I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Thoid!
I called sheets, btw.
Don't let the riff-raff into our nice clean thread!
The doesn't explain Kids in the Hall, though.
reset from below - rant on!
if these stupid bastards in DC can't figure out that letting the autos crater is not in our best interests as a nation, I hope the resulting implosion in our manufacturing base creates a singularity point that pulls the whole world in - which it will. as for us in the mitten, we're fucked plain and simple. the current estimate for just one Auto BK is a chain reaction with a 475K job loss in 3 years (in MI alone), $30-60B in wealth destruction, et al. good night irene. time to gtfo...
About 3% towards solvency, today!
Thank you, Noam Sane!
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apparently, not many. I think the interesting thing in all of this: this move will only inflame the opposition to this Bozo.
Kind of like the rich kid who always wants to be the pitcher or he will take his ball and go home . . . .
Read the snip again. The Governor General is the head of state. The titular head of government in Canada. She did have the power to do what she did.
Harper leads the Conservative Party, which as leader of it he became Prime Minister, leader of the governing party.
vicki can haz mail
I wish we had a parliamentary form of government. The chimp would've been gone years ago!
Don't let the riff-raff into our nice clean thread!
The Kenosha Kid
i just splooged on your clean sheets.
Not that the powers exist, but that the head of government would ask that they be used.
Overheard: Bush asking Cheney, "Can't we do that?"
Cheney responded, "We could, numbskull, but we already got our trillion."
I've been dealing with this all day. I'm going to bed. Later, all.
ded thred ed:
Many of the buildings of the pre-auto era are designed to awe and humble the masses.
Jumping in late, so forgive me if this point has been made:
Many pre-auto structures, such as the great cathedrals, were the product of the labor of the masses. Damn near the entire city went to work on a cathedral. It was a point of civic pride, a symbol of their collective devotion. There's nothing like that today.
(OTOH, Versailles and the pyramids seem to have been built to rub the masses' collective nose in it. Kind of like, say, Trump Tower.)
My favorite song seems appropriate right now:
"Oh Canada"
Not really comforting to see that our homegrown wingnuts are not the only ones who openly disapprove of the whole democracy idea.
fucking queen.
Killer queen. Dynamite with a laser beam.
Kidnap,
Thanks!
Sounds delicious...except for that "one" ingredient.
My granny used to make all her pies with the "l" word, so I'm pretty sure your turnovers are wonderful.
Off with his head!
"Queen of the Harpies! Queen of the Harpies!"
George Clinton as the head of Parliament, now that was a government!
Just read about the bride getting pulled out by a wave and dying during a wedding ceremony.
Couldn't help but recall the day an under tow caught the two of us and almost left a 4yo parentless. Fuck the ocean!
I wake up at 2am many nights and have to shake that one off, still.
Harper has just insured that his party of fuckheads will be banished to the wilderness for a generation.
Sort of like what our fuckhead has done to the GOP.
vicki
they were wonderful
i am going to make them anyway, in her memory
if an estates general is called, there will only be trouble
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meanwhile in hockey news . . .
http://deadspin.com/5102102/
George Clinton as the head of Parliament, now that was a government!
His sacred mission, to save dance music from the Blacks.
$ make clean
$ make
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George Clinton as the head of Parliament,
hard as steel and steel getting harder
(OTOH, Versailles and the pyramids seem to have been built to rub the masses' collective nose in it. Kind of like, say, Trump Tower.)
dan mcenroe
When my friend took me to see Trump Tower I embarrassed him because I was laughing so hard on the elevator. To me it was the equivalent of one of those midlife crisis guys with the clunky gold chain around his neck.
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we want to save the american auto companies, but how many of us drive u.s. cars?
i drive a honda
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He's my question. What is the deal with the hating on the auto industry?
What did they ever do to people besides give them what they wanted, big ol' gas guzzling SUVs? And those things made BUCKETS of money for the industry too.
i drive a honda
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tacitus voltage | 12.04.08 - 10:26 pm | #
I don't want to save the car companies, just the jobs. there isn't a single CEO in that racket worth even 1% of what he's making.
Everyone's seen the Atlantis in Dubai, right?
I think it rivals anything w/ Trump's name on it.
"Unprecedented". How many times has that word appeared in the last 10 years. It's the Rove era all over the world.
ok kids done desecrating the tree and this xmas music is making me want to pull my own head off (duane), so sleep in heavenly peace.
i want to buy an electric studebaker or packard
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I think that HRM will regret using this power.
I'll drive a US car when it is of the same quality and value as my Toyota. Why in the geezly fuck should I feel loyalty to an industry that pays $50 million to an idiot CEO just so he can run the cmpany into the ground?
I think it rivals anything w/ Trump's name on it.
AndyMN | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 10:28 pm
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Hi! I have more money than God. What should I build?
Everyone's seen the Atlantis in Dubai, right?
Isn't that the one in the Bahamas? Or do they look the same?
"nother driveby, checking out the gutted and rebuilt HP. Guessing how many minutes until the display goes to crap. Again.
So, Harper pulls it off with the able assistance of another entitled one. Comme se dit? Quell surprise!
i want to buy an electric studebaker or packard
Waiting for my hybrid mini.
Cool. My son's house is in a photo in the NYT today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/
0...middlebury.html
It's the house on the left, on the far side of the road. Bottom right window is his bedroom.
(You will be shocked to learn that this neighborhood is not served by supertrains, or even light rail)
I think it rivals anything w/ Trump's name on it.
AndyMN
I will not part with my Moller International vehicle.
Everyone's seen the Atlantis in Dubai, right?
Very nice, but if you think about it, there's not a damned thing there that you can't get in Branson, Missouri. Why travel all the way to Dubai?
there's not a damned thing there that you can't get in Branson, Missouri. Why travel all the way to Dubai?
Doc | 12.04.08 - 10:31 pm | #
So you don't have to be with the assholes in Branson. You want to be with the assholes in Dubai, these days.
I must admit that my most recent American car was a 1962 Rambler American convertible.
Now driving a Honda.
I will not part with my Moller International vehicle.
The Kenosha Kid
Bastard. You actually have a flying car!
I'll drive a US car when it is of the same quality and value as my Toyota. Why in the geezly fuck should I feel loyalty to an industry that pays $50 million to an idiot CEO just so he can run the cmpany into the ground?
Doc
I'll agree to the De Troit bailout when ALL management at the Big^W Remaining Three take union scale as compensation.
Very nice, but if you think about it, there's not a damned thing there that you can't get in Branson, Missouri. Why travel all the way to Dubai?
Less neon and Tony Orlando.
For an easy explanation of Canada's parliamentary system:
http://www.yarnharlot.ca/blog/
ar..._in_canada.html
I'll agree to the De Troit bailout when ALL management at the Big^W Remaining Three take union scale as compensation.
minusp
$73 an hour?
What did they ever do to people besides give them what they wanted, big ol' gas guzzling SUVs?
That's what the republics, the monied class, the selfish 27% wanted. The rest of us wanted something with great mileage. I bought Subaru in the '80's when I was supposed to buy American because they were doing it then and have continued. Higher profit margin donchaknow. And look at the long waiting lists for hybrids/electric cars. They suck.
De Troit
bouf sur le troit
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I'll drive a US car when it is of the same quality and value as my Toyota. Why in the geezly fuck should I feel loyalty to an industry that pays $50 million to an idiot CEO just so he can run the cmpany into the ground?
