I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
She has a way to go to catch up.
Obama '08!!
Well, that was fast..
She CANNOT catch Obama. Just won't happen..
Funny how people throw away their hard-earned money.
Good. Now she can pay off what she owes...
make it 3 millions for Obama
https://donate.barackobama.com/pa...?
source=mainnav
This makes no sense to me. But I'm just a working girl, living in a material world...And she's still in debt.
Plummy, how are you tonight?
She's just a spoiler at this point.
http://tinyurl.com/4veg4b
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS...
FOR JOHN McCAIN!
These two are raising obscene amounts of cash. Where can I get a piece of that action?
So with a beginning 10 million dollar debt, that leaves her 7.5 million dollars in the red.
$2.25M of it loaned from Bubba.
Rachel Maddow just gave Pat Buchanan a slight ass-kicking.
Did her campaign raise that, or Obama's? 
Watching her speech tonight, I realized I was all clenched up - I usually reserve that for Chimpy's speeches.
I really can't stand to watch r listen to her anymore.
Is Obama another Michael Dukakis
No. BHO: Better head, better hat.
Oh, cool, new thread. Question: there's one big bump in McCain's way that all the crowing GOP idiots are avoiding...Can McCain afford not to put Huckabee on his ticket? Does anyone think that the fundies consider the second spot anything other than their absolute non-negotiable due?
And don't we have some very entertaining GOP discomfort to look ahead to?
Speeder T. Hound for president.
"he'll steal your lunch"
Well good for her. We look forward to welcoming her here in Oregon. She can go on the Norml People Tour which has a pre-function in Sweet Home where we will do boilermakers and perhaps never make it to Norml People Nirvana, Eugene. I really, really, welcome the 5mill per year bobblehead corp to the tour. Damn, we're gonna partay.
Plummy, how are you tonight?
Sallyh!
good, very good! even with an ear infection. The weather has been so nice the last 10 days, and Le Canadiens won the first series, moral is very good 
et toi, comment ça va?
YEA!!!!!!!
What? did she write herself a check?
Where can I get a piece of that action?
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 04.22.08 - 11:51 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
The Stephens Group can hook you up, if you're willing to play ball....
DROP OUT HILLARY!!!!
Damn, we're gonna partay.
I'm losing IQ points listening to these commentators. They are going to go night night now.
Is Obama another Michael Dukakis
Is that the stupidest question ever?
Okay, I'll answer that. Yes.
For starters, when the Dems nominated Dukakis, they nominated the only colorless Greek in the world.
well Obama will be getting more from me in the morning.
maybe she will net 1 or 2 delegates in indiana with that money
Thus she should drop out.
ya know both of these folks are power hungry politicians but they are each far superior to any repelican. and i can picture hillary kicking mcsame's ass just as easily as i can picture obama doing it. so i really don't get the whole cult of personality thing the left ( of which i thought i was a member since my first peace march in 1962 ) has about obama. just get one of these turkeys over the finish line!!
if you're willing to play ball....
I don't know what that means.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Komotion is exactly what I was thinking of. I don't know why I can't picture those other places.
Rachel Maddow just gave Pat Buchanan a slight ass-kicking.
res ipsa loquitur
She's gonna deck him before November unless he gets himself fired first.
He's way too excited about the decline in Obama's prospects and he's gonna let something slip real soon.
4lg owes me coke.
The Old Man From Scene 24: i have this for you:
https://donate.barackobama.com/pa...?
source=mainnav
aRRRGH. She doesn't listen.
Dear Vici,
Thanks to you, we won a critically important victory tonight in Pennsylvania. It's a giant step forward that will transform the landscape of the presidential race. And it couldn't have happened without you.
There will be much more to do beginning tomorrow. But tonight, let's just celebrate the fact that you and I are part of a remarkable community of people tough enough, passionate enough, and determined enough to win big when everything is on the line.
Thanks so much for all you do.
Sincerely,
Hillary Rodham Clinton
On July 22, 1948 Gus Hall and 11 other Communist Party leaders were indicted under the Smith Act on charges of "conspiracy to teach and advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government by force and violence." Hall spent eight years in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary.
The U.S. Supreme Court later struck down the Smith Act as unconstitutional.
Gotta go. Goodnight.
ain't it *amazing* how much lint Hillary can pull out of her pockets when she really needs it?
And so thus it moves on...
We'll be around.
To discuss other forms of communication, that don't carry the heavy backhand of Secretary Rice's moments.
The military is paying attention and so am I.
Tell that to your chief, should you approach me again...
...for more proof of what I mean to your families, and your future humanity.
Secularily speaking, of course.
(You may finish what you need to say to God at this point, I am a son of my father.)
Does anyone think that the fundies consider the second spot anything other than their absolute non-negotiable due?
Show 'em a picture of Darwin making out with Nietzsche, and they're in the bag.
Or, there is a new thread.
Snow (D-SC)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks.
So Hillary has donated $2.5 million more to herself?
DROP OUT HILLARY!!!!
Dood, she's not IN your blog eating your milkshake.
What? did she write herself a check?
fourlegsgood
Yes, she's going to use it to pay her debts.
"Clinton campaign sez $2.5 million raised since the nets called the PA race."
So that means obama will have to raise 3 times as much, about 7.5 million, just to lose by 10 points in the next primary. I think he can do it.
Another $100 to obama...
Can McCain afford not to put Huckabee on his ticket? Does anyone think that the fundies consider the second spot anything other than their absolute non-negotiable due?
And don't we have some very entertaining GOP discomfort to look ahead to?
fourmorewars | 04.22.08 - 11:52 pm | #
I've been saying this for weeks -- Huckabee is guaranteed to be McCain's veep.
And having that fundie wackjob within a heartbeat of the nuclear trigger should scare the living shit out of all of us...
.Can McCain afford not to put Huckabee on his ticket?
Huckabee actually got 12% in PA tonight (Paul got 16%).
The Old Man From Scene 24: i have this for you:
yeah... but I want to donate so that my sister in law gets "credit" for rasing the money, and I only have that link on my work email.
On Letterman:
The Bush family, when it comes to Failure We're a Dynasty.
So that means obama will have to raise 3 times as much, about 7.5 million, just to lose by 10 points in the next primary. I think he can do it.
Another $100 to obama...
hadenough
So we have you on record as predicting that HRC will win North Caronlina by ten points?
Low-information donors.
well Obama will be getting more from me in the morning.
He's getting money from me tonight
Phila-I still don't have your email-but I think that the South African workers refusing to unload that boatload of weapons bound for Zimbabwe qualifies as good news, don't you?
Karin Hussein | 04.22.08 - 11:51 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Absotively.
buffoonia, yahoo
evening fellow batsies. i was out tonight and have a few questions
1 - did keith do a regular show, and should i watch it from my dvr or just delete it?
2 - did anybody kick chris matthews' bootie tonight?
I just fucked with Hill's fundraising site and said I'd send them -2,500.
A lot of bounced checks in Hillary's future....
Oh, hell. Now it is THREE fucking Delegates.
::::::: Vote% Dels
Clinton 55 40
Obama 45 37
I'm a low-donating informer.
No, there was no regular Countdown tonight.
well Obama will be getting more from me in the morning.
He's getting money from me tonight
Already done.
So, the people who blast the political process for requiring too much money an "outsider" cannot compete are patting themselves on the back for their candidate for having more money? Come on!
These two are raising obscene amounts of cash. Where can I get a piece of that action?
I'm thinking of running for office myself..
And having that fundie wackjob within a heartbeat of the nuclear trigger should scare the living shit out of all of us
Ahh, something to make the millennialists happy, a nutjob for the end times.
hey!
ABC’s ratings drop after much-criticized debate.
Last week, after ABC News’s much-criticized Democratic debate, Washington Post TV critic Tom Shales declared that “the clear loser is ABC.” The ratings for last week’s evening newscasts are now in, and it appears that Shales was correct: “NBC beat ABC by over 600,000 viewers last week — an unusually wide margin for the dueling newscasts.” Huffington Post’s Rachel Sklar notes that “one reason for that wider-than-usual gap” is that “on Friday, NBC beat ABC by 1.1 million viewers — a practically unheard of margin for an otherwise random Friday night.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04...ticized-debate/
I've been saying this for weeks -- Huckabee is guaranteed to be McCain's veep.
And having that fundie wackjob within a heartbeat of the nuclear trigger should scare the living shit out of all of us...
steve hussein simels | Homepage | 04.22.08 - 11:56 pm | #
If it's as airtight as you think it is, that ruins my scenario, but I think McCain, AND most of the bigwigs, are way scared of putting Huckabee on.
And their agonized ruminations about it are gonna set off some fireworks in the days leading up to their convention, started by the prideful fundamentalists wackjobs.
Huckabee has been all over the tv shows lately.
Assuming the polling is correct that Obama's base is primarily African American and "youth", and HRC's is primarily white male, older women, which base is more likely to vote for McCane?
Man, this is beautiful. Let this thing go all the way do Denver. Break down the Super Duper Delegates, one by one. Hey Super Dupers, we've got room on the bus thru Oregon. See the Deer Hunters. See the Fishermen who have no Fish. See the Stinkiest of Hippies. See Tonya Harding...pow zam boom zooowwwwieee! Tweety, you can camp out in my Suburban Soccer Mom Backyard. Don't Worry.....
weeeeeee
won't hurt you.
Yes, she's going to use it to pay her debts.
so she's like Citibank.
thanks, DJ
sallyh - how are things going for you these days? is your granddaughter doing well?
These two are raising obscene amounts of cash. Where can I get a piece of that action?
Snow (D-SC)
Sign right here...
all this for 3 FUCKING DELEGATES?
Rachel mentions Atrios!
Rachel with the F.U. callout!
Oh, swoon.
Atrios! Rachel Maddow just gave you a shoutout!
maddow just quoted atrios on the friedman unit
HOLY SHIT. Rachael Maddow just called out Atrios.
Cool.
Rachael Maddow shouts out to A-man!
Hey, Rachel's talking about the Friedman unit!
Ooh, Atrios shoutout! Rachel is so my girlcrush...
Rachel just referenced Atrios coining the term "Friedman Unit."
We win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rachel just called out Atrios!
ATIOS just got shouted on MSNBC!!!!
Whoa! Rachel name checks Atrios on the Friedman Unit!
I wonder how much of Hill's $2.5M was 'raised'....
Yesterday:
Wolfson: Mr X, can we count on you for $1000?
Mr X: I'll let you know after PA.
Today:
Wolfson: We won! Put Mr X down for $1000....
all this for 3 FUCKING DELEGATES?
As I understand it, the Democrats don't let the delegates actually fuck.
wonder if anyone noticed
ha, rachel mentions atrios... ha aha
Cokes all around....
I get the distinct impression that Rachel mentioned Atrios.
Correct me if I'm wrong.....
Rachel Maddow just gave Atrios a shout out on MSNBC. Pretty cool.
HOLY SHIT. Rachael Maddow just called out Atrios.
And he voted for Kodos.
And she's right: there's not going to be a decisive vote. It's always going to be 'the next primary' until the superdelegates stop sitting on their hands.
Billary bitch-slaps Messiah Obama all over the state of PA--10% win after Messiah outspends her 3-1...
10:56 cst if anyone tivo'd it
Atrios is OURS, kapitch Rachel?
Damn, and I changed the channel
which base is more likely to vote for McCane?
Elias
The really stupid one
Thank G-D she didn't give out the url. It's too damn crowded here already on a primary night.
I heard somewhere Rachel mentioned Atrios. Is this true?
I get the distinct impression that Rachel mentioned Atrios.
Which means she loves me.
Clinton 55 40
Obama 45 37
PA has 188 delegates
TEBB, things are better. My grandbaby is great. Mlle's husband has her in a nice sober living home (she asked and he said yes, and I'll pay for it.) They seem to be getting along very well. I saw Mlle for a short time Friday.
Monsieur and I are doing better, which is encouraging.
Ha, It occurs to me that I am a political junkie...
Atrios officially gets TV credit for the Friedman Unit.
Congratulations...
YEAH RACHEL!! WOOHOO!!
Most of the superdelegates are House members, correct?
Rachel Maddow just mentioned Atrios on MSNBC... We have a famous blog host now.
Rachel Maddow just increased her fanbase by 164 visitors online.
¡Olé for the F.U.!
"So we have you on record as predicting that HRC will win North Caronlina by ten points?
BlueinColorado"
That's what ya call a stretch but I’ll stretch. We'll see. Who would have predicted Hillary would raise $2.5 million in a couple hours [reportedly 80% new donors]? Indiana the same day as NC? Very doable.
Ummm.....did somebody mention Atrios?
Rachel, Rachel, when you gonna say "Chicken Caesar and his Assclown Posse" or "Butt-Gas Caliope"?
Duncan gets the Atrios shout out from Rachel Maddow on the Friedman Unit on MSNBC. And before midnite to boot!
Ha, It occurs to me that I am a political junkie...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
The best kind!
Ha, It occurs to me that I am a political junkie...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
No Fuckin Way!
love you
(04-21) 17:30 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- More than 120 veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq commit suicide every week while the government stalls in granting returning troops the mental health treatment and benefits to which they are entitled, veterans advocates told a federal judge Monday in San Francisco.
120 people every week?
Sallyh: those are good news. More soon i'm sure
These two are raising obscene amounts of cash. Where can I get a piece of that action?
I'm thinking of running for office myself..
Duane V, Playing Snood
As am I. Only against an Exxon funded douchebag.
I will need lots of cash.
If the Supers overturn The People:
I throw down:
Obama/Ventura I 08
This just in:
Rachel Maddow recognized Atrios as the inventor of the "Friedman Unit."
Film at 11:00.
Fuck. Now that Atrios is famous, we better stop using profanity. Shit.
Most of the superdelegates are House members, correct? - res ipsa loquitur
All the Democratic ones, likewise Dem Senators. Neeener neener on Holy Joe Blow Job.
Indiana the same day as NC? Very doable.
hadenough
Talk about drinking the Kool-aid.
Did Rachel mention me?
all this for 3 FUCKING DELEGATES?
As I understand it, the Democrats don't let the delegates actually fuck.
She can blow me.
Fuck. Now that Atrios is famous, we better stop using profanity. Shit.
Richard
Fuck no.
Billary bitch-slaps Messiah Obama all over the state of PA--10% win after Messiah outspends her 3-1...
Lubyanka | 04.23.08 - 12:02 am | #
The thing I can't figure is how she blew her twenty % lead by going negative.
Excuse me, my head is exploding.
Most of the superdelegates are House members, correct?
Yeah, according to Wikipedia there are about 800 unpledged delegates, so the House would be a significant chunk of that. Not a majority, but the biggest bloc?
Super delegates are House members and Senators, and governors and party big wigs and poobahs.
actually, the Friedman Unit has been in Wiki for a while now. And yes, credited to our Atrios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fri...i/
Friedman_Unit
I still don't understand, if Dean works out a negotiation on Michigan and Florida by June, how Clinton can use the nuclear option.
Okay, Atrios: 'fess up.
You arranged that with Rachel, just to ensure that no-one will ever delete the F.U. from Wikipedia, didn't you?
G'night, all.
I'll be 59 years old in about 7-1/2 hours, and I need to get ready!
This ongoing primary battle is tedious and tiring, but we're learning a lot about what to do, what not to do, and how to wrest power back from the ReThugs on local, state, and national levels.
So, this whole mess may be worth it, in the long run.
I am tired of the pundits and the campaign advisors, though. More than annoying and unhelpful.
More about what we've learned tomorrow -- no doubt at the end of a dead thread, as usual.
Love you all. Except the trolls.
Hello. I heard this where Friedman units come from?
I'd like to place an order for 2.5 million.
Thanks.
I'm thinking of running for office myself.
I'm thinking of biking for office.
Check out the unit on that Friedman.
Dowd throws a rod in her latest screed.
(moue)
I think, and let me preface that with I'm not 100% sure, Westmoreland is Gomez' county. He's in Monroeville.
Nite, Soprano.
sallyh - i am so glad to hear that the grandbaby is well and your daughter has a good place to stay. i hope you know that you have a whole family here at eschaton rooting for you and ready to support you when you need it.
Check out the unit on that Friedman.
Suck.on.this.
The Friedman Unit - coined on my birthday. Fact.
bonne nuit Soprano
Now if Rachel would only credit me as the author of the whole "would you please just blow me already, okay?" thing.
120 people every week?
Apostate
more than 6200 in 2007.
Viet Nam vets 62K vs. 58K KIA.
