I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
It's watertiger's birthday
me
ooooooooooooooooooooooo dooooooooo
Yawp!
Gore / Dean 08
Cheney / Satan 08
Satan is on the GOP ticket to moderate the impulses of Mr. Cheney.
anywho Happy Bday...Water Tiggre
That's one terrible latte drinking, sushi eating, volvo driving tropical storm if I've a ever seen one.
is moon still here?
India and Pakistan is celebrating their 60th anniversary of the end of British colonial rule.
so I've been reading Freedom at Midnight: The Epic Drama of India's Struggle for Independence by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre
Moonbootica, Graduated | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 8:21 am | #
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one of my fave books
Heh. TS Dean. That's teh funny.
Back from the top of Croagh Patrick somewhat renewed.
Happy b/day watertiger! Leos rock.
Hil hits this one out of the ballpark, IMHO.
All these global warming hurricanes are going to be the death of us all.
happy birthday to the Tigre.
"I'd love to drive my dog through that. He loves that sort of thing."
- Willard M. Romney
is their anybody who does not believe that the STINK TANKS ...are factories that produce the bs propaganda to fuel the military industrial,congressional,corporate media.....COMPLEX.....boy its nice they get to share our TREASURY ...plenty to go round after the CLINTON /GORE SURPLUS
"Will Marshall III founded the Democratic Leadership Council in 1985 and served as its first Policy Director. He is president of the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI) and a member of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI). [1]
Marshall is Editor at Large of BluePrint Magazine, "DLC's journal of politics and policy." [2]"
http://www.sourcewatch.org/
index...e=Will_Marshall
Happy Birthday, wt.
If it comes to New Hampshire, can it please slow down the MittMentum!
"A study by the National Priorities Project finds that “half of the nation’s eligible poor aren’t getting the food stamps to which they’re entitled.” “We’ve got over 35 million people in this country struggling to get enough food to eat, and 50 percent of all low-income people are not receiving the benefit that is intended to alleviate this food insecurity,” said Greg Speeter, the project’s executive director. “While the food-stamp program provides a vital service, clearly too many people are still going without.”"
http://thinkprogress.org/
The next story will be Hurricane Earnhardt.
It will be a CAT-3 storm and cause many NASCAR fans to drown.
have a very happy birthday watertiger 
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/arch...ives/
003914.php
check this out at TPM, with regard to What's happening in Room 641A of 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco remains one of the most closely-held secrets in the U.S. government. According to a former AT&T employee who assisted two technicians cleared to work in the telecommunications complex on Folsom Street, 641A served as a vacuum cleaner for phone calls and e-mails of terrorism suspects, routing them to the National Security Agency.
The claims made by the ex-employee, Mark Klein, are the basis for a class-action lawsuit against AT&T and affiliated telecoms for illegally harvesting information from U.S. citizens. Tomorrow, reports The Washington Post, judges from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals will decide whether the class action goes forward -- or whether the government is right that 641A is a state secret, and can't be litigated without compromising national security.
we have State Secrets and they are protected by law?
"A study by the National Priorities Project finds that “half of the nation’s eligible poor aren’t getting the food stamps to which they’re entitled.” “We’ve got over 35 million people in this country struggling to get enough food to eat, and 50 percent of all low-income people are not receiving the benefit that is intended to alleviate this food insecurity,” said Greg Speeter, the project’s executive director. “While the food-stamp program provides a vital service, clearly too many people are still going without.”"
http://thinkprogress.org/
D. Lurk | 08.14.07 - 11:08 am | #
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and the rest(including kiddies) eat TAINTED CHINESE SHITTE cause its cheap
If it comes to New Hampshire, can it please slow down the MittMentum!
Jay C.
Not to mention the Huckmentum.
Willard/Bro-Gov '08. Twice the crazy!
we have State Secrets and they are protected by law?
peterboy
Yeppers.
Hands off the People of Iran
No to imperialist war!
No to the theocratic regime!
Hurricanes aren't really my thing. Can some explain the El Nino aspect to all of this?
Willard/Bro-Gov '08. Twice the crazy!
LittlePig
Twice the Gitmo, half the calories!
Already had it last night here in AZ. Power went out around 2am - the APS recording merely listed 'Central Arizona' as having lost all juice. Kinda widespread. Nearly an inch of rain, or about a sixth of our annual rainfall, in under an hour, DOG in hysterics, bit me good, but no major damage otherwise. Hope you all enjoy it as it moves east!
If it comes to New Hampshire, can it please slow down the MittMentum!
Jay C.
Not to mention the Huckmentum.
Willard/Bro-Gov '08. Twice the crazy!
LittlePig | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:10 am | #
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am i wrong to want the eyewall to hover over KENNEBUNPORT for 24 hours?
Twice the Gitmo, half the calories!
Jay C.
Serious contender for Line Of The Day.
Hey! Atrios likes to look at the NHC website too!
we have State Secrets and they are protected by law?
peterboy
Yeppers.
LittlePig | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:11 am | #
not quite. we have a judicial doctrine that is followed by federal judges.
which is FUCKING BULLSHIT because there should be NO FUCKING FEDERAL COMMON LAW
"The strong showing I had in Iowa will cause my campaign to evolv...er, be divinely inspired. Dammit, where's my Slimfast?"
- Willard Mike Huckabee
and the rest(including kiddies) eat TAINTED CHINESE SHITTE cause its cheap
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst
Tainted pet food, toothpaste, seafood and toys have been among the products that made it to store shelves and consumers' homes in the U.S.
My family was living in India all through this time. My grandmother can tell you all about it.
surging on - A suicide truck bombing has killed 10 people and badly damaged a bridge linking Baghdad to northern Iraq.
The attack came on a day US forces said they had killed four people in a raid on the Shia district of Sadr City.
Also on Tuesday, the US military announced the deaths of four soldiers in attacks in Baghdad and Mosul.
The bridge over a branch of the Tigris river collapsed on Tuesday when the bomber detonated his explosives-rigged vehicle at a central section, sending three cars plummeting into the water, police said.
Six people were wounded in addition to the fatalities.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
...DD12AFD8F15.htm
DIDNT WE FIGURE OUT FUCKING FOOD SAFETY 100 YEARS AGO!!
Hurricanes aren't really my thing. Can some explain the El Nino aspect to all of this?
Moe Szyslak
Here
Hurricanes aren't really my thing. Can some explain the El Nino aspect to all of this?
Wind go very fast.
Threadies dead, huh !
Thats what I said
Everybodys misused it
Ripped it off and abused it
Another Atrios plan
Pushing threads for the man
A terrible blow but thats how it goes
Threads on the corner now
And if you want to be a poster, wow !
Just remember
Threadies dead
Were all built up with progress
But sometimes I must confess
You can deal with rockets and dreams
But reality, what does it mean ?
Aint no damned thing said
cause threadies dead
not quite. we have a judicial doctrine that is followed by federal judges.
euphronius
That's the theory, yes. After the Roverization of the American government, I think my position corresponds more closely with reality.
The working poor cannot take time off of work for $10 a month food stamps.
