I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Yo
Here.
Giant snake discussion and echidne makes a new thread.
Present and accounted for....
Mike J, we just bring the party upstairs.
Giant snake discussion and echidne makes a new thread.
I was busy laying a thread egg.
HRC will have to win by blowouts in ALL the remaining primaries to overtake Obama's lead in the popular vote.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 03.22.08 - 12:55 am | #
The popular vote means shit. That not the basis of winning primaries and its not the basis of winning the GE. Its just another Mark Penn/hrc moving the goal posts. It's only a measure of who piled up more votes in a few big states.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi | 03.22.08 - 12:59 am | #
MAKE THEM SAY UNH!!
Thankee, Goddess. 
The popular vote means shit...
Bjorn,a poor young country boi
yup. This has been another edition of ...
HDNetMovies has The Life Aquatic followed by Ghostbusters and we can't get a clean signal on that channel.
Every other channel works but that one.
I'm so disappointed.
well, the "popular vote" thing was brought up by Quentin, with the false HRC/Penn spin that she's winning it.
unfortunately for her, she isn't. at least not at this point. he has more deleagtes, he has won more contests, and he leads in the popular vote.
Left Coaster has a darn good analysis of popular votes, sliced and diced a few different ways.
The popular vote means shit
Don't worry. The same candidate will win the majority of the popular vote, the most states, and the most delegates.
And then the most Supers, too.
Well, Elias proves that one again, Atrios has the stupidest trolls on the internets.
fourlegsgood, stingrayer
I really feel bad for someone who's judgement is so clouded by their hatred of HRC that they would become, in essence, a racism-denier. That's pretty pathetic.
Before I go,
Ladies and Gennilmens, a round of applause for tonights winner of the Order of the Black Knight Award, Eeeee - lie - ass! Give him and his futility a really big hand.
From below:
I still like the Howard Hawks/James Arness Thing better, even tho it's in black and white.
I like that scene where, for no apparent reason, Margaret Sheridan has Kenneth Tobey tied up in a chair.
And they both seem to like it.
"Democracy Means Vote" argues that the vote count doesn't mean shit.
Irony rolls over in the grave
Don't worry. The same candidate will win the majority of the popular vote, the most states, and the most delegates.
And then the most Supers, too.
Yes.
"All of my innards are coming out!"
ola, hijos y hijas
evening bats
what's cookin'?
4Legs, wouldn't you like to see Cornyn's haid bit off by a creature?
unfortunately for her, she isn't. at least not at this point. he has more deleagtes, he has won more contests, and he leads in the popular vote.
Except he didn't win CA, Texas, Ohio, NY, MI, FLA, and, most likely, PA.
Has a candidate of a major party ever lost those states and still become the nominee?
Holy crap!!
So sorry, we threw away the hard drives, no emails 4 U!! tuff luck"
Wow Janice Dickinson is scary.
4Legs, wouldn't you like to see Cornyn's haid bit off by a creature?
Sallyh
eatage of all assholes...it's the law
I know, let's have a bunch of expensive primaries with proportional allocation, and then at the end, throw that shit away and award the nom on a completely different basis. That will bring the party together!
oh sweet jeebus, Abbot and Costello on TCM.
4Legs, wouldn't you like to see Cornyn's haid bit off by a creature?
Not much of a meal for a creature I'm afraid.
Empty ya know.
Matthew, should be.
Or maybe we need a Serge Storms.
Granted, Serge kills people...but he kills people that deserve it.
Too bad he's fictional.
Elias: palindromed. | 03.22.08 - 1:07 am | #
He won TX and MI DOESN'T COUNT.
oh sweet jeebus, Abbot and Costello on TCM.
That's what I'm watching. 47 different HBOs and no giant snakes.
eatage of all assholes...it's the law
Iz in my universe!
4Legs, well, it could just serve as an appetizer, and move on to other Repukes.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 03.22.08 - 1:08 am | #
I used to date I Don't Know, but he cheated on me with What's and occasionally who's.
Man, that was confusing...
Bjorn
I agree completely. each primary and caucus has it's own logic, its own delegate allocation process, its own dynamic, so to base a decision solely on popular vote is just silly.
alas, Penn will trot out some new spin and it will be just as silly as the last one.
Democracy Means Vote" argues that the vote count doesn't mean shit.
Irony rolls over in the grave
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
look again stupid. Your boy says the popular vote doesn't matter ... what if Hilary supporter had said that? nevermind
I may toddle off soon and watch Bride of Frankenstein.
Elsa Lanchester is hot!
4Legs, well, it could just serve as an appetizer, and move on to other Repukes.
I suspect they're like chinese food, 1/2 an hour later the monster is hungry again.
And I think that a Hillary candidacy will unite the republican party in the south like nothing else.
fourlegsgood, stingrayer | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 12:14 am | #
Gee. Where shall I hang this? Kitchen? Bathroom? Laundry room? Yes. Laundry room.
That's where all the filth is.
He won TX and MI DOESN'T COUNT.
Bjorn, don't waste your time and energy, he's a Concern Troll who refuses to take the hint and make like a tree.
I agree completely. each primary and caucus has it's own logic, its own delegate allocation process, its own dynamic, so to base a decision solely on popular vote is just silly.
alas, Penn will trot out some new spin and it will be just as silly as the last one.
If they had any sense at all they'd keep that fat evil fuck off the teevee.
4Legs, i looks at ur kittehs.
Dey makes me feel btrs.
4Legs, wouldn't you like to see Cornyn's haid bit off by a creature?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
both of them. Now.
Betcha The Monster That Challenged The World would chow down on Repubs.
Easily the finest film ever produced about a giant slug inhabiting the Salton Sea.
Tyra wins again!
4Legs, i looks at ur kittehs.
Dey makes me feel btrs
Nice.
What's up with U?
Bjorn, don't waste your time and energy, he's a Concern Troll who refuses to take the hint and make like a tree.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
You have yet to answer the ?
And your concern for me is duly noted.
4Legs, well, there's 25% of the population that loves Chimpy.
alas, Penn will trot out some new spin and it will be just as silly as the last one.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 03.22.08 - 1:10 am | #
Right! Caucuses don't matter, delegates don't matter, red states don't matter, small sates don't matter, volvo driving latte sipping states don't matter ... ugh.
4Legs, bad day, and tomorrow's going to be unnerving.
I'm voting for Ron Paul! He's my man!
4Legs, wouldn't you like to see Cornyn's haid bit off by a creature?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
both of them. Now.
Cornyn is possibly the stupidest motherfucker to ever stalk the senate.
Bjorn says the popular vote don't mean shit, and the Clinton troll agrees:
yup. This has been another edition of ...
Democracy Means Vote | 03.22.08 - 1:02 am | #
so Democracy Means Vote, but those Votes only matter if they are for HRC?
stupid fucking putz.
4Legs, mustn't forget Inhofe and Coburn.
Cornyn is possibly the stupidest motherfucker to ever stalk the senate.
fourlegsgood
dood has a lot of competition...
The Life Aquatic is finally coming in clear on the teevee. Gonna open a bottle Of Newton Vineyard 2003 Napa Valley Claret and enjoy.
Frank Zappa wrote a song about cheesy monster movies from the 50's called Cheepnis from the Roxy and Elsewhere album.
He adored those cheesy movies, and even wrote one himself (but never made it)...
Actually I can visualize a big fucking box turtle biting off Cornyn's haid.
Right! Caucuses don't matter, delegates don't matter, red states don't matter, small sates don't matter, volvo driving latte sipping states don't matter ... ugh.
You left out "chardonnay swilling" and "prius driving"
Sufferin Succotash, too bad box turtles are vegetarians. I think.
It's been many years since basic biology.
4Legs, mustn't forget Inhofe and Coburn.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 03.22.08 - 1:14 am | #
Did O help foster win in IL? He ran some ads for him. THAT's why we need O at the top o' the ticket. With hrc, we could very easily lose seats in the house and sen.
I wish my state drove a volvo
You left out "chardonnay swilling" and "prius driving"
And "Birkenstock wearing".
4Legs, mustn't forget Inhofe and Coburn.
Those two are just crazy.
Cornyn is actually stupid.
big mutant box turtles eat republicans
I imagine eating things you pick up off the ground at a Superfund site would be less toxic than eating your average Republican politician...
There is a really intelligent ecological novel titled deceptively like a Monster From The Sea movie, with a clever alien and well thought out problems, but we forget its title. Possibly something to do with a Kraken.
And "Birkenstock wearing".
Oh, right.
You left out "chardonnay swilling" and "prius driving"
And "Birkenstock wearing".
Sufferin' Succotash | 03.22.08 - 1:17 am | #
Why didn't they just come out and say what they meant -DFHs.
Best Awful Science Fiction Movie of All Time -- The Head/Brain That Couldn't/Wouldn't Die
It had a different title (though similar) in the opening and closing credits.
Unintentially Funniest Creature Movie -- The Killer Shrews.
The shrews were played by German shepherds with long hair glued on them.
Bjorn says the popular vote don't mean shit, and the Clinton troll agrees: -mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
again, obsession and want blur reality. don't assume - think ...
There is a really intelligent ecological novel titled deceptively like a Monster From The Sea movie, with a clever alien and well thought out problems, but we forget its title. Possibly something to do with a Kraken.
If U remember, let me know.
Sufferin Succotash, too bad box turtles are vegetarians.
I disagree. A Big Box Turtle would mistake Cornyn's head for a head of cabbage, and zap!!
The Senate's average IQ would jump about 50 points.
Can you be a DFH if you can't afford Birkenstocks? Should I be DFH II grade?
Toons, my kind of movies!
Got wind at your end of the Valley?
Unintentially Funniest Creature Movie -- The Killer Shrews.
Night of the Lepus was on TCM last week.
Dredged up from below:
Republicans that vote for Barack with his nifty 'Democrat for a Day' signup number which includes forms to resignup as an R again?
Y'all's is a "just so" analysis.
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QuentinCompson&TheDisbelievers | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 12:50 am | #
Prove it.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi | 03.22.08 - 12:54 am
http://www.taylormarsh.com/
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http://www.taylormarsh.com/
image...obamaflyer2.jpg
http://
www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=4724680
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archi...ew.php?
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etc etc googlable
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Why didn't they just come out and say what they meant -DFHs.
Who are on teh INTERTUBES!!
the horror!!