"A guy named Atrios.."
all the lesbians love Atrios
Huckabee has been all over the tv shows lately.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I haven't been paying attention. Wasn't there something last week about some big announcement he's planning to make?
Did he make it?
.
I still don't understand, if Dean works out a negotiation on Michigan and Florida by June, how Clinton can use the nuclear option.
Apostate
Hillary would have to agree to it. Or she can refuse to agree and try to armtwist the credentials committe to seat them as is.
Ten points is a blowout. A common term for a 10 pt win is a blowout. Have I heard any talkinghead use the term upon seeing its unfolding before them tonight? Nope.
It falls to me: it's a blowout.
-
She can blow me.
Hey, that's between you and your party.
I still don't understand, if Dean works out a negotiation on Michigan and Florida by June, how Clinton can use the nuclear option.
Apostate
That's one huge fucking "If".
The Friedman Unit - coined on my birthday. Fact.
Need a reference for that.
do you think Rachel reads...the threads?
(gulp)
she probably saw NTodd's pink dildo...
I believe this campaign will be decided within 1/2 a Friedman Unit!
Our Man Atrios
In Like Atrios
Atrios Is Forever
Now if Rachel would only credit me as the author of the whole "would you please just blow me already, okay?" thing.
steve hussein simels | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:09 am | # [kill]
I'll go to my grave believing that "concern troll" is my phrase.
Fineman: "Hillary got the Dear Hunter vote"
Night, all
I am leaving to make it safe.
Peace.
Clinton's not even going to try to compete in NC. It's going to be another of the states-that-don't-count: too black, too upscale in the Triangle, too many hippies out west, all the white guys with moustaches are Republicans, it doesn't matter in the general election, etc. ad nauseam.
Instead, she'll do another all-in bet on Indiana.
Take that to the bank, hadenough.
So now it's at 8%...hmmmm
WalterNeff, May 21, if I recall correctly?
Hillary is now winning by 6 percent
120 people every week?
Yeah, there's a post about it here:
http://www.paxamericana.net/2008...-are-
peopl.html
[mumble, mumble, why am I doing NTodd's blogwhoring for him]
Ten points is a blowout. A common term for a 10 pt win is a blowout. Have I heard any talkinghead use the term upon seeing its unfolding before them tonight? Nope.
It falls to me: it's a blowout.
-
QuentinCompson Downscale Dem
A) what's the delegate count now?
B) what happens in North Carolina and Indiana and Oregon?
Blowout, scmo-out. Hillary has to run so fast just to catch up she can't do it. 2.5 mil? Feh. How many ads will that buy in the next two races?
Hillary would have to agree to it. Or she can refuse to agree and try to armtwist the credentials committe to seat them as is.
Or we could go nuclear and make it clear we're leaving the party if they don't put a stop to this shit.
Like now.
It falls to me: it's a blowout.
-
QuentinCompson Downscale Dem
Pat Buchanan called it a blowout. Glad to be in agreement with him?
i cAn haz nominEE now?
-
well, with 95% in, CNN gives HRC all of six delegates.
congrats.
Damn, Fineman's hair looks he colored it with shoe polish.
Steve Simels, you were so afraid Krugman was going to recognize you as the guy who said "blow me" to the trolls.
And where are my charoses? I asked nicely the first time.
Peace.
DWD
bonne nuit. a Stanley Cup final with Montréal and Detroit would be sweet
But on my way out of the door let me say this. That little bit a couple of threads ago really does bug me. I get accused of saying something I did not say. I take the time and effort to answer. And what do I get for my trouble? Not even the decency of an answer.
And the next time I am online, I will get the same shit. Then I complain about it and I am a whiner.
Sheesh
Night, all.
she probably saw NTodd's pink dildo...
This one? She'll love it.
It falls to me: it's a blowout.
-
QuentinCompson Downscale Dem
A net gain of 3 to 6 delegates is a blowout? You must be a fisherman.
I talked with one female veteran of the Iraq war. She said that there are no suitable services for her. She was offered a therapy group for people who have domestic violence problems. That's not helpful for someone who needs to talk about the war.
I'll go to my grave believing that "concern troll" is my phrase.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Well, I can claim "eatage" and "stompage"
top that motherfuckers
Ten points is a blowout. A common term for a 10 pt win is a blowout. Have I heard any talkinghead use the term upon seeing its unfolding before them tonight? Nope.
It falls to me: it's a blowout.
-
QuentinCompson Downscale Dem
Not if you were up twenty points a week ago....
4Legs, how r gurrlz?
I wants 2 kno teh importnt stuf.
Hillary would have to agree to it. Or she can refuse to agree and try to armtwist the credentials committe to seat them as is.
Ah. I don't think she has the institutional support left inside the party to pull that off, though. I hope Dean is serious when he says that he wants to settle the Michigan and Florida business by June.
[mumble, mumble, why am I doing NTodd's blogwhoring for him]
I'm a superdelegater?
"a Stanley Cup final with Montréal and Detroit would be sweet "
No, San Jose and Pittsburgh. And Obama.
This one? She'll love it.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
exactly that one.
don't you have a new nice picture of Sam instead?
I'm out.
HRC sucks utterly.
You're all teh best, though.
xxx...
Just shoot me. I thought I was watching live tv when I posted that 8% thing. Jesus.
4Legs, you have also been credited with Whiny Ass Titty Baby.
I coined the phrase "Eli must be stopped."
Or we could go nuclear and make it clear we're leaving the party if they don't put a stop to this shit.
Like now.
fourlegsgood, on the fringe | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:12 am | # [kill]
They're not gonna believe that, I don't think. Unless we get IRV, we're always gonna be over a barrel.
well, with 95% in, CNN gives HRC all of six delegates.
congrats.
hey, it's all about her
Lest we forget what's on the line in this election:
April 22, 2008
Tuesday: 5 GIs, 56 Iraqis Killed; 183 Iraqis Wounded
At least 56 Iraqis were killed and 183 more were wounded in attacks across Iraq. Many of the wounded died either in Sadr City or during one of several significant bombings. Also, five U.S. servicemembers were killed in separate incidents, and two top aides to Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani died as well.
http://www.antiwar.com/updates/?
...articleid=12726
Tweety looks even pastier than usual.
No, San Jose and Pittsburgh. And Obama.
whalleywhat
yeah, right....
is this repeat msnbc segment the place where buchanan called maddow a marxist?
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...2008/04/
96.html
96% counted
all the lesbians love Atrios
virgotex, biter
I love all the lesbians!
Well, okay, not ALL the lesbians..Many of them!!
In fact, I think I am one..
I'll go to my grave believing that "concern troll" is my phrase.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
I'm gong with "The Flintstones was not a documentary" from back in my Smirkingchimp postings.
She was offered a therapy group for people who have domestic violence problems. That's not helpful for someone who needs to talk about the war.
Echidne
Shit. It figures. Why would anybody expect the fucking Bush assministration to think about the fact that women probably have different post traumatic stress experience than men?
FUCK!!!!
Lest we forget what's on the line in this election:
April 22, 2008
Tuesday: 5 GIs, 56 Iraqis Killed; 183 Iraqis Wounded
I never think about this election without thinking of that.
That's why I don't support Hillary Lieberman Clinton.
Lest we forget what's on the line in this election:
Yes. Judgment counts.
Well, I pushed the usage of "Tee Vee."
So there.
(Wow. I gotta get a life!)
is this repeat msnbc segment the place where buchanan called maddow a marxist?
Henry Flower, boxy blazered
Yep!
I coined the term Unitary Troll Theory.
well, with 95% in, CNN gives HRC all of six delegates.
congrats.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
PA has 187 total delegates, 158 determined directly by the primary, and 29 supers.
CNN's only called 98 of 'em.
I coined the phrase "Fuck".
But no one is willing to believe me.
They're not gonna believe that, I don't think. Unless we get IRV, we're always gonna be over a barrel.
I'm not over a barrel.
I live in the worst fucking state in the union. I don't have kids, I can't get pregnant, I'm too old to draft, I already have health insurance and a rock solid safe job..
they can fucking blow me.
I will not vote for her
I will not contribute one thin dime to her or anyone that backed her
Steve Simels, you were so afraid Krugman was going to recognize you as the guy who said "blow me" to the trolls.
And where are my charoses? I asked nicely the first time.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 04.23.08 - 12:12 am | #
Well, I have the hots for Rachel. Not so much for Krugman.
But in any case, your charoses -- from Zabars, no less -- are on the FedEx shuttle on their way to you, babe.
I'm gong with "The Flintstones was not a documentary" from back in my Smirkingchimp postings.
1Watt, Hermit | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:15 am | # [kill]
Watch out...you're gonna have Ben Stein on your case.
The Grey Lady unendorses Clinton?
The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it.
Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.
If nothing else, self interest should push her in that direction. Mrs. Clinton did not get the big win in Pennsylvania that she needed to challenge the calculus of the Democratic race....
It is getting to be time for the superdelegates to do what the Democrats had in mind with they created superdelegates: settle a bloody race that cannot be won at the ballot box. Mrs. Clinton once had a big lead among the party elders, but has been steadily losing it, in large part because of her negative campaign. If she is ever to have a hope of persuading these most loyal of Democrats to come back to her side, let alone win over the larger body of voters, she has to call off the dogs.
Now, lots of fun.
Simels is right.
The convention is going to get violent and ugly.
We've been WARNED about how aggressive the Obama Delegates are.
They have evil partners:
MoveOn, Code Pink and the Democratic Base.
Be Warned.
They might tickle the Clinton delegates to death.
96% in, 55-45.
We'll see about the delegate count when all the rats are killed - Clinton has some underestimated strength I think with the 200,000+ margin.
-
Shit. It figures. Why would anybody expect the fucking Bush assministration to think about the fact that women probably have different post traumatic stress experience than men?
Could it be all the rape? I mean, in addition to everything else...
Hey Phila, remember that coffee place on Fillmore near Jack's Record Cellar that was called Ground Zero? I used to hang out in there because I was in lust with the red haired girl that worked there.
I live in the worst fucking state in the union. I don't have kids, I can't get pregnant, I'm too old to draft, I already have health insurance and a rock solid safe job..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
At least you're not bitter.
Lest we forget what's on the line in this election:
April 22, 2008
Tuesday: 5 GIs, 56 Iraqis Killed; 183 Iraqis Wounded
I never think about this election without thinking of that.
That's why I don't support Hillary Lieberman Clinton.
Yep, and to think she fucking voted for the war so she could position herself as "tough on terra" for her run for the presidency.
Fuck her.
Oops, not Fillmore, Lower Haight.
At least you're not bitter.
Elias
fuck off you pencil dicked little asshole
Oh noes! an eeevil kitteh plot!
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/2...itteh-
plot.html
don't you have a new nice picture of Sam instead?
No, the douchebag is outside. I've left the backdoor open for an entire week, so all three catz just come and go as they please...
Yep, and to think she fucking voted for the war so she could position herself as "tough on terra" for her run for the presidency.
And doubled down with her brand new psychotic obsession with "obliterating" Iran.
I will not contribute one thin dime to her or anyone that backed her
fourlegsgood, on the fringe | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:16 am | # [kill][hide comment
Fair enough. I'm just saying, most people are not gonna make good on that threat. I could claim I was going to, but in the end I'd knuckle under and vote against McCain.
and I'm withholding kittehs
That's one huge fucking "If".
Superdelecrapjalicious expialadocious
That's it. I'm pulling a Rip Van Winkle. Wake me up when we have a Dem nominee.
TOW, cranky and tired
fuck off you pencil dicked little asshole
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I see why you're single.
And doubled down with her brand new psychotic obsession with "obliterating" Iran.
I don't recall get that. Doesn't she know Israel has its own nuclear deterrent?
MSNBC heads are talking about committed delegates now. There was a post at DKos about Obama delegates in TX getting letters from Clinton delegates trying to sway them to switch sides.
So, as she has pointed out, those delegate figures aren't fixed, either.
.
I'll vote against McCain, but HRC will lose Colorado and weaken Udall. So he'd be getting my money.
But after NC and OR, this tide will turn again.
Yep, and to think she fucking voted for the war so she could position herself as "tough on terra" for her run for the presidency.
Fuck her.
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
If (please g*d, no) she is the nominee it will not be a pleasant spectacle watching her trying to position herself to the right of John McCain on national security issues.
No, the douchebag is outside. I've left the backdoor open for an entire week, so all three catz just come and go as they please...
NTodd,
well after the rough winter we just had, it's more than okay.
Fair enough. I'm just saying, most people are not gonna make good on that threat. I could claim I was going to, but in the end I'd knuckle under and vote against McCain.
You know what?
peeps wanna choose a party hack and continue to support the candidate of the party apparatus and the lobbyists?
be my fucking guest
and I'm withholding kittehs
even from us who are pro-BO?
no plush....
well, no external plush. I gots lotza plush at home.
I coined, "Give 'em Head Harry"
And, "Vagina Voter"..
Hey Phila, remember that coffee place on Fillmore near Jack's Record Cellar that was called Ground Zero? I used to hang out in there because I was in lust with the red haired girl that worked there.
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:18 am | # [kill][hide comment]
On Haight and Scott, IIRC. Yeah.
Never went in there much, but I know people who did...
Fair enough. I'm just saying, most people are not gonna make good on that threat. I could claim I was going to, but in the end I'd knuckle under and vote against McCain.
Phila
Exactly. I used to say that, but really, when the rubber hits the pavement, I'll support the Democratic candidate.
Even if s/he isn't my favorite.
and I'm withholding kittehs
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
NOES!!!
Teh kittehs iz ur civic dutee.....
I talked with one female veteran of the Iraq war. She said that there are no suitable services for her.
It's the VA, an organization that seems to have as it's only organizational goals, to be self perpetuating.
Actually helping veterans?
Not very much.
I coined the phrase, "FUCK ME NOW, REGGIE!"
fourlegs, i deserve kittehs, at least email them to me.
I'm not going to fret.
Given the Unimportant states remaining such as Oregon, Obama will win the popular and Normal People delegate count. If the Supers are willing to overturn this, we no longer have a party. It's 2000 SCOTUS all over again. Will not stand. We'll be pleasant about it as we form a new party, rather than stoop to pitchforks.
P.T. Barnum would be proud.
MSNBC heads are talking about committed delegates now. There was a post at DKos about Obama delegates in TX getting letters from Clinton delegates trying to sway them to switch sides.
So, as she has pointed out, those delegate figures aren't fixed, either.
If any texas delegates try to switch sides I am going to personally look them up and put my boot up their ass
"Indiana the same day as NC? Very doable.
hadenough
Talk about drinking the Kool-aid.
DJ"
A little deprogramming session for ya:
2008 Indiana Democratic Presidential Primary
SurveyUSA 4/11-13/08
Clinton Obama
55 39
http://www.pollster.com/08-IN-De...res-
Primary.php
I know marshall keeps saying SurveyUSA suxs. And then of course SurveyUSA keeps nailing it just like they did today. So put the kool aid you'll be fine.
i find this county-by-county map of election results in 2004 really fascinating. please ignore the ranting and rove-ing that follows it...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/133087
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I'm just saying, most people are not gonna make good on that threat. I could claim I was going to, but in the end I'd knuckle under and vote against McCain.
Eh, I live in a read state, my vote for a Democrat, or Hillary McCain Lite, would just get thrown away by the Electoral College anyway.
I don't have kids, I can't get pregnant, I'm too old to draft, I already have health insurance and a rock solid safe job.
I can haz a rock solid safe job?
Will not stand. We'll be pleasant about it as we form a new party, rather than stoop to pitchforks.
And why the fuck should we be pleasant about it?
After all, Democracy is all about the money.
93% reporting, Hillary with a 8 pt. lead. Can't be enough to add to the delegate count.
peeps wanna choose a party hack and continue to support the candidate of the party apparatus and the lobbyists?
be my fucking guest
fourlegsgood, on the fringe | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:21 am | # [kill]
It's not a matter of "wanting" to choose her. I want the fucking global gag rule lifted, is what I want. Among other things.
hadenough | 04.23.08 - 12:22 am
Dunce. Of course Sen. Clinton is ahead in Indiana. But Sen. Obama is ahead in North Carolina.
Hokay, I must go hunt the elusive Sangría.
Just remember that we're all going to need each other, pretty soon. Remember who the real target is, and get ready to beat Johnny Walnuts at the polls like a threadbare rug come November, no?*
*[The construction "blah, blah, blah , no?" is a copyright of GatoNegroInc, and is brought to you by Sangría™]
[~"Sangría™, what can't it make better?"]
