I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Spike!
sippy cups!
(damn 20 second rule)
Shadow!
Topaz!
Making fun of people is bad.
Brego!
Shadow!
Government!
heh heh
Jonah is stupid. But those with his political bent can't be too smart.
Making fun of people is bad.
NTodd, Boring MEQUA | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 11:54 am | #
Yer funny lookin'.
?Making fun of people is bad.
You still tap dancing, tastee boi?
So we're not supposed to show Bush in a wheelchair?
THUNDERPANTS
"IIRC, the first batch of WTC terrorist thought that's what would happen, they take out the lower core, then the building topples on to another building."
I remember that as well. I also remember hearing it'd take such a large ammount of explosives as to make it next to impossible to actually happen
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 06.23.07 - 11:50 am
And when they captured the mastermind, and flew him by the towers, and said 'see, they're still standing' he said something like, 'next time we'll have enough explosives'.
Re Jonah Goldberg:
A tool only has to serve it's function to be useful. It does not have to be clever as well.
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yeah, you never see roosevelt in a wheelchair
try google images.
Skeeters start buzzin' 'bout this time of year...
Doughy Pantload must have been off changing his pissy underwear when American history was taught.
The same could be said for most wingnuts.
And today our photographers hide Dick Cheney's horns and mouth covered in kitty bloody. Sigh, nothing ever changes.
You still tap dancing, tastee boi?
[taps faster than gregory hynes, ignores rory]
Shadow!
Government!
heh heh
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.23.07 - 11:54 am |
It's a very old, sleepy and small government. Shad's 18 1/2 and doesn't do much anymore. :-(
(Below)
U.S. and Iraqi troops captured two senior al-Qaida militants in Diyala province.
I don't watch much, or indeed any, MSM news coverage, but it's inescapable that their bullshit has taken on a new flavor.
So we're not supposed to show Bush in a wheelchair?
NTodd, Boring MEQUA
Don't get me started.
I don't want to get banned.
Carrying on from a couple of threads back:
except death was one of the punishments
Genesis 3:22-24
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”
23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken.
24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life."
Toonscribe:
God sounds like a real douchebag.
On the positive side, today's WSJ has an article about low caste people in India getting high tech jobs. Manager of a US/Indian company says something like "In America, talent is the only caste." Not true enought, but points for us anyways.
Hard to reconcile with Jonah getting a job at a higher level than collecting aluminum cans in a bag and bringing them to the recycling center.
All you need to know about Doughy Pantload is that his mother famously told an interviewer "For all we know, Clinton is finger-fucking Chelsea."
Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, if you know what I mean.
U.S. and Iraqi troops captured two senior al-Qaida militants in Diyala province.
I don't watch much, or indeed any, MSM news coverage, but it's inescapable that their bullshit has taken on a new flavor.
We're coming up on another election, and boogie man fever has to be elevated.
If the press had depicted FDR as an accomplished athlete instead of just declining to underline his disability in their photographs, Jonah might have a point.
In Bush's case, the press went out of its way to depict him as "really not that dumb at all", an accomplished businessman and political leader, a resolute man with the right stuff for the war on terror, a fighter jet pilot, a rugged cowboy, a regular guy cutting brush, blah blah blah.
When really what he is is a big zero.
I don't want to get banned.
Terry C
Somber voice...motorcade...
God sounds like a real douchebag.
He's kinda petty and vindictive -- in an omnipotent sorta way.
24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life."
Toonscribe | 06.23.07 - 11:57 am |
So, they were defending against Morgoth?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mi...d-
Ungoliant.jpg
God sounds like a real douchebag.
Terry C, End Bush's War Now!
Ding, ding, ding!
Genesis 3:22-24
I can no longer read that without the opening cutscene from Civ III playing in my head.
[/gamer]
When really what he is is a big zero.
Jennifer
Bush had a huge "war chest". That meant the media was going to make a bundle off of him. Deal closed.
When really what he is is a big zero.
Jennifer
Hey!
So we're not supposed to show Bush in a wheelchair?
NTodd, Boring MEQUA
how about an electric chair?
[note to overlords: i am not suggesting a violent uprising, but rather appropriate application of texas law]
[and i'm kidding, as i am against capital punishment]
All you need to know about Doughy Pantload is that his mother famously told an interviewer "For all we know, Clinton is finger-fucking Chelsea."
It's enough to make a person wonder what went on in their house, at least until the person has to throw up.
We're coming up on another election, and boogie man fever has to be elevated.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.23.07 - 11:59 am
Congrats! Now I have both KC and the Sunshine Band AND The Sylvers going through my head.
God sounds like a real douchebag.
Terry C, End Bush's War Now!
That was Old God, or as he's now known, God Classic™. The New 'n Improved God 2.0 is still a stern taskmaster, but he's at least willing to give you another chance if you grovel sufficiently.
[and i'm kidding, as i am against capital punishment]
dirk gently, sociopathetic
How about if it is administered at The Hague?
If the press had depicted FDR as an accomplished athlete instead of just declining to underline his disability in their photographs, Jonah might have a point.
and the pic link i posted was taken in 1941. roosevelt posed for it rather deliberately.
jonah is an ass. just like ntodd.
If the Nazis had seen this photo we'd all be speaking German today.
http://www.geocities.com/
Heartla...fdrpicture.html
.
On the positive side, today's WSJ has an article about low caste people in India getting high tech jobs. Manager of a US/Indian company says something like "In America, talent is the only caste." Not true enought, but points for us anyways.
When the British Empire brought trains into India, there was a brief scurry as low caste people cane to work for the railroads.
then those people became hereditary track gang, conductors, engineers, and today India's railroads are staffed by a railroad caste, each to their appropriate job, and social status determined thereby.
so, sure, make the untouchables call center employees or whatever. 2 generations and they will be the "call center caste" and the social stratification continues and the outcastes remain at the bottom.
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I happened to catch some of Die Hard 2 last night, probably one of Fred Thompson's biggest roles (he played the head of the airport). Man, he's a terrible actor. But if you want to see how he'd be as president, watch that movie. He gives a bunch of speeches to rally the troops but really it's all hollow and uninspiring.
The basic problem is that God suffers from a narcissistic personality disorder -- no one is allowed to be his equal and all must love and worship him.
It's enough to make a person wonder what went on in their house, at least until the person has to throw up.
V for Virginia
Thank you. You put that so much more nicely than I was going to.
How about if it is administered at The Hague?
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore | 06.23.07 - 12:02 pm | #
too easy on him.
life at hard labor without parole. it will build character.
And when they captured the mastermind, and flew him by the towers, and said 'see, they're still standing' he said something like, 'next time we'll have enough explosives'.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
It's not a question of how many explosives you have. The issue is that there was no structural member inside the WTC that was sufficiently rigid to act as a lever that could push the top of the building sideways for any appreciable distance once the base had been undermined asymmetrically. Once the the main load-bearing elements of the structure are no longer under almost pure compression, the whole thing just buckles and then falls straight down. It just ain't gonna behave like a tree, no matter what you do to it.
Don't try to think, Pantload. It creates an odor like toasting used condoms over a burning pile of shit would.
[and i'm kidding, as i am against capital punishment]
dirk gently, sociopathetic
How about if it is administered at The Hague?
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore | 06.23.07 - 12:02 pm
They're against it too.
How about the Middle East?
jonah is an ass. just like ntodd.
