HULK SMASHED

like I was saying, Herbert today

wow

NYT


Smash!!


GravatarIt's even happening here, mid-morning ridership on non-commuter routes is clearly up. Yay us.


GravatarMe and the Mrs were discussing this yesterday. If my job did not require transporting clients, and driving all over a several county region, I would so be taking the bus to work every day now.


GravatarHerbert today, Eugene Robinson in yesterday's WaPo.


GravatarSpeaking of "sensitive," is John McCain a perhaps a little delicate of sensibility to be running for president? I mean if he sends his lackeys out to complain about "losing his bearings?"

Poor guy. He should find another line of work, probably.


GravatarRidership up on public trans is on CSpan, too.


GravatarDayum, boss must've gotten into the expresso again. Morning, y'all.


GravatarHoJo saying he "had checked all McCain's
bearings and they were fine" was icky.


GravatarWait until gas is $5/gal, mass transit will not be able to keep pace. Don't want to guess where food and other goods prices will be.


GravatarToo bad Amtrak is so crappy and skeletal outside the NE corridor.


GravatarMcCain's bearings are not a subject for this early in the morning.

The new feature I love on our blog is being able to post in advance and go to lunch. elitist, even.


GravatarThat's happening here, too. But the system(s) (here in Halifax anyway, which I've followed closely) can't keep up. The city just passed what would've been an aggressive five-year transit capital plan (new buses and the associated garages)-- five years ago. But now it's entirely inadequate.

Lots and lots of money needs to go into transit, quickly, and the best way to raise that is a windfall profits tax on oil companies, and increasing the gas tax generally.


GravatarThe new feature I love on our blog is being able to post in advance and go to lunch. elitist, even

A retired person's dream, right Ruth?


GravatarMore long-distance freight is being shipped on trains and less by diesel-strapped truckers. As hard as it is for long-haul truckers, the trend is actually good.


GravatarMcStains bearing has rusted, and seized up.


GravatarMoe, putting back in the local train lines and trolleys would be great, here. DART is rebuilding the old Interurban line. Eventually it will get back out here to almost OK.


GravatarMunicipalities can, and should, fund transit expansion through debt financing.


GravatarMore long-distance freight is being shipped on trains and less by diesel-strapped truckers

There are some new diesel trains that can haul 100 loaded freight cars, over a mile on less than a gallon of diesel.

Not many around, but it's a start.


Gravatarplantsman | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 7:07 am | #

eugene robinson yesterday, wow!

wapo


GravatarBarndog, it's ideal, and I'm getting spoiled. I can go dig in the dirt and not have to clean up to go post! even.


GravatarOur transit line has antique photos of "picnic trains" that used to run from Portland out into the country on weekends in the early 20th century. (!)


GravatarRuth-- I'm a huge trolly/streetcar fan. In Toronto the streetcars about three times as efficient as the buses.

My fantasy here is a core streetcar network powered by a tidal generator in the harbour.


GravatarCSX advertises that their trains can "move a ton of freight 423 miles on a gallon of fuel."


GravatarBD: There are some new diesel trains that can haul 100 loaded freight cars, over a mile on less than a gallon of diesel.

saw bunch of those in W.TX. driving out to Albuquerque. Wish there were more of them, fewer big gallumping trucks fighting for space with little me on the roads.


GravatarMy wife, the dog and I had a funeral wake last nigt, a few miles from here.

An indian fellow did a wonderfu; spiritual ceremony, follwed by the peace pipe, etc...some drumming. It was really cool to say the least.


GravatarPeople might even learn how to interact socially with transit acquaintances again.


GravatarCSX advertises that their trains can "move a ton of freight 423 miles on a gallon of fuel."

Unfortunately, the majority of those are in switching yards.


GravatarMy fantasy here is a core streetcar network powered by a tidal generator in the harbour.
Moe Szyslak, cold


tidal! can we harness the energy of all the flushed toilets, too?