Andrew Sullivan, as whiny, petulant and light-in-the-loafers as ever:
"It was indeed in the end about smearing and labeling Obama as a far-left, atheist, elite, pansy Godless snob fraud."
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/
Andy, if PA voters thought Messiah GodDamnAmerica Obama weren't all those things, he'd have won, having spent beaucoup $$ on propaganda, sweetheart...
The Clintons say a lot of things that turn out to not be true.
bonne nuit all
fuck off you pencil dicked little asshole
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
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I see why you're single.
Elias | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:20 am | #
I'm single, too. That is an ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with anything pertinent. You are a troll, and fuck off.
Thanks FSM we have an upstanding and honest true blooded American such as John McCain to take over the White House if all of the Anti-Hillary and/or Anti-Obama people all follow through on their threats to either sit out the election or vote for McCain.
He will be a wonderful President.
Vicki and Phila,
Love you but if the Supers overturn the popular and Normal People delegate count, I'm off to a new party. Might delay my activity to get the right-moderate clinton (rather than radical right mcsame) but I say it now. After that. The end.
Actually helping veterans?
Not very much.
Doug
Actually, no. There are studies showing their outcomes are much, much better than the country as a whole...at least it was true before this bloody fuckup of a war.
Their problem is they've been starved of the resources they need for the extra burdens of this war.
If any texas delegates try to switch sides I am going to personally look them up and put my boot up their ass
Super delegates might switch, but the people who sign up to be delegates are the most committed supporters, the CLinton people are wasting their time, but it shows how desperate they are.
It's not a matter of "wanting" to choose her. I want the fucking global gag rule lifted, is what I want. Among other things.
Sorry, not ranting at you.
But the reason they continue to pull this shit is because they think we're all going to be good little soldiers and fall in line.
No more. I'm done.
Dunce. Of course Sen. Clinton is ahead in Indiana. But Sen. Obama is ahead in North Carolina.
DJ | 0
That poll is ten days old and an outlier. Most polls show them tied in IN, and several with Obama ahead.
I coined the phrase, "FUCK ME NOW, REGGIE!"
I see a line of t-shirts..
4Legs, if I give you strawberry shortcake, will you not withhold kitties?
Pretty please, with extra whipped cream on top?
w marshall keeps saying SurveyUSA suxs. And then of course SurveyUSA keeps nailing it just like they did today.
They were showing Clinton leads in the teens for weeks, weren't they? Like 14-18 percent just last week.
well, unless the vote in Texas looks like it's going to be close, I can't blame 4lg for refusing to vote for her. Why bother holding your nose?
I would a prefer a popular vote system, but the winner-take-all electoral system does give those of us in very red or very blue states the freedom to vote our consciences now and then.
David (Austin Tx), ya spake the troooth
Andrew Sullivan, as whiny, petulant and light-in-the-loafers as ever:
Lubyanka | 04.23.08 - 12:23 am | #
You know, I find it absolutely incomprehensible that anybody thinks I'm homophobic.
And why the fuck should we be pleasant about it?
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
smile in their face
stab
just as we've been trained by hrc
Andrew Sullivan, as whiny, petulant and light-in-the-loafers as ever
*slowly removes glasses*
My God... what are you implying here?
peeps wanna choose a party hack and continue to support the candidate of the party apparatus and the lobbyists?
be my fucking guest
fourlegsgood, on the fringe | Homepage
not a nice way to talk about obama
http://thehill.com/leading-the-n...2007-12-
20.html
IN-Pres (D)
Apr 18 SurveyUSA Obama 50%, Clinton 45%
If any texas delegates try to switch sides I am going to personally look them up and put my boot up their ass
If she starts with that bullshit again, there will be more than one boot going up an ass. I'm not in Texas but I think most people find that completely unacceptable behavior.
And I was sitting here, trying to be sanguine about it all.
Actually, no. There are studies showing their outcomes are much, much better than the country as a whole...at least it was true before this bloody fuckup of a war.
Their problem is they've been starved of the resources they need for the extra burdens of this war.
Yes. There are reasons who PTSD is going to be much higher after this war than the previous ones. You can get it from that constant being-on-guard-in-case-someone-bombs-you 24/7/365. And almost all the military in Iraq lives under those conditions.
Love you but if the Supers overturn the popular and Normal People delegate count, I'm off to a new party. Might delay my activity to get the right-moderate clinton (rather than radical right mcsame) but I say it now. After that. The end.
ErinPDX | 04.23.08 - 12:24 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Well, I've never been a registered as a Dem ever, so I have no quarrel with that. I was initially registered as a Commie (mainly out of spite), and am currently a Green (ditto).
It all boils down to IRV, for me.
the Supers overturn the popular and Normal People delegate count
i regard this as an utter impossibility
the superdelegates are politicians, and politicians are not known for commiting political suicide by doing something that does them absolutely no personal good
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Can't be enough to add to the delegate count.
My understanding is that the best case scenario for Clinton is +20. It could well be only half that. Another primary down, and the situation is the same as it has been for months.
I'm single, too. That is an ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with anything pertinent. You are a troll, and fuck off.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
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The difference between you and her is that you are actually civil - most of the time. Like, not now.
She, unfortunately, can't separate her political views from normal human interaction. If you don't agree with her, you're persona non grata.
We'll be pleasant about it as we form a new party, rather than stoop to pitchforks.
Sigh.
I'm watching Hillary's thank you Pennsylvania speech, and I'm having flashbacks to Andy Griffith as Lonesome Rhodes in A FACE IN THE CROWD.
And since she couldn't possibly be as despicable as that fictional character I better go to bed.
I stopped reading this thread at the person who claimed to go to Hillary's website and make a fake donation. Ha-Ha! that's so terribly amusing. terribly. what are you, a frat boy? except you have a girls name and claim to heart al gore. lady, sorry to say you're creepy. that's so poor loser and probably the bottom of the obamabot barrel and that's about as low as you can go.
Argh! First PA then Xbox Live crapping out.
*stream of very obscene words*
my currently fave rave and by far most complete and up to date poll roundup here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...olls/
index.html
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Can't be enough to add to the delegate count.
My understanding is that the best case scenario for Clinton is +20. It could well be only half that. Another primary down, and the situation is the same as it has been for months.
The Old Man From Scene 24
As Matt Stoller put it, this was the most annoying possible result.
Now who on earth would say SurveyUSA sucks?
IN-Pres (D)
Apr 18 SurveyUSA
Obama 50%, Clinton 45%
IN-Pres (D)
Apr 14 SurveyUSA
Clinton 55%, Obama 39%
SurveyUSA sucks. Got another explanation?
But the reason they continue to pull this shit is because they think we're all going to be good little soldiers and fall in line.
You're right of course.
No more. I'm done.
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
I can't go this far. This guarantees us a McShame preidency.
That's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Super delegates might switch,
They had better not.
if the superdelegates overturn this the party will be broken forever
U think she can win without the black vote or the youth vote? dream on
I can't go this far. This guarantees us a McShame preidency.
That's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
flory | 04.23.08 - 12:29 am | #
You know what? I no longer care.
I can't go this far. This guarantees us a McShame preidency.
4LG, David, virgo, I and many others have no say in the general election for president.
John McFuckface wins Texas no matter who we vote for.
I'm still voting for the Dem nominee, even if they nominate the boil on Rush Limbaugh's ass.
U think she can win without the black vote or the youth vote? dream on
The youth vote is not an absolute, in terms of turnout. The African-American vote is more so. If Hillary thinks that she can win without the African-American vote, her advisors are more stupid than I had imagined.
well, unless the vote in Texas looks like it's going to be close, I can't blame 4lg for refusing to vote for her.
Karin Hussein | 04.23.08 - 12:26 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Depends if you trust any of the projections or results. I tend not to.
Running the slightest risk of helping McCain to get elected is not an act of conscience as I see it. He's batshit crazy, and seriously dangerous.
Even with her "blowout" tonight, Hillary is still trailing Obama by 138 delegates (according to CNN).
I don't think it's time dust off the crown just yet.
All academic mental masterbation.
Obama won long ago.
Let it go to convention. Obama delegates are merciless, strong, what-did-hrc-call-them?
It's all good.
that's so poor loser and probably the bottom of the obamabot barrel and that's about as low as you can go.
It was snark. Regardless, doesn't matter. If Hillary is the candidate, I won't send her a dime because I don't agree with her votes on Iraq, and on AUMF. She's a rotten candidate: wooden, programmed, and a liar.
She, unfortunately, can't separate her political views from normal human interaction. If you don't agree with her, you're persona non grata.
Elias
I don't think what you do around here can very often be described as "normal human interaction."
Occasionally, but not reliably.
Dean's having a little trouble getting that spork to work, eh NTodd?
The good news it's clear now what may be wrong with the Obama campaign
and they have enough time and money to fix it. He needs a more " family friendly" image-he needs to be seen onstage with more family members...he has to soften his image with women and children...blah blah blah
He is such a good man...and that shines through.
It was a tough night for me to get through because I no longer see the Clintons as Democrats.
I see them as lying crooks. She voted for the war and promoted it.
I can't forgive that.
It's also depressing that in 1968 Hillary was still a Republican. So all her talk about RFK was just made up. It makes me sick.
"That poll is ten days old and an outlier. Most polls show them tied in IN, and several with Obama ahead.
BlueinColorado"
Nine days old and from probably the most accurate pollster this season. And after Hillary’s blow out win today add a few points. And ya NC is a stretch.
bottom of the obamabot barrel and that's about as low as you can go.
I see. And why should the lowest of the low should vote for Hillary McCain in November if by some miracle she is the nominee?
I stopped reading this thread at the person who claimed to go to Hillary's website and make a fake donation.
And you're still here?
CO-Pres
Apr 21 Rasmussen Obama (D) 46%, McCain (R) 43%
CO-Pres
Apr 21 Rasmussen McCain (R) 50%, Clinton (D) 36%
My vote counts if Obama is the nominee. If it's Clinton, I'll vote for Udall and write in Obama
You know what? I no longer care.
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
I want my country back.
Even a Clinton preznitcy, with a sufficiently progressive Congress, gets me partway there.
There's no hope with McStain.
the superdelegates are politicians, and politicians are not known for commiting political suicide by doing something that does them absolutely no personal good
Thank you..you reminded me these people are not weather vanes.
The talk from the Clinton camp about flipping pledged delegates just makes me nuts. It's smug beyond belief..not to mention destructive.
It's also depressing that in 1968 Hillary was still a Republican. So all her talk about RFK was just made up.
Whatever.
if the superdelegates overturn this the party will be broken forever
U think she can win without the black vote or the youth vote? dream on
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You're letting your hatred overwhelm you.
What you're saying is that Obama's base is less likely to vote for Hillary.
But is that really likely? Or is it more likely that a disgruntled Hillary base would vote for McCane?
I think the latter.
John McFuckface wins Texas no matter who we vote for.
Yeah. I guess a Dem vote for preznit isn't exactly critical in your corner of the world.
I see. And why should the lowest of the low should vote for Hillary McCain in November if by some miracle she is the nominee?
The Old Man From Scene 24
The SCOTUS. And that's about the only reason I can think of.
I want my country back.
Even a Clinton preznitcy, with a sufficiently progressive Congress, gets me partway there.
Yup. Babysteps.
'course, we need to do more individually and collectively as citizen sovereigns to keep pressure on the WH and Congress. But that's hard. Hard work.
You know what? I no longer care.
i really don't know what to say about that
.
Running the slightest risk of helping McCain to get elected is not an act of conscience as I see it. He's batshit crazy, and seriously dangerous.
I think she is too
My understanding is that the best case scenario for Clinton is +20. It could well be only half that. Another primary down, and the situation is the same as it has been for months.
The Old Man From Scene 24
the predictions I saw say +6.
Time to put this rather unpleasant day out with the trash.
Nite.
The highlight of my life is yet to come: Clenis will wag his finger at me! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
the predictions I saw say +6.
And our long national nightmare continues.
if the superdelegates overturn this the party will be broken forever
U think she can win without the black vote or the youth vote? dream on
Oh I agree, the only switches we've seen have been from Clinton to Obama, but my point was that the Super Delegates are politicians, the regular Delegates are activists for their candidate.
The Supers have their fingers in the air, the regulars are committed. Only in Bosnia sniper fantasy land is this "blow out" a reason to switch.
You know what? I no longer care.
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
The system works!
Even a Clinton preznitcy, with a sufficiently progressive Congress, gets me partway there.
U will still have lobbyist writing legislation and we will have assholes like terry mcauliffe running the party.
fuck that
Even a Clinton preznitcy, with a sufficiently progressive Congress, gets me partway there.
Any bets on hrc getting to like that unitary executive theory, if by some chance she's the executive?
Ummm, can I say a couple of words?
Silly Season
TIA
here are some more poll crunching pages:
electoral vote 22 april accorinding to latest state polls
obama 269 mccain 254
http://www.electoral-vote.com/ev...Maps/
Apr22.html
clinton 289 mccain 239
http://www.electoral-vote.com/ev...Maps/
Apr22.html
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Nine days old and from probably the most accurate pollster this season. And after Hillary’s blow out win today add a few points. And ya NC is a stretch.
so SurveyUSA has Clinton's IN lead dropping from 16 points to 5 points in less than a week, and you feel comfortable with her chances there?
.
I think she is too
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
That may be, but I am still of draft age, have a shitty job, am on the verge of being laid off, have three kids all of whom would be eligible for the draft, and still think America is worth fixing.
You're welcome to sit out this election, in the unlikely event that Clinton gets the nod.
However, I am unwilling to sacrifice my country to that shit stain McCain.
I'm still voting for the Dem nominee, even if they nominate the boil on Rush Limbaugh's ass.
Just had to see that again, although it's a most unpleasant image.
And my state is red. It's highly likely to go with McCain but I have to vote for the Democrat, whoever that is.
electoral vote 22 april accorinding to latest state polls
obama 269 mccain 254
clinton 289 mccain 239
I check electoral-vote.com almost daily now. The numbers behind those EV totals indicate soft support for McLumpyface and a large number of undecideds.
The system works!
Look, buddy, I love you, but it's very easy to talk about doing what's "best for the party" when you live in a blue state.
I'VE GOT FUCKING FLAT EARTHERS IN MY LEGISLATURE!!!
AND A FUCKING COCKSUCKER IN THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION
and clinton will do fuck all about that.
we need to do more individually and collectively as citizen sovereigns to keep pressure on the WH and Congress
Regardless of who is there..Yes.
The SCOTUS. And that's about the only reason I can think of.
yeah there is that. But in my case the Electoral College will throw out all the votes for the Democrat (or Hillary) anyway.
Bo, the Silly Season is lasting far too long.
And I can't even stay drunk for the rest of it anymore.
Taking my 30 days tomorrow.
my personal opinion, and flame me if you must, is that convincing people that there is no difference between mccain and hillary is a success for the republican party strategy for 2008
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U will still have lobbyist writing legislation and we will have assholes like terry mcauliffe running the party.
fuck that
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
Yeah. Which is why we keep pressure on Congress. She won't veto Dem passed legislation.
Any bets on hrc getting to like that unitary executive theory, if by some chance she's the executive?
Karin Hussein
To an extent. I don't see her blowing off Democratic Congressional oversight.
If for no other reason than the CorporoMedia won't let her.
Record number of dem voters registered. Record number of dems vote in the primary. It's the same thing that as happened all along. The whiners are still whining for Hillary to drop out. Not gonna happen. Get over it. Stop trying to destroy the best primary season dems have had in maybe ever. Your sucky candidate is gonna have to win or lose on his own Hillary's not dropping out.
Any bets on hrc getting to like that unitary executive theory, if by some chance she's the executive?
Oh, I'd bet any person with that power will go apeshit.
Which is why we can't rely on just elections. We're the sovereigns. We need to fight that bullshit NOW and in January. If we don't put ourselves on the line, nothing stops the tyranny, benign or otherwise...
clinton 289 mccain 239
I have never seen a Clinton Electoral map where she can win without Florida. I think McCain takes Florida. Obama, according to that map, needs to flip New Hampshire, New Mexico, or Ohio.
John McCain gave a speech praising NAFTA in closed factory today. I think in Ohio.
I think she is too
fourlegsgood, on the fringe | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:36 am | # [kill]
I don't think she's crazy.
As for dangerous, that kinda goes with the territory of being an American president. But I don't think she's as dangerous as McCain. Or at least, I have to proceed from that assumption.
We need proportional representation.
