always seems to be "Jews Suck."
Colts -- killed by penalties. Not just on the OT drive.
P O'Neill
the colts were killed by bob irsay long ago.
the Larry Byrds are like my favorite group. plus, they own a car dealership in Indiana
SURELY you have Willie "Loco" Alexander's "Larry Bird" single? "He's a millionaire/playin' in his underwear..."
Thers, at least he won't be trying to kill you off this time so he can have Mary to himself
Colts -- killed by penalties. Not just on the OT drive.
P O'Neill
They were legit flags, too.
That dude grabbed the running back's mask and ripped it.
You just can't do that.
It was SPECTACULAR!
DuaneV,Wanker | 01.03.09 - 11:47 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I don't doubt it.
Actually, it always seems like the same basically innocuous seventies tunes get picked. I'd argue that "Lovin' You" is better than 90% of the output of Sonic Youth and Pavement, and 100% better than anything by the Silver Jews or the Mountain Goats.
I was rootin' for the Colts, but in all candor they were lucky to make it to overtime. There were two very fortunate plays in or near the end zone for the Colts.
And three first downs on penalties on the last drive of the game (in overtime.) I mean, they gave the game away.
Finally, I don't understand why, especially in playoff games, there's this idiotic sudden death. Why not play fifteen minutes so that the team that wins the toss does not necessarily win the game?
Why does NBC have the failed President of the Detroit Lions sitting in for commentary?
Yes, but only long enough to steal the roast beast and all your prezzies.
Like I got presents...
cokes for "Been Down So Long...". Spent too much time trying to think of a witty reference.
What about Sandy Denny, fer chrissakes?
I'm a Judy Dyble man...
i'm really thinking about buying this camera. it shoots videos.
very impressive.
charley
My 7.1 MP Nikon that I paid $99.95 for shoots video. Right here, as a matter of fact:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...h?
v=PlTnlLSF8GA
Finally, I don't understand why, especially in playoff games, there's this idiotic sudden death. Why not play fifteen minutes so that the team that wins the toss does not necessarily win the game?
David Derbes, done till Jan!
DING
DING
DING
Fuck You Boltz!
In super-slow motion replay he holds his facemask for about 2 seconds, or 2 milliseconds in realtime
The defensive holding penalty that put them in filedgoal range was legit.
DuaneV,Wanker
Of the 3 penalties, yes, that was legit.
The defensive lineman, the facemask = bullshit.
These days the topic always seems to be "Jews Suck."
The Kenosha Kid
Oh, get over yourself. Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
Israel DOES suck....
Nire Farina lyrics arising from my memory:
Oh the falcon is a pretty bird wandered as she flew
She danced around and pranced around wherever the warm winds blew
And the falcon is a pretty bird her voice was always still
But men with drums and men with guns they taught her how to kill
Her eye was on the sparrow her mind was on the dove
But no one cared and no one dared to speak to her of love
Her eyes are always hooded her claws are sharp as steel
We teach her not to see too much we teach her not to feel
Jeez they were good...
Willie "Loco" Alexander's
Wow.
Green knee-socks, mmmm.
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Why does NBC have the failed President of the Detroit Lions sitting in for commentary?
keith
Oh fuck. Are we going to have to endure W next summer??
I thought it was against the law to expose intelligence agents.
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Moot point for the ones who announce themselves.
The children are not only not asleep, but playing "Zombie Robot."
These days the topic always seems to be "Jews Suck."
Ah, so Eli's been posting a lot?
Nothing against Ms. Farina, but I'm pretty sure falcons know how to kill in the first place.
Like I got presents...
Thers | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 11:49 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Count your blessings. I got no presents, and my wife spent the afternoon fucking the guy from the service station down the street.
That dude grabbed the running back's mask and ripped it.
You just can't do that.
MP
How far did his neck twist?
It didn't.
You know it.
It was bullshit. Not even a 5 yd penalty last year.
Home field favoritism, pure and simple.
Oh, sorry, I thought you said "Nina Farina". :-/
"That dude grabbed the running back's mask and ripped it."
agreed. that was blatant.
Green knee-socks, mmmm. - QuentinCompson
Heh.
Bolts!
Bolts!
Bolts!
I for sure thought this would be the year of TKK.
If he can't make it at FDL...
1. The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide. Enough hyperbole, this isn't "Another Dresden," "Another Warsaw Ghetto," "Another Holocaust" all of which I have read on FDL lately.
2. There is at least one poster at FDL making the jump from "Israel Sucks" to "Jews Suck and caused 9/11 and WWI"
We teach her not to see too much we teach her not to feel
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We teach everyone else to see, so what the h377?
"That dude grabbed the running back's mask and ripped it."
agreed. that was blatant.
jdw
As was the defensive holding call in the secondary. Colts straight up shit the bed, folks.
You're watching football during World Cup of Hockey week?
You people are strange.
"Why not play fifteen minutes so that the team that wins the toss does not necessarily win the game?"
i like the college version better.
What, everybody's from goddamned San Diego tonight?
What, the owner is an Obama supporter?
Let's not forget the father of the Baez sisters, Albert V. Baez, a very capable Harvard physicist.
Baez's nephew, John C. Baez, is a major guy in quantum gravity.
This blog is even more retarded than usual tonight.
Have fun in your gyrating stench.
These days the topic always seems to be "Jews Suck."
No. I disagree. There are some here who still interpret any criticism of the Israel government as anti-Semitism.
There's a crucial and important difference between anti-Semitism and legitimate disapproval of a government's behavior--especially when the governments of the U.S. and Israel are as tightly intertwined as they are today. That makes it our business, too.
So, it's more likely that people here are not expressing a generalized and blanket anti-Semitism. They are saying, however, that the disproportionate responses and collective punishment engaged in by the government of Israel is unacceptable.
He's still around, sidhra, and was absolutely great at a reunion of the original Boom Boom Band last summer.. Cat rocks pretty hard for a guy who is even older than Simels...
There is at least one poster at FDL making the jump from "Israel Sucks" to "Jews Suck and caused 9/11 and WWI"
The Kenosha Kid
Well, that's obviously a moron Troll, and should be dismissed completely, unlike most people posting here. That was a gross generalization.
What, everybody's from goddamned San Diego tonight?
What, the owner is an Obama supporter?
Elias
Uh, no. Not everybody. SD Sucks.
Count your blessings. I got no presents, and my wife spent the afternoon fucking the guy from the service station down the street.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
I can't help but think that this may just be about well, something else ...
These days the topic always seems to be "Jews Suck."
Huh. It must be overrun with Islamofascists.
gyrating stench
Band name.
I think OT should be decided by the coaches thumbwrestling--or even better the cheerleaders could wrestle in a pit of baby oil. Or maybe the coaches. I dunno.
In the world of Conspiracy Theory, you can NEVER go wrong by blaming everything on TEH JOOS!
They're like the Swiss Army Knife of shadowy evil.
the disproportionate responses and collective punishment engaged in by the government of Israel is unacceptable.
montag
They are indiscriminately killing civilians, bombing mosques and forbidding the press and red cross from entering Gaza. They are murderers.
And, Ole Miss 47 Texas Tech 34
the only team to beat the future Champions beats TTU? and I was there for the ass whooping.
cool
"Israel sucks" "Jews suck"
That is all.
I'm enjoying the uptick in "this blog sucks" trolls.
But I'm lame like that.
1. The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide. Enough hyperbole, this isn't "Another Dresden," "Another Warsaw Ghetto," "Another Holocaust" all of which I have read on FDL lately.
Actually, it is another ghetto...
Montag, see my post above. I'm talking about Firedoglake, and yes, there are people over there who don't seem to know the difference between the Israeli Goverment and Jews in general.
I'm sure it was the reference to Hamilton, Joe-Frank and Reynolds that brought on the gyrating stench comment.
I think OT should be decided by the coaches thumbwrestling - MarkusB
Windsprints! First Canary wins.
I can't believe TCM has 5000 Fingers of Dr. T on now.
About the earliest movie I recall from early kidhood, along with Niagra from the same year.
http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title.j....jsp?
stid=75073
Scary Seuss.
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Here's the rest of the song:
Go build you a log cabin on a mountain so high
And hear the feathered war-birds yell as she goes screaming by
She'll tease you she'll please you she'll satisfy your needs
But someday she might turn around and maul the hand that feeds
Your hours might be numbered your end might come someday
Go break her chain and free her brain and send her on her way
And the falcon is a pretty bird wonders as she flies
She asks us easy questions we tell her easy lies
I don't think they view the falcon as innocuous, but they do see a moral difference between man's use of them in war and their natural predatory ways.
(more)
These days the topic always seems to be "Jews Suck."
Unfortunately, some Jews DO suck.
As do some WASPs.
Fortunately, the perfidious Jews are outnumbered by loveable smartasses like Simels and Sarah Silverman.
There's a crucial and important difference between anti-Semitism and legitimate disapproval of a government's behavior--especially when the governments of the U.S. and Israel are as tightly intertwined as they are today. That makes it our business, too.
So, it's more likely that people here are not expressing a generalized and blanket anti-Semitism. They are saying, however, that the disproportionate responses and collective punishment engaged in by the government of Israel is unacceptable.