GravatarMy wife, the dog and I

You *just* missed one of those serial comma problems there.


GravatarMissed it by *that* much!


Gravatartidal! can we harness the energy of all the flushed toilets, too?
Ruth


Sure you can. And, you probably already do, to some extent (guessing). You put a heat exchange unit on the sewer plant...


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GravatarMA public transport was taken apart in the 70's when train and bus service between towns was replaced with: "all roads lead to Boston".

All routes had to head straight to Boston, connecting only towns along particular routes. It left Salem, MA high and dry, it became a ghost town (until savvy town fathers invented witch tourism).

Even transport to the shopping centers is not public (not on the route to Boston). No way to use public transport here unless you commute to Boston.


GravatarToo bad the Republicans talked us into "deferring maintenance" for all those years and we let the infrastructure go to shit.


GravatarNice boobies. The bird was nice too.


GravatarIn a rational, somewhat sane world, all those people switching over to transit would decrease demand for gas, lowering the price. But that's some other world, not this one.


GravatarWe do have tidal transport, even to the airport. There's more water than land around here. Water taxi is expensive though.


Gravatarso the PM of the USA's greatest ally, Israel, may be indicted for taking bribes

the main witness in the case, an American-Israeli, is worried that Olmert "may harm him"


www.haaretz.com

remember, the President of Israel had to resign because he was charged with rape last year.


GravatarDeamnd for gas has decreased in the US just lately, it may have been cited in the transit article I read yesterday.


GravatarTrains are about the most efficient means of moving large loads. About the only thing more efficient is a pipeline, and they're limited to, well, things one can get to move in a pipeline.

Unfortunately, though, the people running the train system can't decide if they want to invest in the system and keep it maintained, or suck money out of it. For a while, in the early `90s, the system was improved (GPS and RFID-like tags on cars), but, then, seeing profits by doing the right thing, they let them go into disrepair again, started losing cars, etc.

What they still don't do well, however, is move people at a reasonable cost, and Amtrak has closed or moved so many stations that it's now quite inconvenient to even get to the train in a good part of the region west of the Mississippi.


GravatarBut that's some other world, not this one.
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How about when gas is $8.00/gal?


GravatarLet's see... I could care less about Israel myself.

We spend entirely too much of our money supporting their wars of aggression.

Period.


GravatarDiane posts on 'terraism' as the war of bad words. at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com


GravatarAnd another person was nabbed for spying on the US for Israel. The more things change, ...


Gravatarand that Netanyahu and Sharon, two former PM's of Israel, were also under investigation for various alleged criminal infractions


GravatarHow about when gas is $8.00/gal?

About Europe's average cost per gallon.


Gravatarsomeone called Israel a country run by a criminal syndicate and he might have been right on that one.


GravatarAgreed. But the future calls for trains or little mobility.


Gravatarmontag | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 7:23 am | #
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In the lead up to Boston's "big dig" the choice to link Amtrak's north and south stations was abandoned in favor of depressing the main interstate highway and creating more real estate in Boston along the waterfront.

Probably made the old town better, but it's now impossible to join the rail systems.


GravatarHow about when gas is $8.00/gal?

I doubt it. I'm already paying $5/ gallon, and as Barndog points out, Europeans much more.

What's driving the present oil price increase is investment money being taken out of real estate and dumped into commodities. Sure, there are other factors, and long-range issues (peak oil, increased demand globally), but the sudden, very steep increases in price can only be explained by speculation. And I don't see that ending-- where else are they going to put the money?


GravatarTrains stop at several little towns east of Dallas, it's fun to ride for me. But I'm quite patient.


GravatarMorning, rational people.


GravatarThen there were those human footprints and petrified poop from Chile 14,000 years ago, bolstering the coastal migration of humans theory this week, too.


Gravatarwhere else are they going to put the money?
Moe Szyslak, cold


tax free municipal bonds.


Gravatar But the future calls for trains or little mobility.

There ya go.