"Tainted pet food, toothpaste, seafood and toys have been among the products that made it to store shelves and consumers' homes in the U.S.
Unrepentant Fenian"
Yes, but think of the cost savings to YOU, the consumer!
Requiring seafood to be free of medical waste is tired regulatory-state thinking that is just gonna hurt Wal-Mart shoppers - the people most in need of cheap products.
Why do you hate the poor HMMM?
Power went out around 2am
Power has always gone out, and always will-- it's the nature of an electric system. But, it seems to me that these outages are happening more frequently, and are taking longer to correct. The infrastructure isn't being maintained, and the repair crews aren't being propoerly funded. That's my read on it, anyway.
Hurricanes aren't really my thing. Can some explain the El Nino aspect to all of this?
AFAIUI, el Ninos increase wind shear in the Atlantic, which disperses the energy of tropical storms.
My family was living in India all through this time. My grandmother can tell you all about it.
Culture of Truth | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:13 am | #
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most awesome place IVE ever been!!!
check this out at TPM, with regard to What's happening in Room 641A of 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco remains one of the most closely-held secrets in the U.S. government. According to a former AT&T employee who assisted two technicians cleared to work in the telecommunications complex on Folsom Street, 641A served as a vacuum cleaner for phone calls and e-mails of terrorism suspects, routing them to the National Security Agency.
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peterboy
Folsom Street in San Francisco?
That'd be amusing if it wasn't such a not-funny thing.
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water tiger.
And yet Leo is a fire sign?
It is a puzzlement.
Thanks, JR, that was exactly what I was looking for.
- Willard Mike Huckabee
Hey Mikey,
The U.S. Census Bureau says that Arkansas' poverty rate is the second highest in the nation. According to the data, Arkansas' poverty rate was 18.8% in 2002, up from 17.1 percent the year before. Mississippi had the highest poverty rate in the nation at 18.9 percent for 2002.
Governor Huckabee remarked that this is even more reason to endorse his plans for educational reform and quoted the old sound byte, "The more you learn, the more you earn."
BRILLIANT!
am i wrong to want the eyewall to hover over KENNEBUNPORT for 24 hours?
sittenpretty
Nah, the good people of K'Bunk don't need that. The interlopers out on Walker Point, however...
DIDNT WE FIGURE OUT FUCKING FOOD SAFETY 100 YEARS AGO!!
euphronius
Ah, but the people want less government. Republicans gave it to them. Problem solved!
Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean!
I guess I'll have to get my Dean Meet-up stuff out of storage.
I love how Bush responded to the fish/mercury issue with "eat less fish."
Amazing this man's mind is.
I hear that train a-commin', it's rollin' around the bend
And I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when
I'm stuck in Folsom prison and time keeps draggin' on
But that train keeps a-rollin' on down to San Antone
When I was just a baby, my mama told me, son
Always be a good boy, don't ever play with guns
But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die
When I hear that whistle blowin', I hang my head and cry
I bet there's rich folks eatin' in a fancy dining car
They're probably drinking coffee and smoking big cigars
But I know I had it coming, I know I can't be free
But those people keep a-movin' and that's what tortures me
Well if that freed me from this prison
and that railroad train was mine
I bet I'd move it on a little farther down the line
Far from Folsom prison, that's where I want to stay
And I'd let that lonesome whistle blow my blues away
he could not have said "eat less fish". that is impossible.
DIDNT WE FIGURE OUT FUCKING FOOD SAFETY 100 YEARS AGO!!
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yes somebody should right a book about the gutting of all the food inspector in this country...ahhhhhhhh,who needs jobs
"Arkansas' poverty rate was 18.8% in 2002, up from 17.1 percent the year before. Mississippi had the highest poverty rate in the nation at 18.9 percent for 2002."
Unrepentant Fenian
Thus the common saying around these parts, "Thank God For Mississippi".
thanks, everyone.
in my honor, the Dow plunges 170 points.
DIDNT WE FIGURE OUT FUCKING FOOD SAFETY 100 YEARS AGO!!
Yeah. But then, we figured out not to invade countries that hadn't done anything to us as recently as the 1960s and look where we are today.
am i wrong to want the eyewall to hover over KENNEBUNPORT for 24 hours?
sittenpretty
Nah, the good people of K'Bunk don't need that. The interlopers out on Walker Point, however...
Jay C.
Tornadoes: Mama Nature's version of surgical strikes.
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Unrepentant Fenian
My band actually does a rocked up version of Folsom prison that we wrote!
in my honor, the Dow plunges 170 points.
watertiger
You so rock!
.,Hurricanes aren't really my thing. Can some explain the El Nino aspect to all of this?
Moe Szyslak
By disrupting the normal patterns of upper atmospheric circulation, El Nino tends to produce conditions that are unfavorable for the strengthening of Atlantic hurricanes by strengthening the Trade Winds there. Basically, if the Trade Winds are really strong, you get a lot of what's called vertical shear, which is to say that the winds are blowing in different directions at different levels. That tends to destroy hurricanes when they encounter it. Conversely, El Nino usually weakens the Trade Winds in the Pacific. The strength of the Trade Winds in the region of the Hawaiian islands is what makes them generally resistant to getting hit by hurricanes. They almost always shear apart as they approach the Big Island. But since there's a weak El Nino event going on now, the Pacific Trades are weaker than normal, and Flossie is gettting through.
in my honor, the Dow plunges 170 points.
Surge!
in my honor, the Dow plunges 170 points.
watertiger | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:17 am | #
Carl Roves resignation has nothing on you.
Ooh! Watertiger gets to blow out the Dow Jones!!
Hippy Barthday, watertiger!
BUNNY FENCE, BITCHES!
A fence built to prevent rabbits from entering the Australian outback has unintentionally allowed scientists to study the effects of land use on regional climates.
The rabbit-proof fence — or bunny fence — in Western Australia was completed in 1907 and stretches about 2,000 miles. It acts as a boundary separating native vegetation from farmland. Within the fence area, scientists have observed a strange phenomenon: above the native vegetation, the sky is rich in rain-producing clouds. But the sky on the farmland side is clear.
DOG in hysterics
Teach Arthur what I taught Speeder, to bark at the storms in fury anger.
Speeder hates the thunder and lightening also. Barking is better than what he used to do, try to climb on top of my shoulders. That's not too comfortable, a 130 lb hound with large bear claws on his paws climbing on you.
in my honor, the Dow plunges 170 points.M/i>
Well you can pull off that low-cut market look.
The electric grid was not built to be used the way that it's being used.
My band actually does a rocked up version of Folsom prison that we wrote!
sj
Very Cool.
The federal government enjoys an absolute privilege that bars discovery of military and state secrets, which may be successfully asserted when there is a reasonable danger that disclosure would jeopardize the national security.[FN1] The privilege may only be asserted by the United States government, through a formal claim of privilege made by the head of the department having control over the matter after he or she has personally considered it.[FN2] If the whole object of a suit and of discovery is to establish a fact that is a state secret, it suffices for a cabinet secretary to determine on personal consideration that disclosure of that fact would impair national security, whereupon compliance with the discovery request is excused in gross, without the necessity of examining individual documents.[FN3]
The courts should accord great deference to the government's assertion of the state secret privilege, although judicial control over evidence in a case cannot be abdicated to the caprice of executive officers. The court should refrain from seeking disclosure of claimed state secrets so long as it is satisfied, from the evidence presented, that a reasonable danger to national security would result from disclosure.[FN4]
ower has always gone out, and always will-- it's the nature of an electric system. But, it seems to me that these outages are happening more frequently, and are taking longer to correct. The infrastructure isn't being maintained, and the repair crews aren't being propoerly funded. That's my read on it, anyway.