Excuse me, but I think I'm a smart ass and he's a dumb ass.
he's at least willing to give you another chance if you grovel sufficiently.
Jennifer | 06.23.07 - 12:01 pm | #
Which is even more douch-baggy in my book.
i'll take an agent orange pop.
Does this mean Jonah is finger fucking Lucienne?
Oh Jonah he lived in de whale
Oh Jonah he lived in de whale
For he made his home in dat fish's abdomen
Oh Jonah he lived in de whale
jonah is an ass. just like ntodd.
Excuse me, but I think I'm a smart ass and he's a dumb ass.
NTodd, Boring MEQUA | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:03 pm | #
Nah. NTodd is less like Jonah than he is like Job.
btw, mr. smart ass, wierdness at your comment page. i posted one and it disappeared, only to show up twice later.
And when they captured the mastermind, and flew him by the towers, and said 'see, they're still standing' he said something like, 'next time we'll have enough explosives'.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
It's not a question of how many explosives you have. The issue is that there was no structural member inside the WTC that was sufficiently rigid to act as a lever that could push the top of the building sideways for any appreciable distance once the base had been undermined asymmetrically. Once the the main load-bearing elements of the structure are no longer under almost pure compression, the whole thing just buckles and then falls straight down. It just ain't gonna behave like a tree, no matter what you do to it.
blerb | 06.23.07 - 12:02 pm
They didn't seem to understand that at the time.
so, sure, make the untouchables call center employees or whatever. 2 generations and they will be the "call center caste" and the social stratification continues and the outcastes remain at the bottom.
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Cynicus | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:02 pm | #
Try to look for a little bit of positive light and some "Mr. Facts" has to come and rain on the parade. Sheesh.
steve simels:Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, if you know what I mean.
heh.
Caught your act over at ann's place where the girl was commenting on the AFI 100 films deal. It did strike me as pretty odd that she focused on the films she didn't see and why.
I loved your post - "I don't know and I don't care."
Nice takedown.
She belongs in the same category that DoughBob PantLoad is in.
And when they captured the mastermind, and flew him by the towers, and said 'see, they're still standing' he said something like, 'next time we'll have enough explosives'.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
they are all the same entity and they had a goal of destroying the towers
I'm convinced that a group of tradesmen and "made men" worked weeks months and years preparing the tower for a fall.
The event was a show whose program was writtne long before hand by neo-convict think tanks similar to the PNAC
btw, mr. smart ass, wierdness at your comment page. i posted one and it disappeared, only to show up twice later.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Makes it look like he has more visitors.
The Washington Press corps was totally aware that Reagan was senile the entire second term and part of the first. But they believed that the American people would have been offended if they pointed it out -- "how dare you pick on that nice old man" -- so they didn't. But it was an open secret.
Lesley Stahl, for one, has been very upfront about this.
Which is even more douch-baggy in my book.
rorschach, infogit
Gee, I dunno. If someone does somethng that really hurts me, if they don't at least acknowledge it and apologize, it's like they're saying they don't care that it hurts me, and it's quite likely they will do it again without caring.
On the other hand, just make the apology and get it out of the way. Grovelling is just jacking off - no one else benefits from it, and it's annoying to watch.
NTodd is less like Jonah than he is like Job.
rorschach, infogit
I think Noah was the one who used to hang out behind the Tastee-Freez, though.
Oh Jonah he lived in de whale
Riesz Fischer | 06.23.07 - 12:04 pm | #
The things that you're liable
to read in the bible
ain't necessarily so
btw, mr. smart ass, wierdness at your comment page. i posted one and it disappeared, only to show up twice later.
Yeah, I deleted the dupe. Sometimes the Comment Continuum chokes on a new meta sock and gives you two comments that manifest out of the virtual particles that pop into our verse for an instant.
Once the the main load-bearing elements of the structure are no longer under almost pure compression, the whole thing just buckles and then falls straight down.
Which is why the giant antenna on the roof is only at about 10 degrees from vertical when the whole damn thing drops straight down. One corner failed first and the rest followed essentially instantly.
Gravity is pretty compelling.
.
he's at least willing to give you another chance if you grovel sufficiently.
Jennifer | 06.23.07 - 12:01 pm | #
anyone else watch 60 rock?
where danny's hot xian babe tried to get him to get on his knees to pray and he asked 'if god loves me, why does he need me to get on my knees and stroke his ego - he knows everything, why doesn't he just fix it?' [approx quote]
good tv.
Gravity is pretty compelling.
It brings me down.
Yeah, I deleted the dupe.
censorship! first ammendment! i'm being repressed!
The Washington Press corps was totally aware that Reagan was senile the entire second term and part of the first.
They didn't keep that one from my notice. What a maroon.
Nah. NTodd is less like Jonah than he is like Job.
rorschach, infogit
Aren't we the Job in this scenario? Or do you mean Gob?
censorship! first ammendment! i'm being repressed!
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Grovel.
I think Noah was the one who used to hang out behind the Tastee-Freez, though.
SteveLG
onan.
I have a gub.
The Washington Press corps was totally aware that Reagan was senile the entire second term and part of the first. But they believed that the American people would have been offended if they pointed it out "
steve simels | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:05 pm | #
Nah, they were just swooning over them shoes.
I'm convinced that a group of tradesmen and "made men" worked weeks months and years preparing the tower for a fall.
I love how they replaced part of the curtain wall with chewing gum so it would distort convincingly before the collapse.
i gave up grovelling for lent.
Score one for Durbin:
Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) said yesterday, "Vice President Cheney is expanding the administration's policy on torture to include tortured logic. In the end, neither Mr. Cheney nor his staff is above the law or the Constitution."
via TPM
Which is why the giant antenna on the roof is only at about 10 degrees from vertical when the whole damn thing drops straight down. One corner failed first and the rest followed essentially instantly.
Whoa, wait a second.
You're saying that after an initial ten degree tilt, gravity compensated for the shift and made up for lost time?
i wonder how jonah's book is going?
Nah, they were just swooning over them shoes.
Noonan was swooning over his foot.
So I see the Blithering Misogynist Idiot has reached the "regrets" stage so common to the binging alcoholic:
I sometimes ponder the question whether the "Ann Althouse" of the blog is the Ann Althouse of my real life.
Or maybe it's just that the xanax is finally kicking in.
God sounds like a real douchebag.
Terry C, End Bush's War Now!
That was Old God, or as he's now known, God Classic™. The New 'n Improved God 2.0 is still a stern taskmaster, but he's at least willing to give you another chance if you grovel sufficiently.
Jennifer
Not into groveling.
The whole blind unquestioning obedience thing....never into that.
I've always had this nasty habit of thinking for myself, from a very young age.
"The Washington Press corps was totally aware that Reagan was senile the entire second term and part of the first.
They didn't keep that one from my notice. What a maroon."
remember the first debate with Mondale - the one where King ron nearly drooled on himself?
The next one the bar was set so low that ronnie could not help but slither over it - and the meejah was full of itself saying the gipper is back.
Might not a kept it from you but it sure suckered in the mouthbreathers and fundies, didn't it?
It brings me down.
NTodd, Boring MEQUA
heavy, dude.
i wonder how jonah's book is going?
Hopefully they've given him enough crayons.
The Washington Press corps was totally aware that Reagan was senile the entire second term and part of the first.
