OUTRAGED SPLEEN OF ZION
Excellent choice....CHANGE!
She presents herself well. Very down to earth feeling, a straight-talker. If the outcome wasn't so critical I'd enjoy the forthcoming fireworks.
It is amazing to me that the Obama camp would criticize her lack of experience right off the bat. But they seem to be a particularly dense lot.
INTEGRITY, TRANSPARENCY, COMMITMENT, PUBLIC SERVANTHOOD.. more in the manner of the democrats of old..."ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.."
I'd imagine this ticket will sweep in lots of PUMA's!
Heard that the Democrats are now criticizing Palin's choice because she has a child with Down's Syndrome and wondering if that would distract with her duties....
LGF is down.
Or at least the hamsters are breathless...
I was hoping for a live blog for this speech - which has so far been great.
Heal hamsters!
Is there anybody out there? Just nod if you can hear me.
- P. Floyd
Hey, getting an "operation aborted" when I try to access the site, wassup with that?
Same here.
Can't reach LGF.
Still down? Or has Charles just killed the IE6 browsers?
May have something to do with new update of Flash - I got an update popup the other day, I accepted it. Now when my attempt to get on LGF fails, my local flash seems broken, have to restart browser at least.
LGF is up, it's a plugin problem, probably flash. If I put LGF in security lockdown I can see it, but has no cookies so can't post!
I can't get in!!!!
WHO IS LURKING HERE?
Hamsters are struggling...
rush's false identifying has crashed lgf...or so it seems
Server error, LGF completely fried??!?
So...I can't log in to lgf for the life of me. I try to submit my "forgot your password" email but it isn't even recognized. It started this morning. Anyone have any suggestions?
yet another disturbance in the force?
LGF down?
lgf's runnin' on the slow juice tonight. how was/is the debate? haven't watched any of it.
"lgf's runnin' on the slow juice tonight. how was/is the debate? haven't watched any of it." That was me, btw.
MUTHA SHIP DOWN
ALL HANDS ON DECK
Who is lurking here?
BEHEAD THOSE WHO LURK WHEN I FEEL LIKE CHATTING
Can see front page, can't open discussion pages, IE7 just stops responding, wassup with that?
8pm central - 10/24/08
Where have you gone, Stinky DiMaggio?
Saw a thread about some kind of maintenance, but got an epic fail when I tried to click the link.
Wha happened to LGF?
Sigh, it's sad when I'm jonesing on a Friday night for an LGF fix...
IT BE DOWN
SHE EEEZ DOWN
she eez down again, at least to my IE6
dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn
no lgf all morning! don't think i can last the rest of the day.
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia...The-
Creator.htm
Anybody here??
I am, can't get safari to work without some plug in it won't install. ugh!
anonymous? that would be --me!
Hey Y'all - it's Wed Nov 5th - as usual I can't raise LGF - is there anyone out here?!
Hi realwest,
I'm here. Crying in my tea, but here. I leave for Israel today and that is keeping me sane.
Hi all - I can't get LGF to load either.
withdraw symptoms hardest hit.
Im uable to get on LGF as well...do you think it's the fairness doctrine kicking in? The left has decided we've already had our say?
Well to paraphrase the Chinese(?) curse, 'We are definitely living in interesting times'. Me, I like boring.
Hello, hello, is anyone still here?
Just read at NRO's "The Corner" that Bill Ayers was at the Obama rally last night.
The fairness doctrine will be the end of free speech as we know it, and the beginning of official state run media.
on a lighter note:
"Listen, guys, we just peacefully elected the first black president - that's a beautiful thing, truly. And God be with him - he'll need it. I know it's unsophisticated to say it and so on, but every now and again, we have to remember... we could've been born Saudis or Kenyans or Chinese... but we got unbelievably lucky, unbelievably blessed. When you're born American, every day should be Thanksgiving. So on we go."
--some guy named Andrew Klavan
Frogmarch,
I believe we're in for some 'fundamental change', exactly as Obama promised. I don't think I'm going to like it. It still is incredible to me that Ayers is in the position he is in today with all the influence he has on our children through his educational policies and doctrines. We are, at present, a nation that has acted in abysmally stupid ways. Of course, when I look at the caliber of people in Congress I guess it's not really surprising.
I guess it's just you and me, Frogmarch. What you said is true. Obama will have my heartfelt good wishes and my prayers, but I'm afraid he doesn't have my trust. I just have too many questions concerning his past associations, some of his rhetoric, and all of his intentions.
