I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
heh
Echidne
The topic deserves more than hehhing, of course. For instance, some treatments counted as alternative medicine do work (such as acupuncture for certain conditions).
You're sposed to be nice to me, TKK.
Okay.
We are fucked.
TKK hasn't had is first fix in a while?
TKK hasn't had is first fix in a while?
He's a greedy bugger. And poorly behaved, too. 
So "alternative" medicine = quackery?
Wow.
Actually, getting fucked is not a bad idea, just not by the health care system.
I think the Austrian model covers neither homeopathy nor stuff like visits to a chiropractor.
Altho, my GP often prescribes homeopathic meds, like elderberry tea to inhale.
I've posted this quiz before.
Name 4 men who graduated from the same high school
a radical left wing cunning linguist,
a real stooge,
the stupidest fucking man on Earth
and yours truly.
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BREAKING
Police shoot, kill armed man near Capitol complex
If whatever passes for public option isn't strong enough to inspire people to quit working at Walmart just for the healthcare, it isnt a strong enough option.
A bit of a nebulous standard, yes, but then again, I am one of those single payer kooks.
Ina, were you the commenter who was concerned about an old friend's behaviour toward your daughter? If that was you, how did that work out?
Marcellina
It was me. Thank you for asking. We've stopped going to suppers at his house for now.
He's a greedy bugger. And poorly behaved, too.
Echidne | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 10:57 pm | #
But nicely tanned. I saw him last night and he's looking very healthy.
"(CAM, which I hold in rather low esteem)"
here, try my healing crystal and some incense.
see? yer cancer is GONE!
Healthcare really needs to distinguish among its missions, IMO.
With younger folks, a lot of it is infrequent emergent care. Life saving medical attention, whether it be injury or illness.
With seniors, it is a much more chronic approach, often dealing with unrelenting deterioration of physical and mental capabilities.
Normally this kind of thing makes me reel, but today I am having the "eyes glaze over" effect.
Can we talk about mortgages? I might have something in me for default credit swaps on bad mortgages. No?
Well, pooh. I conclude - Health care is nice. Lack of it is not. There's some politics around it at present.
More as events warrant.
awww. Sorry, TKK. *pat,pat*
Lemme break out my provincial health card here...
Ya know, Canada adopted full on socialized health insurance in something like six months total.
All these arguments in the states are not arguments about policy; they're arguments about what can achieved politically--- that, in turn, is a recognition of the political power of the insurance companies.
Which is simply fucked up. Fuck the insurance companies.
did TKK get a tan on Lawn Guyland?
So "alternative" medicine = quackery?
Wow.
fred | 07.15.09 - 10:58 pm | #
If it involves the laying on of hands, I think we can agree the answer is "you betcha."
outright quackery like homeopathy.
Greasy whores with grimy fingers. That's what barbers, then doctors said about midwives.
Gah.
Thank you, Steve "Clean Close Shave" Simels.
I hope to have a beer with the NYC crowd before it gets cold... I just need to get the piranhas to stop chewing on my left flank as soon as the pain meds wear off.
Lemme break out my provincial health card here...
did TKK get a tan on Lawn Guyland?
Indeed.
Who do we have online from the Bay Area?
Speaking of healthcare, I have an update on Ericka and Sam.
And I talked about healthcare with Congressman Welch today.
Two slanties.
I'm out.
Peace.
I hope to have a beer with the NYC crowd before it gets cold...
I met the delightful Watertiger last night for the first time.
Glad to see you here, hope you're all better very soon.
Thank you, Steve "Clean Close Shave" Simels.
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 11:01 pm | #
NTodd glad to hear your good news on Ericka and Sam. 
Lemme break out my provincial health card here...
We have that here in VT, too. Thank dog: Ericka's brief hospitalization would've been even more financially damaging.
"If it involves the laying on of hands, I think we can agree the answer is "you betcha.""
Interesting. Since some western meds have been shown to be dangerous, all of western medicine is quackery.
Solid logic.
I met the delightful Watertiger last night for the first time.
Marcellina, elitist snob
A babe, no?
I was wondering the other day whether there was any push by advocates of complimentary and alternative medicine (CAM, which I hold in rather low esteem) to get unscientific health care products and services covered under any public plan.
As is my wont. Also.
So, stupid me, forgot to load up the freezer with ice cubes this morning. So, had to search around to keep the booze cool... huh, frozen strawberries, here's some kaluah, some vodka... pretty good!
Think I'll have another...
Interesting. Since some western meds have been shown to be dangerous, all of western medicine is quackery.
Solid logic.
fred | 07.15.09 - 11:04 pm | #
Enjoy your bloodletting.
Great news, NTodd! I'm sure Ericka is glad to be home (as you are to have her there).
Interesting. Since some western meds have been shown to be dangerous, all of western medicine is quackery.