They didn't keep that one from my notice. What a maroon.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
Maybe a mind ISN'T such a terrible thing to waste?
.
I'm sure Tweety and Russert and the other Reaganites who swoon over what a "lady" Nancy is are aware that if she had as many cocks sticking out of her as she had stuck in her mouth she'd look like a porcupine...but it doesn't fit their narrative.
I sometimes ponder the question whether the "Ann Althouse" of the blog is the Ann Althouse of my real life.
I sometimes ponder the question whether the "NTodd" of the blog is the NTodd of my real life. Then I realize it is.
heavy, dude.
Not on the moon.
I have a gub.
NTodd, Boring MEQUA
Ban him! Bannnnnn himmmmmm!
I'm convinced that a group of tradesmen and "made men" worked weeks months and years preparing the tower for a fall.
That would have had to include the architects and engineers from back in the early - mid 60s, who designed the buildings to withstand a hit from the largest commercial airliners in use at the time. The selection of non-psychic architects and engineers was, in fact, the most key part of the entire decades-long conspiracy to bring down the towers.
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
in between his naps!
It brings me down.
NTodd, Boring MEQUA
Don't let it. It's only castles burning, dood.
...great Nats game last night. I have a personal four game winning streak going. They should pay me to attend.
"I have a gub."
NTodd, Boring MEQUA
"Ban him! Bannnnnn himmmmmm!"
what is this country coming to when we no longer have a right to bare gub!!!
The basic problem is that God suffers from a narcissistic personality disorder -- no one is allowed to be his equal and all must love and worship him.
Toonscribe
Sounds like George Wanker Bush.
CNN's front page HAS NOT ONE THING ABOUT TROOP DEATHS.
The lead story?
Missing White Woman.
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
Maybe a mind ISN'T such a terrible thing to waste?
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Agent Orange | 06.23.07 - 12:11 pm | #
Single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union?
That's a knee-slapper.
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
Well, he HAD help.
Ronnie and JP II WERE a tag team.
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
Maybe a mind ISN'T such a terrible thing to waste?
.
Agent Orange
He spent them into oblivion, nearly taking us with them.
Sorry, I have a code.
"He spent them into oblivion, nearly taking us with them."
I wonder if the jury is not still out on that nearly bit.
And when did God become the only god exactly? IIRC even in the 10 Commandments, He doesn't claim to be the One and Only, just Numero Uno -- that whole "thou shalt have no others gods before me" thing.
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
...and keeping his vice-president "out of the loop" all the while.
they are all the same entity and they had a goal of destroying the towers
I'm convinced that a group of tradesmen and "made men" worked weeks months and years preparing the tower for a fall.
The event was a show whose program was writtne long before hand by neo-convict think tanks similar to the PNAC
Geronimo! Er ... ME! | 06.23.07 - 12:05 pm |
Without out anyone noticing?
Nancy Reagan is ANOTHER one who looks as though she hasn't eaten since the 1950s.
Not on the moon.
NTodd, Boring MEQUA
it's all relative.
my great aunt would have weighed 200lbs on the moon.
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
Maybe a mind ISN'T such a terrible thing to waste?
By the way they were shocked when the Soviet Union fell (and completely unprepared) so the idea that it was a grand strategy on their part was BS. The Soviet Union destroyed themselves.
Just as a side bar, life without microwave ovens is just not life anymore.
We're finding that out the hard way. Ours went kaput.
Sorry, I have a code.
NTodd, Boring MEQUA | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:13 pm | #
Boring!
Banned!
The CIA thought the Soviets were on a juggernaut, until reality happened.
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
in between his naps!
meddling kids
Everytime that clip of his demanding that Gorby tear down the Berlin War, the wingers must cream in their pants.
You're saying that after an initial ten degree tilt, gravity compensated for the shift and made up for lost time?
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
If I understood your question???
The part of the building that started moving initially was only 20-25 stories high. It 'tried' to act as a rigid but the rest of the supports failed instantly which is what's being suggested here.
No it didn't right itself. It just translated straight down - disintergrating all the way.
.
Everytime that clip of his demanding that Gorby tear down the Berlin War IS SHOWN, the wingers must cream in their pants.
Everytime that clip of his demanding that Gorby tear down the Berlin War, the wingers must cream in their pants.
SDI, BITCHES!!!!
The Soviet Union destroyed themselves.
erik28com
Afghanistan :: Soviet Union
as
Iraq :: United States
Whoever came up with the maxim "no land wars in Asia" sure was full of crap, wasn't he?
Yeah, that Berlin War sucked.
You're saying that after an initial ten degree tilt, gravity compensated for the shift and made up for lost time?
smalfish
Nope. "Fell straight down" and "fell straight" are not the same thing. The "falling" piece stayed tilted (perhaps not the same angle all the way until disintegration), but fell straight down.
I'm convinced that a group of tradesmen and "made men" worked weeks months and years preparing the tower for a fall.
The event was a show whose program was writtne long before hand by neo-convict think tanks similar to the PNAC
Geronimo! Er ... ME! | 06.23.07 - 12:05 pm |
This is true.
It is also true that some day trained sheep will pilot the space shuttle.
Want ice in that coke, Agent Orange?
Does anybody know how Jonah got his job? I mean was he a like a famous writer or something before he got a nationally syndicated column and all of that money? Or maybe did he work his way up through the newsroom proving his worth through merit? I'm just wondering how such a young fella like him got such a good gig.
Afghanistan :: Soviet Union
as
Iraq :: United States
Whoever came up with the maxim "no land wars in Asia" sure was full of crap, wasn't he?
Jennifer | 06.23.07 - 12:18 pm | #
Sorry, bad comparison.
Things like that cannot happen to the shining cities on hills.
That's what Uncle Ronny said, so its true.
Re-HICA!
Y'all doin' well, today?
.
Would whoever got "it ain't necessarily so" stuck in my head kindly remove it at once?
kthx
Yeah, that Berlin War sucked.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:18 pm | #
no kidding. what kind of idiot would build a border wall to keep out another culture?
Afghanistan :: Soviet Union
as
Iraq :: United States
Also don't forget the bleeding of the economy on military spending. The only effect Reagan had on ending the Soviet Union was that we were able to piss away more money on SDI than the Soviets were, so they ran out of money first.
Problem we have today is Bush is continuing the mad, wasteful spending into massive debt and we're going to collapse because we're not racing anyone, we're just spending ourselves into oblivion for the profit of Bush's cronies.
The Soviet Union destroyed themselves.
erik28com |
Gorbachev and Sheverdnadze facilitated the demise of the Soviet Union. It's what Gorbachev is despised by the Conservatives and hard core Commies in Russia, Ukraine...today
.
Does anybody know how Jonah got his job? I mean was he a like a famous writer or something before he got a nationally syndicated column and all of that money? Or maybe did he work his way up through the newsroom proving his worth through merit? I'm just wondering how such a young fella like him got such a good gig.
Fella pulled himself up by his own bootstraps...in the same sense Bush Jr did.
Would whoever got "it ain't necessarily so" stuck in my head kindly remove it at once?
midnight at the oasis
send your camel to bed
The WTC wasn't brought down straight, it was brought down gay. Ever notice how there were no queers in the towers on 9/11? They all stayed home because they were in on the plot, just like Falwell said. Fallwell. Hmm...
