I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Welcome baaaaack....
I thought it was always sucky blogging.
all hail sucky blogging
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Could you even have gotten from Philly to SF and back by train? I'm assuming all the mess-ups were due to our wonderfully-deregulated airplane system?
One of my favorite musicians is sick.
Could you even have gotten from Philly to SF and back by train?
That'd be fun, if I had the time.
Takes about a day and a half to get from MSP to Penn Station. Fun trip, though.
Wingers enabling Hamas at
http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
welcome home, Atrios
I call shenanigans.
But did Atrios take the commuter rail R1 supertrain from the airport to home???
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Could you even have gotten from Philly to SF and back by train?
Not with all that crab.
Which was hopefully packed well...
Could you even have gotten from Philly to SF and back by train?
That'd be fun, if I had the time.
Takes about a day and a half to get from MSP to Penn Station. Fun trip, though.
In 2001, I took the train from Union Station in DC to New Orleans to meet Son and DiL in New Orleans for Thanksgiving. I've never tried to take it cross country.
A
Could you even have gotten from Philly to SF and back by train? I'm assuming all the mess-ups were due to our wonderfully-deregulated airplane system?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:39 pm |
Off the top of my head, SF to Chicago, and then onto Philadelphia.
Crab & beer at Duncan's! I can be there half an hour if I don't stop off to play disc golf.
The Empire Builder goes from Chicago to Seattle, then down to Portland. I'm sure you could catch a connector from PDX to SanFran.
JJ Hill's legacy.
Hecate!
So on the night of January 1st I had a dream about a very pleasant witch. I was sitting next to her in a library/coffee show bench. I got sleepy. I laid down on the bench. She bent over me and with a small hand turned mixer put it in my open mouth and while turning the mixer she recited some sort of incantation. I was confused because I couldn't make out the words, but I wasn't scared. My over all experiences with the witch during our earlier conversation was pleasant.
Of course when I woke up I thought of you. I know you don't do dream analysis, but I just thought that I should tell you since you do those night time poems that I love and hey, it was a interesting witch dream.
First dream of the new year.
Hecate, I think he was fogged in at SF
Diane took the train from L.A. to Albuquerque, that's a good ride. And I've gone from Dallas to D.C., but there's a long layover in Chicago.
We need a high speed train with only a couple of stops, to get Coast to Coast.
I have kitties.
And a Paxcast about Nixon's Quakerism.
Off the top of my head, SF to Chicago, and then onto Philadelphia.
Buckeye ...
Looked up the schedule: SF by bus (30 minutes) to the train, then to Chicago (53 hours), then to DC (17 hours) then to Phili.
Union Station in Chicago is something else.
Of course, the scene from that one movie was shot there...
Just checked AMTRAK - 68.5 hours San Francisco to Philly.
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What Israel is doing is immoral and probably stupid, but it's utterly shallow to argue that "the jews" should have learned from the experience of being butchered because they were unarmed and nonstrategic that butchery is bad.
rootless-e, stuntman | 01.03.09 - 2:37 pm | #
Not shallow at all. It was one musing in a large, overarching discussion that addressed the shortcomings of all sides, including Americans. What's shallow is to then declare that people who say such things are themselves bad for even daring speak the words.
There are lessons to learn from the Jewish and global response to Nazism. There are lessons to learn from the Jewish and global treatment of Palestinians. To focus on one remark is shallow and glib.
damn i missed the economics thread.
Union Station in Chicago is something else.
Of course, the scene from that one movie was shot there...
When I worked in Chicago in the mid-80's I used to take the train into Union Station. Used to walk out those same stairs all the time.
Off the top of my head, SF to Chicago, and then onto Philadelphia.
Buckeye ...
Looked up the schedule: SF by bus (30 minutes) to the train, then to Chicago (53 hours), then to DC (17 hours) then to Phili.
Supreme Commander Thor | 01.03.09 - 2:46 pm | #
http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/am...chedule&x=0&
y=0
Hecate, I think he was fogged in at SF
Fog? At SFO? NO WAY!
First dream of the new year.
You've got to go post that at gnosiscafe.com Anne Hill's doing New Year's Dream Resolutions.