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Brilliant.
Way to get beneath the surface
What m said.
Very cool, Mr. Buckner.
gyrating stench
Band name.
sidhra
Or, Jeffraham's cat.
In the world of Conspiracy Theory, you can NEVER go wrong by blaming everything on TEH JOOS!
That official that called the face mask penalty? A Jew.
1. The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide. Enough hyperbole, this isn't "Another Dresden," "Another Warsaw Ghetto," "Another Holocaust" all of which I have read on FDL lately.
How many civilians do you have to kill to get there, hmm?
Because we're already well on our way.
Count your blessings. I got no presents, and my wife spent the afternoon fucking the guy from the service station down the street.
That's bad. But at least maybe you can get a discount on your next lube job.
"Israel sucks" "Jews suck"
That is all.
Ooops. should be "Israel sucks" does not equal "Jews suck". My bad.
There is at least one poster at FDL making the jump from "Israel Sucks" to "Jews Suck and caused 9/11 and WWI"
The Kenosha Kid
Given the number of Stormfront types who used to post that shit on Indymedia, and the number of classic, lulz-seeking trolls, out there, I wouldn't necessarily tar FDL with that brush.
Though Eli's sympathies are certainly suspect. He once sent me an MP3 of the Horst Wessel Song.
In super-slow motion replay he holds his facemask for about 2 seconds, or 2 milliseconds in realtime.
Facemask is a no-no. Risk of a broken neck is too great. You gotta keep your hands off the cage, man.
I can't believe TCM has 5000 Fingers of Dr. T on now.
How can you not like an elevator operator who sings about the various levels of the dungeon?
My 7.1 MP Nikon that I paid $99.95 for shoots video. Right here, as a matter of fact:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...h? v=PlTnlLSF8GA
doug r |
lots of cameras shoot vids, get real
frankly i thought the vid function was just a gimick, i'm more interested in the 21 megapixels, but clearly the vid is not a gimick.
The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide. Enough hyperbole, this isn't "Another Dresden," "Another Warsaw Ghetto," "Another Holocaust" all of which I have read on FDL lately.
Commenters or front page posts?
Brings to mind Robinson Jeffers' 'Hurt Hawks':
I'd sooner, except the penalties, kill a man than a hawk;
but the great redtail
Had nothing left but unable misery
From the bone too shattered for mending, the wing that trailed under his talons when he moved.
We had fed him six weeks, I gave him freedom,
He wandered over the foreland hill and returned in the evening, asking for death,
Not like a beggar, still eyed with the old
Implacable arrogance.
I gave him the lead gift in the twilight.
What fell was relaxed, Owl-downy, soft feminine feathers; but what
Soared: the fierce rush: the night-herons by the flooded river cried fear at its rising
Before it was quite unsheathed from reality.
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/h...poem/hurt-
hawks
Yeah, I was just being glib re: the falcon--big difference between rustling up grub and killing for the political designs of a whole other species.
1. The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide. Enough hyperbole, this isn't "Another Dresden," "Another Warsaw Ghetto," "Another Holocaust" all of which I have read on FDL lately.
2. There is at least one poster at FDL making the jump from "Israel Sucks" to "Jews Suck and caused 9/11 and WWI"
The Kenosha Kid
But, you agree, they are atrocities, correct?
Of course they're not exactly like any other atrocities, but share some similarities, especially regarding a pre-concentration camp Warsaw ghetto. Similar in the collective punishment nature of it, the apartheid-like structure, the isolation through walls, checkpoints, assassination, former IDF testifying to torture, etc.
YOur second point is predicated on the idea that there is no such thing as cause and effect, therefore it's to be discounted...
I'm sure it was the reference to Hamilton, Joe-Frank and Reynolds that brought on the gyrating stench comment. Good thing I didn't mention Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich.
Count your blessings. I got no presents, and my wife spent the afternoon fucking the guy from the service station down the street.
Tom Buchanan? Izzat you?
I gave him the lead gift in the twilight
Woah.
Not like a beggar, still eyed with the old
Implacable arrogance.
I like that one.
the disproportionate responses and collective punishment engaged in by the government of Israel is unacceptable.
Afuckingmen.
1. The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide. Enough hyperbole, this isn't "Another Dresden," "Another Warsaw Ghetto," "Another Holocaust" all of which I have read on FDL lately
Sorry, asstard, but I didn't draw the comparison to the Warsaw Ghetto first. The IDF did, and they were proud of it.
2. There is at least one poster at FDL making the jump from "Israel Sucks" to "Jews Suck and caused 9/11 and WWI"
Joos caused Moses to wander the Sinai for 40 years. plus, they caused global warming, even though it is still snowing. universally.
"You gotta keep your hands off the cage, man."
at the very least, if you grab it you better let go fast and not use it for leverage to take the dood down.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!
Senator Al Franken - suck on it Cornyn you big fat asshole!!!
That's bad. But at least maybe you can get a discount on your next lube job.
Thers | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 11:59 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I'd rather take it to the guy across town, who refuses to do anything more than jerk off onto her tits.
Ok...I'm frickin' lost here. We go from the Refs gave the game to the Bolts to Jews suck, to no, the Isreali government sucks to Prof. Wombat's tune lyrics to the fact that I did not bang someone's wife all afternoon but the gas station guy did....
I can't keep up. Have fun Atriots!!!!
Count your blessings. I got no presents, and my wife spent the afternoon fucking the guy from the service station down the street.
Hopefully it was doggy style so they could watch reruns of the Osmond's Xmas Special.
Alright ... off to watch The Big Lebowski with the fambly. Catch youse l8r!
Sorry, asstard, but I didn't draw the comparison to the Warsaw Ghetto first. The IDF did, and they were proud of it.
that turns my stomach
Count your blessings. I got no presents, and my wife spent the afternoon fucking the guy from the service station down the street.
I'm hoping this is a joke.
"Senator Al Franken - suck on it Cornyn you big fat asshole!!!"
yeah. now let's see if reid makes him filibuster.
"No. I disagree. There are some here who still interpret any criticism of the Israel government as anti-Semitism."
"Goddamn Fucking Kikes are behind all the shit in this world."
That's anti-Semetic (or a quote from Mel Gibson).
"Goddamn Fucking Israeli Government is indiscriminantly killing innocent civilians in a blatant overreaction to the offenses by Hamas."
That is a legitimate (if a trifle vulgar) comment/complaint.
1. The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide. Enough hyperbole, this isn't "Another Dresden," "Another Warsaw Ghetto," "Another Holocaust" all of which I have read on FDL lately.
Actually, it is another ghetto...
NTodd, Trollson
Ooooooh.
Might have to make the next "Eschaton" to see these 2 together...
the disproportionate responses and collective punishment engaged in by the government of Israel is unacceptable.
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might does not make right.
v disproportionate. obviously.
If Chimpy was running the Gaza invasion, we'd just be at the "stuff happens" phase now.
"Punching this wall does not work."
Then I will punch it hard.
"Punching this wall does not work."
Then I will punch it really hard!
flg,
do the gurlz still crabwalk now'nthen, or are they too dignified for that now?
Finally, I don't understand why, especially in playoff games, there's this idiotic sudden death. Why not play fifteen minutes so that the team that wins the toss does not necessarily win the game?
David Derbes, done till Jan!
DING
DING
DING
Fuck You Boltz!
Deacon Blues |
In college and high school football, as well as the Canadian Football League, an overtime procedure is used to determine the winner. This method is sometimes referred to as a "Kansas Playoff," or "Kansas Plan" because of its origins for high school football in that state.
Once again, the CFL has better rules.
I'm hoping this is a joke.
Libby, | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:04 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Yeah, I was just kidding.
It was actually the guy from the pizza place around the corner. And all she did was blow him.
The IDF came out and BRAGGED that they were using tactics that the Nazis used in suppressing the Warsaw Ghetto in their assault on Hezbollah in Lebanon in '07.
Now they're using them AGAIN in Gaza.
"In the world of Conspiracy Theory, you can NEVER go wrong by blaming everything on TEH JOOS!
That official that called the face mask penalty? A Jew."
Bingo!
You are now qualified to pass out poorly xeroxed manifestos at the next ANSWER protest rally.
clearly the vid is not a gimick.
It's typically 30 frames per second, 640 x 480 AVI or MOV files, but it's still interesting unless you've got a high quality small video cam. The biggest problem besides the low quality, is that those small cameras are prone to too much hand shake, though a ghetto steady cam (google this) can prevent the shake.
I'm putting budget Ben-Gay on my left bicep.
It sux getting old.
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Once again, the CFL has better rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ove...ertime_(sports)
4Legs! Happy New Year to you and the gurrlz
If it has anything to do with money or TV scheduling, NFL OT probably will not change.
I'm still suprised they added 2-point conversion.
1. The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide.
But they do constitute collective punishment.
And the policy of taking out whole families to get to the Hamas leadership (and even murdering them with no trial) sure looks like a war crime to me.
Further, I'll bet quite a few Israelis are just as heartsick over this as I am.
learning the wrong lessons...
Further, I'll bet quite a few Israelis are just as heartsick over this as I am.
fourlegsgood, darksider | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:08 am | # [kill]
Absolutely.