There is a really intelligent ecological novel titled deceptively like a Monster From The Sea movie, with a clever alien and well thought out problems, but we forget its title. Possibly something to do with a Kraken.
The Kraken Wakes - John Wyndham
Can you be a DFH if you can't afford Birkenstocks? Should I be DFH II grade?
Echidne
in college, I got my fix by working in a store that sold birks...typically paid about 30 bucks a pair
Mike J, love Night of the Lepus.
Got wind at your end of the Valley?
Sallyh -- not a bit of wind here. I was just out on the patio having a smoke.
Can you be a DFH if you can't afford Birkenstocks? Should I be DFH II grade?
Echidne | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 1:19 am | #
Birkenstocks - nature's contraception.
Can you be a DFH if you can't afford Birkenstocks? Should I be DFH II grade?
I don't know.
I find their whole system to be confusing and counter productive.
Godzilla vs. The Smog Monster was an early, environmentally monster movie.
Even had a theme song "Save the Earth".
The GOP and the MSM would call for a boycott of it today...
Birkenstocks - nature's contraception.
Can you be a DFH if you can't afford Birkenstocks? Should I be DFH II grade?
I got my Birks for $40 at Costco.
Or Sam's, I forget which. Ironically, it was probably Sam's.
4Legs, I think one can still be a liberal and like nice shoes. At least that's what Hecate tells me.
There is a really intelligent ecological novel titled deceptively like a Monster From The Sea movie, with a clever alien and well thought out problems, but we forget its title. Possibly something to do with a Kraken.
The Kraken Wakes, by John Wyndham, who also wrote The Day of The Triffids. It was published in this country under the title Out Of The Deeps. And it's pretty intelligent considering it was written in the early 50s. Aliens land on earth but since they're used to a high pressure environment they set up shop in the deepest parts of the oceans, where they then trigger...global warming.
Heh.
Toons, we're getting gusts on this side. But I'm on a hilltop, so that makes it worse.
Right now on the Soup "the dynamic duo of sexiness."
Birkenstocks - nature's contraception.
I do wear the LL Bean's Smurf shoes. They work really well, too.
Night of the Lepus was on TCM last week.
Night of the Lepus is Shakespeare compared to The Killer Shrews.
IIRC, The Killer Shrews was shot near Dallas.
Here
k&y nobunaga | 03.22.08 - 1:21 am | # [kill][hide comment]
A good companion book = John Christopher's "No Blade of Grass."
Thanks k&Y
On the Wyndham book, see the above link.
And it's pretty intelligent considering it was written in the early 50s.
???!?
And it's pretty intelligent considering it was written in the early 50s.
By "intelligent" I meant "prescient".
I'm on a hilltop, so that makes it worse.
Hold on tight and don't get blown away.
4Legs, id wurree about Maddie if i wuz u.
She getin beeg enuf to take ovr da planet. Or at lst eet ur leg.
By "intelligent" I meant "prescient".
Sufferin' Succotash | 03.22.08 - 1:25 am | # [kill][hide comment]
[wipes forehead in relief]
I was curious, and I did a bit of research into the "tarring and feathering" that we did as political protest back in the day.
I thought that it would result in very serious burns, but the worst results seemed to happen to British Navy ne'er do wells. They would pour the highly heated tar over the miscreants head like a cap. Then ditch the dude at the first available landing place.
The British Navy was really kind of an asshole.
I just got a bunch of stuff from Amazon. Including "The Prestige" which I hadn't realized was a novel.
etc etc googlable
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QuentinCompson&TheDisbelievers | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 1:20 am | #
Those are not from the Obama campaign, they look like some off the wall pukes just trying to fuck with the system.
My cat has already taken over the planet.
Or she thinks she has, which amounts to the same thing.
Adorably retarded Russian model coming up on Soup. We regret we never saw his opinion on Putin, whom he prolly adores. However, his deeply Freudian attempt to "rescue" a plastic fetus will be featured.
Footage of Tarkovsky directing his final film, The Sacrifice from Chris Marker's documentary One Day in the Life of Andrei Ansevevich.
It's the first time I've seen it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1...h?v=1c8TPVib-
Kw
Sufferin, this is our cats' house.
They just let us live here.
And it's pretty intelligent considering it was written in the early 50s.
You're pretty stupid considering that you're writing in the year 2008.
well, the "popular vote" thing was brought up by Quentin, with the false HRC/Penn spin that she's winning it.
Mischaracterization - we were discussing relative antipathy toward O and C in the South and I pointed out that C beat O in flg's state. And now we're at the blame-it-on-the-Rs phase, but not the Good Rs who vote for O.
Fading, however.
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I was at my credit union today standing in long line and one woman (Hispanic) was saying she hoped she didn't fall asleep waiting because she'd gotten up so early this morning. We enquired why (we meaning the woman just behind me and me), and she had helped organize the Obama event this morning. We started talking, and others around joined in, including a VN Vet, and pretty soon we were all but missing our turns to do our bidness w/the teller. It ended with hugs all aroubd, hope in the air. It was really something.
Well to be fair to the old RN, they had quite a challenge disciplining those young fellows, many of whom they had kidnapped and forced into military slavery against their will.
real DFH II Grade latte-sippers wear New Balance.
When my youngest sister was three she crayoned her name on almost all the walls of the house. When asked why she did it she answered: "So that people would know whose house this is."
but not the Good Rs who vote for O.
Fading, however.
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QuentinCompson&TheDisbelievers | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 1:28 am | #
Not all O's R's are good, obviously.
4Legs, id wurree about Maddie if i wuz u.
She getin beeg enuf to take ovr da planet. Or at lst eet ur leg.
I fully expect that one day they will find nothing but a pile of hooves and part of my tail.
Sufferin, this is our cats' house.
They just let us live here.
Of course. Your raison d'etre is opening cans.
You open, therefore you are.
Refreshingly concise philosophy...
I found a Christian novel (Entitled "70x7") in my mail box Thursday. Mind you, I have to use a key to get into my box, and the book was not wrapped and there were no address labels on it, so obviously no one ordered it for me. I am a devout Atheist. Although I tossed the book into the recycle bin, I'm wondering how anyone other than my mailman would have access to my box.
k&y nobunaga | 03.22.08 - 1:29 am | # [kill][hide comment]
You two must've read Arkady and Boris Strugatsky?
G'night.
We enquired why (we meaning the woman just behind me and me), and she had helped organize the Obama event this morning. We started talking, and others around joined in, including a VN Vet, and pretty soon we were all but missing our turns to do our bidness w/the teller. It ended with hugs all aroubd, hope in the air. It was really something.
And there in lies the tale.
Sufferin, the last time the feeder ran out overnight, they made sure I was awake at 3.30 a.m. to fill it.
As a properly trained cat slave, I obliged them.
nothing says in the tank like Taylor Marsh.
well, maybe Jerome Armstrong, but ....
You two must've read Arkady and Boris Strugatsky?
Never heard of them.
so Democracy Means Vote, but those Votes only matter if they are for HRC?
stupid fucking putz. -mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
yes, great rejoinder onto me but HRC has NEVER stood for a BHO vote not being counted. However, this time party rules seem greater than Democracy
Sarah, this is Obama territory extraordinaire. The grumbling over the current situation is alive and well in our district.
It ended with hugs all aroubd, hope in the air. It was really something.
Sarah Deere
The hillary supporters are never going to accept that she has lost.
I used to wear LL Bean duck shoes, but that was back when I voted republican.
yes, great rejoinder onto me but HRC has NEVER stood for a BHO vote not being counted.
someone hasn't been paying attention, but hey, thanks for playing.
Johnny, what do we have for tonight's Clinton Troll?
yes, great rejoinder onto me but HRC has NEVER stood for a BHO vote not being counted.
So why was she challenging the Texas caucuses where she got her ass kicked?
Never heard of them.
k&y nobunaga | 03.22.08 - 1:31 am | # [kill][hide comment]
You'd probably find 'em interesting. Their book Roadside Picnic is what Tarkovsky based Stalker on, for whatever that's worth.
You two must've read Arkady and Boris Strugatsky?
Never heard of them.
k&y nobunaga | 03.22.08 - 1:31 am | #
Haven't read anything by them, just saw Tarkovsky's Stalker, which was based on their novel, Roadside Picnic....
The hillary supporters are never going to accept that she has lost.
Why do you hate teh chicks?
As a properly trained cat slave, I obliged them.
As Colonel Sato says: "be happy in your work."
this time party rules seem greater than Democracy
It's a party contest. Harold Ickes, a party member, voted for the rules.
If you don't like our party, don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
HRC will have to win by blowouts
bad metaphor club.
Phila, Race Traitor | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 1:33 am | #
Did you like the film? I read that Andrei changed the source material considerably, like he did with Solaris....
Why do you hate teh chicks?
I thought we already established that I am evil.
d00d we r never going to score with these hawt feminists if you diss hil like this...
good night
Leibniz, had to present a talk this morning.
This was right after I'd learned that Mlle had some potentially horrible plans, which we will find out about tomorrow.
Shakiest fucking hour of my life. Probably the worst presentation I ever gave.
I, too, am turning in. Gotta go snuggle with teh kitteh.
d00d we r never going to score with these hawt feminists if you diss hil like this...
They won't vote for an Authorization to Use MikeJ Foreplay?
4Legs, I'm just waiting for Chickasaurus Rex to be in production.
Josh has this delightful letter up:
I won't get upset about Hillary being called a loser. Why? Because I already have plan B figured out.
I got really emotional about it before I realized that I would vote McCain and a straight top to bottom GOP lineup if Hillary isn't the nominee and leave the party if Florida isn't counted.
Its not about winning anymore.
I don't know what to say about that.
sallyh-
I am sure you did fine. When I was in grad school I used to pick up a few bucks administering the MCATS. In one session I had a student throw up. In another, a student peed on the floor rather than lose time going to the bathroom.
And the Brits would keelhaul a man. Out at sea they would rope a person, toss him over the side, let him simmer awhile, then tug him back over the other side of the boat.
They were some sick fucks.
They won't vote for an Authorization to Use MikeJ Foreplay?
I could probably get behind that one...
Night, all....
ok,
one baby down, another one expected to awake in 2 hours. time for a little cat nap.
keep up the good fight, batses!
PS: quentin, if you are still here, I thought you were talking about national popular vote count, not just in Texas. sorry if I misunderstood.
