I have finished the sweater for my brother. It's fantastic, though perhaps not the best birthday present for someone in July.
Echidne |
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06.07.08 - 2:08 am | #
If I haven't been a victim of identity theft, is that because nobody likes me?
Douglas Hussein Watts |
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06.07.08 - 2:08 am | #
re-elect barack in 2012!
Woot!
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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06.07.08 - 2:09 am | #
I have finished the sweater for my brother. It's fantastic, though perhaps not the best birthday present for someone in July.
Echidne
a good sweater is always giftworthy, regardless of season
ok, really gone now
::matthew |
06.07.08 - 2:09 am | #
Old Man, isn't she gorgeous?
I am definitely biased in this regard, btw.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:09 am | #
Echidne, do you have, perhaps, a photo of said sweater?
Since we in PDX are still wearing sweaters (approx 56 degrees high temp today - so weird), we would be grateful for the image
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 2:09 am | #
If I haven't been a victim of identity theft, is that because nobody likes me?
Douglas Hussein Watts
nope - just luckin' fucky!
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 2:10 am | #
Old Man, isn't she gorgeous?
I am definitely biased in this regard, btw.
She is, and you should be!
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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06.07.08 - 2:11 am | #
buenas suerte, phila.
¡El Gato Negro! |
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06.07.08 - 2:11 am | #
Sarah Deere, how are you my sweet?
I've turned the furnace off and back on twice this spring. The clouds can't be helping Phila either.
ErinPDX |
06.07.08 - 2:12 am | #
echidne
yes, a certain poster did, and ErinPDX is the only person here who gave that certain poster any shit for it.
my eternal devotion to ErinPDX was at that point pretty much absolute.
but this is all in the past now. Re-Elect Obama in 2012.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
06.07.08 - 2:13 am | #
I hear ya, Erin. I've actually had the GD heat on, feeling so weirtd about it. Wearing polarfleece. Jeebus!!!!
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 2:14 am | #
Old Man, her dad's been a royal pain in the ass, but last night he (finally) let us watch her without him being there. And, we're paying for 75% of her day care.
I hope that his lawyer and Mlle's can work it out so that he isn't the one supervising her visits with her daughter. I'm going to leave that one alone. That's what lawyers get paid for.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:15 am | #
Well, as I sad in the previous thread, such behavior will bring the pox.
Echidne |
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06.07.08 - 2:15 am | #
hi sallyh grandmere - I live pretty much on the road... passing through LA tomorrow though - keep an eye out.
scarlet p. |
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06.07.08 - 2:16 am | #
Wearing polarfleece. Jeebus!!!!
Sarah Deere
yeah, i'm ready to shed this Laura Bush look. But damned that fleece is comfy.
ErinPDX |
06.07.08 - 2:16 am | #
Scarlet, will do!
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:16 am | #
I hear ya, Erin. I've actually had the GD heat on, feeling so weirtd about it. Wearing polarfleece. Jeebus!!!!
Wish we could send you some of our excess heat. Today was a break--it was only 95.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 2:17 am | #
Erin, I believe I recall the incident of which you speak. Your smackdown was well done.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:17 am | #
I hope that his lawyer and Mlle's can work it out so that he isn't the one supervising her visits with her daughter. I'm going to leave that one alone. That's what lawyers get paid for.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
these things are hard on the kids involved. when i was a kid i thought my father's middle name was "that son of a bitch"
Thank you Sallyh.
As you said earlier, so much of this is because of the bushies. Everyone is so desperate to get them the hell out so we can heal. We can't lose this time.
ErinPDX |
06.07.08 - 2:19 am | #
Tacitus, I don't think Maddy's dad badmouths her mom to her (although I can't swear to it). I know Mlle has kept her thoughts about her ex silent from Maddy. Maddy loves both of her parents. The one thing the two of them cannot do is denigrate the other.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:20 am | #
My brother is getting a night in a bed-and-breakfast place as a birthday present, too. Except that it's in Italy and rated as the most gorgeous b&b in the whole world. Hee.
Echidne |
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06.07.08 - 2:20 am | #
Old Man, going to therapy with Mlle tomorrow--I think that's a positive.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:20 am | #
Erin, I believe I recall the incident of which you speak. Your smackdown was well done.
I only saw the comments in question after the fact, and was very disappointed as I used to have a great deal of respect for the poster in question. I didn't see Erin's smackdown however.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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06.07.08 - 2:21 am | #
Echidne - that is a gorgeous sweater!!!!!
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 2:21 am | #
Thanks, Sarah Deere. It looks better in reality, actually, because the model in that pic is scrunching it up a bit.
Echidne |
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06.07.08 - 2:22 am | #
oh man, don't want to relive it
eye on the prize and such
Sallyh, as you may know my brother's wife died unexpectedly last Fri 5/30. I was in LA 5/31-6/5, being with him, and my son was there too. One of the things I tried to do was to keep her extremely weird (and acquisitive) family away from my bro as he tried desperately to come to grips w/his grief. It was a lot like watching a newborn giraffe struggle to its feet and learn to run within minutes across the veldt to escape the predators.
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 2:24 am | #
oh man, don't want to relive it
me neither. I lub me kidds too much, and I lubb that they will have a President who they can look up to.
Obama 08
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
06.07.08 - 2:24 am | #
Old Man, it was very unfortunate. Erin was very dignified about it, but I'd never seen her so angry. She was right to be as well.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:24 am | #
t was a lot like watching a newborn giraffe struggle to its feet and learn to run within minutes across the veldt to escape the predators.
Good grief. If it's that bad now, I hate to think what probate's going to be like for him....
montag |
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06.07.08 - 2:26 am | #
Sarah, you've had a year. And you're never self pitying. I don't know how you do it.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:26 am | #
Damn, two hours later, contemplating whether to click on the evening's vid (alas, from Atrios of the execrable taste rather than Echidne) reminds me of why I came in in the first place: Did anybody watch "House" on USA network tonight? I think it's the one that was on Fox earlier in the week but can't get that channel so don't know.
It's the one where Wilson's girlfriend comes to pick House up at a bar because he's shitfaced, and for some reason they wind up on a bus and anyway she winds up dead. They had two songs that played during the show and both were most excellent and I was wondering if anybody knows what they were.
I used to have a site that listed details for "House" episodes including music, but it's either lost or taken down leaving me in ignorance.
Xan |
06.07.08 - 2:26 am | #
And so to bed. Blessed be, beloved friends.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
06.07.08 - 2:27 am | #
Sarah Deere is just as spunky in person as she is on this blog.
ErinPDX
oh, fiddlesticks, Erin - I'm just a kindly little old geriatric
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 2:27 am | #
oh, fiddlesticks, Erin - I'm just a kindly little old geriatric
Re-elect Obama in 2012!
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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06.07.08 - 2:29 am | #
Sallyh, you know - and have demonstrated time and again that you know full well - one either laughs or cries, and more often than not, we do both. This is a good place to find our bootstraps, eh?
Love ya, dear - sleep well.
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 2:29 am | #
This is a good place to find our bootstraps, eh?
No wonder I'm in such difficulty... I ain't got any (least not since I gave up workboots for sneakers).
montag |
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06.07.08 - 2:31 am | #
Night Sally....oh, and that lemon poundcake? It fell on the floor, dreadful accident, terrible shame. But I cleaned it up for you, don't worry. But that's what happened to it, really.
Xan |
06.07.08 - 2:32 am | #
damned if i didn't sound ageist there.
sorry about that
ErinPDX |
06.07.08 - 2:32 am | #
Good night, all. Sleep well.
Echidne |
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06.07.08 - 2:34 am | #
damned if i didn't sound ageist there.
sorry about that
ErinPDX
Indeed. Ageism is the worst thing in the world, right up there with sexism and racism and homophobia and political flip-flopping and mentioning that someone is a cancer survivor etc.
I would say we should remember this but we are going to be reminded of it every other minute for the next (...counts on fingers, June-November, um) six months so we are probably not likely to forget.
Mentioning somebody's age is ageism. It's that simple. Let's never ever do it, except to condemn it.
Okay, that was a little incoherent. Anti-John McQuaint rant if this was not clear. Probably an indication I should also go and pass out. Night all.
Xan |
06.07.08 - 2:41 am | #
Mentioning somebody's age is ageism. It's that simple. Let's never ever do it, except to condemn it.
Hmm. Guess that means McCain gets a pass, eh?
montag |
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06.07.08 - 2:42 am | #
Ageism
Hmm. Guess that means McCain gets a pass, eh?
No there's enough reasons to dislike McCain without using his age as one of the reasons.
Doug |
06.07.08 - 2:46 am | #
You know, I've always hated Grease 2, but a quarter century later, this number's not half bad. I mean, it's silly, but aren't musicals supposed to be silly?
Ron |
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06.07.08 - 2:52 am | #
No there's enough reasons to dislike McCain without using his age as one of the reasons.
McCain on 60 Minutes: "Yes, you are right, I am a war criminal."
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
06.07.08 - 2:53 am | #
Ageism.....I'm okay with some of it. McCainnis too fucking old to be preznit. Really. He's too fucking old in his own mind, you see?
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 2:58 am | #
You know, I've always hated Grease 2, but a quarter century later, this number's not half bad.
I've just recently gotten to the point of tolerating the first Grease. I've never seen the second.
MikeJ |
06.07.08 - 2:58 am | #
No there's enough reasons to dislike McCain without using his age as one of the reasons.
Age, frankly, ought to be a consideration, as demanding as the Presidency has become over the years. The days when, as in the Calvin Coolidge years, a President could sleep eleven hours a night and take naps during the day (hence Dorothy Parker's remark when told of Coolidge's death, "how could they tell?") are long, long gone.
I don't get too excited over discussions about age, because it's something we all deal with in one way or another, either with ourselves, parents, whatever.
What I do know is that as long as one's mentally sharp, there's no reason to be denied any work that requires mental alertness. Same with physical work. Fine, if one's capable of it.
The issue of ageism comes to the fore when one is discriminated against solely and arbitrarily on the basis of age.
But, all other issues aside, the Presidency is physically and mentally demanding, and wearing. Electorally, it's a consideration, because being up to that level of stress is a job requirement.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 2:59 am | #
Tattoo
The light is like a spider.
It crawls over the water.