Doc
Well now: Consumer Reports has said publically that Ford's Automobiles and trucks are as good as any the Japanese make.
As for value? I am pretty certain you can get a comparable Ford for less.
But prejudice is an odd thing and you probably do not believe what I just wrote.
But, this being the internets and all: here's a quote and a link.
YONKERS, N.Y., Oct. 16 (UPI) -- Ford Motor Co. (NYSE:F) has improved its car and truck quality while Japan's Toyota Motor Co. (NYSE:TM) slipped from the No. 1 spot, a Consumer Reports survey indicated Tuesday.
Forty-one of Ford's 44 models scored average or better in predicted reliability, the consumer-advocacy magazine said.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News...58411192592033/
$73 an hour?
dan mcenroe | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 10:34 pm | #
that's way too much. those assholes don't do any fucking work.
"I'm Karl Rove, the most powerful person on the planet. I got the President and the VP of the USA cover for me. I am one of history's actors. Some of you have been talking about getting me in trouble with some kind of legal action. You will fail. Name someone more powerful that me? The constitution has been subverted for me?
Nobody can touch me. I'm going to spend the rest of my life rubbing my flaunting of the laws in your face. Enjoy!"
I just got back from the David Byrne show. The dancers were fun and "help me somebody" from "the bush of ghosts" was worth the ticket.
Less neon and Tony Orlando.
AndyMN
There's not an Arab equivalent?
OK, just got the VPU unable to recover hardware control err...
Next is the tapestry display, loverly. Obviously this POS HP has a problem.
DWD, I hear ya - but it wasn't that long ago that Ford stood for Found On Road Dead. They're gonna need years to shake that rep, and I don't think they have years.
Rove-ism: upwardly-mobile amorality. See rat-fucking, CIA/drug-cartels, SCOTUS in re Gore v Bush, QE-II v the people of Canada. We're all just props to occupy their minds.
that's way too much. those assholes don't do any fucking work.
ronjazz
I sincerely hope you are jesting because otherwise I would have to . . . .
Forty-one of Ford's 44 models scored average or better in predicted reliability, the consumer-advocacy magazine said.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News...58411192592033/
DWD-S☮S | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 10:35 pm | #
That was Then. This is Now.
Nobody can touch me. I'm going to spend the rest of my life rubbing my flaunting of the laws in your face. Enjoy!"
Yeah, well, I never got beat up by a girl.
I just got back from the David Byrne show. The dancers were fun and "help me somebody" from "the bush of ghosts" was worth the ticket.
Cougarhutch on ipod
Wish I had been there...
I sincerely hope you are jesting because otherwise I would have to . . . .
DWD-S☮S | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 10:36 pm | #
I was referring to an earlier post, about the CEO's. The workers should get at least $73 an hour. That's serious work.
DWD, I hear ya - but it wasn't that long ago that Ford stood for Found On Road Dead. They're gonna need years to shake that rep, and I don't think they have years.
dan mcenroe
NOT if people will simply lose their bias. I have been driving a Ford for a decade. The hockey van now has 180,000 miles and I have never had any repairs other than maintenance. The car is 1997. (Contrarily I have spent a greater amount on my Honda.)
Been spanked by a few women, but never beat up by a girl.
why won't ford give the people what they want?
why?
rubbing my flaunting
rub your own flaunting
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What did they ever do to people besides give them what they wanted, big ol' gas guzzling SUVs? And those things made BUCKETS of money for the industry too.
spoc kobama
I grew up in the car industry, and I guess I see it differently. From Harley Earl chrome-clad behemoths, through DeLorean and the muscle cars right up to the suvs, it's been all about the marketing.
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I was referring to an earlier post, about the CEO's. The workers should get at least $73 an hour. That's serious work.
ronjazz
I thought as much. I am retired UAW (and proud) and I can testify that there are no "easy" jobs in these places. They tend to go from crap to holy crap - how am I supposed to that?
Before I retired they eliminated three jobs and combined them into one. You could not even scratch your ass and still get done.
As for value? I am pretty certain you can get a comparable Ford for less.
But prejudice is an odd thing and you probably do not believe what I just wrote.
Ok you've got me. How about I just get to spend my own fucking money on what I fucking well please? And I still haven't seen anything on a Ford lot that gets the mileage and has the reliability of my Celica, not to mention the styling. Plus, there's the small factor of not believing that the management of Ford is worthy of support.
I don't care to have my consumer choices labelled "prejudice".
I just got back from the David Byrne show. The dancers were fun and "help me somebody" from "the bush of ghosts" was worth the ticket.
at the Strand in York? Damn, I wanted to be there...but hard to spend $50 on frivolity these days.
Let me be the next to say:
O Canada!
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Ford doesn't make a car I would interested in driving. it's been that way a long, long time. A van by Ford may be a great van, but if you drive a lot, and would like to enjoy the experience Ford really has nothing except maybe the Lincoln.
why won't ford give the people what they want?
why?
ErinPDX
What do you want? They seem to have about everything. Bringing the KA and the Festiva from Europe will strengthen their small cars. Hell, even their full-sized pickup is offering gasoline mileage of 21 MPG.
but hard to spend $50 on frivolity these days.
Haven't been to concert in ages for that very reason. Two tix plus a sitter? I should get my own groupie to bring home for that kind of cash.
That was Then. This is Now.
ronjazz
I grew up on Fords, it was The Only Way, then. Much later, I bought a '93 Escort, new. What. A. Piece. Of. Crap. My exposure to FMC products since has been only through rentals, and my opinion has not changed. You will pry my Prius from my cold dead... anyway, the sad thing is that Ford is still the best of the USian manufacturers.
Not a good global position, imho.
This is tiresome. In all honesty I cannot see why people are being so rude about a bridge bailout that is like twenty per cent of what has been spent on the banks. And they do not employ people the way that the car companies and their suppliers do.
Yet we hand over 300Billion to Citibank?
WTF?
Who among us does not enjoy thier ford automobile?
I've had my '95 Escort wagon for about nine years. It gets over 30mpg around town- up to 40 in the summer (not sure why).
It's comfortabe, reliable, and cheap. And what thanks did Ford get for producing this gem?
Bringing the KA and the Festiva from Europe will strengthen their small cars.
I know several people in Sweden who swear by their Fords. The KA is actually very nice, and it would be very competitive with, say, the Honda Fit.
Yet we hand over 300Billion to Citibank?
WTF?
DWD-S☮S | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 10:44 pm | #
You think anyone likes that? C'mon.
I had a couple of Escorts, the second was a GT model that i bought around '88, and it was a great car. But then I had a Mazda that died at 120K.
I'm a Subaru driver these days.
I've never owned a Ford. Plenty of GMs...I like that they're (mostly) easier to fix than other cars.
Then again, I've never owned a new car. We've got an '06 Mazda that we bought earlier this year that I like driving. Then again, until this year, I hadn't driven in eight years.
Might be worth your time to read. Or not. I cannot fight prejudice. And that is exactly what some people have.
Fine. I own a foreign car and three American Cars. They are all good cars.
But to say you KNOW everything Ford sells threatens credulity. They have introduced a lot of new models. A lot. (probably too many)
Hell, even their full-sized pickup is offering gasoline mileage of 21 MPG.
DWD, it still has to be higher. Much higher.
All three of the Detroit Three need to retool and come back with green ideas.
If ever there was a time when it could and should happen, it is now.