Did you like the film? I read that Andrei changed the source material considerably, like he did with Solaris....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 03.22.08 - 1:34 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Hard to say! It's been about twnety years since I watched it, and I've gone back and forth on Tarkovsky over the years. I did like a lot of stuff about it, but I'd have to watch it again to have any idea of how I feel now.
Another one of the Strugatskys' books was filmed in 1990 or thereabouts, with Werner Herzong as one of the stars. Pretty ghastly, IMO, but interesting as a curiosity.
This was right after I'd learned that Mlle had some potentially horrible plans, which we will find out about tomorrow.
Oh, god. I'm afraid to ask.
Leibniz, I got a ton of questions, and I wanted to scream, will you all just shut up???!!!
I kept it together as well as I could, and then ran to my car and cried all the way up the freeway.
It's a party contest. Harold Ickes, a party member, voted for the rules. If you don't like our party, don't let the door hit ya on the way out. -MikeJ
finally, a kindred dem, I thionk Ickes is a superdelegate too, and in OUR party the RULES allow super delegates can support who they choose ... god, I love democracy and our parties ACCEPTED rules... How about you cultists?
I kept it together as well as I could, and then ran to my car and cried all the way up the freeway.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 03.22.08 - 1:39 am | # [kill]
Very sorry, Sally.
Ickes can vote for whoever he wants. I don't expect Obama to win all of the supers, probably only about 2/3s.
And I'm happy to stand by the rules, like the one stripping MI and FL of delegates that Ickes voted for.
How about you cultists?
Democracy Means Vote | 03.22.08 - 1:40 am | # [kill][hide comment]
We're planning to cut your head off, skin it, and shove it up your ass.
See, we have our rules, too.
I got really emotional about it before I realized that I would vote McCain and a straight top to bottom GOP lineup if Hillary isn't the nominee and leave the party if Florida isn't counted.
Its not about winning anymore.
I don't know what to say about that.
fourlegsgood, stingrayer | Homepage
I say
It's the Supreme Court, stupid.
The one and only reason i could fill in that circle for HRC.
I kept it together as well as I could, and then ran to my car and cried all the way up the freeway.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 03.22.08 - 1:39 am | # [kill]
Very sorry, Sally.
Me too.
What do you think Mlle is going to do?
We're planning to cut your head off, skin it, and shove it up your ass.
See, we have our rules, too.
I luv U madly, U noes
I say
It's the Supreme Court, stupid.
The one and only reason i could fill in that circle for HRC.
She won't compete here, and I'm in Texas. It won't matter what I do.
What do you think Mlle is going to do?
fourlegsgood, stingrayer | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 1:42 am | # [kill][hide comment]
I shudder to think. But at the same time, speaking of the parent of a drunk, and the friend or partner of several substance abusers and nutcases, I have to echo what other people have said. At some point, Sally simply has to disengage. Not in the sense of not caring, obviously, but in the sense of realizing where her power ends.
Back atcha, 4legs.
I say we play dirty, and reveal that McCain is 71 years old.
GodDamnAmerica Obama:
"As a campaign strategy, guilt-tripping whitey works like a charm--these mush-heads are so bunched-up with guilt they don't give a fuck what my politics are--...heh..."
I shudder to think. But at the same time, speaking of the parent of a drunk, and the friend or partner of several substance abusers and nutcases, I have to echo what other people have said. At some point, Sally simply has to disengage. Not in the sense of not caring, obviously, but in the sense of realizing where her power ends.
I think that's true too.
Though I know it's terribly hard to do.
I say we play dirty, and reveal that McCain is 71 years old.
Is it true that every year on his birthday he crashes a jet, just to show he's still got the touch?
I say we play dirty, and reveal that McCain is 71 years old.
MP | 03.22.08 - 1:46 am | # [kill][hide comment]
No one will believe us. They'll take one look at him and say, "There's no way he's under 80."
I say we play dirty, and reveal that McCain is 71 years old.
I say we take a gazillion photos of his wattles and goiter.
Im a lurker and I hardly post. But today after hearing Bill Clinton, I posted that I thought he was a traitor. I got called an A-hole by Terry C.
I fought with republicans for years how great Bill was for the economy, the millions of jobs created and I didn't think the BJ was a big deal.
I even thought at the time Bill was great at preventing the Neocons from Pressuring him into a war in the MiddleEast after the 1993 WTC bombing.
But what they are doing now is disgusting. Dem Party first, yourself 2nd is my motto.
When are they going to wake up and see that this over. The only way to win is the dirty way and my country has been dirtied for almost 8 years and I am sick of it!
And I'm happy to stand by the rules, like the one stripping MI and FL of delegates that Ickes voted for.
MikeJ
great. So if Obama tries to steal the over the top for Hilary vote from the Super-delegates by claiming more popular and delegate votes, we can count on your support in putting down any "violation of the rules" insurection? right?
Child of a drunk, I meant to say.
'night, Goddess - thanks for the threads, Hope you have a sweet-dream-filled night.
I still can't get over McBush taking Lindsey Graham as his familiar.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi | 03.22.08 - 1:27 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
ta...oc_b_82496.html
Last freebie - google works for you, too. Read the articles. The Obama camp has a "Democrat for a Day" tactic they have employed.
If the rules allow it, there's nothing wrong with it. But it's *there*.
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sallyh-
It sounds as if you were stoic enough to make it through. My thoughts are with you. (Stoicism has a lot to say for itself.)
Huh? How would Obama "steal" vote if Clinton gets 65% of the remaining delegates and 70% of the remaining super without losing any?
If she can do that, she wins.
Im a lurker and I hardly post. But today after hearing Bill Clinton, I posted that I thought he was a traitor. I got called an A-hole by Terry C.
I'm sorry.
I agree with you. I defended Clinton for years, but I have to admit that he's an asshole.
simply has to disengage. Not in the sense of not caring, obviously, but in the sense of realizing where her power ends.
as 4LG noted, not easy to do. It can rip you apart.
Im a lurker and I hardly post. But today after hearing Bill Clinton, I posted that I thought he was a traitor. I got called an A-hole by Terry C.
I feel your pain. Earlier today, I was sitting in a restaurant, and the people at the table next to me were talking about how Obama is a great candidate, blah blah blah.
I stood up and said, "You people are completely full of shit. He's a monster of vanity, and he's hopelessly inexperienced. Wake the fuck up already."
They told me to fuck off and mind my own business. I don't know what this world is coming to.
Child of a drunk, I meant to say.
Me too.
I'm sure it's easier for a kid to walk away than for a parent to do it.
Im a lurker and I hardly post. But today after hearing Bill Cl--
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I feel your pain. Earlier today, I was sitting in a restaurant, and the people at the table next to me were talking about how Obama is a great candidate, blah blah blah.
Wait, I think I was in that restaurant. Are you the one who ordered a nudibranch on a hard roll, hold the mayo?
I stood up and said, "You people are completely full of shit. He's a monster of vanity, and he's hopelessly inexperienced. Wake the fuck up already."
They told me to fuck off and mind my own business. I don't know what this world is coming to.
We've all gone MAD!!
as 4LG noted, not easy to do. It can rip you apart.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 1:51 am | # [kill][hide comment]
True enough. But consider the alternative. The drunk's MO, for instance, is often to make you feel responsible for whatever happens to him or her. A lot of times, all micromanaging things does is make it worse for the other person and for yourself.
I don't know what this world is coming to.
I saw a couple of suburban-type moms with some girls driving in a car with an "Obama" bumpersticker on it.
I honked and waved. Fellow Democrats and all...
I'm sure it's easier for a kid to walk away than for a parent to do it.
fourlegsgood, stingrayer | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 1:52 am | # [kill]
It absolutely is, I'm sure.
We've all gone MAD!!
Get your filthy hands off me, you damn dirty apes!
Sally, you reminded me of the old Dory Previn song, about a woman being so pent up she's screaming, alone in her car and gets pulled over by a cop.
Twenty Mile Zone
My timing may stink terribly but there is it.
I'll add my best wishes, again, too.
True enough. But consider the alternative. The drunk's MO, for instance, is often to make you feel responsible for whatever happens to him or her. A lot of times, all micromanaging things does is make it worse for the other person and for yourself.
In my case, the break was made easier by admitting to myself that my father was an asshole and it had nothing to do with him being a drunk.
My rant
Terry C is one person, doesn't speak for all. She must type 120wpm.
Bill's actions throughout this campaign have tarnished his both his personal standing, as well as "the ex-presidency." imho. too bad. icky poo poo.
Have you guys got that Obama vs Clinton thing sorted out yet? Blub, blub, blub.
OK, out of coffee beans. Have to remedy this before the Seattle secret police find out and haul me away.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 03.22.08 - 1:39 am
No prob. I know how it is. And what a steeep grade she faces.
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Terry C is one person, doesn't speak for all.
She speaks for me.
Esp. when it comes to trolls.
It's true. Clinton and Obama shouldn't have drowned Mary Jo.
I agree with you. I defended Clinton for years, but I have to admit that he's an asshole.
Doesn't this just suck? All those years of defending him from the crazies. Now he is one of the crazies. And he won't - shut - up.
And it's happening a lot - I think a lot of Hillary people have internalized the madness.
Dear Penthouse: I'm a lurker, and I hardly ever post, but today something happened that I never thought would happen to me...
all micromanaging things does is make it worse for the other person and for yourself.
Phila, Race Traitor
I know it. It's just horrible, though, like watching a slo-mo train wreck and knowing there's nothing you can do about it. It is most certainly worlds more difficult for a parent than for a child because we are supposed to proptect our children. Leaving behind a parent who won't help themself is most definitely hard, but the pain tends to come a bit later - at least in my experience. At the time, when you're in the middle of it, a lot of us resent the hell out of our parent-drunks.
ronjazz is the only troll fighter i enjoy
Dear Penthouse...
DING DING DING DING DING!
It's true. Clinton and Obama shouldn't have drowned me. It was an enigma wrapped in a racial riddle.
Huh? How would Obama "steal" vote if Clinton gets 65% of the remaining delegates and 70% of the remaining super without losing any? If she can do that, she wins. MikeJ
not what I said. what i said was that if Clinton wins overall by including the superdelegates, will you defend the vote as legitimate and within the rules?
I'm so angry at Bill Clinton that I'm going to build a time machine, travel back to 1996 election, and vote against him.
It's a matter of principle.
