OUTRAGED SPLEEN OF ZION
BABBA Thank you for this MUTHALOAD of info.
Mom, I have a million times more than this
I dont even know how to slog through it at this point I am exhausted
Many of those names are very misleading, especially when they use Christian. They sound so bland and innocent. This is very disturbing.
Oh my gosh girl!
Have you even slept recently ? What a monumental amount of detecting you have done here ! I just got home from work, I am going to fix myself a big sandwich, then come back to the computer screen and settle in for a good read.
Mama Winger
BabbaZee!!!
Excellent work!
Turning on the light is one thing, stomping all the roaches before they find cover is another. Great start though.
I have so much of this I could post on it alone for days on end
Great post!
I want to hug the BabbaZee!
Wow.
That's all I can say. You go girl!
Good work, Babba Zee!
TY BabbaZee.
JUST
TY,
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Okay. So my sandwich is gone and I have read most, but not all of the links here.
It seems to me that this DeWinter guy has a history going back about 30 years. This history tells a tale of thuggery, bullying, Nazi sympathy and racist ideology.
I do not see any break in this pattern, just a mere shifting of rhetoric - what some call 're-framing'. Packaging an idea
so that it is more marketable.
Are we in the anti-jihad movement a
part of that packaging?
I am not saying that people cannot change. Many of us are not what we
were 10, 20, 30 years ago. But most of us, if we have made a dramatic shift in our ideology, have at some point repudiated the ideas we might have once espoused, when we see that they are in error.
I don't see any remorse or renunciation here, so I can only assume that there is none.
BabbaZee digs (deep) so I don't have to.
Now much learning/reading to be done.
Hats off to you.
And many thanks.
Great work, BabbaZee!
Thanks for putting all of this together!
An outstanding survey with solid research, BabbaZee.
You are a treasure trove of information.
I thank you very, very much for performing this critically necessary and invaluable service. Your fine and well-grounded work on this issue can only aid in persuading the fence-sitters, the only ones that can be saved, to come down on the side of decency, dignity and integrity in this debate. Those firmly on the other side already know by now what kind of racists they are bedding down with, and either don't care about, or else even share, their chosen racist allies' foul and execrable proclivities.
I am awaiting your followups with great anticipation.
God bless you, BabbaZee.
This has to be some of your BEST work ever!!
Can't begin to find the words how special you are ; -)
Shabbat Shalom.
May G-d bless and keep you within his embrace.....
{babbazee} thank you
You go, Babba!
Majorly well done.
Really looking forward to part II.
Comes the Sabbath . . . get some rest.
Thanks Babba, but she is very right, there is much much more. For instance you see the YAfF logo appearing in a tribute film to white power and nationalist groups that Render linked in comments at LGF.
You see a cartoon rat with an Odin's cross armband in the 3/05 issue of VB's youth mazazine.
Well I could go on and on as well, most of the stuff I am finding is being link dumped in VB threads. This weekend I plan to write about this as well. I am not going to dig deep into the past, instead I will use their own recent publications and websites to illustrate with.
{Babbaleh!}
YASHER KOACH! You operative, you! 
--------------------
(Posting this here because I don't know if you'd see it on LGF...)
mama winger,
I read that you feel the need to take a break from LGF. PLEASE MAKE IT A SHORT ONE!
{mama winger!}
I just think it's precious that she still managed to find a way to stick "MFer" in there.
Permit me to add my own "thanks, BabaaZee!" to the mix. Cheers for all of your digging and for sharing the results. (Haven't read all the links, but it's nearly the weekend...)
And kudos on your promotion to LGF Operative!
Oops...and "mea culpa" for my sloppy typing of your name.
[Hangs head]
I am going to go out on a limb. I see semblence to the organized Truether movement. Not the Rosie people, no I mean the attractive young white people you see at every event now.
there is a connection Pat
FATWA ARBUCKLE!
So good to see you
Oh look
poor Chen, who obviously has no where to go, and nothing better to say
how MFing sad
Hi and thanks to everyone else
BBL
I can probably help you with the "Christian" ones, unfortunately. Good job.
Well, all I can say is HURRAH for BabbaZee - girl you've truly researched the ass off of this!
And it was more than worth all of your effort.
I've also noticed a similarity to a great deal of stuff on LGF, so I know you sent a lot of this to Charles as well. Glad to see some of us are united on this.
Maybe you should send a link to this work to Gates of Vienna who are, unfortunately, still in deep denial and no I don't mean the river, either!
Just wonderful work.
Thank you.
General Chen in the house...
Thanks for the work Babba. Very informative and very appreciated
I shall follow this with great interest.
