I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Iraq is nearing civil war.
I am nearing orgasm.
I'm nearing self-immolation.
I am nearing a homerun.
So whats this war all about and isn't the government of Georgia a puppet of the USA and could it be that this conflict was pushed by the Bushites to draw attention to big bad Russia instead of the empire building USA???
Apparently, more than 1,500 dead.
They have an interrogation room in the bowels of the White House. I wonder if their video has a feed to Georgie's private tv?
Yes! Francisco Liriano wins his second game in as many attempts since his return to the Minnesota Twins who have now pulled a half game ahead of the Whitesox in the AL central division...yeah baby!
all out is spelled "nu-kyu-laar" hoss.
Obama sold Bernie Mac down the river a month ago. Now Mac is gone. It just gets easier and easier for Senator McCain everyday, Obama's supporters are his worst enemy. I heard Obama is getting a big arena for Denver, this way he can crowd everybody together. Cult leaders love for the masses to praise them in large arenas, it works the bots into mass hysteria .
Obama sold Bernie Mac down the river a month ago. Now Mac is gone.
Obama had Mac killed.
Bernie Mac is nearing death.
jack | 08.10.08 - 12:05 am | #
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I sense jealousy and the sad realization that your old and befuddled candidate Insane McCain couldn't fill a shoebox.
Senator McCain is nearing senility.
Yeah, and we tell him all about you trolls too, so you're next! Buwahahahahahaha!!
Obama had cheese killed to go with Mac.
I didn't even know Georgia and Russia were all that mad at each other. Now, it's war.
I usually like to see a lead up first: you know, like Katie Couric one night says "looks like Russia and Georgia are having problems."
But...nothing.
Wow Bernie Mac dead and Freddie Mac on life support...RIP Bernie!
Um... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!
38 dead after being bitten by vampire bats
domidildo:
go outside, attach electrodes to your ass-cheeks, wave your arms wildly while screaming "I Love Messiah Obama-Flator" and see if you can light that CFL in the window...
for the planet, asshole!
Senator McCain is nearing senility.
NTodd, BJA Twitter General
Nearing?
Does McCain seriously want the USA to fight for the Georgians?
Senator McCain is nearing senility.
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Correction...Senator McCain is nearing rigor mortis. 
Does McCain seriously want the USA to fight for the Georgians?
DWD - Fed Up • → BS | Homepage | 08.10.08 - 12:10 am | #
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Well he does know how to win wars.
Does McCain seriously want the USA to fight for the Georgians?
DWD - Fed Up • → BS
Yes! We attack Alabama tomorrow!
Poland: Hey! Georgia! Psst! Don't hold your breath.
kaymoutl8h9rz
Well he does know how to win wars.
Uncle Fester Lurks
I've always wondered about that... how does being caged up for five years make him know how to win wars? The last one he fought in was lost....
Yes! We attack Alabama tomorrow!
ellroon presuming
I think you mean Al-Abama...
His wartime skills are losing aircraft and surrendering. He may know how to win wars, but not for *OUR* side.
I understand McCains appeal to the republicans. He reminds them all of their senile grandpa's. You know the grandpa they shove in a corner during family get togethers because he drools all over himself, lashes out at invisible people, mutters to himself and leaves a full load in his adult diaper, just like ole Johnny Hero does.
Georgia and Russia have been "nearing an all out war" pretty much all day. Wonder where the actual line for that is?
I understand it remains a "police action" until Congress officially declares war.
What's that? Oh. Sorry.
His wartime skills are losing aircraft and surrendering. He may know how to win wars, but not for *OUR* side.
Have some respect. He's a North Vietnamese ace.
I think you mean Al-Abama...
Uncle Smokes
*gasp*!
Nuke them! Nuke them all!
You are nearing irrelevance...
b o o p
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Atrios, so how was the concert? Was Neko there?
I don't know who in Montgomery thought David Foster Wallace allusions would be a good idea, but I'm sure you'll be thrilled to know that this is the Year of Alabama Sports.
The McCain Campaign's Statement on the conflict in Russia, "The Obama campaign's attacks on Randy Scheunemann are disgraceful. Mr. Scheunemann proudly represented a small democracy that is one of our closest allies in a very dangerous region. Today, many are dead and Georgia is in crisis, yet the Obama campaign has offered nothing more than cheap and petty political attacks that are echoed only by the Kremlin. The reaction of the Obama campaign to this crisis, so at odds with our democratic allies and yet so bizarrely in sync with Moscow, doesn't merely raise questions about Senator Obama's judgment--it answers them."
Reading that, one can logically assume that they are in favor of coming to the aid of the fledgling democracy of Georgia and against the country of Russia.
I think that is a , "No thank you, John."
b o o p
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Jeffraham Prestonian
boop boop de boop
eek! time for the world's self-congratulatory "anti-war" assfucks to go to Georgia
In McCainworld, Obama is a Ruskie:
The McCain campaign is pushing back at press reports noting that his top foreign policy advisor Randy Scheuenemann has until recently worked as a lobbyist for the Georgian government, and is still a principal at his lobbying firm -- thus rendering the candidate's pronouncements on Russia's invasion of Georgia as arguably suspect.
The campaign's new line: The criticism of this apparent conflict of interest is proof that Barack Obama's campaign is "bizarrely in sync with Moscow."
http://
tpmelectioncentral.talkin...izarrely_in.php
Reading that, one can logically assume that they are in favor of coming to the aid of the fledgling democracy of Georgia and against the country of Russia.
I think that is a , "No thank you, John."
DWD - Fed Up • → BS
Given the Republican desire for the Eschaton, and given their (mis)rule all these years, it's really quite remarkable the world is still here at all.
Oh, dear. This is not good.
So whats this war all about and isn't the government of Georgia a puppet of the USA and could it be that this conflict was pushed by the Bushites to draw attention to big bad Russia instead of the empire building USA???
Uncle Fester Lurks
As I understand it, Georgia wants to join NATO but Russian allied or actual Russian troops have occupied the fortified locations in Georgia so as to prevent it from breaking away from Ruusia's influence and orbit.
no neko or dan
eek! time for the world's self-congratulatory "anti-war" assfucks to go to Georgia
Lubyanka | 08.10.08 - 12:15 am
Dude, stop hitting the tequila so hard - I can feel the spittle flicks hitting the screen throught the intertubes.
His wartime skills are losing aircraft and surrendering. He may know how to win wars, but not for *OUR* side.
don't forget Songbird giving it all up for cigarettes and a hot nurse at his private hospital in Hanoi.
I've always wondered about that... how does being caged up for five years make him know how to win wars? The last one he fought in was lost....
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But, but he would have won Vietnam had his North Vietnamese guards not intercepted his text messages to McNamara which included his vast "how to win wars strategy."
I cannot believe nobody...nobody in the media called him on that ubsurd statement. I mean don't you have to actually have won a war to be able to claim that you know how to win wars?
Georgia and Russia have been at odds since Georgia declared independence from Russia.
38 dead after being bitten by vampire bats
ellroon presuming
Scooooby Doo, where are you?
I mean don't you have to actually have won a war to be able to claim that you know how to win wars?
Uncle Fester Lurks
I don't know about that, but I can tell you that Minnesota has had about 6 football coaches in the last 30 years, none of whom knew how to win a game.
So maybe that's an analogy.
Adam, I was intrigued by your comments on the last thread that you were not certain addiction exists. I agree with you that we know very, very little about it, and as we learn more, we'll understand it better. But it's a very real phenomenon--I've lived through my own problems with alcohol and my daughter's addiction to methamphetamines and heroin.
One thing I have found is that the AA model does not work for me at all. It's actually easier for me to do it myself.
ellroon: boop boop de boop
My way of saying, "I got left behind in the last thread (mostly 'cause I am doin' other stuff)."
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What is it with folks and starting wars over absolute shitholes?
Georgia, Iraq, Israel/Palestine. By any sane asessment, these are dusty, decrepit, ugly places that sane people wouldn't want.
How about a war for, say, A nice waterfront condo overlooking Sydney Harbour, or a couple of acres in Queenstown, New Zealand?
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Georgia and Russia have been at odds since Georgia declared independence from Russia.
puppethead
True, but the desire to join NATO, prolly at the instigation of NATO, UK/US was the last straw.
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U OF M????
Well it's time to go...
I'll leave you with some Black Sabbath:
So I found that life is just a game
But you know there's never been a winner
Try your hardest, you'll still be a loser
The world will still be turning when you're gone
Y'all take care of your good selves, and thanks for being here.
theodoric
how does Bama look for SEC West this year?
This is simply a proxy war between the US and Russia over control of the strategic pipeline corridor that runs through Georgia.
Why TF do you think the Bush adm. has been supporting Georgia? For the stuffed cabbage?
"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.
"I was able to get a sense of his soul.
"He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship," Mr Bush said.
Birds of a feather, except for the committed to his country thing.
Hi sallyh,
As you know, I often talk (type?) out my ass.
I'm glad to hear you are doing well, and Mlle. is doing so also, I believe?
Fantastic!
DT'd:
The most recent neurological hypothesis I've read for addiction is that there are both inhibitory and excitatory circuits involved, and that they may be the same circuits disrupted in Parkinson's disease.
The really intriguing part to me is that there are some actual studies which seem to support this hypothesis.
eek! time for the world's self-congratulatory "anti-war" assfucks to go to Georgia
Lubyanka | 08.10.08 - 12:15 am
That's two posts with the word "assfuck." Change it up a bit, tiger.
How about a war for, say, A nice waterfront condo overlooking Sydney Harbour, or a couple of acres in Queenstown, New Zealand?
Don't tempt the Republican real estate people....
Neko's gone on to fame and fortune...well, almost.
How's about NEW CURLY!!!!
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You are Steely Dan's Kinky Charley!
Clancy at the Bar
wow, i guess all those years i've heard steely dan on the radio i should have actually listened to the words.
John McShitain:
Vote for me, 'cos I've crashed more 'planes than Mohammed Atta.
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Adam doesn't think addiction exists?!?
Try smoking tobacco and meth for a few months and get back to me.
,i>Adam, I was intrigued by your comments on the last thread that you were not certain addiction exists. I agree with you that we know very, very little about it, and as we learn more, we'll understand it better. But it's a very real phenomenon--I've lived through my own problems with alcohol and my daughter's addiction to methamphetamines and heroin.
One thing I have found is that the AA model does not work for me at all. It's actually easier for me to do it myself.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
The definition has changed. Classical addiction was initially thought to involve physical withdrawal symptoms, like DTs, opiates or barbiturate withdrawal, which can be fatal.
I remember well in the 60s when the medical community "forgot" that cocaine was addictive. People at the turn of the century knew better.
The Vikings, Fester, the Vikings.
One thing I have found is that the AA model does not work for me at all. It's actually easier for me to do it myself.
I am surprised it works for so many. But again, as I said, I don't understand.
Seen folk withdraw from alcohol and heroin. I've heard people say there's no such thing as withdrawal; they're wrong. As to addiction, well, part of it is defining what you mean by the term. You do something self-destructive because it feels good, maybe. But most addicts/alcoholics can recall a behavior involving their addiction which was distinctly unpleasant, even in execution, much less in consequence, that they felt some sort of compulsion to do anyway.
I mean don't you have to actually have won a war to be able to claim that you know how to win wars?
Hell, on that basis *I* know how to win wars: call in Ulysses S. Grant and give him the Army of the Potomac, with Gen. George Meade to run the day-to-day operations and Gen. George Thomas out in Nashville to clean up the western theater.
I kan be preznit nao?
wadda putz. And through accidentally leaving NBC on after the news I had the misfortune to see one of McQuaint's Olympics ads: did you know he's a Fierce Force for Green Windmills and that (mysteriously gray-haired) colored guy is out to kill your children? I. had. not. known. that.
How's about NEW CURLY!!!!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
That's his Humphrey Bogart impression there.
John McShitain:
Vote for me, 'cos I've crashed more 'planes than Mohammed Atta.
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TelltaleHeart | 08.10.08 - 12:24 am
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LMAO!
But seriously does anybody really believe that guys with boxcutter actually were able to hijack four commercial airliners? I just find that story hard to believe unless there were a bunch of pussy republicans on board the planes.
wow, i guess all those years i've heard steely dan on the radio i should have actually listened to the words.
charley
Haitian Divorce.
But that kinky charlie had greasy hair. That sounds like me, but I'm going to bathe more often now, whether I need it or not.
U OF M????
Uncle Fester Lurks
'University of Mrs. Peel' - it's a troll enabling college ... remember?
Why does a war break out every time W goes on vacation? Oh, right the fucker's always on a mental vacation.
Adam, I've been sober nearly 5 months now, and Mlle is doing much, much better. Thank you for asking.
sallyh: good to hear. How's Maddie?
Try smoking tobacco and meth for a few months and get back to me.
Uncle Fester Lurks
I did smoke tobacco for years.
The meth thing--it's like crack, ain't it, except for disadvantaged whites, not blacks. So why are disadvantaged people so likely to contract this condition? If it's purely a physical thing, certainly it should be spread more evenly across the population, n'est-ce pas?
But people get "addicted" to all sorts of things, and it's itneresting to note that the more desperate their lives, the more they seem to want to escape, with one sort of chemical aid or another. And they get "addicted".
But here's the thing! I can cure it. Just give them hope, and happiness, and love, that's all.
Now, where is the problem, exactly? Is it the chemical, or their lives?
I'm rambling, I know, but certainly this thing we call "addiction" is more complicated, and simpler, in a sense, than we are prepared to realize.
melior: That's his Humphrey Bogart impression there.
I love Curly. He's such a timid, gentle, low-maintenance cat. He's the opposite of LarryElvis.