It's truly in the American spirit that wasteful transportation can be replaced painlessly with some techno switch, but the reality is we have to change the global and even intra-country trade system.


GravatarWe spend entirely too much of our money supporting their (Israel's) wars of aggression.

Period


Amen


GravatarHi, Diane, I already blogwhored the language of Terra!!!

did you see my explanation about the slippers? they came home to LA.


GravatarWhat they still don't do well, however, is move people at a reasonable cost, and Amtrak has closed or moved so many stations that it's now quite inconvenient to even get to the train in a good part of the region west of the Mississippi.
montag


In the NE, Amtrack decided it didn't want to be a commuter rr so did away with the heavily discounted monthly ticket between Wilmington & Baltimore. So now people are driving.


GravatarThese F2 tornadoes in Piedmont NC and Eastern VA are creepy.


Gravatartax free municipal bonds.
Ruth


Nope. Municipalities are going bankrupt. See: popping real estate bubble.


GravatarI use Amtrak at least once a week to travel to Orange County. The Pacific Surfliner (Santa Barbara to San Diego) runs frequently and on time.

It's also become crowded enough that Amtrak has just added cars for the commuter hours.


GravatarThese F2 tornadoes in Piedmont NC and Eastern VA are creepy

trifecta and his family alright?


GravatarIn the lead up to Boston's "big dig" the choice to link Amtrak's north and south stations was abandoned in favor of depressing the main interstate highway and creating more real estate in Boston along the waterfront.


At least you can still connect to one of the two through the subway/bus system. Out here in NM, there used to a train station in Albuquerque, and a smaller one in Santa Fe. Now, both of those are closed, and one has to drive to Lamy (about halfway between the two cities), about 25 miles from one direction and 35 from the other.


GravatarAsheville is West of Gaston(ia) and Greensboro, and he was just around....


GravatarMONTREAL — The cost of air travel for many Canadians surged Friday after Air Canada quietly imposed domestic fuel charges for the first time in four years that could, for example, add an extra $120 for a roundtrip ticket across the country.

The price increases would add $120 a round trip for flights of more than 1,600 kilometres each way. Smaller surcharges would be slapped on tickets for shorter trips.

For example, people flying from Halifax, Montreal and Toronto to Calgary, Edmonton, Regina or Vancouver would pay the highest surcharges as the country’s largest airline tries to recoup soaring costs for jet fuel.

Air Canada applied the surcharge to transborder flights to the United States on Thursday, matching similar moves by the big American carriers. It added the surcharge to domestic trips on Friday.

The new surcharges are $40 return for flights of less than 480 kilometres, $80 return on flights between 480 kilometres and 1,600 kilometres and $120 for longer flights.

The fuel surcharges are effective immediately on all flights booked, the airline says. They weren’t announced and could only be found in the fine print on the company’s website.


GravatarYeah, moe. Some countries pay upwards of $20/gallon.

I'll say it again - fuck that shit.


GravatarMoe, didja know that India is banning futures trading in chickpeas and some other staples,considering a ban on all food? I like that idea.


Gravatartrifecta signed on this a.m.


Gravatartrifecta signed on this a.m.

Cool. Glad things are aokay.


GravatarIt's even happening here, mid-morning ridership on non-commuter routes is clearly up. Yay us.
plantsman | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 7:07 am


Yeah, but you live in commie land.

Here in Dayton I'm not really seeing a major upswing in usage. It may be going up some among actually Daytonians, but among suburbanites, not.

Part of that is that the quality, and therefore reputation, of Dayton's RTA has gone down over the last 10 years. I think suburbanites would rather pay the gas prices than deal with the ill-behaved people on the bus.


Gravatarwe are fine. No tornadoes our way.


GravatarThat's good, Ruth. India might very well see a farmers' revolution. In some ways, it's already happening, over the seed issues.


GravatarI think our elevation helps. Tornadoes don't hit at 2200 feet that often.