Morning all.
Wondering how the Market is going to react to this news. Will it open higher or go straight into the crapper as people move assets around to keep the One from redistributing them.
RW - you said it. Beyond the Obama is our depressing congress-- filled to the brim with leftists who have been there since the beginning of time. Chuck Schumer makes me sick.
Bubblehead,
My husband and I employ three people. We are getting close to retirement, but wanted to work for several years longer. Last night we wondered if it was worth it. We've raised our family and want to protect what we've worked hard for and saved. I don't want to turn it over to the government. I'm sure, given a little time we'll be back to paying 60% or more in taxes. We'll retire first. It will be unfortunate for our employees who will be looking for work in these times. I'll suggest they look to government jobs because that's the only job sector that I see as growing...probably exponentially!
I just hope that I can keep my job. We have already had one round of layoffs and I suspect that another is on the horizon. My manager had to submit a report justifying the number of techs she has on each shift and the hours we work. If the economy tanks even further, well who knows.
/verybigsigh
Somebody changed the password here so I can't even put up a new thread. :-(
RW - you are not alone. Millions of Americans are considering the same thing.
The market is down 180 points.
I told talloldman this morning we're cashing out the 401k, selling the house, buying a small RV and hitting the road.
He thought I was kidding.
You know, for all the talk about how the Republicans need to tack Left to gain more support, California (probably) enacted the Constitutional ban on gay marriage. This while going heavily for Obama. And Obama tacked Right in his campaign. He ran on cutting taxes for the majority of Americans.
In short, even with his massive spending advantage, last night was not a Leftist blowout. Obama doesn't have a mandate for for a radical restructuring of America. We'll see how he governs. I am not particularly hopeful.
If one good thing comes out of this it will be that this campaign killed off the public financing of campaigns. After last night, why would any candidate tie his or her hands like that? Rejecting public financing certainly didn't hurt Obama's campaign.
And being able to out spend his opponent a gajillion to one won it for him. No, there is no percentage in taking the public financing.
...yeah, and while we're being realistic, who the heck cares what country those campaign donations come from?
grumble grumble grumble....
(that's what everybody is hearing from me)
Hey all y'all - I sure hope no one loses their job and as for being proud of electing our first Black American President, I take no special pride in that fact because he's the least qualified POTUS-Elect in the history of our Nation and the Most Liberal of all.
Had the Dems run a qualified Black Man and a less liberal one, then maybe I'd take pride in that.
But right now I feel that America - my country - has sold itself to the highest bidder - Obama broke his written pledge to take Public Financing and outspent McCain nearly 7-1; that's absolutely NOTHING to take any pride in at all.
Especially because Obama is the FIRST Presidential Candidate to not take Public Financing, Democrat or Republican in over 20 years - forget finance reform; as I said, America has shown that she is not the country I fought for, nor my father, grand-father and back to the French and Indian Wars. She sold herself yesterday to the highest bidder. That is something to be ASHAMED of, not proud of.
LOL,Unfortunately there will be no investigation now. Voter fraud, ACORN, bad donation are in the free and clear for years to come.
Stand behind your President, the one who sits with terrorists. meh
Joe! 
...if ever.
Hey {littleoldlady} when you and talloldman hit the road in your RV, I sure hope you'll head down our way to say "Hi!"!
Meh! indeed, akak, meh, indeed.
Campaign finance laws are for the weak Republicans. Look at the pass Clinton got on taking money from China. So what if some of Obama's donations came from Hamas or Hizballah? They have as much a right to purchase an American Presidential candidate as any other non-citizen.
{realwest!}
Sure will! The chances of us going somewhere cold are pretty slim.
/in fact, Costa Rico is lookin' pretty good right now...
Iron Fist - Hey 'Bro - you are absolutely correct - but we all individually and collectively need to figuratively slap every Obama supporter we know in the face. Someone you know owns a store and they say they voted for Obama, go to a different store; same with everything else in your life.
I got sorta "nyah, nyah, nyah's" e-mails from 3 former friends last night.
I've e-mailed them this morning and suggested that they expend their e-mail accounts on someone else; I no longer wish to even be acquaintences with anyone who'd vote for Obama.
Polls I was/am following.