Moe Szyslak
Nice, but flawed. The grid in Phoenix has been strengthened conspicuously since my childhood - in summer monsoon season we would lose power -every time- there was any kind of rain storm. -Every- time. This is the first power loss this summer, and given the storm's violence I was surprised that it didn't take place earlier. As well, while power failed across most of Central AZ at around 2am, it was back up at 4.30am - pretty nippy work. I suspect that CA's infrastructure is of concern however - depending on something not happening because it hasn't for awhile is not particularly effective.
Hurricanes have first names. Howard's first name is Howard. This hurricane has nothing to do with 2004 Democratic politics.
What a bunch of stupid blue-staters.
(I kid.)
am i wrong to want the eyewall to hover over KENNEBUNPORT for 24 hours?
sittenpretty
Nah, the good people of K'Bunk don't need that. The interlopers out on Walker Point, however...
Jay C. | 08.14.07 - 11:15 am | #
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yes please an ATLANTIS ending would be teh FANTASTIQUE!
CoT
Got a link for that? Sounds fascinating to me.
The southern Iraqi city of Diwaniya is on tenterhooks as major factions in the predominantly Shi'a capital of Qadisiya province brace for reaction or reprisals to this weekend’s assassination of the provincial governor and the provincial chief of police in a roadside bombing attack.
According to the deputy governor of the province, Dhia Shebr, the investigative committee appointed by the Iraqi prime minister has begun its work, al-Malaf Press reports in Arabic. The four-man committee is under the leadership of Gen. Abd al-Hanin al-Amir, identified as an expert in criminal investigations. The group includes a representative of the Iraqi inspector general, as well as an officer of the Bureau of Investigations, and an expert in explosives, the agency reports.
The bombing blast killed the governor of Qadisiya province, Khalil Jalil Hamza, and the acting chief of the provincial police forces, Brig. Gen. Khalid Hasan, as well as the personal aide to the governor.
http://www.iraqslogger.com/
index...overnor_Top_Cop
Well, I moved from California to Nova Scotia, neither of which have particularly good power repair systems. When the hurricane hit Halifax, power was out for a week, for the entire city.
BUNNY FENCE, BITCHES!
Who will save us from the threat of the Molgolian Bunnies? Who?
Happy Birthday watertiger!
You'll never catch me!
Yo Hecate! Have you heard the EschaCon2 rumors for Philly last weekend in March 2008?
blerb, thanx. A good explanation.
I like the summer AZ storms. They work as a sort of valley swamp cooler. The temps drop from the triple digits, to 80F in minutes when they start.
So, what's global warming going to do to El Nino-- more or less of them?
The sky is always bluer on the other side of the fence.
In Tehran, Iranian and Iraqi oil officials signed a deal to send crude to a refinery in Iran, which would send the products back to Iraq.
Iraqi Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani and Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh, his Iranian counterpart, signed the dual pipeline deal during a visit last week. (Hamaneh was removed from his post over the weekend, though it likely wasn’t related to the Iraq deal.)
Details of the agreement were limited, including how the project would be funded.
Tehran would buy 100,000 barrels of oil a day, to be sent down the 32-inch pipeline from Iraq’s oil capital, Basra, to Abadan, the southwestern Iranian port, Iran’s Press TV reports. The oil would be sent to a refinery in Bandar Abbas and the fuel sent back to Basra via a 16-inch pipeline.
The two sides signed a similar memorandum of understanding about a year ago.
http://www.iraqslogger.com/
index..._to_Turkey_Iran
in U.S. v. Reynolds 345 U.S. 1, the Supreme COurt just invents the state secret privilege. there is no preedent in the Constitution or any act of Congress. it is bogus and bull shit.
Hurricanes have first names. Howard's first name is Howard. This hurricane has nothing to do with 2004 Democratic politics.
What a bunch of stupid blue-staters.
Dean Jones or Dean Martin would be cool names for Hurricanes.
Within the fence area, scientists have observed a strange phenomenon: above the native vegetation, the sky is rich in rain-producing clouds. But the sky on the farmland side is clear.
Culture of Truth
ohhhh, strange phenomenon! When the water cycle is not broken, it works. When the cycle is broken by planting crops that use more water than the cycle provides, it doesn't work.
Boy howdy, how unexpected is that.
But, it seems to me that these outages are happening more frequently, and are taking longer to correct. The infrastructure isn't being maintained, and the repair crews aren't being propoerly funded. That's my read on it, anyway.
That's true. Dereg of the companies was a swindle - the private companies run as for-profit entities that look at stuff like manitaining the infrastructure as it was prior to dereg as too costly.
In addition to not maintaining the infrastructure, the companies are not improving/increasing capacity. In light of the explosion of electronic equipment in the last 10-15 years, the failure to increase the capacity causes outages in peak periods.
But the electric companies are getting rich. My elec bill over the last 2 months is $775.
And we keep the house at 80 degrees.
The feral camels are tearing that bunny fence to shreds.
I'm telling you, Iran is not as misogynistic as a lot of other countries we call our friends. Really.
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It's a mistake to try to compare like that. You could make a good case for Israel being the most gender egalitarian state in the ME, but it has a huge business in prostitution, much of it apparently coerced. One thing doesn't excuse another. I think Iranian society is certainly less violent against women than for example Afghani Pathan or Saudi. Still the religious police in Iran show the usual hatred of women that religious nuts show worldwide. Condemning a teenage girl to death for stabbing a would-be rapist is just evil and inexcusable. Go read Amnesty International reports.
rootless2 | 08.14.07 - 11:19 am | #
BUNNY LINK!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/1...rth/
14fenc.html
btw, MOON, when our Supreme Court invented "state secrets privilege" is cited ENGLISH LAW. THANKS A LOT.
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http://moneycentral.msn.com/
inve..._stock_exchange
Probably we actually haven't been doing food safety very well at all, but just been kidding ourselves ("We're number one!" -- in military spending & per capita health care spending & neither is working worth a damn!) For everything else, not so much
"The bunny fence, as it turns out, failed to prevent rabbits from entering the farmland, but it has successfully blocked kangaroos and emus."
rootless2 | 08.14.07 - 11:24 am | #
it is worth checking out this group - Hands Off The People Of Iran: No to imperialist war!
No to the theocratic regime!