Ali, I know what you mean about hockey. Mlle's SO would be appalled to learn that people are watching football
GravatarI can't believe TCM has 5000 Fingers of Dr. T on now.
oh shit, I forgot. thankz
If it has anything to do with money or TV scheduling, NFL OT probably will not change.
The NFL, like Rick Warren, James Dobson, and Pat Robertson, worships Mammon first and everything else a distant second.
4Legs! Happy New Year to you and the gurrlz
thanks sally! happy new year to you and your family as well
2. There is at least one poster at FDL making the jump from "Israel Sucks" to "Jews Suck and caused 9/11 and WWI"
The Kenosha Kid
Clearly anti-Semitic.
How about, "The actions of the Israeli government as supported by a succession of US administrations, has led to the hatred and resentment that helped fuel the retaliatory attacks of 9/11?"
Or is that too non-George Carlin-esque?
Ah, yes -- the $14 SteadyCam™
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I'm putting budget Ben-Gay on my left bicep.
It sux getting old.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
It is Saturday night. Please don't confuse it for the tube of KY.
"Yeah, I was just kidding.
It was actually the guy from the pizza place around the corner. And all she did was blow him."
Well why didn't ya say so in the first place??? Whew! You had me worried there.
Further, I'll bet quite a few Israelis are just as heartsick over this as I am.
Definitely.
You'd never know this, though, if the morons of The Village have anything to say about it.
I like how the 8 oz bottle Cokes come in an 8.5 oz bottle for the holidays.
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Absolutely.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
Here we go, being all reasonable and stuff.
Further, I'll bet quite a few Israelis are just as heartsick over this as I am.
fourlegsgood, darksider | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:08 am |
Yup.
Israeli newspaper sez Chimpy is negotiating "truce" only with other Arab countries
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...es/
1052481.html
I hate what's going on in Gaza. I want everybody to just stop trying to kill each other right now.
An old friend of mine and I used to scheme about how women could stop wars. She had this great idea about a battalion of mothers who would set up tents in the middle of the zone and just feed everybody. A DMZ diner.
check your garage, you might have something cool you forgot about...
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/...e-57s-atalante/
It is Saturday night. Please don't confuse it for the tube of KY.
macacawitz
I'm sure JP can tell his elbow from his asshole.
Oops. My homebrew SteadyCam, I means.
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Elias, please fuck off and die for once in your miserable life.
It was actually the guy from the pizza place around the corner. And all she did was blow him
Which reminds me, I'm sorry if the pizza was cold.
1. Israel's government, Israel's population, Israeli Jews, American Jews, AIPAC, Likud and Zionism are all quite separate things, as are Islam, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Fatah, Wahhabi Islam, Shi'a Islam, Sunni Islam and so on.
2. Violence begets more violence in the Middle East, as elsewhere and elsewhen. It takes courage to refrain from it when faced with it. The burden falls, seems to me, mainly, though not exclusively, on Israel, by far the strongest economic, military and social entity in the region, to press for peace with the vigor, commitment and relentlessness usually reserved for war.
check your garage, you might have something cool you forgot about...
I don't even have a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!
(no one will get that)
Ali: I'm sure JP can tell his elbow from his asshole.
Well, THAT was certainly uncalled for...
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Which reminds me, I'm sorry if the pizza was cold.
MarkusB | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:10 am | # [kill][hide comment]
I wouldn't know. She ate it with the guy next door, and his bicurious wife.
uncalled for...
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
but impossible to resist.
Further, I'll bet quite a few Israelis are just as heartsick over this as I am.
fourlegsgood, darksider
Many Jews have opposed Israeli policy for decades, including Noam Chomsky, Mordechai Vanunu, and the Peace Now activists, to name a few.
So, given all of that, wanna fuck?
"Ali: I'm sure JP can tell his elbow from his asshole.
Well, THAT was certainly uncalled for..."
And yet, we still don't know.
I blame TEH JOOS!
Well, now that they've dropped the 2000 pound bomb, maybe everyone can get along? Or at least talk?
I disagree with 2(A) Prof, but it's too late to argue it.
Ali, I know what you mean about hockey. Mlle's SO would be appalled to learn that people are watching football
Sallyh, Sad Grandmere
Canada scores with 5 seconds to go to tie the game, then wins in a shootout for a shot at the gold medal in the the 2009 World Junior Championships in Ottawa. The U.S. was eliminated yesterday to Slovakia. Their goalie couldn't stop a beach ball with a tennis racket.
Further, I'll bet quite a few Israelis are just as heartsick over this as I am.
Many, many more than we're led to believe here....
And the policy of taking out whole families to get to the Hamas leadership (and even murdering them with no trial) sure looks like a war crime to me.
the fact that the elected government and Prime Minister of Palestine didn't flee immediately to their hardened concrete bunkers, with their communication and safety personnel, but instead chose to huddle with their families in their apartments and mosques, or underground, while a withering aerial bombardment rained down upon them, and instead placed their families and neighbors in the flight path of IAF missiles, well, that's the real crime here
2. Violence begets more violence in the Middle East, as elsewhere and elsewhen.
yes
you think they'd learn that by now
it's not too surprising that peeps don't like having their land stolen or their children killed or their homes blown up (that goes for both sides).
This vid has more of the SteadyCam usage...
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Oops I meant 2(B), that the burden is on Israel. I don't like the potential double standard.
Once again, the CFL has better rules.
doug r
Let's face it, the Candadians are just better at running things than we are.
Fairer. Less angry. More reasonable.
If McCain had been elected, my wife and I, no kidding, were moving to Vancouver.
macacawitz | 01.04.09 - 12:13 am
Wait...the US has a hockey team?
Dear Penthouse Forum: I never believed I'd be telling my story to you-- let alone the at least 60 visitors online...
Chris Tucker: And yet, we still don't know.
Hey -- I don't even let the doctor wag his finger in my FACE.
.
I'm just sick of the destruction.
Obviously, the IDF is hell-bent on utter destruction of Gaza, and Hamas isn't gonna stop taking pock-shots until there's some resolution.
They're both fucking knobs, IFAIK. They're acting like a two kid brothers fighting over the top bunk.
Many, many more than we're led to believe here....
montag | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:14 am | #
anyone with a brain can figure it out.
I've known many israelis in my life - not a one of them was a bloodthirsty monster.
Elias, please fuck off and die for once in your miserable life.
fourlegsgood, darksider
Please check my post of 12:13am.
I think we could make fireworks visible to most of the Western Hemisphere.
Ventriloquist on a comedy show dog years ago:
Makes a puppet of his hand by putting a mini-wig on his knuckles and lipstick on the side of the thumb and index finger.
Puppet begins making comments about how poorly it's going, finishing with, "John, I don't think you know my ass from your elbow."
It was actually the guy from the pizza place around the corner. And all she did was blow him.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:06 am
That made me laugh but I'm afraid I still don't have a clever retort.
Further, I'll bet quite a few Israelis are just as heartsick over this as I am.
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Exactly. People who want to talk about these sort of things in broad brushstrokes announce their ignorance from the word go.
They might as well admit they don't know wtp they're talking about.
montag | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 11:55 pm | #
what he said.
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Wait...the US has a hockey team?
Ali
Uh...no.
GravatarDear Penthouse Forum: I never believed I'd be telling my story to you-- let alone the at least 60 visitors online...
from way out west
GO ON...
BTW, it's Bush's fault that Hamas is even in charge in the first place.
Bush is such an asswipe.
later Atriots. I'm still trying to get my mind around the prospect of cheerleaders wrestling to determine overtime games. The key variable, obviously, is vegetable oil or not. It is perplexing.
Let's face it, the Candadians are just better at running things than we are.
Fairer. Less angry. More reasonable.
Yes, but how can they not be more cool-headed? They do live in Canada, after all.
If McCain had been elected, my wife and I, no kidding, were moving to Vancouver.
David Derbes, done till Jan! | 01.04.09 - 12:15 am |
I had such thoughts myself. Still not out of the question. I find myself attracted to Vancouver (also England and Amsterdam).
"I like how the 8 oz bottle Cokes come in an 8.5 oz bottle for the holidays."
That's how THEY get you!
Damned JOOS!
4Legs, not that the Republitards would understand that.
I've had a number of friends travel to Israel. They claim that US Jews are far more militant with regards to Israel than the Israelis are. Contrary to what we're led to believe, many have friends who are Palestinian or others of Arab descent.
1. The atrocities Israel is committing aren't anything like genocide.
there is always a 'worse' atrocity but it doesn't minimize 'this atrocity' to its' innocent victims or to the citizens of the better world who give a shit - are the Palestinians no more than vermin that can be attacked and killed in the hundreds without so much as a fair hearing in the world's court or passionate pleadings in their defense and justified condemnation of their attackers?
That Dr. Seuss was one twisted guy. He and Naismith are the reasons that we don't nuke Springfield, MA.
BTW, it's Bush's fault that Hamas is even in charge in the first place.
Bush is such an asswipe.
fourlegsgood, darksider |
NOW we're getting somewhere.