GravatarOut here in NM, there used to a train station in Albuquerque, and a smaller one in Santa Fe. Now, both of those are closed, and one has to drive to Lamy (about halfway between the two cities), about 25 miles from one direction and 35 from the other.
montag


Gee, I took the train into the Albuquerque station just last September. Has it closed since then?


GravatarMarket speculators are going to go to oil with stock returns so unreliable. They'll drive up gas prices for everyone to stay in Manhattan.


GravatarCool, trifecta. I hate hearing bad gnus.


GravatarYeah, we get weirdos and crazies on the transit sometimes, but most people are nice and even thank the drivers before they disembark.


Gravatar150 miles north of home - hardly any leaves, and at home we're around 75% leaf right now.


GravatarI hate hearing bad gnus.
Barndog, up north


The best gnus run in what you herd.


Gravatartrain station in Albuquerque was open, Woody drove us by it, last September.

But I can drive to Lamy to pick up Diane if that's where it is now.


GravatarI've been taking the intercity bus for three weeks now. I'll save about $60 this month, and I've already lost 8 lbs because of the 10 miles a day of biking between home, bus stop, bus stop and office.


GravatarA kitchen tool I love: an instant-read meat thermometer.


GravatarGee, I took the train into the Albuquerque station just last September. Has it closed since then?

Hmm. Don't know about recently. Was pretty sure it was closed for most long connecting routes for a while. Maybe it's been reopened because of the RailRunner system.

I don't get up there often, but, in past years, it seemed that if one wanted to get to bigger cities to the north and west, one had to go to Lamy.


GravatarScoop: I've been taking the intercity bus for three weeks now.

yay! I loved being able to take the bus into Plano, DART into Dallas - when I went into the city, that is.


GravatarToo bad Amtrak is so crappy and skeletal outside the NE corridor.
plantsman


Blame the NIMBY's.

Oh and my bus commute allow me to get sooo much reading done. Freedom to drive my ass. I'd much rather be reading Charles Stross's latest.


GravatarMoe, that futures trading ban seemed to imminently worthwhile. Wish we could get it going here, on oil and food. So the peons can live.


GravatarAmtrak Albuquirky:

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Co...n_Page& code=ABQ


GravatarWish we could get it going here, on oil and food. So the peons can live.

but, but...

FREE MARKET!!! FREE MARKET!!!


GravatarBut then how will Maria Barfiromo, Larry Kudlow, and Airhead Burnett make money?


Gravataryay! I loved being able to take the bus into Plano, DART into Dallas - when I went into the city, that is.

Amtrak runs between Portland and Biddeford, and the Biddeford stop is just a few blocks from my office but it doesn't run often enough to be viable to my work schedule. I'll have to settle for the bus.


GravatarI use Amtrak at least once a week to travel to Orange County. The Pacific Surfliner (Santa Barbara to San Diego) runs frequently and on time.

It's also become crowded enough that Amtrak has just added cars for the commuter hours.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 7:30 am |


When I used to go out to California and visit relatives, I always took the train from suburban SD and suburban LA. Always saw a lot of commuters.

My boss's daughter will be in california for a wedding in june, and will be riding the Coast Starlighter.


GravatarOh and my bus commute allow me to get sooo much reading done. Freedom to drive my ass. I'd much rather be reading Charles Stross's latest.
Scoopernicus


That's pretty much been my experience as well. I also get to talk politics with a USC professor who also rides the light rail into downtown LA.

The only problem I have with public transportation is that the system isn't internally well-regulated. I spend more time waiting than riding when I have to move around SoCal during off-peak hours.


GravatarBeing the big fish allows High Liner Foods Inc. to deal with rising global food costs and a troubled U.S. economy, High Liner president and CEO Henry Demone told shareholders in Halifax on Friday.

Canada, which has been in a bit of "a bubble" sheltered from rising food prices, is likely to see the prices of many foods go up this year, Mr. Demone predicted at a media briefing held before the shareholders meeting.