...and we will have assholes like terry mcauliffe running the party.
I can't stand that guy - couldn't bear him as head of the DNC, either.
But we're also a ways from the alarm stage.
NEWS FLASH TO LANNY DAVIS:
That working class demographic to which you're pandering: GONE.
Get a new schtick.
However, I am unwilling to sacrifice my country to that shit stain McCain.
Sorry David, but I'm angry.
the clintons stood by and fucking did nothing while the right wing took over our state.
and they'll continue to do nothing if she gets the nom
I check electoral-vote.com almost daily now. The numbers behind those EV totals indicate soft support for McLumpyface and a large number of undecideds.
thats a good site, but I don't think the match ups mean anything right now with the 2 against one attacks on Obama. When Obama is the nominee it will be a different story.
I don't think what you do around here can very often be described as "normal human interaction."
Occasionally, but not reliably.
SteveLG
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I'll have to do better then. Seriously.
Understanding that we haven't always been here at the same time.
Pennsylvania is the new Connecticut.
If we don't put ourselves on the line, nothing stops the tyranny, benign or otherwise...
Perhaps you can go fast in the woods again.
Enuff Z'nuff. My boss caught me at home around 9:30 this morning because I stay up too late jibber jabbering.
Peace, love and democracy.
John McCain gave a speech praising NAFTA in closed factory today. I think in Ohio.
BlueinColorado
That'll help. Or it would, if the media would actually remind someone he said it...
my personal opinion, and flame me if you must, is that convincing people that there is no difference between mccain and hillary is a success for the republican party strategy for 2008
and telling people that John McCain is more qualified to be CiC than Obama, and that the world is a scary scary place in which every day you wake up is a gift from a vigilant government that spies on its citizens and tortures people is.....?
Perhaps you can go fast in the woods again.
Perhaps you can do nothing again.
Has anyone ever ordered from Worlds Records? Are they ok?
electoral vote 22 april accorinding to latest state polls
obama 269 mccain 254
clinton 289 mccain 239
So close to the whole ball of wax for me, it may as well roll. When the dust starts rising, I think that the EC will favor Hillary even more.
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Even a Clinton preznitcy, with a sufficiently progressive Congress, gets me partway there.
It depends on which kind of a progressive you're talking about, I guess. There are the technocrats who believe in regulated government run by elites and there are egalitarians that believe in helping citizens acquire the tools for a genuinely participatory democracy.
I'm in the second group and don't think Clinton has interest in promoting egalitarian representation on the Hill.
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eugene debs and gus hall would laugh at us for magnifying the distinctions between two moderate democrats
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Your sucky candidate is gonna have to win or lose on his own Hillary's not dropping out.
Even tho she can't win the nomination, and can't win the general.
I'll note that over 500 people joined the fast and got Conyers to finally agree to meet with Lesley.
Sitting here bitching about Hillary? How much did that accomplish?
And what's the next level of engagement beyond sitting here bitching vs the next level from a fast? I've got 198 Methods. How many you got?
Perhaps you can do nothing again.
Perhaps U can fuck yourself with your dildo.
again.
Did someone say, "Lanny Davis"?
It's pronounced "Asshole".
I'll note that over 500 people joined the fast and got Conyers to finally agree to meet with Lesley.
WAHHHH!!
the clintons stood by and fucking did nothing while the right wing took over our state.
The Texas Democratic Party stood by while that happened.
They are still stuck in the fight only in swing counties mindset that got the TDP where they are today. Texas needs its own 50 state (146 County) plan. Only the leadership of the TDP don't see it that way.
The Clinton's aren't blameless. By god, I am not a Clinton supporter, but fuck me sideways on the day that I think that a Clinton in the White House is equal to or worse than ShitStain McCain.
I don't have kids, I can't get pregnant, I'm too old to draft, I already have health insurance and a rock solid safe job..
they can fucking blow me.
This explains why some people do nothing.
convincing people that there is no difference between mccain and hillary is a success for the republican party strategy for 2008
I think you're probably correct but we're talking about opinions on a message board, correct?
The problem is Hillary's selling on image of Obama that fits precisely into the RW/Repub. playbook and I don't know about anyone else, but it makes me livid. It's dishonest, and it seems like one hell of a good way to help insure McCain wins.
JMO, but there it is.
Your sucky candidate is gonna have to win or lose on his own Hillary's not dropping out.
hadenough
If Obama's so "sucky", dunce, how did he come from virtually nowhere to have an almost-insurmountable delegate lead, and an overwhelming fundraising lead?
Stop posting, please. You're only humiliating yourself.
AND A FUCKING COCKSUCKER IN THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION
and clinton will do fuck all about that.
fourlegsgood, on the fringe | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:40 am | # [kill]
I don't give two fucks about "the good of the party." The Democrats are basically capitulating vermin, as far as I'm concerned.
But with all due love and admiration, I still don't see how refusing to vote against McCain gets flat-earthers out of your legislature. Obviously, you can do whatever you want, and I'll still like you just as much, but I just don't get it. Yet.
Going to bed, but just wanted to share with you an indication of advancing senility. I got a thank-you card in the mail for donating to Andrew Rice's campaign. And I totally have no recollection of giving him any money. Have I been clicking on ActBlue in my sleep?
Nine days old and from probably the most accurate pollster this season. And after Hillary’s blow out win today add a few points. And ya NC is a stretch.
hadenough | 04.23.08 - 12:33 am
Is the the same hadenough that hangs out at Taylor Marsh's blog?
and telling people that John McCain is more qualified to be CiC than Obama, and that the world is a scary scary place in which every day you wake up is a gift from a vigilant government that spies on its citizens and tortures people is.....?
BlueinColorado | 04.23.08 - 12:44 am | #
are you going to help us defeat the republican party no matter who our candidate is or aren't you?
the candidate i voted for in the primary is not currently in the running, and i find both current democratic candidates way too conservative for my taste, but i still don't like what mccain proposes
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Worlds Records. Anybody?
Perhaps U can fuck yourself with your dildo.
Yes, you're being so constructive.
I'll note that over 500 people joined the fast and got Conyers to finally agree to meet with Lesley.
WAHHHH!!
That's a pretty stupid response. Hundreds of people do something and get something for their efforts, and you WAHHHHH? That's super. You're really channeling that bitterness and anger. Good on ya! Thankfully you can't be drafted, have no children to draft, and have a nice, safe job. Nothing to risk! The Iraqis thank you.
Chester county's still got 25% to go. Could we see a point or two change?
WAHHHH!!
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
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Now you're just acting like a child. At least he tries to make change. That's more than just a slogan.
The problem is Hillary's selling on image of Obama that fits precisely into the RW/Repub. playbook and I don't know about anyone else, but it makes me livid. It's dishonest, and it seems like one hell of a good way to help insure McCain wins.
She has driven her already sky-high negatives even higher with this bullshit.
- no matter who runs, Colorado is going to be decided in a squeaker
- when Republicans took over your state, exactly what were the Clintons supposed to do about it? Send in the Air Force to bomb the state capital?
On a more personal note, it's nice to see that all the pseudoreasons and lies for being for or against either candidate are still operative.
"If Obama's so "sucky", dunce, how did he come from virtually nowhere to have an almost-insurmountable delegate lead, and an overwhelming fundraising lead?
Stop posting, please. You're only humiliating yourself.
DJ"
Lots of lobbyist running a Chicago style campaign with the "liberal media" backing it up. And dj thanks for the advice.
I'm in the second group and don't think Clinton has interest in promoting egalitarian representation on the Hill.
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Sparkle Plenty
No, she doesn't. But its not up to her. IT'S UP TO US!!!
We have to make sure OUR Congress doesn't roll over for her.
And we can do that....with a Dem preznit.
There's no fucking hope with a Republican one.
If Atrios is going to do selective identification of trolls maybe he should get a gravatar and more secure identity because frankly people have namestolen him in the past and there's really no way of knowing it's him.
are you going to help us defeat the republican party no matter who our candidate is or aren't you?
Well, the fact is that this primary changed nothing except giving Clinton a reason to indulge her ego for a few more weeks, so, yes, I will be doing all I can to defeat John McCain, and I'd appreciate it if the Clintons would stop pumping up McCain's qualifications and calling him a "moderate".
Flory, I'm with you.
And with that, I love you all. Best dreams and goodness on each of you.
lots of lobbyists running a Chicago style campaign with the "liberal media" backing it up.
You have no grip on reality, do you?
But with all due love and admiration, I still don't see how refusing to vote against McCain gets flat-earthers out of your legislature. Obviously, you can do whatever you want, and I'll still like you just as much, but I just don't get it. Yet.
she won't compete here and her people won't invest the resources to help rebuild the party
by the time we do it ourselves I'll be dead of old age
Hillary will have a fun day tomorrow with her new found " Joe-Momentum"
Who the fuck are these Democrates who keep voting for her??? What is wrong with this picture? Im in Michigan and it's Obama country here. I don't get it at all.
we could always get our noses out of the mud of the primary fight and try to take a longer view
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[Follows Sallyh out the door]
Paging Ms. Clinton: Payco Collection Agency on Line One.
Just want to put it out there, since the "heartbreak" was live-blogged; Gomez and I have resolved whatever it was that was, and, for the record, I had no intention of breaking up with him. I needed some space. That is all.
Mi>eugene debs and gus hall would laugh at us for magnifying the distinctions between two moderate democrats
I don't know enough about Gus Hall, but I think Eugene Debs would recognize significant differences between them. When Clinton talks about empowering people, she means laws and resources to increase opportunities and diversity.
When Obama talks about empowering people, he means revitalizing participatory democracy, a much different thing.
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Gee, someone just namestole me. That's a first. And ironic, in that the subject of the post is about namestealing.
It made a little more sense than I often do, so...
Just want to put it out there, since the "heartbreak" was live-blogged; Gomez and I have resolved whatever it was that was, and, for the record, I had no intention of breaking up with him. I needed some space. That is all.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Thanks Vicki, but TMI
The obama times must read the comment here:
The Bruising Will Go On for the Party
For better or worse — and many Democrats fear it is for worse — the race goes on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/2...3assess.html?
hp
That's adnag being very concerned about the dem party. Record number of dem voters registered. Record numbers voting. Tons of people getting involved for the first time. adnag like plenty of commenters here is concerned that is hurting dems. Think about it.
[Follows Sallyh out the door]
bo
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Right behind ya'll...
She has driven her already sky-high negatives even higher with this bullshit.
Exactly! It's bad for everyone. And surely it is bad for the long term to echo the scripts of Fox News and the Rush/Hannity crowd.
And what's with the snark about Kerry and Gore being elitists? And the cheap shot about Farrakhan again, in last week's debate? What irony, with Rendell's high praise of the man.
What she's doing is the real thing - people are just blowing off steam in here.
She still doesn't have the maths.
The Convention is a Big Fat Caucus.
Obama delegates are SCARY and will intimidate all HRC delegates at the convention, UNFAIR as it may be. They are willing to throw people out of their wheelchairs to get Obama as the candidate. MEAN!!!!!
Obama wins.
Mellow out and join me in a refreshing pause.
Goodnight.
The Dimocrat Donner Party, having excreted a large, steaming pile of race/gender-grievance-politics during its 2008 primaries, promptly, expertly, beautifully step in said pile of steaming caca....
you go, you go, you go, you hilarious "progressives"...!
hillarity on steroids, dude!
she won't compete here and her people won't invest the resources to help rebuild the party
The TDP won't even invest its resources in building the party.
Why throw good money after bad?
we could always get our noses out of the mud of the primary fight and try to take a longer view
Well, as someone said, this is a partisan blog, and we're just blowing off steam. We might as well be arguing about the Giants and Patriots. I can't imagine anyone here is still undecided.
"I don't get it at all.
anna"
Exactly.
The problem is Hillary's selling on image of Obama that fits precisely into the RW/Repub. playbook and I don't know about anyone else, but it makes me livid. It's dishonest, and it seems like one hell of a good way to help insure McCain wins.
Mr Bipartisan Churchgoer GaysAreIcky AboveItAll made his own bed.
Who the fuck are these Democrats who keep voting for her??? What is wrong with this picture? Im in Michigan and it's Obama country here. I don't get it at all.
People like us in Massachusetts, who have excellent detectors for bullshit, conservative tendencies, and hollow promises.
The TDP won't even invest its resources in building the party.
Why throw good money after bad?
Ah, fine. Let's just set the state on fire then.
what's the bloody point?
she won't compete here and her people won't invest the resources to help rebuild the party
by the time we do it ourselves I'll be dead of old age
fourlegsgood, on the fringe | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:52 am | # [kill]
OK, so for the sake of argument, 2009 rolls around and McCain's in the White House. What comes next for the Texas Dems? How does the situation improve?
I think Phila found this one: Lookie, lookie! Here comes cookie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...h?
v=Z5j3QOxwSqI
Lubyanka | 04.23.08 - 12:54 am | #
even at the depths of a bitter intraparty feud, the poll numbers all still seem to show a solid lead for democrats
so what are you so self satisfied about?
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4 legs good worked like a dog in her state during the primary. probably no one here has put in as much effort. no one.
Thanks Vicki, but TMI
How's that? I learned that people have e-mailed him on this topic - the same people who have given me shit abhout being too "open." Just wanted to clear it up.
Think about it.
hadenough | 04.23.08 - 12:53 am | #
So what's the deal hadenough? You've bored of the fawning, drooling, low-IQ tripe over at TM? And you've come here why?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore, I'm glad to hear that all is well again.
GaysAreIcky
Oh for fuck's sake.
Lemme guess: Donnie McClurkin.
she won't compete here and her people won't invest the resources to help rebuild the party
dude, you keep making these absolute statements as if you have been to the future and know exactly what people will do there
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Cleo Brown has a cognac voice. Very lovely. And yes, I'm going to post all sorts of crap here tonight.
we could always get our noses out of the mud of the primary fight and try to take a longer view.
With all due respect, and all that - that's exactly what a lot of people are doing and that's the basis for concern about Sen. Clinton's campaign.
She seems determined to take down Obama, herself and the entire party with her methods. And Bill really, really needs to settle down, once and for all. My god, I know so many people who so admired the man and they can't stand to see him now.
Thanks, Echidne.
Well, as someone said, this is a partisan blog, and we're just blowing off steam. We might as well be arguing about the Giants and Patriots. I can't imagine anyone here is still undecided.
BlueinColorado | 04.23.08 - 12:55 am | #
that's a reassuring way of looking at it. i hope you're right
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Think about it.
hadenough | 04.23.08 - 12:53 am | #
There's the d00d who got this former Edwards supporter to see the light and vote for Obama.
Hanx, d00d!
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so what are you so self satisfied about?
Being here?
Ron Reagan on CNN is such an earnest fellow, who, like John Dean, is simply too true-tongue and tumpy-tumpy for the Shiite Republicans.
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National Poll: Regardless of PA Outcome, Clinton Should Stay in Race
SurveyUSA Breaking News - 6 hours ago
Among Democrats, 59% say Clinton should remain in the race if she loses the Keystone State; 39% say she should drop out.
Among Republicans, 49% say Clinton should remain in the race if she loses tonight; 48% say she should drop out.
Among Independents, 54% say Clinton should remain in the race if she fails to win PA; 40% say she should drop out.
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.p...ld-stay-in-
race
OK, so for the sake of argument, 2009 rolls around and McCain's in the White House. What comes next for the Texas Dems? How does the situation improve?
Honestly, I don't know. They have a lock on all the high offices and they fucking redistricted me right out of a representative.
We're organized in our district and county, but it's all remnants of Dean's organization and Obama's here from this year. I doubt it will hold together for HIllary.
So let McCain inherit the war and the war crimes. Why any decent dem would even want the job at the moment mystifies me. Maybe it's for the best that Clinton claws her way to the nom and loses to McCain. Which she will. If the voters don't nominate Obama by a landslide then they deserve McCain for pres.
She has driven her already sky-high negatives even higher with this bullshit. - The Old Man From Scene 24
yes, the "untrustworthy" "Senator from Punjab" who will "say anything" to get elected has let us all down and fallen far below the perfection that we know is Obama ...
She seems determined to take down Obama, herself and the entire party with her methods.
i don't really agree with that
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Ah, fine. Let's just set the state on fire then.
what's the bloody point?
fourlegsgood, on the fringe
The bloody point, is that the TDP needs a house cleaning from the top.
Texas has received all the money it is going to from the DNC until it decides to act like a real political party, and not like spoiled children.