And what thanks did Ford get for producing this gem?
They'd already bugfucked the car's reputation by retaining a valve design that was notorious for breakage. The early versions had a composite cam timing belt that broke mere instants past the recommended replacement schedule, and the valve design meant that the valves crashed against the pistons, and, snap, instant garbage instead of an engine.
This was later corrected, but not before the car's reputation was ruined....
TPM quotes Barney Frank: "[Obama's] going to have to be more assertive than he's been. At a time of great crisis with mortgage foreclosures and autos, he says we only have one president at a time. I'm afraid that overstates the number of presidents we have."
Here's the link. It explains the reason for the bailout better than I can.
DEAR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS:
You don't want an economic disaster on your hands. Not when you could have prevented it. And not in times that are already the worst in a generation
http://www.freep.com/article/200...ION01/
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why won't ford give the people what they want?
In very many ways, Ford has been doing just exactly that. For too long, gas has been cheap and Americans have been enamored with "bigger is better." Spoiled, even. Sure, there are those DFH's who listened to Jimmy Carter who knew better, but the vast majority of WalMart shopping, Big Mac eating, American Idol watching America was completely fucking happy with big honking SUVs and "luxury" vehicles that get eight miles a gallon. And then, gas approached $5 a gallon and everyone freaked the fuck out and wants change NOW. Not to say that the Big 3 weren't complicit in their advertising, and that their management shouldn't have been more insightful into the fact that,yes, one day it would end, but we are where we are. So, now that we've all sobered up a bit, I really don't have a problem with LOANING them some money to get their collective shit together and save a few million jobs, including my own.
BTW, we own two Fords (a '94 Ranger & a '98 Mustang) and both run fine and are in good shape. We also own a 2006 Jeep that we bought used and haven't had any problems with.
DWD,
I do want to bail them out, but with a good plan. Not more of the same.
Because we haul kids and equipment, we've had a couple of Ford vans and have liked them just fine.
What pisses me off the most about all this is we've known all of these things since at least the 1970's if not before, and corporate america has given us the finger. We knew we were killing the planet, knew that healthcare costs/the system were royally screwed up, knew that we needed smaller more fuel efficient vehicles, knew we needed to have well planned mass transit and urban planning (see Oregon/Tom McCall), knew we needed to watch out for globalization, knew that small businesses provide jobs while stinking corps were getting too big to fail.
I'll tell you what thanks Ford gets- cheap-ass drivers like me keep the car for ten years!
No profit in that.
[Obama's] going to have to be more assertive than he's been.
Maybe when he actually has presidential powers, he can work on that.
Obama needs to buy a Ford.
Good evening.
[Obama's] going to have to be more assertive than he's been. At a time of great crisis with mortgage foreclosures and autos, he says we only have one president at a time. I'm afraid that overstates the number of presidents we have."
For someone who's on the Finance Committee, Frank's got a math comprehension problem.
Key-riest.
Obama needs to buy a Ford.
ronjazz
I read he has a Ford Hybrid SUV
I read he has a Ford Hybrid SUV
noblejoanie | 12.04.08 - 10:52 pm | #
Fuckin' hippie.
DWD, it still has to be higher. Much higher.
All three of the Detroit Three need to retool and come back with green ideas.
If ever there was a time when it could and should happen, it is now.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Actually, that is damned good for a full sized truck. Probably close to double the milage they used to get. And some people - farmers, workers, and others need the size.
In my research I found an article that talked to a Ford Dealer in Nebraska. His dealership sells 2500 pick-ups a year and his sales were great and his review of the new truck was amazing.
(But as for the jackoffs running around town in their jacked up pick-ups? Well F them. My friend Paul said this once, "Not all people who drive pick-up trucks are assholes, but eventually all assholes will drive pick-ups."
It's comfortabe, reliable, and cheap. And what thanks did Ford get for producing this gem?
Cougarhutch on ipod
Luck of the draw... mine was an atrocious POS, had electrical problems from mile one (ate a headlight every 250 mi +/-, charging problems, wiring harness in back would short out and kill the engine), couldn't hold alignment, NOISY, and the dealer finally erased all record of the car from the computers, claiming they had never seen it. Then informed us "I don't like to see my customers unhappy, so you should just leave."
For the record, the now defunct Stan Martin Ford in Hudson, NY. Stan Martin personally. Suck on it, Stan, it's not the first time I've told this story.
I'm willing to help the auto industry. But for the workers' sake. I don't want a deal that keeps the same mindset in management. I mean, which one has the new CEO that used to be with Boeing? That can't be a car guy, it's gotta be a finance guy.
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I think Frank's just trying to say that the public needs a more reassuring figure than Bush right now.
Bush has been largely invisible, and every time he's popped up we've all wished he hadn't.
I guess I'm just a little puzzled as to how a company that has apparently been doing such a wonderful job is in need of a huge bailout right now or we hit another great Depression.
I'm in complete support of a bailout that protects the jobs of the workers, but there needs to be some serious accountability and reform attached. And yes, taxpayers have a right to demand reform from private corporations if they're showing up with their hands out.
What would you do, if asked, to pull off the greatest heist in history? Do what's worked before. Steal history... Make the biggest economy in the world into a bust out. Rove-ism. It started before most of you were in junior high. Bush I. Before we started numbering them.
Actually, that is damned good for a full sized truck. Probably close to double the milage they used to get. And some people - farmers, workers, and others need the size.
I get that, but it needs to be better. I needs to be much better. I am serious. I don't mean to offend, but we have the capacity and the intelligence to do this the right way.
I mean, which one has the new CEO that used to be with Boeing? That can't be a car guy, it's gotta be a finance guy.
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Sparkle Plenty
That would be Ford and most people think they have the best of the group.
I agree: I would like to see gasoline prices stay high, by taxes if necessary so that we can provide a decent ground level mass transit system and to encourage thrift with gas.
But you cannot throw millions of people out of work. Just cannot
I think Barney's pointing out the Elvis has already left the building. Bush is a fucking hologram. What a clueless dipshit. I can see it now, some AEI flunky bringing him a bill to sign, telling him it will fuck up the liberals, and laughs and signs it without reading it.
Little by little, getting things back together. Not having a firewire port kinda sucks though.
I mean, which one has the new CEO that used to be with Boeing? That can't be a car guy, it's gotta be a finance guy.
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Sparkle Plenty
The esteemed Mr. Nardelli, having failed at Home Depot, is now running Chrysler, and is overpaid at $1 per year.
To reiterate, if management is willing to accept scale (realizing seniority/ time in) as remuneration, or no more than 4x, I'd say give 'em a chance.
But you cannot throw millions of people out of work. Just cannot
You're right. But let's shift those jobs to green energy jobs.
It'll happen, anyway. We will be in a depression within 9 months.
I think Frank's just trying to say that the public needs a more reassuring figure than Bush right now.
Bush has been largely invisible, and every time he's popped up we've all wished he hadn't.
Obama's had a press conference almost every day for the last week. Is that what Frank's referring to?
To reiterate, if management is willing to accept scale (realizing seniority/ time in) as remuneration, or no more than 4x, I'd say give 'em a chance.
minusp | 12.04.08 - 10:57 pm | #
Really?
Hmm.
I think firing squad.
I think Frank's just trying to say that the public needs a more reassuring figure than Bush right now.
Bush is reassuring in the same sense that a guy in a red shirt on Star Trek will return to the Enterprise safe and sound.
i mean for pete's sake dwd i drive a tbird right now
Obama's had a press conference almost every day for the last week. Is that what Frank's referring to?