Commodity prices for wheat, soy, corn and canola, which High Liner uses in battered fish and other prepared foods, have more than doubled since last year. And a downturn in the U.S. economy has put a damper on sales south of the border.


Which raises the question: why would anyone eat "prepared" fish?


GravatarDART goes right thru the middle of Dallas, some places you have to switch to a bus to get to easily, but Dallas downtown isn't that big.


GravatarHuggy Bear will be fundamentally against rehab and development of public infrastructure -- another good reason he can't be allowed to win.


GravatarExplain "Surimi" (pollock masquerading as crab) and I'll understand, too.


GravatarHuggy Bear will be fundamentally against rehab and development of public infrastructure -- another good reason he can't be allowed to win.
plantsman


And another good reason to elect more/better Dems to Congress.


GravatarYeah, we get weirdos and crazies on the transit sometimes, but most people are nice and even thank the drivers before they disembark.
plantsman | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 7:37 am


We still have plenty of decent people riding the bus, but we are also the bus system for the dayton school kids, especially the teenagers. And the bus drivers do nothing to control their behavior.

And in the last 10 years the 'bad' behavior of the adults has gotten much worse. RTA is putting togther a new rider advisory board, so perhaps they'll finally start to realize that the failure to enforce the code of conduct makes a difference in whether someone is going to ride the bus.


GravatarTransit systems are less racialized in Canada than in the states. I'm guessing that's changing.


GravatarI spend more time waiting than riding when I have to move around SoCal during off-peak hours.


The Greater Portland area isn't the big, so the buses have been timely. It's dodging Route 1 traffic on my bike along the 3 miles from the bus stop to my office that is my biggest worry.


GravatarIt takes a lot of courage to be the person who stands up against ill-behaved schlubs on transit, but if the riders won't permit it, it gets better. Case in point, NY Subway.


GravatarTransit systems are less racialized in Canada than in the states. I'm guessing that's changing.

In Northeastern cities like NYC or Boston it's always been pretty integrated. Outside the northeast I suspect you are correct.


GravatarOff peak hours on DARt, there were lots of crazies. Since people can get on without tickets, hop off if the cops start checking, street people use the heat/AC during off times.


GravatarPublic transit: America's Mental Health System.


GravatarGood day peeps!

I've got premiere night blogging.


GravatarPublic transit: America's Mental Health System.
plantsman,


next the occupied WH will be saying we don't need health care, you can always take the bus!!


GravatarMrs. Moe tells the story of travelling from Chico to Berkeley. The Greyhound cost $2 more than Amtrak, which likewise ran a bus for this route. Both left the same station, arrived very near each other.

The minorities were all on the Greyhound, whites on Amtrak. She asked a couple of black women why they didn't take the cheaper Amtrak, and they had no idea it was less expensive. They assumed, in essence, that the "train" was for white people, and therefore more expensive.


GravatarPublic transit: America's Mental Health System.

Well not in the context you meant, but I feel better mentally not having to dodge traffic.

Funny thing is I reverse commute. Most people are heading north to Portland to work, and ride home in the evening. I go to Biddeford to work and Portland in teh evening, so my ride is pretty empty. The driver did say that ridership has increased from about 60 people a day to 90 people a day in the last two weeks.


GravatarTime for my breakfast, folks, so I'm going off for a while.

As Ruth mentioned earlier, I've posted on another bit of the Alice in Wonderland corruption of language this administration specializes in.

Later!


GravatarIt takes a lot of courage to be the person who stands up against ill-behaved schlubs on transit, but if the riders won't permit it, it gets better. Case in point, NY Subway.
plantsman, | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 7:51 am |


I try, but it's very hard when you're not getting any support from the person who is actually supposed to be doing the enforcing-the bus driver.

The only time RTA really did anything was when I was hounded by a group of students when I asked them to stop draping themselves over into my seat. Nothing was done during the trip, I had to call. The drivers spend too much time chatting, either on their cells or with other passengers, to do their jobs properly.