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AA has a dismally low success rate, somewhere around 5% IIRC.
The pipeline through Georgia:
http://www.npr.org/templates/
sto...storyId=5350046
McCain has no experience winning wars either, but at least if he gets captured we know he's got experience giving up the players' names of one NFL team or another.
Adam, I've been sober nearly 5 months now, and Mlle is doing much, much better. Thank you for asking.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Congratulations and continued sobriety.
Heroin is a physiological addiction, alcohol and gambling are mental addictions. Anyone can get hooked on heroin, but only certain people can become alcoholics or addicted gamblers.
The Vikings, Fester, the Vikings.
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Gee I don't know Bud Grant seemed to win his share of games and made it to four superbowls. Also Denny Green and Jerry Burns had some success...now Les Steckel....he sucked and the jury is still out on the little general Brad Childress...who I think sucks!
But seriously does anybody really believe that guys with boxcutter actually were able to hijack four commercial airliners? I just find that story hard to believe unless there were a bunch of pussy republicans on board the planes.
Uncle Fester Lurks
In fact, I don't think there is any evidence that they used box cutters. It was all specuulation. There's a website, somewhere...
ProfWombat, Maddy is doing great! She's very happy and lively and energetic and intelligent. She's totally rebonded with her mommy and they love being together again. Right now Mlle sees her 3 days a week, and it's been really nice. (I supervise her visits; she's going to wait till she's 6 months sober and request at that time unsupervised visitation. She's also moving out of her rathole sober living home on Friday and into a nice apartment.) She's attending school full time and working part time.
I will always ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
All my best thoughts to you, and yours.
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If it's purely a physical thing, certainly it should be spread more evenly across the population, n'est-ce pas?
Meth is a cheap drug. It became popular in rural areas because it was easy to make and get compared to other drugs. And the poor or largely represented because when your life sucks you're more likely to seek escape.
AA has a dismally low success rate, somewhere around 5% IIRC.
Mr French |
I believe that's because they want the participants to believe in the cloud guy instead of themselves. Puts the responsibility on the wrong level.
puppethead, uh, I had to withdraw from alcohol. I was lucky to be able to do it at home with a little Xanax for support; it can be fatal in some cases and needs a lot of medical supervision.
I didn't feel very well for a couple of weeks, I'll say that much.
Heroin is a physiological addiction, alcohol and gambling are mental addictions. Anyone can get hooked on heroin, but only certain people can become alcoholics or addicted gamblers.
puppethead
So now there are different, what, phyla of addiction? This is starting to sound to me like a collection of symptoms, a la chronic fatigue or neurasthenia, not a disease, or definition of anything.
Wombat--you're familiar with Dalrymple, of course? I must say, what he says fits in very well with my own experiences with narcotics.
Cut them off, and I'll tell you any story about my suffering to get them back. Does that mean I'm really suffering? An interesting existential question...
AA has a dismally low success rate, somewhere around 5% IIRC.
That is such a low percentage of success that you have to wonder how many would have recovered without being involved with AA.
Seriously does anybody really believe that 5 Congressmen with a susceptibility to bribes actually were able to collapse the entire US Savings and Loan industry?
But people get "addicted" to all sorts of things, and it's itneresting to note that the more desperate their lives, the more they seem to want to escape, with one sort of chemical aid or another. And they get "addicted".
MMmmm. Interesting. Husband was coming off of a battle of his mother's brain cancer and his family expecting him(the golden child) to fix it. I would certainly say he had tendencies though, and was/is allergic to alcohol, so he just turned to something else.
I could not understand how someone with a degree in economics could gamble.
Meth is a cheap drug. It became popular in rural areas because it was easy to make and get compared to other drugs. And the poor or largely represented because when your life sucks you're more likely to seek escape.
puppethead
We are not disagreeing.
But you must admit, somehow this thing we call "addiction" seems to be a "problem" mostly for the poor.
Doug: That is such a low percentage of success that you have to wonder how many would have recovered without being involved with AA.
Dubya didnt need that shit.
[/sarcasm, for those not paying close attention]
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I didn't feel very well for a couple of weeks, I'll say that much.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
You, ma'am, are a tough customer.
:terrorist fist bumps: back from the shadows again. I've seen the future, and it works if we ignore the tr00lies.
Notice how the pipeline was built to go around Armenia because of the instability there. (Nice move.)
This isn't about religion, or independence for breakaway regions, or any other bullshit. It's a blatant fight over who controls the flow. Bush invested in Georgia, now Putin is sticking his middle finger in Bush's face. Balls in his court.
Not a pleasant thought.
But seriously does anybody really believe that guys with boxcutter actually were able to hijack four commercial airliners? I just find that story hard to believe unless there were a bunch of pussy republicans on board the planes.
Uncle Fester Lurks
All hijackings prior to this landed the planes somewhere. This was the first time that the planes were deliberately crashed. & probably why it won't happen again.
I tend to think of addiction as being where an anxiety-control mecanism starts to 'lead the horse'.
At first, it's about feel anxious, take the drug (or chew the fingernails or feed the slot machine etc).
Sooner-or-later, the absence of the 'fix' creates anxiety via a pavlovian-link, which only giving in to the fix can subdue.
The link between the 'problem' and its 'solution' have become bass-ackwards, and it just spirals from there...
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puppethead, uh, I had to withdraw from alcohol.
Well, extreme alcohol poisoning is on a different scale. Put enough of anything in your body and it changes your physiology.
I believe that's because they want the participants to believe in the cloud guy instead of themselves. Puts the responsibility on the wrong level.
Exactly.
An AA adherent once told me: "Your higher power could be the eraser on this pencil!"
Adam, no, it's not. Nice people from good homes with plenty of resources become addicted as well.
But you must admit, somehow this thing we call "addiction" seems to be a "problem" mostly for the poor.
Adam Hominem
Pick up a copy of Celebrity Weekly, or drop by the Betty Ford clinic. Money buys discretion.
AA has a dismally low success rate, somewhere around 5% IIRC.
Mr French
I just quit cold turkey in 1994.
My problem was beer.
Not a drop since.
Ad Hominem, meth is just used by disadvantaged whites. You'd be surprised how many professional people smoke and become addicted to it.
It isn't to "escape" It is used to initially to give one endless energy, it can give you a feeling of confidence or make you feel "normal" whatever that is and it f**ks with the endorphins in your brain.
Dude, Obama does a spot-on John Kerry.
Gee, I'm the only one on topic tonight.
Go figure...
I've noticed that the line in the US media is 'big bad Russia bombs Georgia', citing the whole 'territorial integrity' thing, rather than 'big bad Russia defends breakaway province after US ally and media-friendly dictator tries to seize back control'.
But heh, don't let that get in the way of wall-to-wall wank volleyball.
I believe that's because they want the participants to believe in
the cloud guy instead of themselves. Puts the responsibility on the
wrong level.
Never could get into the whole 'powerless' trip.
I think what happens is you have a feedback loop that forms. If we knew the neurochemistry and anatomy behind it, we'd probably have more success in combatting it.
Well, the NP I saw a few weeks ago was not happy about my tobacco or alcohol use. Go figure. 
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Terrorist fist bump to all.
But you must admit, somehow this thing we call "addiction" seems to be a "problem" mostly for the poor.
Adam Hominem
I don't agree. The poor are least likely to have resources to compensate for the problems caused by their addiction.
And Ad Hominem, I speak from experience as I was adicted to meth for almost a year and was able to quit cold turkey almost three years ago which also meant becoming a hermit and staying away from the crowds that did it.
Is it safe for me to leave the comfort of the closet Pansypoo let me hid in and reemerge? Or should I go back?
fuck, tobes is here, I'm going back.
I just quit cold turkey in 1994.
My problem was beer.
This isn't common either is it? I mean it is not usually successful, is it?
Terrorist fist bump to all.
(bumps fist with my terrorist brother)
R. McGeddon: Terrorist fist bump to all.
TFB, TCB!
TFB (and more importantly!), TCB, babay!
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I think substance abuse is the best term. Not everyone who uses, abuses. Abuse is a level of involvement that interferes with your life. Nicoteine, opiates, barbiturates and even serious alcohol use can lead to actual physical changes during withdrawal. Not so with crank or coke, it is more of a psychological dependence or habituation.
When my wife took up with a dentist, they gave me some kind of downer, the name of which I don't remember, but later I read that it is "instantly addicting".
Not for me, all it did was put me to sleep. Fuck I could sleep just fine; it was being awake that sucked!
I know there are people who are told they have addictive personalities. maybe I don't. But I also know we know nothing.
Meth is so addicting that even today, three years later I still have some intense dreams from time to time of smoking it.
I believe in meaningless over-analyzing of international crises as well as wanking over women's beach volleyball...
...not in that particular order.
It's kind of amazing that medical doctors can do anything at all for behavioral disorders, considering that we literally don't even know what a thought or a memory is yet well enough to measure one.
I suspect there will be much rapid progress once some genius has a brilliant insight or two soon to come.
, now Putin is sticking his middle finger in Bush's face. Balls in his court.
Not a pleasant thought.
Elias
Yeah, Boy George has totally corrupted brand American.
Cheney's dreams of conquest were planted on barren soil.
Ad Hominem, meth is just used by disadvantaged whites. You'd be surprised how many professional people smoke and become addicted to it.
Not really.
The meth thing--it's like crack, ain't it
Both are CNS stimulants but crank or meth is a little different than cocaine. Crank addicts can function. Crack or IV coke users usually can't. When they subject lab rats to the experiment where they are given a choice between coke or sustenance, they will go for the coke until they are almost dead. In the music business, mostly the recording industry, where I've seen this first hand, people went from coke in the 70's and 80's to speed in the 90's. Higher productivity.
Uncle Fester, that was Mlle's drug of choice. It is truly a vicious drug.
And one of the things that gave me the most hope was when she told me the other day, I'm tired of program people. I like the people at school much better.
Let's make a list of all the celebs who have been in rehab, shall we, Adam?
Only poor people get addicted, my ASS.
Human brains are very individualized. Things that addict some don't have that effect on others. Some brain drugs work for some; not others.
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I don't agree. The poor are least likely to have resources to compensate for the problems caused by their addiction.
Since they are short of resources to deal with addiction problems they will sooner crash; with their health, personal finances, legally, or with family and friends.
lots of guys fuck with heroin recognizing the danger. some win, some lose.
they tell me "if you like the sickness" it's best to stay away.
i think william burroughs wrote a book about this.
AA saved me from born again christianity.
Barry
that was only a request on my part earlier, not a rebuke. I just can't stand reading her crazy ass shit, at least more than once a day when I go over to that crazy ass website.
I hope you took no offense on my part?
When my wife took up with a dentist, they gave me some kind of downer, the name of which I don't remember, but later I read that it is "instantly addicting".
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Novocaine?
(bad joke.)
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We here at Eschaton do have a very precise definition of inanity available, however.
I think substance abuse is the best term. Not everyone who uses, abuses. Abuse is a level of involvement that interferes with your life. Nicoteine, opiates, barbiturates and even serious alcohol use can lead to actual physical changes during withdrawal. Not so with crank or coke, it is more of a psychological dependence or habituation.
Clancy at the Bar
I buy that completely. It's 'addiction' I have trouble with.
People do shit that makes them feel good. Like I said below, we're really talking about the inability of our intellect to rule our bodies. Which doesn't surprise me--we are animals, after all.
We like feeling good. We often throw away the future for a pleasant present. But let's not give it names like 'addiction' when we do that, ok?
they gave me some kind of downer, the name of which I don't remember, but later I read that it is "instantly addicting"....
Adam Hominem
I was in intensive care a few years back for deep vein thrombosis. The doctors had inserted a tube into my left leg to dissolve the clots. I woke up in the middle of the night in excruciating pain. The nurses gave me two shots of morphine, but I was still in pain. Then they gave me a shot of something else (thorazine?) which was like pure silver pleasure warmth in my veins.
Meth is so addicting that even today, three years later I still have some intense dreams from time to time of smoking it.
Uncle Fester Lurks
That'll pass.
Human brains are very individualized. Things that addict some don't have that effect on others.
Yea.
Look at Ed Hale, he personally demands they test out the bolt gun on him when he takes his cows to slaughter.
Hasn't affected him a bit.
Only poor people get addicted, my ASS.
I would be more likely to agree with what somebody else said here earlier today (sorry, i forget who). Rich people have medical problems with drugs. Poor people have legal problems. If you're rich, you get to go to rehab. If you're poor, you go to jail.
I would be more likely to agree with what somebody else said here earlier today (sorry, i forget who). Rich people have medical problems with drugs. Poor people have legal problems. If you're rich, you get to go to rehab. If you're poor, you go to jail.
MikeJ
Poor people have cash problems, and no viable rehab.
Rich people have Betty Ford Clinics.
Barry from AK: Hasn't affected him a bit.
Heh. "No Country for Ed Hale."
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Let's make a list of all the celebs who have been in rehab, shall we, Adam?
Only poor people get addicted, my ASS.
Tlazolteotl
I didn't say only poor people. I said that we hear about the poor; and certainly I've heard enough verbiage about the crack epidemic among poor blacks, and the meth epidemic among "hillbillies".
They have desperate lives, and they try to escape, any way they can. Is that addiction, or good sense?
Amy Winehouse is a case to herself.
People do shit that makes them feel good. Like I said below, we're really talking about the inability of our intellect to rule our bodies. Which doesn't surprise me--we are animals, after all.
Love, Gambling, Bungie jumping, driving fast, running, exercise, all release those biocemicals we want into the bloodstream. Some ar uppers, some downers.
If you're rich, you get to go to rehab. If you're poor, you go to jail.
And to rehab, and back to rehab, and back again...but Adam will tell you, they aren't addicted!