I think what he meant that Obama said we have one President at a time, and right now, that's Bush. Barney Frank doesn't seem to think that Bush is much of a President.
Sigh.
i mean for pete's sake dwd i drive a tbird right now
ErinPDX
And she has fun fun fun. At least until, well, you know.
The esteemed Mr. Nardelli, having failed at Home Depot, is now running Chrysler, and is overpaid at $1 per year.
Upsidasium
I figured out today that if that jerk at Ford is really making $50 million a year in total compensation, that works out to roughly $17,000 an hour if he's putting in 60 hours a week.
Is that an underestimate of his work time? Double it. If he actually works 120 hours a week he's making around $8500 an hour.
But you cannot throw millions of people out of work. Just cannot
Sure you can.
There will be consequences for allowing it to happen, but you can do it.
Might not be good for the bankster/professional thief class, though.
Mulally is no dummy. But all these CEOs are set for life, no matter what happens to the companies. For the working people who depend on the auto industry to pay their bills from month to month, not so much. So to me it seems the CEOs don't have the same motivation to succeed.
DWD -- I say give 'em the money, then watch over them and make 'em retool management, not just the manufacturing end of things.
Really, by the 60s the writing was on the wall but Detroit kept doing the new model breakout thing, planned obsolescence while it was clear younger drivers especially were going for foreign car engineering and didn't need a car every 3 years that looked like the next big thing.
How long did it take Detroit to switch to front wheel drive, for pete's sake?
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Sorry to hear about that. You're right of course, there are big variations in quality within a run. Mine had some cooling and brake problems, but they were repaired by my mechanic.
I think the design was pretty good all around. The execution? Could have been improved upon.
But then, the cost of repairing a Ford is a bunch lower than a Subaru, ya know?
Bush is reassuring in the same sense that a guy in a red shirt on Star Trek will return to the Enterprise safe and sound.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
The guy in the red shirt is a very reassuring sight to everyone in a blue or gold shirt.
Stephen King's Top CDs of the Year. (I have 5 of the same, so one of us has taste, or not....)
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/
0,,...0243195,00.html
I figured out today that if that jerk at Ford is really making $50 million a year in total compensation, that works out to roughly $17,000 an hour if he's putting in 60 hours a week.
It's probably less than 60 hours a week on average. These guys think that working hard for a few days deserves jetting off for a long golf weekend to recharge....
They gotta stay in top form, y'know....
I understand Frank's eluding to Bush. His BS on Obama is stupid.
Like I said, all the guy (Obama) does right now is talk about this...and he's obviously limited in what he can do.
Barney needs to back off.
James is still recording? Who knew?
I think firing squad.
ronjazz
Think some more about it, it wouldn't be much different.
Take it or leave it.
Damned if you do...
I try to meme, therefore I guess I wank. Let's not discuss this anymore--the subject being "Rove-ism" as distinct from "McCarthyism" which is apparently not what we all thought it was but even more sinister. It lost the hyphen for one thing. But it's more essential that topics devolve. /wank
James is still recording? Who knew?
The band? Or some guy named 'James'?
this bed is on fire, with passionate love...
No. Not really.
There's a FDL post about white supremacist D. Black.
Barney needs to back off.
I agree that there's not much Obama can do until he takes office, but I have no problem whatsoever with Barney Frank, or anyone else, loudly and tenaciously pushing Obama to aggressively implement major policy change ASAP, as long as he's got Obama's back when he actually tries to do it. It's his job. And ours.
Yes, exactly, AndyMN, the band. Was #10 on the list.
No In Rainbows?
Barney is painfully aware that the push to the left needs to be long, loud and constant.
I drive an American car, a Dodge Charger. The engine was made in Mexico, the transmission in Germany, and it was assempled in Canada. My son, who knows about these things, tells me the chassis is basically an old Mercedes E-class. I feel so patriotic.
Where did Wolcott's page go? Does he require a government bailout?
It's his job. And ours.
Certainly ours.
It's probably less than 60 hours a week on average. These guys think that working hard for a few days deserves jetting off for a long golf weekend to recharge....
They gotta stay in top form, y'know....
montag
and you figured out what these bankers and investment bankers are making?
Or not.
Look. I agree, in principle, with everyone here. The car companies have to change. The management has to move into the 21st Century.
But you cannot demand that the workers - who fought and died for health care, forty hour work weeks, overtime and the rest out on the street because you are pissed off at the senior management.
Barney is painfully aware that the push to the left needs to be long, loud and constant.
ronjazz
Yes.
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/ 0,,...0243195,00.html
bill buckner | 12.04.08 - 11:02 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
That "dancing about architecture" line needs to be retired, posthaste. In addition to being overused, there's no reason people can't or shouldn't dance about architecture.
But then, the cost of repairing a Ford is a bunch lower than a Subaru, ya know?
Cougarhutch on ipod
Not in my experience... that Escort was constantly in the shop (again, luck of the draw) while a guy that worked for me was pissed that he had to put new axles and CVs in his Legacy at 425K miles. X, I ditched the Escort at 93K.
But you cannot demand that the workers - who fought and died for health care, forty hour work weeks, overtime and the rest out on the street because you are pissed off at the senior management.
DWD-S☮S
I agree, absolutely.
And this bullshit about corporate jets?
That is exactly what it is.
(I simply want the bankers and mortgage brokers who really FUCKED the dog to answer the same questions.)
Crickets.
Fuck them all. I am tired of this bullshit. People have to get a clue.
I drive a Mazda MX-5 3G. Built in Nagasaki. Mazda is 30% owned by Ford.
But I will give it this - 3 years and the thing still doesn't rattle, which is saying something on our roads.
Sleepy. Time to call it a night.
Have fun, bats.
From the Detroit Free Press editorial.
if one of the three Detroit automakers goes belly-up for lack of a government-backed loan. There will be economic hell to pay — not just in Detroit, but all across America, including in your state, in your district.
The loss of jobs, the devastated retirements, the massive loss of health care coverage, the sharp drop in local tax revenues, the closings of supplier and ancillary businesses — all would be calamitous in the best of times. And these are not that. Just ask the people you represent.
More than 3 million jobs are at stake in the industry. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler are threaded in the fabric of businesses in every state across America.
A failure of one or more of the automakers would deepen the country's worst recession in 27 years, and it could take decades to rebuild the nation's industrial base, which will atrophy like an unused limb without the muscle-flexing of Detroit's automakers.
Who will buy the rubber, plastics, copper and computer chips that Americans make? Who will need all the tool and die shop workers, mold makers or software engineers who help drive the small-business economy in so many states?
You don't want all this blood on your hands. No one could.
Because the losses from an auto industry failure are about more than dry statistics. Every job associated with the industry is a family, a home, a college education, a cancer treatment or a secure retirement. Every one of those jobs is about someone making a living doing work that's vital to the nation's economic interests.
http://www.freep.com/article/200...ION01/
812050321
(I simply want the bankers and mortgage brokers who really FUCKED the dog to answer the same questions.)
You are being too kind to these motherfuckers.
I'm sleepy, too.
'night.
(I simply want the bankers and mortgage brokers who really FUCKED the dog to answer the same questions.)
And that's what really burns my butt. Where was all this nattering about "accountability" when they were handing out $700B to fucking Wall St.? Bueller?
