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Also, the government used to regulate investment banks.
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thanks snake goddess.
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Andrew Sullivan on radical black preachers, then and now.
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Indeed, P O'Neill. And utilities which provide electricity.
Echidne |
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Grover Norquist almost made me lose my dinner while watching TDS the other night. What. A. Moron.
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WAPISH!
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And if you are the type of eat chicken giblets there is a recall of ones from Alabama.
WASHINGTON, March 14, 2008 - Cagle's Inc., a Collinsville, Ala., establishment, is voluntarily recalling approximately 943,000 pounds of various fresh and frozen poultry giblets and fresh carcasses with giblets inserted that may be adulterated due to improper disposition of the giblets, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food Safety and Inspection Service announced today.
One of six food recalls this week
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But everybody knows what the proper role of government is--bailing out huge Wall St firms who took on too much risk and made a bunch of bad bets!
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their attitude was, no wonder they're so toxic. They think they know everything.
Sallyh
OK, time for the bazookas.
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Obama's "momentum" is grinding to a halt. The Republicans know how fickle the American public is and Hillary would be more difficult to beat by the time November rolls around. Obama has a mere 3 years federal legislative experience and lacks executive experience. He is underqualified and he can't talk his way around that.
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..and time for somw diseased wolverine dick, trollie.
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JR, not worth it. Mlle told her husband she's trying to get by the easy way in the place, and that it was really starting to work her last nerve.
I'm troubled that they immediately stopped her bipolar meds upon admission.
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Here's one for NTodd:
Careful with that coffee! Police say a man placing an order in a suburban New York doughnut shop's drive-through lane didn't have any pants on.
They say a Dunkin' Donuts worker saw John Greco's exposed genitals in the Feb. 27 stunt and then noted the make of his car and his license plate number.
Police say the 46-year-old Croton-on-Hudson resident was arrested last week and has been charged with misdemeanor public lewdness. He's due in court March 27.
Police released a statement Thursday saying it was "unknown how Mr. Greco took his coffee that day."
Greco says by telephone from his home that he has no comment on the police report.
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Anyone remember how we were told we couldn't import drugs from Canada because they might not be safe?
Yeah, right.
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Fuck Off, Racist Pig
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Sallyh,
I left you a long-winded screed on the thread below.

Blessings to you.
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What we should be doing is offering to scrub the government's back.
And maybe get it a nice cup of tea.
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Echidne,
You mean we don't want the "free hand of the market" to take care of it?
I'd put a little laughie-face emoticon in there, but it's just not funny, is it?
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President Obama will be quite capable
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WAPISH!
I'm sorry, you're much cuter than Gordon the Magnificent.
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Enron Founder's Widow Sued by Condo
Mar 15th, 2008 | HOUSTON -- The neighbors of the widow of Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay have sued her, accusing her of not paying her share of fees associated with living in one of Houston's most exclusive high-rises.
Linda Lay is already fighting an attempt by the federal government to seize nearly $13 million from Kenneth Lay's estate, including the family condominium at The Huntingdon.
The lawsuit by The Huntingdon Council of Co-Owners seeks more than $100,000 in unpaid fees from Linda Lay or foreclosure of her condo, which tax records value at about $4.75 million.
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Mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Spread them legs wide!
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Whoops, gotta motor. l8rh9rz.
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I'm troubled that they immediately stopped her bipolar meds upon admission.
This sounds really worrying. Did they contact her prescribing physician at least?
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I'm troubled that they immediately stopped her bipolar meds upon admission.
Sallyh
Isn't that malpractice?
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Comment by Bugs blocked.
How can we miss him if he won't go the fuck away?
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Anyone remember how we were told we couldn't import drugs from Canada because they might not be safe?
Ooooh, that there is a blog post, son.
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Mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari stop the insults and so will I.
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Gomez,
From last thread:
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But everybody knows what the proper role of government is--bailing out huge Wall St firms who took on too much risk and made a bunch of bad bets!
drowning Bears, Stearns in a bathtub was decidedly NOT what Grover had in mind. he was thinking more along the likes of the Consumer Products Safety Commission, or the OSHA and the FDA.
welfare as we know it is all good, as long as it's the stockholdrs getting them thar welfare checks.
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Senator Clinton has disavowed you and asked you to please stop you are not helping.
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JR, I don't know. But no wonder the kid was flipping out for weeks on end. She was evaluated by a psychiatrist on Wednesday, and the psychiatrist said she should be back on her meds.
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Then, there's drug companies trying to push unapproved uses of drugs...