One of the mysteries of republicania is why they fanatically prefer transparent fake. There are real wise older men but they loved Reagan, there are real war heros but they idolize John Wayne, there are real religious leaders who live their morality but they loved Jerry Fallwell and Rev. "I only paid money to that male prostitute so he would get me methadrine", their are millions of smart beautiful women but they drool over Ann Coulter and so on. It's like someone has connected the "fake detector" in their brains to the sexual excitment center.
no kidding. what kind of idiot would build a border wall to keep out another culture?
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Si.
.
I'm just wondering how such a young fella like him got such a good gig.
Troutski
Payoff to his mama from right-wing financiers for services rendered during the Clinton administration.
Even more amazing a senile old man suffering from Alzheimer's was able to single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union.
At Nixon's funeral, Reegun, Ford, Carter, Clinton, and Old Bush were in attendance.
The presidents were standing side by side when the 21 gun salute started.
Reegun was almost asleep standing up and the rifle report startled the old boy and he jumped.
I laughed out loud, a cruel thing to do given his condition, but he was such an old asshole, I didn't feel quite so bad.
It's what Gorbachev is despised by the Conservatives
plus the fact that raisa was a better dresser than nancy.
midnight at the oasis
send your camel to bed
dirk gently, sociopathetic
At least I know the whole thing!
no bush has substance induced schitzophrenia with intermmitent psychotic episodes
The CIA thought the Soviets were on a juggernaut, until reality happened.
At least I know the whole thing!
V for Virginia
don't get me angry, or i'll post 'brandy'
The voices in her head keep getting louder.
I've always blogged under my own name, though I sometimes ponder the question whether the "Ann Althouse" of the blog is the Ann Althouse of my real life.
Can you believe somebody actually thought that was something worth sharing with other people?
Her egomania and lack of self-awareness are truly wondrous to behold.
in other words he's crackers and he knows it and it makes him mad
Well enough, Jeffraham! About you and them kitteh?
The part of the building that started moving initially was only 20-25 stories high. It 'tried' to act as a rigid but the rest of the supports failed instantly which is what's being suggested here.
No it didn't right itself. It just translated straight down - disintergrating all the way.
I'm not really thinking clearly enough to put into words what I'd like to say.
However: Once a "thing" starts to fall, the tendency is to fall at the same angle or more pronounced.
I fail to understand how, if the top is falling at an angle, no matter what happens below it that top section should continue to fall at an angle or more pronounced. How is it (no conspiracy theory inducing here) that the top did not fall in a different direction? (just a physics question)
The WTC wasn't brought down straight, it was brought down gay. Ever notice how there were no queers in the towers on 9/11? They all stayed home because they were in on the plot, just like Falwell said. Fallwell. Hmm...
NTodd, Boring MEQUA | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:21 pm | #
Well, there were two towers, so I reckon they were brought down bi.
hey, simels - i left a present for you on my home age.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:20 pm | #
.
Does this mean Jonah is finger fucking Lucienne?
Robert
I STILL wonder just how much it COST Lucienne to get Jonah's wife to marry him.
Pantload is very high on my "NOT if YOU were the LAST male on earth" list.
"He spent them into oblivion, nearly taking us with them."
I wonder if the jury is not still out on that nearly bit.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Well, Bill Clinton saved us momentarily, but you are correct that we are back on the road.
I fail to understand how, if the top is falling at an angle, no matter what happens below it that top section should continue to fall at an angle or more pronounced. How is it (no conspiracy theory inducing here) that the top did not fall in a different direction? (just a physics question)
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
why not take out one corner, making the tower fall onto other buildings?
Uncle Blodge
I'd suspect that would be very, very hard to do, because to the core construction.
JR, kerosene and a match
It would be virtually impossible to do, but not because of the core construction, but because the only things that fall in one piece are monoliths - that is, they are organically of a piece, like a tree, or a large slab of stone. Things like buildings that are component parts held together by connections cannot fall in this way, because those connections are engineered to hold the components together when they are positioned in a discrete geometrical relationship to one another. If one of the members at a connection gets too far out of whack from this alignment, the connection fails because gravity is now exerting different pressures upon it than it was designed to handle, and one or more of the connected members falls straight to the ground from the position it was in when the failure occured. Knocking out a building corner might allow a tall building to "list" significantly to one side before completely disentegrating...maybe as much as 20 degrees from vertical...but at that point the stresses on the connections would be too great to hold the structure together.
Jennifer
I laughed out loud, a cruel thing to do given his condition, but he was such an old asshole, I didn't feel quite so bad.
billy b
HIS funeral made me sick to my stomach.
HOW many lives did his policies ruin and the MSM treated him like he was FDR.
Well, Bill Clinton saved us momentarily
NO IT WAS THE GINGRICH CONGRESS!!!
does anyone else think that this cia dump of information about past covert activities is meant to prove that whatever is going on now isn't so bad? matthews and company will be able to cite jfk! lbj! while they're excusing bushco.
Lenore: Well enough, Jeffraham! About you and them kitteh?
Overwhelmed, but I'm gonna get all my shit done this weekend if it gives me a coronary.
And the kittehs are just fine as frog hair.
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Anyone here seen Spamalot - tickets go on sale in Seattle in 45 minutes, we're still debating whether to go or not.
"One of the mysteries of republicania is why they fanatically prefer transparent fake."
interesting - and i think true.
I also wonder why they hate Clinton so much as he delivered everything they claimed to want - "free" trade, welfare "reform" and an end to the deficit - yet they hated him.
my newest cheney theory: he has documents proving that karl rove was behind the anthrax mailed to dems in congress. can't let those get into the national archives.
Anyone here seen Spamalot - tickets go on sale in Seattle in 45 minutes, we're still debating whether to go or not.
It fucking rocked, man.
That is why they hated him.
Anyone here seen Spamalot - tickets go on sale in Seattle in 45 minutes, we're still debating whether to go or not.
WalterNeff, pungently profane
The only person I'm aware of who didn't enjoy it is Condoleeza Rice.
"free" trade, welfare "reform" and an end to the deficit - yet they hated him.
he was the best republican president ever.
rootless2, exile on side st.:
It's all show with the right.
Substance means nothing. Just appearances.
"Knocking out a building corner might allow a tall building to "list" significantly to one side before completely disentegrating...maybe as much as 20 degrees from vertical..."
Let me state again I was not saying drop the tower like a tree!!! I was merely saying if terrorists had explosives in the towers on 9/11 there were better uses to be made than waiting and then setting them off. That's all.
I also wonder why they hate Clinton so much as he delivered everything they claimed to want - "free" trade, welfare "reform" and an end to the deficit - yet they hated him.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
They ridiculed Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton for their genuine accents, and love Bush for his fake one. Especially in the South!
Self-loathing on parade down there.
I also wonder why they hate Clinton so much as he delivered everything they claimed to want - "free" trade, welfare "reform" and an end to the deficit - yet they hated him.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Clinton was smart.
The Repugs love stupid.
I fail to understand how, if the top is falling at an angle, no matter what happens below it that top section should continue to fall at an angle or more pronounced. How is it (no conspiracy theory inducing here) that the top did not fall in a different direction? (just a physics question)
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
OK quick answer. It began to rotate (again as an approximation of a rigid body) briefly (milliseconds) pivoting around the corner or wall that had yet to fail, enough to cause the visible tilt indicated by the antenna. Once the motion began it caused the whole thing to let go.
This all happened in a small fraction of a second.