Raindrops keep fallin' on my head
And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed
Nothin' seems to fit
Those raindrops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'
So I just did me some talkin' to the sun
And I said I didn't like the way he got things done
Sleepin' on the job
Those raindrops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'
But there's one thing I know
The blues they send to meet me won't defeat me
It won't be long till happiness steps up to greet me
Raindrops keep fallin' on my head
But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turnin' red
Cryin's not for me
'cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complainin'
Because I'm free
Nothin's worryin' me
one teh sukkkk thing about India though...they have killed 10 million female fetuses in the past few yearzzzzzzz..i guess its way too misoginistic too bad that...the womenzzzzzz should rebel!!!
170 points is like "plunging" off a six inch diving board.
But the electric companies are getting rich. My elec bill over the last 2 months is $775.
And we keep the house at 80 degrees.
Billy B | 08.14.07 - 11:23 am | #
Jeezus effin christ... that's a house payment
I heard this morning a long, long list of toys being recalled because they can kill or permanently damage children. I haven't seen this kind of hazardous toy level since the 1970s. Gotta love those free-market Republican bastards.
You can see teh Bunny Fence in action in the Deforrest Kelly vehicle "Night of the Lepus," which involves giant mutant bunnies.
John Stewart homage to TurdBlossom
As Springsteen sang:
My 401K is going down,
We get dressed up and we go out, baby, for the night
We come home early burning, burning in some fire fight
I'm sick and tired of you setting me up
Setting me up just to knock-a knock-a knock-a me down
India and Pakistan have been celebrating the 60th anniversary of independence from Britain
Seriously, the Australian camels are causing all sorts of problems.
Great, my family is going to the Outer Banks of NC next weekend, and that one is CLEARLY on the "F*ck NC up" track.
sittenpretty -- same thing in China -- ancestor worship requires an eldest son -- single child families means all of the Chinese children that get adopted (like my new cousins) are GURLZ -- it also means that they have a lot of angry young men with not enough women to go around -- maybe an increase in the gay population would not be a bad thing!
But the electric companies are getting rich. My elec bill over the last 2 months is $775
Do you live in Georgia? I have heard such horror stories about electric bills in that state that no wonder so many people can't pay their mortgages...
But the electric companies are getting rich. My elec bill over the last 2 months is $775.
And we keep the house at 80 degrees.
Billy B | 08.14.07 - 11:23 am | #
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jeez where do you live?
You can see teh Bunny Fence in action in the Deforrest Kelly vehicle "Night of the Lepus," which involves giant mutant bunnies.
They're dead, Jim.
Hello Prior ^_^
Jeezus effin christ... that's a house payment
pigboy
Yep. It's painful. Real painful.
What bunnies and camels have in common is copious humping.
Hey watertiger --
Happy Birfday!
Mwah!!!!!!!!!
I heard this morning a long, long list of toys being recalled because they can kill or permanently damage children. I haven't seen this kind of hazardous toy level since the 1970s. Gotta love those free-market Republican bastards.
puppethead
Mainway Toys for real.
Mainway Toys Bag o' Glass
Mainway Toys Johhny the Human Torch.
There is a reason why smart people (like us New Dealers) decided that regulated utilities was a good idea!
You must have a huge house. Or lots of electrical things. Or both.
I like the summer AZ storms. They work as a sort of valley swamp cooler. The temps drop from the triple digits, to 80F in minutes when they start.
Dou,/i>
Truly - that's exactly what they do. I wouldn't trade them for anything - there have been years when the monsoon was so limited that there was major damage the next year on.
sittenpretty, why is Vonage bad? I'm thinking of getting because i'm moving abroad
Percentage of toys sold in the US made in China:
A) 20%
B) 40%
C) 60%
D) 80%
E) 90%
What bunnies and camels have in common is copious humping.
Jay C.
[groan]
sittenpretty -- same thing in China -- ancestor worship requires an eldest son -- single child families means all of the Chinese children that get adopted (like my new cousins) are GURLZ -- it also means that they have a lot of angry young men with not enough women to go around -- maybe an increase in the gay population would not be a bad thing
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very bad application of the ultra sound
Phil Rizzuto died.
Paradise is no longer by the dashboard light...
E?
Yep. It's painful. Real painful.
Billy B | 08.14.07 - 11:29 am | #
Sorry that you have to deal with something like that every two months. It's gotta be painful like you say.
There's nothing 'free' in shrubs 'free' market.
Consumer Reporter: Good evening, and welcome to the holiday edition of "Consumer Probe". Our topic tonight is unsafe toys for children. For instance, this little bow and arrow set. [ holds up ] Pull the rubber suctions off, and the arrows become deadly missiles.
[ cut to full shot, showing Irwin Mainway seated to Joan's right ]
We have with us tonight, Mr. Irwin Mainway, President of Mainway Toys. Uh, Mr. Mainway, your company manufactures the following so-called harmless playthings: Pretty Peggy Ear-Piercing Set, Mr. Skin-Grafter, General Tron's Secret Police Confession Kit, and Doggie Dentist. And what about this innocent rubber doll, which you market under the name Johnny Switchblade? [ holds up doll ] Press his head, and two sharp knives spring from his arms. [ demonstrates ] Mr. Mainway, I'm afraid this is, by no means, a very safe toy.
jeez where do you live?
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst
NE MD.
B'Mo's electric rates just went up 75% in June.
Ours did last year, all at once.
B'mo and the lower parts of MD got the increase in 2 installments.
The bills will go down once it cools off in Sep, but still...
Phil Rizzuto died.
Jeez! What's gonna happen to the Money Store?
Phil Rizzuto died.
Paradise is no longer by the dashboard light...
Holy Cow!!
Phil Rizzuto died.
Alas. I worry an entire generation knew him only from the Money Store.
Celebrations are taking place across Pakistan to commemorate the 60th anniversary of independence from the UK and the creation of the country.
President Musharraf marked the anniversary by staunchly defending sovereignty and calling on the nation to unite against terrorism.
Pakistan is celebrating on Tuesday and India marks independence one day later.
The violent partition of 1947 saw 10 million people cross borders in one of history's largest mass migrations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south...sia/
6945206.stm
I've been reading Freedom at Midnight: The Epic Drama of India's Struggle for Independence by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre, most interesting
Hey Nim!
Congratulations on the nuptials & the baby on board!
sittenpretty -- I saw the ad & thought Vonage was great!
(Here's lookin' at you, kid!")
Planning on EschaCon2 at the end of March 2008?
Bells -- gotta go to church!
can we take Rizzuto out of the HoF now please?
So, what's global warming going to do to El Nino-- more or less of them?
Moe Szyslak
Unresolved
Probably more of them until a steady state is regained.
B'Mo's electric rates just went up 75% in June.
Holy shit.
People must be rioting in the streets.
But the electric companies are getting rich. My elec bill over the last 2 months is $775.
And we keep the house at 80 degrees.
Geothermal is the way to go. Heck, with electrical bills that high $20,000 to retrofit your house would pay for itself in a couple of years.
You must have a huge house. Or lots of electrical things. Or both.
Nope. 2500 ft^2.
Only about 2000 heated and cooled.
You can see teh Bunny Fence in action in the Deforrest Kelly vehicle "Night of the Lepus," which involves giant mutant bunnies.
Jay C. | 08.14.07 - 11:26 am | #
A classic, but it can't hold a candle to Ray Milland in "Frogs."