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Fuck Off, Racist Pig
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There is speculation that Bear Stearns could be bought up by an Arab oil fund so in that sense it would be all within the BushCo family.
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Echidne, no, they did not.
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Can we just drown Grover Norquist in a bathtub?
Along with the trolls?
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Senator Clinton has disavowed you and asked you to please stop you are not helping.
The rest of us
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If so, tell her to send my money back.
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Hey Snake Lady -
I was thinking of Norquist's little boast today.
Sad that the whole god damn thing's perilously close to coming true.
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She was evaluated by a psychiatrist on Wednesday, and the psychiatrist said she should be back on her meds.
Sallyh
Yeah, and if they'd stopped something like insulin that long before checking with a phtsician.......
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You mean we don't want the "free hand of the market" to take care of it?
I'd put a little laughie-face emoticon in there, but it's just not funny, is it?
No we don't, and yes, it's funny but it's not really funny. The reason has to do with markets with a lot of lack of information. Free markets don't function at all well under those circumstances, and the government has at least the role of providing the missing information.
Read the quote in the NYT article where they discuss their powerlessness:
Erin Gardiner, a spokeswoman for Baxter, said the drug company had intended "to follow the supply chain as close as we could to the original source — the workshops." But she added, "We have not been able to do so."
Ms. Gardiner said Baxter did not have the authority to demand access to the workshops. If such access is granted, she said, Baxter stands "ready to return to China as part of our investigation."
Richard L. Friedman, the F.D.A.'s director of manufacturing and product quality, said the agency generally inspected only manufacturers of active pharmaceutical ingredients and finished products, and did not go further back in the supply chain. In this case, that part of the chain, Mr. Friedman said, is the responsibility of China's equivalent of the United States Department of Agriculture.
So what the medications and foods in this country can contain is now based on what another country's government might or might not do. Globalization.
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Why haven't all prints of "Bridge at Kok-Ri" been shoved up McCain's ass with a crow bar?
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Is there any one single thing this administration has done right?
One. Single. Thing?
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I say we boycott Eschaton for failing to sufficiently trash your sucky candidate.
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Sallyh, from my second-hand knowledge of rehab, they want to get the client totally off all drugs while they're under supervision. As long as they've put her back on the necessary meds, she'll be okay in that regard.
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Mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari is really Michele Obama.
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I think the government just needs a new rubber duckie.
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Flory, no.
This has been another edition of...
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Got so sick of Bugs that I downloaded greasemonkey and killfile for my laptop.
It's reformatted HaloScan completely. When did that happen?
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Fuck Off, Racist Pig
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“CANADIAN PRESCRIPTION DRUG RE-IMPORTATION: IS THERE A SAFETY ISSUE?”
"FDA has long taken the position that consumers are exposed to a number of risks when they purchase drugs from foreign sources or from sources that are not operated by pharmacies licensed under state pharmacy law. These outlets may dispense expired, subpotent, contaminated or counterfeit product, the wrong or a contraindicated product, an incorrect dose, or medication unaccompanied by adequate directions for use. The labeling of the drug may not be in English and therefore important information regarding dosage and side effects may not be available to the consumer. The drugs may not have been packaged and stored under appropriate conditions to avoid degradation. There is no assurance that these products were manufactured under current good manufacturing practice (cGMP) standards. When consumers take such unsafe or inappropriate medications, they face risks of dangerous drug interactions and other serious health consequences."
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It's reformatted HaloScan completely. When did that happen?
It's been like that as long as I've had it.
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Senator Clinton has disavowed you and asked you to please stop you are not helping.
The rest of us
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If so, tell her to send my money back.
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The check is in the mail.
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I say we boycott Eschaton for failing to sufficiently trash your sucky candidate.
I say that Atrios has done exactly the right thing by not endorsing a candidate.
The closest he came was well over a year ago, when he said he was kind of leaning toward my boyfriend, should he enter the race, but at the time, he just didn't know.
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"Norquist, who is of Swedish descent, grew up in Weston, Massachusetts, where he learned politics at an early age when his father would liken each bite he took out of his ice cream cone to a different type of tax levied by the government."
Daddy, can't you just enjoy your ice cream cone? Daddy, please, you're ruining dessert .....
Must have been some good fun there, growing up in the Norquist home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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GravatarIs there any one single thing this administration has done right?
One. Single. Thing?
They play a mean guitar.
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Ms. Gardiner said Baxter did not have the authority to demand access to the workshops.