Solid logic.
fred | 07.15.09 - 11:04 pm | #
I don't think anyone made that argument fred...
Speaking of healthcare, I have an update on Ericka and Sam.
So glad the news is good NTodd. Give my good thoughts to Ericka - and you take some too!
I met the delightful Watertiger last night for the first time.
Marcellina
Did she take her shoes off?
A babe, no?
Deacon Blues
She has some nice looking gams, from that headstand photo on her blog.
I tried acupuncture for awhile for various things. Utterly useless in my experience.
ooooo....tds has the HOT kathleen sebelius tonite.
Enjoy your bloodletting.
steve simels
Don't confuse my leeches with your escargot, please.
Mrs. Blues insists I dine with the fambly. BBL
The big one that does need to be covered is midwifery. Chiropractic's actually pretty nice for treating spinal traumas. The rest is . . . very occasionally useful. The worst being things like homeopathy. But hey, placebo effect.
Thanks, Deacon. We're pretty fucking glad, too! We'd prepared for a fucked up living situ, so it was such a nice surprise to bring Ericka home today.
I think the Austrian model covers neither homeopathy nor stuff like visits to a chiropractor.
I thought s/he was Swiss-Canadian.
I hope to have a beer with the NYC crowd before it gets cold... I just need to get the piranhas to stop chewing on my left flank as soon as the pain meds wear off.
racymind
Yes.
man, that was a wimpy throw.
Hmm, Johnny Got His Gun is on TCM.
I thought s/he was Swiss-Canadian.
JeffCO
*snort*
good night, batz
"I don't think anyone made that argument fred..."
No, the "argument" is associating so-called "alternative" medicine with the word "quackery" by making broad claims as to the lack of scientific basis for those many modalities.
It's hard to believe I'm reading this in the year 2009 on a liberal board.
These attitudes seem very foreign if one has lived on the West Coast and particularly in the Pacific Northwest, or many places outside the United States.
The fact that flaky things get put under the broad label of "alternative" doesn't mean many "alternative" modalities aren't both extremely effective and cheap.
*snort*
Marcellina, elitist snob |
btw
Next Tuesday should I dress like a Tyrolean goat herder to make you feel at home?
.
GOP Objectively Pro-Sickness. Illth as opposed to health?
Think I'll have another...
Moe Szyslak
I think I'd leave off the kahlua, but who am I--I did once mix tequila, sambuca, and grapefruit juice...
Okay, gotta go watch some vintage John Barrymore silents (work, believe it or not).
Back in a while, or perhaps au matin.
Wang chung!!!!
Good night, Echidne.
Hmm, Johnny Got His Gun is on TCM.
I was watching it but I switched to TDS because I WAS GETTING A LITTLE BIT DEPRESSED
good night, batz
Echidne |
g'night
I saw a sign at the local Home Depot today in the plumbing section that said, "We Rent Snakes". I thought of you.
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so it was such a nice surprise to bring Ericka home today. - NTodd
YAY!
Good thoughts for clan Todd.
I did once mix tequila, sambuca, and grapefruit juice...
Ina Face
that licorice liquor had to be a strange mix with tequila.
Not dead
Night, Goddess. 
A.O., don't tell me you've got Lederhosen in your closet?
I'll be the new one hanging with Blodge and the QLs.
that licorice liquor had to be a strange mix with tequila.
racymind
It made a relatively enjoyable cocktail. It wasn't good tequila, or I woulda drunk it neat.
Happy Birthday, bluesman!
I think Randi Rhodes has lost her mind. What the fuck is her major beef with him?
Franken did a great job today. He refuted the conservatives' idea of 'Judicial Activism', while simultaneously repudiating the hillbilly idiots in the Senate who attacked Sotomayor for supporting privacy rights. Where Lindsey Graham asked Sotomayor if 'abortion' appears anywhere in the Constitution, Franken made the point that the right to privacy doesn't either, but is explicitly recognized as a Constitutionally protected right. As if getting rid of it would NOT constitute 'judicial activism'..
Franken underlined the hypocrisy of the Lindsey Graham Cracker Caucus rather deftly.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/f...hp?f=10&
t=79440
The fact that flaky things get put under the broad label of "alternative" doesn't mean many "alternative" modalities aren't both extremely effective and cheap.
fred
Name one. I'm not being trollish, I want to know.
Never underestimate the extent to which Big Pharma will go to protect their franchise.
I'll be the new one hanging with Blodge and the QLs.
Marcellina, elitist snob |
The QLs will likely recognize me. I haven't met Blodge.
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"Name one. I'm not being trollish, I want to know."
Name one what?
Amantha Bee and John Oliver are very silly
The fact that flaky things get put under the broad label of "alternative" doesn't mean many "alternative" modalities aren't both extremely effective and cheap.
Of course. The only thing I'm saying is that in order for me to consider any modality "extremely effective" I would require evidence in the form of controlled studies. Short of that, we shouldn't spend money on it. Why is that controverisal?