It crawls over the edges of the snow.
It crawls under your eyelids
And spreads its webs there--
Its two webs.
The webs of your eyes
Are fastened
To the flesh and bones of you
As to rafters or grass.
There are filaments of your eyes
On the surface of the water
And in the edges of the snow.
montag, Word.
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 3:02 am | #
-Wallace Stevens
I really wanna see an insurance executive these days write stuff like that....
montag |
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06.07.08 - 3:03 am | #
When people see some things as beautiful,
other things become ugly.
When people see some things as good,
other things become bad.
.
.
If you overesteem great men,
people become powerless.
If you overvalue possessions,
people begin to steal.
If you overvalue possessions,
people begin to steal.
just like now.
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 3:10 am | #
Fill your bowl to the brim
and it will spill.
Keep sharpening your knife
and it will blunt.
Chase after money and security
and your heart will never unclench.
Care about people's approval
and you will be their prisoner
If you overvalue possessions,
people begin to steal.
just like now.
Hmm. Makes me think of Mark Twain's remark: "It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress."
Of course, Twain never had the opportunity to meet George Bush and Dick Cheney....
Of course, Twain never had the opportunity to meet George Bush and Dick Cheney
When the Master governs, the people
are hardly aware that he exists.
Next best is a leader who is loved.
Next, one who is feared.
The worst is one who is despised.
If you don't trust the people,
you make them untrustworthy.
The Master doesn't talk, he acts.
When his work is done,
the people say, "Amazing:
we did it, all by ourselves!"
montag, there have been fewer - if any - truly bad people than Bush/Cheney et al. Certainly not in my lifetime - but I'm including all history. These guys are eithyer at the top, or very fucking close. I think these miscreants would have even astonished Twain.
Tacitus.....this is what divides us from the Others. That we believe these things to be self-evident, yet difficultly won knowledge. Doesn't make me especially smart or even enlightened - just an introduction to common sense.
Sarah Deere |
06.07.08 - 3:19 am | #
When the country falls into chaos,
patriotism is born
should have re-read old lao sooner
didn't remember that he was so interested in explaining american politics to us
well, goodnight, you deliciously delightful and dear and wonderful people. After a challenging week, I believe I will rest myself for a while, then spend tomorrow with birds and squirrels as much as I can. I think I'll let the world spin on without me for a while.
Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.
Mission accomplished!
Michael Leeden |
06.07.08 - 3:29 am | #
I think I'll let the world spin on without me for a while.
Steinbeck: "Once again, the world was spinning in greased grooves."
Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.
Mission accomplished!
Michael Leeden
Thought that was "Ledeen."
But, who knew that Ledeen was being ironic when he said that. Not even Ledeen, I'll wager....
montag |
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06.07.08 - 3:32 am | #
... meanwhile, in the U.S., dismembered soldiers have to prove that they served in Iraq before they get any treatment.
DFH in Dubrovnik |
06.07.08 - 3:59 am | #
Want to know who's going to be starting the next wars, whether we like it or not?
That thing was an extra in Starship Troopers , wasn't it?
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 5:57 am | #
I'm still wondering about the plants that look like cacti with an open mouth....
Plantsman, I don't think we're in Kansas any more....
montag |
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06.07.08 - 6:05 am | #
Well, I went to the doctor
I said, "I'm feeling kind of rough"
He said, "I'll break it to you, son [Warren sings, "Let me break it to you, son"]
Your shit's fucked up."
I said, "my shit's fucked up?"
Well, I don't see how-"
He said, "The shit that used to work-
It won't work now."
I had a dream
Ah, shucks, oh, well
Now it's all fucked up
It's shot to hell
Yeah, yeah, my shit's fucked up
It has to happen to the best of us
The rich folks suffer like the rest of us
It'll happen to you
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:06 am | #
Morning peeps.
BD, how's the daughter. I hope the song isn't in response to your recent medical procedure.
qlª |
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06.07.08 - 6:07 am | #
Man, tornados last night around us did some major damage.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:07 am | #
LT justed passed, I'm sorry to say.
Le Jackel |
06.07.08 - 6:08 am | #
Looks like the power's still on.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 6:09 am | #
BD, how's the daughter. I hope the song isn't in response to your recent medical procedure
That's Wed morning, sweetie (thankfully). Kid - well, we're still not getting the truth from her.
We need to stop by on our way home this afternoon, and see what the fuck, over.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:09 am | #
Looks like the power's still on
10 Miles N or W and things are fucked up quite badly.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:10 am | #
Glad they missed you guys. That system has been a bear for days.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 6:11 am | #
QL - that's an old Warren Zevon song:
"My Shit's Fucked Up"
I heard it last night on Sirius (along with a Springsteen version of "My Ride's Here").
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:11 am | #
DHAKA (AFP) - Stores in the Bangladeshi capital have stopped selling subsidised rice, an official said Saturday, creating hardship for hundreds of thousands of poor consumers.
Rice prices almost doubled in the impoverished nation due to shortages caused by floods and a devastating cyclone last year that created a food crisis, and this year's bumper harvest has failed to bring down prices.
Gilly Gonzylon |
06.07.08 - 6:15 am | #
I heard it last night on Sirius (along with a Springsteen version of "My Ride's Here").
Barndog, nice and cool | 06.07.08 - 6:11 am | #
Do you listen to Howard ?
Gilly Gonzylon |
06.07.08 - 6:15 am | #
Momentarily so far. I like Howard's show - obviously it's gotten a bit out of control in recent times - but as a former radio dj - I like the stuff he does. He's very innovative with his schtick.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:18 am | #
Barndog, nice and cool | 06.07.08 - 6:18 am | #
I'm a fan, but I like his pre-divorce (
Gilly Gonzylon |
06.07.08 - 6:20 am | #
Miss you already. That thing you wanted done: done.
Le Jackel |
06.07.08 - 6:21 am | #
I'm a fan, but I like his pre-divorce
Yeah, that really fucked up his world.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:22 am | #
I'm a fan, but I like his pre-divorce -
Pre-1999 stuff the most. He was much more innovative. On Sirius, he's free to do what he wants, which kind of takes away from the true "naughtiness" of his FM days.
Gilly Gonzylon |
06.07.08 - 6:23 am | #
On Sirius, he's free to do what he wants, which kind of takes away from the true "naughtiness" of his FM days.
Exactly.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:24 am | #
He had a great interview with Rosie O'Donell the other day. He's an amazing interviewer in his ability to get people to open up.
Gilly Gonzylon |
06.07.08 - 6:24 am | #
And with his current contract, the guy grosses $2 Million a show. And a 4 day work week.
Gilly Gonzylon |
06.07.08 - 6:27 am | #
Gilly - I gotta tell you; radio is a cutthroat business.
Met some of the coolest people, and some of the biggest assholes in radio too.
I could do a satellite gig though, without any issue.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:29 am | #
I could do a satellite gig though, without any issue.
Barndog, nice and cool | 06.07.08 - 6:29 am |
You should then!
Gilly Gonzylon |
06.07.08 - 6:30 am | #
Guess it was more than coincidence that those cranes fell.
The city’s chief crane inspector was arrested Friday and charged with taking bribes to allow cranes under his review to pass inspection and for taking money from a crane company that sought to ensure that its employees would pass the required licensing exam, the authorities said.
The man, James Delayo, the acting chief inspector for the Cranes and Derricks Unit at the city Department of Buildings, was in charge of overseeing the issuance of city licenses for crane operators.
He is also facing charges that he provided a copy of the crane operator’s exam and the test answers to a crane company in exchange for $3,000, said an official involved in the case, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the charges had not yet been formally filed.
Gimlet |
06.07.08 - 6:30 am | #
'morning, pipples!
V for Virginia, discouraged |
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06.07.08 - 6:32 am | #
That's a great article by Bob Herbert.
We tend to forget, looking back in our rose-colored glasses to the 60s, how horrific they actually were to blacks, and how demoralizing to women.
We sure deserve to savor this moment. As a country and especially as Democrats.
DFH in Dubrovnik |
06.07.08 - 6:34 am | #
Actually the City of New York has taken great pains to point out that the inspector accused of taking bribes oversaw truck-mounted cranes rather than "tower" cranes, like the two that collapsed.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 6:36 am | #
Morning and shit, V.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:37 am | #
Oh, FYI it was 92 here yesterday.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:41 am | #
the inspector accused of taking bribes oversaw truck-mounted cranes rather than "tower" cranes, like the two that collapsed.
plantsman,
Good point but it raises the question of "one bad apple" or a culture of corruption in the agency.
Gimlet |
06.07.08 - 6:42 am | #
92 and humid I don't mind missing. Here, it was supposed to be sort of clear today. That's changed.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 6:42 am | #
Looks like you got that air online just in time, Barndog!
V for Virginia, discouraged |
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06.07.08 - 6:43 am | #
No doubt. I'd be crossing streets to avoid any crane I saw.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 6:43 am | #
Looks like you got that air online just in time, Barndog!
Boy, Howdy we did. And, just in the nick of time.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:44 am | #
BD: the only thing I can think of WRT the daughter situation is to tell her, kindly, "You know, sweetie, your life is really a mess right now, and you know it. If there's anything we can do help when you decide to start a new and better phase, we'll be happy to do it. Unfortunately we're not going to be able to help you keep things fucked up."
V for Virginia, discouraged |
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06.07.08 - 6:45 am | #
Local DFH committee (DFA, which would be about 8 people) sent me an e-mail saying that Obama wants to replace FL's elected delegates with "wealthy contributors" who are latecomers.
WTF?
V for Virginia, discouraged |
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06.07.08 - 6:47 am | #
"You know, sweetie, your life is really a mess right now, and you know it. If there's anything we can do help when you decide to start a new and better phase, we'll be happy to do it. Unfortunately we're not going to be able to help you keep things fucked up."
Indeed, V. We're supposed to stop by this afternoon on our way home from open houses. I'm going to tell her to meet us at our friend's house - which is a couple blocks from their place.
If I go to his house, I'm highly likely to go to jail, and that ain't happening.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:48 am | #
More people are spreading more crap about the Obama campaign than I can believe. If they have hard facts to back up those claims they should be easy to verify.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 6:50 am | #
WTF?
V for Virginia,
*
what plantsman said.