So let's see. Baxter decides, in order to cut costs, to outsource production. But they are so bad at business they can't negotiate terms that give them absolute access and control to all aspects of the production?
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Fuck me...I just had a drag of a cigarette. My first drag in five weeks. 
Zap Rowsdower |
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NTodd does drive-thru dunkin donuts?
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“CANADIAN PRESCRIPTION DRUG RE-IMPORTATION: IS THERE A SAFETY ISSUE?”
The irony of ironies, of course, now that we know domestic drugs are not subject to the safety testing we were told.
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Fucking NPR bimbette. It's not Lake CUOMO it's Lake COMO.
Sheesh.
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There is speculation that Bear Stearns could be bought up by an Arab oil fund so in that sense it would be all within the BushCo family.
P O'Neill
Heh.
Until the rest of Carlyle goes belly up.
Oh....like they'll let that happen....
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Zap, off label usage is commonplace. What is troubling in the Zyprexa trials was the underreporting of side effects.
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They play a mean guitar.
So did the Pinball Wizard, and he was deaf dumb and blind.
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One word: Thalidomide
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Zap, don't beat yourself up.
I fell off that one weeks ago.
We'll both get back on.
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If so, tell her to send my money back.
        
WHAT "money"?
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What is troubling in the Zyprexa trials was the underreporting of side effects.
Well, that's what I was getting at, I guess.
And that's why Alaska is suing them, correct?
Zap Rowsdower |
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Hey Little Karl, let's play a game.
It's kind of physical, so it may challenge your pussilanimous nature, but what the hey, we've seen you cry like the snivelling little chickenshit you are.
Ready?
Red Rovester, Red Rovester
Send the little mutant to the Dumpster
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Weston, Mass?
hahahahaha
rich fucking pricks, landed estates, snobby stockbrokers and commercial bankers and law firm partners keeping the riffraff middle-class out. that Weston?
it explains so much about Grover Norquist that he grew up in Weston.
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Fuck, I need some weed.
Haven't hardly smoked for months, other than abot 3 weeks ago, but right now, I think weed would be a good thing.
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It's been like that as long as I've had it.Weird... maybe it looks different on Windows (laptop) than Mac (iLamp).
My poor old iLamp is just too slow to deal with Firefox and killfile... takes farkin' forever for the long threads to load.
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If you think all those wonderful cheap generics brought to you by the nice folks at Wallmart ($4 per prescription) or your friendly neighborhood HMO are being manufactured in factories in India and China that have been throughly inspected by the FDA, then I've got a condo in south Florida you might be interested in buying. Its a great investment, really.
And to think Bush the Last, (hopefully) was trying to worry us about drugs made in Canada!
What a country. (us, not them)
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For instance, the FDA might want to test all heparin products imported into the country, to save a few lives here and there.
B--but, but...the *private sector* will test drugs cuz it's in their interest not to kill their customers. Except they cut corners and take dodgy risks with ingredients to save a few pennies. Not to worry, the families of the people who die can sue them, and this will somehow bring the market back into alignment...except for the people who died, I guess.
But after the Rethugs ram through 'tort reform' (which somehow doesn't count as government interference in Magical Marketplace Land), the families won't be able to sue, or the damages will be so minimal that the companies will just price in the cost of killing a few customers and a few cheap payouts as a cheaper option than ensuring a safe supply chain.
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"the market is god. god is perfect"-FDA
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So let's see. Baxter decides, in order to cut costs, to outsource production. But they are so bad at business they can't negotiate terms that give them absolute access and control to all aspects of the production?
puppethead
I had trouble following this logic myself.
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Uncle Smokes, the problem with thalidomide is that it has potential legitimate uses. I haven't read the clinical trials data on thalidomide, but I should. It's a fairly old drug. I'm not sure what the data turned up in it, and/or if it was not reported.
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Good thing the people voted Grover's candidate into office twice, so he can shrink the government real small and not invent a wholly new multi-billion-dollar branch and start an unnecessary and incomprehensibly expensive war or anything!
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Fuck me...I just had a drag of a cigarette. My first drag in five weeks.
Let it go. You'll be okay.
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One word: Thalidomide
I have a Finnish friend with those flipper arms.
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God I hate Firefox. How can anyone stand it?
I'm switching back to Safari. Back in a sec.
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I have an older version of Killfile that doesn't mess up Haloscan any more than it's always messed up.
It's version 0.7.20070607.0, if it's still available.
I get a daily reminder that there's a newer version available, which I think is less annoying than making Haloscan worse. I just ignore the reminder.