And that's what really burns my butt. Where was all this nattering about "accountability" when they were handing out $700B to fucking Wall St.? Bueller?
ThinlyVeiled
I blame the fucking fraternities.
Ultimately, something like 20% of jobs in this country are related to the auto, I just don't think we can really put so many people out of work. I don't know how to get the CEOs to take this seriously, but there you go.
I wish we had a parliamentary form of government. The chimp would've been gone years ago!
Chimp would never make it off the backbench in a parliamentary system. Ministers have to be able to speak extemporaneously and debate in parliamentary session.
Mumbling "Uh...Jesus...uh...terrists" and expecting your trained seals in your party and the media to flap their fins in adulation wouldn't cut it.
Of course, being eloquent didn't make Tony Blair any less of a complete tool.
As for Harper, I smell a rat. Governors-General have a wide range of powers though they rarely use most of them -- but when they do, it isn't random. Someone is pulling strings to keep Harper in power.
I don't believe I've seen anybody argue that the workers should be thrown out, or that the financial industry somehow deserves the bailout they're getting. What makes me react with borderline rage to the whole issue is knowing what a $34 billion infusion of cash would do for public schools in this country, for example, or $700 billion could do for healthcare. And we're in the process of throwing that money straight at a whole class of assholes that have derided teachers and sermonized about educational funding for years and years.
Well, having come to the conclusion that the Bush Assministration has really, truly, once and for all, "liberated" my liver, me and my Stabbing Pain in the Gut are going to bed. G'nite.
Solution: It would be cheaper for the government to buy the big 3 than bail them out. So, stay with me on this, after we buy them out, we create the best, fuel efficient cars in the world.
Paulson is buddies with those guys, he would never be invited for cocktails and birding stories again if he didn't open the big banking window.
I still am amazed to the extent to which us little peeps don't seem to get the class thing.
cosmic, I agree with you there, that if we bail them out, we really should do it command economy style, to help the country get the green economy going at least in the manufacturing sector.
I still am amazed to the extent to which us little peeps don't seem to get the class thing.
Tlazolteotl
It has always been about class. The great hidden secret of the American drama.
I don't believe I've seen anybody argue that the workers should be thrown out, or that the financial industry somehow deserves the bailout they're getting. What makes me react with borderline rage to the whole issue is knowing what a $34 billion infusion of cash would do for public schools in this country, for example, or $700 billion could do for healthcare. And we're in the process of throwing that money straight at a whole class of assholes that have derided teachers and sermonized about educational funding for years and years.
Doc
Well, I agree with that, obviously. I am a teacher.
I stopped by my old school today. Kind of bittersweet. But I wrangle an invitation to the annual Soul Food dinner. 
Solution: It would be cheaper for the government to buy the big 3 than bail them out. So, stay with me on this, after we buy them out, we create the best, fuel efficient cars in the world.
cosmic tumbler
Just so long as we don't call it American Motors...
And yet, everyone watches American Idol and plays the Lotto and thinks they can be upper class too.
Imagine their surprise when they find out that 'rich' and 'upper class' are not exactly equivalent.
cosmic, I agree with you there, that if we bail them out, we really should do it command economy style, to help the country get the green economy going at least in the manufacturing sector.
Tlazolteotl
And control the price of gas in order to raise revenue for mass transit, better roads, and to encourage NOT driving.
Just so long as we don't call it American Motors...
minusp
As a prior owner of a Rambler, I object!
Just so long as we don't call it American Motors...
minusp
Matador, motherfucker!
I have a question for the attorneys.
How would I file a complaint against a commissioner?
The commissioner in my daughter's case is biased strongly against her. She signed off on an order allowing her abusive ex husband to supervise her visits, which should not have happened.
This needs to be addressed.
Canucklehead is right that the GG had the legal right to do what they did. Unfortunately, reading the Canadian constitution you realize that Canada's laws don't really mandate a democracy. The GG can rule as a monarch, or, if she chooses, allow the PM to rule as a monarch in her stead. This is a legacy of our undemocratic past. Instead, by tradition the GG acts consistently with our democratic traditions.
Most of the time that means just doing whatever the Prime Minister says. But an important basis of our parliamentary democracy is that the PM rules with the consent of the House. Using that inherited monarchial power to send parliament home because the PM is opposed by a majority in the house sets a really bad precedent. And it's not quite clear what restrictions there are on this newly asserted power in order to preserve our democracy. Can the PM just keep proroguing parliament to dispense with it, like a medieval king? According to some, the GG should allow anything the PM demands. This wouldn't be democratic, but it's not clear that it would be unconstitutional.
And control the price of gas in order to raise revenue for mass transit, better roads, and to encourage NOT driving.
DWD-S☮S
Gosh, it seems as if we have a plan.
Anybody out there...?
OK, I give up, this thing won't crash again.
All day long it's been teh suxxors, and now, when I want it to, it won't break. Windows and HP, thou art damned.
Nitey, nite, y'all.
Just so long as we don't call it American Motors...
minusp
Maybe we could sell the SUV freaks on the idea that a really wide car reflects on their penis size.
As a prior owner of a Rambler, I object!
cosmic tumbler
Heh. We had the Green Hornet!!!
The commissioner in my daughter's case is biased strongly against her. She signed off on an order allowing her abusive ex husband to supervise her visits, which should not have happened.
This needs to be addressed.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
We don't have commissioners in PA, we have conciliators. If they are equivalent, then you have to appeal to a judge.
Cosmic, they're the equivalent of judges except they're appointed, not elected. I don't know who they are appointed by.
But you cannot demand that the workers - who fought and died for health care, forty hour work weeks, overtime and the rest out on the street because you are pissed off at the senior management.
You make assumptions of facts not in evidence. The question was whether or not the CEOs are earning their keep--and they're not. I didn't say a damned thing about worker responsibility, not a thing....
Don't be jumping to conclusions. I've said, rather consistently, that the arguments against a bailout of the auto industry have much to do with trying to kill the unions, and that the end result of bankruptcy and liquidation would be to kill off a lot of jobs, and a lot of suppliers--bearing manufacturers, foundries, metal formers, heat treaters and the like--would not survive, either, and that those ancillary industries are going to be absolutely necessary to transform the energy industry.
I'd rather see oil used to make the transition to green energy production, and to see unions thrive in those new industries. But, without decent industrial management, they won't, even with a bailout of the auto industry.
minusp, I had the Green Gremlin!
Matador, motherfucker!
Supreme Commander Thor
Sorry, dude, got to draw the line somewhere...
Bush: "You can DO THAT?"
Matador, motherfucker!
Our school mascot. And an ugly one it is.
Who wants a mascot that sticks knives into the necks of bulls?
Cosmic, they're the equivalent of judges except they're appointed, not elected. I don't know who they are appointed by.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
In PA that would be the governor.
Anyway, the legal system is not equipped or trained to handle this kind of issue. I've been through the pain of a similar situation and came to realize that you fight as hard as you can with the realization that you are powerless. It is not pleasant, but it is, existentially, the right thing to do.
Matador, motherfucker!
Supreme Commander Thor
Sorry, dude, got to draw the line somewhere...
minusp
AMC Matador did win races, but it still looked like shit
minusp, I had the Green Gremlin!
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Ummmm, uhhhh, I wasn't going to say anything about Gremlins...
That was a unique color, no?
And if anyone brings up the Pacer, the Secretary will disavow all knowledge...
Cosmic, I don't know what to do.