If you are really this angry about it, you are the perfect type of person to, basically, stage a coup.
The moneyed interests in the State are keeping this lackadaisical leadership in the TDP. A serious challenge needs to come from below, and it needs enough passion and anger to throw the bums out.
Blaming the DNC for our ills here, is only addressing the symptom. Not the disease.
$3,000,000.00+ tonight online.
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Dimocrats:
"Do we shit, or go blind?"
Gus Hall would have backed Hillary.
"So what's the deal hadenough? You've bored of the fawning, drooling, low-IQ tripe over at TM? And you've come here why?
gimmeabreak"
No still posting there also. But I can spare a half brain cell for you. Oh and you forgot racists.
GravatarCleo Brown has a cognac voice. Very lovely. And yes, I'm going to post all sorts of crap here tonight.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 12:59 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Here's one for you.
Obama has a math problem. He can't win without superdelegates, and the superdelegates have made it clear that they just want someone who can beat McCain in November and do not necessarily feel bound by who has the most pledged delegates or the popular vote. Since Obama can't seem to win the big states rich in electoral votes, I would expect Reid and Pelosi to broker some kind of deal to get Obama to accept the Veep slot.
dude, you keep making these absolute statements as if you have been to the future and know exactly what people will do there
Excuse me but she's already said she concedes texas to the republicans.
and her people tried to get rid of Dean specifically because they were mad about him investing resources building up the state parties.
What do you think is going to happen?
Fuck, months ago when I said she was going to go nuclear negative all I heard was, "you don't know that! you can't see the future!!"
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©,
So that'll make you a 2x loser.
Since Obama can't seem to win the big states rich in electoral votes, I would expect Reid and Pelosi to broker some kind of deal to get Obama to accept the Veep slot.
Pocket Rocket | 04.23.08 - 1:02 am | #
Yeah right.
okay, I'm done
What do you think of this one, Phila?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=C...feature=related
If you are really this angry about it, you are the perfect type of person to, basically, stage a coup.
I likez this idea.
4lg for TDP Chaircentaur!
the "untrustworthy" "Senator from Punjab" who will "say anything"
What awful things to say! But at least John "100 years war" McCain and Hillary "Bush has made his case on Iraq" Clinton, unlike Barrack Hussien Farrakhan Hamas Weather Underground Obama, are qualified to be Commander in Chief.
And yes, I'm going to post all sorts of crap here tonight.
Echidne
Well, I'm digitizing all my, and Mrs. David's old photos. I'll probably be here until my eyes get too heavy to stay open.
She seems determined to take down Obama, herself and the entire party with her methods.
i don't really agree with that
I do.
Here's proof:
http://tinyurl.com/4veg4b
She has driven her already sky-high negatives even higher with this bullshit.
The Old Man From Scene 24
If the negative anti - Obama add the Repugs plan on introducing in North Carolina is any indication, The Repugs are about to start playing dirty. They know who the nominee will be. They're the real enemy.
Obama supporters suck and they are the reason for the party problem
here's a flash asshole
your shit stinks
Are there any Democratic blogs that are pro Clinton right now?
I'm old and don't get around much.
Hillary is campaigning like a Republican so doesn't it make since that she is winning some of these primaries
because Republicans are switching to vote for her? I still don't get who these Democrats are that are voting for her???
I am 53, a woman-a Democrat all my life and for the first time I feel like I don't know my own party anymore.
When RFK was killed-when MLK was killed, Clinton was still a Republican and fighting " hippies" that were against the Viet Nam war.
I can't get past that. Where is Monica when you need her?
hillarity on steroids, dude!
Lubyanka | 04.23.08 - 12:54 am | #
Although you are far too much of a coward to put your own ass on the line (just like your fellow repukelicans), there is always this.
I know, I know, you support their mission. Just not them. Typical puke.
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Oh and you forgot racists.
hadenough | 04.23.08 - 1:01
Thanks! I knew I left something out.
Well, I'm digitizing all my, and Mrs. David's old photos. I'll probably be here until my eyes get too heavy to stay open.
I have several hundred of those to do one day soon. Some of them are fading rapidly.
The greatest song of the 20th century.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Z...feature=related
What do you think of this one, Phila?
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=C...feature=related
Echidne | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:03 am | # [kill][hide comment]
I never liked her much, to tell you the truth. Kind of in the Ivie Anderson / Ethel Waters school, but neither of them seem quite as mannered to me. My favorite singers of that era are comparatively unaffected (e.g., Maxine Sullivan, Mildred Bailey).
I can't get past that. Where is Monica when you need her?
Some Democrat you are.
Here's one for you.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:02 am | #
What do you think of this one, Phila?
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=C...feature=related
Echidne | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:03 am | #
i love you guys. you make me feel like i might not be a freak for being obsessed with the music and films of the 20s and 30s
.
I have several hundred of those to do one day soon. Some of them are fading rapidly.
Echidne
Which is why I decided it was time for me to start.
I like Mildred Bailey a lot, too. I have to check out Maxine Sullivan.
Best male big band singer of 'em all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0...h?
v=0B9gsyfUFqY
yes, the "untrustworthy" "Senator from Punjab" who will "say anything" to get elected has let us all down and fallen far below the perfection that we know is Obama ...
She did say she'd obliterate Iran...
Since Obama can't seem to win the big states rich in electoral votes
oh please, these are DEMOCRATIC primaries. Please research how elections in this country work.
Annette Hanshaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...h?
v=XFxzGMce8MQ
She seems determined to take down Obama, herself and the entire party with her methods.
i don't really agree with that
I do.
Here's proof:
http://tinyurl.com/4veg4b
sarik | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:04 am | #
we're still solidly ahead in the polls. the democratic party has not been 'taken down'
funny graphic though...
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Also for Echidne: Una Mae Carlisle.
Are there any Democratic blogs that are pro Clinton right now?
http://www.correntewire.com/
They hate Obama more than the Republicans.
i love you guys. you make me feel like i might not be a freak for being obsessed with the music and films of the 20s and 30s
.
Tacitus Voltaire
I love Gershwin..
http://www.gershwin.com/
And Bogart..
CONSHOHOCKEN, Pennsylvania (AFP) - Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton threatened to "totally obliterate" Iran if the Islamic Republic was ever "reckless" enough to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.
Best male big band singer of 'em all?
Very funny.
"Dimocrat Superdelegate Politburo Of Party Hacks Clinton's Last Hope..."
SOME DEMOCRAT I AM YOU ASK????
I am a loyal Democrat who opposed the war in IRAQ
That bloody fucking horrible war in Iraq that is killing my countrymen.
Clinton voted for the war and promoted it. PREZ Clinton went on Larry King
and said " Bush did the right thing to invade IRAQ" so don't fucking question my loyalty as a Democrat.
The Clintons are no Democrats. For God's Sake to get votes she wants to Nuke Iran
Wake the fuck up. The enemy is within.
With everything that goes on here, it cracks me up when people straddle the high horse and tell me that what's going on in my life is TMI. We've heard everything from so and so getting laid to someone else's cancer surgery....for example. The irony is that I've never talked about my personal sex life...I've just talked about sex, in general.
I have never asked anyone to comment on my personal/sex life here, and there seems to be a group think on occasion that pushes the issue. (Some troll will find something in the archives, no doubt...)
God, sometimes I hear the same things from different angles several times.
Just sayin', and not that that matters.
Who did Frank Sinatra call the best big band singer of 'em all?
Annette Hanshaw
that's fun. never heard of her before.
nice band behind her - does the improvised new orleans style counterpoint
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Also for Echidne: Una Mae Carlisle.
Her voice is like frozen liquorice fudge.
Annette Hanshaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...h? v=XFxzGMce8MQ
click | 04.23.08 - 1:09 am | # [kill][hide comment]
One of my favorites. Her recording of "Get Out and Get Under the Moon" is one of the best recordings ever, for my money.
What awful things to say! But at least John "100 years war" McCain and Hillary "Bush has made his case on Iraq" Clinton, unlike Barrack Hussien Farrakhan Hamas Weather Underground Obama, are qualified to be Commander in Chief
The former North Carolina senator criticized Obama specifically for referring to Ronald Reagan as an agent of change in a newspaper interview. “I would never use Ronald Reagan as an example of change,” Edwards said. “You think about what Ronald Reagan did, to America, the American people, to the middle class, to working people. He was openly, openly intolerant of unions and the right to organize."
In an interview with the Reno Gazette-Journal, Obama said that Reagan “changed the trajectory of America,” and said Americans “want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship.” “I could promise you this,” Edwards said. “This president will never use Ronald Reagan as an example.”
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON’T BLAME MR. NEUTRAL.
They hate Obama more than the Republicans.
Only because the Republicans are exausted from all the sex with children and heavy bags of gold.
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Only because the Republicans are exausted from all the sex with children and heavy bags of gold.
I saw my first McCain lawn sign today.
(I've never seen one for Hillary, though my neighbor is a fan)
"Dimocrat Superdelegate Politburo Of Party Hacks Clinton's Last Hope..."
to face off against Obama's deME!ME!ME!ocrats United In Conservative Revisionism...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...h?
v=CVE72Ae82Tw
Tacitus Voltaire, you said:
i don't really agree with that.
That's fine, I'm really not in a mood to fight or disrespect a differing opinion. But I am very upset at the way Hillary has run her campaign. These things matter to me. It's late so I'm almost done here. But I'll sketch it out a little bit.
It's just horrifying to see a Democrat using the such bad RW methods on another Democrat. And I'm not saying Obama is perfect but I haven't seen him using such relentless and careless guilt by association, or the kind of tsk-tsking snark you hear on a RW radio about "unAmerican" associations or for God's sake - using the very same RW rags which tried to usurp his husband's election, but this time - she's using them against Obama. (I'm refering to her talking to the Scaife paper about Wright and the use of the American Spectator smear about McPeak, there.)
The debate was almost unbearable last week. I came to really admire Hillary and I damn near voted for her.
I've lost a great deal of respect for her. And again, I think her methods will have a long term negative effect on the party's chances. Add to everything, she's a long shot. We're talking about smearing the front runner.
Trust me on one thing - the things people are throwing off here are nothing to worry about right now. People want this damn thing to be done, already. They're frustrated, for a variety of reasons. Hillary's the one doing the potential damage and I don't know if it can be undone enough.
that's fun. never heard of her before.
Her career was scuttled by Ruth Etting's mobster boyfriend, so she never really got her due.
Great, great singer, though. I have tons of her stuff if you'd like me to burn it for you.
I saw my first McCain lawn sign today.
(I've never seen one for Hillary, though my neighbor is a fan)
I've only seen Obama signs and bumper stickers round here (and a few Ron Paul bumper stickers)
Does my hairpiece look right?
Should I get a matching cod piece?
Does my hairpiece look right?
Tim Russert | 04.23.08 - 1:18 am
Christ, Tim. I hope you didn't pay for that.
Wardrobe allowance.
Clearly "progressives" need to dig deeper into their pockets for Messiah Obama--look for money under those futons!
Pennsylvania pried open Hobama's lips and forced a gigantic turd down his throat.
Tonight proves it: Farrakhan II: Electric Jigaboo is unelectable.
I like Mississippi Fred McDowell. A lot.
Has either candidate really looked at the SCOPE of the job to REPAIR the shit that's wrong?
I don't think so. Little bitty pieces and parts but not the whole thing have they articulated.
I suppose it's because normal people also have a hard time grasping how much needs to be done.
T4TN
Ditto. Well said.
http://tinyurl.com/4veg4b
OT, was thinking about getting that new tick & flea stuff for the pups. ProMeris. Don't:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/...ead/
172012.html
John McCain and I go to the same hairdresser.
Hillary's the one doing the potential damage and I don't know if it can be undone enough.
T4TN | 04.23.08 - 1:17 am | #
we are in much better shape than we ever were with dukakis or kerry. the theory that we are going to lose because of hillary's campaign tactics is not, as far as i can make out, based on any evidence. did you see the electoral maps i posted above?
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We know the strengths and weaknesses of these candidates. We know what demographics they win against one another and what demos they lose. About half the Democrats in the country like Clinton and about half like Obama. She's from the Northeast and he's from the Midwest, and they get a tilt in their favor in each of those regions. He can't knock her out because she's really good at campaigning, and she was swamped by him early because he's really good at campaigning. The level of competition is far higher here than it will be in the fall against John McCain, actually. So the superdelegates can make their choice. They could make it today.
And I agree with Stoller, we're going to be fine. Democrats forced a runoff, and came within a hair's breadth of winning, in a seat in the middle of Mississippi (MS-01) tonight, an R+10 seat. The "Clinton/Obama voters will vote for McCain if their guy doesn't win" polling is about as relevant in the middle of a hotly contested primary
Obama lost the plot in the last several weeks, and Clinton capitalized with a faintly divisive, but strong campaign. Obama needs to get back on his feet in two favorable states. He has not lost a single state that shares a border with his home state of Illinois (Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri). His speech tonight was pretty much a replay of his 2004 DNC keynote, and he's trying to return to the themes on which he won early. If he wins those two states it will be very significant. But the superdelegates need to come out from under the rocks where they're hiding and end this.
Friedman Units, Election-Style
OT, was thinking about getting that new tick & flea stuff for the pups.
You can't use flea stuff on puppies.
Does my hairpiece look right?
Tim Russert | 04.23.08 - 1:18 am
It's not enough to distract people from your head. Is it getting larger?
And your nose. Something's happenin' there.
look for money under those futons!
Lubyanka
I looked for money under my matress once. I only found bedbugs.
Ivie Anderson and Duke. Remastered by John RT Davies.
http://www.amazon.com/Raisin-Ren...n/dp/
B00004R63C
Tac:
send along whatever it is you're smoking, Senor PurpleHaze
Vicki - ifn yer still here, youse gots mail.
I prefer Obama, but will vote for HJillary should it come to that. No way can McCain be allowed to occupy the WH. I don't understand the vitriol being spat between the supporters of the two.
we are in much better shape than we ever were with dukakis or kerry. the theory that we are going to lose because of hillary's campaign tactics is not, as far as i can make out, based on any evidence. did you see the electoral maps i posted above?
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Tacitus Voltaire
Don't listen to him. He's not paid to pundit. Those maps are not bearing the Pundit Seal of Approval.
Jeez. I go out for a beer or four and come back and the place is infested with stupid. Are jazz and big band singers the only sane topics left?
According to kos, Hillary has a 8.5% lead.
send along whatever it is you're smoking, Senor PurpleHaze
Lubyanka
Who is your hairdresser? Who does your make up?
SARAH DEERE!
How are you? Are you coming to lunch on the 18th?
Her career was scuttled by Ruth Etting's mobster boyfriend, so she never really got her due.
Great, great singer, though. I have tons of her stuff if you'd like me to burn it for you.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:17 am | #
pretty interesting! wikipedia ranks her very high
i appreciate the offer, although i am an amazon/iTunes junkie so i'll try to find some stuff there first
BTW i was turned on to tiny parham in the past few weeks by a local bay area musician who specializes in the old stuff
mme voltaire & i have taken to going to the speisekammer restaurant here which likes to have live music mostly of the 20s and 30s variety
and i like german food...
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You can't use flea stuff on puppies.
sarik
my pups are 6 & 14 y.o.
Hillary's the one doing the potential damage and I don't know if it can be undone enough. -T4TN
the one thing I do know from this blog is that: Obama most definitely has the "Fortune Teller" vote sewn up ...
I shall punditate: McCain in a landlide - of his own incontinence. A pantload of his own dung.
did you see the electoral maps i posted above?
It's not about that. It's about the fairytale of an Obama Presidency not having to start with the historical developments and realities we face, and a society far more perfect than it is.
IOW, translate as "Dude, you're harshing my mellow."
I like Mississippi Fred McDowell. A lot.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:20 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Skip James is pretty much the ultimate for me. And that one Geeshie Wiley track.
And the Mississippi Sheiks, of course.
pud | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:20 am | #
vile little thing, isn't it?
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The Rushing thing was great...! Thanks, I needed that.
And this will cure most anything that ails you. (If it was longer, it definitely would.)
Louis Armstrong and Jack Teagarden
I don't understand the vitriol being spat between the supporters of the two.
Sarah Deere
It's politics. When it comes down to a Democrat and four more years of George Bush, people will know what to do.
middle c on mighty casio wassup?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=e...feature=related
You can't use flea stuff on puppies.
sarik
my pups are 6 & 14 y.o.
not pups,
And that one Geeshie Wiley track.
Yes, that was excellent.