And one of the things that gave me the most hope was when she told me the other day, I'm tired of program people. I like the people at school much better.
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Sallyh, it is tough. She can kick it but she needs to also rid herself from those of her friends who use. It's tough. I'm still afraid what I would do if I came across someone who offered me some today.
Fuck you, filthy sock puppet
We often throw away the future for a pleasant present.
We do not have a culture that encourages delayed gratification anymore, if it ever did.
sallyh: that's just wonderful===
I'm not impressed with Dalrymple: he's to addiction what Thomas Szasz was to schizophrenia. Too easy by half to see that he's got an ideology behind his views, and is going to stick to it. I happen to agree with those who don't think that AA is the only answer, who don't think that it's AA or keep drinking. But there's a physical craving for alcohol and opiates, and a defined withdrawal syndrome people get.
Elias addicted to sniffing bicycle seats.
Then they gave me a shot of something else (thorazine?) which was like pure silver pleasure warmth in my veins.
Deacon Blues
Probably fentanyl. Thorazine doesn't usually feel good.
I propose a toast
To my self control
You see it crawlin helpless on the floor
Someday there'll be a cure for pain
That's the day I throw my drugs away
When they find a cure for pain
- Morphine
Yeah, Boy George has totally corrupted brand American.
Cheney's dreams of conquest were planted on barren soil.
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What do you think Bush will do regarding this? There's only so much intelligence support one can give to a completely out-classed military...
Mrs I snorting hogshit again?
Heh. "No Country for Ed Hale."
I give you a "9" on the laughy emoticon scale for that one.
Wasn't Morphine the band with the bari sax player?
Think I heard one of their tunes on The Sopranos; thought it was good.
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Ad Hominem, meth is just used by disadvantaged whites.
Not really
You'd be surprised how many professional people smoke and become addicted to it.
Agree with this. Just wanted to clarify.
Speed was the preferred "party drug" in the gay community for quite some time. Ted Haggert? Haggerd?
Uncle Fester, she lives in a different town and has no association with her old chums. She's made new friends at school--she transferred to UCLA from CSULA, so she's with a whole new group. She changed her major.
Probably fentanyl. Thorazine doesn't usually feel good.
Yup. Thorazine makes you feel like your head is full of chewing gum and your tongue like it was a chunk of 2 x 4.
Love, Gambling, Bungie jumping, driving fast, running, exercise, all release those biocemicals we want into the bloodstream. Some ar uppers, some downers.
Ex(sort of)used to create chaos so he could fix it. That fucking wears on the family around that person.
I'm not impressed with Dalrymple: he's to addiction what Thomas Szasz was to schizophrenia. Too easy by half to see that he's got an ideology behind his views,
ProfWombat
Of course he does. Of course. But I can only tell you that what he says matches up very well with my personal experience.
That's all.
It is a sample of two--me and Dalrymple. But honestly, I think we stand for many more. Perhaps not all, but many more.
Remember too that countering addiction is big, big business. There's money being made believing in addiction.
Wasn't Morphine the band with the bari sax player?
Probably fentanyl. Thorazine doesn't usually feel good.
Adam Hominem
Dood, whatever it was? Me likey. Would totally like a hit every morning after breakfast. I can completely see how the path to addiction runs. Experimented in the 70s with heroin. Again, I loved it but had to say No, keep away. Scary good.
The meth thing--it's like crack, ain't it
I've seen many people affected. Not a pretty thing. Strokes, losing businesses, sex obsessed. One I know of lost a quarter mil. because he'd rather watch porn & masturbate instead of going to work. He got his wife hooked, who got the kids taken away. It's something I just never could understand.
Then they gave me a shot of something else (thorazine?) which was like pure silver pleasure warmth in my veins.
Deacon Blues
Maybe Ketamine.
I've had that a few times in clinical and minor surgical settings when cool docs set me up.
yo
and
fuck
grrrrr
Wasn't Morphine the band with the bari sax player?
And no geetar. Bass, sax, drums. Mmmm. I saw them everytime I had a chance, many times in
His wartime skills are losing aircraft and surrendering. He may know how to win wars, but not for *OUR* side.
yes, but he's dead now.
an amazing Boston bar band that became bigger and better than anyone would have foreseen in the mid-80s.
Adam, I think there is enough evidence of how some drugs change neurobiology over time that we can say that addiction is a physically real thing. People may start taking drugs to feel good, but why can't they stop once they don't feel so good anymore? That is addiction.
We like feeling good. We often throw away the future for a pleasant present. But let's not give it names like 'addiction' when we do that, ok?
Adam Hominem
there comes a point when it takes more and more, and eventually even that doesn't work, there is only pain, yet you can't stop.
you're right, it's been made into a stigmata, but i think the phenomenon is real.
Uncle Fester, she lives in a different town and has no association with her old chums. She's made new friends at school--she transferred to UCLA from CSULA, so she's with a whole new group. She changed her major.
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Sallyh, that is so good to hear! She seems to be heading in the right direction!!
doh, I meant that as a cut and paste reply for Morphine/Mark Sandman comment.
Wasn't Morphine the band with the bari sax player?
Think I heard one of their tunes on The Sopranos; thought it was good.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Yep. Lead singer died on stage of a brain aneurysm in the middle of a set.
Great stuff if you love horns as much as I do.
Disclaimer: I don't know much about this stuff, but here's what little I do know from my own experience, with a question at the end.
I took a quit-smoking course through the local hospital to help me kick the habit, and I learned that nicotine changes your brain chemistry. To keep the chemistry balanced, you need another dose. And the effect is pretty dramatic. Among other things, it makes you smarter. It helps you think faster and remember more clearly. The difference when I quit was amazingly clear (or the fog was amazingly apparent), and it took a long time for me to feel "normal" with that. Being smart is part of my self-definition, and I hated feeling not-smart. I still don't know if the nicotine-free fog is actually gone or if I've just gotten used to it.
I liked that nicotine effect a lot. I wish there were a nonlethal delivery method for it.
Anyway, besides that, there's all the rituals & habits you build up over an 18-year relationship with anything. One of my iron-clad habits was to light up when my phone rang at work so I could answer it on the exhale. (Yes, kids, we used to smoke at our desks.) (We used to smoke in class at college, too.) I learned to prepare for most of these in the class so I didn't get sandbagged too hard, but there was one I forgot. See, I used to sew every once in a while, maybe once a year. And I had built up a custom of lighting a cigarette whenever I finished a part -- but since I only sewed about once a year, I didn't remember this when I planned out how I'd survive a trigger. So about six months after the last smoke, I was stitching away on a little dress for my great-niece, finished a sleeve, set it aside, and wham, Mrs. Jones slapped me upside the haid with all her strength. Whew.
So anyway, the brain chemistry thing, I'd define that as a physiological addiction. The rituals & habits where Mrs. Jones takes up residence, I'd define that as an example of a psychological addiction. Would that be a fair definition?
And Sallyh, I honor you and Mlle. for your dedication and your daily victory.
Wait.
I reckon I needs some Morphine mp3s.
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Remember too that countering addiction is big, big business. There's money being made believing in addiction.
Adam Hominem
Yes, there is. Many charlatans and cons just bleeding addicts' insurance companies dry, kicking them out, knowing full well they will be back again soon.
you're right, it's been made into a stigmata, but i think the phenomenon is real.
charley
Like I said, I can only speak for myself, and if I am glib and dismissive, I'm sorry.
People may start taking drugs to feel good, but why can't they stop once they don't feel so good anymore? That is addiction.
Tlazolteotl
But here's the thing--that's when they kick!
As long as the drug offers something they keep going. Or as long as it offers more than it takes.
When that is no longer true, they stop. It may take time, because deciding the cost/benefit thing takes time, but they do stop.
It's about seeking pleasure, I think. I think giving it a word like "addiction" dresses it up in clothes it doesn't deserve.
It's just us, acting like the animals we are.
I was a fan of Treat Her Right. Sandman was an animal. Played in a dozen different bands in Boston. Just loved to play, and would go do it every night if he could.
Adam: what I will concede, even rant about, is that there's a tremendous momentum, in the medical community and the criminal justice system, that paints with a broad brush and perpetuates a great deal of nonsense in the name of nothing so much as asserting the system's control over the individual. The extent to which AA, which insists upon the recognition of helplessness as a first step, predominates over, say, Smart Recovery, which requires people to assume responsibility as effective actors, is part of this...
Treat Her Right was the band that played at my friend Tasha's wedding. Sandman was a force, no doubt.
Adam, couldn't agree with you more on 'addiction treatment' being a huge industry.
Stems from the problem that we have no good understanding of the brain and how it operates in substance abuse. Ergo, no good treatment models.
We've got to get beyond 12 step models--they don't work for most people.
Neurobiology and chemistry will, I believe, hold the keys.
Then they gave me a shot of something else (thorazine?) which was like pure silver pleasure warmth in my veins.
Deacon Blues
Maybe Ketamine.
I've had that a few times in clinical and minor surgical settings when cool docs set me up.
Clancy at the Bar
That doesn't sound much like my experience with "Special K". It was a lot more like an LSD trip, but shorter duration and quite intense. This was not in a medical setting, however, and was in Hong Kong, so no guarantee at all of purity.
Yes, there is. Many charlatans and cons just bleeding addicts' insurance companies dry, kicking them out, knowing full well they will be back again soon.
Clancy at the Bar
Father in law spent a week at Hazelden. Guess how long his insurance paid for?
A week.
Funny how that worked.
So anyway, the brain chemistry thing, I'd define that as a physiological addiction. The rituals & habits where Mrs. Jones takes up residence, I'd define that as an example of a psychological addiction. Would that be a fair definition?
Oh, yeah. Burroughs wrote about the "beauty" of the ritual. The "red orchid blooming up from the bottom of the eye dropper". Addicts definitely have a specific ritual they go through.
Like I said, Adam, there is neurobiolgoy involved too, so I think you are partly full of shit because you either dismiss it or are ignorant of it.
But here's the thing--that's when they kick!
Not necessarily. Some addicts die. Mlle's ex bf died last month of an overdose.
I must add some humor to all of this drug talk:
I was at this party back while I was smoking the evil white smoke when this 20-23 year old dude shows up.
He started talking to me and a friend about his addiction to meth and how he had just got booted out of a treatment center.
I asked him what happened and he said he kept falling asleep during the classes until one day the director told him if he continues to sleeep during the classes and group discussions they will have to ask him to leave...
His classic response was "Jesus Christ, give me a break, I've been up for two years and I'm tired."
ah - our topic for today is addiction, it seems
cigarettes - smoked 23 years, quit for 15. still occasionally want one but there is no chance I'll cave
alcohol - well I used to get drunk a lot now I don't but I have no struggle with choosing what I drink - but when i used to take those "do you have a drinking problem?" things...
let's say that the quiz said "50 points or more - go to AA NOW!" and I scored 74.
I'm not sure what this all means
SD, chimes for your brother should be on the way.
I reckon I needs some Morphine mp3s.
Make sure you get Whisper. The best song EVAR for the mix tape for the girl you've got a crush on.
Smart Recovery, which requires people to assume responsibility as effective actors
Now that actually sounds promising. I've never heard about this approach, will have to learn more about it. Never thought much of the AA approach myself.
"We've got to get beyond 12 step models--they don't work for most people."
most people are self medicating to kill some sort of pain in their lives.
so it seems to me.
Maybe Ketamine.
I've had that a few times in clinical and minor surgical settings when cool docs set me up.
Clancy at the Bar
I don't know. It was the middle of the night. The IC nurses cracked me up, "Don't be John Wayne, any pain, push the button." Like I said, two shots of morphine and me leg still hurt like a mofo, then they brought out the big gun.
Next morning, after they had dissolved all the clots in my veins, they implanted a stent in my left commin iliac vein -- May-Thurner syndrome.
Wait.
I reckon I needs some Morphine mp3s.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Indeed you do. My favorites: Cure for Pain, Honey White, Good.
This is the Morphine tune I recall from The Sopranos.
Love the tune.
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I have learned tonight that as I have told the ex (sort of) he has to forgive himself, I have not done this for myself. Duh.
My addiction is impersonating Butler sock puppets, sucking dick, and being a fucking auggie tranny
There are plenty of incidents in any addict's life of seeking out the addiction when there's no pleasure whatever in it. It's simplistic in the extreme to view it as purely pleasure, seems to me. Most people who drink too much have done stupid things, spent a night vomiting and the next day with an exploding head, like that. And nobody drinks lighter fluid for the terroir, legs and bouquet...
Those were the albums I like best by the way, not just the song titles.
Mlle's ex bf died last month of an overdose.
Not your daughter's baby daddy? Oh, I'm sorry, Sallyh. I didn't hear that.
That doesn't sound much like my experience with "Special K". It was a lot more like an LSD trip, but shorter duration and quite intense. This was not in a medical setting, however, and was in Hong Kong, so no guarantee at all of purity.
melio
Never had K anyplace else. Don't even smoke pot now. Would like to. It's good for ya! No drugs but the crap the doctor prescribes for Hypertension and high cholseterol. I don't even drink that much anymore. Hangovers suck. Coffee and cigarettes. Very boring. I didn't consciously do much of this. It just happened. But I have kicked some habits in the past.
all i know is i drink a lot.
i've a job that requires random testing and if i smoke weed i'm sure i'll get the pee test.
i'm ok on weed. i should probably not be drinking so much, and i've a history legal, and medical, that proves it.
Uncle B, that can certainly be a contributing factor.
The question is, why do some self medicate and others don't?
I also don't buy the supposition that addiction is a single disease.
Like I said, Adam, there is neurobiolgoy involved too, so I think you are partly full of shit because you either dismiss it or are ignorant of it.