Nancy Willing |
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06.07.08 - 6:51 am | #
More people are spreading more crap about the Obama campaign than I can believe
And, I'll lay odds that it gets even worse with the months to come.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:51 am | #
Having an altercation could provide the daughter a reason to get her hackles up and dig in her heels --
but I'm sure you realize that.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 6:52 am | #
If I go to his house, I'm highly likely to go to jail, and that ain't happening.
From experience, BD, it ain't worth the momentary satisfaction.... Smart move.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 6:52 am | #
Good plan, BD. I hope she gets back on track soon. It must be hell to see them struggling and not have the power to MAKE them turn it around. I know the hell my BFF has been through with her daughter; OTOH that kid is doing muuuuuuuch better now, so there's hope.
V for Virginia, discouraged |
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06.07.08 - 6:52 am | #
Having an altercation could provide the daughter a reason to get her hackles up and dig in her heels --
but I'm sure you realize that.
Yes indeed I do. And, like I said, I refuse to go to jail for some dumbfucker.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:53 am | #
There's a really dense fog moving in. Heat index today should be about 100°
No disc golf.
qlª |
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06.07.08 - 6:53 am | #
Definitely have to catch up on this thread. Morning, gang. BD, glad to see you're okay. Anybody heard from Vicki or DWD?
filkertom |
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06.07.08 - 6:53 am | #
What an unpleasant situation. Good Luck.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 6:54 am | #
Barndog, nice and cool
*
Please remain cool and don't get in trouble cuz you're nice, sorry to hear of trouble with the kiddo.
Nancy Willing |
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06.07.08 - 6:54 am | #
My biggest issue V - is that she's never done anything bad. I mean, outside the little bullshit as a teenager (stayed out until 4 am while in middle school, and the cops caught her and 2 GF's).
Outside of that, she's a good damm kid. Now, I see it as he has manipulated her into doing shit she's never concieved of before.
For that, he needs his ass kicked but good by this Marine. But only on MY terms.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:55 am | #
from e-mail:
On Saturday, Allan Katz of Obama for America insisted on the campaign's right to replace Florida's elected Obama delegates at the convention. The Obama delegates in Florida are committed activists who have made personal, professional, and financial sacrifices over the last seventeen months to support Senator Obama, and then they were elected by the voters in their Congressional Districts. Replacing them with some latecomers who happen to have more money would be a betrayal of us long-time supporters of the Senator, and a betrayal of everything we thought the Senator stood for.
These are big-time Obama people (since Edwards dropped out), so I don't see their percentage in spreading bullshit. Requires further investigation, I guess.
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06.07.08 - 6:55 am | #
BD, glad to see you're okay. Anybody heard from Vicki or DWD?
filk - 10 miles west and 10 miles north got nailed by tornados.
Luckily, we skated through with just torrential downpours.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:56 am | #
Been through the wars with younger daughter. She's fine now. Sometimes you really just have to back away and let them figure things out for themselves.
BTW, I attribute my gray hair to her, not to age.
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06.07.08 - 6:56 am | #
Nancy - thanks. It's just a fucked up situation that's got to be worked through.....without me going to jail of course.
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06.07.08 - 6:56 am | #
BTW, I attribute my gray hair to her, not to age.
qlª
It's put a few years on BFF, no doubt about it.
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06.07.08 - 6:57 am | #
Sorry about the drama w/your daughter, BD. Good luck with it.
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06.07.08 - 6:57 am | #
The "who have more money" bit isn't substantiated as far as I can see, it's just a blind accusation.
It's the trip through the judicial system thats awaiting her. I really don't want to see her go to jail, but, at the same time - if it needs be, then so be it.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 6:58 am | #
Obama is about control. He probably wants to be able to control the message. Still, probably not such a good thing. If true.
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06.07.08 - 6:59 am | #
Is there some way to check what people convicted of what she may be charged with receive as punishment most of the time?
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06.07.08 - 7:00 am | #
BD -- not knowing the details, and not needing to know the details unless you feel the need to spill, I'll just say: I have not been there myself, but I have known people who have, and, yeah, it sucks but sometimes it's what has to happen. Again, many good thoughts and hugs your way.
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06.07.08 - 7:01 am | #
The FL and MI delegations are still under sanction, it may have something to do with that, too.
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06.07.08 - 7:01 am | #
Is there some way to check what people convicted of what she may be charged with receive as punishment most of the time?
I'm waiting to talk to a couple lawyer friends. Not having anything on her record, she'll fare much better than her worthless BF (who has been arrested at LEAST 5 X this year so far). Don't know for what, but I have a good idea.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:04 am | #
They've been doing what we've been doing -- sitting back while, apparently, our side beats the shit out of itself. Now that Obama's the man, they will throw anything and everything at him. Some shmuck on Fox referred to Barack's and Michelle's touched fists as a possible "terrorist fist jab".
Don't be surprised to hear about Obama's secret voodoo rituals, mummified kittens in his basement, or secretly buying Canadian drugs because (since they're available closer to the North Pole) they get you higher.
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06.07.08 - 7:05 am | #
Those fools on Fox say the nuttiest shit!
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06.07.08 - 7:06 am | #
Yup, it's gonna be plug ugly. They'll keep flinging shit and for those looking for an excuse not to vote for an A.A., some of it will stick. That's all they need to do.
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06.07.08 - 7:08 am | #
Some shmuck on Fox referred to Barack's and Michelle's touched fists as a possible "terrorist fist jab".
Yanno, I think this crazy-ass shit is played. There's no way people can ignore the consequences of listening to these lunatics spout about earth-tones, elitism and green tea, and I don't think it's gonna fly.
Unless. Unless Something Bad happens. Which make me extremely nervous.
Otherwise, as long as O keeps McLame grafted to WPE like a conjoined twin, they've got NOTHING.
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06.07.08 - 7:08 am | #
Saw a couple Hummers while out and about yesterday -- they already look like such anachronisms.
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06.07.08 - 7:09 am | #
plantsman -- that was in the Media Matters story Atrios linked to last night. Someone in the comments there already said they want to start a band with that name. I may have to write a song about it. Sounds like a finishing move from Mortal Kombat.
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06.07.08 - 7:09 am | #
McSame voted as George Bush wanted 95% of the time in 2007 -- it was Tweety's "Big Number" yesterday.
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06.07.08 - 7:10 am | #
as long as O keeps McLame grafted to WPE like a conjoined twin, they've got NOTHING.
V for Virginia, discouraged | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 7:08 am
Here's hopin', love. The really weird thing is how they keep clinging to their nothing as if it's everything.
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06.07.08 - 7:10 am | #
I may have to write a song about it.
YESSSSSS!
[seconds pass]
Where's my TFJ song? Where's my TFJ song? Where's my TFJ song?
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06.07.08 - 7:11 am | #
Sometimes the funny writes itself:
Former NRCC Treasurer Embezzled $500,000, Court Papers Say
flik - heard a couple Warren Zevon tunes last night - "My Shit's fucked Up", and "My Ride's Here" - the latter done by Springsteen live.
I'm really enjoying Sirius.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:11 am | #
The really weird thing is how they keep clinging to their nothing as if it's everything.
filkertom
Them clinging to it and people buying it are two different things. I hope.
UNLESS.
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06.07.08 - 7:12 am | #
Saw a couple Hummers while out and about yesterday -- they already look like such anachronisms.
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 7:09 am
Don't they, though? And I bet those Hummer limos are real popular from now on as well. (I have never figured those out at all. Why pay what I presume are premium limousine rental prices for a fuckin' crackerbox on wheels? No style, man.)
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Former NRCC Treasurer Embezzled $500,000, Court Papers Say
[facepalm] They can't help themselves. That must be it. They simply cannot help themselves.
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06.07.08 - 7:15 am | #
V for Virginia: say Something Bad happens.
Who's in charge now? Why, Mr. Bush and his crackerjack top men.
If there is another Osama-sponsored attack, it may mark the death of the GOP.
Dubya has had seven years to track Osama down. Has he done it? Hell, no.
Oh, I grant you that if they were to get lucky and nab OBL before election day, it would probably get McCain another few states. But that ain't gonna happen. And a few states ain't gonna get the job done for the Red Brigade.
If Barack is breathing come election day (which I fully expect), it's going to be the photographic negative of 1972. Watch.
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06.07.08 - 7:15 am | #
[falls off chair and rolls on floor laughing]
It's so funny, isn't it? They even steal from themselves.
No honor among thieves, eh?
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06.07.08 - 7:16 am | #
If Barack is breathing come election day (which I fully expect), it's going to be the photographic negative of 1972. Watch
Pretty good fucking point there, David. I like the analogy used.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:17 am | #
Gotta love this letter in the NYT:
I agree with the call to action in “Fairwell, Fair Weather,” by Charles M. Blow (column, May 31), but perhaps we can look elsewhere for guidance.
Mr. Blow suggests that we “declare a coordinated war on climate change akin to the wars on drugs and terror.” I suggest we model our efforts on an endeavor that was actually successful.
Rob Kurth
Millbrook, N.Y., May 31, 2008
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06.07.08 - 7:17 am | #
No honor among thieves, eh?
Never amongst republicans.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:18 am | #
Nice image, David. And, honestly, what could McSame say? Even if OBL is caught, it's not like Johnny's going to be the one going cave-to-cave to find him.
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06.07.08 - 7:19 am | #
As the campaign stuff about Obama, and his family, and everyone he's ever known and associated with get more and more over the top, the only people who're really going to respond to that are the dead-enders who can't be reached anyway, and their numbers are at an all-time low.
People see the media circus much more clearly these days... the attacks on Hillary got so bad that even she gained widespread sympathy although her campaign effectively dissipated that.
It's not going to be pretty or inspiring, but it's not going to work.
Andrea Mitchell certainly got plenty of mileage with her live-shot with a garbage truck in front of Clinton's DC home.
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06.07.08 - 7:19 am | #
? Even if OBL is caught, it's not like Johnny's going to be the one going cave-to-cave to find him.
Oh, but I have $1000 that says he acts like it.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:20 am | #
Andrea Mitchell certainly got plenty of mileage with her live-shot with a garbage truck in front of Clinton's DC home.
Too bad she wasn't as interested in the shredder truck at the Cheney official residence....