President - Obama - I lose
Senate - Dems didn't get filibuster proof 60 - that was all I could hope for on that so I'll call that one a tie
House - Dems expand control by 5 seats - only 5! tie
Prop 8 - Yes as of 6:15am and 93.6% of vote - I win
Murtha - reelected - I lose
Franken - defeated by 762 (out of 2,420,818 votes) with 4129/4130 precincts reporting - I win
Greg Curtis (local guy) - defeated - I win
3 wins
2 loses
2 tie
Assigning a point system to the relevance of those elections would yield a much more pessimistic outcome for me and would represent my true feelings.
Murtha - reelected
I've decided that some of us Pennsylvanians are masochists.
/I miss spellcheck!
"LOL,Unfortunately there will be no investigation now. Voter fraud, ACORN, bad donation are in the free and clear for years to come."
Not true, Republican voter fraud will be punished by death.
Realwest,
Well said. I always thought that JC Watts would be the first black American President. It didn't work out that way. The question is where do we go from here? It is going to be a bleak four years. We have to hold the Republican's feet to the fire and make them resist Obama. I'm real afraid that the Republicans will just go along to get along in the name of "bi-partisanship".
Feh.
"I'm real afraid that the Republicans will just go along to get along in the name of "bi-partisanship"."
Reading that made me realize that the whole "oppose Obama and you're a racist" thing isn't going to hold up when he's president. People will be forced to defend his socialist policies.
See y'all later, folks!
/I can't believe they already passed the Fairness Doctrine overnight!
//Oh, LGF! I miss you! :-(
Bosforus,
I didn't even think of it that way, but you are right. It's hard to claim that "the Man" is holding you down when you are the friggin' President of the United States. I don't care about the color of Obama's skin, it's the color of his policies that matter to me.
And those policies are Red all the way through.
Anyone here?
What's up with LGF? Is it just me?
Iron Fist,
Yep, "affirmative action" only gets you the job. It doesn't help you keep it. Without results you're toast! Without his barrier of white guilt he's toast! You can't make a bad decision and then expect people to cover for you by saying "but he's black!".
Realwest,
You sound very disheartened. I'll tell you what I told my husband last night. Many of us DID understand what was at stake in this election but, alas, many did not. What's more, they didn't know enough to even care. I don't think the US took a turn to the left because of what thinking people chose. It took that turn because of so many completely lazy/clueless voters who had no idea what they were doing but allowed themselves to be led by their noses by an agenda driven and, I maintain, traitorous MSM. It's been a long process in this country, but when we have murderers like Ayers in positions where they are respected educators who can set educational policy and therby brainwash our children, where we have instituitions of higher learning turning out the robots we call journalists who blindly follow an agenda and viciously attacks anyone who has the temerity to
question the prevailing wisdom and scientists who would fall in step with flat earthers if it meant a bottomless source of continuing grants, etc., we can't be surprised at this election. WE MUST WORK HARD to maintain an optimism and faith in our country that we will be able to get it back on the right track. Gee, I meant to cheer you up...I don't think I succeeded in my mission.
Breaking: Recount in Franken/Coleman race
"Republican Sen. Norm Coleman finished ahead of Democrat Al Franken early Wednesday in the final vote count, but his 571-vote margin falls within the state's mandatory recount law. That law requires a recount any time the margin between the top two candidates is less than one-half of one percent."
http://elections.foxnews.com/200...ta-senate-race/
Hey {littleoldlady} they haven't passed the Fairness Doctrine yet; LGF is just, I'm assuming, overwhelmed with visitors, but I do expect that IF the fairness doctrine is enacted, LGF will wind up being "cancelled" - although who knows - so many Dem congresscritters own so many parts of so many businesses that maybe they don't want to lose money on Air America or on Kos, ya know?
That or we'll just have to have LGF or an LGF clone set up offshore somewhere, sorta like Pirate Radio.
I'm NOT GIVING UP AND I MOST ASSUREDLY AIN'T GONNA BACK DOWN.
Speakin of which:http://www.imeem.com/jdiamond/music/
4oqF4X57/tom_petty_i_wont_back_down/
and Toin them speakers UP!
How the hell did LGF Fallback wind up being The Outraged Spleen of Zion?
(see top of page)?!
Let's try that link again:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...61960946371248/
Is Babba still involved with this site?
I can't believe the results from my little town. 50-50 split between Obama and McCain. We used to be 90% hard-core Republican. One of the wealthiest towns in the wealthiest counties in the state. Something's happened here and I don't know what it is.
PA voting system needs an overhaul. I think major fraud occurs.
rw- Babba used to keep Fallback going when zombie was unable to; so I assume Urban Infidel simply put this up to go to her blog's comments section.