I think I'm going to photograph all of the ex's text messages and send them to Mlle's attorney. They're sick.
As an add-on to all this, may I just sy that Richard Shelby is a despicable fuck?
AMC Matador did win races, but it still looked like shit
Supreme Commander Thor
Okay, but it ran forever. Which would choose, a partner that looked good or a partner that ran forever?
minusp, well, subtlety was not its strong suit.
Auto colors of the 70s were, in general, godawful.
I just got back from the David Byrne show
Saw him at the Orpheum in Boston back in the late-90s (Rei Momo?). Fucking awesome.
Tlaz, indeed you may. I second that emotion.
As an add-on to all this, may I just sy that Richard Shelby is a despicable fuck?
Tlazolteotl
Indeed, his whole mission is to bust the UAW, so fuck him.
David Byrne is the intellectual of rock (and roll for that matter).
AMC Matador did win races, but it still looked like shit
Supreme Commander Thor
I knew a guy that was all Javelin, 'cause they looked so kewl. I never did get that one. Quick cars, but Teh Uggs.
Okay, I'm just now learning how to use the features of this new trackpad. This is really cool.
I knew a guy that was all Javelin, 'cause they looked so kewl. I never did get that one. Quick cars, but Teh Uggs.
I had a friend who was really into the Javelin. I knew probably five people who owned them.
Someone posted a link to Rangers? Player Sean Avery's lewd comments to a fan. Avery USED to play for the Red Wings. This is their reaction. (USED to is the operant word)
DETROIT -- Red Wings players support the NHL's decision to suspend Sean Avery of the Dallas Stars for the lewd comments he made Tuesday in Calgary regarding a former girlfriend.
"There's no room for that in hockey," goalie Chris Osgood said. "Guys who are veterans and have respect for the game -- it belongs nowhere in sports. It has nothing to do with the game. It's an attention getter."
It's unfortunate, said Osgood, if kids, especially boys, heard Avery's comments.
"It's a degrading comment," Osgood said. "You can't say that, and let boys think it's OK to say that about women, or anyone. It (the suspension) was the right move."
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has summoned Avery, a former Red Wings player, to New York for a hearing Thursday regarding his indefinite suspension.
"There's no place in our game for that, it's totally unacceptable," said Babcock of Avery's remarks. "I feel terrible for the young girl. It's flat out unacceptable."
Babcock talked about Avery shortly after discussing the Wings' visit later Wednesday to Children's Hospital.
"It's ridiculous we're talking about this (Avery's remarks). Our game is about great people doing great things," Babcock said. "And yet the attention the game is getting today in the U.S. is because of this (Avery's remarks). It's ridiculous."
Added Babcock about Avery: "In life sometimes people lose their way. You have to be smart enough to know when you've lost your way."
"In life sometimes people lose their way. You have to be smart enough to know when you've lost your way."
DWD-S☮S
Or know what you don't know.
AWESOME
Obama raised $750 million, more than all other Presidential
candidates in history, combined.
I knew a guy that was all Javelin, 'cause they looked so kewl. I never did get that one. Quick cars, but Teh Uggs.
minusp
Apparently, the word javelin in Swedish is a cuss word. . . that is right up there with Chevy's decision to call a car a Nova. (no va in Spanish is, Doesn't go.)
Auto colors of the 70s were, in general, godawful.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I took upon myself to "update" my brother's car... an avocado flake Maverick. Got some of the darker green spray paint and faded the edges of the body panels and doors, made it look like an ugly, rolling refrigerator.
Payback, they say, is a bitch.
Obama raised $750 million, more than all other Presidential
candidates in history, combined.
Culture of TrÜth
GM is knocking...
I cannot believe someone has sullied the reputation professional hockey.
minusp, a friend of ours had an orange and white Maverick, aka the Creamsicle.
Goddess, that thing was ugly. And it wasn't just a Maverick, it was a Maverick Grabber.
I cannot believe someone has sullied the reputation professional hockey.
Culture of TrÜth
I think Sully played for the Flyers about 10 years ago.
"I cannot believe someone has sullied the reputation professional hockey."
really!
pummel the shit out of someone= part of the game.
insult some dipshits: suspension!
I had a friend who was really into the Javelin. I knew probably five people who owned them.
Supreme Commander Thor
I count three, but we're a small town...
DWD - correct on the Javelin & No Va... pero no olvides el Matador, Teh Killer!
10 yrs ago I had a baby shit green 1970 Comet that was from the proverbial garaged for a Viet Nam veteran who passed away. This car was in mint condition and ran but needed some work. The doors still shut like a brand new car and the interior looked like no one had so much as farted in it. I had to sell it in a pinch to a salvage guy for $150 who nearly crapped his pants when he saw it.
Apparently, the word javelin in Swedish is a cuss word
Jävla = Fucking
Var är den dumma jäveln? = Where is that stupid motherfucker?
There you go
Mr. Obama, who became the first major-party nominee to bypass public financing since the system began in the 1970s, spent more
than $136 million from Oct. 16 to Nov. 24, the period covered in the
report. By comparison, his Republican opponent, Senator John McCain,
who was limited to the $84 million allotted to him from the Treasury under public financing, spent $26.5 million during that time, according to his latest campaign finance report. Although Mr. McCain had $4 million left over,
he had $4.9 million in debt.
"Auto colors of the 70s were, in general, godawful."
kitchens weren't any better...
I think all cars should be black as Henry Ford intended.
Although Mr. McCain had $4 million left over, he had $4.9 million in debt.
Culture of TrÜth
This is why I never trust a Republican.
Goddess, that thing was ugly. And it wasn't just a Maverick, it was a Maverick Grabber.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
Oh.
Gawd.
i haz plotzed
kitchens weren't any better...
jdw
Taxi cab yellow was big.
I cannot believe someone has sullied the reputation professional hockey.
Culture of TrÜth
You know any professional hockey players? I know a half dozen or so and every damned one of them is a great guy.
Hell, my son still plays hockey with them. Nice people.
Hockey is a family game in the extreme. It is because of the travel necessary to have a chance at getting better.
The families are all friends. We eat together. Relax together and essentially share each others' lives.
Even now the Detroit Red Wings sponsor a road trip for the fathers of the players.
Jdw, I have horrible memories of avocado green.
Which is why all my appliances are black.
OMG!
Underscoring the success of his fund-raising, Mr. Obama reported that
he had nearly $30 million in the bank as of Nov. 24, despite spending
furiously at the end of his campaign.
In the final two months of the race, the Obama campaign spent nearly
$170 million on television advertising, compared with $61 million by the McCain campaign, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group,
which tracks advertising spending.
It is unclear what Mr. Obama plans to do with the leftover money.
"Taxi cab yellow was big."
harvest gold.
(puke)
Had a wonderful 2000 Ford Ranger. Was in showroom condition when I sold it w/ 80K miles on it. I miss it. It was the model utility companies use - no carpet or any ind of creature comforts. I would buy another one if I needed my own vehicle.
"compared with $61 million by the McCain campaign, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group,
which tracks advertising spending."
yeah, mcsame had the rnc and 501'a doing his dirty work.
minusp, Monsieur remembers doing acid one night and had fun watching the Creamsicle melt.
It is unclear what Mr. Obama plans to do with the leftover money.
Colt .45 for everyone!
Supreme Commander, does Colt .45 cure a crushing depression?
Supreme Commander, does Colt .45 cure a crushing depression?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
To be honest it never hurt me.