"I haven't met Blodge."
I'll be the person with the shoes on.
I always thought the phrase "like herding cats" meant that something was impossible to do. Until I met Geor3ge's dog, who did indeed successfully herd three cats onto a table and make them sit in a line. It was impressive.
For some reason I have a five-minute delay on The Daily Show.
I haven't met Blodge."
I'll be the person with the shoes on.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
And hopefully not dead yet!
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For some reason I have a five-minute delay on The Daily Show.
Moe Szyslak
don't miss the health care thing
should be on for you now
Alternative medicine is a soft target, and sometimes undeservedly so, since it's not all unscientific quackery. Save a little of your quackbuster ethos for drug companies who market to patients, who then will pressure their doctors for a certain product. How is that evidence based medicine?
Bo
if you're here try it now
The dude on TDS just said "Grandma Dogface in the banana patch."
That was a nod to an ancient Steve Martin bit about talking weird to your infant children.
I'll be the person with the shoes on. - Uncle Blodge
You will also still be not dead, one hopes.
Sibelieus on TDS!
Shooting "near the Capitol" appears to have been an attempted traffic stop gone bad (the driver didn't want to stop, ran over a couple of officers and hit a cruiser) near Union Station, several blocks away.
Name one. I'm not being trollish, I want to know.
devopsych
Well, the elderberry tea inhalations my GP prescribes, for one. I imagine many US docs would sniff at that.
Also, stuff like camomille drops that are used to reduce inflammation. I use them all the time. Get them at the apothecary. My gynecologist told me about them.
She also told me about using yogurt to battle yeast infections, which I understand got some medical practioners in CA in legal trouble.
"Those are my testicles!"
Comedy gold!
No, not yet - and since I have made friends with one of the biggest kids in the school I doubt this school will kill me
he's a hallwalker but he likes me
Save a little of your quackbuster ethos for drug companies who market to patients, who then will pressure their doctors for a certain product. How is that evidence based medicine?,/i.
yeah, really. overpriced crap that later turns out can kill you.
Need to get up and move around... maybe nap. See youse guys later.
Uncle B,
I gits
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This is Bluesmans Daughter, his modem has gone out of his computer ( he says "lucky me" ) He wants to say :"Thank you everyone for wishing me Happy Birthday " and he will get back online someday - when ever he can get the modem taken care of.
And yet another drink to AO.
damn, it's not the finnish composer. it's madame Secretaire de la santé
Thank you Daughter of Bluesman, and wish him a happy birthday from me too!
he's a hallwalker but he likes me
Uncle Blodge
good! we like you too, sweety!
Yeah, I'm totally sold on yogurt-also to eat whenever you are on antibiotics. Yet I've never had a doctor tell me to take it.
She also told me about using yogurt to battle yeast infections, which I understand got some medical practioners in CA in legal trouble. - Marcellina
Used to be suggested at the Berkeley Free Clinic. At least on of the medics of from my time eventually became an Associate Director of CDC.
Marcellina, elitist snob, there's nothing really quackish about herbal remedies. Sure, they may not all be effective in what they're used for, but various plants and herbs do contain pharmocalogically active ingredients, and it's entirely plausible (and correct) that some have medicinal value.
Of course, that's a very different thing from homeopathy or faith healing.
Hey, had a meatspace interaction with Fokowi. Gooder people are hard to come by, but what should expect from an Atriot.
Against Abortion?
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in order for me to consider any modality "extremely effective" I would require evidence in the form of controlled studies. Short of that, we shouldn't spend money on it. Why is that controverisal?
John
Because we've got a corner cutting insurance industry, chauvinistic and ignorant physicians, Big Pharma stealing folk remedies and patenting them, while funding a drug war and pushing all manner of harmful addictive crap as long as they can make a profit, that's why.
Quackery, my ass. Put that in your 'peer reviewed journal' and smoke it. That is, if Big Pharma hasn't made it illegal to smoke peer reviewed journals...
There was a time in Western Medicine, when they would stick a leech up your ass and saw a limb off if you had a frigging cold for Christ's sake! People thought we were Far More Advanced than the savages then, too..
I knew this wasn't really a dfh blog.
/pops corn, lurks
Yes, we did talk politics. Why do you ask?
Late Show With David Letterman
Musician Paul McCartney.
The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson
Actress Rosie Perez; author Alan Furst.
The Tonight Show With Conan O'Brien
Actor Dana Carvey; actor Anthony Anderson; Allison Iraheta performs.
Late Night With Jimmy Fallon
Actor Kevin Connolly; TV personality Alexa Chung; Aimee Mann performs.
Jimmy Kimmel Live
Author Larry King; Chester French performs.
Charlie Rose
Richard Levin, president of Yale University.
Aimee Mann! love her.