One of the usual idiots over at Glennzilla's place was talking about how a "final solution" to the problem of the Palestinians was needed.
Without the slightest awareness that he would have fit into the Wansee Conference perfectly.
we need more & faster trains that have priority over 40 mph freight trains. You know, like in a civilized country.
Supreme Commander Thor |
At least we didn't crash the AMTRAK server.
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We need a high speed train with only a couple of stops, to get Coast to Coast.
I agree. 200 mph and it would be a great public works project.
I think he was fogged in at SF
I looked up SFO the day he said that, and didn't see anything about being "fogged in"... so not sure...
Fog? At SFO? NO WAY!
No one could have anticipated...
Hello moonbats!
Anyone here ever read any Louise Hay?
Yesterday and today have been clear in the Bay Area, btw...
One of the usual idiots over at Glennzilla's place was talking about how a "final solution" to the problem of the Palestinians was needed.
A padded room is the place for someone like that.
The Empire Builder goes from Chicago to Seattle, then down to Portland. I'm sure you could catch a connector from PDX to SanFran.
JJ Hill's legacy.
AndyMN | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:44 pm |
When we did our West Coast Train trip we went from Indy to Chicago, onto the Southwest Chief to LA (with a stop in Flagstaff) and then on to the Coast Starlighter to San Francisco/Oakland. Then onto PDX and a transfer to the Empire Builder and back to Chicago. Long, but fun. Much better than spending two weeks in school.
i thought we were having a rather good discussion
but thats just me
its why i luv this place
Without the slightest awareness that he would have fit into the Wansee Conference perfectly.
Conspiracy should be required viewing...
A padded room is the place for someone like that.
A padded office at the Republican National Committee probably.
Fog? At SFO? NO WAY!
I've spent some lovely nights at the Westin St. Francis fogged in in SFO Nice concierge there.
Vicki, I've read a lot of Hay. She's good for what she's good for.
CSpan newscrawl, Israel launches ground offensive into Gaza. Crud.
Wow...The Hiawatha still runs. Albeit, it starts in Milwaukee now.
That was the big train between Minneapolis and Chicago back in the day.
NTodd gotz purty kittehs!
Showdown over GOP leadership opens rifts
Race to become RNC's chair heats up as party struggles to redefine vision
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28477618/
I'd find this more entertaining if our own house and senate leaders weren't so useless.
Not shallow at all. It was one musing in a large, overarching discussion that addressed the shortcomings of all sides, including Americans. What's shallow is to then declare that people who say such things are themselves bad for even daring speak the words.
There are lessons to learn from the Jewish and global response to Nazism. There are lessons to learn from the Jewish and global treatment of Palestinians. To focus on one remark is shallow and glib.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:47 pm | #
I don't think you are bad, I think you are glib. In fact, Hitler's goal of ridding Europe of a thriving and growing Jewish minority was achieved by extermination camps. The white settlers in the USA prospered by murdering indians and taking their land. There are still vast fortunes from the slave trade that give the inheritors lives of ease and power to this day. Rockefeller never paid a price for having miners machine gunned. Crime and worse pays. The reason that morality is difficult is that it often involves damaging your own self interest.
Of course, one might also ask what the 50% of Israeli Jews who are not of European extraction are supposed to have learned from the Warsaw Ghetto.
U.S. backing Israel and siding against Gaza civilians is sucky.
http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
am drinking a nice glass of white wine and watching Dark Habits (Spanish: Entre tinieblas) - dir. Pedro Almodóvar, 1983)
I just love his films, the strong use of colour is just amazing
That line getting crossed in Gaza today . . .
A farewell kiss blown from Shrub to his future historical admirers.
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Wow...The Hiawatha still runs. Albeit, it starts in Milwaukee now.
That was the big train between Minneapolis and Chicago back in the day.
AndyMN | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:51 pm | #
Practically a comuter train.
And they have a Metra line that goes to Milwaukee, IIRC.
U.S. backing Israel and siding against Gaza civilians is sucky.
Color me surprised!
Welcome home, Atrios, and good afternoon, good people.
Given AMTRAK's current schedule, SF to Philly is a long trek. However, if mass transportation is to take hold, and if AMTRAK can shift to a more modern mode (such as non-diesel locomotives and high speed rail it doesn't have to share with freight trains), it should be possible to go coast to coast in no more than 48 hours.