But I'd stick to wine and some good meds if I were you
Evening, all.
In case anybody's interested, my review of "Cadillac Records" -- the Chess Records story, with Beyonce as Etta James and Adrien Brody -- is now up at Box Office.
http://boxoffice.com/reviews/200...lac-
records.php
We now return to the thread already in progress.
It is unclear what Mr. Obama plans to do with the leftover money.
I believe that's what's known as "fuck you money."
Fuck you, Republicans!
Yes, actually I know every professional hockey player in North America.
Professional hockey certainly has the reputation of openly tolerating, if not encouraging, fistfights between players during games.
And no, I don't know why.
minusp, Monsieur remembers doing acid one night and had fun watching the Creamsicle melt.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
While quite stoned, I watched an episode of Hawaii Five-O that included a five minute scene of Jack Lord having a conversation while a cream sickle melted over his hand.
You know any professional hockey players? I know a half dozen or so and every damned one of them is a great guy.
DWD-S☮S
Never played pro, but yeah, hockey is good stuff (must be the Canadian thing, (Oh, I do apologize for knocking your tooth out) Played men's league in HS and played pickup for (mostly) Greek teams at RPI, never a better camaraderie. Of course, playing left and willing^W preferring to defense helps.
Blame Canada!
Professional hockey certainly has the reputation of openly tolerating, if not encouraging, fistfights between players during games.
And no, I don't know why.
Culture of TrÜth
My son, who played defense, used to have rap his wrists with padding. One team in particular had a habit of whacking the opposing players in the gap between their gloves and elbow pads.
Do that more than a few times and the player having it done to them gets a mite testy.
Supreme Commander, that's part of my problem.
I started using mail order because it was much cheaper than buying at my local pharmacy. Since one of the drugs I take is a brand name, non plan preferred drug, every time it's ordered they call and hassle my MD to prescribe me a generic alternative (the drug does not currently have a generic equivalent). My MD went out of town for Thanksgiving and my order was held up for 10 days. Thus, I am out of medication and have been now for 4 days.
I was told by a senior manager at Medco that all this wouldn't be a problem if I would switch to a cheaper, plan preferred alternative (even though this particular drug is effective, and none of the generic alternatives--all of which I've tried--are.)
ugly 70's shit:
http://pics.livejournal.com/abqr...00hx4z/
s320x240
http://www.automaticwasher.org/T...-
myhooverco.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/
3..._06a215e1de.jpg
or WRAP.
Night, all
Peace
One team in particular had a habit of whacking the opposing players in the gap between their gloves and elbow pads.
Oh well then I apologize
Night, all
Peace
DWD-S☮S
Night, dude.
"Professional hockey certainly has the reputation of openly tolerating, if not encouraging, fistfights between players during games."
of course. but say 'sloppy seconds' and the league goes apeshit?
what a bunch of fucknozzles.
My MD went out of town for Thanksgiving and my order was held up for 10 days. Thus, I am out of medication and have been now for 4 days.
Ouch. That's why I won't go with mail order. If wine won't do the trick I would suggest some cognac to take the edge off. Just sip it nice and slow and let the glow fill you.
In case anybody's interested, my review of "Cadillac Records" -- the Chess Records story, with Beyonce as Etta James and Adrien Brody -- is now up at Box Office.
They're not.
SallyH,
My sympathies. The drug my doctor has prescribed (and the one that is helping) is causing an allergic reaction at this moment.
Nothing serious except my calves and ankles are swollen and painful
Supreme Commander, I don't drink. But I told Monsieur today, I know you want to save money, but this has happened every time I need refills (every 90 days). I can't do this.
He agreed we'd pay the higher prices at the pharmacy--and the one drug is $120/month.
Professional hockey certainly has the reputation of openly tolerating, if not encouraging, fistfights between players during games.
And no, I don't know why.
Culture of TrÜth
I'm guessing something about the corrupting influence of big money on sports, but hey -- that might just be the doctrinaire Lefty in me.
Arianna Huffington on Charlie Rose says she absolutely believes the soul is immortal and there is a god and higher power. She says the psychologist Carl Jung said he doesn't believe there is a god, he knows there is a god.
She says the psychologist Carl Jung said he doesn't believe there is a god, he knows there is a god.
blogger
Not true.
They're not.
General Zod | 12.04.08 - 11:56 pm | #M
Fortunately, you have a rich inner life.
Harper has shown nothing but disdain for the basic principles of parliamentary democracy. He wishes he was president, and that Canada was the US. Well, fuck that.
And Michaëlle Jean probably fucked up here, because Harper's tactic will be to propose a bullshit budget, demand a dissolution, and then come back with the same fuck-the-unions, close-down-the-oppositions stuff afterwards.
Tinpot cow-fucking despot.
Fortunately, you have a rich inner life.
steve simels
As do I, but I do enjoy your blog.
She says the psychologist Carl Jung said he doesn't believe there is a god, he knows there is a god.
blogger
Not true.
cosmic tumbler | 12.04.08 - 11:58 pm | #
The Repetitive Non Sequitur Troll with a new nym.
It'll get worse before it gets better...
OBAMA: Barack Hussein O'Brien
The Spook Who Sat By The Door...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The...Sat_By_The_Door
http://video.google.com/
videopla...sat+by+the+door
Huffington Post
The Best Blog Money Can Buy.
He agreed we'd pay the higher prices at the pharmacy--and the one drug is $120/month.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
You know you can always shoot me a line if you have to. I'm always here to listen. I was feeling low last night; I hate this feeling of being unable to control your own mind
Canadians brought us maple syrup, hockey and this crazy parliament thing
Do that more than a few times and the player having it done to them gets a mite testy.
DWD-S☮S
I wore soccer shinpads on my forearms and over my Achilles tendons. Armor is a good thing.
And with that, bon nuit.
Professional hockey certainly has the reputation of openly tolerating, if not encouraging, fistfights between players during games.
And no, I don't know why.
Culture of TrÜth
I'm guessing something about the corrupting influence of big money on sports, but hey -- that might just be the doctrinaire Lefty in me.
steve simels
You would be guessing wrong, smells. Hockey violence was a lot worse 30 years ago. I don't think it brings a thing to the game, but the influx of big money has nothing to do with it.
I'm a hockey player.
Hockey players fight for the same reason dogs lick their balls....because they can.
Oh, and Jon Stewart's thing about how Congress gave the bankers a trillion dollars because they don't understand what the fuck it's being spent on, whereas they can preen to the cameras about cars?
Spot on.
Canadians brought us maple syrup, hockey and this crazy parliament thing
Culture of TrÜth
A sweet tooth, a lost tooth, and no teeth.
Fortunately, you have a rich inner life.
steve simels
Unlike an ugly old waste of a person who does nothing but blogwhore his own little world over and over, hoping that someone notices......
damn i wish design on a dime would redo my kitchen
still have 50's metal cabinets which i foolishly painted sort of a wasabi green. Countertops are more of a forest green so the result looks like one of those oogly dodge darts or whatever with the dark green top and lighter green body.
must have been high
You would be guessing wrong, smells. Hockey violence was a lot worse 30 years ago. I don't think it brings a thing to the game, but the influx of big money has nothing to do with it.
General Zod | 12.05.08 - 12:01 am | #
You're so right, Zoddy old horse. The fact that the players make humongous money for the owners has nothing to do with the reason they don't discipline the players meaningfully if they fight.
pseudonymous in nc
Because they were afraid of looking dumb, so they just said yes. Exactly!