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06.07.08 - 7:21 am | #
Even if OBL is caught, it's not like Johnny's going to be the one going cave-to-cave to find him.
Oh, but I have $1000 that says he acts like it.
Barndog, nice and cool | 06.07.08 - 7:20 am
Even if OBL is caught, it's not like Johnny's going to be the one going cave-to-cave to find him.
filkertom
*click*
"Okay, this one's me at the Gates of Hell..."
*click*
"Uh, Gates of Hell from another angle..."
*click*
"Here I am asking Charon for directions..."
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06.07.08 - 7:22 am | #
I have a feeling executing KSM and the guys from Guantanamo is gonna provoke a hellish reaction.
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06.07.08 - 7:22 am | #
Too bad she wasn't as interested in the shredder truck at the Cheney official residence....
Well, that was just a tandem semi box trailer shredding operation.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:22 am | #
No. Effing. Bet
Dammit. Go out on the edge sometime, Bro.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:24 am | #
Dubya has had seven years to track Osama down. Has he done it? Hell, no.
he ain't looking in saudi arabia which is where is probably is...you know, the country where lots of folks know how to fly jumbo jets
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06.07.08 - 7:24 am | #
Too bad she wasn't as interested in the shredder truck at the Cheney official residence....
Given this administration's paranoia and secrecy, it's a distinct possibility that there will be little or nothing to put in the Bush library.
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06.07.08 - 7:24 am | #
If Barack is breathing come election day (which I fully expect), it's going to be the photographic negative of 1972. Watch.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
Well, your keyboard to the mighty tentacles, of course.
I just 1. can't convince myself of how folks would react to another Bad Thing, and 2. am long past the place where I think there's something they'll stop at.
But in my upswing rapid-cycle periods I agree it's gonna be a massacre.
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06.07.08 - 7:25 am | #
Dammit. Go out on the edge sometime, Bro.
Barndog, nice and cool | 06.07.08 - 7:24 am
Are you kidding? There's less chance of grass being green than there is of McSame taking credit for something he didn't do.
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06.07.08 - 7:25 am | #
Some of the neighbors are having a yard sale in our cul de sac... I hate yard sales. I hate putting them together and I hate the people who're already up and around at six-thirty in the morning to paw over shit and offer you a nickel for something.
I've been known to say things like: "I'll throw it in the trash rather than give it to you for pocket change... why don't you come back on trash day and go through our garbage?"
I was invited not to participate in yard sales at my former abode, by my former wife, who'd take anything or nothing for my stuff but wouldn't part with anything of hers.
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06.07.08 - 7:27 am | #
I just 1. can't convince myself of how folks would react to another Bad Thing, and 2. am long past the place where I think there's something they'll stop at.
But in my upswing rapid-cycle periods I agree it's gonna be a massacre.
V for Virginia, discouraged | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 7:25 am
I do not want another terrorist attack. (The fact that, as with the "Saddam is a bad guy, no question", thing, we are forced by the nature of the conversation to preface everything with that is beyond insane.) But if another one happens on Bush's watch, McSame goes down. Period. All you have to say is, "It's Bush's watch. McCain supports Bush's policies, Bush's tactics, Bush's philosophies of government. And we got hit. Again. On Bush's watch. You want some more o' that?"
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06.07.08 - 7:28 am | #
it's a distinct possibility that there will be little or nothing to put in the Bush library.
how about a diorama depicting the pretzel-choke?
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06.07.08 - 7:28 am | #
I've been known to say things like: "I'll throw it in the trash rather than give it to you for pocket change... why don't you come back on trash day and go through our garbage?"
Are you any relation to my family?
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:28 am | #
Yard-sale people are a breed apart, recommend you hide for the duration.
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06.07.08 - 7:29 am | #
Given this administration's paranoia and secrecy, it's a distinct possibility that there will be little or nothing to put in the Bush library.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ | 06.07.08 - 7:24 am
Two Archie comics, some old Texas Rangers baseball cards, and a carefully preserved collection of The Complete Works Of Bazooka Joe.
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06.07.08 - 7:29 am | #
how folks would react to another Bad Thing
It would be their final and ultimate failure.
"They kept you safe after 9/11" is the only thing they've had to keep the lizard-brains pacified. If, at last, they can't even do that?
SteveLG |
06.07.08 - 7:29 am | #
ow about a diorama depicting the pretzel-choke?
Greatly improved by some Disneyland animatronics, I think....
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06.07.08 - 7:31 am | #
"They kept you safe after 9/11" is the only thing they've had to keep the lizard-brains pacified. If, at last, they can't even do that?
SteveLG
still doing it: mclame has a new ad called 'safe' where he talks about his family's warmongering
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06.07.08 - 7:31 am | #
Morning, rational folks.
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06.07.08 - 7:32 am | #
I've been known to say things like: "I'll throw it in the trash rather than give it to you for pocket change... why don't you come back on trash day and go through our garbage?"
Ah; my strategery is the opposite. I figure it's going in the trash/being donated anyway, so my philosophy of negotiation is, "If someone offers you something, take it."
But our last two were a complete waste of time, I must say. Except that it forced me to do some serious weeding out of the stuff in here.
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06.07.08 - 7:32 am | #
how about a diorama depicting the pretzel-choke?
Greatly improved by some Disneyland animatronics, I think....
montag | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 7:31 am
"It's a smHORK- it's a smHORK-"
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06.07.08 - 7:33 am | #
still doing it: mclame has a new ad called 'safe' where he talks about his family's warmongering
mogwai | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 7:31 am | #
Or the several jets he crashed.
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06.07.08 - 7:35 am | #
When I was selling the house, I bartered things away with some people. You want the mower, will you cut the grass till the house is sold? That sort of thing. Then I hired someone to haul a lot of junk away. My guess is that he put a good third of it in his back yard.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 7:36 am | #
Cindy's looking more and more like a deranged replicant.
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06.07.08 - 7:36 am | #
"They kept you safe after 9/11" is the only thing they've had to keep the lizard-brains pacified. If, at last, they can't even do that?
SteveLG
But why don't people question why they weren't "kept safe" ON 9/11?
"Ah've been sayin' that these evildoers wanna kill Americans because they hate our freedoms, and still the Democrats in congress have refused time and time again to pass legislation to give our intelligence services the tools they need to keep us safe. And if you think this is bad, just wait until they have control of the WH and see how much terror is inflicted . . . "
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06.07.08 - 7:36 am | #
Cindy's looking more and more like a deranged replicant.
She's looking forward to putting shag carpeting in the oval office.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 7:38 am | #
"Ah've been sayin' that these evildoers wanna kill Americans because they hate our freedoms, and still the Democrats in congress have refused time and time again to pass legislation to give our intelligence services the tools they need to keep us safe. And if you think this is bad, just wait until me an' mah brain-damaged sociopathic neocon buddies have control of the national dialogue and spend months on end scaring the shit out of you with a brown-skinned boogieman and see how much terror is inflicted . . . "
V for Virginia, discouraged | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 7:36 am
Filed yer taxes.
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06.07.08 - 7:39 am | #
Or the several jets he crashed.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
I think a good strategy for Obama would be for every McCain ad, create a parody of it. Make it look like the real thing at first, then slowly take it to pieces with quotes and video. End with his insane grin.
The guy is his own worst enemy.
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06.07.08 - 7:39 am | #
Didn't close the tags right, but.... [facepalm]
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I bartered things away with some people. You want the mower, will you cut the grass till the house is sold? That sort of thing. Then I hired someone to haul a lot of junk away.
i had half of a giant oak come down 2 years ago, the thing was HUGE...i lamented paying a tree person to clean it up, but then i had a brainstorm: call a firewood guy and give him most the wood for cleaning it up, brilliant!
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06.07.08 - 7:39 am | #
I figure it's going in the trash/being donated anyway, so my philosophy of negotiation is, "If someone offers you something, take it."
This was back in the early/mid nineties before eBay and Craig's List and stuff like that, so there'd often be stuff that was really worth something.
Willing to give a super-duper bargain, but not to listen to shit like "I'll give ya a dollar for it if you'll throw in a stack of those cloth diapers."
But you're right... you might as well include nothing but trash, since the folks who look at it treat it all like that's what it is.
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06.07.08 - 7:40 am | #
'mornin'
SteveLG: possessions are really funny things. We have lots of stuff we've accumulated over a quarter century of living in a house with five people. Aside from all those books, I could move to a one bedroom apartment tomorrow, and get rid of almost all of it without a qualm. Don't buy much save books, music, food and computer stuff. I'm happy to drive a Honda 'til it rots. Feels strange, once or twice a year when I walk through a mall looking for presents for people, thinking that buying stuff is a way of life for some. I don't feel morally superior to 'em, don't get me wrong, but I just don't have that impulse.
Makes me feel strange when I think of just how much of the economy is built up around things that don't really mean that much to me. Almost makes me feel a little lonely. Not snarking here at all.
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06.07.08 - 7:41 am | #
Given the fiasco with the repugs in the senate forcing a full reading of the global warming bill, I suggest the following. For each bill in the future, have it taped, and then play the tape at something like 10 or 20 times normal speed for a full reading.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 7:41 am | #
I think a good strategy for Obama would be for every McCain ad, create a parody of it. Make it look like the real thing at first, then slowly take it to pieces with quotes and video. End with his insane grin.
That's our job.
It's what YouTube is for...
SteveLG |
06.07.08 - 7:42 am | #
The climate bill was put off until next year. Fine with me.
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That's our job.
It's what YouTube is for...
SteveLG
(But, of course, you're right.)
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06.07.08 - 7:44 am | #
The climate bill was put off until next year. Fine with me.
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Since SMU has voted not to support this effort, the private sector will now have to pick up the slack. Bids have been received from the owner of the largest ball of twine in the continental United States, and from the owner of the largest supply of used aluminum foil.
Texas is still in the running, as the owner of the largest pile of dried cow flops has made an attractive offer.
No one, however, actually wants to build a building to house the President's papers.
Ward Em Off, mayor of Tokio, TX, says, "George, uh, who the fuck is he?, yeah, Bush, is a great American and a great Texan, and we'll keep his liebury here, just so long as we don't have to pay for it. We figger we can just throw his administration on the top of the pile of cow flops we already got. Make the pie higher, y'think?