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So did the Pinball Wizard, and he was deaf dumb and blind.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
So....more capable than Chimpy?
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Oh Christ! My sister just called to tell me that a friend of the family who had an aortic dissection (what John Ridder died of) and has been in a coma for 12 days just woke up!
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Shouldn't each community devise its own method for testing its heparin, in accordance with each community's unique value system? In my community, we will test everything first upon the limp and mewling body of Mr. Grover Norquist.
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So....more capable than Chimpy?
You're setting the bar mighty low there, woman.
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I hate Firefox too, which tells you how I feel about Bugs.
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Not to worry, the families of the people who die can sue them...
Ummm, well ... see, there was this little Supreme Court ruling recently ...
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Vicki, that's amazing! And wonderful.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
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Wow - bodies found at site of Manson ranch:
http://www.comcast.net/news/
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I'm not sure what the data turned up in it, and/or if it was not reported.
Sallyh
Thalidomide is not a particularly harmful ... unless you are pregnant. The problem is that back then the testing was done on non-pregnant animals.
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Firefox has has never given me much trouble.
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Not that this might influence anyone's choice of credit card, computer, or software, but ....
"Norquist has represented various corporate interests including, American Express, National Rifle Association, Microsoft. Records show that Microsoft paid Grover Norquist $60,000 in 1999."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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I think something was wrong in the recent downloads from Firefox. It's after those that I've had trouble with Haloscan. It opens up whole screen-sized and I can't see my gravatar .
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My sister just called to tell me that a friend of the family who had an aortic dissection (what John Ridder died of) and has been in a coma for 12 days just woke up!
Wow, that's great news!
Southern Beale |
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Uncle Smokes, the problem with thalidomide is that it has potential legitimate uses.
I came across that information recently.
Multiple myeloma's one of the recent indications.
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Other than having to reinstall Firefox the other day, I've never had so much as a peep of trouble out of it.
Then again, I'm on Vista.
/runs
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Man, I wish Client 9 didn't mess things up for the rest of us.
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My sister just called to tell me that a friend of the family who had an aortic dissection (what John Ridder died of) and has been in a coma for 12 days just woke up!
Wow, that's great news!
As good as the ones a few weeks ago about my neighbor not having cancer of the pancreas, after all. Though he did have to go through the awful surgery to establish that.
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It's after those that I've had trouble with Haloscan. It opens up whole screen-sized and I can't see my gravatar .
For me, text doesn't wrap in the little Haloscan text window, so if I've got a really long html link, it's impossible.
I just really hate it on a lot of levels. And I don't get when people say it's "safer." How so?
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"his father would liken each bite he took out of his ice cream cone to a different type of tax levied by the government."
Now that's creepy!
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They might also want to check dental bridges and such made in China, since they are apparently made with lead.
Maybe we should just stop importing things from China.
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The problem is the "self-reporting" nature of drug trials. The FDA just doesn't have the resources to do its own tests.
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I like Firefox. Please, no browser wars 
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Uncle Smokes, the problem with ALL DRUGS is that it has potential legitimate uses.
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Vicki....that's great news.
Meanwhile, I saw a friend last night who found out his week:
1. Her dad might have cancer.
2. One of her good friends has about a week to live.
3. She's probably going to have to put her cat down.
And....she's going thru a divorce.
Yikes!!
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One word: Thalidomide
I have a Finnish friend with those flipper arms.
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Ironically, thalidomide was never marketed in the U.S. because, way back then, the FDA had teeth, balls, whatever, to halt its release ...three cheers to the free, unregulated markets!
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And I don't get when people say it's "safer." How so?
Not enough people bother to create worms and viruses for it, because the usage numbers are still fairly low.
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Maybe we should just stop importing things from China.
and destroy the fabulous relationship we have with the Communist Party of China?
Heresy!
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Flory, my heart goes out to her. What a terrible place to be in.
All good prayers and thoughts to her.
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Then again, I'm on Vista.
Are you running Office 2007?
If so, you might let res ipsa know... she could use some assistance...
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I said sometime last week that were it not for Federal funding of water projects in the west and elsewhere, Norquist would find it hard to fill that bathtub with water.
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Vicki! Yay for your no-longer-comatose friend of the family! Best wishes. A dissecting aorta is the kind of catastrophe you don't often live through. Let's keep our fingers crossed for a full and rapid recovery.
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I found it interesting that John McCain took a teensy weensy bit of criticism for his statements about vaccines and their links to autism last week.