Good night all
DWD-S☮S-
Eeeeep! on the meds, hope you get them straightened out...
Bonsoir!
oh my. a canadian thread. and i'm late. dammit.
Just got back from a big formal gala dinner thing, work related.
The CEO asked me to sit at his table, so I guess my outfit wasn't too overboard.
I don't think it brings a thing to the game, but the influx of big money has nothing to do with it.
General Zod
I am with you. I find hockey fights to be complete bullshit. If you want revenge, you can do it without taking a penalty.
If I had my choice for hockey these are the changes I would make.
I would: require players to wear cages on their helmets. This stupidity is going to go on until someone is killed. (THEN they will change.)
Treat fighting like they do in amateur hockey (college and so on) If you fight you are given a five minute penalty, a game misconduct for that game and a suspension for the next game. If you do it again, you are suspended for three games. If you do it again, you will sit out the rest of the year.
Get rid of the red line altogether.
Make the rinks Olympic size. (They are wider. This encourages skating skill.
Bonsoir!
This notion that the Canadian Prime Minister can suspend parliament by hiding behind the queen's skirt is almost on par with the shrub blaming Iraq on bad intel.
You're so right, Zoddy old horse. The fact that the players make humongous money for the owners has nothing to do with the reason they don't discipline the players meaningfully if they fight.
steve simels
So following your theory, the NFL must be behind the curve on profiting from their players, right? Since they do discipline their players.
Don't you have some obscure records to listen to and bloviate about? Because you don't know shit about sports.
oh my. a canadian thread. and i'm late. dammit.
I come here for the poutine.
Construction jobs for white-collar financial workers now!
Because you don't know shit about sports.
General Zod
This is why you have so many friends.
but les Canadiens beat the fucking Rangers 6-2!
better think about that than to think about that coup d'état "our" prime minister and gov general did today.
man, i'm starting to feel like you lot must have felt during the bush years. it's ain't a pleasant feeling...
hiding behind the queen's skirt
Well it is Harper, you know.
tina fey on dave.
If I had my choice for hockey these are the changes I would make.
I would: require players to wear cages on their helmets. This stupidity is going to go on until someone is killed. (THEN they will change.)
Treat fighting like they do in amateur hockey (college and so on) If you fight you are given a five minute penalty, a game misconduct for that game and a suspension for the next game. If you do it again, you are suspended for three games. If you do it again, you will sit out the rest of the year.
Get rid of the red line altogether.
Make the rinks Olympic size. (They are wider. This encourages skating skill.
DWD-S☮S
Bingo. I couldn't agree more.
The CEO asked me to sit at his table, so I guess my outfit wasn't too overboard.
ooh la la
cool
Oh Zod, you're such a sad sack. I'm still trying to grasp why you do this to yourself.
This is why you have so many friends.
cosmic tumbler
Cosmic, tell me what in simels post told you he knew the first thing about ice hockey? Anything?
Don't you have some obscure records to listen to and bloviate about? Because you don't know shit about sports.
General Zod | 12.05.08 - 12:06 am | #
The Philosopher King of Insult Trolldom, folks!
Let's really hear it for him!!!!!
I come here for the poutine.
NTodd
didn't you know that a québécois vote is worth less than an albertan vote? I learned that this week. The level of racism form the west this week could be enough to revive the independentist flamme in Québec, which had been pretty weak this millenum. Good work, Harper!
but les Canadiens beat the fucking Rangers 6-2!
Personally I'm a big Habs fan...that said, last season none of their top 8 scorers were born in Canada let alone French Canadiens.
Cosmic, tell me what in simels post told you he knew the first thing about ice hockey? Anything?
General Zod
Not the point, as your temperament is.
Let's really hear it for him!!!!!
steve simels
a band called X is scheduled on Ferguson tonite. Do you think it's the X of my youth (and your 30something )
Let's really hear it for him!!!!!
steve simels
Nice deflection. But then that is your specialty. Blowhole.
ooh la la
cool
ErinPDX
It was cool for the bigwigs to reach out... I do bust my ass for them.
I heard my little hospital is going to make the US News "Top 100 Heart Hospitals", which will raise some eyebrows... Helps to know I don't bust my ass for nothing.
(re the actual post)
Harper is a Canadian Bush who wants to "destroy" the Canadian opposition like Rove and Norquist were gleefully talking about destroying the Democratic party years ago. Thing is, Harper is a fucking moron and his party are third-rate comic book supervillains, so far from destroying the Liberals, Hareper has demonstrated that he is not capable of winning a real mandate. The Governor General's obscene, idiotic descision (which the Diaphanous Xymphora called "boneheaded" and an example of a good reason to get rid of the office altogether) is kind of like the Supreme Court shenanigans in 2000. Really this was Harper's last hope, since he ought to be suffering a vote of no confidence right now but is saved until January by this, and really this is a very anti-democratic gesture.
Nice deflection. But then that is your specialty. Blowhole.
General Zod | 12.05.08 - 12:11 am | #
Wow. It's like Don Rickles after a stroke.
Seems to be a Canadian thread.
Let it be known that I love Canadians. Well, Canadian women, that is.
Things in Canada are bad. So bad they've started rationing double/doubles at Tim Horton's.
Conservative members of Episcopal Church try to beat off pro-gay faction, end up with schism on their hands
S H E E T S
sheets
This notion that the Canadian Prime Minister can suspend parliament by hiding behind the queen's skirt is almost on par with the shrub blaming Iraq on bad intel.
macacawitz
and it's going down so well in Québec...
that said, maybe Harper saved his skin for now. But the tories CANNOT get a majority without getting more than his 10 seats in the province. So he pretty much lost these 10 seats this week. Stoopid. If the conservatives had any sense, they'd get rid of him now to avoid another 20 years drought in Québec like after Mulroney.
Harper is scary not cause he's like Bush. No, he's scary cause he's a Cheney.
One of Xymph's points was that Canada and the world do not have time for
Harper's fucking bullshit with this looming economic crisis, which could easily be much worse than anyone has feared. Harper can only make things much worse.
Helps to know I don't bust my ass for nothing.
racymind
I could never in a million years do what you do. Thanks.
Just another freedom-loving democracy-worshipping conservative.
Oh wait... He wouldn't be a tyrant, would he?
If I were Queen I would shut down someone Commonwealth country's Parliament at least once a year, and more likely every single time I got drunk.
"Hello? Izzat the Antiguan Gov'ment? Well guess what mofos... I SQUISH YOU! HAHAHA! NO GOVERNMENT FOR YOU! Yeah, bitches, you know you love me. OK laterz."
The US=CANADA in 15 years.
I fear Canadians may be too complacent and skeptical to realize that WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE USA CAN AND WILL HAPPEN IN CANADA TOO!!!!!!!
The only problem Canadians have, IMO, is THEY ARE NOT SCARED ENOUGH!!!!!
If you're surprised that such power is available to the Canadian Prime Minister, go look up the October Crisis from 1970 when the FLQ kidnapped and murdered a Canadian politician and a British diplomat.
Then-PM Pierre Trudeau enacted the War Measures Act, effectively turning Canada into a police state for a few days - arrest without trial, people interrogated without the right to a lawyer and brutal interrogation techniques, etc.
Unfortunately, most Americans don't know anything that happens outside their own borders, whether current or past events.
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