I want a Troll Vaporizer. One touch and they're gone forever.
I'm so angry at Bill Clinton that I'm going to build a time machine, travel back to 1996 election, and vote against him.
It's a matter of principle.
Talk to Maddie. She's all over that shit.
a lot of us resent the hell out of our parent-drunks.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 2:01 am | # [kill][hide comment]
That's for goddamn sure.
i could give a flying fuck about bill clinton and want him to go away
next
I'm so angry at Bill Clinton that I'm going to build a time machine, travel back to 1996 election, and vote against him.
Maybe you can bring back some of those wall posters the Wall Street Journal used to sell detailing the vast tentacles of the Billary octopus.
I'm so angry at Bill Clinton that I'm going to build a time machine, travel back to 1996 election, and vote against him.
Can I borrow your time machine to go back to 1945 and cut off Bush 41's dick?
well, Phila, I voted Nader in 96, so time machine not needed
(but gore in 2000 and fought hard, lots of hrs)
a lot of us resent the hell out of our parent-drunks.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 2:01 am | # [kill][hide comment]
That's for goddamn sure.
This is going to sound awful, but mine died a really, really bad death and is now roasting in hell.
I don't resent him as much any more.
next
ErinPDX | 03.22.08 - 2:04 am | # [kill][hide comment]
So you're not gonna support Chelsea in 2020? You're gonnas support one of Obama's kids instead?
It's cultists like you who are destroying the party.
Dear Penthouse: I'm a lurker, and I hardly ever post, but today something happened that I never thought would happen to me...
Harry Doghiney (D-TX) | 03.22.08 - 2:00 am | #
Okay, I laughing at this one. I know lurker sounds bad. I did however step in once to defend an atriot who was being beat up by Gen. Zod in the middle of night, when no good people were around to defend her/him.
Back to the cave......
If she can do that, she wins. MikeJ
not what I said. what i said was that if Clinton wins overall by including the superdelegates, will you defend the vote as legitimate and within the rules? -Democracy Means Vote
MikeJ, MikeJ ... Spewler?
This election will hopefully get us past Chimpy, but also Clenis.
I'm sick to death of them both.
How old is John McCain?
John McCain is so old that when he gets sick,he calls an archeologist.
ronjazz is the only troll fighter i enjoy
ErinPDX
Yes. Backslider's gone.
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I don't resent him as much any more.
fourlegsgood, stingrayer
that almost made me laugh and I was immediately ashamed of myself (a little).
So you're not gonna support Chelsea in 2020? You're gonnas support one of Obama's kids instead?
I'm going to be supporting Nader that year.
McCain is so old that he used to babysit Simels.
I'm sick to death of them both.
MP
No shit.
Thank goodness the State Dept passport crap came out today because I couldn't bear what would have been media scrutiny of clenis' opportunistic photo opps w/his pseudo homies, Wright and the other clergy.
just make it go away
that almost made me laugh and I was immediately ashamed of myself (a little).
I don't feel the least bit bad.
Well, I actually do feel bad for the people who offer me condolences when they hear my father is dead.
just make it go away
Amen.
Oh wait, I'm an atheist.
McCain is so old that he used to babysit Simels.
Knowing that could help with the therapy.
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Well, another night shift with the batshit insane Obamaites.
Later...
John McCain is so old he once got shot down by a north vietnamese T Rex.
McCain is so old that he used to babysit Simels
lol
Backslider is surely missed
Party unity is unpossible among the bat shit insane.
sorreeee
"increasingly disturbed by the criticisms and racial tones and then impressed with Obama and what the governor called his courageous race speech this week. And that clinched it for Richardson.
What we didn't see or hear was last night's phone conversation when Richardson made the courtesy call to Clinton to inform her she was not his choice. Doesn't sound like that went too friendly. "It was a painful conversation for me that I had with Sen. Clinton last night," Richardson told CNN's John King today.
King bored in, saying he'd heard from others that such conversations with the Clintons could actually be downright unpleasant. "Well," Richardson added, "let's say it was a difficult conversation." That leaves a good deal to the imagination about what might have been said about ingratitude."
lol
i can't to have a new head of the democratic party and the clintons can go back to buckraking full-time
drunk on the obamajizz, i am
What we didn't see or hear was last night's phone conversation when Richardson made the courtesy call to Clinton to inform her she was not his choice. Doesn't sound like that went too friendly. "It was a painful conversation for me that I had with Sen. Clinton last night," Richardson told CNN's John King today.
King bored in, saying he'd heard from others that such conversations with the Clintons could actually be downright unpleasant. "Well," Richardson added, "let's say it was a difficult conversation." That leaves a good deal to the imagination about what might have been said about ingratitude."
hee
Rev Wright was there for Clenis in his hour of need. Bill really should return the favour.
McCain's so old he knows that the chicken came before the egg.
i can't to have a new head of the democratic party and the clintons can go back to buckraking full-time
As a 75 year old democratic activist here (female) said to me, "we'll see just how committed Senator clinton is to actually being the junior senator of NY"
McCain's so old he knows that the chicken came before the egg.
McCain is so old he greeted the first creature to crawl out of the slime.
Quick! Get some water in a bucket!
I'm gonna run along. G'night.
McCain is so old he knew McAble....
This election will hopefully get us past Chimpy, but also Clenis. I'm sick to death of them both. -MP
yes, i am sure you are?
take your sick and shove it up your ass ... you aren't fit to carry President Clinton's shoes let alone past judgment on his presence in or about his relevance to this Country - have your opinions (of which he fought to preserve your rights therein) but keep your fucking Soap Opera in your head- nobody besides a few nuts here and a world of the wingnutosphere give a shit
I'm gonna run along. G'night.
Good night.
I think I am too.
Sarah Deere, so nice to see you and hear of your hopeful story. Take care all.
night.
McCain is so old he knew McAble....
ellroon
[groan & a golf clap]
Hmph! I show up and make some absolutely splendiferous jokes and everybody leaves...
ellroon - excellent!! LOL!
Sarah, you truly are a dear.
I love this "South Will Rise Again stuff. Based on what, exactly? You folks played ter hand, and got yer lunch handed to you.
'nighters phila, 4LG, Erin...sweetest of dreams to you all.
Erin, if you're still here, though, did you go this morning?
Obama Fever in Europe
By Katrin Bennhold
If Renaud Bombard, the head of the French publishing house Presses de la Cité, had planned the timing of Senator Barack Obama’s much celebrated speech on race and religion himself, he could hardly have done better.
On Thursday, two days after a speech that is being widely read and viewed in Europe, Presses de la Cité released the French translation of Mr. Obama’s best-selling memoir, “Dreams From my Father.” It appeared in German bookstores the same day, after being published in Italy last November.
“The hype surrounding his speech this week was quite something,” Mr. Bombard said in a telephone interview on Thursday. “Obviously that’s great news for the book.”
The fact that a black man may become the Democratic presidential candidate has intrigued Europeans at a time when such a prospect still seems far off in most countries on the Continent.
Mr. Bombard of Presses de la Cité is betting that the book will sell well. He has printed an initial 9,000 copies and does not exclude a second edition, especially if Mr. Obama wins the nomination.
Mr. Obama’s other book, “The Audacity of Hope
well, well. QC, trademark, and some anonymous troll savaging the majority.
just another lovely night shift on eschaton...
Sweet dreams, everyone.
Party unity is unpossible among the bat shit insane.
sorreeee
fourlegsgood, stingrayer
agreed, as long as we can conceded that the Clintons are racist and evil incarnate we gotz no problemns with youz reakitues and shitz ...
ellroon, same goes. XXOO.
Barack Obama's campaign, after a week of largely playing defense over his spiritual mentor's sermons, is going on the offense with a vengeance this morning with a memo accusing Hillary Clinton of "a history of misleading voters."
The memo cites a new Gallup poll in which 53 percent of Americans say Clinton is not trustworthy -- 63 percent for Obama and 67 percent for presumptive Republican nominee John McCain -- and argues that such a low honesty score makes Clinton unelectable in the fall.
"After eight years of an untrustworthy President, can we really expect that a candidate who is viewed as so much more dishonest than McCain will somehow be able to beat him?" the memo asks.
Then, the memo goes on to cite Clinton's newly released schedules as first lady to assert that they cast grave doubt on her claims of experience and accomplishment on family leave, foreign policy, and other issues. The memo also accuses Clinton of dishonesty on the North American Free Trade Agreement, of disingenuousness on the disputed Florida and Michigan primaries, and of abetting a false rumor that Obama is Muslim during a recent "60 Minutes" interview.
http://www.boston.com/news/
polit..._goes_on_o.html
There are 15 people sound asleep at their keyboards...
*ahem*
I'm ssSSSIIIIiiIINNnnGgGgggging in the raaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiinnnnnn, oh just siiiiiinnnnnggging in the raaaaaaaaaaaaaaain...
Whadda glorious ffFEEEeeEllliInnngggg I'm HAAAAAAAAAAAaappyyy again...
/tappity tappity tap....
Good night sweet peeps! May the flying monkeys not harass you while you sleep!
The article got the % numbers backwards ( trustworthy -not trustworthy)
Ok, I'm back. What do I think of the fairy tale that Obama might be ahead in popular vote, states won, and delegates won and then the superdelegates come in and hand it to Hillary? About the same as I think about giant lizards influencing the convention. It's just not gonna happen.
To address the lie about "changing the rules" for supers, nobody has suggested it. Obama has pointed out to supers that if they thwart the will of the people, most of them will have to go home and let those people vote against them. That's life. I've not hear anybody suggest that supers would be forced to ignore the will of the voters, merely that they do so at their own peril.
ellroon - g'night!!!
(did you read that letter to the NYT - from Kelly's widow re: MoDo comparing Shrub to Gene Kelly? - Priceless!)
I swear to god I'll kill 'em all. I'll kill every single last one of them and enjoy doing it.
Where is anybody. Just watched Bill Moyers' program on "Body of War", the documentary about one soldier who came back paralyzed by a wound received in Iraq. It makes me realize I'm lucky to sometimes put the war aside for days at a time; this young man, like so many, lives with it every hour of every day . . .
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Do you think McCain will be allowed to have Joe Lieberman with him at the debates against Obama?
Without help, will he know where he is?
Hey Woot and SP!
And while we're drawing from classic Hollywood musicals...
..."Shoveling cars out on day two of Spring, that is not one of my favorite things..."