And what a grand tour of this country it would be!
A farewell kiss blown from Shrub to his future historical admirers.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory
The textbook authors will have a shining example of how low we can go. The shine is from rot.
Anyone here ever read any Louise Hay?
My lovely wife's a big fan. There's someone else she likes whose name I can't remember at the moment who is associated with Hay... when I find out, I'll forward it on.
Long, but fun. Much better than spending two weeks in school.
That sounds great.
Zapette and I got a buy one/get one free coupon for plane tickets this year, but I'd love to take the train again. The Empire Builder is seeing record #s of passengers right now. It's a great thing to hear...last time I rode, they were begging passengers to contact Congress about funding.
Of course, one might also ask what the 50% of Israeli Jews who are not of European extraction are supposed to have learned from the Warsaw Ghetto.
The same lesson we all learned: stand up early to evil.
Vicki, I've read a lot of Hay. She's good for what she's good for.
Thanks, Hecate. That's exactly what I needed to hear. I've put my metaphysical journey on hold for a few years, and I have a powerful urge to follow that path (I mentioned that to you late in the Fall, I think) and see where it leads this year. Still investigating comfortable and safe places to worship.
I'm serious about working on that whole aspect of my life -- great time to start, too, the new year...the reading from you was an excellent catalyst.
Throw your shoe.
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The same lesson we all learned: stand up early to evil.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:55 pm | #
Sadly, I'm not sure we've learned that lesson at all, dear goddess.
I don't think you are bad, I think you are glib. In fact, Hitler's goal of ridding Europe of a thriving and growing Jewish minority was achieved by extermination camps.
Ah yes, redefining things now. The Final Solution failed, as did the Thousand Year Reich overall. And it would've failed even more spectacularly if more people engaged in nonviolent resistance. But you go ahead and get all upset and defensive if people in a long discussion muse about a potential lesson learned from the carnage, about how reducing your enemy to barbarians, vermin, etc, only justifies your barbarity in your mind.
More gardening to do now.
Sending good vibes, Diane for your congestion. Or maybe, for you instead.
The same lesson we all learned: stand up early to evil.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:55 pm | #
Sadly, I'm not sure we've learned that lesson at all, dear goddess.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:57 pm | #
indeed
Arthur Silber - The Same Year of Hatred, Cruelty and Violence, Endlessly Repeating
Sadly, I'm not sure we've learned that lesson at all, dear goddess.
The only lessons the Israeli militants seemed to have learned from the Warsaw ghetto is the best way to exterminate the vermin.
Gardening.
That sounds good about now.
Heh.
When the 111th Congress convenes on Tuesday, Norm Coleman may be out of an office, even though his Senate race remains far from settled.
Coleman’s first term officially expires at noon on Saturday, and he is locked in one of the closest Senate races in history, with Democrat Al Franken clinging to a 49-vote lead out of nearly 3 million votes cast.
Since he has not been certified a winner in the race, Coleman may have to give up his privileges as a senator, including his desk on the floor, his personal office and his right to vote on legislation, according to Democratic aides familiar with the rules.
Of course, one might also ask what the 50% of Israeli Jews who are not of European extraction are supposed to have learned from the Warsaw Ghetto.
Indeed, they could not have learned a fucking thing from history, particularly one that is oft held up as the prime example of humanity's inhumanity to humanity.
Since he has not been certified a winner in the race, Coleman may have to give up his privileges as a senator, including his desk on the floor, his personal office and his right to vote on legislation, according to Democratic aides familiar with the rules.
AndyMN | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:59 pm | #
I will probably have to spend an extra hour in church tomorrow for the unseemly glee I just exhibited.
The Empire Builder is seeing record #s of passengers right now.
I took the Empire Builder when I moved to Seattle in '81. It's great, if you've got three days to spend on a train (although my trip arrived twelve hours late), but it's not really practical transportation compared with air.
To focus on one remark is shallow and glib.
But you do that all the time.
Long, but fun. Much better than spending two weeks in school.
That sounds great.