2. Violence begets more violence in the Middle East, as elsewhere and elsewhen. It takes courage to refrain from it when faced with it. The burden falls, seems to me, mainly, though not exclusively, on Israel, by far the strongest economic, military and social entity in the region, to press for peace with the vigor, commitment and relentlessness usually reserved for war.
I of course agree about violence begetting more violence. And I've oft thought that the more powerful enemy needs to be "the bigger man" as it were, but as David McReynolds notes, it's necessarily the ones who are oppressed who have to rise to the challenge. And nonviolence is actually a tool of the strong...
I thought they didn't have the Happy Fingers method in the fifties, and that was part of the problem.
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I had such thoughts myself. Still not out of the question. I find myself attracted to Vancouver (also England and Amsterdam).
MarkusB | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:17 am | #
Vancouver is a gorgeous city.
That made me laugh but I'm afraid I still don't have a clever retort.
Libby, | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:15 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Actually, just to show you what an ogre she really is, she just asked me why I'm telling lies about her on Eschaton instead of editing her thesis like I promised.
David D, Monsieur and I were investigating my obtaining a British passport (I'm first generation US born; at least in the past, there was something akin to right of return).
This Yeats is more a propos:
Man is in love and loves what vanishes,
What more is there to say? That country round
None dared admit, if Such a thought were his,
Incendiary or bigot could be found
To burn that stump on the Acropolis,
Or break in bits the famous ivories
Or traffic in the grasshoppers or bees.
NOW we're getting somewhere.
doug r | 01.04.09 - 12:18 am | #
Clearly I should be in charge of the world.
Actually, just to show you what an ogre she really is, she just asked me why I'm telling lies about her on Eschaton instead of editing her thesis like I promised.
"Editing her thesis" = Worst. Euphemism. Ever.
I think Dr. Terwilliker can easily be blamed for spawning some of this violence.
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It's perfectly reasonable for Israel to try to stop the rain of missiles from Gaza.
The bombing does not seem to me either effective or reasonable. In principle the invasion could actually be less destructive, but it depends a great deal on the skill of the invaders and the forbearance of the invaded.
I have no idea how to handle this. I don't blame the Israeli government for taking action, but this particular action seems to me unlikely to do what they want, and likely to generate a new (or perhaps, a larger) generation of people who want to harm Israel.
If you have more power, a strong military, more money and stronger allies, you have more freedom of action than if you are dirt-poor, disorganized, poorly armed and equipped, ill educated, backed in haphazard manner by powers with their own domestic ills and agendas and like that. With that wildly disproportionate freedom of action, seems to me, comes a different level of responsibility. Not, to repeat myself, all the responsibility.
I've had a number of friends travel to Israel. They claim that US Jews are far more militant with regards to Israel than the Israelis are.
I've heard that very consistently over the years from people I know who've visited or lived there.
Armbrister call? Joos. Bucky Dent? Joos. Game 6 of 1986 Series? Joos. Pedro in the 8th? Joos.
Sallyh, I understand entirely.
4Legs, I would sleep better at night if you and the gurrlz were running the world--you for strategy and tactics, the gurrlz for keeping the Alien Carrot of Doom at bay.
Actually, just to show you what an ogre she really is, she just asked me why I'm telling lies about her on Eschaton instead of editing her thesis like I promised.
Tell her that editing is delicate business and you must be in the correct frame of mind.
I suggest U start with a plushy fix
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/2...y-new-
year.html
ProfWombat, once again, we bow before you...
Look, let us all understand that many Jews are very conflicted and understandably so. They love their people and their country, and we should all respect that. I'm motivated by the horrendous history of the Jewish people, and their horrific victimization. It kills me to see them resort to such inhuman means. My heart aches because I believe their actions are creating more hatred and resentment for them.
I don't know what else to say...
Bill Buckner, one of the best descriptions of Springfield I ever heard:
Springfield is where you go to score heroin if you're new to Massachusetts and don't know anyone.
I of course agree about violence begetting more violence. And I've oft thought that the more powerful enemy needs to be "the bigger man" as it were, but as David McReynolds notes, it's necessarily the ones who are oppressed who have to rise to the challenge. And nonviolence is actually a tool of the strong...
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When there really is such a thing as a clean slate, you might have something there.
Plushy New Year!
Things are looking better all the time
My business may fail, 'cause there's a shortage of Jews in Nashville, but... why do you hate America, people?
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"US Jews far more militant"
makes sense, sort of like the Cuban exiles in Miami... easier to hold strong feelings from a distance, up close things can be grayer.
If you have more power, a strong military, more money and stronger allies, you have more freedom of action than if you are dirt-poor, disorganized, poorly armed and equipped, ill educated, backed in haphazard manner by powers with their own domestic ills and agendas and like that. With that wildly disproportionate freedom of action, seems to me, comes a different level of responsibility. Not, to repeat myself, all the responsibility.
Well that's it, in a sum.
The onus is on Israel right now, because they hold all of the cards. The whole thing is gut-wrenching.
are the Palestinians no more than vermin that can be attacked and killed
No.. condemn their attackers to your heart's content. But hyperbolic historical analogies don't contribute to understanding the current situation.
It kills me to see them resort to such inhuman means. My heart aches because I believe their actions are creating more hatred and resentment for them.
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ZOMG. Mark the time and date.
Agreed.
I suggest U start with a plushy fix
Man, I thought that was gonna be something else entirely.
It disturbs me that I clicked it, thinking that...
Gorgeous kittehs, though.
I don't like the potential double standard.
Sadly, when it's such an asymmetrical environment--a few Israelis dead, hundreds of Palestinians; a few billion in military aid to Israel, a few hundred million in economic aid to the PA--it's not entirely unreasonable to expect the folks with the big guns to stop oppressing and killing the oppressed, further developing matrices of control, etc.
BTW, it's Bush's fault that Hamas is even in charge in the first place.
Bush is such an asswipe.
The truly ironic thing about this is that the Israelis originally supported Hamas, helped its development, as a means of blunting the influence of the more secular PLO, as a sort of divide and conquer strategy, just as it had done to a lesser degree with Hezbollah in Lebanon.
But hyperbolic historical analogies don't contribute to understanding the current situation.
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What TKK said.
Jeebus, where were you earlier?
MarkusB, in these parts, plush has its own meaning.
Man, I thought that was gonna be something else entirely.
It disturbs me that I clicked it, thinking that...
R U new here?
what else would it be? good god man, get a grip.
Armbrister call? Joos. Bucky Dent? Joos. Game 6 of 1986 Series?
..BILL BUCKNER
I blame Bigfoot.
With that wildly disproportionate freedom of action, seems to me, comes a different level of responsibility. Not, to repeat myself, all the responsibility.
ProfWombat | 01.04.09 - 12:20 am | # [kill][hide comment]
I think it's usually pretty safe to place most of the blame on the people who have most of the power. And to consider whether and how they benefit from the ugly situations they always seem to find themselves in.
It's pretty easy to look at the US hard right that way. I don't see why the same logic shouldn't apply to the Israeli hard right.
NTodd: entirely agreed that nonviolence is more an option for the strong. That's very much part of what I'm saying, though I'd add, and would guess you'd agree, that there are many forms of strength, and challenges confronting oppressors as well as the oppressed. This stuff is deadly serious, and wicked hard to be glib about such that it fits into a well-crafted paragraph of bloggy goodness.
I deeply admire McReynolds, too; he's been around a long time...
hyperbolic historical analogies don't contribute to understanding the current situation.
Oppression is oppression. It's not hyperbole to call it thus. Gaza is a ghetto, writ large.
What doesn't contribute to understanding the current situation is crying antisemitism if people dare speak critically of the Jewish State.
Now, let's consider the US in Iraq..."insurgents" there are outgunned and liberals, et al, think the US has to be the bigger person and withdraw. Why is that not the same filter to apply to the IP conflict?
Well, goodnight all. I'm hopin' that Manning the Younger has a better game than Manning the Elder.
Go Gints!
(nothing personal, Andy...)
The truly ironic thing about this is that the Israelis originally supported Hamas
True.. it was a perfect storm of Israeli intransigence and Fatah corruption that made Hamas the main player.
Barry, AK -- My favorite bigfoot blogger
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Actually, just to show you what an ogre she really is, she just asked me why I'm telling lies about her on Eschaton instead of editing her thesis like I promised.
Oh my. That does sound serious. I can imagine your inner conflict.
but it depends a great deal on the skill of the invaders and the forbearance of the invaded.
I'll take "IRS-Funded Invaders for $500, Alex" as to that particular outcome, David
easier to hold strong feelings from a distance, up close things can be grayer.
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These pretzels are making me thirsty.
Seuss was marching to a different conga drummer.
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It's pretty easy to look at the US hard right that way. I don't see why the same logic shouldn't apply to the Israeli hard right.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
Will you _ever_ acknowledge that both parties in the US are responsible?
Ever?
The truly ironic thing about this is that the Israelis originally supported Hamas, helped its development, as a means of blunting the influence of the more secular PLO ... montag
it's easier to 'demonize' , and therefore mobilize support, against the radical Islamists - than the reasonable and peace seeking moderates - that "Art of War" guy was a fucking evil genius ...
Why is that not the same filter to apply to the IP conflict?