Snow again in Milwaukee, Roadmaster? I hear we'll be getting some part of a snow storm down here in central OH, too.
Our basement is already flooded because the ground is supersaturated. Hope this turns out good for the farmers cuz it sure isn't good for me.
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Our basement is already flooded because the ground is supersaturated. Hope this turns out good for the farmers cuz it sure isn't good for me.
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Sparkle Plenty
Hey SP!
Yeah, still snowing - last gasps of a storm that was predicted as recently as yesterday to be 3" to 6" - now widespread 12" plus.
I'd rather deal with snow than a flooded basement, though.
Is it unusual for your basement to flood inb the spring, or is it somewhat regular every few springs?
Obama has pointed out to supers that if they thwart the will of the people, most of them will have to go home and let those people vote against them. That's life. I've not hear anybody suggest that supers would be forced to ignore the will of the voters, merely that they do so at their own peril. -MikeJ
gee, what if it were Hilary ? This has been another edition of ...
Mark Penn is REALLY desperate - I say he's the one pushing HRC to fight 'til death -
Because if he loses, he'll never manage another campaign again. His time has come and is going.
Oh, the flooding is fairly frequent. We're on low ground across from a stream with a hill behind us. When we get lots of rain the water pours down hill and springs up all over the place and passes through our basement on its way to the stream.
Usually a sump pump keeps ahead of it, but if it comes too fast or if the ground is frozen or already saturated, it can be a mess down there. We just went out and bought an auxiliary pump to try and keep up.
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gee, what if it were Hilary
I'm all for the supers reflecting the will of the voters, even if the voters don't pick my personal first choice.
Happily, I don't think that will be an issue this time.
I really want Obama to be the nominee. Everyone seems to think it's pretty much six of one/ half dozen of another since their positions on policy are so similar.
But their philosophies of government are so different; Obama really wants to activate voters and keep them involved in the decision making/oversight process. I'd love to see government institutions reformed to accommodate that.
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woot, what are you doing up?
I really want Obama to be the nominee. Everyone seems to think it's pretty much six of one/ half dozen of another since their positions on policy are so similar.
But their philosophies of government are so different; Obama really wants to activate voters and keep them involved in the decision making/oversight process. I'd love to see government institutions reformed to accommodate that.
I do too.
I'd like to see US run the party, not the big donor fat cats and the Mark Penns and Terry McAullife's of the world.
I just don't understand all these progressives who are cheering Hillary on, when that's what she stands for.
I do not get it.
Happily, I don't think that will be an issue this time.
MikeJ
I hope you're right.
BTW - have you heard any of the scuttlebutt on HRC's semi-secretive membership in a fundamentalist Washington DC prayer group? There's a new book coming out soon - the author was on Canadian Broadcasting's "As It Happens" show yesterday.
Story also ran last year in Mother Jones.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/...rys-
prayer.html
http://www.alternet.org/election...ection08/80248/
Eh, all religions look stupid to those who aren't members. People should be able to wear their purple robes and Nikes and await the coming comet with anybody, even conservatives.
Why haven't we heard about John McCain's Incan style human sacrifices at his church?
BTW - have you heard any of the scuttlebutt on HRC's semi-secretive membership in a fundamentalist Washington DC prayer group? There's a new book coming out soon - the author was on Canadian Broadcasting's "As It Happens" show yesterday.
I have not.
I just want her and her toxic husband to go the fuck away.
Why haven't we heard about John McCain's Incan style human sacrifices at his church?
Hell, I'm still waiting on the WAPO to report on Cheney's puppy buffets.
I understand that if you eat the heart you gain their courage.
"I agree with you. I defended Clinton for years, but I have to admit that he's an asshole.
Doesn't this just suck? All those years of defending him from the crazies. Now he is one of the crazies. And he won't - shut - up."
yup.
I understand that if you eat the heart you gain their courage.
If U eat a republican's heart you just die of toxic shock.
yup.
jdw
Hey, how crazy is that thread over at Ezra's?
Those fuckers really ARE going to burn down the house with all of us inside it.
I may be simplifying it a bit, but I think a core of HRC support is people who see her as having earned her way - campaigning from the 2004 election onward, and being a supporter (financially and otherwise) of party-heirarchy-approved Dems.
There's also the whole "It's WAY past due for a woman to be president" philosophy, which - were it any other year, I'd say she absolutely earned her place.
BUT - since Obama's support came to fruition in Iowa, she and her campaign team (primarily a lot of establishment Dems) are acting as though they are entitiled to the office. And the tactics they've employed are growing incresingly desperate.
We've had enough of paranoid presidents.
If U eat a republican's heart you just die of toxic shock.
Assumes organ not in evidence.
If U eat a republican's heart you just die of toxic shock.
Assumes organ not in evidence.
MikeJ
I almost owed you a COke.
I'd say she absolutely earned her place.
The Democratic party has always had a hard time with "it's my turn now" candidates. That's how the Republicans do everything, and it all remains nice and orderly and everybody stands in line.
I prefer the Democratic method.
I may be simplifying it a bit, but I think a core of HRC support is people who see her as having earned her way - campaigning from the 2004 election onward, and being a supporter (financially and otherwise) of party-heirarchy-approved Dems.
There's also the whole "It's WAY past due for a woman to be president" philosophy, which - were it any other year, I'd say she absolutely earned her place.
I just think that's bogus.
It's the fucking presidency, not a prize in a cracker jack box you give away for year's served.
There's no "earning" it.
It's not the party's decision- it's the voter's decision. We've decided on someone else. I don't give a fuck that SHE thinks she's the best for the job. That's nice, but it's not her FUCKING DECISION. It's ours.
(not yelling at you, I'm just completely frustrated at these assholes who are gleefully cheering for the Terry McAulliffes of the world to tighten their hold on the party)
FLG, I don't think the Republicans ever really wanted Bob Dole, but it was his turn. There are elements of the Democratic party that think we should act like Republicans.
Terry McAullife and Mark Penn hate the idea of a world where no one needs them to shake their money tree.
Fucking leeches on a boil on the body politic, both of those fuckers.
4lg: people are just pissed now. some will come to their senses, some won't.
i still feel bad about not voting for hrc if she wins the nomination, especially since i was conflicted up until right after the LA debate. i haven't missed an election since 1980. but there are some things that are over the line for me.
(not yelling at you, I'm just completely frustrated at these assholes who are gleefully cheering for the Terry McAulliffes of the world to tighten their hold on the party)
fourlegsgood, stingrayer
Thanks for the qualifier - we're both in agreement.
FLG, I don't think the Republicans ever really wanted Bob Dole, but it was his turn. There are elements of the Democratic party that think we should act like Republicans.
They should go be fucking republicans then.
Hillary hasn't worked her way up. She was freaking first lady. Then the party handed her a senate seat. And gave her the committee assignments to bolster her foreign policy "experience."
Now they want to give her the presidency.
Fuck them.
flg...did you see this at kos?
"But Mr. Richardson stopped returning Mr. Clinton’s calls days ago, Mr. Clinton’s aides said. And as of Friday, Mr. Richardson said, he had yet to pick up the phone to tell Mr. Clinton of his decision.
The reaction of some of Mr. Clinton’s allies suggests that might have been a wise decision. "An act of betrayal," said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.
"Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic," Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week."
I read the Mother Jones piece. That fellowship is really scary, but I'm not all that disturbed that Clinton has attached herself to it.
She definitely sees "experience" as meaning knowing and understanding the inner workings and networkings of the government.
I think she's the kind of politician who believes you have to understand the way things work before you can pull the strings to get things done . . . a lot like Cheney and Rumsfeld, actually, but with more worthy goals in mind.
Thanks for the qualifier - we're both in agreement.
Oh, I know we are, I'm just venting.
Reading that thread over at Ezra's, combined with those emails Josh published have really sent me over the edge.
Once again the dems are going to fuck it up. I'm really pissed about it too.
I'm really disturbed that there are supposed HRC supporters that have gone on-record saying they would vote McBush or not vote at all rather than vote Obama.
Personality cults are toxic to politics.
jdw. No, that's appalling.
I happen to know one of the super delegates in texas (only slightly, he's a friend of a friend)
He committed to Clinton a year ago and desperately wants to break his commitment, but he thinks the Clintons will fuck him permanently if he does.
I'm sure there's a lot of that going on.
"Hillary hasn't worked her way up."
see, i don't think that's fair. she's got a long record of public service, and she's qualified. what i resent is this 'obama can't wait his turn' shit that sounds suspiciusly like 'get in the back of the bus'.
the other thing that bothers me is bill campaigning for her 24/7.
I'm really disturbed that there are supposed HRC supporters that have gone on-record saying they would vote McBush or not vote at all rather than vote Obama.
The spite is unbelievable.
Though I have to say that I'm angry enough to want to record a no vote if she wins the nom and does not campaign in my state.
Timothy Egan: Donner Party Democrats
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/2...=th&
oref=slogin
Hillary deserves an opportunity to make her pitch to the voters. She's done it. The voters prefer Obama. Clinton doesn't deserve the nom just because she's a hosted a White House tea or two.
"He committed to Clinton a year ago and desperately wants to break his commitment, but he thinks the Clintons will fuck him permanently if he does."
thems the breaks. it's funny about how people are ragging on richardson, but i know a rep who supported hrc, and her distrct went 70% obama. she'll stick with her out of loyalty, but it may cost her a primary challenge.
see, i don't think that's fair. she's got a long record of public service, and she's qualified.
A big stretch of that "public service" was spent being a corporate lawyer.
I'm not saying she's evil. But her claim to be the most qualified doesn't hold up in my eyes.
And then there's her war vote. Don't get me started on that.
It's hard for me to fathom, really. A couple of months ago it was "We have two really excellent candidates, I'll support either one." And now?
I'm sure there's a lot of that going on.
fourlegsgood, stingrayer
I have the same sense of things. I figure a lot of supers committed to Clinton because they knew they'd be screwed if she won and they hadn't. I don't think they're as worried about retaliations from Obama. If he ends up winning they'll still be okay.
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thems the breaks. it's funny about how people are ragging on richardson, but i know a rep who supported hrc, and her distrct went 70% obama. she'll stick with her out of loyalty, but it may cost her a primary challenge.
In my state we desperately need the national party to put resources in here. We need a ticket that has coattails.
IMHO, reps here (and he's a party type guy) need to be looking at what's best for the state, and not personal loyalty.