Zapette and I got a buy one/get one free coupon for plane tickets this year, but I'd love to take the train again. The Empire Builder is seeing record #s of passengers right now. It's a great thing to hear...last time I rode, they were begging passengers to contact Congress about funding.
AndyMN | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:55 pm |
Amtrak had sale that ended the day before spring break began, but Mom and Dad thought that the trip would be more educational and three weeks out of school wouldn't be so bad.
Of course, this being the middle of march and going through the plains/midwest, there was a snow storm and we got rerouted. But we got rerouted through Clovis, NM, which is where Dad was stationed during the first years of their marriage. So that was cool.
I'm not quite sure why someone would be namestealing me this afternoon, btw, especially to do something as innocuous as calling a new thread.
Ah yes, redefining things now. The Final Solution failed, as did the Thousand Year Reich overall. And it would've failed even more spectacularly if more people engaged in nonviolent resistance.[..]
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 2:57 pm | #
Ok, you're not just glib, you are ignorant beyond belief.
It's great, if you've got three days to spend on a train (although my trip arrived twelve hours late), but it's not really practical transportation compared with air.
It's also great if you're going from, say, St. Paul to Fargo. Or La Crosse to Chicago.
But yeah, you've gotta set aside a lot of time if you're going long-distance.
I would love to do the train trip across the country with the family. Driving that far is teh suck.
I'm not quite sure why someone would be namestealing me this afternoon, btw, especially to do something as innocuous as calling a new thread.
theodoric of athens | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 3:02 pm | #
I believe that falls under the category of "Troll Tradition".
Sweet!
A new thread to educate infidels with.
Protests against the slaughter in Gaza
Hecate -
RE musicians and healthcare:
http://www.rockrap.com/healthcar...care/
index.html
Off to do a bit of yardwork while the early January sun is still out, you lovely Moonbats. We need to start from the premise that bombing children is wrong and then proceed from there to figure out how to manage our political affairs. Instead of what we do now, which is figuring out how to manage our political affairs and then feeling sad when children are killed as the only possible outcome.
Indeed, they could not have learned a fucking thing from history, particularly one that is oft held up as the prime example of humanity's inhumanity to humanity.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 3:00 pm | #
If you asked mizrahi israelis and palestinians, I am sure that 95% of them would prefer "we have an air force and the displeasure of the civilized world" to "we are bombed by someone's airforce and have the sympathy of the world.:"
And that is one of the lessons of the Warsaw Ghetto.
Piles are acting up today.
Ok, you're not just glib, you are ignorant beyond belief.
You have an odd definition of success. And thanks for dismissing me as ignorant. You're right, I've never studied this shit at all and couldn't possibly come to a different conclusion than you have. You're AWESOME AND SMART!
A lesson I learned.
NTodd, Trollson
Wow.
I ♥ you. That's some story.
Indeed, they could not have learned a fucking thing from history, particularly one that is oft held up as the prime example of humanity's inhumanity to humanity.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 3:00 pm | #
If you asked mizrahi israelis and palestinians, I am sure that 95% of them would prefer "we have an air force and the displeasure of the civilized world" to "we are bombed by someone's airforce and have the sympathy of the world.:"
And that is one of the lessons of the Warsaw Ghetto.
rootless-e, stuntman | 01.03.09 - 3:06 pm | #
Still rubbing NToddler's nose in shit?
Nice.
Driving that far is teh suck.
Not to mention even less practical than the train.
I've done that a couple of times, too. It took me about four days, Seattle to Chicago. A couple I knew used to drive Seattle to Indiana straight thru, switching off driving, a couple of times a year. Took them about 40 hours.
Wow...the namestealing is sloppier than usual.
Better do some cleaning. BBL.
Ok, you're not just glib, you are ignorant beyond belief.
You have an odd definition of success. And thanks for dismissing me as ignorant. You're right, I've never studied this shit at all and couldn't possibly come to a different conclusion than you have. You're AWESOME AND SMART!
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 3:07 pm | #
He can no longer defend his postition. You've reduced him to sarcasm.
LMAO.
If you asked mizrahi israelis and palestinians, I am sure that 95% of them would prefer "we have an air force and the displeasure of the civilized world" to "we are bombed by someone's airforce and have the sympathy of the world.:"
And thus the point: there's another lesson they could have learned.