Interesting data:
2004
Bush + Kerry votes = 123,068,715
Bush won by 4.07%
2008
Obama + McCain votes = 118,400,000
Obama winning by 6.08%
Two questions:
1) Where's the predicted landslide?
2) Where's the record turnout?
Bush got more votes in 2004 than Obama!
Obama only got 1% more of the vote than Bush in 2004!
Bwahaha, it's not over, folks! Don't tell the media.
Muthaship still blogglewonky?
I can't believe that LGF is still unreachable - maybe there are so many registered LGFer's that everyone's trying to get on and overwhelmed the site or if LGF is suffering a DOS attack?
rw,
I would have thought that the server problems it was having would have completely disappeared today. Who knows?
bosforus
That's an interesting point. Did Republicans who voted in the last election stay home?
I'm on the phone with Pink Freud, and we think perhaps Charles took it down for a rest, so he could get a good night's sleep.
Pink is telling me things got somewhat nasty last night.
http://www.humanevents.com/artic...le.php?
id=29356
This is how I feel. The Republicans were too interested in making nice with the Democrats. While the Democrats had no intention of making nice with the Republicans. You'd think we'd learn, but I see no evidence of that happening. In the name of "bi-partisianship", the Republicans are going to sell out the Party base again.
We'll see how that works for them.
LGF still down.
It's like I woke up and the house was gone.
bosforus - respectfully by today's "modern" standards Obama DID win in a landslide,no matter how good a face we try to put on it. He won with a 6+ point margin - it was a landslide.
As for the discrepancy in the number of total votes I can only assume that Evangelicals wanted nothing to do with McCain, Palin notwithstanding.
The fact is that LOTS of folks stayed home and didn't vote - see,e.g., Killgore Trout - although he is an atheist not an evangelical, but evangelicals put Bush over the top in both 2000 and 2004.
I think a rebrand is in order, ixnay on the Republican eh.
Conservative Cantor for POTUS 2012?
Get the new letterhead now.
Hey {reine.de.tout} I don't even recognize the name Pink Frued but things got HOT last night and Charles did delete a number of commments but I don't think that's why LGF is totally down this morning.
FWIW, I posted to Charles last night to PLEASE throw up one extra overnight thread - which he obviously ignored and I e-mailed him about an hour ago with no response yet and LGF is still down - I do suspect a DOS attack, maybe from Kos.
"but evangelicals put Bush over the top in both 2000 and 2004."
They're an embarrassment to the party. Better off without them. We'll attract the "moderate moonbats" now.
Right?
I still don't understand how LGF Fallback comments wound up at The Outraged Spleen of Zion (Babba Zee's site) comments section.
Realwest, its me! You've can't have forgotten me already!
I spoke with a gun dealer friend this morning (today I finally get serious about this) ... his advice: the price of guns will double overnight, buy soon.
Realwest,
It is my understanding that Babba Zee was the one who first got LGFFallback up and running. It's probably just a cut-and-paste error.
"respectfully by today's "modern" standards Obama DID win in a landslide" Yeah, perhaps I'm focusing too much on the numbers and looking at them with my engineering brain as opposed to the interpretation of what those numbers could mean. I'm just not too impressed with the expectation vs. his actual victory.
Well, I wish Obama lots of luck. He's going to need it. I wish the nation lots of luck, because we're going to need it even more.
I hope that Obama's supporters are right and that their measure of the man finds reason to hope that he is up to the task. I think that they've taken a vacation from history.
It wont take long to see what path Obama takes, and if he starts imposing his leftist agenda from the outset, 2010 will be upon us in short order. It's also time for the GOP to get its house in order and hone its message.
McCain's economic policy was a muddled mess. That didn't help when the top concern of Americans was the economy. Fiscal responsibility should be the hallmark of the GOP. Make it happen.
realwest
She probably, for security purposes, used her own haloscan account to be able to block the trolls that would spam comments here.
flannelled fool - I don't recognize your nic - have y'all changed it recently? I do recognize the reference to Zombie's suggestion that we at LGF jettison some old time religious right folks in the hope of attracting some "moderate" moonbats, to which I replied "A moderate moonbat
is still a moonbat and I don't want to see good folks "jettisoned" from LGF for ANY moonbats.
I wasn't the only one posting that kinda stuff, but I think that's what made zombie leave that night in a huff.
Realwest,
I'm sure I've seen this picture on Fallback before.