Bo
one more time
they need modems with zippers around here. I've fried 3 this year. Takes longer to untangle the computer cords than it takes to replace a modem.
Back from Harry Potter. Not bad at all. I get a kick out of Luna Lovegood and Bellatrix Lestrange.
Spoiler: The spider dies.
Hi Marecellina...he says that he will get back as soon as the computer issue is taken care of. Thanks for the birthday wishes. Yay for cell phones..booo for dial up.
Mmrf.
"I would require evidence in the form of controlled studies. Short of that, we shouldn't spend money on it. Why is that controverisal?"
So you're in favor of spending tax dollars on those studies?
I hope you realize also the limitations of focused studies on overall well-being.
Pharmaceuticals have huge investments poured into them, are studied along the lines which you mention, and yet we see many of them turn out to have extreme side effects, and even those that are tolerable, still have many ridiculous side effects.
The problem with a lot of western medicine is that it looks at problems in isolation. Here we are shelling out 15-17% of our GDP on medicine, yet we are a nation of overstuffed, glazed-eyed, psychotic, idiotic people.
It doesn't mean that scientific methods can't be applied, but we need to broaden our perspective many times as to what the effects are.
The reason a lot of these things don't get studied is there's no money in it. Nothing to patent.
Behaviors aren't like taking some pill. That's why the results are often fuzzy, because it's very difficult having the discipline to do many things that take a long time to have an effect.
You know what, Stewie? If you don't like it, go on the internet and complain.
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John, I guess you got me there. Over here at least, many people refer to the things I mentioned (correctly or not) as homeopathic remedies.
Uncle B,
Mo bettah! I can see Brizz!
.booo for dial up.
Daughter of The Bluesman
i still have nightmares about dial up connections. that noise... still can lead me to the crazy house.
Uncle B,
Mo bettah! I can see Brizz!
bo, Fokowi for CA Gov!
Same here.
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fred, we have spent tax dollars on it. $2.5 billion on them.
They're going to water this thing down until it's horse shit. Money talks.
Also, stuff like camomille drops that are used to reduce inflammation.
Thank you Marcellina, that's something I deal with. Does it work as well as ibuprofen? Maybe without the possible liver toxicity and gastro bleeding issues?
I knew this wasn't really a dfh blog.
Was it the abortion debates that convinced you?
they need modems with zippers around here. I've fried 3 this year. - 1Watt
Jayzus, what ARE you doing?
* A four year study on the benefits of hawthorn, commissioned by the German Ministry of Health, found that it improves contractions in the veins and heart while dilating the heart. This increases blood flow in the heart as well as flow speed throughout the body for increased circulation to organs and musculature. The researchers concluded that hawthorn is best used for low heart function, congestion, arrhythmia and tightness in the chest and no side effects were noted (Hoffmann 1995).
Marcellina, elitist snob, there is a lot of that all around. Homeopathic is a specific form of practice that lacks scientific plausibility, at least as far as we understand physics and chemistry.
People that assume it's just herbals or over the counter drugs are often surprised when they read what it actually is.
My students at the last school had heard of him
He really has a shot of making a living off of this
and I can say I knew him when
A man in the United States is charged $23 quadrillion for a packet of cigarettes at his local petrol station
"I thought somebody had bought Europe with my credit card," said Josh Muszynski, from New Hampshire.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri...cas/
8152278.stm
quote of the day, that one.
Aimee Mann! love her.
plum p
Me too!
Did you know she was married to Michael Penn (quite a damned good musician in his own right)?
Listen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h...h?v=hBgVJMuSh-
I
Does it work as well as ibuprofen?
I have never taken it internally but I believe one can, with water. I use it externally.
Dr Mrs G has learned a lot of alternative medicine, on the principle that some of it works, and her patients are gonna use it anyway, so she better know about it. Also.
"fred, we have spent tax dollars on it. $2.5 billion on them."
from the article...
"As for therapies, acupuncture has been shown to help certain conditions, and yoga, massage, meditation and other relaxation methods may relieve symptoms like pain, anxiety and fatigue."
Pharmaceuticals have huge investments poured into them, are studied along the lines which you mention, and yet we see many of them turn out to have extreme side effects, and even those that are tolerable, still have many ridiculous side effects.
heh, just imagine someone trying that approach with an computer operating system.
A man in the United States is charged $23 quadrillion for a packet of cigarettes at his local petrol station
With that credit limit, he could pay off the US debt, bailout Wall Street AND get us to Mars.
People that assume it's just herbals or over the counter drugs are often surprised when they read what it actually is
A visit to Wikipedia and I stand corrected.
"I knew this wasn't really a dfh blog."
i'm smoking hemp in my pyramid.
Name 4 men who graduated from the same high school
a radical left wing cunning linguist,
a real stooge,
the stupidest fucking man on Earth
and yours truly.
.
Agent Orange
Next to last would have been Douglas Feith?