"I'm really disturbed that there are supposed HRC supporters that have gone on-record saying they would vote McBush or not vote at all rather than vote Obama."
that goes both ways. i think the percentages have gone up as things got nasty, which is another reason why this shouldn't drag on.
It's hard for me to fathom, really. A couple of months ago it was "We have two really excellent candidates, I'll support either one." And now?
I was that way for a long time.
I went with him because of the youth vote thing his commitment to the 50 state strategy.
But goddamn. She's been working overtime to make me hate her. And she's succeeded.
The Clinton Camp has this whole La Cosa Nostra/Sopranos thing going -- Mark Penn HAD to come out and say something snotty and dismissive about Richardson endorsing Obama. even Bill is at it again with his remark that anything Hill and Huggy don't want to talk about is "intrud(ing) on our politics.
In my state we desperately need the national party to put resources in here. We need a ticket that has coattails.
Hell, Washington pretty reliably goes Democratic, but we need coattails here too. Remember the Gov race a few years ago, that we won by a coupla hundred votes?
We can't afford a presidental candidate that spends September in Florida, October in Ohio, and November sitting at home as a loser.
that goes both ways. i think the percentages have gone up as things got nasty, which is another reason why this shouldn't drag on.
jdw
Agreed.
I hope Richardson is the first in an avalanche of superdelegates that decide to act like grownups.
"But her claim to be the most qualified doesn't hold up in my eyes."
i agree. i think they are pretty equal in terms of experience....some of the stuff she claims is, ahem, hyped. check this:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/
f...ntures_par.html
Hell, Washington pretty reliably goes Democratic, but we need coattails here too. Remember the Gov race a few years ago, that we won by a coupla hundred votes?
We can't afford a presidental candidate that spends September in Florida, October in Ohio, and November sitting at home as a loser.
Thank you.
And your state isn't nearly as insane as our state is. Fuck, we've got young earthers in both the lege and on the state textbook and education boards.
HALP
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/ f...ntures_par.html
Yep, so dangerous she took a comic and a guitar player AND her teenaged daughter with her.
"I went with him because of the youth vote thing his commitment to the 50 state strategy."
for me things started going downhill with bill in sc, and it's been downhill since. i gotta say that i hate them both now, and regret my votes for bc and giving money to hrc for her senate run.
What it comes down to is which candidate do you see as more likely to work with the other candidate in a general election - even if it isn't a "unity ticket?"
I see Obama telling his supporters that Dems will need to get out and vote - not just for the top od the ticket, but for all the local and state races so that the GOP will be as endangered as the Snail Darter.
I see HRC - and especially her team -as ruminating over a fruit bowl of bitter lemons, rotten tomatoes and sour grapes.
That's not growing the party. Process IS just as important as results.
Word. Portlanders are rarely effusive if not juiced, but yesterday, the crowd was warm and seemed to want to buoy Obama's spirits. Man, I wanted to be there when I saw them!
Fuck, we've got young earthers in both the lege and on the state textbook and education boards.
I don't honestly think any dem will carry Texas this year. But the right candidate could make WA a blowout.
The right candidate will also carry our message into Texas, even if we can't win it. And in four years we'll do it again and pick up a few more votes. And four years after that pick up more again.
There's a joke. An old bull and a young bull stand at the top of a hill, gazing at the herd of cows. The young bull sez, "let's run down there and fuck us a cow!" The old bull sez, "let's walk down and fuck ALL those cows".
Campaigning in Texas isn't about winning this election. It's about winning ALL the elections.
Obama:
"Guilt-tripping white liberals is like shooting fish in a barrel..."
"I see HRC - and especially her team -as ruminating over a fruit bowl of bitter lemons, rotten tomatoes and sour grapes."
yup. maybe they'll suprise me, but i doubt it.
i should have seen the smearing coming, but i didn't dream they'd sink to gop-level attacks and aid and abet mccain. that's a sin i can't forgive.
I don't honestly think any dem will carry Texas this year. But the right candidate could make WA a blowout.
The right candidate will also carry our message into Texas, even if we can't win it. And in four years we'll do it again and pick up a few more votes. And four years after that pick up more again.
Yes, but the right candidate can help us down ballot and maybe even give us a shot at knocking off Cornyn.
Lubyanka:"I'm a stupid racist cracker and I'm not nearly as funny or clever as I think."
i should have seen the smearing coming, but i didn't dream they'd sink to gop-level attacks and aid and abet mccain. that's a sin i can't forgive.
jdw
She's already said enough glowing things about McCain's experience for a month of campaign ads in the general elections - asking her if she really feels that way, or is she yet another Democratic flip-flopper.
Giving ammo to the enemy wasn't a smart stategy in Iraq. It sure ain't any smarter in a presidential campaign.
The 50 state strategy is a way to make sure that eventually the republican party has the same relevance as the whigs.
GodDamnAmerica Obama Campaign:
"Vote for Obama or you're a racist..."
If you can't face what you are, blame no one but yourself.
mike:
yeah, that's why the idiot Dimocrats are having a 48-state convention.
A great, ringing example of 'dimocracy' you twats will have on display in August...
[nutroot-induced hillarity ensuing...]
God HAS damned America.
He brought wretches like Luby's Cafeteria to this nation.
We are paying for our previous sins.
meanwhile, all McCain's people need to do is take notes while GodDamnAmerica Obama and Billary eat each other alive..
a beautiful spectacle!
Florida and Michigan will no doubt BE at the Convention, their delegates' votes will not be counted since hey broke the rules. We play by the rules. We know you don't.
Can someone please explain to me why the Clinton fan sites think that it's just so darned unfair that other websites, like the great orange satan, prefer Obama?
meanwhile, all McCain's people need to do is take notes and correct the lies he's been telling every day on his pre-Retirement Tour.
Loopywanker is so stupid I won't even bother to shoot him into the sun.
Instead I'll let him spontaneously combust on election day.
McCain's people can read and write?
Wow, the things you can learn here.
Can someone please explain to me why the Clinton fan sites think that it's just so darned unfair that other websites, like the great orange satan, prefer Obama?
I dunno.
The Dimocrat Party:
"What's wrong with disenfranchising millions of voters in FL and MI? We're the Party Of Dimocracy, remember?"
McCain's people can read and write?
Wow, the things you can learn here.
McCain is so old he thinks writing is something you do on the wall of a cave.
Giant Starfish:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23743659/
You want us to believe you care if Democratic voters were disenfranchised? That's rich.
McCain is so old he thinks writing is something you do on the wall of a cave.
fourlegsgood, stingrayer
Well, he was helpful at translating Egyptian heiroglyphics before they discovered the Rosetta Stone.
Well, he was helpful at translating Egyptian heiroglyphics before they discovered the Rosetta Stone.
Of course he got confused and said the egyptians were supplying the Mayans with daggers.
I'd offer an opinion on why the Pro-Hillary sites are so pissed off, but I know it would be seen as blasphemy and sexism here.
Since 5w30 is factually-challenged, let me try and make it aware that Florida was disenfranchised BY ITS REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE, which delivered a big "fuck y'all" to the Dems by moving the primary up.
Democracy is but a game to them. They deserve to be sent back to their SimCity games where they can't harm REAL people.
GodDamnAmerica Obama able to cower fellow idiot Dimocrats with implied racism. They're guilty, weak and ultra sensitive to the charge.
Come the light of day in the general, McCain will beat GodDamnAmerica Obama like a congo drum and it will be an ultra-surprise to head-up-their-asses nutroots--
you know, the nutroot hordes that delivered the Iowa Caucuses for Dr. Demento Dean in 04...
[more hillarity--nutroots a comedy goldmine!!!]
Of course he got confused and said the egyptians were supplying the Mayans with daggers.
fourlegsgood, stingrayer
Good one.
It might be kinda to cool to be so completely blind and deluded. No, no it wouldn't.
Bed time for me.
Everyone sleep tight.
Except for loopy.
It might be kinda to cool to be so completely blind and deluded. No, no it wouldn't.
plantsman
5w30 is a case study in why we vastly need to improve our mental health system under the Obama administration.
Sweet Dreams of Sun Rockets, 4LG.
Well, feels like I've got my anger at this goddamn war back in check. Guess I'll try to go back to sleep.
G'night, all . . .
.
Nutroot High Water Mark!!!
That momentous day in DesMoines in early 2004 when the victorious Dr. Demento Dean gave his rousing victory speech to the ecstatic hordes of nutroots who'd made all the difference..."and we're gonna go to Alaska and to Ponca City and to Truth Or Consequences and to Oregon...."
Great, historic stuff!!
Great, historic stuff!!
Lubyanka
2006 Congressional Elections.
BETTER - and MORE RECENT - historical stuff.
Sucks to be a minority, don't it?
Instead, we got four more years of corruption, debt,
war and failure from Republicans.
road:
and Bush/GOP has continually made your mighty majority look like the impotent fools they are
Condi calling to apologize that rules that were prompted by Poppy Bush's Administration snooping into Bill Clinton's Passport file weren't followed by Dim Son's Administration.
Ironic, innit?
Bush/GOP has continually made your mighty majority look like the impotent fools they are as they (the GOP) heedlessly flush the nation down the toilet.
5w30 -
You got your wargasm in Iran yet?
Is Scooter Libby still a government lawyer?
How's W's expense account on his political capital looking - as leveraged as a condo in suburban Sacramento?
yeah, the typical "progressive" whine:
"America's not perfect and it's all your fault!"
Childish ass-fucks of the Left...
America wasn't perfect when the GOP took Congress in the '94 elections -- it's just so much worse off now. That's why you'll lose in November.
Bush/GOP has continually made its moral majority look like the impotent sex addicts they are as they (the GOP) heedlessly solicit blowjobs in toilets across the nation.
/friendly amendment
meanwhile, paranoid "progressive" ass-fucks:
don't forget about those heinous ChristoFascists lurking under your futons without FISA warrants, recording...everything...
Hilarity On Steroids!
don't forget about those heinous ChristoFascists lurking under your futons without FISA warrants, recording...everything...
Lubyanka
By the time they get around to reviewing MY tapes, I'll have been dead and buried for a century or more.
But thanks to your side, we'll be more than happy to use said infrastructure to document collusion between oil companies and deliberate tax evasion from other mega-corporations.
I wonder if 5w30 trots out these *thoughts* among actual people, and how they react?