Try holding a 50 lb. bag of cement, then try catching a 50 lb. bag of cement. Motion matters.
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I like anchor-bot Mika Brzezinski, so I was disturbed when she suddenly vanished from daytime on MSNBC -- because she's been cast into
the "Scarbro in the Morning" void, apparently.
might allow a tall building to "list" significantly to one side before completely disentegrating...maybe as much as 20 degrees from vertical...but at that point the stresses on the connections would be too great to hold the structure together.
I get that the top was a "monolith". But that being said, how can that "listing" section become "reattached" to the rest of the structure once the motion is activated? It should have then become two separate pieces. Thus having two different trajectories.
Substance means nothing. Just appearances.
Terry C, End Bush's War Now!
you'd think they'd get some better looking people, then.
wolfie. coulter. limbaugh. mccain. lieberman. rove. i mean, please.
Oh Lord, so this is where the 9/11 conspiracists go to mold.
"he was the best republican president ever."
Yeah. I am still waiting for a repug to explain why they hated him. Only theory I had that made any sense is that he pulled the plug on their whole program and that gave him the creduit and the power, so they had to attack him in order to keep their power as the ones who will look out for "our" money.
Luke Filewalker is all over mah PC.
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Oh Lord, so this is where the 9/11 conspiracists go to mold.
plantsman, kabiu gay dude | 06.23.07 - 12:33 pm | #
Sigh.
Alas. It's a damn shame, innit?
Costco has a nice Nikon Coolpix on sale rat now.
"Oh Lord, so this is where the 9/11 conspiracists go to mold."
and i was trying to argue against the conspiracists and get quoted like I am one of them... fuck...
It began to rotate (again as an approximation of a rigid body) briefly (milliseconds) pivoting around the corner or wall that had yet to fail, enough to cause the visible tilt indicated by the antenna.
ftr 'It' refers only to the floors above the structural and fir damgage NOT the whole tower.
The floors below the damage had 'no idea' any thing was wrong further up.
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I also wonder why they hate Clinton so much as he delivered everything they claimed to want - "free" trade, welfare "reform" and an end to the deficit - yet they hated him.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 06.23.07 - 12:29 pm | #
That's a good question. I think it's more tied to social/cultural unease than any policies. Clinton was ready to fuck over the poor with "welfare reform", but he was obviously at home and comfortable with non-lace-curtain blacks and with white trash and that maybe what drove them so nuts.
Floors rarely have any idea.
Uncle Blodge, I feel your pain.
SAN CLEMENTE, CA—Five years after settling in southern California and trying to blend into American society, a six-man terrorist cell connected to the militant Islamist organization Army of Martyrs has reportedly grown too complacent to conduct its suicide mission, an attack on the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station.
www.theonion.com
My question is this: Would you take this jacket (second picture, obviously) with orange trim instead of grey to save yourself $70?
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"Oh Lord, so this is where the 9/11 conspiracists go to mold."
I'm staying out of it this time since in the last round I came across as sounding way much more conspiracy theorist than I am.
I get that the top was a "monolith". But that being said, how can that "listing" section become "reattached" to the rest of the structure once the motion is activated? It should have then become two separate pieces. Thus having two different trajectories.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
The top is not a monolith. The top is comprised of structural members held together with connections that might hold together momentarily as lateral stresses greater than they were designed to withstand are applied, but by the time the section of the building is even 20 degrees off vertical, those connections will fail and the component parts they held together will fall from the spot they were in at the moment of failure, straight to the ground.
San Onofre is remarkably close to the San Andreas fault, iirc; so just be patient, everybody.
Oh Lord, so this is where the 9/11 conspiracists go to mold.
Oh fuck! So I'm a conspiracy theorist for questioning the physical evidence? I'm not questioning if the tower was brought down by planes or terrorists. All I'm asking is simple physics questions. Apparently that's just too fucking much to ask.
and i was trying to argue against the conspiracists and get quoted like I am one of them... fuck...
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
That's why this place is like a crack den. Don't worry, at least a few of us bother following the thread and commentators.
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"The top is not a monolith."
The monolith is waiting to be discovered on the moon. We're 6 years late as it is.
It's not a big mystery, really. Let's say the the initial failure was the west side of the 5th-from-top floor, so the antenna lists as part of that floor collapses. But the next-down floor retards the collapse, providing temporary stabilization until the rest of the upper tower's weight causes the other sides to buckle. When all of the weight of the upper part of the tower presses down, the antenna "rights itself" just as the next floor fails. Because of the unique design of the WTC towers (a point people too often fail to grasp), the towers can't support their own weight and thus the pancaking we saw.
There's no secret plot to rig it for collapse, it was designed in such a way that as soon as one floor collapsed what happened was inevitable. WTC7, on the other hand, was a standard steel girder construction and didn't come down by itself...
Anyone here seen Spamalot - tickets go on sale in Seattle in 45 minutes, we're still debating whether to go or not.
Finally figured out that's what the big line was at 8am this AM at Fred Meyer.
There is only one conspiracy theorist in this thread, and it isn't any of the "regulars". Thank you.
Floors rarely have any idea.
plantsman, kabiu gay dude | 06.23.07 - 12:36 pm | #
Only once we begin anthropomorphizing buildings can we begin to comprehend the 9/11 conspiracies.
Being bright pink, I probably would not; but if I had a warmer skin tone, I definitely would.
"Don't worry, at least a few of us bother following the thread and commentators."
Well than you for that! Is much appreciated.
Whatever was the case with FDR, its true the press steadfastly shielded the American people from bush's many emotional and mental handicaps until his overwhelming incompetence made it obvious to all but the ideologically blinded six fucking years too late.
My question is this: Would you take this jacket (second picture, obviously) with orange trim instead of grey to save yourself $70?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Probably. It would also make you more visible to the dimmer drivers.
Floors are innocents, it's the walls that have ears and the ceilings that come crashing down. Floors just lie there and take it.
My question is this: Would you take this jacket (second picture, obviously) with orange trim instead of grey to save yourself $70?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
No.
Ya hadda wait almost 6 years to ask a question?
good morning
There is only one conspiracy theorist in this thread, and it isn't any of the "regulars".
[heavy sigh]
Substance means nothing. Just appearances.
Terry C, End Bush's War Now! | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:31 pm | #
Substance is meaningful to them and they actually hate it. This was apparent back in the George McGovern era where McGovern's actual record as a medal winning war hero who survived one of the most dangerous theatres of WWII was considered nothing compared to Nixon's fearful, jittery, pretence at being tough. It's not like they go for a good act, it's as if they detect authenticity and are enraged by it.
Floors rarely have any idea.
That's why I put quotes around 'no idea'. But thanks for commenting anyway.
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Floors are innocents, it's the walls that have ears and the ceilings that come crashing down. Floors just lie there and take it.
olvlzl, no ism, no ist | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:41 pm | #
In my experience, though, floors can be kinda warped.
Ya hadda wait almost 6 years to ask a question?
plantsman, kabiu gay dude | 06.23.07 - 12:42 pm | #
ohhhhh ... hahahaha
sheeeit ... dem cornstructionist dun nozzled in some extra "monocote" not knowing what it was as they were told it was "fireproofing".
and mold knows where the mold grows
Ya hadda wait almost 6 years to ask a question?
I'm just a dumbass conspiracy theorist. When does my questioning have to begin?