Pharmaceuticals have huge investments poured into them, are studied along the lines which you mention, and yet we see many of them turn out to have extreme side effects, and even those that are tolerable, still have many ridiculous side effects.
"Safe and effective" used to be the mantra of the FDA.
I guess the money got too big.
Did you know she was married to Michael Penn (quite a damned good musician in his own right)?
Listen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h....h?v=hBgVJMuSh-
I
Duane V
i did know, been a while too now.
Thank you Marcellina, that's something I deal with. Does it work as well as ibuprofen? Maybe without the possible liver toxicity and gastro bleeding issues?
devopsych
You mean...Big Pharma pushed a drug that can actually be very harmful, just because they could profit from it??
SHOCKING.
i'm smoking hemp in my pyramid.
jdw
Heh.
A man in the United States is charged $23 quadrillion for a packet of cigarettes at his local petrol station
What kind of a patriot is he? The fucker could have bailed the whole country out with that card.
i did know, been a while too now.
plum p
Yup. They make beautiful music together.
I find arnica works well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...NbTC6xLVg0&
NR=1
Agent Orange
Next to last would have been Douglas Feith?
Upsidasium |
You are correct! He was one year behind me in high school.
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A man in the United States is charged $23 quadrillion for a packet of cigarettes at his local petrol station
And they said Snow Crash was fiction.
A man in the United States is charged $23 quadrillion for a packet of cigarettes at his local petrol station
I'm amazed that the banking software allowed it to post. WTF?!
Is #1 Noam Chomsky?
and yoga, massage, meditation and other relaxation methods may relieve symptoms like pain, anxiety and fatigue. - fred
That's what wine is for.
Colbert is strating a campaign to be Countdown's Worst Person In The World
if homeopathy worked, you could cure all of your illnesses by walking through a heathfood store.
Is #1 Noam Chomsky?
Karin Hussein |
Correct again! I'm not that old though.
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A man in the United States is charged $23 quadrillion for a packet of cigarettes at his local petrol station
yeah, but their on the metric system ...
Studies show that statin drugs prescribed to heart patients deplete coenzyme q10, which can result in congestive heart failure. Simply taking coQ10 can reveerse this effect. Do any drug companies reccommend this in their literature? How many practitioners outside of alternative/complementary ones mention this crucial nutrient?
Here's one small tidbit, there's more.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubm...pubmed/
16873939
Can the private sector look shittier?
All the con artists, or nincompoops seem to have all come out of the woodwork at the same time.
Agent Orange
Philadelphia Central High.
You are correct! He was one year behind me in high school. .
Agent Orange
He must have been as stupid then as he is now. How is it you failed to kill him, or at least stuff him in a locker?
Is there any benefit to taking coQ10 if you are not on statins? I know people who take it, but I'm not sure why.
KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. — As the space shuttle Endeavour lifted off into orbit Wednesday evening, several pieces of debris fell off the external fuel tank, and at least one hit the orbiter.
How many spare bunks do they have on the space station?
I'm amazed that the banking software allowed it to post. WTF?!
Either Gus Gorman or Michael Bolton musta fucked up a line in their program.
crackpot, I'm not sure what your point is.
You're not arguing with any pharmaceutical lobbyists here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=8...feature=related
The door to CAM was opened by various congressional law changes well after the foundation of Medicare. The CAM/snake-oil industry has grown much stronger financially as a result, and will have a much better chance of getting in on the ground floor of new programs.
Agent Orange
Philadelphia Central High.
Ralphie |
Why yes! And the stooge was Larry Fine!
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KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. — As the space shuttle Endeavour lifted off into orbit Wednesday evening, several pieces of debris fell off the external fuel tank, and at least one hit the orbiter.
How bad?
.
And the stooge was Larry Fine!
He was Moe, right?
I'm amazed that the banking software allowed it to post. WTF?!
I'm surprised the number field had that many digits. Even when I worked at Bear & we dealt with highly devalued currencies like Turkish lire, we never went up to the quadrillions in the computer programs.
skeptonomist, that was basically my concern/point in the post.
It's much easier to find a few friendly/buyable congresscritters when they write the law than convince beaurocrats that your treatments are medically neccessary and evidence based.
How bad?
They don't know yet.
With that credit limit, he could pay off the US debt, bailout Wall Street AND get us to Mars.
He did get charged a $15 overdraft fee.
My point: you said "advocates of complimentary and alternative medicine (CAM, which I hold in rather low esteem) to get unscientific health care products and services covered under any public plan." I understand the skepticism on a lot of alt med, but the brush seemed overly broad in that statement. Sorry for the overkill.
KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. — As the space shuttle Endeavour lifted off into orbit Wednesday evening, several pieces of debris fell off the external fuel tank, and at least one hit the orbiter.
I *knew* those weren't the usual spots before my eyes.