Those little buggers could gum you to death if you're not careful....
"Rizzuto was selected by the New York Yankees as an amateur free agent in 1937. He played his first major-league game on April 14, 1941. He played for the Yankees for his entire 13-year career, almost exclusively as a shortstop. Like many baseball players, his career was interrupted by a stint in the United States Navy during World War II. From 1943 through 1945, he played on the Navy's baseball team.
Rizzuto was voted Most Valuable Player by a large margin in the American League in 1950, and was the runner-up for the award in 1949. He played in five All-Star Games, in 1942 and each year from 1950 to 1953. In 1950, he won the Hickok Belt, awarded to the top professional athlete of the year.
Rizzuto's 1953 Topps baseball card read in part: "Ty Cobb named the "Scooter" as one of the few modern ball players who could hold his own among old timers"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi...ki/
Phil_Rizzuto
I worry an entire generation knew him only from the Money Store.
I remember Phil from when he, Red Barber, and Mel Allen used to do the play-by-play for the Bronx Bombers back during the Mantle-Maris days.
How 'Bout That!!!
Chapel Hill, North Carolina – John Edwards today released the following statement in reaction to President Bush’s announcement that his senior advisor, Karl Rove, will resign at the end of the month:
"Goodbye, good riddance."
sittenpretty, why is Vonage bad? I'm thinking of getting because i'm moving abroad
celo, epic fuckup | 08.14.07 - 11:30 am | #
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you will NEVER be able to quit them...cause you will never get through...they make it impossible,on 4 consecutive days i tried to get a refund on equipment THEY NEVER SENT TO ME... even though my lawyer wrote to them stating i could not get throug by phone...they still have not refunded my 60 bux....they are impossible
Condemning a teenage girl to death for stabbing a would-be rapist is just evil and inexcusable.
Did I ever say it was right for them to do that? I just said that from the standpoint of their institutions, they're not as bad as a lot of governments we call our friends, and you have admitted to that now, thank you. I am tired of the degree to which everything about Iran needs to be vilified by our media establishment. It is ridiculously counterproductive the way we are posturing towards them --like our idiotic Cuba policy writ large. We should be working at undermining their theocracy through economic engagement and not trying to face them down with saber-rattling bluster. The former strategy would destroy the theocracy in a decade or two. The latter will keep it in power until the end of time, just like Castro.
Consumer Reporter: Alright. Fine. Fine. Well, we'd like to show you another one of Mr. Mainway's products. It retails for $1.98, and it's called Bag O' Glass. [ holds up bag of glass ] Mr. Mainway, this is simply a bag of jagged, dangerous, glass bits.
Irwin Mainway: Yeah, right, it's you know, it's glass, it's broken glass, you know? It sells very well, as a matter of fact, you know? It's just broken glass, you know?
Consumer Reporter: [ laughs ] I don't understand. I mean, children could seriously cut themselves on any one of these pieces!
Irwin Mainway: Yeah, well, look - you know, the average kid, he picks up, you know, broken glass anywhere, you know? The beach, the street, garbage cans, parking lots, all over the place in any big city. We're just packaging what the kids want! I mean, it's a creative toy, you know? If you hold this up, you know, you see colors, every color of the rainbow! I mean, it teaches him about light refraction, you know? Prisms, and that stuff! You know what I mean?
Consumer Reporter: So, you don't feel that this product is dangerous?
Irwin Mainway: No! Look, we put a label on every bag that says, "Kid! Be careful - broken glass!" I mean, we sell a lot of products in the "Bag O'" line.. like Bag O' Glass, Bag O' Nails, Bag O' Bugs, Bag O' Vipers, Bag O' Sulfuric Acid. They're decent toys, you know what I mean?
Bunnies arent just cute like everybody supposes.
I heard this morning a long, long list of toys being recalled because they can kill or permanently damage children
I still mourn the loss of lawn darts.
Moonbootica, Graduated | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:25 am | #
It is pretty clear that the wackos in Iran have benefited enormously from Bush and the invasion of Iraq. The Bushians have boosted every psycho party in the ME - the paranoid argument is more convincing when they really are out to get you.
My electricity usage this year for June and July was down by one third from last year so my utility bill (which combines water & electricity) for the two months was about $450 -- down from about $625 the years before. This year June and July was unusually cool here in the San Fernando Valley. August started out under average in temp, but it's supposed to get up to 105 or so today at my end of the Valley. We'll see what the next utility bill brings.
You can see teh Bunny Fence in action in the Deforrest Kelly vehicle "Night of the Lepus," which involves giant mutant bunnies.
In Slow Motion, yet.
Heathrow is braced for direct action by environmental activists, with fears the airport will be paralysed this weekend by protesters attempting to shut down access roads.
The airport owner BAA has drawn up contingency plans to protect terminals and perimeter fences as it tries to second guess thousands of campaigners gathering for today's launch of an eight-day climate change action camp.
Camp organisers agreed to have four police officers stationed on the site to try to reduce increasing tension between campaigners and Scotland Yard. Protesters yesterday accused the police of heavy-handedness and of needlessly using anti-terrorism powers to stop and search everyone approaching the camp, to prevent any access by vehicles, and to inspect the site.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
transp...2148265,00.html
Sounds like HoF to me.
In Slow Motion, yet.
driftglass
I was delighted that they just built mini sets for the regular-sized bunnies to mill around on. They were pretty well-behaved in th long shots!
How much you want to bet that the porch comes back? I saw a house model that Sears sold in the 1920's. It had a front porch, a dining porch, a kitchen porch, and a sleeping porch upstairs.
The bills will go down once it cools off in Sep, but still...
Billy B | 08.14.07 - 11:31 am | #
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oh thatz awfull what a waste of hard earned money...the middle class is getting squeezed from every end
You can see teh Bunny Fence in action in the Deforrest Kelly vehicle "Night of the Lepus," which involves giant mutant bunnies.
Leslie Nielson was a giant mutant bunny in Day Of The Animals.
That was before he decided to be funny..
My house isn't air conditioned, doesn't need it. And I'm heating mostly with wood. Water is heated with oil, until I get the solar thing installed (next year, I hope.) So, electricity pretty much just powers this computer, and the lights. It's usually under $30.
Telbana torturers update: Prosecutor orders four police sadists arrested
I'll tell ya: Britney Speers and Kevin Federline are proof positive that just because people are fertile, that is not an indication that they should reproduce.
Oh, reefer and freezer are probably half the bill.
I heard this morning a long, long list of toys being recalled because they can kill or permanently damage children
You can have my Happy Fun Ball when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S...h?
v=SXoKm39vROo
HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY, WATERTIGER!
(found my caps key, just for you)
Student activists disappear in Mubarak’s gulag
blerb | 08.14.07 - 11:34 am | #
Obviously many of the people who are so worked up about Iranian mistreatment of women are lying hypocrites. The same stupid trick was used in Afghanistan when after years of ignoring feminist groups complaints about the Taliban, it was suddenly decided that they were bad - as if the Northern Alliance was a champion of women's rights.