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ProfWombat (good morning) -- I hadn't thought of it that way, but, wow. I'm in much the same situation, with the difference that I have still got a lot of the last 20 years of stuff packed up around here. Wouldn't miss most of it, though.
I pass by Ikea and wonder what cool stuff might possibly be in there that I really need. Multiply that by most of the storefronts in the country, and I'm back to buying the occasional book, DVD, or CD. Some new clothes, some food, gas, a computer game here and there, and I'm good.
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Makes me feel strange when I think of just how much of the economy is built up around things that don't really mean that much to me. Almost makes me feel a little lonely.
it's not only you prof.
our consumer-culture is empty, the consumers are like junkies, the fix never satisfies, it's always the lure of the next fix
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06.07.08 - 7:44 am | #
(it won't need a veto-proof majority next year, either.)
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06.07.08 - 7:45 am | #
ProfWombat, that's a good thought to depart by, and get myself ready to go sell wine to people.
You see, selling fine food and wine is much, much different than selling "stuff".... I won't say morally superior (although I truly believe that, privately ).
See you all from time to time.
SteveLG |
06.07.08 - 7:46 am | #
Bush's library will contain many documents that nobody will be allowed to see until well after all the principals are dead. It won't contain all those deleted e-mails and mislaid directives bearing on such things as planning to invade Iraq well before 9/11, the use of torture and rendition, the oil companies' making energy policy with Cheney and so on.
The bitter precedent that occurs to me all too easily is that of the missing written authorization by Hitler for the camps.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 7:46 am | #
Dammit, I love shooting the shit with you people so much! But we're having houseguests and someone's gonna have to make this place at least superficially safe for human habitation
I don't actually feel all that negative, to be honest; I just don't know what the lizard brains will do if there's a calamity. And I do think people are fed up with the stupid nonsense about the beauty pageant, and are looking for something to be done. Gonna be an interesting couple of months, at least.
Love you people -- have a wonderful Saturday!
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06.07.08 - 7:46 am | #
{{{{{ V4VA }}}}} Same to you, sweetie!
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06.07.08 - 7:48 am | #
Prof Wombat,
Same here. Still, I find myself mourning that piano I had years ago and remembering and missing a favorite plant. Attachment is a funny thing.
[cue Buddhist glockenspiel]
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 7:48 am | #
I have the feeling with our reduction in consumption, junk that breaks quickly will far out of favor, and fine craftsmanship that lasts will again
become important.
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06.07.08 - 7:48 am | #
Storms missed me, too. Some damage a few miles away. There is something a little bit frightening when you hear the sirens go off, the TV tells you to get in the basement, the radio says run for your life, the NWS radar is all red,and it's so dark the streelights go on. O well, had a load of laundry to do anyway.
Ralphie |
06.07.08 - 7:49 am | #
Ah, someone departs with a fertilizer spreader...
I had to look carefully to see that someone hadn't come into my yard, taken mine out of the shed, and bought it (actually, I'd have sold it to them... I never use it).
With yard sale people you can take nothing for granted.
Two years ago, we sold our summer camp and house and consolidated into a small house on the lake. The camp was sold with its contents, and we basically just took the books, pictures and canoes with us.
We gave away lots of stuff from the house, mostly to family, students and local thrift shops.
The only really hard thing was consolidating into a one car garage.
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06.07.08 - 7:49 am | #
SteveLG: me, I haven't a problem with that. Wine well purchased takes something mundane and transforms it into a great pleasure, and better yet, one you can share. I have no problem with those who, say, buy clothes to similar ends; I'm just not one of them.
The folk who buy stuff to prove something to themselves about who they are, they're another thing. That doesn't work. They don't even reflect from the funhouse mirror they're standing in front of.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 7:49 am | #
Like I said, WaPo almost got it right. Let's hope the Supreme Court and Congress finish the job.
I heard Bush's library got 5 copies of "My Pet Goat".
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:50 am | #
My FIL used to have so much crap that whenever he left the garage door open on Saturday, people would stop, thinking he was having a garage sale.
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06.07.08 - 7:51 am | #
fine craftsmanship that lasts will again
become important.
i have 3 GE fans from the 20's and 30's that i bought years ago, one was painted baby-blue (must have been in a bathroom) and one was ugly green...they still work perfectly with their brass blades shining - those are meant to last generations
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06.07.08 - 7:51 am | #
I heard Bush's library got 5 copies of "My Pet Goat".
Barndog, nice and cool
I heard Bush's library got 5 copies of "My Pet Goat".
Barndog, nice and cool | 06.07.08 - 7:50 am
Dubya kept accidentally tearing the pages during the exciting part.
filkertom |
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06.07.08 - 7:52 am | #
Good early AM!
Picking up on Prof W's "possessions" theme -
My parents were both kids/teens in the Great Depression. So they didn't have much need for stuff as I grew up - we didn't even have color TV until 1978 (and then, dad got it as a contest gift).
The majority of folks under 45 havenot really experienced the inability to satisfy wants, let alone needs. Fuel prices and housing are just the start of the unraveling.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
06.07.08 - 7:52 am | #
I know, ifthethunderdontgetya, but to see Hiatt actually admit the military tribunals are not the equivalent of fair trials was a bit stunning.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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06.07.08 - 7:52 am | #
Ralphie, Glad you're still here rather than in Oz or something.
Gromit |
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06.07.08 - 7:53 am | #
It won't contain all those deleted e-mails and mislaid directives
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Bush library, legacy of an American hero:
-Saved the US after deadly 9/11 attack on our nation
-No Child Left Behind education initiative
-All the colors of the rainbow administration
-Mission Accomplished, War on Terror
-Changing the face of the middle east for democracy
-Crusader against AIDS in Africa
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 7:54 am | #
My dad as a young man had one suit. He went to wear it an uncle's funeral (this must have been in the 1930s or so), but couldn't find it. When he asked his mother, she said, "Oh, we're burying your uncle in it."
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 7:55 am | #
I got missed by 10 miles North, and West.
That was 2 seperate tornados from what I've heard. That determination will be made today by NWS.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 7:55 am | #
My dad as a young man had one suit. He went to wear it an uncle's funeral (this must have been in the 1930s or so), but couldn't find it. When he asked his mother, she said, "Oh, we're burying your uncle in it."
Ah, geez, different times, fer sure.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 7:56 am | #
In other happy news, it's supposed to be in the low 90's with a good chance of a repeat storm front later today. Not too late to get to Oz.
Ralphie |
06.07.08 - 7:58 am | #
That video is... something.
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 7:58 am | #
Good morning from the West Coast.
Toonscribe |
06.07.08 - 7:58 am | #
You Michiganders had a rougher run of storms than those of us in SE Wisconsin.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
06.07.08 - 7:58 am | #
Geronimo? Yeah, those kookie kids really knew how to cut loose, dint they?
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 7:59 am | #
majority of folks under 45 havenot really experienced the inability to satisfy wants
i am 40 and the crap just doesn't impress me, it's mostly crap, poorly designed and engineered for obsolescence.
i got a waring blendor for 5 dollars at a yard sale(!), it's from 1939, shiny chrome and bakelite black and chews ice like a rabbit on a carrot.
mogwai |
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06.07.08 - 7:59 am | #
The confusion between wants and needs is far from trivial. Again, no snark. You go to work, say, there are expectations about you not wearing the same suit to work every day if you're a guy, and a whole raft of them if you're a lady. So, do you need that stuff? If everybody's successfully told that single career women need Manolo Blahnik shoes, is that a need or a want?
Hard economic times, when food, gas and living space become non-trivial acquisitions, change things somewhat, of course...
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 7:59 am | #
You're up early, west coast
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 7:59 am | #
The climate bill was put off until next year. Fine with me.
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 7:42 am | #
Since I've been up since 4 fucking 30, I decided to take my walk early, since it looks like it's going to be raining mid morning. It sprinkled a bit on the last leg home, just enough to make it more humid.
Blech.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins |
06.07.08 - 8:00 am | #
A library should a have decent fiction section.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:00 am | #
Roadmaster -- Lansing area sure got nailed, according to BD. Ann Arbor got hit much more lightly than a lot of places. I admit I was getting a little worried, hearing the tornado warnings come in from the west side of the state, but we basically got twenty minutes of raining sideways and a few rumbles and that was it.
filkertom |
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06.07.08 - 8:00 am | #
Geronimo? Yeah, those kookie kids really knew how to cut loose, dint they?
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 7:59 am | #
'No Child Left Behind' is universally despised by every educator I've ever met.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:01 am | #
"No Mind Left Alive" is more like it.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 8:02 am | #
i got a waring blendor for 5 dollars at a yard sale(!), it's from 1939, shiny chrome and bakelite black and chews ice like a rabbit on a carrot.
mogwai
Much of my household is full of mid-century items - lamps, clocks, small appliances, etc. - most still work just fine, are more rugged than their contemporaries, and have great style.
Getting harder to find those gems at sales, though. Lotta frivolous knick-knacks from the past decade, though.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
06.07.08 - 8:02 am | #
'No Child Left Behind' is universally despised by every educator I've ever met.
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Looks like a legacy, but every item is a failure. Except maybe a few $ for AIDS relief
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:03 am | #
A library should a have decent fiction section.
Bush's will be labeled, "Why I Went to War."
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:03 am | #
Prof Wombat,
1. When I was in graduate school, the females were told how to dress for interviews.
2. I had a fellow assistant professor who resented that hell out of males because she said she could never wear jeans to class until she got tenure.
3. Student evaluations tend to be much more critical of female professors' appearances.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 8:03 am | #
'No Child Left Behind' is universally despised by every educator I've ever met.
ProfWombat
"No Mind Left Alive" is more like it.
plantsman
Heh, my sister and brother-in-law refer to it as "No Child Left Alive
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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06.07.08 - 8:04 am | #
Road: got our first color TV in 1985. Enjoyed it, but we don't watch TV much. If we had, we'd have got one earlier, no doubt. But we grew up watching black and white TV, so that was the default...
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:04 am | #
"No Mind Left Alive" is more like it.
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"Every child left behind", if the children in question are struggling
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:04 am | #
'No Child Left Behind' is universally despised by every educator I've ever met.