My comment had to do with an evening of listening to Blind Lemon Jefferson, Robert Johnson and Mississippi Fred. The other two made me sad and he made me cheerful again.
Godnight, bats.
Todd. mail
And that one Geeshie Wiley track.
Got a link?
Last but not least, Maxine Sullivan.
Gonna go watch a movie now...g'night.
CONSHOHOCKEN, Pennsylvania (AFP) - Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton threatened to "totally obliterate" Iran if the Islamic Republic was ever "reckless" enough to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.
Hardig the OH Douchebag
Somewhere in Connecticut, her husband's Vice President's ex-running mate just had a screaming orgasm.
Memphis Jug Band.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:31 am | #
"people ask me, 'what makes this jugband drink?'"
you must have a kick-ass library of tunes
i'll see if i can't text-ize my beloved old jazz and old timey country iPod playlist and send it to you somehow so we can compare
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Hi folks. I think we should change the topic to more fun stuff. Like Torture.
I've been thinking about doing a project regarding torture, and it might get "media" coverage but the media coverage isn't the goal.
I want people who support torture to lose donor dollars from their religious donors.
And then when the people fall all over them selves to condemn torture I want them on record saying that they want people involved in torture to be sent to jail. So that as more stuff gets revealed we will have them on record saying "People who plan for, approve and carry out torture should be punished."
(Kind of like the way that Bush said if anyone leaked they would be punished... Hmmm that didn't help out much maybe I should reconsider) but the of course I always like to have multi-message campaigns because you don't know which part people will be interested in.
I want people who support torture to lose donor dollars from their religious donors.
Lots of luck. The Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? Hello! The Baby Jesus is _totally_ down with torture, as long as it's heathens and infidels at the business end of the red-hot poker.
My comment had to do with an evening of listening to Blind Lemon Jefferson, Robert Johnson and Mississippi Fred. The other two made me sad and he made me cheerful again.
Echidne | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:31 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Frankly, I never quite got the fuss about the first two...I like Blind Blake a lot, though.
Got a link?
sarik | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:33 am | # [kill][hide comment]
"Last Kind Word Blues." Echidne dug it up on YouTube a while back, but I'm sure you can find it elsewhere. Her name's sometimes spelled "Geechie."
Out for real. G'night.
Obama most definitely has the "Fortune Teller" vote sewn up ...
Whatever that is supposed to mean. Isn't Hillary the one who says "Obama can't win"? Sure, she denied it but it's been a theme from her campaign.
To Tacitus Voltaire -
I think I have good reasons for what I'm saying but it's getting late - look at the rise in her negatives, for one thing. And anything that makes Republicans so deliriously happy, can't be good at all.
And that one Geeshie Wiley track.
Got a link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m...h?v=m4Jj-
tb_5Xw
you must have a kick-ass library of tunes
Don't know about kickass, but it's very, very, very large.....
I've been thinking about doing a project regarding torture, and it might get "media" coverage but the media coverage isn't the goal.
I want people who support torture to lose donor dollars from their religious donors.
Why not teach other local bloggers to smite RW radio jocks in their local markets as well? Viralize and franchise those freedom fries.
Smite!
Frankly, I never quite got the fuss about the first two
Robert Johnson was brilliant and died before he could disappoint. There was lightning in every note recorded, but sadly not much was recorded.
Don't know about kickass, but it's very, very, very large.....
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
no flirting
Obamagasmics dig into pockets--their Messiah needs beaucoup bucks to pound down Indiana ratholes...
This is a better recording of Geechie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...h?
v=fVptpqO0ISc
WTF:
Source: Baltimore Sun
Posted April 22, 2008 7:08 PM
The Swamp
by Matthew Hay Brown
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, under fire from House Republicans for failing to contain rising gas prices, is appealing to President Bush for help.
In a letter today, the California Democrat asks Bush to direct the Justice Department to investigate oil cartel price-fixing, authorize the Federal Trade Commission to pursue and punish "price gougers," end tax breaks for oil companies and invest the savings in renewable energy.
"Lastly, your administration must use the authority given to it by the Congress to end market manipulation," Pelosi writes. "We cannot wait to act in the face of these price increases."
The letters appears to be a response, of sorts, to a campaign by the House Republican Conference accusing Democrats of breaking a promise to contain gas prices. Yesterday, they were calling the increase at the pump since Democrats took control of Congress last year the "Pelosi Premium."...
Robert Johnson was brilliant and died before he could disappoint. There was lightning in every note recorded, but sadly not much was recorded.
MikeJ | 04.23.08 - 1:38 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Meh. Don't really hear it, especially alongside someone like Skip James.
Not that I hate him or anything, I just don't think he stacks up against James, or Blind Blake...
(Back briefly because the wife's not quite ready to watch....)
The letters appears to be a response, of sorts, to a campaign by the House Republican Conference accusing Democrats of breaking a promise to contain gas prices. Yesterday, they were calling the increase at the pump since Democrats took control of Congress last year the "Pelosi Premium."...
Democrats, patsies.
In a letter today, the California Democrat asks Bush to direct the Justice Department to investigate oil cartel price-fixing, authorize the Federal Trade Commission to pursue and punish "price gougers," end tax breaks for oil companies and invest the savings in renewable energy.
Bush cut taxes during wartime, putting our troops at risk. Bush has done nothing while his patrons in Big Oil have reaped record wartime profits on the backs of the American taxpayer. Bush has cut funding for medical care for wounded veterans to free up money to pay exhorbitant salaries to "contractors" whose companies funnel huge bribes to GOP campaign coffers. But, as Nancy Pelosi would be the first to tell you, criticism of Dear Leader is "off the table."
Dimocrats:
"Do we shit, or go blind?"
Lubyanka | 04.23.08 - 1:01 am | #
Repigs:
"Do both, like us! At least you don't have to try to elect a cancer-ridden, lobbyist-sucking traitor!"
Tim Russert | 04.23.08 - 1:38 am | #
Actually I have been. They are now being sued by Michael Savage. The group "Hate Hurts America" is using my techniques and methods and have been sued by Savage in San Francisco. They are being sued for the same thing that I was as well as RICO! (because Savage focused on CAIR, one of the members.)
Dowd ees absolutamente crowing over la Democratista's primary situation. It gives her a chance to parade her favorite themes, all over again.
Liberal media, my furry culo.
Pffft, hasta.
I think I have good reasons for what I'm saying but it's getting late - look at the rise in her negatives, for one thing. -T4TN
hard to believe, conservative nuts attacking her 24/7 and liberal blogs now doing the same ... STOP THE VOTING - it's the only way to insure Democracy
Obamagasmics dig into pockets--their Messiah needs beaucoup bucks to pound down Indiana ratholes...
Lubyanka | 04.23.08 - 1:39 am | #
Scared to death, these repukes. Scared to death, seeing either a woman or a black man as their next president. Get used to it. It's happening. The GOP is done.
Don't know about kickass, but it's very, very, very large.....
No flirting.
OK, out again.
I'll leave you with this.
as long as it's heathens and infidels at the business end of the red-hot poker.
To be fair, Christians would torture other Christians over doctrinal differences.
hey NTodd. Re: lunch on the 18th - I wouldn't mmiss it! Looking forward to it.
And, I am tolerable, thanks. How's by you?
Dowd ees absolutamente crowing over la Democratista's primary situation. It gives her a chance to parade her favorite themes, all over again.
Gah. Nugunnareadit.
An MS/NBC/Eschaton scoop!
American arrested as nuclear spy for Israel
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news...896681000&
ty=ti
Bread & Vircuses that's what it is.
The only difference is that they are getting much bolder. Folks who aren't on medication can even notice the obvious. Even when the trusted granite faced news anchor lies they have a funny sense of Alice & Wonderland upside down logic that their fellow citizens seem to swallow as if it was that incredibly tasty orange cough medicine mom used to give us - talk about your gateway drug - What I am trying to say is they notice that something's waaaay wrong. Yet the masses are so sedated (wow what an elitist comment!!) that they have not taken to the streets in unvanquishable numbers to usher in a velvet revolution ala the Czechs. A playwright for president?
Oops - time to go to bed.
It's a rigged game and democracy has nothing to do with it.
Obama is one big, strutting and preening fool.
someone buy him a pimp hat. With an extra big feather in it.
Obama can't close the deal.Can't get them to sign on the line which is dotted. Couldn't win Pennsylv. and the Dims can't win in Nov without Pennsylv. A Loserman. McCain should be high fiving tonight.
Sarah D - YAY! I think I lost yer e-mail addy when I switched computers, so if you could send me a message at blog_at_pritsky_dot_net I can send you my cell # and backstory about me and E, etc. Life is berry, berry good.
American arrested as nuclear spy for Israel
I'm sure the chairman of the Senate committee with oversight over DHS will accord this scandal his full attention.
Actually I have been. They are now being sued by Michael Savage. The group "Hate Hurts America" is using my techniques and methods and have been sued by Savage in San Francisco. They are being sued for the same thing that I was as well as RICO! (because Savage focused on CAIR, one of the members.)
Spocko
Excellent. Best of luck to them. I hope they prevail as well.
I want people who support torture to lose donor dollars from their religious donors.
Lots of luck. The Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? Hello! The Baby Jesus is _totally_ down with torture, as long as it's heathens and infidels at the business end of the red-hot poker.
Dr. Wu | 04.23.08 - 1:36 am |
Dr. Wu. I hear you. But seriously let's try and talk about what their belief NOW. What are their current guidelines and actions now.
I'm very confident that they will not go back to the Spanish Inquisition and say, "Hey, we still are down with that."
And also, try not to think Catholic church only. I'm thinking of who are the people who claim moral authority?
The current Christian popular leaders, what about the Methodists? Bush is officially a Methodist. So if I think both Methodists and born again Christians will be against torture.
sued by Savage in San Francisco
That's about as shameful as being denounced by Hitler.
pud:
you aren't suggesting an Messiah ObamaMobile--a candy-purple Escalade with spinners, are you?
Obama is one big, strutting and preening fool.
someone buy him a pimp hat. With an extra big feather in it.
pud
He should learn to swagger and sport a cod piece with Hot Sauce!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...h?
v=WYuSKoKO4bQ
someone buy him a pimp hat. With an extra big feather in it.
pud | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 1:52 am | #
he'll look fly on inauguration day! And then he can passit on to the world's biggest pimp, George W Bush, who'll wear it proudly while leaving with his whore Condi.
Obama can't close the deal.Can't get them to sign on the line which is dotted. Couldn't win Pennsylv. and the Dims can't win in Nov without Pennsylv. A Loserman. McCain should be high fiving tonight.
jack | 04.23.08 - 1:52 am | #
sorry, Jack, mcStain couldn't win PA with a fistful of hundreds. Kiss the GOP goodbye, they're swirling the bowl, with turds just like you.
Blublogfascists contort in mutual friggathon to divert attention from the crushing shame of their night-shift troll tactics! Regret ensues!
Funny how there's all of three repig losers here, whining and screaming into the night, fighting that rising sickness in the pit of their stomachs that white men are finally on the outs. Too bad, losers, looks like the American people have had enough of your genocide and racism!
Excellent. Best of luck to them. I hope they prevail as well.
Tim Russert
I've been following the case closely, both of the cases are weak, but just because you think you will win doesn't mean they aren't stressful.
No flirting.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
you owe me a magic hat, dood
Here's the Annette Hanshaw you want to own. Eventually a complete set of all her recordings.
http://www.amazon.com/6-1929-
Ann...d_bxgy_m_text_b
Funny to call Obama a strutting, preening fool, after the Bush fuckups of the past 7 years. Bush is the picture of the strutting, preening fool, and a coward to boot. Time to destroy the GOP for once and for all. Bury it deep, so it doesn't stink up the landscape any more.
McCain's an old has-been.
Ooold fuck.
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you aren't suggesting an Messiah ObamaMobile--a candy-purple Escalade with spinners, are you?
Lubyanka | 04.23.08 - 1:56 am | #
Are you clowns going to steal Bush's ranch vehicle?
McCain won't make it to election time, anyway. His face is about to explode.
I try to respect others' religious freedom, but when one religion's evangelical adherents have been the driving force behind electing and re-electing the most criminal administration in American history, it's hard not to consider said religion a clear and present danger to the survival of the Republic. I would be ecstatic if you could get Christians to denounce torture. Frankly, I'd be ecstatic if you could get a majority of Christians to stop handing their cash and their votes over to whichever benighted Republican televangelist most recently convinced them that Jesus loves tax cuts for the rich.
Funny to call Obama a strutting, preening fool
ronjazz
Tweety Matthews has wet dreams about Obama in a flight suit.
well, Dr. Wu. the first requirement of voting Republican is that your IQ be at room temperature, and that you be afraid of everything. the second requirement is that you hate the Constitution and the United States.
I've been following the case closely, both of the cases are weak, but just because you think you will win doesn't mean they aren't stressful.
Spocko
Litigation is incredibly stressful. I know.
crushing shame of their night-shift troll tactics
i tried the key combination, but nothing very intelligent happens
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click | 04.23.08 - 2:03 am | #
thanks!
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crushing shame of their night-shift troll tactics
i tried the key combination, but nothing very intelligent happens
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Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 2:08 am | #
< shift >< troll >, that is
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suck my cock liberals.
you're precious black knight can't win.
FUCK OBAMA
FUCK HIM
FUCK HIM<
FUCK OBAMA
http://allintense.blogspot.com/
The Dimocrat Donner Party Banquet-On-Crutches And Comedy Show Limps On To Muncie and Fort Wayne and Terre Haute and Indianapolis...
gonna cost a lotta money, "progressives"! Dig deep under those futons!
Hillary 55%
Barack 45%
Keith Olbermann just broke down in tears.
Russert went running from the building.
Chris Matthews can't feel his legs.
Kos & Black both are on suicide watch.
Hillary 55%
Barack 45%
Keith Olbermann just broke down in tears.
Russert went running from the building.
Chris Matthews can't feel his legs.
Kos & Black both are on suicide watch.
All I'm seeing when I hit "reload" are killfile messages, so I guess it's time to call it a night.
Kos & Black both are on suicide watch.
Why? Obama still has the inside track, the money, etc. And is politics really about winning to the expense of all other considerations? Should we kill ourselves when the person we vote for loses? Then the Republic dies, doesn't it?
suck my cock liberals.
pud
Grow one first!
Dr. Wu | 04.23.08 - 2:06 am
I actually am pretty sure that I CAN get them to denounce torture. And I think I can get them on record saying it.
That actually is not the hard part.
It really is what to do when you have it.
I've found that unless there is some sort of consequences people don't pay attention. So that is why I want to tie it to funding or to future news.
I also want to focus on the people who the news makers care about. The don't really care what the Pope says, he had a week here and no body asked him about torture, it was Priest sex all the time. I want to go to the people who are the "moral" leaders of the Bush administration to hear what they think.
People are still talking about this on MSNBC.
52% of Clinton voters said in exit polls they won't vote for Obama if he's the nominee.
52% of Clinton voters said in exit polls they won't vote for Obama if he's the nominee.
jeer
That 52% is the 100% of former Republicans or independents that were voting Republican in 2004. Looked at from that perspective, it should make John McCain go: "Oops! I crapped my pants!"
Imagine when the trolls are in the shadowy reeducation camps.
http://youtube.com/watch?
v=2L5cz...feature=related
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Trolls know that on election night they won't be here doing double back flips so they are getting their silly digs in while they still can. This will go on until a nominee is chosen. Then they will become less and less visible until they lose and we won't see them until after the inauguration of the Democratic president in 2009.
The group "Hate Hurts America" is using my techniques and methods and have been sued by Savage in San Francisco.
Someone should really write a book outlining those techniques and perhaps give details about their practical application in real-world settings.
Who, I wonder, could write such a worthwhile tome???
Someone should really write a book outlining those techniques and perhaps give details about their practical application in real-world settings.
Gaiii.
Gaiii.
Well, I admit, I'm feeling a little rosier than I was just yesterday at this time...
Obama outspent Clinton 2.5 to 1 in Pennsylvania and lost by a good margin, and you are mad at Hillary. The simple fact is that the voters of Pennsylvania saw through the Obama facade and decided they didn't like what was on the inside.
Well, I admit, I'm feeling a little rosier than I was just yesterday at this time...
dave™©
Totally teh gaiii!!!
Message from PA:
Even effete Dimocrats don't like a pussy-whipped man. Billary bitch-slapped Messiah Obama all over the Keystone State, and it's clear Michelle swallowed his cojones long ago...
hence: Billary 55 Messiah 45
only gonna get worse for the Pussy-whipped Messiah..