All righty then!
3:00 PM in the afternoon, and I am going out for a lonnnnggggg walk. It's sunny and 35 for Christ's sake. What more could the universe put before me to make me enjoy the Glory of the Earth?
3 days walking in a row! Yay, 2009! We are starting out right, and righteous!
Gardening.
That sounds good about now.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 01.03.09 - 2:59 pm |
Where I'll be moving to has a small back yard, though very shaded.
I've not gardened in 17 years, I don't remember anything.
I'm leaving now. Enjoy Cali's pathetic attempts to namesteal me.
Ciao.
Who is Matt Smith.
Just sayin'.....
Following theodoric.
Bye, lovely peeps.
Toddler -
I can see the resemblance.
Cool.
LONDON (Reuters) - Thousands of chanting, banner-waving demonstrators marched in cities across Europe on Saturday to demand a halt to Israeli bombing in the Gaza Strip.
Protests were held in Britain, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Turkey as the Israeli offensive entered its second week, and before Israel confirmed ground forces had entered Gaza.
Israeli Arabs held a protest march and Kuwaitis also took to the streets, a day after bigger Middle East rallies.
In Paris, police said more than 20,000 demonstrators, many wearing Palestinian keffiyeh headscarves, marched through the city center chanting slogans such as "Israel murderer!" and waving banners demanding an end to the air attacks.
http://www.reuters.com/article/
n...E50218020090103
Sadly, I'm not sure we've learned that lesson at all, dear goddess.
The only lessons the Israeli militants seemed to have learned from the Warsaw ghetto is the best way to exterminate the vermin.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 01.03.09 - 2:58 pm | #
Is there something wrong with erradicating Hamas Terrorist Scum?
NTodd, seeing that pic of the Ellis Island log reminded me of the one our family's historian sent me.
My father came first, from Poland. He was an illegal, landing in Canada and then sneaking into the US through Detroit as a 15 year old. Five years later he brought his parents and siblings over legally, and it is their names that are registered.
Their courage and determination are quite a legacy, one that I'm not sure I've carried on, especially these last 8 years.
Angry protests against Israel's bombardment of the Gaza Strip have continued throughout the world, with two of the largest demonstrations taking place in London and in Sakhnin in northern Israel.
Other large demonstrations were staged in Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, Srinagar in Indian-administered Kashmir, Lebanon, Turkey and the West Bank.
Protesters in Kabul pumped their fists into the air and shouted slogans against Israel and the United States, while in Srinagar activists burned an effigy of Ehud Olmert, Israel's outgoing prime minister.
In Ramallah in the West Bank, Palestinians seeking national unity marched through streets and there were clashes with Israeli riot police.
http://english.aljazeera.net/
new...4494987954.html
"I'm trying to avoid the use of words that start with 're,' words like renewal, rebuild, recharge, re-this and re-that," Steele wrote in a memo to RNC members. "I'm convinced we should not re-anything. Instead, we must stand proudly for the timeless principles our Party has always stood for."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2847...8477618/page/2/
Interesting plan.
If you asked mizrahi israelis and palestinians, I am sure that 95% of them would prefer "we have an air force and the displeasure of the civilized world" to "we are bombed by someone's airforce and have the sympathy of the world.:"
And thus the point: there's another lesson they could have learned.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 3:10 pm | #
All spoken while NToddler sits back in his chair at Starbucks and enjoys another latte.
He can no longer defend his postition.
Elias, you have no posTition to defend.
You've reduced him to sarcasm.
Which is many levels of discourse above the sophomoric crap you post.
Since people aren't listening to the Paxcast, how about a quote from Howard Thurman:
The religion of Jesus says to the disinherited: "Love your enemy. Take the initiative in seeking ways by which you can have the experience of a common sharing of mutual worth and value. It may be hazardous, but you must do it."
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What one discovers in even a single experience in which barriers have been removed may become useful in building an over-all technique for loving one's enemy. There cannot be too great insistence on the point that we are here dealing with a discipline, a method, a technique, as over against some form of wishful thinking or simply desiring.