Gravatarmarcellina, how gorgeous. I can just feel the texture in the material, too. yum.


GravatarOh, and Amtrak won't let me get off at Biddeford with my bike. You can take a bike on the train, but you can't get off at ONE STOP with it.


GravatarI find the same thing, Scopernicus; Portland, OR's transit system is not freeway-based as driving was, so one sees a much more attractive scene while traveling, and frequent riders can be distinguished by their books.


GravatarI find the same thing, Scopernicus; Portland, OR's transit system is not freeway-based as driving was, so one sees a much more attractive scene while traveling, and frequent riders can be distinguished by their books

Before I started taking the bus, I was lucky to do a book a month. Now I'm doing a book a week.

It was like that when I lived in Boston during Grad School.


GravatarOur busses and light-rail have bike racks - every one.


GravatarGas in Europe is high, and has been high my entire lifetime, because of taxes. One side effect of those taxes has been to discourage sprawl and encourage the use of mass transit, and, in general, cut down on the use of petroleum.

Pity that doing something sensible like that would be political suicide here.


GravatarOh, and Amtrak won't let me get off at Biddeford with my bike. You can take a bike on the train, but you can't get off at ONE STOP with it.
Scoopernicus


Why is that?


GravatarThe oil States have little to offer the planet besides their oil -- and now that competition for it has heated up, they're gonna gouge their little hearts out.


GravatarCompared to the price of a bus, a bike rack is downright cheap, and they attract riders.


GravatarNorway has used its extensive oil wealth to, yep, wean itself from oil. They're well-poisitioned to deal with the post-oil world.


GravatarA great deal of our local network is low-density suburban, so bikes come in handy, too.


GravatarWhy is that?
Marcellina


I have no idea. They are working on a new station, and maybe when it's done they'll allow it.

The buses have bike racks here. One day four bikers wanted the two rack spaces available. Teh drive blithely ignored the 'no bikes in bus' signa nd let us bring them on board


GravatarBuses will either have to disallow the gigantic baby carriages, or make space for them, like they do wheelchairs.


GravatarAnyway, had to take the dog out, and alla that.

High speed is nice up here. Finally watching YouTube vids.


GravatarGiant prams are rare on our busses, but once in a while some loud cell-phone user will cram one in the aisle.


Gravatarrowhouse owls.


GravatarI hear someone had constructed a jammer for those fucking Nextel 2-ways.

I may have to investigate further.


GravatarYou in the UP, barndog?


GravatarGlobe & Mial hed, offensive, and yet welcome:

Bush astonishingly slow to learn cutthroat rules of the Middle East


GravatarBuses will either have to disallow the gigantic baby carriages, or make space for them, like they do wheelchairs.
Moe Szyslak, cold | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 8:07 am |


We get a lot of giant strollers, and by state law all strollers are supposed to folded up and out of the aisle. Do the drivers enforce this, of course not!

So the stroller ends up blocking the aisle, usually at the front.


GravatarBush astonishingly slow to learn, period.


GravatarOur friends Seth & Daisy May singing "sinamaroo"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a...h?v=alLTf- 65ibM


GravatarNope, just up in Baldwin, Michigan where I fish.


GravatarThere needs to be new emergency rules that allow people to park anywhere if they take the train.


GravatarI spend a lot of my time driving for my job and one thing I have noticed is that everyone is going slower on the freeway, I presume to save gas. It makes me wonder if some time in the near future I'll be reading about how city revenues are down because of a lack of speeding tickets.


GravatarRowhouses like a perfectly sensible fine places to live. My daughter lives in one in Montreal - or at least, up to last week when she graduated. Her place was very run down at the edges, but with public transportation and a very walkable city. Consider yourself lucky as gas creeps toward $200 a barrel. As for the human scat, well it probably isn't different that the surprises that bear sometime leave in our neighborhood. Just don't step in it. We westerners need to rethink "home on the range." It doesn't work anymore.