Interesting because Sen. Bill Frist tried like the dickens to grant retroactive immunity to the drug manufacturer for any damages. Slipped legislation into unrelated bills at the 11th hour, got busted, tried again and again ...
I think Big Pharma is terrified that a definite, legally-bullet proof connection between autism and vaccine preservative will be proven. They'll be sued six ways to sundown.
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My Dad is starting chemo next week...after having his lung removed and being declared "cancer-free". It was his choice, I guess; but it pisses me off that they even offered him this "just in case" bull shit.
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The problem is the "self-reporting" nature of drug trials. The FDA just doesn't have the resources to do its own tests.
The FDA wouldn't if they did have resources. There is an attitude of collaboration which has to be attacked and replaced with a social-consciousness.
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Not enough people bother to create worms and viruses for it, because the usage numbers are still fairly low.
Echidne
Firefox also has a "security through obscurity" thing, where any major exploits that show up can be marked confidential and ignored for five years. Not fixed, just ignored.
Of course, when MS tried asking the BugTraq folks to let them have three weeks to do patches before publishing exploits, MS were the Debil....
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Ironically, thalidomide was never marketed in the U.S. because, way back then, the FDA had teeth, balls, whatever, to halt its release ...three cheers to the free, unregulated markets!
Nick Danger
Thalidomide was marketed in the US. The FDA was created in large part, in response to the thalidomide scandal.
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Hit and run, sorry:
The Financial Times today has as rough a review of a book as I have read. The victim is Jonah Goldberg.
It's probably on line somewhere. The headline was something like "The F Word".
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Interesting because Sen. Bill Frist tried like the dickens to grant retroactive immunity to the drug manufacturer for any damages. Slipped legislation into unrelated bills at the 11th hour, got busted, tried again and again ...
Yeah, it was during the anthrax thing, wasn't it?
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Not enough people bother to create worms and viruses for it, because the usage numbers are still fairly low.
Not quite. Really, Internet Explorer is the only unsafe browser. Every other browser is pretty safe, some slightly more so than others. But Microsoft has embedded so many paths of direct access into the operating system in IE that it's a foolish thing to use.
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I said sometime last week that were it not for Federal funding of water projects in the west and elsewhere, Norquist would find it hard to fill that bathtub with water.
Yes, of COURSE the California liberals support big government water projects ...
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"I said sometime last week that were it not for Federal funding of water projects in the west and elsewhere, Norquist would find it hard to fill that bathtub with water."
Yes. Someone (not Grover) once said, "The first rule of plumbing is, water flows downhill, unless the hill is located in the West and there is a big pile of money at the top of the hill."
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SoBeale, the data just don't support the correlation between vaccines and autism. It's very weak.
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Are you running Office 2007?
If so, you might let res ipsa know... she could use some assistance...
No...I'm smarter than that.
I'm a PC guy, but I'm always dumbfounded at Microsoft's "It ain't broke, but we'll break it" attitude. I'd be fine using XP the rest of my life.
Zap Rowsdower |
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Tainted Heparin has been an issue for over 2 weeks and the FDA has done nothing. Chaney must need some more heart surgery and heparin is needed.
Otherwise we are not important.
Global economy is not really working for the US, now is it? Do you miss you dead pet from tainted wheat gluten? Does Grandma really need to die too?
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I think Big Pharma is terrified that a definite, legally-bullet proof connection between autism and vaccine preservative will be proven. They'll be sued six ways to sundown.
Southern Beale
The reason that McCain took criticism, and he should get fucking piled on, is because there is not fucking link bettween vaccines and autism
I am so tired of that horseshit, and the very real risks it poses to other people's health.
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03.15.08 - 6:28 pm | #
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sallyh,
How did it go, or should I not ask?
Molly Ivors |
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03.15.08 - 6:28 pm | #
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Anti-Communist flick on right now: an admiral reminds a pilot that if they lose Korea, then Japan, perhaps the single most physically militant anti-Communist state on the planet, will go red, and then maybe Indochina OH NOES!!!!
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Indeed, P O'Neill. And utilities which provide electricity.
Echidne
Indeed. For the time being. But the technology exists now that we can use to liberate ourselves from even the subtle tyranny of the grid, the grip of the utilities.
Imagine a world in which wise people can buy and install an inexpensive device on their property that will generate all their power, with enough to spare to feed the grid and charge the batteries of their electric vehicles as well, while distilling greywater.
When will the greedy, blind warmongers learn that surpressing people's universal desire for liberation only drives their limitless creativity?