Pink,
Yeah, the demand for guns is going to go through the roof. Also ammunition, spare magazines, and other things that keep a firearm healthy and happy.
I still wish I had the six grand to drop on that semi-automatic PKM. It'd be a gopod investment. They are going to do nothing but gain value. Unfortunately, no money. It's the story of my life.
As for the turnout issue, it's apparent that the GOP simply didn't have the ground game to compete. McCain lost nearly 7 million votes from Bush's 2004 tally. That's pretty significant. He clearly couldn't hold his own, and there were quite a few defections from McCain to Obama.
The PUMA vote never materialized, and hope and change was what Americans wanted. But this wasn't some tidal wave of new voters - it was more of the same. McCain simply couldn't energize people the same way Obama could.
Pink Freud - must be having another senior moment - sorry, but I don't recognize your nic!
If y'all want to e-mail me feel free to - and ya don't even have to hold off on the Old Man type comments!
LOL!
oy fuck Zombie
lawhawk,
I think most of McCain's campaign was a muddled mess, not just his economic positions. He spent too much time trying to figure out a middle ground that would be acceptable to many rather than getting in touch with his own values and defining a policy from there.
Hey lawhawk - good morning! Yep, Fox news said last night that 73% of voters either received phone calls or in-person canvassing from Obama; McCain only got 37% out.
As I've said above and before, pubic financing is now in the toilet - Obama outspent McCain by nearly 7-1; that'll buy a lot of "volunteers" and doesn't even include his $800,000 taxpayer funded grant to ACORN.
America was for sale - and after last night probably always will be - and last night Obama was the highest bidder.
Wednesday, Nov 5th --
Is this active?
Anyone here?
Looks like it.
What's up with the mother site?
Realwest, will do, as soon as I can either a) find your addy in my email addybook in my old computer, or b) see your nick blue once lgf is back up.
Lawhawk,
McCain certainly didn't fire me up, but Palin did. Still, it looks to me like the base just didn't turn out for McCain. That can't have come as a major surprise. McCain has spent a lot of years pissing in the face of the base. It really is no mystery why the base doesn't love him.
The question is where do we go from here. At least the Democrats didn't get their 60 votes in the Senate. Joe Lieberman had a pice out earlier this week worrying about what a disaster that would be.
Akak:
Just take it somewhere else, ok? I don't need nor want that kinda shit in my face this morning, especially here.
LGF is still down and I'm now starting to believe it is a DOS attack - probably from Kos.
And I just have to say this to get it off my chest - though originally excited for Palin, I was in no way impressed by her and am relieved that she will not be the vice-president. I hope she doesn't gain support for 2012.
/ducking/
Well, this isn't a shock. The Palestinian terrorists celebrated Obama's victory by firing kassams and mortars at Israel.
lawhawk,
Let's hope israel returns the celebration 10 fold
realwest
We occasionally e-mail each other under a different nic and name. I remember your opposition at the time. I predicted (around that time, not sure which thread) a President Obama if the fight became divisive. Razor thin margins in a few states is all that decides Presidential elections nowadays. For any group to be maligned in any fashion, then expect them to leap out of bed on election day, is pretty foolish. Of course I'll rag on the Fred Phelps types, but if someone wants to believe the earth is 10k years old and still be a Republican? Okay by me.
I think that the Media went after Palin with more ferocity than they have ever gone after a candidate before. That gave her a difficult row to hoe keeping looking like Presidential material. There's no question that she is more qualified than Biden ever will be.
Imagine how Biden or Obama would have withered in the light of the media had the media tried to destroy them like they did Palin.
Iron Fist - 'Bro you're probably right about the base, but that is, quite frankly, where the Republican Party is going to have to make a break.
The same base didn't turn out in 2006 and we got a big Dem Majority in Congress and this time the base didn't turn out and we got a BIGGER majority and a loser for POTUS - I'm tired of the "base" causing us to lose elections - it is the Republican Party, NOT the Conservative Party. And trust me on this, if we had run a more conservative candidate this year we'd have lost even more seats in the House and the Senate.
Americans - by a larger majority - clearly went Center Left in Congress, the White House, Govenors' races and in local State legislatures. If we'd pulled a Goldwater with our candidate, then we'd have lost even worse than we did.
It's curious to see how Obama uses Biden once they're in office. Will Biden assume a role akin to Cheney, or will he disappear into the woodwork? I think it's going to be the latter.
screw off Pink Freud, really don't care what you need or think I should say!