The Iraqis aren't launching missiles at our cities.
what else would it be? good god man, get a grip.
I wasn't implying anything. I know you are a recovering kittenslave.
Probably just past my bedtime.
"Things are looking better all the time"
is there good news?
Uncle B, no, but I suspect there will be eventually.
What doesn't contribute to understanding the current situation is crying antisemitism if people dare speak critically of the Jewish State.
Now, let's consider the US in Iraq..."insurgents" there are outgunned and liberals, et al, think the US has to be the bigger person and withdraw. Why is that not the same filter to apply to the IP conflict?
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Ding ding Ding!
And to consider whether and how they benefit from the ugly situations they always seem to find themselves in.
It's pretty easy to look at the US hard right that way. I don't see why the same logic shouldn't apply to the Israeli hard right.
Yep.
Look at the situation back in 1999 - things were fairly peaceful (hell, Bethlehem had tourists for the millenium) and it looked like things were heading toward a two-state solution at long last.
So what happens? fucking Ariel Sharon goes to the Temple Mount in 2000 and blows the whole thing up.
No one can tell me that wasn't deliberate.
No.. condemn their attackers to your heart's content. But hyperbolic historical analogies don't contribute to understanding the current situation.
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:24 am | # [kill]
Have you read Eyal Weizman's "Hollow Land"? I'm not sure it's possible to be hyperbolic about the situation he describes.
I'd add, and would guess you'd agree, that there are many forms of strength, and challenges confronting oppressors as well as the oppressed.
Absolutely.
4Legs, it did seem particularly deliberate--and utterly malicious.
I know you are a recovering kittenslave.
Recovering?
don't be redonk
there is no recovery - the slavery is eternal
..BILL BUCKNER
Whose injury was orchestrated by joos, EVERYBODY knows that! (Have actually encountered very little Anti-Semitism in the City of Cod. The Vermont of my youth is another story entirely...)
I blame Bigfoot.
Barry fom Alaska 01-20-09
Bigfoot is Jewish?
against the radical Islamists
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First you have to buy into that premise.
Sounds like the cycle is changing re: what constitutes radical approach.
The Iraqis aren't launching missiles at our cities.
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:28 am | # [kill]
If we shared a border, they probably would be. They are launching them into the Green Zone.
but it depends a great deal on the skill of the invaders and the forbearance of the invaded.
I'll take "IRS-Funded Invaders for $500, Alex" as to that particular outcome, David
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
What I was trying to say, Mrs I A-J, is this: Bombs do not discriminate. Five daughters were killed a few days ago. My perhaps naive belief is that a IDF soldier would not willingly shoot five little girls.
It could be that some in Gaza are not very happy that Hamas is lobbing missiles at Israel, but that they are fearful of standing up against this stuff. Those Gazans might like nothing better than for the cops to come and throw the artillery guys into the brig.
I do not know if the IDF will act as cops, but I do think they could be less destructive than bombs. That doesn't mean they will be. But I have to hope for the least terrible outcome of a bad situation.
Bigfoot is at the bottom of everything.
bastard
No one can tell me that wasn't deliberate.
No way it wasn't.
But Sharon was a special kind of asshole. It's a shame that fuck even had a whiff of power.
Clearly I should be in charge of the world.
fourlegsgood, darksider
or people like you.
right or wrong, dead is dead.
Bigfoot is Eli?
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Why is that not the same filter to apply to the IP conflict?
The Iraqis aren't launching missiles at our cities.
The Kenosha Kid
Now you're being intransigent.
Did history begin with the Hamas rocket launches?
You're better than that.
You know Israel refused to honor the June ceasefire stipulation to end the blockade.
YOu know Israel has implemented its assassination policy against Palestianians _with extreme prejudice_.
Cause and effect when it suits you?
there is no recovery - the slavery is eternal
Still, at some point don't you sort of graduate to cat staff?
Really and truly, goodnight.
May the killing stop.
What doesn't contribute to understanding the current situation is crying antisemitism if people dare speak critically of the Jewish State.
Sigh. This is the functional analog of the people who complain that the negroes keep playing the race card.
There is obviously a lot of anti-semitism out there and the readiness of people to use Israel's atrocities to fuel complaints about how "the Jews" should have learned from the Holocaust or are provoking anti-semitism, or lack the quality of mercy found in the New Testament, or keep insisting that they are the "chosen people" or any number of other slurs, is obvious too.
Big foot is not who you think he is.
I wish Bigfoot would've thrown his shoes at Bush about eight years ago.
I must have doped off.
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I do not know if the IDF will act as cops, but I do think they could be less destructive than bombs. That doesn't mean they will be.
I am not hopeful about that.
I'd like to see peacekeepers there - real neutral troops who would be impartial.
The Iraqis aren't launching missiles at our cities.
Just at our troops. Or are they not Americans?
No one can tell me that wasn't deliberate.
fourlegsgood, darksider
And what did Clinton do to stop Sharon?
Those Gazans might like nothing better than for the cops to come and throw the artillery guys into the brig.
I am sure there are Israeli mothers right now who are shocked, simply shocked, that their sons in the Navy are lobbing shells into Gaza, in direct contravention of the Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 33.
shocked, I tell ya
Now, let's consider the US in Iraq..."insurgents" there are outgunned and liberals, et al, think the US has to be the bigger person and withdraw. Why is that not the same filter to apply to the IP conflict?
there is another similarity: the insurgents (Iraqis) want the US off their land and the Palestinians want the Israelis off their land ... (or what's left of it)
Still, at some point don't you sort of graduate to cat staff?
MarkusB | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:33 am | #
No.
Sigh. This is the functional analog of the people who complain that the negroes keep playing the race card.
No, it's not. When somebody criticizes the Israelis, it's not antisemitism. Yet when somebody does, there's usually somebody around to cry antisemitism. But please keep trying to feel aggrieved!
Markus, staff implies we get paid.
We work for the chance that they will deign to allow us to be close to them.
Big foot is not who you think he is.
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Ok, I give.
Who is?
I am not hopeful about that.
I'd like to see peacekeepers there - real neutral troops who would be impartial.
fourlegsgood, darksider | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:34 am | #
I have zero hope that the Israeli troops will do anything but kill more innocents and create more misery. But the entire concept of neutral forces is a sick joke post Sbrenica.
The Iraqis aren't launching missiles at our cities.
The Kenosha Kid
And what % of those rockets are landing on internationally recognized _illegal_ settlements?
I love that little Bobby Plant sigh on the lead in to Whole Lotta Love.
Where are all the usual knee-jerk reactionaries who cry "Palestinians must recognize Israel" - a state that refuses to recognize Palestinians as human beings.
Good night.
I would like to change teh channel but Ripley is intensely interested in this ghost show on history channel.
Cyd Charisse on deck on TCM.
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4Legs, I would have liked to have seen the 5000 Fingers of Dr. T, but Monsieur has spent the last three hours watching a meandering French film with no apparent plot line.
NTodd, where is NTodd's Pa and what did you do to him?
No, it's not. When somebody criticizes the Israelis, it's not antisemitism. Yet when somebody does, there's usually somebody around to cry antisemitism. But please keep trying to feel aggrieved!
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:36 am | #
As someone who argues that the Final Solution failed and that it would have failed sooner if there had been civil disobedience and who, in general, refuses to face up to the moral consequences of pious pacifism, you don't have much credibility on the subject.
4Legs, I would have liked to have seen the 5000 Fingers of Dr. T, but Monsieur has spent the last three hours watching a meandering French film with no apparent plot line.
That's TERRIBLE!!
I did get to watch Serenity earlier.
I'm fading fast. good night lovely people. Dream of peace.
I'm currently listening to Warren Zevon's cover of "Raspberry Beret".
4Legs, I love Serenity. We own it, fortunately.
Missing Dr. T--now that's love.
a state that refuses to recognize Palestinians as human beings.
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They have been pretty objectified, haven't they?
And yet the threats to do more of the same keep coming. *sigh*
Israel kept withholding money that was owed to the Palestinians, denying electricity, water, food, and medicine, assassinating and imprisoning and bombing elected officials and innocent people in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, and were still illegally holding Hezbollah prisoners of war for 28 years.
Fourlegs, Sallyh, okay. I love kittehs. More kittehs, less rockets.
I do think much of the problem continues as it has because of the tight linkage between the right wing in Israel and the right wing in this country. There are just too many similarities to ignore (see a long comment of mine to that effect here a day or two ago).
The Forward did a survey a couple of years ago, and found that most (roughly 70%) had very moderate views toward Israel and saw peace as an absolute necessity--for Israel's good--even if it meant giving up land taken by force.
Not at all oddly, about the same percentage identified themselves as liberals, Democrats, or the equivalent.
The right wing can only keep power (as we've seen here in the 2004 election) by scaring the bejesus out of the people, and furthering the very circumstances that bring them to power. I don't see much difference in tactics there or here, except that here, even liberal politicians are inclined to bend to right-wing views, because of a longstanding foreign policy posture of the United States to treat Israel as its very own bulldog on a long chain in the Middle East (a policy that's been in place ever since the U.S. suspected that Israel had begun production of nuclear weapons).