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A whole group may be regarded as an exception, and thus one is relieved of any necessity to regard them as human beings. A Negro may say: "If a man is white, he may be automatically classified as one incapable of dealing with me as if he were a rational human being." Or it may be just the reverse. Such a mood, the mood of exception, operates in all sorts of ways...The deadly consequences of this attitude are evident. On the same principle scapegoats are provided, upon whose helpless heads we pour our failures and our fears.
Is there something wrong with erradicating Hamas Terrorist Scum?
Apparently, for you, there was no problem with eliminating Jewish terrorist scum from the Warsaw ghetto.
Cali,
any chance those plump little "earwroms" you talked about on the last thread are maggots, shit for brains?
Looks like Chimpy's proposal for ceasefire monitors meant that the IDF would be the monitors.
i shan't mention Irgun or the bombing of the Kind David's Hotel
my Granny was stationed in Jerusalem during the war, and she left the HQ a few days before the bombing took place
it's too humiliating having Cali "agree".
bbl
I'm leaving now. Enjoy Cali's pathetic attempts to namesteal me.
Ciao.
theodoric of athens | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 3:10 pm | #
We ALL were namestolen, dumbass.
"I'm convinced we should not re-anything. Instead, we must stand proudly for the timeless principles our Party has always stood for."
Lincoln and TR would disown these dickweeds in a New York minute.
heehee, NTodd is many things, ignorant he aint.
one might also ask what the 50% of Israeli Jews who are not of European extraction
What extraction are they? If you read the Turkish and British census data from pre-WWI and the Palestine Mandate, there were very few Jews in the area. IIRC only about 50,000 about the time of WWI and many of them had moved to Palestine around 1880.
All spoken while NToddler sits back in his chair at Starbucks and enjoys another latte.
So, you're alternating your posts while fighting on the Gaza strip?
heh.
Fucking woo woo.
Their courage and determination are quite a legacy, one that I'm not sure I've carried on, especially these last 8 years.
I doubt we can ever live up to the examples, but striving is the first step...
I'll do or say anything to get a rise out of you suckers and you just take the bait instead of ignoring me. Thus I win!
We are talking about the 1.5 million concentration camp prisoners living in Gaza, not a political party. Let the slaughter begin!
I doubt we can ever live up to the examples, but striving is the first step...
Someone's got to be first.
You'd have done the same thing under similar circumstances.
i shan't mention Irgun or the bombing of the Kind David's Hotel
my Granny was stationed in Jerusalem during the war, and she left the HQ a few days before the bombing took place
Moonbootica, Cocktail Girl | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 3:16 pm | #
seriously?
What extraction are they? If you read the Turkish and British census data from pre-WWI and the Palestine Mandate, there were very few Jews in the area. IIRC only about 50,000 about the time of WWI and many of them had moved to Palestine around 1880.
Toonscribe | 01.03.09 - 3:16 pm | #
Morocco, Tunisia, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Egypt and, of course, Ethiopia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miz...-
1948_dispersal
Eschaton Rule #13:
Thou must be anti-Semitic if one criticizes the Israeli _government_. This is undeniable.
There is no possibility that one could actually be so in favor of preserving the Israeli state as to criticize it for its self-destructive policies.
Cali,
any chance those plump little "earwroms" you talked about on the last thread are maggots, shit for brains?
Munk
Any chance that we could make up if I had the six rotten teeth pulled? I think my breath would smell less bad. It really hurts when you call me stupid. I think that's a sign of true love.
Obama's silence is answer enough. Obama got the message. He will focus on domestic policy and let Israel continue to run our foreign policy. Obama Campaign's new slogan, "Change you can forget about!"
If we would just nuke Iran, Hamas wouldn't have rockets to attack Jews with. You've been told that over and over.
All spoken while NToddler sits back in his chair at Starbucks and enjoys another latte.
So, you're alternating your posts while fighting on the Gaza strip?
heh.
Fucking woo woo.
billy b | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 3:16 pm | #
The point is lost on someone as igorant as you.
Pictures taken by my Grandparents while out in the Middle East during WW2
Billy Bitch must be on the crack again.
Everybody's "Elias" now.
Delusion's a bitch...