Uh, boy; according to AccuWeather (not very) it won't rain today and it might not rain Tuesday, but that's it.
I don't want to discuss the weather.
Hey, anybody who hates rich white men wearing ties is OK with me!
I watched some of the Obama-bashing meltdown on Fox over at HuffPo. I am so glad I never watch Fox.
Okay? How's that stretch of intestine doing?
How come The Blessed Virgin Mary gets her own State?
Teddy wasn't wearing a tie, Mary Jo?
Cripes. I "don't qualify" for free technical support for my Mac Mini -- because it's the low end of the Mac Totem Pole, I guess. Damned thing doesn't restart automatically like it should, I have to fiddle with the power button. Oh well.
Surgery will occur during the first week of May. I feel there is no sense in being morose. I have lots more snow to keep me occupied. I think I'll get an early start. Later.
Somebody tell Dimocrats there are actually 50 states, not 48, i.e., that Michigan and Florida are part of the United States...
what fucking morons our "progressive" friends are!
[fucking morons, but fucking funny!!]
How come The Blessed Virgin Mary gets her own State?
Because Catholics weren't welcome in the other ones.
Lube yank does not know there are "rules."
Guess they don't apply to moronic white fuckwits.
Ah, that I did not know. I did wonder how Catholics were greeted by Puritans and Calvinists.
Dimocrat Convention, Denver in August:
"All 48 States Welcome!!"
...hilarity off the charts!...
Morning peeps.
heehee.
At the pot luck last night it was decided that we would launch a counter insurgency to the group that tried to take over at the Thursday owner's meeting. This is getting to be quite amusing.
I did wonder how Catholics were greeted by Puritans and Calvinists.
We're not real fond of Puritans.
Wheels within wheels.
"DNC 'Rules' Disenfranchise Two Major States..."
Dimocrats: worthy of a banana republic?
Troll laughs at own weak jokes.
Molly, the Quakers weren't real fond on the Puritans in the New World either.
Dimocrats: bottomless well of comedy
Well, the Puritans were pretty much dicks to everybody. It's no secret why they weren't welcome in Europe.
comedy of the unwitting, earnest kind--the best
comedy of the unwitting, earnest kind--the best
Do not plan on becoming a theatre critic.
First time I ever got in trouble teaching was for On Plymouth Plantation: there's a chapter where they catch a guy for bestiality and they parade every animal in the settlement in front of him to see which ones he'd done. I called him a turkey fucker.
I cannot envision congress with a bird.
I know! That's why it stayed with me. Bizarre.
They killed him, and all the poor animals, which always seemed kind of unfair to me. But theocracy's a pretty shitty method of government.
The book I'm reading with Moe is quite interesting in laying out the history of South Mountain and how it got to be so isolated. Basically, the Baptists took over the valley and the mountain people had a hard time getting to church on Sundays so were automatically considered godless and shunned for sinning. Each social demographic in the area needed someone to whom the could feel superior and the mountain people became the bottom. It went so far that anyone from the valley who married a mountain person lost any connection to polite society. The settlers, of course, were all people running away from the stratified social atomosphere in New England.
I keep thinking about the Church Huggy Bear claims to belong to: North Phoenix Baptist. GWPDA swears
the hideous ice-cream pastel modernist bastard monstrosity I remember has been torn down and replaced -- bit few places have ever looked less sacred, to me.
I still can't get over Tweety feeling-up Ellen, her replaying it in excruciating detail, and his living thru it. Blows my mind.
turkey fucker
Please tell me that the trouble wasn't at college level, perhaps you said it front of eigth graders or something?
Nah, it was a college class. I dunno; I thought it was kind of funny.
Got their attention, I'll tell you that. And getting and keeping teenagers' attention isn't all that easy with Puritan literature.
Morning, early riser rational people.
May be hard to get their attention but it is so important that we all have a common font of knowledge.
Morning, early riser rational people
I'm actually late this morning.
I'm shocked even.
You guys can't seem to catch a weather break up there.
Heh, BD...are you snowed in (again)?
Mornin', gang. At least five inches of snow on the ground, and I guess more coming. How are you doin'?
Heh, BD...are you snowed in (again)?
Yes ma'am. Probally close to 8" on the ground.
I'm. So. Thrilled.
I think when I went to college orientation the prof address us warned us that we were going to hear and see things that would blow our little high school minds, and we'd be cheerfully doing those things before the first semester was over. I think everybody who ever heard this guy warn them of the evils of college life wound up going there as quickly as they could.
BD, I hope you don't have anything you have to do today. Me, I'm stayin' riiiiiight here.
Well, BD, I just hope that was your last winter storm for this year.
Well, the structure of high school education makes a lot of kids hate literature. Sometimes you can fight it; sometimes you can't.
But these are the texts at the base of the nation, as much as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
BD, I hope you don't have anything you have to do today. Me, I'm stayin' riiiiiight here
Well, the wife and I had this nifty idea of taking the 5th wheel up to my fishing spot, but...
Well, BD, I just hope that was your last winter storm for this year
Diane - we missed the last 2 that hit filk in A-squared.
I figured it was (almost) over, but I never had held my breath living in Michigan.
I finally allowed my daughter to leave high school and start college early when she got an 80% on a literature test cause she didn't know the color of Holden's shoes or something. She really loved Catcher in the Rye and I could see something like that ruining the joy she took in reading. Like somehow if she didn't remember inconsequential facts she wasn't reading the correct way.
Anne used to say that the drop-dead date was April 18, that she had never experienced any snow or ice past that date. Then a few years ago we got an ice storm on the 20th, and she boggled. Truly, you can't trust Michigan.
Record daily maximum snowfall set at Grand Rapids...
a record snowfall of 6.6 inches was set at Grand Rapids
yesterday. This breaks the old record of 6.3 set in 1983.
The season snowfall at Grand Rapids is now 105.1 inches. That puts
this 2007/2008 season in second place for the snowiest on record.
That ecplisped the 104.7 inches for the 1958/1959 season that was
second place. The snowiest season on record is 132.0 inches that
fell during the 1951/1952 winter season
Boy, Vicki sure is lucky isn't she?
Atrios is gonna have to answer for my Hulu addiction.
Interesting: the NYT has an editorial castigating French President Nicolas Sarkozy for his odd behavior the day after Sarkozy announced a reduction in French nuclear warheads with a challenge to the other nuclear powers to do likewise.
I remember m.i.l. telling me you can put out the annuals till Memorial Day. She lived in Pittsburgh. Here they're already planted and the trees are beginning to bud. Noice. Gonna be in the high forties and fifties for the next five days.
Boy, Vicki sure is lucky isn't she?
Did she check in last night? She stayed at work until the cops told her to go home last night.
I've found that robot Scrab practice seems to have improved my ability to quickly jumble letters into words in my head -- but I still hate the robot.
I noted some small bud formation on my cherry tree yesterday.
I hope it doesn't fuck up the fruiting process.
Did she check in last night? She stayed at work until the cops told her to go home last night
Molly - only took her 50 minutes to drive home that 8 miles last night.
E fucking gads.
Here, Mother's Day is the BIG Nursery Day. Hanging Baskets and Color pots are grown to be at their peak for giving that day.
qlª -- I was lucky. I started reading early, and my parents got me annotated editions of classics, e.g., Verne, Doyle, the Paul Bunyan stories, things like that. I also had (and still have) D'Aulaires Book of Greek Myths. Between that and the school library, I got a love of books instilled in me before English class could grind it out.
Shouldn't, unless a freeze catches the blossoms in flower. Trees go thru this stuff all the time.
Endless drizzle here, it feels like Oregon
My street has three skinned lambs hanging from meathooks in the yard so far, everybody's gearing up for the big meal tomorrow ...
Did she check in last night? She stayed at work until the cops told her to go home last night
Molly - only took her 50 minutes to drive home that 8 miles last night.
E fucking gads.
Barndog, fucking snow again | 03.22.08 - 6:55 am
Yoiks. If she hasn't checked in by 11, maybe we should give her a call.
Endless drizzle in Oregon, no skinned animals on hooks, but the fundy church came by and left leaflets inviting us to Easter Services again.
Shouldn't, unless a freeze catches the blossoms in flower. Trees go thru this stuff all the time.
Seems a few years back, it went thru one of these cycles, plantsman. I was quite worried to say the least. (I love cherries, pie, cobbler, etc)
Funny, that was one of the best years I ever had for cherries.
My street has three skinned lambs hanging from meathooks in the yard so far, everybody's gearing up for the big meal tomorrow ...
DFH in Dubrovnik | 03.22.08 - 6:57 am
Festive.
If she hasn't checked in by 11, maybe we should give her a call
filk - she got home okay.
Man, I loved sour cherry pie! So tasty. Miss it.
the fundy church came by and left leaflets inviting us to Easter Services again
I'd have to show up on Easter, and make a complete ass of myself - just for general principle.
BD -- kewl. Y'know what happened? I read "last night" as "that night", thought you guys had been discussing some other snow before I got here, and... well, some days I cannot brain, I has the dumb.
Reading "Sinners In the Hands of An Angry God" my freshman year in college really clarified a few things for me.
Man, I loved sour cherry pie! So tasty. Miss it
You and me both. I don't miss it (thankfully) and, I will be sure to eat some for you come Wimbeldon time (usually I'm picking, and the wife /kid are pitting during Wimbeldon).
Oh. It's when they have the Xian Rock service outside starting before 9 on Sunday with amplifiers I really wanna scream!
hey peeps
some days I cannot brain, I has the dumb
Hey! I have those also!!!!
And, I hate them.
filk-she was reading before she entered kindergarten and claims she doesn't remember when she learned how so must have been born with the knowledge. Heh. I don't think they could have ground it out but they sure as heck seemed like they were trying. To be fair, the English teacher in the 11th grade class was still reading books aloud to the class cause the majority of students just wouldn't take the books home and read them themselves. And this was a Regents class.
filk,
did you get the email about lunch next Saturday?
Let 'em go, BD. My mom and I had one of our awkward moments yesterday on the phone, when she remembered that I don't celebrate Good Friday or Easter, and I reminded her that I'm not trying to get in the way of her celebrating it. Her faith gives her much joy -- hell, it got her singing again, she's doing solos at five out of six services this weekend -- and I'm happy for her. It's when a church starts demanding that everyone worship their flavor of Sky Cop that I get cranky.
plantsman - I'll search some Splenda recipes for those cherries.