Gravatartransit ridership spiked big-time a couple of years ago when $3.00 /gal gas first happened. Now with the skies the limit on the price of gas, transit (such as it is in the US) should get overwhelmed pretty quick.
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Gravatartoo bad the maroons in Central Florida tried to stop the commuter rail program. Atlanta is still struggling with theirs because white people are afraid of black people

And everywhere the budgets are being but. The GGate Bridge toll is going to 7 bucks as congestion pricing but the bus system has already chopped off a bunch of routes.

Bart took out seats to accomodate more passengers. First of all there are just more people and the gas crisis is encouraging people to get on board mass transit.

It will be interestinng to see what happens on the spare the air days with transit already overflowing


Gravatar"can I suck your weewee?"-Glenn Beck to the oil ceo's he has on all the time


GravatarI live in a kind of mixed-demographic century neighborhood that atrios loves. One block in the "poor" direction is a gas station. I often fill up there.

Very often - almost every time - when I go inside to pay, someone is there buying $1, $2, or $5 worth of gas.

There are a lot of people out there who never buy a full tank.

So the decision might be $1 for a bus ticket or $1 for gas in the car to drive. If that gas is not getting you there and back, you are taking the bus.

It's possible these people could afford more gas if they spent the rest of their money more judiciously, but these, at least, are their priorities: gas is something they buy only in small amounts.


GravatarEl, Boston's North-South Rail Link project isn't dead. There's still plans to build it deep beneath the city in its own tunnel.

During the Central Artery's construction it was deleted in order to save costs and time. It would have been relatively simple to dig the Central Artery about twenty feet deeper and put the train under the road. But there you are. Now it will take longer, be more difficult and expensive.

The main beneficiaries of the N-S Rail Link will be the areas North of Boston up to Portland Maine. Should really boost those economies, as well as simplifying travel in downtown Boston.


Because transit ridership is so low in most of the country, it doesn't take much of a drop in private auto use to translate into a substantial spike in transit use.

We'll see whether transit companies can responding by increasing their service and amenities to capture all of the potential new riders. It's a golden opportunity, but too many transit agencies act as if riders are what they're trying to avoid.

Suburbanization has spread the population and job centers out so much that it's very hard to develop transit routes that can gain the ridership and economic viability generally needed to gain funding.


GravatarSensitive to gas prices?

Get real.

If I wasn't squeezed by stagnate wages (I, like most people I know, make approximately what I did in 1984 right out of high-school, and I have a Master's Degree, and subsequently a loan out for $80,000) - and that's when I'm employed which right now I am not; rising grocery prices; rising medical costs; and everything else, then I wouldn't blink an eye.

So, yes, people are doing what they can/must, but it isn't one single factor (unless you count Bush Administration malfeasance as one giant clusterfuck factor like I do).


GravatarBarndog,

Can you provide a link for that gallon per mile train?

Anecdote here: I'm a machinist and I have been knocking out some molds for a company locally that casts aluminum, their biggest customer being a truck manufacturer.

I just received partial payment, a couple of weeks late, from the company which used to pay promptly. Ironically, they are scurrying to diversify, so I should be able to do very well with them.

This says to me that high diesel prices are killing truckers, especially after they just went through an industry emissions reduction milestone, so less truck sales, and that railroads are going to see some massive growth, and require lots of investment.

I'm trained as an engineer, so forgive me if I rant about the lack of R&D for energy saving technologies that would create new industries, lots of high quality jobs and eliminate in a reasonably short time our dependence on foreign energy.


GravatarSeattle's population continues to grow, yet we are seeing a 2-5% reduction in traffic. Not sure why, but I do notice that when schools are out of session there is essentially no traffic anywhere. Other times, like this week, some areas are packed all day long.

Something else from Seattle: your business now gets tax breaks if your employees take transit to work! Not sure exactly how they figure out if you don't drive, but interesting.


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