Since he has not been certified a winner in the race, Coleman may have to give up his privileges as a senator, including his desk on the floor, his personal office and his right to vote on legislation, according to Democratic aides familiar with the rules.
Well, duh. Oh, and boo fucking hoo.
Obama's silence is answer enough. Obama got the message. He will focus on domestic policy and let Israel continue to run our foreign policy. Obama Campaign's new slogan, "Change you can forget about!"
Bugs | 01.03.09 - 3:19 pm | #
While he stuffs all the gays back in the closet wth Warren.
It is like starving and beating a dog till it snaps and bites you, then you beat it to death because its a bad dog.
The blockade of food and medicine.
And, don't buy that 'Thousands of rockets raining down daily in Israel.' 7 dead in 2 years in Israel from these rockets.
Eschaton Rule #13:
Thou must be anti-Semitic if one criticizes the Israeli _government_. This is undeniable.
Hate to break this to you, Elias, but this is an Intertubes rule, not an Eschaton Rule.
Atrios very rarely comments on Arab-Israeli issues.
However, if you want to see people screaming about anti-semitism if anyone dares to question the Israeli militants' policies, Glennzilla's place is a good place to start.
GO WARREN!
too many trolls this Saturday night
No, we know it's a true Elias post when it's full of smug self-righteousness, or a sexual description that is creepy.
You are an original Elias.
What extraction are they? If you read the Turkish and British census data from pre-WWI and the Palestine Mandate, there were very few Jews in the area. IIRC only about 50,000 about the time of WWI and many of them had moved to Palestine around 1880.
Toonscribe
The bottom line is that Israel is an international construct. It, at least, has the responsibility to listen to the world consensus in this case, which is to cease its murderous onslaught.
If Obama comes in and starts kissing Israels butt like our past few presidents and doesn't demand that they quit being TERRORISTS, then it is official, we were lied to, there will be no CHANGE.
There is no possibility that one could actually be so in favor of preserving the Israeli state as to criticize it for its self-destructive policies.
Elias
Actually, Elias, I fall into that camp. I want Israel to succeed as a nation, free from fear of extermination, but I want it to do so as a good citizen in the Middle East.
There is no doubt in my mind that both sides are currently being run by power-seeking assholes. The trick is going to be to get some power to the people most directly affected by this madness on both sides of the divide enough power to find a way to resolve what at this point look to be impossible questions, but are in fact not.
Jimmy Carter proved that.
This is weird, but I agree with much what both rootless and Ntodd have both said. Oh well.
Why doesn't Israel allow any reporter to go inside the Gaza?! Having war crimes captured on film is generally detrimental to the perpetrators.
Wow, I sure mangled that last post, didn't I.
You are an original Elias.
trifecta
Why, thank you very much, tri.
While we're cleansing things let's get rid of those $70 an hour UAW feather-bedders. Kill. Otherwise the laid-off vermin collect the $70 an hour just the same.
Culture of Truth is pretending to be above the fray, proving he is an ignorant antisemite who loves Israel.
Well, they don't call Israeli's the Masters of Deceit for nothin, doncha know.
The whole world has known it for centuries.
This is weird, but I agree with much what both rootless and Ntodd have both said. Oh well.
I don't think it's weird at all, as I can agree. You can learn a lot here while lurking and not being invested in taking sides in the 'debate.'
Owls, bats, ongers.
Yeah, and I have also learned to go grocery shopping earlier.
Morocco, Tunisia, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Egypt and, of course, Ethiopia.
I did not know that many had come from there. My main area of study with Jewish immigration to the area dealt with the British efforts to control/stop it during the 1930s.
Wow, I sure mangled that last post, didn't I.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
No, you're absolutely right.
Both sides are run by idiots.
But Israeli governments have consistently refused to give the Palestinians the chance to prove that they can be a viable state.
How in the world could anyone exist normally, with clear, objective thinking, when you're being forced to live in inhuman conditions?
The majority of the Palestinian people support a 2 state solution, but will refuse it as long as this apartheid is forced upon them.
The point is lost on someone as igorant as you.
There's no point to anything you post.
Everybody's "Elias" now.
What's that Cali?
You have too many cats. Please eliminate one.
PS I am not a crank
Bring your shoe polish upstairs, folks.
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