That's a good question. I think it's more tied to social/cultural unease than any policies. Clinton was ready to fuck over the poor with "welfare reform", but he was obviously at home and comfortable with non-lace-curtain blacks and with white trash and that maybe what drove them so nuts.
Simpler.
Clinton in public opinion is what the MSM makes Clinton in public opinion. The MSM makes Clinton what the Washington elite want them to make him. Clinton was an Arkansas governor, not a Washington insider. He wasn't 4th generation Washington powermonger, wasn't part of their prep schools, wasn't tied to their community. In short, he was a Mongol emperor amongst the native Chinese eunuchs of the Forbidden City. So the Washington elite told the MSM to savage Clinton. And the fact that Clinton was Democratic was convenient for other MSM projects, like making Rush a media clown, er, 'hero'.
"He came in and trashed the house, and it's not his house"
Q.E.D.
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The republics hated Clinton because they were scared to death of him. He was smarter and a hell of a lot savvier than any of them and the only way they had to deal with him was to smear him.
I see the same thing with John Edwards.
WTC7, on the other hand, was a standard steel girder construction and didn't come down by itself...
puppethead
Nothing comes down by itself. Usually gravity has a lot to do with it.
I've monocoted and firetaped alot of highrise and midrise buildings
Well, I guess the savings is more like $50, since the eBay one (orange) has $17 shipping, whereas the other (grey) has free shipping.
All I know is, the outfit that was running the orange-trimmed ones a couple of days ago didn't get a bid on it at $149.99, so I think I could get the re-listed one for that.
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Jonah's a Shadoe Stevens haircutted bedhumper who pinches his dick shut and runs to the toilet to ejaculate
My floor had an idea once, but I tabled it.
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Nothing comes down by itself. Usually gravity has a lot to do with it.
JR, kerosene and a match
Fine, pedantry. WTC7 didn't collapse because of its own weight.
smalfish - I didn't take you for a conspiracy theorist. If I could draw you a picture I could pretty easily answer your question.
I also wonder why they hate Clinton so much as he delivered everything they claimed to want - "free" trade, welfare "reform" and an end to the deficit - yet they hated him.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 06.23.07 - 12:29 pm | #
That's a good question. I think it's more tied to social/cultural unease than any policies. Clinton was ready to fuck over the poor with "welfare reform", but he was obviously at home and comfortable with non-lace-curtain blacks and with white trash and that maybe what drove them so nuts.
rootless2, exile on side st. | 06.23.07 - 12:36 pm | #
Excellent point Uncle Blodge and excellent reply Rootless2
Let's not conflate the conspiracy theorists with people asking questions to further their understanding of what happened, folks.
My floor had an idea once, but I tabled it.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:47 pm | #
Don't couch your response in a bed of enigmas!
My floor had an idea once, but I tabled it.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Big deal. I went to a meeting Friday that was organized by the department chair.
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Clinton in public opinion is what the MSM makes Clinton in public opinion.
I think Cynicus has nailed it.
Q.E.D.
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Cynicus | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:45 pm | #
But the majority of the public did not buy the DC sell on Clinton. The rethuglia hatred for clinton was confined to the 30% who still love dear leader. And it was a visceral hatred - like most Rethug talkin points "bush derangement syndrome" is a distortion of an actual condition that affected them.
WTC7 didn't collapse because of its own weight.
Nor did any mysterious cabal bring it down to further PNAC's agenda...
the 9/11 tower conspiracy theories don't interest me b/c i can't see what difference it made. i mean, would the nation's reaction been more intelligent if only the two main towers fell?
it's the election theft "theories" that i am wrapped up in. because the more evidence that comes to light, the more probable it is that the theories are correct.
We're being carpeted with furnishings puns this early in the weekend? Dang.
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NTodd linked to an nice piece about the polling numbers from his favor wingnut pollers. (Rassmussen The Brave)
I replied:
Polling numbers are only good when you compare them to other polling number that are as bad or worse. So of course wingnut radio has
1) Figured that Bush is a lame duck so let him slide
2) But CONGRESS! Harry Reid! He's as low as Dick Cheney!
3) Jimmy Carter! Truman! You guys love those guys now so what's the deal?
Oh and Reagan. Reagan! We Love Reagan! He was perfect. More Reagan! Did we tell you how much Fred Thompson is like Reagan?
He knows how to give a good line reading.
Like Reagan. Did we mention how great he smells?
Re: WTC 7
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_rep...4/
appendixl.pdf
Floor ideas are easily swept under a rug.
Y'all just be happy mimi isn't around. She accused me of being a dotty old lady when I suggested that the Towers were brought down by two airliners instead of a grand conspiracy.
Big deal. I went to a meeting Friday that was organized by the department chair.
and no one heard at all, not even the chair.
You shoulda seen the stool I left in the toilet this morning.
All I'm asking is simple physics questions. Apparently that's just too fucking much to ask.
smalfish
No mang, I get you.
But that being said, how can that "listing" section become "reattached" to the rest of the structure once the motion is activated? It should have then become two separate pieces. Thus having two different trajectories.
Well, let me see if I can explain. 1) the top was no more a monolith than anything else, it only looks monolithic from far enough away.
2) They weren't "re-attached. The top section just happened to have a trajectory through the rest of the building, which, perforce, acquired a trajectory consistent with gravity and impact physics.
I've never understood the objection to conspiracy theories. Unless there is a recording or witnesses to a conspiracy you usually have to develop theories of how they operate in order to then go on and prove a conspiracy happened. The problem isn't the theories, it's answers without evidence that is where it falls down.
ql, I'm right here you biddy
But the majority of the public did not buy the DC sell on Clinton. The rethuglia hatred for clinton was confined to the 30% who still love dear leader. And it was a visceral hatred - like most Rethug talkin points "bush derangement syndrome" is a distortion of an actual condition that affected them.
rootless2, exile on side st.
Not to mention Bush was at 30% or thereabouts for over a year before the MSM caught on that he really, wasn't, you know, all that popular.
I don't think the evidence of a causal link between MSM treatment of politicans, and the public perception of politicians, really exists. Except as it makes non-political junkies sick of the whole mess and declare a plague on all their houses.
And then we get voter turnout that's the lowest in any industrialized democracy in the world. I blame Ralph Nader for that.
Like Reagan. Did we mention how great he smells?
Spocko |
I'm guessing not too good, at the present.
Oh, you mean Thompson.
Never mind.
Did we tell you how much Fred Thompson is like Reagan?
He knows how to give a good line reading.
Like Reagan. Did we mention how great he smells?
Spocko | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:50 pm | #
again, form over substance.
ql, for a quaker, you sure like to fight
Y'all just be happy mimi isn't around. She accused me of being a dotty old lady when I suggested that the Towers were brought down by two airliners instead of a grand conspiracy.
I would say the towers WERE brought down by a conspiracy. Pretty grand as well.
Nor did any mysterious cabal bring it down to further PNAC's agenda...
NTodd, Boring MEQUA
Yeah but thirty years ago when casino gambling was legalized in Atlantic City there were a lot of building fires.
Coincidence, hah!
btw Doug Feith used to like to play with matchs as a child.