ProfWombat | 06.07.08 - 8:01 am
Chimpy's margin notes for the original probably say "No Child Smarter Than Me".
filkertom |
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06.07.08 - 8:04 am | #
Khalid Sheik Mohammed On Same-Sex Marriage, Value of Counsel
Wall Street Journal Blogs - 16 hours ago
WSJ Supreme Court reporter Jess Bravin, who is in Gitmo this week covering the appearance of Khalid Sheik Mohammed and four other alleged Sept
...he said our constitution is evil because it allows same-sex marriage, blah blah...BAHAHAahahahahahaha
Ratwanger fundie fucks are the same no matter the culture
mogwai |
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06.07.08 - 8:05 am | #
Hey, Unc!
filkertom
Hey, Filtertom--not Filkerton, as I've heard you say multiple times on the CD I've been working on.
Yes, I'm almost through with the beast, the project using the EschaCon08 gabfest.
I just have to put some music to my "love note" to Hamell On Trial.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:06 am | #
leibniz: that crap starts early. My youngest daughter wears camo shorts a lot. In our affluent suburb, there are, in grade school, already those who wear more stylish stuff, and get identified as 'popular' girls. Part of this reflects their parents' values, part their own proclivities, part their susceptibility to all the marketing/entertainment (one and the same, mostly) to which they're subjected. Drives me nuts.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:08 am | #
'No Child Left Behind' is universally despised by every educator I've ever met.
ProfWombat
Bush's legacy: A loss is a terrible thing to mind.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:08 am | #
Looks like a legacy, but every item is a failure. Except maybe a few $ for AIDS relief
el, whitey
All of which $ were tied to abstinence education.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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06.07.08 - 8:08 am | #
Milwaukee damage was negligible. South of Milwaukee, Racine County had trees down - mostly from straight-line winds.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
06.07.08 - 8:08 am | #
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
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heh, when I was in college (art major), used to sneak into the dining hall at the end, wolf down a few bites, and then back to the art building.
One day it was the sad duty of my advisor to inform me, I had been spotted wearing {{{jeans}}} to the dining hall, and it was going in my *permanent record*.
I got to graduate, though
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:08 am | #
Republican John McCain's first major television ad after knowing for sure that Barack Obama will be his competition is a stark, personal pitch to voters that he knows about war - and knows how to keep America secure.
more stories like this
* Poll: Obama leads McCain nationally by slight margin
* Dems to push Obama's goals with bills in Congress
* Edwards rules out possibility of vice presidential run with Obama
* Gay marriage back as a campaign issue
* Today on the presidential campaign trail
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"Only a fool or a fraud talks tough or romantically about war," McCain says in the 30-second spot. "When I was 5 years old, my father left for war. My grandfather came home from war and died the next day."
"I was shot down over Vietnam and spent five years as a POW," he continues as historical images appear on the screen and sober music plays in the background. "Some of the friends I served with never came home. I hate war. And I know how terrible its costs are."
"I'm running for president to keep the country I love safe," McCain concludes.
it worked for dumbya in '04...this is uh-merica remember, we still HATE france for being right about the iraq war from the start
mogwai |
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06.07.08 - 8:09 am | #
All of which $ were tied to abstinence education.
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And $ helped the drug companies
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:09 am | #
All of which $ were tied to abstinence education.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
That is, if those $ showed up at all...lots of photo-op vapor pledges the past few years...
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:10 am | #
mogwai: I've often thought that the rightwingers have far more in common with the Islamic fundies than they'd like to admit.
I think part of the right's love for Israel is outright envy: a state based on religious identity which resorts uncritically, uncompromisingly and unapologetically to the use of massive military force.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:10 am | #
Drives me nuts.
JK Galbraith nailed it in "The Affluent Society". What was that, 1962?
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 8:10 am | #
Nice article on Mac Rebennack (Dr John), his music, and the New Orleans recovery in the NYT today.
Gromit |
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06.07.08 - 8:10 am | #
One day it was the sad duty of my advisor to inform me, I had been spotted wearing {{{jeans}}} to the dining hall, and it was going in my *permanent record*.
One's permanent record is highly overrated....
But, it's a wonderful control tool for those who don't yet know any better....
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:11 am | #
One day it was the sad duty of my advisor to inform me, I had been spotted wearing {{{jeans}}} to the dining hall, and it was going in my *permanent record*.
I got to graduate, though
el, whitey | 06.07.08 - 8:08 am
The whole Big Brother notion of intimidating kids th rough the "permanent record" (I first heard about it in second fucking grade) is just vile. And especially ludicrous given how reality worked then and how it works now, with YouTube and other sources actually creating a permanent record for those who kinda deserve it....
filkertom |
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06.07.08 - 8:12 am | #
"Only a fool or a fraud talks tough or romantically about war," McCain sez...
Take that clip, play it right before one showing McCain singing, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb Iran".
Diane: much as I hate to concede anything whatever to Bush, he has spent more money in Africa fighting AIDS, and not all of it it a subsidy of religious wingnuttery, though all too much of it is.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:12 am | #
Is it possible that all the chaotic weather in the upper midwest is due to Atrios being there?
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 8:12 am | #
rightwingers have far more in common with the Islamic fundies than they'd like to admit.
LOL...or are able to admit; they are simple people in my view, and as such probably don't get the connection
mogwai |
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06.07.08 - 8:12 am | #
OK, time for some breakfast. Enjoy the morning, bats!
And, as ifthethunderdontgetya so kindly pointed out, I discovered a WaPo editorial which actually almost got it right.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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06.07.08 - 8:14 am | #
Dr John is wonderful. Two of my favorite records are his covers of Duke Ellington, 'Duke Elegant', and one he made with Fathead Newman and Nat Adderly called 'Bluesiana Triangle'...
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:14 am | #
No, it's not Atrios' hot air, it's hot air from the Gulf of Mexico causing the bad weather.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 8:14 am | #
Morning, all.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 8:14 am | #
Hey, Moe!
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 8:15 am | #
I think part of the right's love for Israel is outright envy: a state based on religious identity which resorts uncritically, uncompromisingly and unapologetically to the use of massive military force.
except that over 50% of Israelis and American Jews object to unapologetic use of force. The right wing peaked, but still rules.
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:15 am | #
leibniz: further back than that, maybe Thorstein Veblen, others I can't think of offhand. A tension in western society as soon as disposable income existed...
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:15 am | #
That's a good thing.
Barndog, nice and cool |
06.07.08 - 8:16 am | #
OK, off to do other stuff.
Have a good and/or productive day, all.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
06.07.08 - 8:16 am | #
el: absolutely 100% in agreement. The right holds a caricature of Irsael that is at variance with the facts. And AIPAC isn't representative of Israeli opinion, much less that of American Jews.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:17 am | #
Hey filk, et al. Big garden day. Everything will be in today, by the end of the day. And, we're installing our rain collection system today too.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 8:17 am | #
Dr John is wonderful. Two of my favorite records are his covers of Duke Ellington, 'Duke Elegant', and one he made with Fathead Newman and Nat Adderly called 'Bluesiana Triangle'...
His song writing is terrific, but I'm a tremendous fan of his piano playing. So my favorite album is 'Dr John Plays Mac Rebennack' which is all solo piano.
Gromit |
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06.07.08 - 8:17 am | #
John McCain talks about the horrors of war, but he still wants the latest one to keep on going for years, or decades.
I'd say that's someone who didn't learn from experience.
I'd say that's someone who doesn't have a fuckin' clue.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:18 am | #
Good morning.
ProfWombat I believe Cuckoo has promised more money to Africa for aids than any other president but hasn't actually delivered.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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06.07.08 - 8:18 am | #
Gromit: from your lips to my iPod. Ain't technology wonderful?
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:19 am | #
Dr John is wonderful. Two of my favorite records are his covers of Duke Ellington, 'Duke Elegant', and one he made with Fathead Newman and Nat Adderly called 'Bluesiana Triangle'...
His song writing is terrific, but I'm a tremendous fan of his piano playing. So my favorite album is 'Dr John Plays Mac Rebennack' which is all solo piano.
Gromit | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 8:17 am
God, his piano work is amazing. An Iron Piano concert with him, Hornsby, Billy Joel, and Elton John could outsell Hannah Montana.
filkertom |
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06.07.08 - 8:20 am | #
ProfWombat I believe Cuckoo has promised more money to Africa for aids than any other president but hasn't actually delivered.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 8:18 am
Didn't he have all those abstinence-only strings on it?
filkertom |
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06.07.08 - 8:21 am | #
Prof Wombat,
Veblen rightly began to see economics as socially as well as individually determined. But iirc Galbraith identified the pernicious feed forward mechanisms of the bourgeois classes clamoring to use their disposable income like a peacock's feathers or a baboon's butt.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 8:21 am | #
John McCain talks about the horrors of war, but he still wants the latest one to keep on going for years, or decades.
The trouble with military background POTUS's, their most intimate friends, family, and colleagues, are bolstering war war war as the theme of life.
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:22 am | #
rightwingers have far more in common with the Islamic fundies than they'd like to admit.
ProfWombat
LOL...or are able to admit; they are simple people in my view, and as such probably don't get the connection
mogwai
Well, it's all just surface phenomenon to right wingers. They think of the headgear, the muezzin calls, and the prostration toward Mecca, and can't get further than that.
Introspection is anathema to reactionary conservatism.
Perhaps what I've missed the most in our country's zeitgeist of the previous few years is the utter lack of imagination.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:22 am | #
and Obama is enabling Israel into an attack on Iran as we speak.
starting WWIII so he can become president. what an incompetent!
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06.07.08 - 8:23 am | #
leibniz: sure; Galbraith's critique, arising out of the age of Mad. Ave. consumerism following WW II, was extraordinary for the time, and remains spot on. Besides, for a devotee of the Dismal Science, he was indecently fun to read...
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:23 am | #
Isn't it sort of early for trolls?
apres moi |
06.07.08 - 8:25 am | #
God, his piano work is amazing. An Iron Piano concert with him, Hornsby, Billy Joel, and Elton John could outsell Hannah Montana.
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the Iron Butterfingers Tour 08!!!!!!
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:25 am | #
God, his piano work is amazing.
He switched to piano from guitar after being shot in the hand. Still usually plays a little guitar in his shows, though.
Gromit |
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06.07.08 - 8:25 am | #
and Obama is enabling Israel into an attack on Iran as we speak.
starting WWIII so he can become president. what an incompetent!