A popular homeopathic treatment for the flu is a 200C dilution of duck liver, marketed under the name Oscillococcinum. To obtain one molecule of the original substance used to prepare this remedy would require consuming the volume within a cube over 10x55 light years on each side, which is more than a decillion times larger than the known universe
So, that's like, a lot then.
Damn. I hate it when they announce there's been debris.
And the stooge was Larry Fine!
He was Moe, right?
Gromit |
Larry - "Moe, Moe we're trapped like rats!"
/Moe pokes 2 fingers into Larry's eyes/
Moe - "Speak for yourself, porcupine."
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A man in the United States is charged $23 quadrillion for a packet of cigarettes at his local petrol station
I'm amazed that the banking software allowed it to post. WTF?!
MP
They thought it was a friendly little gift from Tim Geithner.
"A man in the United States is charged $23 quadrillion for a packet of cigarettes at his local petrol station."
yes, but he got a coupon in his pack for a free ashtray!
Go Central!
one of my friends will be there this coming year
He must have been as stupid then as he is now. How is it you failed to kill him, or at least stuff him in a locker?
bo
Maybe he did. There's a reason for all that pent up aggression.
Sorry for the overkill.
crackpot | 07.15.09 - 11:47 pm | #
I was just saying you missed the point. Arguing that there are problems with the pharmaceutical industry does nothing to bolster or weaken the case that CAM treatments are effective or worthwhile.
That's all.
It was like a flutter of small stuff flying away from the tank camera.
Why can't NASA admit that they just can't overcome the external tank debris problem?
Damn. I hate it when they announce there's been debris.
At least they now give it a careful inspection, and they're going to the space station, which has a Soyuz module for evacuation purposes.
But it does seem that we're going to space in a 1972 Pinto.
Moe took his obligations as Head Stooge very seriously.
I'm out. Have a good night, peeps.
Oscillococcinum
Latin for "my rotating ass."
He must have been as stupid then as he is now. How is it you failed to kill him, or at least stuff him in a locker?
bo
Maybe he did. There's a reason for all that pent up aggression.
Duane V, pissed |
Ironically, we were all too busy telling each other how smart we were.
Poor Dougie!
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So, that's like, a lot then.
Culture of TrÜth
'bout a half a carton of Camels ... filtered
hey! there's a québécoise in the space shuttle! she even brought with her some maple syrup fpr the last day before they come back!
Julie Payette her name is. quite a brilliant and pretty woman. her second time up there. so that shuttle mission is big news here. and with the 40th of the moon landing, lots of teevee docs, etc.
ladies and gentlemen, we are floating in space
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod...d/
ap090715.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E...rom=PL&
index=38
Why can't NASA admit that they just can't overcome the external tank debris problem?
In retrospect, mounting the external tank alongside, instead of underneath, the shuttle was a very stupid design decision.
Damn. I hate it when they announce there's been debris.
You mean you hate every launch?
But it does seem that we're going to space in a 1972 Pinto.
Gromit
Dang. Hope it doesn't have Firestone tires...
In retrospect, mounting the external tank alongside, instead of underneath, the shuttle was a very stupid design decision.
Underneath the thrusters might not be a good place for a liquid fuel tank...
In the 16th century mainstream medicine employed such measures as bloodletting and purging, used laxatives and enemas, and administered complex mixtures, such as Venice treacle, which was made from 64 substances including opium, myrrh, and viper's flesh.
Venice Treacle - good band name
Viper's Flesh - better
The computed enhanced video of the last ascent and hit on Columbia's wing is startling. Of course the enhancement wasn't done until after the orbiter disintegrated over Texas.
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In retrospect, mounting the external tank alongside, instead of underneath, the shuttle was a very stupid design decision.
Gromit | 07.15.09 - 11:51 pm | #
I can't help but think that maybe, just maybe, the engineers want stuff to look like it did in the comic book drawings they saw when they were kids.
But it does seem that we're going to space in a 1972 Pinto.
Gromit
yeah, but that pinto is pretty reliable, you know. That Cirque Du Soleil guy is going up in one in september.
I was just saying you missed the point. Arguing that there are problems with the pharmaceutical industry does nothing to bolster or weaken the case that CAM treatments are effective or worthwhile.
That's all.
John
Well it should. Big Pharma steals folk remedies, patents them, and pays the PR indistry millions to convince us theirs is the only solution.
Moe took his obligations as Head Stooge very seriously. - CutUpSound
Moe was a passive-aggressive. why else would he endeavor to surround himself with stooges-only to furiously lash out at them for their stoogeness?
Dang. Hope it doesn't have Firestone tires...
Nope. Morton Thiokol.
In the 16th century mainstream medicine employed such measures as bloodletting and purging, used laxatives and enemas, and administered complex mixtures, such as Venice treacle, which was made from 64 substances including opium, myrrh, and viper's flesh.
Don't forget thalidomide.
Oops, that was the twentieth century.