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Well, the good news is that he's cognizant...how weird - the guy was written off for dead.

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Really, Internet Explorer is the only unsafe browser.
I loved IE but had to stop using it because, well, it just isn't practical on the internets anymore. You get nowhere fast with IE. Dead end.
My dog, the one with cancer, is having a bad dream. He has a really sad, worried look on his face.
Poor thing.
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Uncle Smokes, the problem with thalidomide is that it has potential legitimate uses. I haven't read the clinical trials data on thalidomide, but I should. It's a fairly old drug. I'm not sure what the data turned up in it, and/or if it was not reported.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
The wiki piece talks about that that later in the article.
What I found of interest was the experience of Frances Kelsey, who rejected the drug (emphasis added):
"Kelsey rejected the application and requested the aforementioned data from the company in a letter. Richardson-Merrell resubmitted the application, but with no new information, and Kelsey turned it down again. She continued to request more data from the company and with each request the 60 day clock started again. As the end of 1960 approached and with it the holiday season (the best time for selling sedatives), Richardson-Merrell began increasing the pressure on the FDA and Kelsey. Executives and scientists telephoned and personally visited Kelsey, and executives complained to her superiors that she was nit-picking and unreasonable.
"Kelsey refused to clear Kevadon for sale in the United States until she could review satisfactory studies. She later said that the reports submitted by Grünenthal and Richardson-Merrell were more like testimonials than results of well-designed, controlled studies. (One possible reason for the lack of data could be that Richardson-Merrell's 'investigation' of thalidomide for its FDA application was organized and implemented not by scientists, but by the company's sales and marketing division.) Kelsey had also heard anecdotal reports of peripheral neuropathy as a side effect, which increased her concern about possible effects on a fetus. She continued to reject the Kevadon application. In total, the company resubmitted its Kevadon application to the FDA six times, but with no new evidence in those applications Kelsey refused approval."
Hurrah for marketing science.
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Thalidomide was marketed in the US. The FDA was created in large part, in response to the thalidomide scandal.
flory
I don't think this is right. I think the FDA has been around for longer than that (the thalidomide catastrophe hit circa 1955 or so, if memory serves.) There were comparatively few incidents of US kids who suffered as a result, because only a handful of US moms had access, via friends overseas, to the drug.
There were far, far larger numbers in the UK, despite its smaller population, again IIRC.
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The problem is the "self-reporting" nature of drug trials. The FDA just doesn't have the resources to do its own tests.
The FDA doesn't have to actually do the tests, just manage the trials. They can use the same firms that actually run the trials now. But someone without a vested interest should be overseeing the trials and interpreting the results.
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Falling down on the cat pixels. I'm so disappointed.
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Hmmm...Zapette rented "Once".
Any good?
Zap Rowsdower |
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According to these guys, http://www.fda.gov/oc/history/hi...fda/
default.htm, the FDA has been around since the US Civil War, 1862.
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It's very weak.
Sallyh
non-existant.
Anti-vaxxers are a cult.
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Right after 9/11, the FBI raided one of Grover's outfits, The Islamic Institute, because it was being funded by Saudis with connections to terrorist organizations.
Wonder why the librul media never followed up on that one? Or on the story about W having a convicted fundraiser for Hezbollah over as a guest at the White House?
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The Financial Times today has as rough a review of a book as I have read. The victim is Jonah Goldberg.
I foresee a new post at Whiskey Fire.
flory |
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The reason that McCain took criticism, and he should get fucking piled on, is because there is not fucking link bettween vaccines and autism
Well, I don't believe it. Deadly Immunity made a strong case for an austim-thimerosal link.
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I had a bad dream this afternoon. Very vivid.
These contractors walked into my house and started knocking out walls, and they wouldn't stop.
And then the guy said, "You asked us for a quote. We're just following up."
The thing is (in real life), I had my house remodeled a year ago.
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Molly, turned away at the door. The staff considers me 'toxic.' Mlle has not instructed them not to let me attend, but the staff feels that it would be 'too upsetting' and this was not the place to work out family issues.
Told that this was not family therapy, it was family education, and since I had a PhD, they felt I would be disruptive of 'the flow of the lecture.'
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My dog, the one with cancer, is having a bad dream. He has a really sad, worried look on his face.
Poor thing.
So sorry, Southern Beale. But when my Hank was diagnosed with cancer I thought her life was really quite good until the very last weekend. I don't think she had any idea she was ill as long as she was not in pain. But then she was a Lab.
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