One thing for sure, though. Both the United States and Israel will probably destroy themselves, from within, if they continue thinking that overwhelming arms and the use of overwhelming force are the only path to safety and security.
sallyh: some of those movies have plots that revolve around the absence of plot. I wind up renting a Bruce Lee/Basil Rathbone double feature sometimes if overexposed, just to get a sense of linear narrative restored...
Reminds me of the notion of general relativity that the interval between events is the key, rather than any notion of space and time as independent or constant entities...
That was the provocation. Israel baited and baited and baited Hamas and Hezbollah until they both finally responded, and than Israel pounced.
Markus, stick around--all wonderful cats all over the blog.
ProfWombat, I understand what you're saying, but I really get impatient for someone to be devoured by a large, hungry reptile.
Markus, stick around--all wonderful cats all over the blog.
Sallyh, Sad Grandmere | 01.04.09 - 12:41 am | #
Thanks, I will--I've been around for a while, I just lose my mind and de-lurk once in a while.
montag: all true. I'd add that the structure of the Israeli government, and its political landscape, inordinately empower the hard right and ultraorthodox...
Dr. T is no Dr. Phibes, that's for sure.
Fourlegs, Sallyh, okay. I love kittehs. More kittehs, less rockets.
MarkusB
Sigh.
Someone please explain about the particle accelerator and the rocket to the sun.
kai, thx, bai
sallyh: well, that'd work for me, too. Nothing helps a T. rex gulp down a tax lawyer more than a little mustard and garlic...
ProfWombat, now be nice. My second brother is a tax attorney/CPA.
Who would have preferred to have been a high school economics and government teacher.
Dr. T and the Women
(ashamed to admit I have a copy of that)
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If you look at the Israeli cabinet, you can see that the government there has absolutely no possibility of a coherent policy - only the Shas members have a clear objective and that is simply to extract more funds for their superstition schools.
Goddamn, there was some good music when I grew up.
I suppose the young'uns like their music now, but crap, there aren't so many top-notch acts to choose from,compared to when I was coming up.
And get off of my lawn.
As someone who argues that the Final Solution failed
Because it did fail, despite your attempts to define it to "win".
and that it would have failed sooner if there had been civil disobedience
It would have. Schindler, the entire Danish population, the Rosenstrasse, all shout at you but you refuse to hear.
and who, in general, refuses to face up to the moral consequences of pious pacifism
It's so nice that you want to actually discuss nonviolence instead of being pious yourself.
you don't have much credibility on the subject.
Says the guy who wields antisemitism as a cudgel and refuses to consider different lessons from the greatest conflagration of human history. Next you'll tell me Hiroshima was a great success, too! Bully for you.
I will add that I'd comment about the awful situation in the Levant if I had anything to add that hasn't already been said. It's horrible, I want it to stop, and I worry about where it all could lead.
"Someone please explain about the particle accelerator and the rocket to the sun."
As everyone knows, the particle accelerator is a cat toy.
The rockets to the sun, real.
As someone who argues that the Final Solution failed and that it would have failed sooner if there had been civil disobedience and who, in general, refuses to face up to the moral consequences of pious pacifism, you don't have much credibility on the subject.
rootless-e, stuntman
There are plenty of instances of non-violent resistance to the Nazis, including the Danish and the internal White Rose movements, but thanks to historical denial, you can point to it as ineffective...
One thing for sure, though. Both the United States and Israel will probably destroy themselves, from within, if they continue thinking that overwhelming arms and the use of overwhelming force are the only path to safety and security.
montag | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:41 am | # [kill][hide comment]
This assumes that the goal is safety and security. What if the goal is overwhelming arms and the use of overwhelming force?
As someone who argues that the Final Solution failed and that it would have failed sooner if there had been civil disobedience and who, in general, refuses to face up to the moral consequences of pious pacifism, you don't have much credibility on the subject.
As opposed to your own bottomless credibility.
As opposed to your own bottomless credibility.
Thers | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:47 am | # [kill][hide comment]
He's received the official stamp of self-approval. That's not enough for you?
I must take a short recess, but I shall return.
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I suppose the young'uns like their music now, but crap, there aren't so many top-notch acts to choose from,compared to when I was coming up.
And get off of my lawn.
MP | 01.04.09 - 12:46 am | #
I agree.
Niece is still mad at me for dissing her favorite artist. And for telling her her generation haz no taste.
None. THEY SUCK!!
Phila, I think that's the crux of the problem. The goal isn't safety and stability--it's chaos, deliberately designed.
NTodd: alas, when some criticise Israel, it is indeed anti-Semitism, just as when some criticise Obama, it's because they're racist, and Hilary Clinton because they're sexist. In no way does this mean that Irsael (or Obama or Clinton) are above criticism. It does mean that one requires of critics substance. There's plenty of that with respect to Israel's actions with respect to the Palestinians and in Gaza. We should restrict ourselves thereto, and demand it of others, and be careful who we let into our tent. The enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend.
This assumes that the goal is safety and security. What if the goal is overwhelming arms and the use of overwhelming force?
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:46 am | #
Eeeek!
well, they do haz a lot of toys that go boom
This assumes that the goal is safety and security. What if the goal is overwhelming arms and the use of overwhelming force?
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
But only by the fascist right, correct?
No liberal complicity involved. They're magically immune from maintaining the empire...
goddamn Flyers ...
The rocket to the sun has never been directly assessed, has it?
Yes, the object model drops the booster (big deal),
as do all others. The cute nicknames they have for it aren't really a matter of interest to me, either.
I am not satisfied with that level of inquiry.
Are you?
when some criticise Israel, it is indeed anti-Semitism, just as when some criticise Obama, it's because they're racist, and Hilary Clinton because they're sexist.
Absolutely. Which is why it's not helpful to just call people that when there are legitimate criticisms, and even simple musing about "lessons learned"...
He's received the official stamp of self-approval. That's not enough for you?
I feel oddly unsatisfied.
This assumes that the goal is safety and security.
And after kicking the ass of everyone on the globe conventionally, we immediately got scared as shit and had to hide behind bigger and bigger thermonuclear weapons.
The cute nicknames they have for it aren't really a matter of interest to me, either.
Cats don't give nicknames.
They just love the fizziks of the thing
empire...
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The question has always been about what kind of empire (or republic or whatever)
Weren't we talking PE earlier?
Intramurals?
The rocket to the sun has never been directly assessed, has it?
I find myself more intrigued by this "particle accelerator" cat toy.
I feel oddly unsatisfied.
Have some bacon
so few people so many strawmen...
I feel oddly unsatisfied.
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You're an excellent writer.
Ask.
And after kicking the ass of everyone on the globe conventionally, we immediately got scared as shit and had to hide behind bigger and bigger thermonuclear weapons.
We are Spathi?
NTodd: sure; those who criticise those who substantively oppose Israel's actions with a reflexive accusationof anti-Semitism are both wrong, and deeply destructive.
Have some bacon
I like bacon.
Good SNL-late 60s song satire...
If we're scared militarily, how the fuck does Costa Rica sleep at night?
so few people so many strawmen...
nick carraway
I have strawarmy ...
Phila, I think that's the crux of the problem. The goal isn't safety and stability--it's chaos, deliberately designed.
Sallyh, Sad Grandmere | 01.04.09 - 12:49 am | # [kill][hide comment]
I definitely think that's a big part of it. And the terms of debate have an eerie tendency to justify actions like these, IMO. Taking governmental calls for "security" at face value is not always wise.
My default position is that what looks like the breakdown of the system is the system functioning as intended. It's not always true, but it seems to me like the best assumption to start from.
MP: quite well; Costa Rica doesn't have a standing army...
This assumes that the goal is safety and security. What if the goal is overwhelming arms and the use of overwhelming force?
I think it's all woven together. In Israel today, one in four jobs depends upon either the IDF, arms production or arms sales.
Here, about sixty percent of all manufacturing assets are owned by corporations doing business with the Pentagon.
I do think safety and security are part of the equation, though. The powerful and the wealthy have the most to lose in any sudden upset, foreign or domestic, of the political status quo. That's why I think many views in this country that we ordinarily consider maniacal are, from the perspective of those whose wealth or power is potentially threatened, utterly necessary.
The wealthy in this country were greatly fearful of Bolshevism. They'd lose their money and power if such happened here. Hence, even ninety years ago, people like Hoover were making their bones on things like planning the Palmer Raids....
particle accelerator
http://smg.photobucket.com/
album...nt=IMG_3876.jpg
and here
http://smg.photobucket.com/
album...nt=IMG_3868.jpg
clearly NOT a toy
I have no idea how to handle this. I don't blame the Israeli government for taking action, but this particular action seems to me unlikely to do what they want, and likely to generate a new (or perhaps, a larger) generation of people who want to harm Israel.
David Derbes, done till Jan!
Didn't BushCo insist on free elections? Then reject the results, vow to dismantle Hamas? Fucking idiots.
Now there are 200K U.S. troops in the region that are going to become targets from any and all peoples in the region.
As someone who argues that the Final Solution failed
Because it did fail, despite your attempts to define it to "win".
What's your definition of "failed"? A few survivors?
It would have. Schindler, the entire Danish population, the Rosenstrasse, all shout at you but you refuse to hear.