Telbana torturers update: Prosecutor orders four police sadists arrested
Moonbootica, Graduated | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:37 am | #
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moon..Freedom at midnight was one of my all time fave books
We should be working at undermining their theocracy through economic engagement
why? what business is it of ours?
Sounds like HoF to me.
Most Similar Players (from http://www.baseball-reference.co...izzuph01.shtml)
. One Hall of Famer (Evers), and only because he was mentioned in a famous poem.
Jose Offerman
Claude Ritchey
Hughie Critz
Lonny Frey
Jim Gantner
Tom Herr
Johnny Evers *
Bill Hallman
Delino DeShields
Billy Rogell
another mattel toy recall:
August 14, 2007
Mattel Issues New Recall of Toys Produced in China
By DAVID BARBOZA and LOUISE STORY
Mattel, the world’s largest toy company, today announced its second major recall in a month of Chinese-made toys contaminated with lead paint. At the same time, it recalled millions of other toys from other sources whose small, powerful magnets could come loose and be swallowed by children.
GWPDA, the Betty Boop rose I put in last spring is doing great, and since I put up the bunny proof chicken wire fence around it, shows no signs of having any problems with 110 degree weather. What I thought was heat damage was instead, those bunnys munching on the fresh growth on the rose.
Phil Rizzuto died.
First Brooke Astor and then Phil Rizzuto?
How much more is NYC supposed to take?
why? what business is it of ours?
euphronius
Shared humanity?
moon..Freedom at midnight was one of my all time fave books
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:40 am | #
its actually owned by my father, when he was in full time work he was a member of a book club and he wanted to know more about the period.
thought it be appropriate!
RIP PHIL RIZZUTO
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20263214/
Electric bill for my 800 sq ft apartment has been holding steady at about $100/month this summer, but now that the unseasonable rains are gone, it's gonna hurt in August.
HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY, WATERTIGER!
Hey! THANKS A WHOLE FUCKIN' LOT!
And thanks, Simels!!
Shared humanity?
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:41 am | #
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i dont follow.
Phil Rizzuto died.
First Brooke Astor and then Phil Rizzuto?
How much more is NYC supposed to take?
watertiger
Naked Cowboy look out.
Mattel, the world’s largest toy company, today announced its second major recall in a month of Chinese-made toys contaminated with lead paint. At the same time, it recalled millions of other toys from other sources whose small, powerful magnets could come loose and be swallowed by children.
linda
Mainway Toys Johhny/Janie Compass.
why? what business is it of ours?
euphronius
Because we are supposed to be about promoting democracy in the world,and Iran's theocracy is undemocratic and unpopular. It is also our fault that they have that shitty government, much the same way that it is our fault that Cuba has Castro.
Chimpy's buddy Hamid Karzai has a new special friend.
i dont follow.
euphronius
Theocratic and other authoritatrian regimes are generally bad for humans. So engaging in behaviour (like economic "dialogue") that allows people to get rid of these regimes is a good thing for humans.
HUZZZZZZZZZZZZZAH
FER WATERTIGER
Chimpy's buddy Hamid Karzai has a new special friend.
P O'Neill | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:44 am | #
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oooooopsie
Georgie is not a sharer
why? what business is it of ours?
euphronius
I suspect the majority of Iranians would like to be rid of the mullahs.
I don't think it's necessarily immoral for us to conduct a foreign policy that facilitates that desire in some way.
The question is how and how much....
Bill Murray riff here:
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday, you big ol' striped wet pussycat you.
Happy birthday to you!
Phil Rizzuto:
one good year (1950).
272 average lifetime.
38 homeruns total. .355 lifetime slugging!
149 stolen bases total.
.968 fielding percentage.
only scored 877 runs.
most undeserving HoFer.
Because we are supposed to be about promoting democracy in the world,and Iran's theocracy is undemocratic and unpopular. It is also our fault that they have that shitty government, much the same way that it is our fault that Cuba has Castro.
blerb | 08.14.07 - 11:43 am | #
i'm sorry did you say 'promoting democracy'?
hahahahaha oh sorry i just don't have much faith in that, a top down approach is patronizing at best, isn't that why we got into trouble with Iraq in the first place?
to me it seems western nations care little about democracy, only when it suits them.
'liberal interventionism' died in Iraq and will hopefully stay buried
Leahy's going to be a Batman villain (actually I don't know but I figured I'd beat right-wingers to it)
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn...leahy-d-gotham/
Naked Cowboy look out.
And Al Goldstein's in Florida.
Why is Rizzuto in the HoF but Jim Rice isn't?
'sfar as I'm concerned, Hurricane Dean is blowing the trash out of DC.
Ride the Blue Wave in '08!
(And happy birthday watertiger. Thanks for making this place so much fun!)
The question is how and how much....
steve simel
Every time we interfere it backfires and makes things worse. Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
Bill Murray riff here:
[snaps fingers, lounge-style]
Phil Rizzuto:
one good year (1950).
...most undeserving HoFer.
euphronius
Let's kill him.
Oh, right.
And a pony!
http://www.mylittleponylive.net/
How much you want to bet that the porch comes back? I saw a house model that Sears sold in the 1920's. It had a front porch, a dining porch, a kitchen porch, and a sleeping porch upstairs.
I pretty much live on my screen porch from April through October. It has a ceiling fan, so even on pretty hot days, it's lovely out there. Plus, lots of shade in the back yard.
How much more is NYC supposed to take?
It would be terrible if a certain, height-challenged ex-mayor were to go next.
hahahahaha oh sorry i just don't have much faith in that, a top down approach is patronizing at best, isn't that why we got into trouble with Iraq in the first place?
Moonbootica
I'm failing to see how engaging in dialogue/interaction is "top down" or patronizing per se.
Happy birthday Watertiger!
I got this just for you, and a whole half-bottle of lilac vegetal too.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/0NAcZNV4.jpg
It is also our fault that they have that shitty government, much the same way that it is our fault that Cuba has Castro.
blerb | 08.14.07 - 11:43 am | #
Bingo!
Every time we interfere it backfires and makes things worse. Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
puppethead | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:47 am | #
The US disinvestment and semi-sanctions on South Africa.
Theocratic and other authoritatrian regimes are generally bad for humans. So engaging in behaviour (like economic "dialogue") that allows people to get rid of these regimes is a good thing for humans.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:44 am | #
um, I disagree. what are you replacing the current system with? "capitalism"? i think the iranians would rather have what they have now than be a US client state.
Tropical Storm "Dean" is so prosaic compared to us.
The question is how and how much....
steve simel
Every time we interfere it backfires and makes things worse. Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
puppethead | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:47 am | #
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60 million dead!
The point is that if you get people to a certain level of economic and intellectual development, undemocratic governments become unsustainable. Iran is already there, basically. If we were not propping up their bad government by suppressing their economic development and providing an external threat to produce precisely the same jingoistic retrogression we've seen here around 9/11, the Ayatollahs would probably be on the ropes already.
Course, lots of people in the ME are outraged at the way we order our society, and would like to "apply pressure" and such to "free" our people from the hazards of living in the west.
It works both ways.
"Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?"
OK, but other than roads, a fresh water system and public health, what else have the Romans ever done for us?