Kicking someone off here or LGF due to their religion, is pretty nasty shit and worthy of response.
I will refrain now though, due to the likes of you and Zombie & not wanting to argue because there really is no argument when it comes to this issue.
bosforus,
I, too, was underwhelmed with Palin. I wonder how much of that was due to the abysmal way the McCain campaign handled her.
It's curious to see how Obama uses Biden once they're in office. Will Biden assume a role akin to Cheney, or will he disappear into the woodwork? I think it's going to be the latter.
lawhawk | Homepage | 11.05.08 - 11:27 am | #
Looking for the upding button, I am LOL.
I'm not sure about that realwest. I think the message got muddled. In fact, McCain had no message on the economy. That resonated (or more accurately - didn't resonate) with the base.
Stick with fiscal responsibility and national defense. All the other issues really are fluff.
flannelled fool - Well if we did e-mail each other, can ya try to dig up my e-mail from somewhere?! LOL!
Arrggh...I lurk at LGF all the time and have only posted a few times. And now it is down...
Just wanted to check in with you lizards. Here is what I woke up to:
1. Magic Unicorn in backyard
2. Mortgage paid in full.
3. Gas tank was filled by some dude in a Che t-shirt.
4. Dogs and cats can now use the bathroom. No more litterbox or rushing home to let the dogs out!
5. Sky is a much deeper blue. More blue than my now more blue state of CT.
But...my Zionist check did not arrive today. Is that expected?
With a Dem president and Dem congress, they can't hide behind Republicans any more. Wonder who is to be blamed for everything on earth now that Bush is about to leave as the Dem whipping boy?
rw in sandiego,
Someone with her "lack of white house experience" and with so much of her personal life almost begging to be attacked she would have had to have been flawless. No interview gaffes. No coaching from the McCain campaign. Clear, concise, unwavering. I suppose I don't hold it against her. It just wasn't in the cards for her, I guess.
Lawhawk - we had 8 years of deficit spending under Bush - yes in part because of Katrina and in part because of Iraq, but any Republican would have had to distance himself from Bush since MOST of the country was fed up with him. NOT ME, but something over 70% were. McCain did the best he could - trying to counter Hope and Change with some real plans (not necessarily great plans, but real ones) for the economy; Obama still hasn't than tax, tax and more taxes until our recession turns into a depression which of course the Dems and the MSM - sorry for the redundancy there - will blame Bush for it.
I'm just still in shock that McCain NEVER used the line that Bush kept us safe from another 9/11.
Realwest,
Then we're hosed. We'll never be able to get to the Left of the Democratic Socialist Party. Never. The more we compromise, the more we lose from the base, and those are votes that you can't make up from the middle.
In Presidential politics, you have to hold the base, and draw from the middle. The Republicans never really respected their base. It is no surprise that they aren't enthusiastic about going to vote for them.
America is a Center Right country. Obama ran to the Right, promising tax cuts for 95% of the people. In 2006 there were many Democrats that ran to the Right on issues like gun control. When the Republicans are treating their base like it was something to be ashamed of, it is no wonder that some of them hold their nose and vote for the Democrat. It doesn't really take much, with the margins as thin as they've been for the last 20 years.
seekeroftruth
*up-ding*!
seekeroftruth...They still blame Reagan for the economy today. Expect them to blame Chimpybushitler in 2010.
seekeroftruth,
I think they'll employ Bush as a scapegoat for anything less than perfect for as long as they can get away with it...and with the connivance of the media that may take us through the first two years.
seekeroftruth
Oh, the "One" is going to be giving major speeches for the next four years about "the failed policies of my predecessor" - don't choose the word "predecessor" as the drinking word. I don't think Intergalactic Health Care will cover self-inflicted liver damage.
realwest,
"McCain did the best he could"
At the voting booth I came to the realization that McCain should have distanced himself even farther from Bush. Much farther and almost with animosity.
Obama - "did I say 95% will get a tax cut? No, no - I meant, uh, 95% of you will get a tax increase."
I think we would have done better with a Romney/Palin ticket. Romney would not have to defend the "Voted with Bush 90% of the time nonsense."
Stock market is tanking.
Frogmarch,
Yeah, Obama ran to the Right on taxes, but I don't think he will govern there. The first 100 days of his administration may prove, um, educational. It's already too late for buyer's remorse to kick in.
Then is seems like that's an angle for Republicans - pound the buck starts at the top for everything Obama and the Dems mess up. Hope the Republicans are up to the task. And that if they do stand up, that our side doesn't cut them down for not being nice or taking the high road.