Hey Trademark Dave what bullet did you dodge?
Well, I admit, I'm feeling a little rosier than I was just yesterday at this time...
A good B&B?
Obama outspent Clinton 2.5 to 1 in Pennsylvania and lost by a good margin, and you are mad at Hillary. The simple fact is that the voters of Pennsylvania saw through the Obama facade and decided they didn't like what was on the inside.
Actually, he strategically did a great job at forcing Hillary to spend money to stop bleeding support.
...what bullet did you dodge?
A big fat financial bullet! It looked pretty grim for Yours Truly... and it's not a good night to be living on the street.
I have to mention this to Walter Neff, who often refers to himself as "the Bank of Dad." I was pulled out of the bullet's path thanks to the Bank of Dad - from beyond the grave!
Why bother to argue with Trolls?
Well I'm happy to hear it.
financial bullets are very scary. I know.
Why bother to argue with Trolls?
Duane V, Playing Snood | 04.23.08 - 2:39 am
Why troll?
(Flintstones' answer coming from animal that lives under the sink eating garbage. "It's a living."
Why bother to argue with Trolls?
Duane V,
And why are they celebrating? Don't they realize they have no chance of winning at all with Clinton?
Oh yeah. I forgot. They are stupid.
Night trademark Dave and everyone else.
Soon our long national nightmare will be over.
financial bullets are very scary. I know.
It kinda fucked up my big 5-0 bday weekend, that's for sure.
As it is, looks like my usual trip to watch the running of the Derby with some friends in Reno is out... but I'll make that trade.
Buenos aires, El Spocko.
Time for both of us to figure out how we're making that next million!
In 1934, Gus Hall went to Ohio's Mahoning Valley. Following the call for organizing in the steel industry, Hall was among a handful hired at a steel mill in Youngstown, Ohio. He was a founding organizer of the Steel Workers Organizing Committee (SWOC) and a leader of the 1937 “Little Steel” strike, so called because it was directed against Republic Steel, Bethlehem Steel and the Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company, as opposed to the industry giant U.S. Steel, which had previously entered into a contract with SWOC without a strike.
Well, I admit, I'm feeling a little Rosie...
Is that you Chris Matthews?
Wake up: Obama has serious negatives that are of his own making; Hillary didn't invent them. How could he spend 20+ years in a church with a racist pastor and then say he didn't know what was being preached from the pulpit? Could any other politician get away with this? How about lying about signing the gun control survey that said he wanted to ban the manufacture and sale of all handguns?
How about saying he opposed Nafta while his representative was Canada saying Obama supports Nafta?
How about saying religion and guns are crutches for bitter people? Is Hillary responsible for these disasters?
this may seem picky, but nytimes, wapo, cnn, and msnbc all bestow a "10 point win" to hrc over obama in pa. but the actual vote totals shown on their sites round to a 9 percent win. and the numbers on the official pa results site come out below 9 percent (though round to 9). 10/double digit win is a much better story for hrc. why let the facts get in the way of it?
message force multipliers.
Gus Hall was arrested for allegedly transporting bomb-making materials intended for Republic's plant in Warren, Ohio. Philip Murray, USWA founding president, once commented that Hall's leadership of the strike in Warren and Youngstown was a model of effective grassroots organizing.
The fact is that Obama will never be elected president. I suspect we've just seen the tip of the iceberg of his negatives. I think there is a 50% chance that some new information will surface that is so damning that he won't get the nomination.
Messiah GodDamnAmerica Obama:
Just too pussy-whipped for the Presidency
Goodness - these trolls are scared witless about the upcoming Democratic government.
Teh funny.
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The fact is that Obama will never be elected president.
How much do you want to bet?
message force multipliers.
notaboomer generation jones!
Is that you General McCaffrey?
the actual vote totals shown on their sites round to a 9 percent win. and the numbers on the official pa results site come out below 9 percent (though round to 9).
So how in the hell can everybody run around yelling "double - digit lead!!"
insane.
message force multipliers.
notaboomer generation jones!
Reads Pat Lang.
Busted!
The fact is that Obama will never be elected president
why do so many people think they know what will happen in the future?
lyndon johnson and jack kennedy will never, never consent to being on the ticket together. and the idea of lyndon johnson running in the vice presidential slot is too ridiculous to imagine
there.
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So how in the hell can everybody run around yelling "double - digit lead!!"
insane.
Duane V, Playing Snood | 04.23.08 - 2:56 am | #
looking at the numbers currently posted on msnbc, i get 54.7 vs 45.3
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A nine - point lead, is a single - digit lead. And with that, Hillary is two far behind Obama to ever catch up. It just won't happen. I wish Hillary would drop out already. Americans, racist or not, are going to have to accept that either they vote for a black guy, or they get four more years of Bush. The racists will vote for McCrazy, anyway. I just hope we don't get the president they deserve.
The fact is that McCain will never be elected president.
Fabricated your teepee.
Dukakis or Kerry could beat McCain.
Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton could beat McCain.
McCain will beat McCain.
So, Hillary's now casting herself as some sort of working class hero..Who buys this shit?
Good morning my fellow moonbats, liberfucks and chickenbeavers,
So, uh, I guess it's fair to say it's going to the convention?
Does that favour Hillary, since the Clintonites play dirtier?
why do so many people think they know what will happen in the future?
And why aren't they sending me tomorrow night's lottery numbers???
Make it $2.5 Million + $100!
OBAMA SHOULD GET OUT NOW!
And why aren't they sending me tomorrow night's lottery numbers???
dave™©
I think the Keith number on that being accurate is 99.99999035617
So, uh, I guess it's fair to say it's going to the convention?
my guess is that it will be decided in the middle of june, once everybody's had a chance to vote on it
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Oh, boy, the Hillarytrolls and Obamatrolls are here to ruin a morning.
Anyway, never mind any prediction I make. The only prediction I think I've ever gotten right is predicting that Robbie McEwen was going to win Stage 1 of last year's Tour de France, and that's because I had ridden the course and knew none of the big sprint teams could control it.
MonaL
Your candidate won't win. She can't. Obama's too far ahead.
because I had ridden the course and knew none of the big sprint teams could control it.
Saturday I was at trader Joe's buying Clif bars and a case of two buck chuck. told the checker I was training for watching the tour. He then said "that should get you through an out of category climb". Nice to have a neighborhood store where people share your interests and know the lingo.
OBAMA SHOULD GET OUT NOW!
THAT'S PRETTY FUCKING STUPID!
The fact is that a geriatric war-monger who is economically retarded and Dumbya's BFF will never be elected president.
Fucked your toupee.
I'm thinking that now may not be the right time to admit that I just bought a 4-stroke engine for my mountain bike...
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He then said "that should get you through an out of category climb".
That's a level of knowledge you don't expect from a cashier.
A nine - point lead, is a single - digit lead. And with that, Hillary is two far behind Obama to ever catch up. It just won't happen.
Duane V, Playing Snood | 04.23.08 - 3:00 am | #
(popular vote in the primaries...)
Without Florida, Michigan, and the four states with estimated totals, Obama leads Clinton by 717,086 votes, or 2.6% of all votes cast
http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwat...on-obama-
a.html
with approx. 99% of votes counted in PA, hillary gets 216,067 more than barack. 717,086 - 216,067 => barack is now leading by 501,029 popular votes, and there are, IIRC, 11 more states plus puerto rico that havn't voted yet.
just the facts, ma'am, just the facts...
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THAT'S PRETTY FUCKING STUPID!
NTodd, Sexist Pig
I LIKE TO SHOUT!
I prefer Obama, but will vote for HJillary should it come to that. No way can McCain be allowed to occupy the WH. I don't understand the vitriol being spat between the supporters of the two.
Sarah Deere | 04.23.08 - 1:24 am | #
But she started it! *sniff*
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OK, I actually have an assignment this morning and don't have to go hunting for work. If I get started now, I might actually have an afternoon free.
This is incredible
http://www.brightcove.tv/
title.j...itle=1438490562
This is where it is
http://www.brightcove.tv/
title.j...itle=1438490562
My dead ex-husband Ike could beat John McCain!!!!
Rolling!
Rolling!
Rolling on the river!
That's a level of knowledge you don't expect from a cashier.
To be fair, it is in Seattle.
just the facts, ma'am, just the facts...
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Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 3:13 am | #
Also, Hillary is much stronger in the crucially important category of threatening to nuke Iran.
This is central to my point.
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Also, Hillary is much stronger in the crucially important category of threatening to nuke Iran.
This is central to my point.
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ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 3:17 am | #
i tend to take political campaigns as a form of drama on teevee, and the current crop are exceeding my expectations in this regard
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Posted the same link twice.
This is where El Caminito del Rey (The kings pathway) is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Cam...aminito_del_Rey
And why aren't they sending me tomorrow night's lottery numbers???
dave™©
Because the pukes would howl like banshees and no one would watch me if I just came out and said that McCain hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of ever being preznit.
Hillary has to win 80% of the remaining delegates in order to win the nomination..
NaGaHaPa!
Hillary has to win 80% of the remaining delegates in order to win the nomination..
NaGaHaPa!
Duane V, Playing Snood | 04.23.08 - 3:24 am | #
to win the popular vote or delegates?
numbers?
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I LIKE TO SHOUT!
LOUD NOISES!
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
ev...Apr23.html#news
He's in Holland having a pot brownie for breakie
Obama turned me into a newt.
NTodd, I'm hitting the hay in a minute but will send you email first (from krittikas).
xxoo/sd
'night all - sweet dreams, no bedbugs.
nighty night, sarah...
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to win the popular vote or delegates?
numbers?
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Tacitus Voltaire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j...mericablog.com/
Holy FSM its 3:42 am and I got to slave at teh Borg salt mines again tomorrow.
I blame Mike Gravel, and I'll never forget.
NEVER!
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Here are the delegate totals as of 6 A.M. EST. They may change during the day as more results come in. Some of the news organizations have not updated their totals yet. As expected though, Obama's lead in delegates has hardly been dented. The AP has Obama 130 delegates ahead now. On May 6, North Carolina will choose most of its 134 delegates and Indiana will choose most of its 85 delegates. It is a given at this point, that Obama will win a sweeping victory in North Carolina and since it is larger than Indiana, even a landslide for Clinton will result in Obama having probably something like a 130-150 delegate lead on May 7. After that there just aren't enough states left for Clinton to catch up in the pledged delegates. It's going to be up to the superdelegates.
So you see, Hillary has already lost..
Why don't we call things like that, Chuck?
Tell them what they've won!
Fabulous prizes!
Anyone have 92 seconds for a video?
So you see, Hillary has already lost..
Duane V, Playing Snood
[Hillary lights cigar in smoke-filled backroom and knocks back a snifter of courvosier]
Seen on craigslist:
San Francisco Legal is SF’s leading litigation support firm. The company is growing rapidly in a dynamic, fast-changing industry. We serve the top law firms in the financial district. Locally owned and operated by two Stanford MBAs, the company has a consultative, hands-on approach to customer service. To support this philosophy, we work to foster strong relationships with our employees. We believe a happy, committed staff is the key to a successful business, and our low turnover rate is a testament to the wisdom of this strategy.
We have an exciting opportunity for a Director of First Impressions. Do you thrive on providing excellent customer service and making things happen? Are you excited about the opportunity to be the face of a company? Do you enjoy being indispensable? If so, keep reading….
In this role you will:
* Answer all incoming calls in a professional manner: Triage calls, clarify requests, and escalate issues appropriately.
* Gather and record all job/project information from clients.
* Dispatch Customer Service Representatives to clients’ sites.
* Generate accurate invoices.
So let's cut to the chase: Receptionist Wanted.
See how easy that was?
Anyone have 92 seconds for a video?
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 3:38 am | #
I did. Good on Amnesty I.
Damn those anti-human fickers.
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See how easy that was?
dave™©
Hilarious.
See how easy that was?
dave™© | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 3:39 am | # [kill][hide comment]
I wonder if they need a sanitary transfer technician, too?
I've got my own toilet brush and broom....
to win the popular vote or delegates?
Which one is important now to whom?
I seem to recall both candidates at various times insisting either one or the other was the only true measuring stick of who should get the nomination.
Really, it's getting pretty silly.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09
GW doesn't think that's torture. Where's the organ failure?
GW doesn't think that's torture. Where's the organ failure?
Duane V, Playing Snood
Always with the freaking details
Hilarious.
Reads like something from "The Office," doesn't it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j...mericablog.com/
Duane V, Playing Snood | 04.23.08 - 3:32 am | #
So you see, Hillary has already lost..
Duane V, Playing Snood | 04.23.08 - 3:35 am | #
so it's by delegates, then
but, winning in the popular vote would make a pretty convincing argument, dontcha think?
if this happens, the delegate count would be narrower as well. as it is, his lead is less than 5% in the delegates...
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Triage calls, clarify requests, and escalate issues appropriately.
Let me guess...it's an internship, but stick with it and there's a chance of stock options in the future.
I wonder if they need a sanitary transfer technician, too?
What was Norton's job on "The Honeymooners" called?
Let me guess...it's an internship, but stick with it and there's a chance of stock options in the future.
Actually, they're paying $16-18/hr, which I think probably isn't too bad for a receptionist... if it was anywhere but the Bay Area, you might even make a living at it!
Director of First Impressions
love it
borgspeak will kill us all...
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Really, it's getting pretty silly.
dave™© | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 3:44 am | #
elections are kabuki
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Note to self: At the next White House Dinner I attend, don't ask for an extra glass of water.
"if this happens, the delegate count would be narrower as well. as it is, his lead is less than 5% in the delegates..."
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Tacitus Voltaire
Hillary can't win. Obama will take Oregon, has a good chance to take North Carolina. The super - delegates will throw their support behind Obama, rather than risk a party - wide revolt.
Hillary can't win. Obama will take Oregon, has a good chance to take North Carolina. The super - delegates will throw their support behind Obama, rather than risk a party - wide revolt.
Duane V, Playing Snood | 04.23.08 - 3:54 am | #
you might be right
headed back to oakland now...
take care, all!
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Grrr. Just writing up instructions on a data import and discover new version doesn't work like the old version. Actually easier to do now, but now I've got out of date docs on it.
Note to self: At the next White House Dinner I attend, don't ask for an extra glass of water.
That's really great.
From dday at Hullabaloo: "Democrats forced a runoff, and came within a hair's breadth of winning, in a seat in the middle of Mississippi (MS-01) tonight, an R+10 seat"
Rachel Maddow mentioned "a guy named Atrios" just now. Something about coins and Friedman units?
That's really great.
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Its Bartcop, careful
NTodd
Did you see this? Kinda something you might like, experimental typography.
Here's the time lapse version.
Superdelegates are more likely to prefer candidates with Washington experience than outsider candidates.
Barry - neato!
Barry - neato!
NTodd, Sexist Pig
Yea, leave it to them old europeans to come up with something like that.
The nightmare: Clinton could still be the nominee. Then all the Obamaniacs will go to Nader who will choose Obama as a running mate.
Does anyone really think if Hillary had had the money to match Obama second-for-second on PA TV, she wouldn't have done so?
Go to Nader? Not credible, dear fool.
"What is past is prologue" dep't:
How Did Hillary Steal New Hampshire?
John Christian Ryder
January 25, 2008
Ask Congressman Dennis Kucinich [D-OH] who is paying for a "recount" of the electronic balloting in New Hampshire and he will likely tell you that the old Clinton shenanigans were taking place in the nation’s first primary. Staffers for Congressman Ron Paul [R-TX] will say the same thing, but laying the blame on Sen. John McCain rather than Hillary Clinton. But, in both instances, the name "Diebold" will pop up in the dialogue. According to the totals, Hillary Clinton won over Barack Obama 39.4% to 36.8%. When you examine the Diebold AccVote Optical-Scan voting machine count for each candidate, you discover that Hillary took 52.95% of the votes compared to 47.05% for Obama. However, when you examine the paper ballots, Obama took 52.93% of the votes compared to 47.07% for Hillary. By no stretch of the imagination can you make the argument that in all of the voting precincts where machines were used, Hillary actually won, and that Obama only won in the districts using paper ballots. It is more logical to assume that someone switched the names in the voting machine’s memory bank, and credited the Obama hits to Hillary and visa versa. Two things lend credence to that train of thought.