Every time we interfere it backfires and makes things worse. Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
puppethead
The liberation of the South Lecture Hall Annex in Grenada.
It would be terrible if a certain, height-challenged ex-mayor were to go next.
Abe Beame? Is he still alive?
[/runs out of the room]
We were shocked that our electric bill for June was under $200. Everyone around here complains that electric rates recently doubled, but they are still much less than NYC or Long Island.
Every time we interfere it backfires and makes things worse. Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
puppethead | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:47 am | #
meh on us being responsible for Germany. Ill give you japan.
Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
puppethead
Japan and Germany were "converted" by massive influx of cash afterwards.
Nor were they "post colonial".
Cheap though Chinese Toys with lead paint, I feel sure the production contracts signed by Mattel specified lead-free paint and factored in its cost.
I suspect unscrupulous types tried to cut corners and save a bit of dough, kids minds and lives be damned.
The US disinvestment and semi-sanctions on South Africa.
rootless2
I'll give you that. But it seems unusual, economic sanctions haven't worked very well anywhere else.
Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
Carthage.
In the YANKEES I LIIKE ALOT Category the Scooter is up there with Joe Pepitone, Mickey Rivers, and the drunken destruction crew of Mantle abd Whitye Ford
the people in power today have little interest in 'economic dialog' anyways.
Iran is no doubt going to get nuked, which will not be beneficial to the Gulf region at all
I don't really see any improvements in the future these days
I got this just for you, and a whole half-bottle of lilac vegetal too.I got this just for you, and a whole half-bottle of lilac vegetal too.
i love that shot. "Pigs in blankets".
It would be terrible if a certain, height-challenged ex-mayor were to go next.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:47 am | #
You beat me to it, kiddo.
Tropical Storm "Dean" is so prosaic compared to us.
Maybe there'll be two tropical storms at once and the other one will be named Jerry.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/0NAcZNV4.jpg
bloggus | 08.14.07 - 11:47 am | #
perpetual motion!
(think about it)
Why is Rizzuto in the HoF but Jim Rice isn't?
Oh, no! Not another whining Red Sox fan.
It's the height of presumption to assume we can change the way another country half war around the world works. I assume it's a product of our militarism, whether people actually advocate war or not.
.to me it seems western nations care little about democracy, only when it suits them.
Apparently you overlooked that what I said I said was we are supposed to be about promoting democracy in the world, not that we are about promoting democracy in the world.
Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
Carthage.
Tenochtitlan.
Oh, no! Not another whining Red Sox fan.
Kid Charlemagne
My ears are burning!
And Curt Schilling is an ass, but so long as his pitching doesn't suffer from his RPG addiction.
Leahy's going to be a Batman villain (actually I don't know but I figured I'd beat right-wingers to it)
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn...leahy-d-gotham/
attaturk
Cool! Leahy wrote the introduction to a Batman anthology. Uhhh... I mean... that's what someone told me.
what are you replacing the current system with? "capitalism"? i think the iranians would rather have what they have now than be a US client state.
euphronius
I'm saying that they can replace the regime with whatever *they* think is best.
Beame was quoted in the article in the Times on Astor.
And not from the afterlife.
face it yankees fans: Rizzuto is a HoFer because he is a yankee.
Jim Rice, isnt in the Hof because he wants it too much. very strange.
Watertiger! I was going to get you something but couldn't choose. Would you rather have a Castello Leather Torino 4" Hardcase, "Created attending mulct, top-grain leather and well-proportioned gilded ironware, this spacious briefcase is intentional as antidote to character, satisfaction, and organisation. - Inner flap-over separate part - Pen loops - Business cardholder - Sleek unitary stir unresolved suddenly interlock accompanying combining" or the Samsonite Pro-DLX Leather Backpack, "Made of graceful, full-grain leather despite a useable, graceful appear Ergonomic backpack straps, Interior francis scott key hanger,Organizational venire with regard to ready get at to written material utensils, Bottle bearer conducive to ready get at to irrigate then requisite" ?
Abe Beame? Is he still alive?
[/runs out of the room]
watertiger | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:49 am | #
Next time I see you, remind me to do my imitation of Abe Beame playing the piano.
It's a hot one!
Can you name any successes besides Germany and Japan, which came about by massive military invasion?
Carthage.
Tenochtitlan.
The Continental United States, Canada, Hawaii.
'liberal democracy' at least to me is in its twilight years, its like one long Edwardian summer before WW1 broke out.
who knows what will emerge afterwards?
It's the height of presumption to assume we can change the way another country half war around the world works.
Yep, the French Enlightenment had no effect on the US.
OK, forget Jim Rice. Why Rizzuto and not Dale Murphy?
Next time I see you, remind me to do my imitation of Abe Beame playing the piano.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
brownback for president!
it's possible to be so good that some people just don't get it.
...half war around the world
That has to be the best typo ever.
I claim it in the name of Queen Isabella.
Apparently you overlooked that what I said I said was we are supposed to be about promoting democracy in the world, not that we are about promoting democracy in the world.
blerb | 08.14.07 - 11:51 am | #
fair enough, I apologies if I've overlooked
Yep, the French Enlightenment had no effect on the US.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:53 am | #
and, in turn, the arms race had no effect on eastern europe.
We can affect countries halfway around the world much more effectively by economic means (make something I like, I'll buy it; make something that hurts me, I won't) than any other way,
I claim it in the name of Queen Isabella.
driftglass
You can't claim it! It's full of indigenous predicates and adjectives!
I'm saying that they can replace the regime with whatever *they* think is best.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:52 am | #
isnt that what happened? anyway, we are dealing with a fiction here anyway. "what the iranian people want" is unknowable. I believe though, that the government in Theheran now is closer to what the iranians want than any western colonial state we would enforce upon them.
who knows what will emerge afterwards?
George Orwell?
"Am I alive?"
- Mayor Lindsay
Okay, kids. Errands beckon, and then my Phone-A-Friend Vigil for my chum who's tapeing "Millionaire" this afternoon.
When next we talk, I hope to be able to report that she's one in the six figures. Wouldn't that be cool?
"we are supposed to be about promoting democracy in the world"
Really?
we should've just released a flock of butterflies in the air.
I'm sure if they flapped enough Iraq would have become a democracy.
"what the iranian people want" is unknowable.
I think the Iranians have a good chance of figuring it out.
You can't claim it! It's full of indigenous predicates and adjectives!
"Do you have a flaaaaag?"
Hisham Tawfiq: The SS Officer of the Year
It seems to me that several people are trying to maneuver me and JR into a position where we are somehow advocating for some kind of imperialist intervention in Iran, when I think it should be clear that neither of us are talking about that in the slightest. What I am trying to say as clearly as I can is that what we are doing now with respect to Iran is the exact opposite of the policy that is most likely to produce a democratic regime there.
How many poor relatives does she have?
I think the Iranians have a good chance of figuring it out.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:56 am | #
yes. remind me of what that has to do with economicaly undermining the current iranian government?
That should have been "won" in the six figures, not "one."
I regret the error....
yes. remind me of what that has to do with economicaly undermining the current iranian government?
euphronius
"Dialogue" is "undermining"?
we should've just released a flock of butterflies in the air.