Huh?
As I recall, Obama is not yet President, so he's in no position of "starting WWIII" quite yet.
Your lord and master, George W. Bush, is in the driver's seat right now on that one, troll.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:25 am | #
It is the fourth time in 10 months that a human foot has been found in a relatively small section of British Columbia's vast coastline. All have been right feet, encased in sneakers.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 8:26 am | #
and Obama is enabling Israel into an attack on Iran as we speak.
starting WWIII so he can become president. what an incompetent!
no Obama | 06.07.08 - 8:23 am | #
trollie, actually it was Bush who enabled it. After his trip to mid east, Olmert began publicizing his threat to invade Iran "if they don't stop enriching uranium".
Well, everyone on earth knows Iran's position on THAT. Did you hear Bush decrying this position? Did ANYONE decry this position?
You attribute a lot of power to a mere 3 day old presumptive nominee giving one speech.
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:26 am | #
shot in the hand and you're to blame
you give derringers a bad name
bad name
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:26 am | #
All have been right feet, encased in sneakers.
Land shark?
Steve McGarrett |
06.07.08 - 8:27 am | #
Besides, for a devotee of the Dismal Science, he was indecently fun to read...
ProfWombat
Ha! I learn something new every time I come here...the Dismal Science.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:28 am | #
Abstinence-only, and you can't mention abortion, even in countries lie, say, the USA, where it's a constitutional right in the first trimester. Like I said, highly imperfect, and, like most Bushie initiavitves that don't kill people or feed those who do, underfunded. But the US effort in such things has been woefully inadequate for some time. As constrained and ideologically blindered as Bush's efforts have been, they, sadly, remain an improvement.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:28 am | #
i really didn't need that image of feet this early.
breaking:
obama offers veep position to hillary who can't accept due to being pinned down by bosnians
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:29 am | #
And killfile's getting larger
Gromit |
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06.07.08 - 8:30 am | #
That's a pretty fascinating article (about the feet), actually, if you're up to it. Gets into a lot strange issues you would never think about.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 8:30 am | #
Unk: me too. Not a single time I come here when someone doesn't teach me something, send me someplace I haven't been or offer a slant on something I hadn't considered.
ProfWombat |
06.07.08 - 8:31 am | #
Obama - enabling war since June 5 2008
no Obama |
06.07.08 - 8:31 am | #
Criminal Minds: One More Foot; The Extended Version...over cheerios.
“It's not unusual to find a foot or an arm or a head washed up on a beach,”
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 8:32 am | #
the BC serial killer (assumption) may be a good dancer, seeing that there are no left feet
mogwai |
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06.07.08 - 8:32 am | #
Quote of the day:
“It's not unusual to find a foot or an arm or a head washed up on a beach,”
Moe Szyslak, cold | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 8:32 am | #
nope.
along with the spanish galleons, salvador dali silkscreens, trinkets from atlantis, and japanese 'used' undies in glass jars...
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:34 am | #
Actually, the coroner says it's probably *not* a serial killer:
“Based on what we know right now, this is a rather weird coincidence,” he said. “There is no indication that these are severed feet, no indication they have been forcibly removed.”
The coroner's office is plotting the finds on a map to try to determine what currents and tides might have delivered the feet to the various shores.
Mr. Smith suggests there are plenty of reasonable explanations: people lost in boating or airplane accidents, swimmers who drowned. But in his seven-plus years as chief coroner, he acknowledges, he's never dealt with anything like this.
“It sure is a baffling one,” he said.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 8:34 am | #
Obama - enabling war since June 5 2008
no Obama
Probably the definition of someone deep in denial.
The war is ongoing, my friend. And, someone else, near and dear to your heart, I think, is responsible for that.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:34 am | #
Quote of the day: “It's not unusual to find a foot or an arm or a head washed up on a beach,”
You can almost hear Donald Rumsfeld saying that.
Steve McGarrett |
06.07.08 - 8:34 am | #
Obama - enabling war since June 5 2008
no Obama | 06.07.08 - 8:31 am | #
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no Obama, why don't you state your position against Obama, or make a case for McCain? Cryptic defiant statements in this community come off like childish anger.
You don't want to be treated like a child, do you?
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:34 am | #
obama- enabling orange juice drinkers since 2008
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:35 am | #
enabling war since June 5 2008
would a tr00l's ignorance of reality be called irony? oxymoron?
mogwai |
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06.07.08 - 8:36 am | #
I'll be the very first to criticize Obama for not ending the war (and, I expect that to be the case, hope I'm wrong). But good god, somebody else is president, ya know?
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 8:36 am | #
You don't want to be treated like a child, do you?
Ah, the man-child is a regular fixture here....
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:37 am | #
why didn't john mccain end the franco-prussian war when he had the chance?
inquiring minds say it would be irresponsible to not ask this question.
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:37 am | #
I did not have sex with that Prussian.
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:38 am | #
Stuff going on (nothing bad, just suddenly time-consuming). Have a lovely day, gang -- hugs all around.
filkertom |
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06.07.08 - 8:39 am | #
Obama seems like a nice young man and not a "gangbanger" but I can't vote for him since I disagree with on-demand gay marriage and the rest of his San Francisco values platform.
Independents for McCain |
06.07.08 - 8:40 am | #
Obama seems like a nice young man and not a "gangbanger" but I can't vote for him since I disagree with on-demand gay marriage and the rest of his San Francisco values platform.
Independents for McCain
Of course, you hold this view with, nevertheless, with the greatest respect for the Constitution, especially the 14th Amendment to same.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:41 am | #
San Francisco values platform.
The speed at which Republican smears are picked up: I just read YESTERDAY about "San Francisco democrats", which seemingly are *liberals* who believe (natch) in extreme abortion and gay rights positions, even (gasp) gay marriage.
Senator Obama is not from San Francisco, and San Francisco values doesn't ring a bell.
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:44 am | #
Obama seems like a nice young man and not a "gangbanger" but I can't vote for him since I disagree with on-demand gay marriage and the rest of his San Francisco values platform.
Independents for McCain | 06.07.08 - 8:40 am | #
mccain seems like a nice very, very, very, very, very, old, old, old, old, old man and not a 'gangbanger' but i can't vote for him since i disagree with delivering bottled hot-water to dehydrated children.
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:44 am | #
“It's not unusual to find a foot or an arm or a head washed up on a beach,”
Moe Szyslak, cold
I thinking Blue Velvet sequel...
Jeffrey [hands over bag]: I've found a foot on the beach. Detective [looks in bag]: That's a human foot all right. Jeffrey [stiltingly]: What can you tell from the foot? Detective: It's a right one, and is significant for missing the body to which it should normally be attached.
[Cut to John Malkovich, as the evil Frank Booth's brother, snuffling airplane glue soaked into a pair of red panties as Dean Stockwell lip syncs "Crimson In Clover."]
I think I've got David Lynch's next project!
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:45 am | #
Quote of the day: “It's not unusual to find a foot or an arm or a head washed up on a beach,”
is delivering bottled, hot water to dehydrated children a 'gangbanger' position?
inquiring minds need to know.
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:46 am | #
mccain seems like a nice very, very, very, very, very, old, old, old, old, old man and not a 'gangbanger' but i can't vote for him since i disagree with delivering bottled hot-water to dehydrated children.
me too
That cracked us up. My son made me play the "remixed" one about 20 times. Poor babies.
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 8:47 am | #
Obama seems like a nice young man and not a "gangbanger"
and finally, having to say "not a gangbanger", as though presumably this clarification is necessary (with him being a negro?).
What if I said McCain seems like a nice old man and not a "gangbanger"
San Francisco values = I plan to vote for decrepit blinking gaffe machine with the creepy rictus Mona Lisa smile.
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06.07.08 - 8:48 am | #
Independents for McCain | 06.07.08 - 8:40 am |
independent my ass...when (as if) your type votes dem, the boat steers rightard
mogwai |
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06.07.08 - 8:48 am | #
Hmmm..."on-demand gay marriage" is one of the oddest troll baits I've seen in a while. I'm still trying parse what that actually means, if anything.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:49 am | #
Those San Francisco-values-having liberals prefer Rice-A-Roni to mash potatoes!
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 8:49 am | #
why can't the bottled hot-water industries practice their love?
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:50 am | #
Lots of gangbangers are 46 yo Harvard Law graduates.
Good dog, these people have nothing to work with, do they?
Gromit |
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06.07.08 - 8:51 am | #
San Francisco liberals (who are the right wing in SF) actually do a pretty good job running the city. For all the scandals and over-the-top news events (remember the bottle-up-the-ass party?) the place actually is governmed with something resembling competence, which is far more than you can say for most places.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 8:51 am | #
"Hmmm..."on-demand gay marriage" is one of the oddest troll baits I've seen in a while. I'm still trying parse what that actually means, if anything.
Uncle Smokes"
I think it means that any homosexual can come up demand and demand to marry you. You won't be allowed to decline the proposal.
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 8:51 am | #
What if I said McCain seems like a nice old man and not a "gangbanger"
Say, what?
What if I said McCain seems like an aging, corrupt tool of organized crime and the military-industrial complex who drools in his oatmeal each morning?
I could say that, but, y'know....
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:51 am | #
Hmmm..."on-demand gay marriage" is one of the oddest troll baits I've seen in a while. I'm still trying parse what that actually means, if anything.
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it seemed to work for abortion, why not try it for gay marriage?
apres moi |
06.07.08 - 8:51 am | #
"on-demand gay marriage"
Uncle Smokes (and good morning to you) I think it was referring to states in which a gay person can follow the same procedures to get married as a man/woman couple.
think it means that any homosexual can come up demand and demand to marry you. You won't be allowed to decline the proposal.
Willendorf Venus | 06.07.08 - 8:51 am | #
and mimes.
Mime marriage on demand is a san francisco value.
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:52 am | #
I think it means that any homosexual can come up demand and demand to marry you. You won't be allowed to decline the proposal.
Willendorf Venus
Well...I wouldn't do that. I would at least throw in a nice coupon book.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 8:52 am | #
I think it refers to where you can get gay marriage out of a vending machine.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 8:53 am | #
if two homosexual mimes marry each other do you have same-sex silence on demand?