Tlazolteotl
You seem to spend a lot of time with me asserting your intellectual superiority.
Let me say this--science, and the scientific method is all about forming a hypothesis and then determining it's validity.
When you look at actual research, you discover an awful lot of attempts to PROVE the hypothesis, which is a different thing entirely. And I have spent considerable time reading, no, not neurobiological literature, but medical literature, and an awful lot of it, and awful lot of it has NOT been falsified. No effort to falsify the data. No effort to study a large range of patients. No effort to determine if we see real effects, or just norman variation.
Even honest clinicians make mistakes, the literature is full of it. Looka t hormone therapy for women--we used it for years and the literature of the time supported it. Now, not so much.
I don't believe the data you speak so glibly of, and knowing what I know I have no reason to. And I suspect if I was motivated to look up the actual papers, I would discover all kinds of flaws in the work. I know I would.
Love the tune.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Hell yeah. Buena's on the same album.
Indeed you do. My favorites: Cure for Pain, Honey White, Good.
And Thursday. And All Wrong.
She had black hair like ravens crawling over her shoulders
All the way down
She had a smile that swerved
She had a smile that curved
She had a smile that served all over the road
Tlaz, no, not Maddy's father. This was someone Mlle hadn't been with in quite some time.
Dude, life is mostly sequencing.
I know people with the mental predilection for addictive behavior. I totally can't relate to it, but I see it clearly. They find ways to get into addictive patterns, even when they know they shouldn't.
Very real medical disorder on par with physical addiction, but only certain people have that mental weakness.
Dude, life is mostly sequencing.
So is dance music.
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Dude, life is mostly sequencing.
So are genes
There are plenty of incidents in any addict's life of seeking out the addiction when there's no pleasure whatever in it. It's simplistic in the extreme to view it as purely pleasure, seems to me. Most people who drink too much have done stupid things, spent a night vomiting and the next day with an exploding head, like that. And nobody drinks lighter fluid for the terroir, legs and bouquet...
ProfWombat
They do it to get away. They do it because they don't have anything else.
They do it because they must escape themselves.
"It takes a whole lot of medicine, baby
for me to pretend I'm somebody else."
Next morning, after they had dissolved all the clots in my veins, they implanted a stent in my left commin iliac vein -- May-Thurner syndrome.
Deacon Blues
I had the best stent pusher in the hospital fail to get one in my arm. I hope my legs are better, or I just never need one again. I think one time with the Ketamine was when my nose was being adjusted, or readjusted, after some asshole adjusted it.
Tlaz: sort of based on cognitive therapy concepts. Works at least as well as AA, some say better. No Supreme Being. And, unlike some (but not all) AA meetings, they've no objection to therapy (including drugs) outside the meetings. Really good for some people, a lot of whom are put off by AA and get there by that route...
"It takes a whole lot of medicine, baby
for me to pretend I'm somebody else."
Adam Hominem
Randy Newman rox
I'm just a brown-skinned person in a big world, but if you demand someone take a paternity test and that person agrees, should you be compelled to go through with said paternity test?
"The question is, why do some self medicate and others don't?"
Others find different coping mechanisms, I guess. also, maybe some peoples addictions are socially acceptable, or relatively benign. Just a guess.
"I also don't buy the supposition that addiction is a single disease."
me neither.
I know people with the mental predilection for addictive behavior. I totally can't relate to it, but I see it clearly. They find ways to get into addictive patterns, even when they know they shouldn't.
Very real medical disorder on par with physical addiction, but only certain people have that mental weakness.
puppethead
Christ, it exists because you think you see it?
Quel folie.
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Mrs. Peel
You count comments?
tweaker?
Damn, there's a lotta bared pecs on the teebee right now. I though teh swimmers were wearing the full body Speedo suit thingy?
You seem to spend a lot of time with me asserting your intellectual superiority.
Um, no, just pointing out when you write something I where I have the feeling you don't know what you're talking about.
What wtf, I can learn. Arguing with you is pretty useless, because there ya go, slinking into - surprise - ad hominem attacks. I don't claim to be intellectually superior to anybody here. So you can get off your high horse, I give in, I won't question you any more, mmkay?
Very real medical disorder on par with physical addiction, but only certain people have that mental weakness.
You can't separate the mental from the physical. And to label it a 'weakness' smacks of a moral judgment.
I have bipolar disorder. And anyone who thinks I have a mental 'weakness' would be unwise to share that with me
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Mrs. Peel
I'm typing as fast as I can!
Name stealer alert @ 1:05am, also a cyberstalking cowardly troll who likes to use Mrs. Peels name.
Clearly there's some physiological, genetic link to alcoholism, or maybe more accurately stated, some physiological genetic link to susceptibility to alcoholism, and my family tree could be a textbook example. Shows up in every branch of the Irish side, in every generation we have records or memories of. Even in families that didn't know each other or grow up together.
But the AA/Hazelden/Recovery/Codependency complex -- God knows there's a lot of good being done there, but there also seems a lot of -- oh, what would be the right word? It almost felt cultlike the first time I ran into people who explained themselves by codepencency & ACOA.
Dumgby's statement:
During a visit to Seoul earlier this week, Bush insisted he would not back down from his support for religious freedoms while in China.
"I have been meeting Chinese leaders for 7 1/2 years and my message has been the same: you should not fear religious people in your society," Bush told a press conference.
"As a matter of fact, religious people will make your society a better place."
Christ, it exists because you think you see it?
If I can see someone with a runny nose, it's just my imagination and not a cold or allergies?
"if you demand someone take a paternity test and that person agrees, should you be compelled to go through with said paternity test?"
i think it would depend if you want to know the answer you might get.
btw - you know you're wonderful, right?
I think MSNBC is now covering the ring-ring-ring-ring-ring, but if it weren't that, they'd have broken into "Preadtor: Raw" and "Lock-Up" to be 24/7 WAYWARD PENIS PARADE!
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when my nose was being adjusted, or readjusted, after some asshole adjusted it.
Clancy at the Bar
Got into an argument about Steely Dan didja? 
Um, no, just pointing out when you write something I where I have the feeling you don't know what you're talking about.
Tlazolteotl
You say tomato...
You can't separate the mental from the physical. And to label it a 'weakness' smacks of a moral judgment.
Not in my mind. It's a weakness because it's a physiological defect, like not being able to walk very well.
Substitute a different word if it's necessary.
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You count comments?
tweaker?
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No...it's just a cowardly loser who comes here time to time under multiple identities or steals someone elses name, usually Mrs. Peel and then tries stirring up shit with me.
Ignore it and it go back to masterbating.
"And to label it a 'weakness' smacks of a moral judgment."
doesn't smack of it - it IS a moral judgement.
When you look at actual research, you discover an awful lot of attempts to PROVE the hypothesis, which is a different thing entirely.
Adam Hominem
I'd strongly agree, and go one step further.
I took several pre-med grad level courses as part of an engineering degree, and I was struck by the near universal aversion to thinking beyond the established paradigms, even where there are clearly still gaping gaps in our knowledge of how things work.
Much of medical training, perhaps wisely, strongly discourages thinking outside the box or attempting to move in any kind of new direction. This is not at all the way engineers are trained to think. We are taught to be skeptical of literally everything.
Hell, in just the two years I was there, an entirely new neurotransmitter that no one dreamed existed was discovered. Not only that it was a known poison, NO. Turns out to be what regulates male erections, and lo, Viagra etc. was born.
Anyone who dared to suggest such a possibility would literally have been scoffed at.
You can only go so far incrementally building on past theories, then you need a radical idea.
Someone else didn't get the joke, as reported by Sadly, No!
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If I can see someone with a runny nose, it's just my imagination and not a cold or allergies?
puppethead
A runny nose isn't different from a judgement about personality? We may disagree, but I think it is.
Oh, and yes you can very much separate the mental from the physical. Drugs labeled "instantly addicting" are all physical.
"If I can see someone with a runny nose, it's just my imagination and not a cold or allergies?"
or spicy food (can make my nose run) or they just came in from the cold (same) or they've been crying (same)
Adam,
Dr. David Smith, the founder of the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinis and Rock Medicine, which did all the concert medical triage from the Summers of Love on down, and has seen it all, has said that there is a biochemical basis for every thought. I doubt he has a Ph.D. Never cared enough to look, but there is something to what Tlaz is saying and she should know. Drugs change your biochemistry and biochemsnitry changes thought patterns and processes and behaviors. And maybe even the converse is true. Thought can change biochemistry.
Now, dude, that is just whack behavior.
Strawhat, it is very cultlike.
Things I disliked about AA:
1. People acted as if simply because we shared a common problem, that they knew all about me. They knew nothing.
2. I resented people giving me advice not knowing anything about me.
3. I disliked the notion that I had to 'give myself over' to the program or else.
I have no quarrel with most of the steps. They're useful guidelines to live by, in that they require one to be honest in all transactions. But public confession isn't really my style, and I was uncomfortable listening to what I considered TMI.
Clinis?
Clinic.
A runny nose isn't different from a judgement about personality?
Did I say anything about personality? I was talking about observed behavior. And conversing with the people. Such as they tell me they know what they do is bad for them and causes trouble, but they can't help themselves.
Tried to read the entire thread with little success. Be good to each other. Goodnight.
Addiction is the fault of the Clenis.
You can only go so far incrementally building on past theories, then you need a radical idea.
melior
I used to work in spine; the human spine. We spent a lot of time, and God knows there's tons of literature, talking about restoring "normal motion".
You know what? We have no idea what constitutes normal motion, on a vertebra to vertebra basis. What we have recently discovered is that there is tremendous variation. Tremendous.
A lot of what we would probably have called disease, had we been aware of it, is perfectly normal. And a lot of people with motion we might consider normal, have a lot of pain when they move.
I came to believe almost nothing printed in the journals.
I quit going to AA because pretty much every meeting somebody brought their kids.
Nice shiny new gravatar ya got there NTodd.
Adam, they have even found genetic markers for it. Alcohol dependency, addiction, abuse, whatever. I think your hang up, and I mean that in the softest and least prejudicial way, is largely a linguistic and semantic issue.
I quit going to AA because they wouldn't let you drink.
Someone else didn't get the joke, as reported by Sadly, No!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
That whole series of threads is reminding me of the running gag on Letterman about a guest who "doesn't understand the show".
Kind of like our lovable huggable troll here.
drink anonmously that is....
I quit going to AA because they wouldn't let you drink.
Uncle Fester Lurks
Never cared for AA. Not a joiner, and there are 12 step programs for people addicted to 12 step programs now. Ain't there? The sex addicts meetings were fun.
Did I say anything about personality? I was talking about observed behavior. And conversing with the people. Such as they tell me they know what they do is bad for them and causes trouble, but they can't help themselves.
puppethead
I call this a quibble. Call it behavior if you want, my objection stands.
I behave ridiculously, fatuously, humurously, angrily--am I ridiculous, fatuous, angry?
Sometimes!
Now. I go bowling, and don't want to go home when you do. Am I behaving addictingly? Sure. Am I addicted to bowling? After all, you observed the behavior...
I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.
Nah well. Ran 8 miles this morning. Now getting drowsy. Off to sleepy times. Nytol!
Clancy, yes, they have, and are locating more.
Putting it together, learning what proteins play significant roles at what point in the cascades of reactions, etc.--that will take time. If I can ever develop a more comprehensive mathematical model (I do it for antibiotic resistance but it would seem to be an adaptive algorithm), perhaps that will lead us further into the mysteries of it all.
Addiction is especially fascinating, because defined as (or not) "compelled" behavior, it relates directly to what philosophers of old loved to call "free will".
Many modern philosophers will identify that as a semantic trap. It's all physics, chemistry, biology, and software.
Night, Deacon B
Meanwhile somewhere in America a tired, confused, befuddled, angry old man still believes that he knows how to win wars and believes he will be our next POTUS. Bah hahahaha...wake up Johnny boy corpses can't become president.
Adam, they have even found genetic markers for it. Alcohol dependency, addiction, abuse, whatever. I think your hang up, and I mean that in the softest and least prejudicial way, is largely a linguistic and semantic issue.
Clancy at the Bar
I take your point; but take mine. What you read in the newspaper about "genetic markers" is very different from what the actual research did and shows. I absolutely guarantee it.
Speaking of S,N!(but unrelated to the O symbol), I read their top post there, and visited the blog in question. The other blog has edited their post so much I have no fuckin clue what their original stupidity was. Just looks like delusional rambling.
The honest inventory part of AA is valuable, I'll say that. And hard, hard, hard. It's really hard to admit to yourself that you've got a problem, no matter how much everyone around you knows it.
a tired, confused, befuddled, angry old man
You forgot "wrinkly".
Night folks.
Melior, agreed. Certain environmental factors will most certainly interact and perhaps alter the outcome, but evidence suggests it is rooted in biology.
Definitionally, sequencing is doing the right thing in the right order. No more, no less.
Adam, I've read a lot of the research, too. We have a long way to go. We really need better knowledge, better models for acquiring that knowledge. Right now we're still thrashing hard in the dark.
Definitionally, sequencing is doing the right thing in the right order. No more, no less.
Less, actually. It's doing something, right or wrong, in a specified order, and no judgment of if that's the right or wrong order. Just that there is *an* order.
Lots of paradigm shifts in medicine since I went to med school, some of them quite dramatic. We learned, for instance, that acid caused most ulcers, that you kept people in bed after surgery, that you gave everyone breathing treatments with respirators, that you did modified radical mastectomies for cancer of the breast. All disproven.