Underneath the thrusters might not be a good place for a liquid fuel tank...
Point taken. Guess we need the space elevator.
The computed enhanced video of the last ascent and hit on Columbia's wing is startling. Of course the enhancement wasn't done until after the orbiter disintegrated over Texas.
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Agent Orange
Those poor people.
Those aren't debris they're UFOs. Nasa is lying to us once again, sheeple!
I can't help but think that maybe, just maybe, the engineers want stuff to look like it did in the comic book drawings they saw when they were kids.
racymind |
That's precisely a theme I've used in class for years. I call it "The Tail of Science Fiction Wagging the Dog Science Fact".
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Underneath the thrusters might not be a good place for a liquid fuel tank...
NTodd, Wise Latina
Howcum all those brilliant physicists couldn't figure that one out?
and didn't you see NovaScienceNow last night on PBS? the next generation of rocket engine will use the same combustible as a reel pinto!
Big Pharma steals folk remedies, patents them, and pays the PR indistry millions to convince us theirs is the only solution.
Ask your doctor about wearing garlic around your neck in a sock.
aimee again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Q...feature=related
"Ask your doctor about wearing garlic around your neck in a sock."
you can't do that without paying a royalty to Merck.
Big Pharma steals folk remedies, patents them, and pays the PR indistry millions to convince us theirs is the only solution.
Ask your doctor about wearing garlic around your neck in a sock.
CutUpSound
Not allowed to say anything bad about Big Pharma!! That would at least protect me from the goddamned Vampires running Big Pharma.
Agent O, what do you usually teach? I'm pretty sure it's in the sciences part of arts and sciences, but what specifically is your area of expertise? And I assume you teach college level?
Ask your doctor about wearing garlic around your neck in a sock.
CutUpSound
No, no, no. Everyone knows it's an onion on your belt.
Dog Science Fact? Science Fact Dog?
CBS News - Apollo 11 Moon Landing, July 1969
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...h?
v=g_sWmD6NvMY
i still can't get over that they got there with the technology available in those days. man, that was nuts
In retrospect, mounting the external tank alongside, instead of underneath, the shuttle was a very stupid design decision.
Gromit
It's a hideous design, where you risk debris from the propulsion system striking the human-occupied orbiter on ascent.
Has this always been happening, and we've just lucked out a lot?
"it's protecting taxpayers from getting ripped off for the benefit of a business group."
It's so sweet to see a leftist suddenly expressing concern for taxpayers. One gathers that businesses rank even lower than taxpayers in the leftist "mind".
Those poor people.
Duane V, pissed |
Most horrible is that the crew knew Columbia was unrecoverable for about 40 seconds before it opened up and likely killed them instantly.
As I said the other day, never attach 7 pink little bodies to the payload on ascent or descent.
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Those aren't debris they're UFOs. Nasa is lying to us once again, sheeple!
devopsych
You're a fuckin' nut, you know that?
Dear Medicare Recipients,
You might have thought we forgot about you, but no!
We Democrats have been wondering: why are you people living so long? Why are you making demands on our health care system when we all know you got one--if not two!--feet in the grave?
Don't you know that Al Gore's Fragile Earth has finite, precious resources?
Why don't you just die and let us socialize American "health care" altogether?
Your Glorious Emperor,
Supreme Leader Hussein Jiveass-Narcissus Mugabe-Carter
I do not share John's disdain for CAM. I believe alternative treatments are often better. Western medical traditions tend to be myopic. Acupuncture, and herbal treatments are very effective. The use of elderberry tinctures by returning WWI vets stand out as an example of how such treatments do in fact work.
i still can't get over that they got there with the technology available in those days. man, that was nuts
plum p,better democrats please
Saw that stuff in a museum - it didn't look much more advanced that deep-sea diving gear.
Probably the white shirts, skinny neckties and slide rules that made it all work...
kaymoutl8rh9rz
devopsych
Didn't Alan Shepard say there really were space aliens?
i think the space shuttle took down tower 2.
think the space shuttle took down tower 2.
jdw
Nah. that was bldg 7.
before you go, NTodd, how is Ericka?
G'night NTodd, Ericka and baby Sam. Sweet home sweet home dreams.
I'm really sick of people. Audrey's brand new bike was stolen when she was at work. Locked and hooked up to a stop light at a busy corner. Some asshole cut the chain. Yet the cops can stop me for a fucking seat belt violation, but they're never around when this shit happens.
This is the second bike in 2.5 months. I had to pick her up and deal with the aftermath.
She works too fucking hard for her money. The bike cost her $ 350, a 2008 (last year's model) Hiro. Neither she nor I can afford to replace the second new bike this year. The first one was stolen from our garage in May.
Homo sapiens suck.
/Rant off.
Although I really don't need this. I'm on the verge of a depressive episode, and shit like this does not help, even though I'm trying my ass off to accentuate the positive.