At least, I could probally send you a couple jars of cherry preserves (if Splenda has a recipe for them).
hey peeps
Hey back
http://
seattletimes.nwsource.com...64_peeps16.html
qlª -- [facepalm]
Molly -- yes, I did. I was going to answer this morning, when my brain was functioning more-or-less properly.
Reading "Sinners In the Hands of An Angry God" my freshman year in college really clarified a few things for me.
Yep. Funny, in all the fussing about BO's pastor, people forget that there's a whole brimstone tradition out there.
Oh, man; I'd love that - might have to risk pouring them into a crust if you did!
plantsman - come July/Aug you should have a present in the mail.
All Splenda requires is a specific methoxyl pectin for use with granulated Splenda.
Did she check in last night? She stayed at work until the cops told her to go home last night
Molly - only took her 50 minutes to drive home that 8 miles last night.
E fucking gads.
Barndog, fucking snow again | 03.22.08 - 6:55 am
We were supposed to get some remnants of your storm down here in Dayton, but so far, nothing.
Thank goodness, I'm sick of winter.
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A "specific methoxyl pectin" gotta hang onto that tidbit.
I'd love that - might have to risk pouring them into a crust if you did!
My suggestion is on top of an ice cream-like product.
Low-fat no-sugar frozen yogurt will be procured.
http://www.paulnoll.com/Oregon/C...ng-
Splenda.html
Thanks! I've bookmarked it.
Smucker's makes Splenda Jams. The Red Raspberry is really good after not having much sugar for 18 months
I discovered about 5 pounds of sugar in a Tupperware sealed container yesterday in a cupboard.
Heh, I rarely do any baking, and I drink my coffee black. The only time I have sugar on hand is around Thanksgiving when I need it for the cranberry sauce.
I had completely forgotten I had it -- but need to make bread today, I'm out.
Sorry I've been away -- I'm writing a song. Seriously. Right back.
Wow, inspiration hits at odd times. Of course, it's nearly 6:30 in Michigan, but still...
Funny, in all the fussing about BO's pastor, people forget that there's a whole brimstone tradition out there.
Molly Ivors, Sick | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 7:08 am
Why are there so many knocks on Obama
For what his ex-pastor said?
He's held responsible for what someone else does,
As if they're both in one head,
So we've been told by the Washington pundits,
I know they're wrong, wait and see,
Someday we'll find it, the Brimstone Connection,
The pundits' agendas and me.
Who says that any twit can be named an expert
Because of their right-wing views?
Somebody thought of that, they make folks believe it
By stacking the TV news,
What's so amazing is this navel-gazing
Has no base in reality,
Someday we'll find it, the Brimstone Connection,
The pundits, their egos, and me.
Used to be under their spell,
Till one day I started to fact-check....
People are half-asleep, they listen to voices,
"Trust us, we care for your souls",
This is the sweet sound that calls the young sailor
To smash his ship into the shoals,
I've heard it too many times, I ignore it,
These lying fomenters of sleaze,
Someday we'll find it, the Brimstone Connection,
The pundits and Meph'stopheles.
Actually, Diane, it's almost 7:30 in Ann Arbor. That's just the way it works with me -- I see the right phrase, and boom.
Ach! You should have seen when "annie" and "Bugs"
were here yesterday! The racism just spewed forth.
Now, y'see? I ended up writing the wrong song. Gotta work on the other one now, "The Brimstone Tradition". Back in a few....
Wow, Filkertom, that was great! I sure wish I was going to hear you perform it next weekend.
These lying fomenters of sleaze
Maybe a little more emphasis on sleeze...
Ms. Hilton, are you available?
Good morning all.
It seems to me that if we are buying the banks for hundreds of billions of dollars, then we ought to get something out of the deal, like some firm regulations, CEO's whose bonus's and salaries and parachutes are directly related to the performance of their institutions.
So far, we are paying hundreds of billions for NOTHING!!!
No one is losing anything in this crazy system but those of us who are being forced to pay for it.
Ms. Hilton, are you available?
plantsman
And yet, the systemic breakdown of all regulation and oversight promulgated by BushCo cannot end without a Democrat in The White House, I'm afraid.
And yet, the systemic breakdown of all regulation and oversight promulgated by BushCo cannot end without a Democrat in The White House, I'm afraid.
plantsman
And a strong majority in Congress.
Morning, all.
So I just scanned the front-page NYTimes article on the passport office hanky-panky, and nowhere is there a mention of the fact that said hanky-panky was carried out by contract employees, i.e. freelancers.
I.e., Blackwater.....
Actually, "Stanley, Inc." of Virginia. They mail out passports for State and do "other things."
steve - you sound shocked.
Why?
Stanley, Inc.
I wonder what the connection to BushCo is?
No one could have imagined a bunch of poorly-paid "private-sector" workers might have ignored regs they were never properly taught -- Right, Condi?
It seems to me that if we are buying the banks for hundreds of billions of dollars
S'not the banks, it's fucking BearStearns!!!!!! It's corporate welfare as bold as brass.
It's the low-level Supervisors who didn't carry the breaches up the chain as they were supposed to that worry me.
I would love to have listened in on Condi and Barack's conversation. I keep imagining icebergs.
Why aren't there that many songs about heaven
And what's on the other side?
Heaven's not interesting, it's quiet and peaceful,
Where nice folks go after they've died.
So we've been told, and some choose to believe it,
But I know what's waiting for me,
Someday I'll find it, the Brimstone Tradition,
Damnation and Satan and me.
Jesus is s'posed to be a great god of loving,
People forget his dad,
All the New Testament is Extreme Makeover,
The Old God was cranky and mad,
Flooding the world, and the Six Plagues of Egypt,
Armies drowned in the Red Sea,
Someday we'll find it, the Brimstone Tradition,
The Peace Prince, the nutjob, and me.
I wonder what the connection to BushCo is?
Only donation I found:
Nolan, Philip
Mc Lean,VA 22101
Stanley, Inc
2/20/2008
$1,000
Clinton, Hillary
All of us under the threat
Of eternal torture once we're dead....
Have you heard preachers say that God loves you so much
He'll drop you in a lake of fire,
They'll give a play-by-play in sordid detail
I wish they weren't flush with desire.
I can live life without God, he's disturbing,
After I'm gone, wait and see,
Someday, I'll find it, the Brimstone Tradition,
I bet I'll find mythology.
S'not the banks, it's fucking BearStearns!!!!!! It's corporate welfare as bold as brass.
Sarah Deere
How much social welfare would the money spent on Bear Stearns have provided?
steve - you sound shocked.
Why?
Barndog, fucking snow again | 03.22.08 - 7:46 am | #
Or the fact that apparently the State Department inspector general quit under a cloud a few months ago because his brother was on the Blackwater board....
Did I say shocked???
Kermit, Izzat you?
Fun from Huggy Bear, via HuffPo:
This past week, Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright has come under heavy fire in part over comments that suggested the U.S. government had introduced AIDS into black communities.
But it turns out he's not the only religious confidant to a presidential candidate who thinks the state has targeted black populations with death and disease.
Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, Ohio -- whom Sen. John McCain hails as a spiritual adviser -- has suggested on several occasions that the U.S. government was complicit in facilitating black genocide.
In speeches that have gone largely unnoticed, Parsley (who is white) compares Planned Parenthood, the reproductive care and family planning group, to the Klu Klux Klan and Nazis, and describes the American government as enablers of murder for supporting the organization.
the guy who heads Stanley mostly gives to Republicans, and Joe Lieberman. Hillary too if that donation is accurate.
He's a Gooper.
OK, time for some breakfast, a brief lie-down, and then a whole passle of errands to run today.
Enjoy the morning, bats.
Oh, and check out what the French Surrender Monkeys are up to now.
Well, Hillary was informed Her Passport File had been breached. Maybe the guy felt guilty.
Naw.
Hi ho! Kermit the Frog here. plantsman, haven't you heard this? (Serious warning: major angst/crying jag alert. I am not kidding.)
How much social welfare would the money spent on Bear Stearns have provided?
Gimlet
so much that it makes me furious to think about it. Bastards!! Filkertom's Brimstone Tradition should be raining like hellfire down on their criminal heads right damn now.
Only other donations I could find for Philip Nolan(no idea what he does for Stanley) are to Tom Davis,Susan Collins, and Lieberman.
Whee!!!!!
Another Bill Moment On The Trail: Calls Hillary, McCain The Candidates "Who Love...
How much social welfare would the money spent on Bear Stearns have provided?
Gimlet
so much that it makes me furious to think about it. Bastards!! Filkertom's Brimstone Tradition should be raining like hellfire down on their criminal heads right damn now.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 8:00 am
At the very least, it would've just about funded SCHIP.
Morning, folks.
Good morning you fine degenerates.
Dumbya's America:
The list of patients waiting for organ transplants, which is widely used to promote organ donations, includes thousands who are ineligible for the operations, according to statistics kept by the national network that manages the allocation of organs.
More than a third of the nearly 98,000 patients on the list at any one time are classified as "inactive," meaning they could not be given an organ if it became available because they are too sick, or not sick enough, or for some other, often unexplained, reason.
S'not the banks, it's fucking BearStearns!!!!!!
they are all banks: they use our complicated fake economy game to make more money by taking the little REAL money (mortgage payments) and playing las vegas on a giant scale, and the 'true' banks are/were in on this
More searches on Stanley associates instead of inc returns the names of many more people. Donations to Huckabee, Thompson, Lieberman, Clinton.
sheets
More searches on Stanley associates instead of inc returns the names of many more people.
a company that knows how DC works: lots of grease to EVERYONE and you get yourself a giant gov contract
If we had bankrupted ourselves through foolishness and greed, would the banks bail us out for any amount of money or with any assurances at all?????
And yet we are forced to pay for their foolishness without ANY modifications on their behaviors, or their compensation packages for CEO's and CFO's. We are forced to keep them in the lifestyle that got them into this mess in the first place.
When is the democratically controlled congress going to start demanding some substantial changes in the banking industry and in compensation packages doled out to foolish people? When will they admit that the system that is in place now, with boards of directors being made up of other foolish rich people to monitor their good buddies is NOT a good system of governance?
We are being forced to pay hundreds of billions of dollars to banks, and we aren't even allowed to know who they are, in secret auctions!!!! Where are our representatives? Where are the interests of the citizens being addressed????
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