One of the topics I taught medical students involved the history of breast cancer treatment. The context was all. So the Halsted mastectomy, which would be a barbarity today, was, at its time, the first method since the Edwin Smith papyrus that offered any hope at all of cure. And on to today. I concluded by demanding that the students, rather than sit back, self-satisfied in their superiority over Halsted, think of a likely candidate in their knowledge base for ignominious repudiation during their practice lifetimes, as the science and art advance. Because it will happen, I told them. Count on it.
gotta go sleep--love you guys, and keep your eyes on the prize
Adam, I've read a lot of the research, too. We have a long way to go. We really need better knowledge, better models for acquiring that knowledge. Right now we're still thrashing hard in the dark.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
We agree, dear. And if we disagree, it is surely I that is wrong.
Well, a linky would be nice.
Definitionally, sequencing is doing the right thing in the right order. No more, no less.
I generally refer to it as order of operations, but same thing
You forgot "wrinkly".
melior | 08.10.08 - 1:20 am | #
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lol...oops! I could of added more but it would have been redundant.
The honest inventory part of AA is valuable, I'll say that. And hard, hard, hard.
strawhat says ☮
This is closely tied to the hooks Scientology use to ensnare people. They use that feeling of accomplishment to tie you to another person, giving him a powerful degree of control.
Adam, no, it doesn't mean you're wrong.
It means we don't know enough.
Yep, gonna get there sooner, rather than later.
That ulcer/H. pylorii example is another great one, Prof.
Sleep well.
If I can ever develop a more comprehensive mathematical model (I do it for antibiotic resistance but it would seem to be an adaptive algorithm), perhaps that will lead us further into the mysteries of it all.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I'll bet you find more mysteries when you get there, after solving the present ones. Having spent a lifetime wrestling with it, and some consultation with experts in the field, (both of my uncles were Chairmans Emeritii of the pharmacology departments at their respective universities), it has been a subject of real interest for me. I should get certified but I may want to smoke pot again.
You count comments?
tweaker?
Clancy at the Bar
it is just, you seem so new here yet have such a command of Eschaton history and you certainly have a good repore with certain commenters?
Honestly I've never gone to AA as I never had a drinking problem but I will say that it did help a friend of mine who was a complete lush, drank until he'd pass out. He has been sober now for over fourteen years.
Have you ever killed the wrong person?
Melior, I was thinking more of the honest inventory *of yourself,* not the reporting to a sponsor (which does feel risky to me--who's to say the sponsor's trustworthy?). Self-deception is what I was thinking of.
i liked AA. yeah, i'm still an alcoholic. but i did mention they saved me from born again christianity?
was it john lennon who said there is no harder drug than jesus.
or maybe that's not exactly how he said it.
Dude, everyone you kill is the wrong person.
The other blog has edited their post so much I have no fuckin clue what their original stupidity was. Just looks like delusional rambling.
Yep. I have no idea why chidy bothers with that place...
Hey fake Mrs. Peel, shouldn't you be over at the dying Americablog or Unruly Slobs???
As I said earlier, this Mrs. Peel is a name stealing, cyber stalking troll who doesn't have the guts to use it's known name from a previous blog.
Uncle Fester: Honestly I've never gone to AA as I never had a drinking problem but I will say that it did help a friend of mine who was a complete lush, drank until he'd pass out. He has been sober now for over fourteen years.
Diff'rent Strokes To Rule The World!™
Really. We're all fucked up in our own special way.
Snowflakes.
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Have you ever tried to give sanity a bad name?
this is a good, tough, advert
http://obama.3cdn.net/
b80f67dbc6...7_0tm6va8pw.mp3
AA offers two good things things:
One: It is by your efforts that you will be free. Ad Astra per aspera.
Two: You are not alone.
Beyond that, the religious stuff, worse perhaps because it is hidden away, is a little freaky. And, probably, counter-productive.
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I should get certified but I may want to smoke pot again.
Clancy at the Bar
Modern pharmaceutical corporations would love to market pot therapeutically, if only they could remove that annoying euphoric effect that often accompanies its use. Lethal dose is unmeasurable.
"Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia left the Olympics in China and arrived Saturday evening in Vladikavkaz, a city in southern Russia just over the border. State-controlled news broadcasts showed Mr. Putin meeting generals, suggesting that he was directly in charge of military operations, eclipsing the authority of President Dmitri A. Medvedev.....
“Georgia is a sovereign nation, and its territorial integrity must be respected,” President Bush said at the Olympics in Beijing. “We have urged an immediate halt to the violence and a stand-down by all troops. We call for the end of the Russian bombings.”...
...“Russia has launched a full-scale military operation, on air, land and sea. We have entered a totally new realm — politically, legally and diplomatically.”
...Mr. Putin made clear that Russia now viewed Georgian claims over the breakaway regions to be invalid, and that Russia had no intention of withdrawing. “There is almost no way we can imagine a return to the status quo,” he said in remarks on Russian state television.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/1...&hp&
oref=slogin
I sure hope this doesn't interfere with shrubs viewing of the Olympic Games.....
Or maybe Pootie Poot has exchanged Georgia war for shrubs Iran war.
Bush, McShitstain, Yeltsin, Putin.
I'm sick of these fucking guys who claim that their pet wars are gonna be cool.
Fuck. Them. All.
I want a leader whos says "war is a last resort, simple as that. I'm a civilised, peaceful person, and sometimes that means taking 'no' for an answer".
Fuck I hate these violent, greedy assholes.
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it is just, you seem so new here yet have such a command of Eschaton history and you certainly have a good repore with certain commenters?
Mrs. Peel
I shall stop that immediately!
Self-deception is what I was thinking of.
strawhat says ☮
I see what you mean. The auditors are a bit different -- manipulating you into self-deception, and then getting you to assign them credit for the value you identify in it.
i won't ever forget the day my sponsor, a Fordahm philosophy grad., and applicant to Oxford, told me in the Hopkins library, "charley, it really doesn't matter what you think."
seriously, i will never forget that.
Lethal dose is unmeasurable.
melior
I don't believe the LD 50 of Cannabinol has ever been determined but any substance in a large enough dosage is a toxin.
"I shall stop that immediately!"
Butttt but buut, I'm in your thrall.
.
Maybe I should start a homeopathic religion...
The more you dilute the rituals, the better you feel. When they're undetectable, you're cured!
I don't believe the LD 50 of Cannabinol has ever been determined but any substance in a large enough dosage is a toxin.
Clancy at the Bar
I stand corrected, I should have said "indeterminable". Test subject physically suffocates from ingestion before any other toxic effects are noted. Even water don't do that.
Clancy, one question that fascinates me is: what draws an individual to a particular substance?
That's not a question I seek an answer to, but it does intrigue me.
I've gotten my model to where it can predict protein changes, but it's still meaningless--what changes are significant? At what point in the cascade does resistance take hold? What is the very nature of resistance?
As I said, I'm hoping it will be an adaptive algorithm.
“Georgia is a sovereign nation, and its territorial integrity must be respected,” President Bush said at the Olympics in Beijing. “We have urged an immediate halt to the violence and a stand-down by all troops. We call for the end of the Russian bombings.”...
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Bah hahahaha..Umm...George, Iraq was a sovereign nation too but that didn't stop you from bombing, invading and occupying it while killing over 500,000 Iraqi citzens.
The f**king idiot in chief just doesn't get that in the eyes of the world he is irrelevant and thanks to his illegal conquest of war, torture and secret prisons he no longer has the right to criticize other countries.
Mrs. Peel,
I lurk here frequently and have for years. I just like to keep my distance.
Really long time commenters might recognize one of my many names - one el gato negro really got a kick out of - The Cheeto in Toby's Beard. There. I have outed myself. May I stay awhile longer?
I'd be keen to start a religion based on the ukulele.
Difficult to fuck with someone's shit, if you are playing a ukulele.
Then again, I remember this one guy who started clapping along while I was playing "Yesterday". I wanted to chop that fucker's hands off at the wrists.
.
De Niro turns 65 this month
Clancy, the fake Mrs. Peel is a psycho hose beast. She is to be ignored
Gilly Gonzylon: De Niro turns 65 this month
I think I like him.
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"charley, it really doesn't matter what you think."
That's great. It's like when the venture capitalist told our team with the 'revolutionary' new idea, "Ideas are cheap. Execution is priceless."
Have you ever tried to give sanity a bad name?
Scientology Auditor Bob
I went to a purity ball, and got thrown out.
So did 15 little girls with me.
Dads were pissed.
Dammit.
My PC won't read any SD card above 1MB.
.
My PC won't read any SD card above 1MB.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
You need 130 watt power supply obviously.
Barry from AK: I went to a purity ball, and got thrown out.
So did 15 little girls with me.
Dads were pissed.
THAT is a short "film" worth making...!!!!!
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My PC won't read any SD card above 1MB.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
BIOS patch for that?
I think I like him.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 08.10.08 - 1:38 am | #
I'm watching "Mean Streets" right now. Marty's first movie, and he's already loading the soundtrack with Stones tunes. De Niro is good in this flick, but he really rocks in that Jodie Foster flick.
"May I stay awhile longer?"
I didn't know permission was required
That's great. It's like when the venture capitalist told our team with the 'revolutionary' new idea, "Ideas are cheap. Execution is priceless."
melior | 08.10.08 - 1:39 am | #
Sometimes even VCs are right.
Difficult to fuck with someone's shit, if you are playing a ukulele.
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TelltaleHeart
Eeek! You're channelling Vonnegut!
melior: BIOS patch for that?
Not that HComPaq will own up to, no.
Presario V2000 CTO
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Bush criticizing Russia about bombing Georgia is the equivilant to a serial murderer chastising someone for killing a bug.
Regular programming will now be interrupted by a stoner movie.
THAT is a short "film" worth making...!!!!!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I'm happy that you put quotes about the "film" and not "short" part of that.
Clancy, one question that fascinates me is: what draws an individual to a particular substance?
A good question. If I had my choice right now, I'd be popping opiates or smoking pot. I always found heroin to be very hallucinogenic, in the way opium dreams are. The thing with stimulants, especially cocaine, what draws one to it is usuall peer pressure or wanting to be cool and fit in. What keeps them coming back is the the sensation of every synapse in your brain all firing at once on the pleasure switch. Kind of hard to argue with that. It is about escape for most people. Or wanting to squeeze more hours into a day.
Regular programming will now be interrupted by a stoner movie.
Le Jackel
Is it over already?
Sometimes even VCs are right.
rootless-e
True words. It was like someone told us our Santa Claus didn't exist. We left feeling gut punched.
But he was right.
clancy is the black cat? i would have never guessed.
and my last bit of unwanted wisdom, not mine.
thought is your enemy, death is your only friend. krishanmurti
most people reject that, but i find it imminently comforting.
Regular programming will now be interrupted by a stoner movie.
After the last few days, I could deal with some Harold and Kumar.
Barry from AK: I'm happy that you put quotes about the "film" and not "short" part of that.
I would love to get people in front of a camera to do this. It would be fun.
.
"Dammit.
My PC won't read any SD card above 1MB."
Sure it's not a fake card? EBay's awash with them, mostly from China. They are ginned-up so even the 'puter sees them as 4Gb or wehatever, but in fact they are 256Mb or somesuch...
Problems come when you try to load more than the actual capacity of data on to them. Might appear to accept the full file, but it goes all weird thereafter.
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True words. It was like someone told us our Santa Claus didn't exist. We left feeling gut punched.
But he was right.
melior
*gasp*
Waaaaaahhhhh!
When Bush first heard that Russia was bombing Georgia, he probably asked if Atlanta was hit.
"After the last few days, I could deal with some Harold and Kumar."
hey - you ok?
Uncle B, I'm fine. It's the news that's making me nuts
Nobody's reading Mark Ames in The Nation?
"The meaning of this is clear: the United States and Britain are backing Saakashvili's invasion. Why would we back Saakashvili's reckless war, when last year even Bush was denouncing the Pinochet-wannabe's violent attack on his own people during a peaceful opposition protest in Georgia's capital, as well as shutting down the opposition media and exiling of political opponents? That would be a brain-teaser if the last seven years hadn't answered this question so many painful times already.
But with McCain, answering this is a little trickier. When he issued today's Des Moines statement calling for Russia to do what Russia already did a few hours earlier, you have to ask yourself: either McCain's short-term memory is totally shot, encased in an impenetrable tomb of aluminum-zirconium plaque... or worse, McCain simply doesn't give a damn about reality, he just wants to get Georgia's war on, as badly as Saakashvili does.
The awful truth is probably a combination of the two, which is the worst of all worlds, considering McCain's raving Russophobia, and his campaign team's financial and ideological ties to Saakashvili. As has been reported, McCain's top foreign policy advisor, neocon Randy Scheunemann, has a long financial relationship with Saakashvili to lobby his interests in the United States."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/200...c/20080818/
ames
Hey! This computer doesn't show my gravatar...
When Bush first heard that Russia was bombing Georgia, he probably asked if Atlanta was hit.
http://valleywag.com/5034988/goo...ading-the-
south
never mind... I'm blind.
Uncle B, I'm fine. It's the news that's making me nuts
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 08.10.08 - 1:45 am | #
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I hear you Sallyh!
TelltaleHeart: Sure it's not a fake card? EBay's awash with them, mostly from China. They are ginned-up so even the 'puter sees them as 4Gb or wehatever, but in fact they are 256Mb or somesuch...
Well, it was a fellow Atriot who sent them. The camera worked with them, but I didn't try putting a 2GB file on there, yet.
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"It's the news that's making me nuts"
well, yeah.
you know i fuss over you
True words. It was like someone told us our Santa Claus didn't exist. We left feeling gut punched.
But he was right.
melior | 08.10.08 - 1:43 am | #
unusual in a VC, but not impossible.