A better idea than releasing a flock of bombs in the air. That worked out soooo well.....
Larry King has Priscella Presley on tonight.
That's so lame I can't even parody it.
we should've just released a flock of butterflies in the air.
I'm sure if they flapped enough Iraq would have become a democracy.
No, but if you released a Flock of Seagulls, maybe Iran would.
Hi-yoooo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...h?
v=fx7GqfQCZeg
Yep, the French Enlightenment had no effect on the US.
JR, kerosene
Well-- that worked in two ways, I think: the cultural evolution that the US was a part of. And with military force.
I'm not sure how much Iran is part of the west, culturally speaking. Probably somewhat, and maybe if we left them the fuck alone that aspect would grown.
What's left is military force.
The Current Iranian Government, superceded by unelected mullahs; is undemocratic in the extreme.
blerb, I just don't understand what you mean by "promoting a democratic regime". you mean like we did in Iraq?
because if that is the case, i dont think we should be doing that.
.isnt that what happened?
No it isn't. The revolution went wrong almost from the day it started, and many of the elements who participated in the Shah's initial overthrow were brutally purged by the nutbag Ayatollahs. You must not know too many Iranian expatriates to say that.
who knows what will emerge afterwards?
Thunderdome!
O'Hanlon was on NPR this morning pushing his war. Tom Ashbrook had done his homework, and consistently referred to him as a war "analyst" instead of critic, even asking if he took part in a dog and pony show put on by the military.
O'Hanlon was confronted by a caller with Glenn Greenwald's interview and asked about this:
"O'Hanlon and Pollack were in Iraq for a total of 7 1/2 days. They spent every night ensconced in the Green Zone in Baghdad. They did not spend a single night in any other city. As O'Hanlon admitted, they spent no more than "between 2-4 hours" in every place they visited outside Baghdad, and much of that was taken up meeting U.S. military commanders, not inspecting the proverbial "conditions on the ground."
O'Hanlon got extremely defensive, said he had no respect for Greenwald, and refused to answer the question, saying this should be about policy, not about him.
He didn't even bother with a non-denial denial.
I'm not sure how much Iran is part of the west, culturally speaking.
More than India, the world's largest functional democracy.
How much you figure it costs to animate Larry King's body each night?
We can affect countries halfway around the world much more effectively by economic means (make something I like, I'll buy it; make something that hurts me, I won't) than any other way,
plantsman
I wonder if Americans will be so happy with economic sanctions when the Chinese start using them.
conducive to ready get at to irrigate then requisite" ?
GWPDA, Masterless Historian
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is thata buyers club...cool boots
It's the height of presumption to assume we can change the way another country half war around the world works. I assume it's a product of our militarism, whether people actually advocate war or not.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 11:51 am | #
So you think the Abraham Lincoln Brigade was bad, eh?
we should've just released a flock of butterflies in the air.
or drunk bees. trust me, it's hard to get anything done with them bumbling around.
How much you figure it costs to animate Larry King's body each night?
plantsman
The cost of lithium ion batteries has been going down....
.yes. remind me of what that has to do with economicaly undermining the current iranian government?
euphronius
The point is that ecomomic engagement, i.e. trade, will do much more to undermine their authoritarian government than economic sanctions, i.e. warfare ever will. Why was that so hard to understand?
Politics and principles: John Biffen and Ron Brown
So you think the Abraham Lincoln Brigade was bad, eh?
rootless2
No, I don't. But I think it was presumptious.
Of course not, but if the Chinese think they can blackmail us into buying dangerous products from them, I think they are in for a surprise.
oh jesus. for the ladies...
even more reasons for me to love Clive Owen.
It's the height of presumption to assume we can change the way another country half war around the world works.
actually, i'm all for it. other way, though. like attaching human rights requirements to trade agreements.
and leading by example.
I'm not sure how much Iran is part of the west, culturally speaking. Probably somewhat, and maybe if we left them the fuck alone that aspect would grown.
I must be missing something. Are we suggesting that somehow Persia, like Mesopotamia ceased to be the centers of civilisation? That the two states ceased to be fully modern, fully distinct, fully autonomous somehow? Reverted? Because their systems of government were distasteful to the United States?
regardless of your Wislonian ideals, I think we can all agree that democracy in Iran (and in Iraq) is the last thing the "foreign policy community" wants.
and leading by example.
dirk gently
That would be a good start.
No, I don't. But I think it was presumptious.
Moe Szyslak |
Agreed - plus, would anyone think that foreign involvement of that kind would "change the way Spain works"?
Gotta eat. Later, taters.
if we are talking about aspirations, like waht would be a real good idea, then yes, attaching human rights riders to our trade bills would be great.
So you think the Abraham Lincoln Brigade was bad, eh?
rootless2
No, I don't. But I think it was presumptious.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 12:02 pm | #
I think that there are many ways to do the wrong thing. One is to go bomb someone else's country. Another is to walk away from a crime. I don't see the moral superiority of Dutch soldiers at Sbrenica or Belgian troops evacuating white people from Rwanda and walking away.
On the contrary, GWPDA. I'm suggesting that Iran is probably more, er, civilized (for lack of a better word) than the US. I don't see Iranian troops occupying Mexico, and I doubt many Iranian bloggers discuss the best way to free up American civillians.
the scotsman: protestors are terrorists
Agreed - plus, would anyone think that foreign involvement of that kind would "change the way Spain works"?
Culture of Truth | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 12:04 pm | #
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If more people had been presumptious that way, Franco might have lost and it would have changed the way the world worked.
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETS
Had an Native Indian (just became citizen this week) tell me that he opposes the Dems because they do not oppose the Fundamentalists in the ME enough. That if we were really Liberals we would hate Sharia law...women in burqua etc. I am trying to explain to him that we have a huge problem with the Fundamentalists here at home and have to expend much energy pushing their influence back down. I explained that we do oppose the oppression in the Middle East but that the Fundies here at home are supporting the current maladministration. They are paying lip-service to opposing Mullah rule in the ME because it serves their purposes. Mr Newly American citizen being Hindu doesn't seem to understand how pernicious our own Fundies are. I explained about the "log in one's own eye first" adage and asked whether or not their was a similar tenet in the Hindu faith and he agreed that there was. I think the conversation gave him food for thought. You see as he is here in the Bible Belt, he truly wants to "fit in" and thinks if he could only find a Republican anti-war (Ron Paul) candidate, that he would seem a part of the "in-crowd" and more integrated into our society.
Agreed - plus, would anyone think that foreign involvement of that kind would "change the way Spain works"?
What the hell are you talking about? The Lincoln Brigade were private volunteers who went to Spain to help fight fascists in their civil war. Seems a whole different kettle of fish
to gov't intervention to promote democracy around the world.
.Are we suggesting that somehow Persia, like Mesopotamia ceased to be the centers of civilisation?
Well, my point was basically that it is the current government of Iran that is an aberration with respect to its culture, and that it is our current posture towards that government that keeps its continued existence tenable.
I'll continue this above.
Y'know, there are Americans in the Virgin Islands, too.
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