First, election officials in New Hampshire have confirmed that employees from LHS Associates—the programmers for Diebold’s AccVote Optical-Scan voting machines—were allowed to access vulnerable optical scan data systems throughout election day. Talk about a front row seat to who’s voting for whom. Second, every major pollster—and we are talking about the biggest and most important names in the public opinion field—ended up with egg on their faces in New Hampshire because every one of them—including those doing the exit polling—predicted that Clinton would lose to Obama. (It turns out that Hillary’s "human moment" in New Hampshire wasn’t due to "woman talk," but defeatism. When Hillary was caught by a photographer with a tearful gaze, staring off into space, its because she had just learned that every pollster in the country was awarding the night to Obama. I suspect Hillary was not at all sure the voting machines would be able to save the day.) In the days leading up to the primary, Obama led 41% to 28% in a USA Today-Gallop poll. Just before the primary a CNN poll gave Obama a 39% to 30% edge over the New York Senator. Fox News put the race at 32% to 28% for Obama. Every indicator—including the people who cast the votes—gave the win to Obama.
The pollsters were so shocked by missing the mark so bad it apparently did not dawn on any of them that someone might have been playing loosey-goosey with the voting machines. The explanation offered by the pollsters was that the voters were leaning this-a-way and that-a-way and just weren’t really locked in on Obama (even though they said they were) until they got into the voting booth.
http://www.truthnews.u
Some of them, I guess, weren’t even sure—even after they had cast their ballots—how they voted when they engaged in exit interviews. Or, maybe 20% or so of the voters lied to those doing the exit polls because they didn’t want to admit they would be stupid enough to vote for Hillary Clinton.
Here’s the hard and fast nitty-gritty. Take it to the bank. First, only 35% of those who call themselves Democrats will vote for Hillary. Fifty-two percent of all the total voter pool in the United States would rather poke out their eyes with a dirty stick than vote for her. That leaves 17% of the voters—mostly Reagan Democrats—that Hillary must convince (or at least 8% of them) that she really is a closet conservative. And then she has to hope that someone like Congressman Ron Paul or former Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan can be convinced to jump in as a third party candidate and drain off 10% to 12% of the vote—or that conservatives will be so disillusioned with the GOP choices that, once more, they will sit out the election and allow her to win the White House with a 42% mandate to govern as those voters did during the 2006 midterm election .
A preliminary investigation by election officials in New Hampshire revealed conflicting information concerning what was actually going on in the voting precincts that were using the AccVote Optical-Scan voting machines. There was a great deal of confusion from clerks in the precincts and officials in the Attorney General’s office regarding protocols and security procedures. The people on the ground couldn’t understand why the AccVote Optical-"Scan people needed to check the voting machines and the people in Concord had no established protocol to regulate what was happening on the ground. It does appear that the voting machines broke down quite often, or didn’t perform in a manner that made it easy for the voter to complete the task of casting his or her vote."
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1800
Norah O'Donell in stylish black maternity wear, regaled us with "exit polls" wherein voters rated themselves. I'm not at all sure the answers can be believed.
I'm gaii.
Is Tobes still gaiii?
Kucinich asks for New Hampshire recount in the interest of election integrity
DETROIT, MI – Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, the most outspoken advocate in the Presidential field and in Congress for election integrity, paper-ballot elections, and campaign finance reform, has sent a letter to the New Hampshire Secretary of State asking for a recount of Tuesday’s election because of “unexplained disparities between hand-counted ballots and machine-counted ballots.”
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He added, “Ever since the 2000 election – and even before – the American people have been losing faith in the belief that their votes were actually counted. This recount isn’t about who won 39% of 36% or even 1%. It’s about establishing whether 100% of the voters had 100% of their votes counted exactly the way they cast them.”
Kucinich, who drew about 1.4% of the New Hampshire Democratic primary vote, wrote, “This is not about my candidacy or any other individual candidacy. It is about the integrity of the election process.” No other Democratic candidate, he noted, has stepped forward to question or pursue the claims being made.
“New Hampshire is in the unique position to address – and, if so determined, rectify – these issues before they escalate into a massive, nationwide suspicion of the process by which Americans elect their President. Based on the controversies surrounding the Presidential elections in 2004 and 2000, New Hampshire is in a prime position to investigate possible irregularities and to issue findings for the benefit of the entire nation,” Kucinich wrote in his letter.
“Without an official recount, the voters of New Hampshire and the rest of the nation will never know whether there are flaws in our electoral system that need to be identified and addressed at this relatively early point in the Presidential nominating process,” said Kucinich
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5544
So, Kucinich asked for a recount months ago and nothing has happened since. By all means cut-and-paste more of this Earth-shattering non-news.
BLOGGED BY Brad Friedman ON 1/10/2008 2:47AM
Chris Matthews: Raw EXIT POLL Data 'Indicated Significant Victory' for Obama in NH
'Even Our Own Exit Polls, Taken as People Came Out of Voting, Showed Him Ahead'...
Even the Exit Polls showed that Obama should have won, according to Chris Matthews on Hardball today. It's the first specific indication that we've seen that the raw, unadjusted Exit Poll data, which only corporate mainstream media folks, not mere mortals, are allowed to see, confirmed pre-election polling which predicted an Obama win.
MATTHEWS: So what accounts for Hillary Clinton's victory in New Hampshire? What we don't know is why the victory is so much different in fact, then the polling ahead of time, including what we call the Exit Polls were telling us. Obama was ahead in those polls by an average of 8 points, and even our own Exit Polls, taken as people came out of voting, showed him ahead. So what's going on here?
Good question. And one that we asked, verbatim, all night long last night.
"Why were the polls taken, of people coming out of the booth, so off?," Matthews tries to ask his guests again and again. And again.
All of them twisted and turned and contorted and grappled and speculated, coming up with every possible unverifiable, backwards-engineered explanation, save for the one that must not be named. The 600 lb. canary in the virtual living room...the fact that no human being has bothered to check what was actually on NH's vast majority of ballots (80%) which were "counted" by error-prone, hackable Diebold optical-scan machines, all controlled by one bad, horribly irresponsible private company, who has no business being anywhere near a public election...
We've yet to see that raw Exit data ourselves, as mentioned. But we're working on it. Even while we're still working on getting the never-released raw data from 2004, when the Exit Polls were done then, as now, by Mitofsky/Edison.
(BTW: They disavow their own Exit Polling from 2004. So, naturally, the MSM news consortium hired the same folks to do the job again in 2008. Perhaps it was the company's apparently spot-on Exit Polling in Ukraine, in December of 2004, cited as evidence of fraud by George W. Bush and Colin Powell, that the challenger should have won, rather than the incumbant, as the election results announced, in contradiction of the Exit Polls...but don't get us started.)
And yet, as all the talking heads continue to use data from those post-election-adjusted Exit Polls, as speculative reasons why Clinton was announced the winner ("higher than expected female turnout" "voters who make less than $50k"), Politico's Roger Simon, at the end of the Hardball segment, asks the question about NH '08, that we've been asking about 2004 for years: "If the exit polls got the results wrong, why do we think they got the demographics right?"
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5535
By all means cut-and-paste more of this Earth-shattering non-news.
plantsman
It's not "non news"... Something smells rotten in Denmark...
Small margin that state law says people can protest vs large, poll-supported margin. Apples? Oranges? Hungry!
For anyone who might need a laugh. I did.
G'night . . .
I won't be posting anymore of it, but Brad Blog has done great work on the problems with the voting machines, and with the 2000 and 2004 elections. The numbers indicate something genuinely strange was going on.
Does this headline bode ill for the Mariners? "Putz activated from DL, Bedard scheduled to get Saturday start"
I hear they may call up schmuck from Tacoma.
Obama leads in the popular vote count, in the delegate count, and in states won. Hillary cannot catch him. It would defy statistical plausibility. It will be interesting to see the Clinton campaign try to convince the super - delegates to support her. They won't if she remains behind in delegates and popular votes.
From dday at Hullabaloo: "Democrats forced a runoff, and came within a hair's breadth of winning, in a seat in the middle of Mississippi (MS-01) tonight, an R+10 seat"
Anyone still calling himself a Republican needs to move to high ground before the November tsunami.
Taking the high ground, though, ain't their forte....
Agreed, Duane; mathematically it is not possible, just the kind of odds miracles wish for. I so wanted it to be over, and the Rove playbook retired -- but that hasn't happened.
North Carolina has been the home of some of the most despicable political TV spots ever televised, many of them ads for former Senator Jesse Helms.
Expect things to get nastier.
plantsman
I'm not looking forward to that anti Obama add the Repugs are premiering..
But will Republicans help Clinton by running their ad ahead of the Democratic primary?
Does this headline bode ill for the Mariners? "Putz activated from DL, Bedard scheduled to get Saturday start"
I hear they may call up schmuck from Tacoma.
MikeJ |
I hear the yankees might bring Shmendrick and Meshugeneh up from triple A..
The DNC's anti-McCain ad is not devastating, but it's solid work; highlighting how much at odds with reality McCain's ideas are.
But will Republicans help Clinton by running their ad ahead of the Democratic primary?
plantsman
Why not? They know she won't win..They may as well help to fuel her campaign, and give her ammunition to wear Obama down with before the general..
highlighting how much at odds with reality McCain's ideas are
Not a hard thing to do..
I think I'd better try to sleep for an hour or so..See you later, plantsman..
I may have to try to sleep myself. Not sure I can face the morrow.
Why not? They know she won't win..They may as well help to fuel her campaign
Somebody will run anti-Obama ads, but the RNC doesn't have the cash. Nor does McCain. Or Clinton.
Maybe Richard Mellon Scaife.
once again white trash dems defeat brie and chesse dems and the warmongering ny times cant stand it.
what a mixed up world.
Spring is finally here.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/nVEdMqKA.jpg
poor little markos, with all the money and charm precious couldnt pull it off. we poor white trash love it.
Very nice, Ralphie.
Hillary still hasn't won the nomination, nor is it likely she will. Don't get too puffed-up by your "achievement."
Morning peeps.
People around here put in their annuals weeks ago. I was kind of surprised but figured they knew what they were doing.
Hilldick is aptly named.
All PA proved was that the party is almost evenly divided.
http://www.rgemonitor.com/setser...urrency-losses/
Brad Setser notes the Chinese are starting to make noises about the decline in the value of the US dollar and the value of their huge foreign reserves.
Voters are fed up with attacks by slimy innuendo, which fooled them last election and gave them another four years of a guy they hate worse than Nixon.
If that's all they have on Obama, it's going to backfire.
Our "last average frost date" was around the end of March. Last weekend snow was predicted. It's not always easy to know when to plant.
What ql said. It's very true. Nobody mentions that RuPaul and Huckleberry won quite a few votes against a guy who already won the nomination. No division there.
On a brighter note, the fuchsias I figured I'd lose to cold are pushing new growth from the base, so that's one less pot to have to fill.
Soon we will have plenty of these around. My favorite type of flower. Nobody plants them, nobody has to take care of them.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/huboOrhm.jpg
So if they DNA-test all the FLDS kids, it seems they'd have to DNA test all the adults to match and determine parentage. What a drawn-out, messy situation that will be.
Trillium. They thrive here too, and multiply.
Ralphie, along with the trilliums come also the Columbia lilies (L. columbiana) and the day-lilies (Maianthemum dilatatum) and the rhododendrons (R. occidentale), at least all along highway 101 in OR and CA.
Spectacular show, and all natural...
Trillium are illegal to pick here. Every year some clowns get caught trying to dig them up and transplant to their own little nature preserves. Never works. Their ecology is hard to reproduce.
In CA the California poppies (Eschscholtzia) should be up all over the place too by now.
All PA proved was that the party is almost evenly divided
I'm beginning to think everything is evenly divided. Whether a nomination or the general, it seems "a landslide" is no longer possible.
Yeah it should be illegal. They grow from a bulb, and it takes several years for the bulb to grow to the stage where the plan is ready to flower. Taking the bulb means you're taking at least 5 years of growth. That's true of most wild lilies.
Trillium are very sensitive to being moved when they're actively growing, although transplanting from container-grown ones can be accomplished.
There's a place (or was) down near Pleasant Hill, OR; Trillium Gardens that offers many varieties for sale.
el, probably pie in the sky, but if they combined I think it would be a landslide in the g.e.
The press will help McCain in every way they can. As I see it, that is all that will prevent a landslide.
The press will help McCain in every way they can. As I see it, that is all that will prevent a landslide.
Yeah it must be nice to have the American press as your own personal media. When is the last time a democrat could say that, JFK?
The press in Arizona (controlled by Dan Quayle's grandfather Eugene Pulliam ) were not at all fond of Kennedy, iirc.
It looks like Hill's toughness paid off, but if she stopped short of smears, she could probably get even greater benefit, stop losing people like Robert Raish who are disgusted and horrified by her tactics.
The Willie Horton ad (Osama) was truly revolting and unnecessary.
Just watch, the thugs won't need to Swiftboat anything, they can just pick up Hill's attack line.
I was pretty young but I don't remember JFK having the kind of adolators in the press as McCain. Lot's of people and editorial boards hated him, after all, he was assassinated. I do remember that.
ql, if anyone is going to be combined, it will probably be Edwards, doncha think he would be easier to graft onto a ticket than either of them?
He's certainly kept his powder dry, not throwing support either way.
MSNBC mentioned that Elizabeth Edwards may stump for Clinton in NC, but claimed John would stay neutral -- though I have no idea how they'd know.
I think Obama may pick Edwards. Too liberal for Hillary.
I'm not at all sure Edwards would accept a VP slot from either candidate; Evan Bayh seems attached at the hip to Clinton, and she might need him to make the difference in IN -- I can't parse who's on Obama's "short list" of VP possibles.
if she stopped short of smears, she could probably get even greater benefit, stop losing people like Robert Raish
Did you mean Reich? Ain't no way he was ever gonna endorse Clinton, at least in a primary. The bad blood goes back to the 90's.
I can't parse who's on Obama's "short list" of VP possibles.
I've heard Janet Napolitano's name kicked around, as well as Richardson.
Beats me who he'll go with though. Not to sound too cynical, I'd guess he won't pick an Hispanic veep, simply because the Republicans are already delivering those votes to the Dems. That may mean he'll pick somebody that could more directly help with a different demo.
The largest Hispanic group still in play is the Puerto Ricans, who by all accounts favor Hillary.
Obama/Webb
Obama/Webb
Nothing but the facts.
i think it will probably be obama/clinton when all is said and done...
Good morning.
I just want this to end.
hi honeybear...
Clinton would not accept a vice presidency. It.s not in her nature.
hi fokowi
I don't know about that.
He really doesn't need her.
Just go away Hillary, please.
I don't know why any one would pick Clinton as veep anyway. After running on the slogan "ready to serve on day one", picking her would be a tacit admission you needed her "experience". I'll bet Michelle would rather just call her with any questions she has.
the conversation will go all the way to denver.
if we can't survive the process we deserve to lose in november...
Morning, kids.
If both of them were beating up on McBombBomb I wouldn't mind it going all the way.
But they're beating up on each other and he's just sleepwalking through the whole thing. While the press is in adoration mode.
Ah, at least we have a barkeep now.
The largest Hispanic group still in play is the Puerto Ricans, who by all accounts favor Hillary.
Lancaster, with a large Puerto Rican population, seems to have gone for Obama.
The county as a whole went for him 54-46, and I don't have any numbers for the city but it's hard for me to see how it could have gone against that trend.
I meant Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico, whose Governor (under investigation for corruption) is an Obama supporter -- But the Clintons have a solid base of support there.
Clinton's speech, with her supporters changing "yes, SHE can".
If Obama can't win, maybe she can become him.
I gotta say, I'm weirded out by the results. I seem to be living in a different country.
As was repeated ad nauseam last night it's the old, uneducated, white wimmin that are the problem. If we would just go away the whole thing would be decided.
The one poll that's been run in Puerto Rico says 50-37 for Hillary. 800 registered voters, poll ended 4/5.
I gotta say, I'm weirded out by the results. I seem to be living in a different country.
Don't let Das mimi know.
If the people who thought the AUMF was moronic went away Clinton would have been beatified already.
Don't let Das mimi know.
Oh Noes!!!!!
I gave you kids sheets.
The "nuke Iran" thing is just so over the top.
Really, has any US president actually threatened to use nuclear weapons, in a public way, like that?
I have a feeling McCain wouldn't wait for them to attack Israel. He'd probably wait to put on a fresh diaper first, but still.
I approve of what Hillary said about Iran. so it's perfectly fine for Iran to Nuke Israel and Obama will still have Ahmedinijad over for tea? just another reason why this Dem can't support Obama. Is that the Obama platform? Do nothing if Israel is nuked?
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