Clancy, the fake Mrs. Peel is a psycho hose beast. She is to be ignored
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
yup, however you have always seemed available to the otherwise ignored trolls - curiousery ... I guess we'll sort it all out when we see you in Oregon
“Georgia is a sovereign nation, and its territorial integrity must be respected,” President Bush said at the Olympics in Beijing. “We have urged an immediate halt to the violence and a stand-down by all troops. We call for the end of the Russian bombings.”...
Now watch this putt......
I didn't know permission was required
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I was just teasing Mrs. Peel. She is right to be somewhat suspicious and very perceptive. I really am a curmudgeon and a bit of a recluse. I'm abit eccentric but quite harmless, and I feel like I know most of you pretty well but you don't know me and that is a bit unsettling and probably unfair. I must have been lurking here on and off since 04. Every now and then commenting. And I like to make up silly names, but only namesteal trolls.
some snippets about vietnam which are so sadly true about the Dick and W's Glorious Adventure in Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p...h?
v=pbtujMKcVOA
Uncle B, and I love you for it.
Was actually a very nice week. Things are definitely on a positive trajectory.
Waaaaaahhhhh!
ellroon, blogosaurus
Like strawhat said about admitting your own failings, it can be really hard to admit to yourself you might have wasted an entire year of hard work. And that your awesome idea may be just fine -- only not really worth much in dollars all by itself.
Now watch this putt......
pigboy
Condi's response:
Damn shoe prices going up again in Atlanta.
“Georgia is a sovereign nation, and its territorial integrity must be respected,” President Bush said at the Olympics in Beijing. “We have urged an immediate halt to the violence and a stand-down by all troops. We call for the end of the Russian bombings.”...
Since when, Georgie?
"Things are definitely on a positive trajectory."
Muah!!
Clancy, the fake Mrs. Peel is a psycho hose beast. She is to be ignored
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Ah... She is still perceptive. Sociopaths usually are. Advantage fake mrs peel. And thanks for infoming me, but she had a point. Still, I don't namesteal regulars. Shame on her.
And that your awesome idea may be just fine -- only not really worth much in dollars all by itself.
melior | 08.10.08 - 1:49 am | #
The trouble with VCs is that they usually don't know either. They try to evaluate everything by 10 minute pitches and their business model is really weird. if you had an idea that was guaranteed to produce a 20M/year company with a 20% profit margin, they would be completely uninterested.
"Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sov-e-reign ent-it-y. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities. Heh."
(audience laughs)
- Codpiece McPretzelChoker
"I feel like I know most of you pretty well but you don't know me and that is a bit unsettling and probably unfair."
so - stay. as yourself.
it might be worth it...
"Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sov-e-reign ent-it-y. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities. Heh."
(audience laughs)
- Codpiece McPretzelChoker
melior
Exactly. The C student trying to fill out an exam question... hoping the professor won't notice he doesn't know shit...
Clancy...Mrs. Peel is a troll stealing the original Mrs. Peels name. The loser doesn't even have the gravatar of the original Mrs. Peel.
If you don't believe me, check out it's comments. Adding nothing, hinting at "some other" commenters, trying to stir up shit. Just ignore the loser...and I mean loser. It is a punk ass from another blog who comes here cyber stalking me. But since others have now noticed the phony coward it hasn't yet come straight out to attack me like it has in the past.
"I feel like I know most of you pretty well but you don't know me and that is a bit unsettling and probably unfair."
There is a new me in the last 90 days, and I'm not sure I like myself anymore, how's that?
really
"Still, I don't namesteal regulars."
only the cool kids get their manes stolen. and it is a well known fact that I am not cool
their business model is really weird. if you had an idea that was guaranteed to produce a 20M/year company with a 20% profit margin, they would be completely uninterested.
rootless-e
That's exactly what happened to us. He wanted us to grow real fast so they could flip the corp. We realized that's not at all what we wanted.
We knew he was still right about our idea though, dammit. Bcak to the old drawing board.
"really"
really? you seem the same more or less.
it might be worth it...
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I believe I shall. Very smart people here. Lurking has been like attending classes for me.
only the cool kids get their manes stolen. and it is a well known fact that I am not cool
Uncle Blodge,
Are now!
Welcome to the club.
Clancy, I do hope you'll visit more often, and make your presence known
I'm not sure I like myself anymore, how's that?
really
Barry from AK in Ohio
No no, you look MARvelous!
No, I'm Spartacus!
Um.. is everybody pretending to be everybody else this time of night? Because I can't keep track ...
"Welcome to the club.|"
thank you. I weep with joy.
however, i still don't know the music and movies that people discuss.
although I do know a great place for pizza not far from the pet shop in the rocky movies.
Uncle Blodge, I'll take the pizza
"is everybody pretending to be everybody else this time of night?"
it happens.
wait a bit and everyone will be pretending to be someone else and talking about fucking.
That's exactly what happened to us. He wanted us to grow real fast so they could flip the corp. We realized that's not at all what we wanted.
We knew he was still right about our idea though, dammit. Bcak to the old drawing board.
melior | 08.10.08 - 1:54 am | #
many people do not understand the statistical effects of an investment from someone who has a "let 10 fail so one can hit it big" plan. That strategy shifts risk to the investee from the investor. sometimes it is worth it, obviously, but it is a gamble.
No no, you look MARvelous!
melior
I have a task melior, and it's kinda hard to get help on it is all.
Its making me crazy.
I felt a liitle guilt about it, Uncle Blodge. It isn't really big deal but it did bother me a little. So in spite of herself, the fake mrs peel effected a serendiptous outcome when she clearly intended to disturb shit. It must suck for her.
wait a bit and everyone will be pretending to be someone else and talking about fucking.
Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.
See, it gets confusing
"I'll take the pizza"
great hoagie place up the block that carries coconut soda. I like the stuff - tastes more like cream soda than the insides of a mounds. but I like it
I have a task melior, and it's kinda hard to get help on it is all.
Its making me crazy.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Sorry, I was not trying to make light. Well, I was, but only to make you laugh.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | Homepage | 08.10.08 - 1:59 am | #
m'already crazy
Barry from AK: See, it gets confusing
That's a $1M t-shirt.
DO IT!
.
Sorry, I was not trying to make light. Well, I was, but only to make you laugh.
melior
I'll be ok, and always here as the dottering old uncle for everyone.
"I'll be ok, and always here as the dottering old uncle for everyone."
yeah but go ahead and bitch if it'll help
That's a $1M t-shirt.
DO IT!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I've been out done by the guy with the "more people have seen my t-shirt than your blog"
That one was good.
I felt a liitle guilt about it, Uncle Blodge.
Clancy at the Bar
Oh, raised Catholic too, eh?
BB -- Need a chat?
.
, I do hope you'll visit more often, and make your presence known
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Yes, Ms. Sally. I will.
Fortunately you missed my sappy, flowery prose as I bid you good night on the previous thread. That would have been a deal breaker.
Ahoy, there.
A French programmer I worked with wore a shirt that said,
"be quiet and go away, or I shall replace you with a very small shell script."
BB -- Need a chat?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I just need to sit down, no distractions, and write some irc scripts.
That tootless bastard is way, way under my skin.
I'm confused. Is talking about pizza code?
"Is talking about pizza code?"
yes but it's not fucking
I'm confused. Is talking about pizza code?
ellroon presuming
Where are the anchovies, Kenneth?
A French programmer I worked with wore a shirt that said,
I think i may have fired that guy.
Oh, raised Catholic too, eh?
melior
Not quite. The Catholics don't have a monopoly on guilt, you know. I'm actually a WASP but born in NYC, father was a doctor, supposed to be a lawyer or doctor but spent years in the music and recording biz, I think I'm half Jewish, and i don't mind that.
Oh come now. Some pizza can be as good as fucking... double cheese dripping and melting in gentle pools, tomato sauce slathered to the very edges of the soft pliant dough swelling with the heat....
"I felt a liitle guilt about it, Uncle Blodge."
it's optional.
people came to eschacon who were only lurkers. no one spat at them or called them baby killers.
I'd say you can skip the guilt - but I'm not senior atriot present.
Not quite. The Catholics don't have a monopoly on guilt, you know.
Now I feel guilty for assuming that.
I feel guilty about eating pizza...
"The Catholics don't have a monopoly on guilt, you know."
they certainly cornered the market on nuns though...
Ahoy, there.
Avast!! matey!!
fucking trolls
I think i may have fired that guy.
rootless-e
Dude, comments in French suh huh huck.
Barry from AK: That tootless bastard is way, way under my skin.
I did this with Atlantic Records, back before the Internet was a capitalist free-for-all.
Got writ in a book and a couple of magazines for it.
Now, I just need to focus on making that long, HONEST green.
.
I feel guilty about farting
(not really)
fourlegsgood!!!
welcome to the party. there's pizza!!
they certainly cornered the market on nuns though...
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
My husband can tell stories of crazed nuns with rulers...
You don't try to leave the world by joining a nunnery and then think you can teach teenaged boys...
And bad STL-based code with French variable names is arguably worse.
4lg, you has emial.
Or email, i dunno which is which.
Now I feel guilty for assuming that.
melior
That'll teach you. I've always had a weakness for Catholic girls, but it might have been the uniform. Hell, I love any girl in a uniform. Maybe it's really the uniforms. Amish girls?
Just musing.... The more time I spend here, the more the trolls convince me that the current Republican Party is a cult, and that a fair percentage of the population is in dire need of deprogramming....
JP
With Ed, I think I need to back off, and then social engineer him, something you suggested long ago.
Avast!! matey!!
fourlegsgood, evil empire | Homepage | 08.10.08 - 2:09 am | #
What's the good word? I'm completely fucking fried, personally.
You know its true though. Into the 'oughts the army guys who took marines prisoner during wargames beat the living shit out out of them. And vice versa. What exactly do you think they did to suspect Arabs in a time of war.
fucking trolls
Mrs. Peel
What are you wearing right now?
"The more time I spend here, the more the trolls convince me that the current Republican Party is a cult, and that a fair percentage of the population is in dire need of deprogramming...."
go with that. you're on the right track.
And bad STL-based code with French variable names is arguably worse.
melior | 08.10.08 - 2:12 am | #
it's weird how bad european programming is. A couple of years ago i saw some excellent work from Germany and was surprised until I met the team: an israeli, couple of costa ricans, some palestinians, russian or two, ...
JP has voice mail
a fair percentage of the population is in dire need of deprogramming....
montag
Better exception handlers at least.
"
What are you wearing right now?"
you really want to know?
There may be a delay while I torrify myself.
Dont ask if ya don't know.
Hell, I love any girl in a uniform.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_Kyj6MaNL...00-h/
heels2.jpg
http://bp3.blogger.com/
_Kyj6MaNL...an+regiment.jpg
Just musing.... The more time I spend here, the more the trolls convince me that the current Republican Party is a cult, and that a fair percentage of the population is in dire need of deprogramming....
montag | Homepage | 08.10.08 - 2:12 am | #
I often wonder how many of our trolls actually care about politics, versus drama and disruptiveness. I really don't think we have that many true believers. Petzold, definitely...but most other people just seem like lame performance artists.
That said, what we're going to do with the 25% of the population who have no problem considering themselves smarter than postdoctoral climatologists and biologists, I have no fucking clue.
Barry from AK: With Ed, I think I need to back off, and then social engineer him, something you suggested long ago.
I can't help but think, with a smart, pillar-of-the-community guy we have in you, with what looks like a prime Democratic opportunity in AK this year...
But we all serve in our way.
.
That second one is great, MikeJ. Thanks.
Blodge, if it's the right uniform I'm afraid I might.
it's weird how bad european programming is.
rootless-e
I can't really generalize, but in this case definitely. The only real self starter was a Brit.
Some of the best graphic artists I've ever worked with though. Especially the character modellers and animators, drew gorgeous women with beautiful hands. Hard to do.
The French dudes I met all seemed to have a special obsession about women though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q...h?
v=QcE6CdR60NY
but most other people just seem like lame performance artists.
Sure, but the drama and disruptiveness has a focus and comes from a particular direction. And, it's terribly mindless in nature. Whatever's the talking point of the day gets repeated.
Maybe I find that more worrisome than do you.
The French dudes I met all seemed to have a special obsession about women though.
melior | 08.10.08 - 2:19 am | #
Most dudes have special obsessions with women.
But european women deal with a very high level of shit, if that's what you mean.
what we're going to do with the 25% of the population who have no problem considering themselves smarter than postdoctoral climatologists and biologists, I have no fucking clue.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
The way I see it, they don't necessarily see themselves as smarter. They just think smart is way, way, way overrated.
I often wonder how many of our trolls actually care about politics, versus drama and disruptiveness.
Sadly, "drama and disruptiveness" seem to have become part of the American political DNA. It may have always been like that here. Everywhere. It would be nice to see less of it. Certainly the internet gives rise to much of it.
Hi Folks: So anyone here seen the new Batman?
Hi Folks: So anyone here seen the new Batman?
Spocko
Yes. Fun.
What are you wearing right now?
Clancy at the Bar | 08.10.08 - 2:14 am | #
I'm actually a guy but right now I am wearing my moms panties and pushup bra.
But european women deal with a very high level of shit, if that's what you mean.
rootless-e
I can only really speak to Paris, but they had a unique cultural thing going on. It was a bit like the macho thing that's in Hispanic culture. Only with a bit more poutiness and a whole lot more drama.
And in some notable cases, a whole lot less deodorant.
Mrs. Peel | 08.10.08 - 2:24 am | #
and you were hoping for the catsuit...
Bonsoir!
a picture of Bush, making you proud americans once again...
http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/ol...lympique/?
p=190
There must be something wrong with me. Every woman I ever had a relationship with dumps me for a woman. I guess when all of my friends and family were right when they always call me an asshole.