/Really done now.
Probably the white shirts, skinny neckties and slide rules that made it all work...
Upsidasium
No. They literally willed that rocket to the moon.
Really done now.
Vicki
I'm sorry. That sucks.
No. They literally willed that rocket to the moon.
Duane V, pissed
Vicki, that sucks big time. I'm so sorry about that. Things have to be looking up soon - I'll send out positive thoughts to the universe for you.
Damn, Vicki. That would get to the best of us all. Humans can suck pretty bad sometimes.
Not your fault, Duane. It's the fault of a society that is broken.
Sheets mofohz
kaymoutl8rh9rz - NTodd
sayluvnhugst'ericaK?
"Nah. that was bldg 7."
sorry, you are correct. my chakras are jammed and i can't find my crystals.
night bats.
Most horrible is that the crew knew Columbia was unrecoverable for about 40 seconds before it opened up and likely killed them instantly.
As I said the other day, never attach 7 pink little bodies to the payload on ascent or descent.
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Agent Orange
fourty seconds.. That's a long, long time...horrible.
You're a fuckin' nut, you know that?
Duane V, pissed
And what are you, some kind of MIB disinfo agent?
make sure they read the bike thieves their Miranda rights, like they do for the Taliban!
sorry, you are correct. my chakras are jammed and i can't find my crystals.
night bats.
jdw
Try some acupuncture and herbal tea.
Letterman: "Why haven't you been on my show in 25 years?"
McCartney: "I don't like the show, Dave"
And what are you, some kind of MIB disinfo agent?
devopsych
Yes.
Letterman: "Why haven't you been on my show in 25 years?"
McCartney: "I don't like the show, Dave"
Culture of TrÜth
That's great..
Bonne nuit all
The Hercules Cluster of Galaxies
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod...d/
ap090716.html
night, plum p.
John, I hope you read this far down. Your arrogance and projected infallility make you somewhat of a pathetic shallow joke when it comes to the subject you're describing.
Pay attention: Whatever helps people get and stay well IS WHAT WORKS! Sometimes M.D.'s do it. Sometimes alternative practitioners do it. Usually the patient has 90% to do with his/her getting well, and the doctors of whatever kind are just along for the ride.
Really, a little humility might kill you, but then good riddance if you stay so rigid and in the shallow end of the awareness pool.
Devopsych: Sure you're trolling! You wouldn't believe anything anyone else told you here anyway. Do your own research, you lazy skeptic (or should I say, you lazy uninformed ignorant tragically skeptic troll). We don't need your baiting in these comments.
Herbal tinctures cure AIDS. Grow hair too.
Evidence-based medicine, meaning scientific evidence.
I dream some day that when an interesting topic is posted here that the Eschaton social club will camp out on an open thread and self stimulate each other there while some others could actually discuss the topic at hand.
Not that it matters, but I take exception to dismissal of alternatives as outright quackery. Quackery comes in many forms.
Who the hell is John?
It is a great mistake, and a sign of both hubris and ignorance, to lump together highly disparate therapies into one mish-mash called "CAM."
Chiropractic has long been recognized by the scientific and medical community as effective for a range of skeletal and nerve related disorders. There is no longer significant debate about this. Acupuncture as well, especially electro-acupuncture, has gained acceptance among the medical and scientific community for its use in certain situations, especially pain management, Bell's Palsy, IBS, insomnia, primary dysmenorrhoea and others. There are an increasing number of clinical studies, both in the U.S, and abroad, that indicate genuine medical benefits from acupuncture. The usefulness and efficacy of herbal medicine is likewise gaining legitimacy as more and more clinical studies indicate its therapeutic value.
These modalities should not be conflated with the real woo-woo quackery like aromatherapy, homeopathy, Reiki or "spiritual healing." It's a poor way to make an argument.
As for "what sorts of standards would determine who would and would not be part of the healthcare workforce," the schooling and licensing of chiropractors is so established as to need no comment and let me cite that here in California, and nationally as well, there are strict requirements for the practice of acupuncture, not the least of which is a post graduate degree which includes years of study that encompasses much of what becoming an RN would require, such as anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, western medical diagnosis and terminology, biology, etc. and hundreds of hours of supervised clinical practice, along with a comprehensive state administered exam.
Hardly "woo-woo."
Oh, and what Lefty said.
You know what they call Alternative Medicine that works.
Medicine
Lets save money and keep all the snake oil salesman out of healthcare.
John, maybe you should stick to topics which you know something about.
What an ass.
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This thread is full of win.
I didn't mean to offend anyone's preferred magical beliefs.
Bear in mind that the woohdicine(*) is in large part available due to the influence of loony prince Charlie.
See "The Irrational Health Service"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=...n&
v=wq6gT4vDUWs
8m15s onwards
(*) i.e. unproven C/AM. If it's proven it becomes normal medicine, even if it does have C/AM roots.
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