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:53 am | #
it seemed to work for abortion, why not try it for gay marriage?
the receivers are knuckle-dragging simpletons who need their news force-fed in snippets; i always think of cletus the slack-jawed yokel
mogwai |
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06.07.08 - 8:53 am | #
Hmmm..."on-demand gay marriage" is one of the oddest troll baits I've seen in a while. I'm still trying parse what that actually means, if anything.
Umm, "on-demand" means marriage of two people without Supreme Court challenges.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 8:53 am | #
You think McCain was yearning for his hot-water bottle when he made that gaffe?
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 8:54 am | #
Umm, "on-demand" means marriage of two people without Supreme Court challenges.
Actually, it's "on-de man", which scares the hell out of the trolls.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.07.08 - 8:55 am | #
i shot a mime in reno
just to hear him cry
me too |
06.07.08 - 8:55 am | #
I think it means that any homosexual can come up demand and demand to marry you. You won't be allowed to decline the proposal.
In an LDS community, demand as many as you want
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 8:56 am | #
I long for those carefree days before I knew about the existence of the Stadium Pal. (What kind of pal lets you pee into them, anyway?)
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 9:00 am | #
I wonder what the chances are of lining up a threesome with Julie Couillard and Karla Homolka.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 9:01 am | #
I think it refers to where you can get gay marriage out of a vending machine.
leibniz leibkins
Great...it's 4am at a Motel 6, and the only thing in the vending machine is gay mariage and a yellow can of Canada Dry Tonic Water.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 9:02 am | #
Stadium Pal! And its distaff version, incontinelle!
In the sailing community these were marketed as "he she", girls could unzip their jeans, hold a he she to the pee generating area, and affect a stream into the ocean, just like a boy!
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 9:03 am | #
Moe, is your wife traveling?
Ralphie |
06.07.08 - 9:04 am | #
I wonder what the chances are of lining up a threesome with Julie Couillard and Karla Homolka.
Moe Szyslak
Moe, only one of you would come out alive.
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 9:04 am | #
Moe, is your wife traveling?
No, she'd be the third.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 9:04 am | #
I wonder what the chances are of lining up a threesome with Julie Couillard and Karla Homolka.
Moe Szyslak
You news hounds never stop working, do you?
Gromit |
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06.07.08 - 9:05 am | #
Heh:
Mr. Sirois is also the first of those close to Ms. Couillard to speak out - and few people were as intimate with her as he was. Of the five men she has been recently revealed to be associated with - a convicted Mafia gangster, a loan shark, a biker, a security consultant who trafficked in stolen goods and finally a former Tory cabinet minister - Mr. Sirois is the only one she married.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 9:08 am | #
With that, I gotta get started in the garden. See you folks later.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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06.07.08 - 9:09 am | #
Hey, peeps, just a quick visit.
Moe, about them shoes: I remember when the third one made the news, and there was something in that article that I didn't see in this one (maybe it's there and I missed it): that left and right shoes may well end up in different places because of their form and how they react to currents. That may explain why they are all right shoes in this area.
Marcellina |
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06.07.08 - 9:11 am | #
Sounds like that Julie really knows what she wants in a man.
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 9:11 am | #
Good morning
Today I go to my sister's retirement party. When does Hillary speak?
camelot |
06.07.08 - 9:11 am | #
so Obama is planning on sending Cruella Deville McCaskill out as his women's emissary...
Once again proving that his campaign has not clue about sexism and politics
Claire I never met a gooper I didn't like with the crappy stands on immigation and FISA and her lies about why she supported Obama
Joker |
06.07.08 - 9:12 am | #
Umm, just thinking here.
The most obnoxious, fearful, cowardly, ill-informed, least aware, grammatically- and logically-challenged, authoritarian-loving people in this country come here to say we're all idiots.
That is all.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 9:12 am | #
Hope Hecate gets to go see Hillary today
I'm off to pick up my mom for a picnic by a mountain waterfall
Have a great day, all
Gromit |
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06.07.08 - 9:13 am | #
Have no idea when it actually starts.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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06.07.08 - 9:15 am | #
Greenwald nails it
Like he always do.
Willendorf Venus |
06.07.08 - 9:16 am | #
Greenwald is going to be the guest at Lizz Winstead's thing here on Monday night.
I'm trying to find somebody to go with me.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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06.07.08 - 9:17 am | #
New York, (ANI): Vanity Fair magazine has refused Gina Gershon's demand for an apology over a profile piece on Bill Clinton which stated that the actress had an alleged affair with the former US President. The magazine has also refused to print a retraction for the same.
Are Linda Tripp and Pantload's momma involved in this somehow? Do they have a semen-stained blue dress or some other damning article of clothing hidden away somewhere, ready to spring on an unsuspecting public?
Lime Rickey |
06.07.08 - 9:18 am | #
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
Hmmmmm. I truly want to see her speech, but I suppose I will at some point. I think it will provide closure and I hope it is something I can show my daughters to make them realize how this country supports strong women.
camelot |
06.07.08 - 9:18 am | #
c-span covering Hill live at noon
el, whitey |
06.07.08 - 9:21 am | #
Meanwhile the race for Vito Fossella's seat is getting weird.
Why does he remind me of an older version of the kid selling illegal Chinese ammunition to the Afghans with US taxpayer money?
montag |
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06.07.08 - 9:22 am | #
Meanwhile the race for Vito Fossella's seat is getting weird.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
Oof...what a look...like David Lynch and Tim Robbins got made an unholy cross-clone. It's probably not politically sound these days to look like Gary Glitter.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 9:22 am | #
Alas for my twisted brain...I see McCain...I see hot-water bottle...and I think Stadium Pal!
Uncle Smokes
A certain astronaut might have a career had she known about this product.
No, never. Good morning.
camelot |
06.07.08 - 9:27 am | #
Where is everybody? Is it something I said?
Uh, much more likely it was something I said. *sigh*
montag |
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06.07.08 - 9:28 am | #
People are out doing things.
I'll see if I can motivate myself to go to Target before it gets too hot.
Hasta luego.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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06.07.08 - 9:29 am | #
Senator Clinton has a speech she has to give this morning, and a lot of folks are probably avoiding talking about it.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 9:30 am | #
Where is everybody? Is it something I said?
Well, it is Saturday. People are mowing, shopping, preparing yard sales, planting, fucking, you know, the usual stuff.
Ralphie |
06.07.08 - 9:30 am | #
A lot of the country is hot and muggy today, too.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 9:31 am | #
Well, it is Saturday. People are mowing, shopping, preparing yard sales, planting, fucking, you know, the usual stuff.
I think the people mowing got the short end of the stick....
montag |
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06.07.08 - 9:32 am | #
Uncle Smokes I like that Powers Jr. says that if doesn't win the libertarian nod he'll run for the Anarchist Party.
Didn't know they had one in Staten Island.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
I suspect it would be his own instant party--imagine that, a libertarian anarchist Lieberman with daddy issues...the mind boggles. Rock on, Fran!
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 9:32 am | #
SteveLG, you're in the DC area? I have a public transit question for you.
Marcellina |
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06.07.08 - 9:33 am | #
A lot of people who mow are nuts for their lawns, though.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 9:34 am | #
Commander-in-Chief Election [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
Fred Kagan writes:
For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.
As Jesus warns us: "Do not count your chickens before all the eggs have been gathered."
Lime Rickey |
06.07.08 - 9:36 am | #
F5...F5...F5...
Will I get to be first?
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 9:36 am | #
Good morning.
I'd like to wish a happy 50th birthday to a certain Roger Nelson, who goes by a certain royal moniker.
(hint...it's Prince)
Zap Rowsdower...True Story |
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06.07.08 - 9:37 am | #
I have not seen Commander in Chief on any ballot, ever.
Ralphie |
06.07.08 - 9:38 am | #
I start the day with a hearty Fuck You to that racist prick Clint Eastwood.
Troutski, BTW |
06.07.08 - 9:38 am | #
Fred Hiatt has been mentioned above, there is no fucking way he will not win Wanker of the Day
Attaturk | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 9:21 am | #
As Jesus warns us: "Do not count your chickens before all the eggs have been gathered."
Lime Rickey
Can't count chickens that have been hawked.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 9:39 am | #
I'm off to do stuff. Have a nice Saturday, peeps.
Marcellina |
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06.07.08 - 9:39 am | #
...and it's also the 10th anniversary of the murder of James Byrd. I can't believe that it's been that long.
Zap Rowsdower...True Story |
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06.07.08 - 9:39 am | #
Note to Fred Kagan: at the time Obama proposed his Strategy, it was politically risky and unpopular and Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq. Try again.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 9:39 am | #
For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief,
And there lies one of the great problems of our age. When the role of "commander-in-chief" becomes more important than that of manager of the Executive, we've become a nation of slaves to militarism and become second-class citizens.
Fred Kagan can eat my shorts... without condiments.
montag |
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06.07.08 - 9:41 am | #
MSNBC keeps running a loop of a hugely expensive B-2 bomber crashing on Guam.
plantsman, |
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06.07.08 - 9:42 am | #
Alas...I can't wait around to try to be first whenever the next thread pops up.
And this guy does not deserve mention for WOD? Listen to the wanking, The issue isn’t the amount of trade. European countries actually trade much more than the United States. But their citizens appear to be more comfortable with the idea because their governments provide a stronger safety net to catch workers undercut by foreign competition and redistribute the gains from trade more equitably.
In the United States, public spending on social programs, from unemployment insurance to health care, amounts to about 17 percent of the overall economy. This is about half the level in Germany and less than almost every other rich nation. America’s meager social safety net and its winner-take-all distribution of riches means workers have less to gain from trade’s benefits and more to lose from any disruption.
He MUST be a furriner! We do NOT do shit like that here.
DWD - S☮S |
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06.07.08 - 9:44 am | #
Media owls
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins |
06.07.08 - 9:44 am | #
(Wouldn't you frinkin' know it?! Damn.)
Uncle Smokes |
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06.07.08 - 9:44 am | #
Morning again peeps.
It's more shit flinging and we have to have a better way to respond than on blogs. The reporter asking about the non-existant tape was despicable. Now it's out there. A total fabrication based on a rumor based on a novel. Sucks big time.
qlª |
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06.07.08 - 9:45 am | #
Hi, DWD; make it thru without twister damage?
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