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Y'all just be happy mimi isn't around. She accused me of being a dotty old lady when I suggested that the Towers were brought down by two airliners instead of a grand conspiracy.
ql-white haired
ql - she accused me of being a "civil engineer". Funny, since they don't deal with engineering buildings so much. In any case, my status as an "engineer" of any type allegedly proved that my knowledge of physics was inferior to hers, and she had never studied it at all.
ql, for a quaker, you sure like to fight
mimi
mimi's nuts!
Grab 'em!
[/dom deluise]
I've never understood the objection to conspiracy theories.
Because they dilute the discussion after we've pretty much figured shit out. There are simpler, more reasonable explanations. You know, like we fucking landed on the goddamned moon.
and they let you win at the casino because they realize you're so lucky
WTC7 didn't collapse because of its own weight.
puppethead
Well, technically, it did.
Anyways, it was structurally compromised by falling debris and burning, what more do you need?
ql, you're no quaker
it's answers without evidence that is where it falls down.
olvlzl, no ism, no ist
Straight? Or at a 20 degree angle? Or gay, or bi?
I'm so confused.
I suggested that the Towers were brought down by two airliners instead of a grand conspiracy.
big hatred requires a big villian.
ql, for a quaker, you sure like to fight
Being a Quaker and fighting ain't mutually exclusive, thank you very much.
We also fucking swear and can be asses, so I've heard.
Bart: So finally, we're all in agreement about what's going on with
the adults. Milhouse?
Milhouse: [steps up to blackboard] Ahem. OK, here's what we've got: the
Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people --
Bart: Thank you.
Milhouse: -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires --
Lisa: [sighs]
Milhouse: -- are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish
plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. [sotto voce] We're
through the looking glass, here, people...
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_rep...4/ appendixl.pdf
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
That's fascinating. Sounds like the ground underneath WTC 7 was really hollowed out for underground stuff, and if that caved it would be sort of like an earthquake in the way it effects the angles of force of the steel girders.
That's the first time I've seen an intelligent explanation, although the "let's pull it" comment needs explanation.
I have a B.Sc. in Physics dear. You have a B. Arts in Architecture.
But the majority of the public did not buy the DC sell on Clinton. The rethuglia hatred for clinton was confined to the 30% who still love dear leader. And it was a visceral hatred - like most Rethug talkin points "bush derangement syndrome" is a distortion of an actual condition that affected them.
True; but the good thing about a media consistently pushing a meme (from the view of thast meme's suporters) is that the individual who does not buy it feels isolated in not buying it. Further, if that one starts saying they don't buy it, they go unnoted in the roar. (Not to mention that others who may also tend that way get intimidated by the 'fact' that 'everyone' believes it.)
And the visceral hatred, i think, was pre-existing. It is the hate and anger and frustration of they guy who is not doing as well as he thinks he ought, is not getting what he wants, is finding himself less and less secure with every year - and he finds the 700 Club, and Rush and Newt and so on to tell him "It's all because of those Godless evil libbrals".
60 years ago it was "Godless evil Jews." 150 years ago 'Godless Irish immigrants". And so on.
the hate pre-exists. The MSM directs it towards a target, and (usually) away from the cause.
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ql, you're no quaker
Yes, she is. Don't tell us how to behave based on your stereotypes.
NTodd, I thought you were the exception to the rule
In any case, my status as an "engineer" of any type allegedly proved that my knowledge of physics was inferior to hers, and she had never studied it at all.
Say what?
An engineer inferior when it comes to physics? heh.
mimi obviously never took Statics or Dynamic. Or Fundamental Physics, for that matter.
it's the election theft "theories" that i am wrapped up in. because the more evidence that comes to light, the more probable it is that the theories are correct.
dirk gently
It actually sends shivers down my spine. Could you imagine how different the world would be if the elections were fair? I can think of over 650,000 people who would still be alive.
the 9/11 tower conspiracy theories don't interest me b/c i can't see what difference it made. i mean, would the nation's reaction been more intelligent if only the two main towers fell?
Figure WTC7 like insurance fraud. Someone steals your car and you suddenly remember your set of golf clubs were in the trunk of the car.
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i was a quaker for a short time, but had to quit because i am too genteel
I have a B.Sc. in Physics dear. You have a B. Arts in Architecture.
mimi
Funny how you neglected to mention that on the day the conversation in question occured, when you were specifically queried re: your expertise in the fields of physics and structural engineering.
In fact, it's downright queer.
NTodd, I thought you were the exception to the rule
There are no rules. We're individuals guided by our Inner Light. Mine is a foul-mouthed, nasty bugger.
"Figure WTC7 like insurance fraud."
This makes no sense to me.
I had several theories about flight 93 the one that chased in the farm land.
These were based on extensive reading from the cooperative research site that posted a lot of the first reports based on eye witnessed before a narrative could be constructed. And I based my thought that there was a problem with the assigned narrative to hard evidence that could not be faked, (seismic records) and the timeline that was clearly off by a couple of minutes.
Base on this I thought that there was something hinky. I wasn't sure what it was, but it appeared that there were problems with the official story and time line. I thought maybe it was shot down, but they didn't want to say that and would rather do the "Brave passengers save the day."
Year later they had the actual audio tapes from the group that was in charge of the entire response. You see just how unprepared they were and how poorly they responded. After that I didn't believe that they were shot down, but of course I still didn't have anyone explain why the timeline problems with the seismic data (when the plane crashed the time of the crash was recorded around the world as an event like an earthquake.)
oh, Quakers are like Christian fundies. I get it now.
Yesterday mimi linked to some really cute pictures of Knut. I spent the next half hour watching polar bear videos!
*shakes fist*
although the "let's pull it" comment needs explanation.
puppethead
I wenbt through that with someone the other night.
"Pull it" IS firefighter speak for "move outside".
"Pull it" is NOT demolitions speak for "blow up the building"
I would say the towers WERE brought down by a conspiracy. Pretty grand as well.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
I attribute it to dumb fucking luck for the terrorists. If they had flown into the Empire State Building it wouldn't have collapsed, because the WTC towers had a unique (and ultimately poor) design.
I have a B.Sc. in Physics dear. You have a B. Arts in Architecture.
Which would explain what? Why people always hire physicists to design buildings?
Oh, wait. They don't.
In fact, it's downright queer.
Jennifer
heh.
oh, Quakers are like Christian fundies. I get it now.
No, they're not. But if you'd like to continue being ignorant, feel free. You know as much about Friends as you do about 9/11, it appears.
And here I'd been trying to stick up for you in previous discussions. Guess you're just a fucktard.
I can think of over 650,000 people who would still be alive.
ql-white haired |
That's exactly right and more, a lot more. And what of all the children who will never be born because of 3500 dead American soldiers most of child raising age.
Should make a pro-lifer shudder. Well I guess there's always 'snowflakes'?
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You know as much about Friends as you do about 9/11, it appears.
I'll be there for youuuu....
(sorry)
Year later they had the actual audio tapes from the group that was in charge of the entire response. You see just how unprepared they were and how poorly they responded. After that I didn't believe that they were shot down, but of course I still didn't have anyone explain why the timeline problems with the seismic data (when the plane crashed the time of the crash was recorded around the world as an event like an earthquake.)
I would just like to see all government records relating to that day be released in their entirety. Simple answers could then be garnered.
This makes no sense to me.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
the whole wtc7 thing makes no sense to me, because it would be a huge risk, and for what? it would be like following up the bombing of nagasaki and hiroshima by looting an appliance store in okinawa.
I would say the towers WERE brought down by a conspiracy. Pretty grand as well.