I can only really speak to Paris, but they had a unique cultural thing going on. It was a bit like the macho thing that's in Hispanic culture. Only with a bit more poutiness and a whole lot more drama.
And in some notable cases, a whole lot less deodorant.
melior | 08.10.08 - 2:24 am | #
laugh.
(can never remember that smiley thing)
The drama, the instigating "Let's you & him fight" shit, the hints of behind-the-scenes plays going on -- that kind of crap gets so old so fast. Even faster IRL. We've got one like that in my office.
laugh.
(can never remember that smiley thing)
rootless-e
colon lol colon without the spaces and the : instead of the colon ....
I'm out kids, more tomorrow
a picture of Bush, making you proud americans once again...
http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/ol.../ol...lympique/
? p=190
plum p,better democrats please
OMG plum, that's priceless!
(for rootless-e, that's colon lol colon)
it's fucking infuriating to see this again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...h?v=ZZj4-
t9YrEw
it works, it really works and so does my cats tongue on my testicles. purrrr
(pours fizzy beverage for ellroon)
It's like Chimpy has caught the same end-of-career sudden meltdown thing Britney Spears had.
Ali your linky no worky
Our president has no class.
(pours fizzy beverage for ellroon)
Ali, not Bob Dole
Appreciate that! And the fact you won't fall off any stages.
Batman was a much bigger movie than I expected. Maybe it's because of my own secret identity and my desire to make nasty conseratives pay for their words that makes me relate to the characters in these movies.
There was so much going on in the movie that I don't think I appreciated it all. What I especially like is some of the themes it brings up that represent what I see as themes of today's Conservative government.
Our president has no class.
Clancy at the Bar
you reckon?
Mrs. Peel, my linky is plum's linky - http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/ol...lympique/?
p=190
Spocko !!
how is you?
Spocko !!
how is you?
sorry bout the double post
thanks for the programming help.
you reckon?
plum p,better democrats please
Unfortunately, and that's not even the half of it.
Watertiger has more of those photos of Georgie...
Better. I've had the flu for about a week. Today was the first day I felt normal.
Saw Batman today to get me out of the house.
i'm watching the Women's road race (cycling) final. The smog is something else. I keep thinking my tv screen is dirty. But it's just the colour of the air in Beijing.
again, i expect deaths during the marathon.
"Better."
glad to hear it.
got to go sleep - and then there were 19...
again, i expect deaths during the marathon.
plum p,better democrats please | 08.10.08 - 2:39 am
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Wow. Deaths during the marathon would be SO authentic!
Watertiger has more of those photos of Georgie...
ellroon presuming
my fucking gawd. Laura must be so damn proud.
and people in my country are complaining about our Prime Minister not showing himself at all at the Olympics. I guess we're lucky after all!
I still see 20
21! It's Enron accounting.
walt rostow - my god, i forgot what a scumball he was. A Kagan worthy wanker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-...h?v=-
g5Kg9Yhzh4
my favorite headline of the day:
Lieberman cuts $100,000 check to Democrats, apparently in effort to save post
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/
Li...crats_0809.html
bless the pathetic senator!
Lieberman is on the short list for McBush's VP.
That's because Lieberman will make sure McCain will bomb Iran.
NBC's late night Olympic coverage. The same volleyball game for the last 3 hours. Those fuckers just go home don't they? Get to work assholes, you're not fooling anyone.
Lieberman is on the short list for McBush's VP.
I think even Lieberman knows better than to take that job if it is offered. He's likely to opt for a cabinet appt. after a McCain victory which even he must realize is an increasingly unlikely eventuality.
Stars wars, NATO expansion, and all around macho blow hardism of the Neocons have resulted in this war. Russia is making an example out of Georgia, The oil pipeline is nothing to Putin. He is telling Washington "Fuck You. You kicked us when we were down and now we are rich because of your war in Iraq. Every country flirting with NATO membership and missile shields has been put on notice. Russia is back and they are not going to take it any more."
I feel bad for Georgia. Being stuck next to Russia sucks. They truly got nothing at all from sucking Bush's dick for 8 years.
Georgia 'pulls out of S Ossetia'
Georgia says its forces have withdrawn from the separatist enclave of South Ossetia, and that Russian troops are now in control of the regional capital.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
7552012.stm
and strangely...look at the silver and bronze medal at air pistol competition today:
Women's 10m air pistol final
1 W Guo (China) 492.3 pts Gold
2 N Paderina (Russia) 489.1 Silver
3 N Salukvadze (Georgia) 487.4 Bronze
could have been dangerous...
Lieberman cuts $100,000 check to Democrats, apparently in effort to save post
No doubt that some of the Dems can be bought off by that, but... he's chair of the government oversight and Homeland Security committee, and has done next to nothing in twenty months.
Whether that's out of some truly warped, but sincere, sense of bipartisanship, or he's just covering for his prick friends on the right, I suspect that there have been no end of rumblings to the effect that the latter is the real reason. Don't think that money is going to do him much good, when things finally shake out in November.
Air Pistols?
Well I'll be damned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...h?
v=6kxOBQDlsnI
Obama is dangerously in synch with Moscow regarding the developing war with Georgia Republic. This guy is a flat out Socialist. America's future truly hangs by a slender thread. Wake up and think about it, American people !!
NBC's late night Olympic coverage. The same volleyball game for the last 3 hours. Those fuckers just go home don't they? Get to work assholes, you're not fooling anyone.
jj
meanwhile, LIVE on the CBC, we have the female american gymnasts doing their qualification round! But i guess that NBC are kepping this for prime time sunday in what? 17 hours from now?
man, if only Obama was a socialist... i would smile more.
Y'all be careful out there clicking on links in any email that says its from CNN.
Computerworld: August 8 - The massive attack that has infected PCs by tricking users into clicking links in fake messages from CNN.com shows little sign of ending soon, security researchers said Friday.
According to MX Logic Inc., spam posing as CNN.com Top 10 lists peaked at close to 11 million messages per hour early Thursday, but remained at high volumes throughout the day Friday.
It's nasty cause it tells you to update your Flash player then slips you a trojan.
The good news about this Russia/Georgia war? We have in place an EXPERT in Sovietology! Condi Rice! This was her specialty! Finally, she will be able to do something right in her major!
Don't think that money is going to do him much good, when things finally shake out in November.
montag
he's done and out anyway if he decides to talk at the GOP convention. And he's even more done and out if the dems get to magic 60 without needing his damn seat
a hard working white supremacist
Name field was truncated.
spocko - you have a distressing sense of humor.
This was her specialty! Finally, she will be able to do something right in her major!
Spocko
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
she's been in hiding anyway. she's been very low profile lately. Rats leaving the sinking ship, etc.
It's nasty cause it tells you to update your Flash player then slips you a trojan.
melior
Fortunately I would never click on link to CNN.
a hard working white supremacist
Name field was truncated.
melior
Good call.
Obama is dangerously in synch with Moscow regarding the developing war with Georgia Republic. This guy is a flat out Socialist. America's future truly hangs by a slender thread. Wake up and think about it, American people !!
a hard working white
Amazing. More robotic every day. Hand `em the talking points of the day, and it's political GIGO.
Orwell was a keen observer.
she's been in hiding anyway. she's been very low profile lately. Rats leaving the sinking ship, etc.
plum p,better democrats please | 08.10.08 - 2:59 am | #
Get me some shoes!
There! Are! FOUR! LIGHTS!
.
woah!
you should see the quality of the air at the rowing site. Black beans soup!
Orwell was a keen observer.
montag
Orwell was a socialist.
no kill i
.
Thanks for the chat JP, I've got 2 up at Eds, we will how long they last.
so Georgie looking into Putin's soul means that he's a socialist? Or just a deeply disturbed moronic dry drunk frat boy?
Those girls thighs are really phat or fat or something.
Orwell was a socialist.
A close reading of "Politics and the English Language" suggests that he wasn't too keen on the socialists, either.
But, he did understand, very well, how easy it is to make drones of people in love with the sound of stirring phrases....
Condi will be brought out of hiding for this. She will do her usually good job of pushing Cheney's agenda. So if you know what Cheney wants we will see it coming out of Condi's mouth.
Ha, ha, he seems so distant, but he was so hawt in the early 'nineties.
Condi will be brought out of hiding for this. She will do her usually good job of pushing Cheney's agenda. So if you know what Cheney wants we will see it coming out of Condi's mouth.
Spocko
Who could have forseen...
Been there, done that.
America's future truly hangs by a slender thread. Wake up and think about it
Wake up and realize you're sucking the skidmarks out the the underwear of people like Dick Cheney.
And you gleefully sell your kids and grandkids into the same (or worse) service, you asshole.
.
Condi will be brought out of hiding for this. She will do her usually good job of pushing Cheney's agenda. So if you know what Cheney wants we will see it coming out of Condi's mouth.
Spocko | Homepage | 08.10.08 - 3:07 am | #
She is working on her post bush career and will not come out.
This guy is a flat out Socialist. America's future truly hangs by a slender thread.
What wingers fail to comprehend is that the republican values and virtues of the Founders were not capitalistic in nature at all. Most of them, save for Hamilton, had no desire for a system like we have today. In many respects, republican values had as much in common with what many wingers would consider "socialism" today. They though nothing of taking private land for public use and the notion of the commons, general welfare and common good, as well as wealth distribution and strictly regulated markets, was the norm. When I began to find this out I was stunned and just marveled at how this historical fact has just been relegated to the memory hole. Like the fact that damn few of them were Christians.
Dude, don't ever come in here without my permission.
Dude, you need some fresh air.
JP...
Gone, reposted.
Sorry, I'm of one mindset.
Dude, you have to get used to it.
A close reading of "Politics and the English Language" suggests that he wasn't too keen on the socialists, either.
But, he did understand, very well, how easy it is to make drones of people in love with the sound of stirring phrases....
montag
Actually he was a democratic socialist. An avowed anti-fascist. Reading Homage to Catalonia will give you a clearer picture of his political views. It was actually liberals he had little respect for.
Dude, I am not your father, deal with it.
Actually he was a democratic socialist.
too upper class for my taste
Dude, are you still on drugs.
Condi will be brought out of hiding for this. She will do her usually good job of pushing Cheney's agenda. So if you know what Cheney wants we will see it coming out of Condi's mouth.
I don't think there's too much love lost between Kindasleezza and Cheney. Too many dust-ups in the past between them--especially due to Cheney going behind her back.
But, like so many academics of Russian studies in the past several decades, Kindasleezza really doesn't know how to deal with situations like this, because, ultimately, what she studied was a right-wing, but "realist," ideology toward the Soviets, rather than the Soviets themselves.
too upper class for my taste
rootless-e
Orwell?
Um, hardly.
That was cool, the stupid minion just didn't delete my reply, they deleted the eintire thread.
Jeebus almighty these people are stupid, and yet...
we let them vote.
Also in need of deprogramming:
Russ Feingold (D-Hedging Bets)
"I think the guy [McSame] calls 'em as he sees 'em, and as president would call 'em as he sees 'em, and would make people mad all over the place because it wouldn't fit anybody's playbook."
...
"But the notion that somehow (McCain) is going to get in there and be some kind of ideological Newt Gingrich right-winger is a joke. There's no way that he would do that," Feingold said.
...
"He's a very good legislator from my point of view, because when he gets onto something, he doesn't just want to introduce a bill, he likes to move it. And he's fearless."
i think Condi just doesn't care about any of it anymore. She knows she'll never get a Nobel prize...
Dude, it didn't seem like he was meeting anyone there.
Feingold has to get re-elected in Wisconsin, the current home of the John Birch society. It's a wonder he has been able to manage staying in office this long, but the state is trending blue.
Dude, he seemed phony.
She knows she'll never get a Nobel prize...
plum p,better democrats please
The presidential medal of freedom is a done deal, though.
Dude, its like dudes, he seemed fashionable.
First time I'm gonna ask:
Everyone head off to
http://pub36.bravenet.com/forum/...rum/3009070907/
and post anything ya want.
Just one deal, use my name, Barry from Alaska.
See how long your post lasts.
Thanks in advance.
and JP, sorry, as I said, I'm of one mindset right now.
JP: train Curly to do this:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/20...ures-kitteh-do/
could be funny!
The presidential medal of freedom is a done deal, though.
Clancy at the Bar
President Obama should just discontinue that medal as having been hopelessly devalued after Rummy anyway.
Create one with a different name that's stands for something again.
Orwell?
Um, hardly.
Clancy at the Bar | 08.10.08 - 3:16 am | #
Another Eton graduate.
Old guy has a tight ass.
Often attributed to Orwell but I have never found it in this form:
Liberals: Power worshippers without power.
I have read essays where he makes a similar critique, but not so bluntly and tersely, although he was quite capable of that. I may have just missed it but quotes are falsely attributed to Orwell like everyone else.
Reading Homage to Catalonia will give you a clearer picture of his political views. It was actually liberals he had little respect for.
Read it, thanks.
Doesn't change my view that, at least by 1947 or 1948, his views had soured on just about every formal political movement in Great Britain, including the Socialists, in large part because of what he saw as perversion of the language for deceptive political purpose all around him.
Can he be described as a "small d," "small s" democratic socialist through the latter half of his life? Yes, certainly. But, I think his views about formal politics, the battle of party against party, was extremely jaundiced by the time of his death.
The socialist origins of the fascistic Pledge of Allegiance.
http://www.marginalrevolution.co...ledge-of-
a.html
I got me a bitter dead enders...
who's gonna raise that?
Hehe, I'm the bitter barr.
It starts streaming some annoying slack jawed yokel talk radio if I enable that one plugin though.
i'm watching the Women's road race (cycling) final. The smog is something else. I keep thinking my tv screen is dirty. But it's just the colour of the air in Beijing.
again, i expect deaths during the marathon.
plum p,better democrats please | 08.10.08 - 2:39 am
Heh... and this is after the massive air clean up.