And if the Balts and many Poles and Russians had been willing to risk their lives to help their jewish neighbors instead of collaborating with the Nazis we'd be discussing fantasy, not actual history.
Says the guy who wields antisemitism as a cudgel and refuses to consider
You keep defending yourself against an accusation I have not made.
different lessons from the greatest conflagration of human history. Next you'll tell me Hiroshima was a great success, too! Bully for you.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:46 am | #
Hiroshima, of course, worked. The US destroyed the Japanese will to resist by incinerating hundreds of thousands of innocent people. My point is that massive violence has often been a successful tactic in human history. Athens still flourishes and Melos is a memory. The lesson the Zionists learned from the Nazis is that people who do not have armies get worthless sympathy from the rest of the world. That's a lesson the Palestinians have also learned.
1 minute ago from Gaza twitter:
"Heavy fighting in Gaza reported in four spots in the north: Gaza City, Beit Hanun, Beit Lahiya and Jabaliya."
http://english.aljazeera.net/
new...6531937971.html
Bacon is delicious.
Bully for you.
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heh
My boyz has particle accelerator!
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Well, there was this huge Red Army, just proven capable of military effectiveness and utter ruthlessness, looking at a devastated Europe, the Eastern European nations had been subjugated, and the Soviets had just detonated a nuclear weapon. And the Holocaust and other events had just demonstrated the utter absence of a lower limit to the capacity of humans for evil.
There was stuff to be afraid of. And, of course, that fear was pressed into domestic political use, and so it remains...
My boyz has particle accelerator!
Excellent!
Kittehs R naturally good at fizziks
Hiroshima, of course, worked. The US destroyed the Japanese will to resist by incinerating hundreds of thousands of innocent people. My point is that massive violence has often been a successful tactic in human history.
rootless-e, stuntman
Just as Mission _has been accomplished_ in Iraq. The oil is now effectively privatized, the US has established permanent bases, and the empire continues.
I understand your point. It's value-neutral...
But only by the fascist right, correct?
No liberal complicity involved. They're magically immune from maintaining the empire...
Elias | 01.04.09 - 12:50 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Of course liberals are complicit. The right demands policies that are bloodthirsty, and liberals tone them down just enough to put a human, "compassionate" face on them.
They play other roles, too, in other areas, some of which are more laudable than that. But in terms of "maintaining empire," liberals are absolutely complicit; it wouldn't be possible without them, IMO.
Every other American is complicit too, of course, but not at the policy level.
See, what makes you such an incredibly tedious person is that you're always mistaking the utterly fucking obvious for your own private epiphany.
Anyway, laundry, etc.
bbl
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See, what makes you such an incredibly tedious person is that you're always mistaking the utterly fucking obvious for your own private epiphany.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 1:04 am | #
I lurves U
My point is that massive violence has often been a successful tactic in human history.
rootless-e, stuntman
I suggest that it always has.
Athens lost the Peloponnesian war to Sparta, actually; the Spartans were the best at violence. As, in their time, were Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler.
Look on their works, ye mighty, and despair...
I have no idea how to handle this. I don't blame the Israeli government for taking action, but this particular action seems to me unlikely to do what they want, and likely to generate a new (or perhaps, a larger) generation of people who want to harm Israel.
Well, if you came to power by promising to defend the citizenry from terrorism, is it to your advantage to maintain a steady supply of terrorists against which to wage neverending war?
Is that not what's happened by this country's government in the last seven years? The "war on terror" will go on for decades, and yet, that war on an abstraction has been instrumental in creating more of the terrorists necessary to wage that war....
How very circular, and how very convenient for a particular political class....
Jeffraham, LarryElvis has become quite the physicist
See, what makes you such an incredibly tedious person is that you're always mistaking the utterly fucking obvious for your own private epiphany.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
What's tedious is having to finally get this out of you after months of pulling teeth.
What was I thinking? I threw out all of the junk food and now I want a snak.
Feh.
My point is that massive violence has often been a successful tactic in human history.
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define success.
history suggests it's been an utter failure so far.
What's your definition of "failed"? A few survivors?
It's a bit more than that, and the Reich collapsed, with a Jewish State now in existence. The Final Solution was supposed to be the total eradication of Jewry in Europe. Sorry, but it didn't work.
And if the Balts and many Poles and Russians had been willing to risk their lives to help their jewish neighbors instead of collaborating with the Nazis we'd be discussing fantasy, not actual history.
It's called learning lessons. I'm not revising history, I'm saying what can be gleaned from it. Collective action works if there is, you know, a collection of people acting. The individuals and organizations that did act did good, and if we worked harder to foster a willingness to do so there will be greater success.
You keep defending yourself against an accusation I have not made.
Actually, I am not defending myself. Yet you have, on these boards, called people haters of Jews. Sorry about your luck.
Hiroshima, of course, worked.
Yes, I'm sure the Japanese feel the same way. Your humanity is certainly in evidence.
The lesson the Zionists learned from the Nazis is that people who do not have armies get worthless sympathy from the rest of the world. That's a lesson the Palestinians have also learned.
No fucking shit. I've observed, as have others, that there's another fucking lesson to learn. Learn that Hitler lost. Tojo lost. The US lost in Vietnam. The Soviets lost in Afghanistan. The British lost in India. Subjugating a population doesn't win.
"What was I thinking? I threw out all of the junk food and now I want a snak."
Here, you can have some of my baby carrots.
What's tedious is having to finally get this out of you after months of pulling teeth.
Elias | 01.04.09 - 1:06 am | #
boring
montag: recalls to me the officers in 'Grand Illusion', who had far more in common than not, and were doomed...
4Legs, I haz some Dove caramel filled chocolates and Ghirardelli mint cremes left over from our trip.
The day before we flew out, I grabbed a boatload of Christmas candy at 75% off
4Legs, I haz some Dove caramel filled chocolates and Ghirardelli mint cremes left over from our trip.
[sob]
Here, you can have some of my baby carrots.
HERETIC!
At the turn of the century, the governor of West Virginia called in the National Guard to quell miner strikes.
They rode up by train beside the little tent cities, and fired into the tents at night.
The strikers actually knew that they might do that, and had dug sub-surface pits to hide in.
I'm reminded of a line from the Screwtape Letters, something like "to be is to be in conflict" (from one demon to another).
I guess it's true we're just seeing policy in action, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza; "peace" is just a dreamy dream.
"always mistaking the obvious for your own private epiphany"
That's putting it charitably... I would have guessed "willful thickheadedness".
"HERETIC!
Sallyh, Sad Grandmere "
Somehow, I expected such a reaction.
(Tosses all the candy to 4Legs)
Here, you can have some of my baby carrots.
R U CERTAIN that they aren't actually baby aliens?
HUH???
I do think safety and security are part of the equation, though. The powerful and the wealthy have the most to lose in any sudden upset, foreign or domestic, of the political status quo.
Sure. But that's very different from what the words "safety and security" imply in the average newspaper. It's more a matter of avoiding payback than protecting innocent lives, or what have you.
That's putting it charitably... I would have guessed "willful thickheadedness".
nick carraway | 01.04.09 - 1:09 am | #
Try "fucking idiot"
"R U CERTAIN that they aren't actually baby aliens?"
Well then I am merrily culling the herd.
Every other American is complicit too, of course, but not at the policy level.
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not true. there are those who have stood on principle without morally equivocating with an eye to 'consequences'. 1) there need to be more people like that and 2) there need to be fewer people who look upon the sort as though the damages incurred are de facto proof of being on the wrong side of the struggle.
gah. that kind of adherence to the status quo is killing all of us.
Ek, 2% milk is as far down as it goes at Chez H.
The kids took the chocolate cake home last night.
sallyh: we could grate the carrots, caramelize 'em in some butter and brown sugar, make muffins or cake or something...
Well then I am merrily culling the herd.
EkCenTriK
Maxx would be proud
While I grant that baby carrots are delicious, they are most assuredly not proper snack food
via americablog:
One year ago tonight, Obama won the Iowa caucus
http://www.americablog.com/2009/...a-won-
iowa.html
nice video clip.
What was I thinking? I threw out all of the junk food and now I want a snak.
Feh.
fourlegsgood, darksider
I have 6 giant Hershey's Special Dark chocolate bars that I wish I didn't.
sallyh: we could grate the carrots, caramelize 'em in some butter and brown sugar, make muffins or cake or something...
ProfWombat | 01.04.09 - 1:11 am | #
ooooh!!
carrot cake! with cream cheese icing!!
ProfWombat, carrot cake.
I still have a bar of cream cheese left and it hasn't expired
The US lost in Vietnam.
NTodd, Trollson
I believe his point is that, in fact, the US DID NOT lose in Vietnam. As Chomsky points out (got that phila?), what the US did to Vietnam was successful in that it demonstrated that the US would go to any length to project its hegemony, including the near extermination of an entire peasant society.
That we were forced out is irrelevant. What matters is that we can bomb anybody we want into oblivion.
In that regard, we always "win."
4LG: important to get those trans fats into your diet...
carrot cake! with cream cheese icing!!
Win.
I'm off to finish my giant hamburger.