Certainly, but that's not the connotation of "conspiracy theorist". That adds another meta layer of conspiracy that makes the believers somehow smarter than you. You believe in the al Qaeda conspiracy, but no, IT WAS ACTUALLY BUSH'S PENIS!
Cynicus | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:56 pm
Well said. Wow. What a lot of insightful comments today!
I would just like to see all government records relating to that day be released in their entirety. Simple answers could then be garnered.
And from that we conclude that Satan will sell Sno-Cones before said records are released.
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"Pull it" is NOT demolitions speak for "blow up the building"
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 12:58 pm | #
i thought it meant ... um, never mind.
it would be like following up the bombing of nagasaki and hiroshima by looting an appliance store in okinawa.
Hey, I love Japanese electronics...
"Pull it" IS firefighter speak for "move outside".
If true, that's an explanation. It'd be nice to cite some fire department source, though.
Which would explain what? Why people always hire physicists to design buildings?
Oh, wait. They don't.
Toonscribe
I know two, count 'em, TWO genyoowine physicists who work at JPL and I wouldn't let either one of them change a tire for me, brilliant as they truly are.
it would be like following up the bombing of nagasaki and hiroshima by looting an appliance store in okinawa.
Good line, but Okinawa was already flattened and pretty much looted by that point in time.
This makes no sense to me.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Just a joke.
;-(
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Why are we dredging up a 3-year old article to attack?
The bottom line for me is if the buildings were somehow wired to blow up, why bother with 19 nutcases and highjacking airplanes which could blown the whole deal.
For me, the single most dubious event of 9/11 is when the air traffic controller supervisor took all of the audio tapes and broke them up and distributed the pieces in multiple waste bins.
And the visceral hatred, i think, was pre-existing. It is the hate and anger and frustration of they guy who is not doing as well as he thinks he ought, is not getting what he wants, is finding himself less and less secure with every year
Or is doing as well, but not finding it makes him any more of a human being - lots of very angry exurbanites.
Possibly, the hatred of clinton is obvious and I'm being deceived by my anger at Clinton for his gross betrayal of the people who elected him. Despite that, Clinton really was the poor kid from the trailer park who made good on hard work and talent. And any genuine virtue sets off the rage.
But I also think Clinton's social legitemizing of "lower castes" pissed off the elites. It's one thing to have Condi Rice playing (badly) classical piano with her straightened hair and another to have the President hanging with Arsenio Hall on TV.
WTC building 7
mmm ... ?
now there's a thistle in my meadow
"So we decided to pull it"
they sure did a right nice job oncst they made that "decision"
What's So Catholic About Tony Blair? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
He kissed the pope ring?
Good line, but Okinawa was already flattened and pretty much looted by that point in time.
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i wish i knew more about japanese geography than i learned from pat morita.
Why isn't the corporate media reporting the story uncovered by Judicial Watch about the saudi flights?
Sheets.
"It'd be nice to cite some fire department source, though."
We did that here a while back - it had no effect.
"Simple answers could then be garnered."
Bullshit. The conspiracists will merely claim that the gummint is in on the plot.
No ammount of information will knock a tinfoil hat of the head of someone who chooses to wear it.
I know two, count 'em, TWO genyoowine physicists who work at JPL and I wouldn't let either one of them change a tire for me, brilliant as they truly are.
V for Virginia
Theorists, I'll bet? Try asking a experimentalist. Physicists who really build shit.
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Why are we dredging up a 3-year old article to attack?
Because we got bored attacking Them's That We Ain't Talking About?
But I also think Clinton's social legitemizing of "lower castes" pissed off the elites. It's one thing to have Condi Rice playing (badly) classical piano with her straightened hair and another to have the President hanging with Arsenio Hall on TV.
rootless2, exile on side st.
Best exemplified by Broderella himself:
"He came in here and trashed the place, and it's not his place!"
Speaking of Condi, where has she been lately? there are a few things going on in the world that a Secretary of State should perhaps be attending to. Or not.
For me, the single most dubious event of 9/11 is when the air traffic controller supervisor took all of the audio tapes and broke them up and distributed the pieces in multiple waste bins.
puppethead
This kind of thing (and I've heard this but don't know if it's true) is what keep conspiracy theories alive. I don't feel that we know the whole story. It may be a national security issue, but these freaks think that Bush's bowel movements are, too, so it's hard to judge.
"He came in here and trashed the place, and it's not his place!"
Jennifer | 06.23.07 - 1:07 pm | #
he stole all the w's from the typewriters.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
If you have a chance do read that Vanity Fair article. I don't remember when it came out but it was really really interesting. Also you know that the group that usually exams all the plane crashes didn't examine these. (The flight that went into the pentagon either) And THAT group is KNOWN for it's thoroughness. The timeline that I'm discussing is from the tapes of the flights black box. When it crashed and what was recorded didn't match when the seismic data said it crashed (or approx 3 minutes off) Now we also know that they didn't let the public hear that and they had a lame ass excuse for why it wasn't available.
I agree, the covering up of documents is one of the hugest methods that the Bush admin uses to their advantage.
"National Security!" they scream.
Executive Privilege!
But I do think that a good scientific exam of the plane crash in the field would have had more info had it been done by the group who always cover plane crashes.
But I also think Clinton's social legitemizing of "lower castes" pissed off the elites. It's one thing to have Condi Rice playing (badly) classical piano with her straightened hair and another to have the President hanging with Arsenio Hall on TV.
Sounds like we're saying rather the same thing with different emphases..... Clinton the outsider bringing in outsiders into "their" little world-rulling Versailles village of DC.
the fact that the outsiders he brought in could look rather like the DC elite's houseboys and caddies would have been extra fuel for the fire, i agree.
But it's the fact that this guy is coming in and thinking he's the President just because the unwashed-outside-the-Beltway voted for him that i see as the root cause.
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Here's something especially dreary:
A whacko conspiracy theory.
It's many years back
The ones about Jack
Emphatically rendered me leary.
who Condi? ... she's kept in a trunk until just before another stage act
(when the plane crashed the time of the crash was recorded around the world as an event like an earthquake.)
Spocko
Flight 93 had a very weak seismic signal. I doubt it registered as an earthquake worldwide.
The WTC collapse registered as a local 2.1 & 2.3 quakes, and did not register worldwide, and 93 piling in couldn't have generated more energy than that.
For me, the single most dubious event of 9/11 is when the air traffic controller supervisor took all of the audio tapes and broke them up and distributed the pieces in multiple waste bins.
puppethead
If it happened.
NTodd wrote that true believers of conspiracy theories hold themselves as smarter. That's true, but there can also be an element of self-loathing. For example, the Nazis big conspiracy theory, which claimed an inferior people was consistantly out smarting the master race.
The conspiracy theories about WTC are annoying because they are so pointless - what difference would it make if Bush was a criminal conspirator on top of being criminally negligent? The voting conspiracy is more tolerable because it might reveal weak points where we could interfere with ongoing vote fraud.
Nice poetry FF Moskowitz.
I suggested they stop photographing Bush above the neck. Seems fair considering...
Jonah is a pudgy soft spoiled twat who never had to do his homework.
THAT vanity fair article:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politi.../08/
norad200608
Like others, I'm often puzzled when people engage Andrew Sullivan seriously (as opposed to making fun of him). He's really just a stupid, stupid man.
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