Not looking very good today on this end of China either.
twas such a treat to get away to the mountains in Korea to find clean air.
Ain't that a comment on the modernity and foolishness of life in the twenty-first motherfucking century or something.
All gone, that was fun I guess.
Another Eton graduate.
rootless-e
Obama: Another Harvard graduate.
Orwell's family had no property left by the time he was born. He was not from nobility, but the "gentility". He described his background as "lower-upper-middle class".
The Rush wannabe blather audio is streaming from IP 38.96.148.59:9908.
Maybe you can finger.
Hehe, I'm the bitter barr.
melior
Gone now, they is nasty about that stuff.
hee hee.
how come all the female rowers are pretty? not fair, dammit!
Go look for "Hidey ho" on Ed's page, Barry. Went up at 12:26 am stupid time.
Maybe you can finger.
melior
I can also fire up suckstream, that pisses off providers like crazy.
Doesn't change my view that, at least by 1947 or 1948, his views had soured on just about every formal political movement in Great Britain
English socialists, yes. I've read his critiques of Hayek's Road to Serfdom. He remained a democratic socialist or social democrat until his death.
Yes, I will take this one.
Don't recognize the adenoidal hick radio host voice, but he sounds kinda like the fat sheriff from Cool Hand Luke.
Don't recognize the adenoidal hick radio host voice, but he sounds kinda like the fat sheriff from Cool Hand Luke.
Go look for "Hidey ho" on Ed's page, Barry. Went up at 12:26 am stupid time.
baba durag
There now, how long...
tick tick tick...
The one deleting is someone named Poopy, from Scotland.
Stoopid haloscan internal server errors.
Orwell's family had no property left by the time he was born. He was not from nobility, but the "gentility". He described his background as "lower-upper-middle class".
Clancy at the Bar | 08.10.08 - 3:31 am
You don't end up being a police man in some backwater village of the Empire, if you're really part of the upper crust.
and did he actually finish eton?
Socialism is not a big scary vagina. I myself amd not a Marxist but social democracy is not something people should freak out about. Most of the industrialized democracies on the planet are social democracies with mixed economies.
"I say son, what we have heah is a failyuh to communicate."
Don't recognize the adenoidal hick radio host voice, but he sounds kinda like the fat sheriff from Cool Hand Luke.
melior
This guy, at 1 minute into the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...h?
v=558wIgs2c9k
Obama: Another Harvard graduate.
Orwell's family had no property left by the time he was born. He was not from nobility, but the "gentility". He described his background as "lower-upper-middle class".
Clancy at the Bar | 08.10.08 - 3:31 am | #
Good try, but the british class system is not the same as ours and a fellow who went to Eton partially on the basis of family connections that then helped him to become an official in the colonial rule of Burma is not the same as a guy who got into columbia and harvard on scholarship.
there's a great essay on orwell by EP Thompson called "outside the whale" (starting from a really interesting essay by orwell called "inside the whale" which is sort of about Henry Miller).
Whaaaatt we got Heeeerrrah is ah FAilure to communicate...
Perky Fox News bot: "That's him on the tractor!"
"I say son, what we have heah is a failyuh to communicate."
melior
Not only did melior type faster but said it better'n me.
Soda of your choice!
All gone, Barry. I think Ed's mad.
Whiner.
well, this social-democrat (i'm a québécoise after all) is going to bed
bonne nuit, all.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod...d/
ap080809.html
then helped him to become an official in the colonial rule of Burma
rootless-e | 08.10.08 - 3:38 am
Like this is something to be proud of?
and did he actually finish eton?
Presumably, yes. He spent four years there (1917-1921), but, he grew lackadaisical about his studies there, and his grades didn't warrant a scholarship so he could afterwards attend Oxbridge (his parents' desire for him), so, he ended up in the Indian Imperial Police.
But I walked all night in the rain. Plus I managed to slip in a word or two.
Here's the text I posted, on his Hillary for McCain board (shameless but appropriate Python ripoff)
"Bitter Deadenders for Barr:
I think that all good, right thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."
I consider myself a member of the gentility.
Granted Orwell was a a special case. He was highly intelligent and as you say, a keen observer of politics but he would never have been to keen of some liberal notions today. He would never brook any attempt to regulate firearms.
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or laborer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.
George Orwell
Legit quote.
Even Eugene v. Debs:
The Constitution of the United States guarantees to you the right to bear arms...You have the unquestioned right, under the law, to defend your life and protect the sanctity of your fireside. Failing in either, you are a coward and a craven and undeserving of the name of man.
so, he ended up in the Indian Imperial Police.
montag | Homepage | 08.10.08 - 3:41 am
sounds more like a get out of town diploma to a student whose grades are teh suck.
Next experiment...
go back to Ed's site, and say something positive about Obama.
See how long that lasts.
Use a different name this time.
Or, say something negative about McCain.
if you can, if you played in round one, you are probably IP banned from the comment board.
Just how ed works, nothing wrong with you.
Is it worth using a proxy, or are you just yankin his chain.
Phase 3
Go to Ed's site, and post anything under any name you want.
See how long that gets kept.
again, apologies to JP and Tom, I'm just being stuipd at this point.
Dude, you ain't got nearly enough channels.
I consider my member to be gentle.
Dude, you ain't got nearly enough channels.
Le Jackel
Moi?
I'm torrified.
literally, I got channels.
Hee
Like this is something to be proud of?
Tom - 大肚腩 | Homepage | 08.10.08 - 3:40 am | #
Working class brits did not become officers in the Indian Imperial Police.
Burmese Days is interesting, but he was an officer in the days when officers all had certain accents.
I defy anyone to read Road to Wiggan Pier nowdays and not be impressed by its anthropological approach to the curious working people.
I admire Orwell's writing, but his politics eventually reflected his upbringing as a master of empire - just as his disciple Hitchins.
'Night moonbats. Time for me to get horizontal.
Godspeed with your spanners in the works of nefarious machinery.
Granted Orwell was a a special case. He was highly intelligent and as you say, a keen observer of politics but he would never have been to keen of some liberal notions today. He would never brook any attempt to regulate firearms.
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or laborer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.
George Orwell
Clancy at the Bar | 08.10.08 - 3:43 am
Think it had something to do with his anti-imperial tendencies growing from his time in Burma as an Imperial enforcer.
Reading Burmese Days you get a sense of the disdain for the social stratification that dominated both Burmese and English societies at the time as well as the Empire's abuse of the state's monopoly on the use of force. (see also his anti-Fascism)
From its inception, in 1892, the Pledge of Allegiance has been a slavish ritual of devotion to the state, wholly inappropriate for a free people. It was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist pushed out of his post as a Baptist minister for delivering pulpit-pounding sermons on such topics as "Jesus the Socialist." Bellamy was devoted to the ideas of his more-famous cousin Edward Bellamy, author of the 1888 utopian novel Looking Backward. Looking Backward describes the future United States as a regimented worker's paradise where everyone has equal incomes, and men are drafted into the country's "industrial army" at the age of 21, serving in the jobs assigned them by the state...Bellamy's book inspired a movement of "Nationalist Clubs," whose members campaigned for a government takeover of the economy. A few years before he wrote the Pledge of Allegiance, Francis Bellamy became a founding member of Boston's first Nationalist Club....
Bellamy's ritual for honoring the flag was right in step with those other National Socialists. Here's a picture illustrating the recommended salute (which later was to became politically incorrect).
http://www.marginalrevolution.co...ion/
bellamy.gif
All gone, Barry. I think Ed's mad.
Whiner.
baba durag
I know this is stupid, but with two back cliks in the frame, I can resubmit, and make the troll have to ban me again.
Just something I like doing.
Like this is something to be proud of?
Tom - 大肚腩
A person's political consciousness evolves and develops over time and the arc of that evolution can tell you many things about them. Read his essay, Shooting an Elephan, sometime to see what he learned from his time in Burma.
You can find it on line.
it had something to do with his anti-imperial tendencies growing from his time in Burma as an Imperial enforcer.
Reading Burmese Days you get a sense of the disdain for the social stratification that dominated both Burmese and English societies at the time as well as the Empire's abuse of the state's monopoly on the use of force. (see also his anti-Fascism)
Tom - 大肚腩
Yes, I would agree.
Working class brits did not become officers in the Indian Imperial Police.
Burmese Days is interesting, but he was an officer in the days when officers all had certain accents.
rootless-e | 08.10.08 - 3:46 am
You sure about that? You sure of your colonial history?
Working class brits did not become officers in the Indian Imperial Police.
Burmese Days is interesting, but he was an officer in the days when officers all had certain accents.
This is gonna be ugly..,
Orwell felt that "pacifists were objectively pro-fascist". He and NTodd would probably not see eye to eye. He would oppose the imperial adventurism and neo-colonialism of current American foreign policy, but probably not consider neocons as fascists. He would still have problems with Code Pink. That is my take, at any rate. Yours may be different.
Barry:
"Why vote for smart? Vote for me!" by John McCain.
12:47 Standard Stupid Time.
I was a Barry from Alaska, but my post is gone. Slather it on like a trollop.
You sure about that? You sure of your colonial history?
Tom - 大肚腩
Rootless is a contrarian if I ever saw one. can't say I'm not a bit of a contrarian myself. My facts are better.
Wish you longevity, dude.
Hey, the big sticky petition thread is gone! Overzealous nuking, I'd guess.
Whoever did "The Difference" post, it was nice.
now gone, ed doesnt like that kind of thinking.
hee hee..
Rootless is a contrarian if I ever saw one. can't say I'm not a bit of a contrarian myself. My facts are better.
Clancy at the Bar | 08.10.08 - 3:55 am
contrarian? Nah. that's NTodd.
rootless just has a tendency to overreach with his blowhard routines.
and his reference to thompson shows him to be one of those whose commitment to ideology often blinds them to the facts on the ground.
For a bunch of Hillary supporters they sure seem happy about a Democratic union getting busted.
now gone, ed doesnt like that kind of thinking.
hee hee..
Barry from AK in Ohio
Are you guys fuckin' with Capt. Ed, again?
I might join you next time.
Gone now. But he hadn't banned my IP yet.
So, time to lay on the hard stuff.
For a bunch of Hillary supporters they sure seem happy about a Democratic union getting busted.
MikeJ
NFS dude!
Were you ever able to make any stronger connection between Ed and that oil company he uses the name of?
contrarian? Nah. that's NTodd.
Juvenile. With a two year olds' ego.
Are you guys fuckin' with Capt. Ed, again?
I might join you next time.
Clancy at the Ba
That would be Colonel Ed, but he won't give me his Marine Officer Qualification Report (OQR), so he private Ed to me.
Rootless is a contrarian if I ever saw one. can't say I'm not a bit of a contrarian myself. My facts are better.
Clancy at the Bar | 08.10.08 - 3:55 am | #
Contrarianism has nothing to do with it. that accent just gets on my nerves and I can hear it in his writing.
contrarian? Nah. that's NTodd.
L'enfant terrible!
rootless just has a tendency to overreach with his blowhard routines.
I went through that phase myself.
and his reference to thompson shows him to be one of those whose commitment to ideology often blinds them to the facts on the ground.
Tom -
I had the same problem. I am still working on that myself.
It takes 5 guys/gals to patroll Ed's site and keep it clean.
Or so Ed brags to me.
Two weeks later I got the fuck out of there.
Still unbanned, Barry. Is Poopy getting lazy? Or am I not prolific enough.
Wrinkly old white guys by Paris Hilton · Aug 10, 08 - 1:02 AM
That would be Colonel Ed, but he won't give me his Marine Officer Qualification Report (OQR), so he private Ed to me.
Barry from AK in Ohio
Wait till he runs for office.
Having said all that about socialism, I'm not exactly an anti-capitalist either. I like the things that corporations and capitalism provide us. Like computters and... computers. I'll think of some other stuff. But I am definitely not a free market fundamentalist.
and his reference to thompson shows him to be one of those whose commitment to ideology often blinds them to the facts on the ground.
Ah, E.P. Thompson is your idea of an ideologue?
Contrarianism has nothing to do with it. that accent just gets on my nerves and I can hear it in his writing.
rootless-e
That sounds like something you are smoking. If you share, I'll agree with anything you say. Kick down!
Contrarianism has nothing to do with it. that accent just gets on my nerves and I can hear it in his writing.
rootless-e | 08.10.08 - 4:05 am
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHA! Wanker extraordinaire with a self-conceived superior class consciousness projecting on to those he perceives as not being within his doctrinaire purview.
classist wanker! you probably misread maugham too.
Contrarianism has nothing to do with it. that accent just gets on my nerves and I can hear it in his writing.
Hmm. That's saying that one's opinions cannot change over time. He wrote, not as an upper class twit, as you might imagine, but as one receiving an education in what was a fairly rigid class environment. There's no percentage in believing that, for that reason, he agreed with that class or all of the education he received.
We all acquire habits of writing, for example, that stay with us for most of our lives. That doesn't mean that the content of what we write is solely bound in those habits of style.
Ah, E.P. Thompson is your idea of an ideologue?
rootless-e
I haven't read him but I will based on your comments. It sounds intriguing.
Good morning, wide-awake Eschatonians. 'Sup?
Gone now, Barry.
But Ed left you some messages...
Hmm. That's saying that one's opinions cannot change over time. He wrote, not as an upper class twit, as you might imagine, but as one receiving an education in what was a fairly rigid class environment. There's no percentage in believing that, for that reason, he agreed with that class or all of the education he received.
Well I certainly don't think that. My favorite Orwell piece is Homage to Catalonia which has a very different flavor and understanding than either Burmese Days or Coming up for air.