Ranch dressing also goes well with baby aliens.
What's tedious is having to finally get this out of you after months of pulling teeth.
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if you call what you do some sort of generous, ambiguity-tolerating solicitation, you doth deceive yourself.
"Ek, 2% milk is as far down as it goes at Chez H.
The kids took the chocolate cake home last night."
I still have the sweet tooth. But I have developed a fresh fruit fetish again over the last couple of years with an emphasis on apples. But during this time of year it is hard to find good ones on a regular basis. I found carrots seem to be a reasonable substitute.
ProfWombat, I was thinking of you as I made homemade caramel sauce on Christmas Eve.
The vanilla ice cream was simply a delivery vehicle.
sallyh: a woman after my own, er, heart, I guess...
See, what makes you such an incredibly tedious person is that you're always mistaking the utterly fucking obvious for your own private epiphany.
NSA Annoy Trollbot Designers everywhere curse you for figuring out their patent-pending coding advance. until the patent is granted they will maintain radio silence, but once the United States Patent Office makes an official, recorded determination you are a dead man. do you hear them? a dead man.
Actually I do haz a box of Longhorns squirreled away.
I haz to hide my chocolate from teh niece.
(longhorns are chocolate covered caramels with pecans)
Oh, Ehud Barak is on mah teevee claiming to be a "peace seeker"
glad he cleared that up. 
The US lost in Vietnam.
NTodd, Trollson
We couldn't even lose gracefully. We were tossing choppers over the side of aircraft carriers, in order to make room for more coming in.
What's tedious is having to finally get this out of you after months of pulling teeth.
Elias | 01.04.09 - 1:06 am | #
That's exactly why you're so fucking tedious. Typically ideological, the "win" is important to you. The unfortunate truth is that you're a moron, a political fundie, spewing simple-minded shit, most of which is wrong.
boring
fourlegsgood, darksider
Under the covers, I'll be your cream cheese to your carrot cake...
HELL YEAH!!!
Subjugating a population doesn't win.
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hence, revolution.
Gotta get that caramel sauce up there somehow.
Whole civilizations have fallen when they failed to meet this challenge to the heart, soul and intellect with sufficient puissance...
R U CERTAIN that they aren't actually baby aliens?
Dat's the "baby corn". I think they try and make us feel guilty for eating Chinese food.
Ek, one of the nicest things about living where I do is that apples are available year round, and generally of good quality.
We have some Pink Ladies and Honey Crisps, both delicious.
4LG: important to get those trans fats into your diet...
ProfWombat
Well, the doctor haz spoken.
I must obey
The Great Weight Race is on: Mother Buckner has challenged me to lose 40 pounds by Opening Day, and will send me to Jazz Fest for my birthday if I succeed. Mmmm, CELERY!
Oh, Ehud Barak is on mah teevee claiming to be a "peace seeker"
He's a disgrace to the name Barak.
What's tedious is having to finally get this out of you after months of pulling teeth.
Elias | 01.04.09 - 1:06 am | # [kill][hide comment]
I've said it countless times here. I also have a blog that routinely criticizes the role of liberals in American politics in precisely the same terms, including your bete noir Obama. Anyone who's foolish enough to be interested in my opinions can easily get a bellyful there.
In other words, you can blow me 'til I squirt blood, you nattering fraud.
ProfWombat, civilizations based on caramel sauce would be at least as successful as those based on other ideas.
organic baby carrots rule my world, unfortunately.
carrot cake! with cream cheese icing!!
fourlegsgood, darksider
I use tofu cream cheese.
You know what Sue Johannson says about veggy men, don't you?
"Tastes nutty!"
T4TN, I actually steamed some baby corn, snap peas and baby carrots tonight. But that was for dinner, not decadent munching
bill b: smaller portions, daily exercise, even a ten min. walk. Nothing more. that'll do it.
That, and the anticipation of the Yankees, with Sabathia and Teixera, and the new park next to the old park, still not having succeeded in buying a championship...
In other words, you can blow me 'til I squirt blood, you nattering fraud.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
Maybe after the biopsy.
(Sorry, I play dirty.)
Caramel sauce. It's not just for breakfast anymore...
Sleep time. Love you guys. Hang in there...
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damn, that must be one boring thesis.
(Sorry, I play dirty.)
Elias | 01.04.09 - 1:19 am | #
Stupid is not the same as dirty.
You play stupid.
We were humiliated from Vietnam, as well we should have been.
We spent 55,000 young Americans on a failed foreign policy.
Here's one of those opinions Elias had to beat out of me, 'cause I persist in hiding my light under a bushel:
Having been shocked by the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who has said things that would be unthinkable even (or especially) if they were true, we're now well on the road to recovery, thanks to Obama's speech on racism, wherein he distances himself from Wright's "profoundly distorted view of this country," while espousing the healing doctrines of American exceptionalism and business as usual in the Middle East....
In my view, this brings us back inescapably to Obama's vow to combat "the hateful ideologies of radical Islam" (and to defend our staunch ally Israel, and so forth), the very possibility of which requires perpetuating the victimization and racial paranoia and economic stress that Obama decries...to say nothing of the monolithic, undeconstructible faith in our essential "goodness and greatness" that he offers as an antidote to Wright's dour fixation on the people we've killed and tortured despite our generally good intentions.
Let's get over what we've done, so we can do it again, in pursuit of a world that will redeem the bones on which it was built.
send me to Jazz Fest for my birthday
now there's a prize. a great and glorious party, music, drink, foo... no, wait.
seriously, the bestest of times, all American taxpayers must go to Jazz fest, etc...
the 2nd weekend is always better
Speaking of personal epiphanies, conversations this morning sparked a couple of memories and strung a few things together.
Wife and I were discussing it and ended up with a question.
Can a former student request all materials, files etc. related to that student that were generated during his school years?
(Sorry, I play dirty.)
Elias | 01.04.09 - 1:19 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Isn't it pretty to think so?
Wombat,
Exercise is the missing component. Have been eating properly for some time, rarely drink anymore, and aside from demolishing a cheesecake on New Year's eve, take it pretty easy on the sweets. But I haven't had a gym-compatible schedule in a while, and it shows.
It's a bit more than that, and the Reich collapsed, with a Jewish State now in existence. The Final Solution was supposed to be the total eradication of Jewry in Europe. Sorry, but it didn't work.
The Jewish state is not in Europe. What was Jewish Europe in 1925 is utterly gone.
Actually, I am not defending myself. Yet you have, on these boards, called people haters of Jews. Sorry about your luck.
Oh sure. When people "explain" that the "chosen people" think God gave them rights to murder everyone in their path, I will call them anti-semitic.
Hiroshima, of course, worked.
Yes, I'm sure the Japanese feel the same way. Your humanity is certainly in evidence.
"works" is a functional description, not a moral judgement.
No fucking shit. I've observed, as have others, that there's another fucking lesson to learn. Learn that Hitler lost. Tojo lost. The US lost in Vietnam. The Soviets lost in Afghanistan. The British lost in India. Subjugating a population doesn't win.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 1:07 am | #
Rose colored glasses hardly begins.
We spent 55,000 young Americans on a failed foreign policy.
MP
which doesn't include the 65,000 lost to suicides afterwords.
Here's one of those opinions Elias had to beat out of me, 'cause I persist in hiding my light under a bushel...
Let's get over what we've done, so we can do it again, in pursuit of a world that will redeem the bones on which it was built.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
Then, let's vote for him and criticize those who refuse to...
Sallyh, I had some last night with snow peas, mushrooms and other stir fried vegetables.
But "decadent" didn't come to mind with the corn. But it came close with the potstickers and a soy/Chinese vinegar/ hot chili sauce and all that.
Which I may have to have ..tomorrow..
which doesn't include the 65,000 lost to suicides afterwords.
1Watt, Hermit
Is that a real number? We still have a lot of homeless Vietnam vets, too... kind of a slow suicide...
Then, let's vote for him and criticize those who refuse to...
Elias | 01.04.09 - 1:25 am | #
Yes, let's. Or we can live is fundy fantasyland, like you.
It's not a real choice.
Wright's dour fixation on the people we've killed and tortured despite our generally good intentions.
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Exactly. But like the Chomsky quote on the other thread stated (paraphrased), discourse is constricted to shallow talking points that don't really matter one way or another. Notice how TradMed buried as "radical" what Wright was saying.
Shorter abashed yet comfortable TradMed:
We can't go there or someone's gonna get hurt.
Pathetic.
Then, let's vote for him and criticize those who refuse to...
Elias | 01.04.09 - 1:25 am | # [kill][hide comment]
That's right. Because unfortunately, you can't escape responsibility that easily.
That's right. Because unfortunately, you can't escape responsibility that easily.
Phila, Spoilt Victorian Child
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Next thread.
If not, you'll be glad to know I'm quite miserable and suicidal...
Chomsky wasn't speaking on "America" so much as he was about "Americorp", for whom humiliating, losing wars are profitable, thus "winning". These are less than complete human beings, and should have no standing.
Is that a real number? We still have a lot of homeless Vietnam vets, too... kind of a slow suicide...
ellroon with shoes
actually I think it was 68K, but I haven't heard numbers for yrs.
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