Geez, I have been trying to get on LGF for 2 hours now. I see Google has a picture of Obama on their search engine welcoming their new socialist overlords. Fuck you Google.
Abbey,
But Romney/Palin would have turned into Mormon-Polygamist/Creationist-Redneck.
"Stock market is tanking." - frogmarch
I was secretly hoping for a 2000 pt drop when I went to bed last night (with a correction tomorrow of course).
ack - pimf - or NOT taking the high road.
The question that remains to be answered in the coming months is will a President Obama be able to shed the hard left ideology he has embraced his entire life and listen to economic advisers warning him of the coming train wreck his policies will create or will he stumble headfirst into a world-wide economic collapse? The American economy is now between Barack and a hard place.
Seekeroftruth,
Our mission, if we choose to accept it, is to obstruct the Obama Administration as much as possible. That starts with judges. We shouldremember that it was Democrats who first filibustered a judicial appointment.
We should return the favor in spades.
bosforus - I think that may have subsided by the convention. Plus it would have been a plus in CO and maybe NV. Not sure about Mormon population in NV though.
But it is a valid concern.
Hey Iron Fist - you have to understand one thing - our approximately 7 million voter "base" pisses off "Centrist" voters enormously - I'm talking about the idiots who blamed 9/11 on homosexuals, and the like. We are indeed hosed and I think we just won't win ANY more major elections if the "base" continues to stay home - (frankly I'm more pissed off at the BASE because THEY enabled Obama and the Dems to win BIG rather than vote McCain and try to run a more conservative candidate in 2012).
Well that's two elections in a row that the "base" refused to vote so as to teach Republicans a lesson and we now have, AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE BASE, the most underqualified, socialist if not communist President elect than I could have imagined two years ago, and he has an enormous majority in both houses of Congress.
Yeah, the base sure taught us a lesson.
Seekeroftruth - *upding*
Has LGF been down all night?
PIMF - Iron Fist - - *upding*
sorry
Iron Fist - you said to Frogmarch that "Yeah, Obama ran to the Right on taxes, but I don't think he will govern there."
He won't govern there and he didn't run to the right; class warfare and taxing the "rich" is not a right wing approach.
Ty Pre Boomer and Abbey
Flanneled fool,
You've got it. Obama has been too murkey for any of us to predict with certainty what he is going to be like. Will he be Obama the Tax-Cutter, or Santa Obama the Redistributor? I dunno.
He's said he intends to bankrupt the coal industry. Will he follow through? Whatever Obama does, I expect him to leave a big mark on the country. I am, I must confess, rather afraid of where we are going.
Killgore
It was approaching 2000 comments when it died about 8 east coast time.
LOL Abbey I take back that ty! lol
Abbey, the Mormon population in NV is quite large.
Check out these stats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The...ship_statistics
Killgore - I don't know about all night, but it's been down all of my morning.
Hopefully, all it is is Charles taking a break.
seekeroftruth - LOL!
Flanneled fool,
It will be very interesting to see what Obama does.
Killgore,
"It will be very interesting to see what Obama does."
It will perhaps be more consequential/interesting what the world does during Obama's first term.
Realwest,
Obama ran on a promise to cut taxes for 95% of the populace. That is a right-wing position.
As far as the base pissing off the Centerists, well, the centerists piss off the base. It is an either or question. The Republicans don't even go after the low hanging fruit. They say all the right things, but they don't actually do anything when they are elected. They are trying to be too many things at once.
Sometimes the tent is just too big. The Republicans need to decide if they are going to be a Party of the Right, or if they are going to be the "me too" party on the squishy Left.
I think they'll win more elections by being more active on the Partisan Right.
KT
"It will be very interesting to see what Obama does."
Two choices:
1. The right and appropriate thing which will be 180 degrees away from what the people elected him to do. The economy will return to prosperity.
2. The popular thing, which will cause the economy to tank, but he'll give great speeches, breathlessly reported in the press, about the failures of his predecessor.
bosforus,
That too. I expect the rest of the world to carry on as usual. Or enemies however, are going to test the waters.
bosforus - I am shocked by the 500,000-1,000,000 in California. We could have taken that state!!
/
Flanneled fool,
I think a lot of people are going to be shocked to find that, for tax purposes under an Obama Administration, they are rich. Especially people who live in the large urban areas where the cost of living is so astronomical.
But hey, paying high taxes is how the Left define Patriotism.
I'm just coming up on my first anniversary as a lizard and don't know if he would, but if Charles is taking a break, I'll not object. Lord knows, he's earned it -- hand at the tiller, day after day.
Dow down 189 is meaningless.
Iron Fist,
You sound as selfish as McCain/Palin. Paying taxes IS true patriotism. Not serving your country.
/CHANGE!
Hmm. It seems a little iffy, but I have an LGF page now.
Iron Fist
I was kinda shocked recently when I looked at the value of my real estate and mortgage interest deduction vs. the "standard deduction" which is being bumped up year after year. The value of a home as a tax shelter is falling through the floor. The Dems have, for years, talked about eliminating the mortgage interest deduction. They've just about done that through the "bump" and the ATM.
LGF is up.....whew.
seekeroftruth,
It;s up but still very slow.
Iron Fist- (sorry for the delay)
I don't think Obama will govern to the righ, either. He's a Marxist.
Democrats have learned to swing to the middle/right to get elected. The electorate stupidly buys it.
Democrats live to tax and spend. They live to take away liberty.
Chuck Schumer(D-NY) is now equating pornography with free speech. & He is insisting they both must be limited.
Iron Fist - maybe the Republicans are trying to create too big a tent, but ya know it's worked for the fucking Dems.
And if you stay home and don't vote when a socialist/communist is running for POTUS, regardless of the reason, then I really don't want the support of that base.
Let 'em go form a Religious Right Party or a Conservative Party - both have been and will continue to be rejected OVERWHELMINGLY at the polls.
See, e.g., Barry Goldwater - the last TRUE conservative to run, for whom I voted too. I LOVED Ronald Reagan but he was not a real conservative - look at the deficits under his watch if you don't believe me.
(sigh. I don't want to fight with you Brother, but that 7 million "base" isn't really a "base" if it stays home in the face of a threat such as Obama).
Abbey,
Ha ha, 6,125,805 vs. 3,693,865. I'd love to see the Mormon breakdown of R vs. D in that state.
LGF not working for me.
Check out
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008...ults/president/
The "vote by age" pretty much tells us where America's heading. History will repeat.
I get the front page but can't access comments.
Ok - got it to load but it took a long time and now I doubt posting will work.
Wonder what is going on?
realwest
"but that 7 million "base" isn't really a "base" if it stays home in the face of a threat such as Obama"
It's kinda conjecture what part of the "base" stayed home yesterday. Is there any proof yet it was evangelicals v. the left leaning RINOs that decided they were cool with either candidate?
I haven't seen any data yet.
bosforus,
No kidding. Probably 75% dem.
My wife (Abbey is one of the dogs names, not mine - I panicked during open reg and I knew Beagle was already taken)made a funny comment this morning. She said "Wow, Califorina was 60%-40%." And then realized so was CT. Then commented that we should probably move out of state.
I heard on radio on my way home from voting that people in Stanislaus county, where I am, were complaining their paper ballots were already marked for Obama. Who said cheaters never win?
bosforus,
Hopefully the youth vote will change once they start paying taxes. I think payroll deductions for all taxes should be removed. If everyone had to pay each qtr, they would actually realized how much they pay.
One last thought. I'm sure everyone has at some time heard of a firefighter that started a fire only to take credit for putting it out? What do the remaining Republicans in the House and Senate do when the monumental spending bills start flying up for vote? Try to kill them or restrict the damage, or let the fires start burning so in 2010 they can say, "We told you so"?
Bye everyone. Heading out now. Hopefully the hamsters are rested and LGF will be back up soon.
Getting ready to work in Obamaoverlords salt mines come January.
Well LGF is up,sorta. Can't seem to post comments very easily and in fact there were less than 4,000 folks on line at the time.
I understand that dKos is traditionally more political than LGF but I must say that dKos did what they did the right way. They rallied people into action at local levels with a unified message and found the golden candidate. We Republicans, on the other hand...
Well now LGF is down again. Are we having fun yet?
hey, everyone left fallback? lgf seems as down as ever.
I'm still halfway here. I had to go work. Wah.
ha ha, understood.
Nope LGF is DOWN AGAIN. Last time I checked there were fewer than 4,000 visitors on line, too.
Tried to post something and lost LGF altogether.
Well LGF was up for a few minutes. I got the spinning wheel of death when I tried to get new comments.
just got in lgf.
2900 online
6,170,398 comments?!
Didn't we just get past the 6,000,000 mark?
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