I have conflicting info from sources I trust--so yours will be read and weighed.
IMHO, the EU is and has been a disastrous development for Europeans so terms like 'sovereignty' don't particularly alarm me; I'm encouraged that native Europeans wish to separate from the EU.
We're taught that 'nationalism' is a bad thing because it has led to wars but as an American I'm sure that the 'America-France' renaissance is a positive. I believe with all my mind that the concentrations of power that the Soviet Union and the European Union have enjoyed are antithetical to what I understand as freedom and personal responsibility.
For a little more on this see my newest blog http://painethepamphleteer.blogs...eu-
borders.html
The pendulem swings.
Let's make the middle hold.
Babba, I have an idea from looking at your material but I don`t have a clue how to go about it. Notice the rune insignia used by Vlaams. Very obscure, but I recognized it instantly, the average European or American wouldn`t.In WW2 foreign sympathizers of Nazis by law couldn`t join the German army, but they could form national units in the Waffen(armed) SS. Each unit had a symbol, which sometimes went thru many changes, which is something akin to the shoulder patches US soldiers wear. They were also painted on equipment for unit identification.Western European Nazi volunteers used a lot of runic type symbols.This is what I saw in your long video,they`re still using a symbol that might seem innocuous to the public, but is really the same as a swastika in its code word type meaning.Here`s the deal; I`d like to see if photos are available of any public political gatherings( preferably any of the nationalist types) in any European country showing obscure symbols. I might be able to identify wolfs in sheeps clothing. I have a 3 volume reference set(very rare and expensive) showing thousands of these symbols, mostly regular German armed forces, but hundreds were of these foreign nazis. The allies used these kind of references to identify units and get an idea of their strength.I`m thinking some of these might show up at some neo-Nazi gatherings, knowing the public wouldn`t have a clue, but these type guys like to hang on this type stuff. Let me know if you see any photos , any European gathering with odd symbols, I just might be able ti identify them.I think you`ll get my Email addy with this. Sorry for the length. Sincerely, JHW
Thank you very much for this post.
It had always troubled me that Richard Spencer's home is at The American Conservative; rubbing elbows with WNers in the Taft Club makes it worse.
He has written some fine material; "The Truth About Muhammad" in particular should have made him an honorary LGF operative, if he were not in bed with Buchanan et al.
I suspect that Spencer thinks of himself as a Christian Identity thinker, but in its literal sense as having a Christian identity disassociated with race. c.f. his book "Religion of Peace: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't". He hangs around with the "Christian Identity" WNers because he believes, like Christ, that he can convert them to righteousness.
What Spencer needs to learn is that (1) he is not Christ and (2) absent Christ, he might be able to meet these guys at a coffee house and persuade them privately; but until they ARE persuaded, lending his name to them is only going to grant legitimacy to them as they now are.
And as they now are, they are evil, and evil will inevitably stab you in the back. That is because it is easy for evil people to side with each other for expediency's sake. (Duh!) c.f., Stalin betraying us in 1939; Saddam invading Kuwait and on and on.
Great post. Keep up the good work. Buchanan, Rockwell, Paul and the others are trash. Unfortunately, once we start to plainly talk about the connecting thread it will get very ugly.
Congratulations on the promotion.
T.P.
turn
YES the EU is a disaster
and I understand deeply the situation Europeans are facing
this is exactly how Hitler convinced the "nice" people.
Remember that. They do.
Lucky for me I am an armed American and I dont have to make that kind of choice ...yet
However I refuse to trade one set of fascists for another and give them political cover just becasue I agree with 90% of what they say.
THAT 10% THAT THEY HIDE IS A KILLER
There is ZERO difference between these guys, the hard left, and the Jihadists , intent-wise and behaviorally at a very basic level
they are thugs, they are power hungry lunatics
Their rhetoric is the only difference betwen themselves and the hard left
that and the so called "values" they espouse.
But those "values" only apply "to their own kind"
POWER TO THE CORRECT PEOPLE!
My Jew ass does not ride shotgun for the likes of them
not now
not ever
Shalom David
Thanks for coming by
Richard B. Spencer of TAFT is not the same person as
Robert Spencer
I cant find a link and I do not think they are even related
and Robert Spencer has begun to distance himself from the Vlaams from what I understand as of today
Debbie
YES
it is very disturbing indeed and the WN people hide behind "Christianity" ALOT
I have no doubt that will be avenged one day
and not by the hand of man
ha
JHW
Thank you!
I will be sending you a mail
I have already seen this RUNE thing in action
TURN
terms like sovereignty didn't alarm me either till I spent 10 days in White Power Land
Dont be Shtoopid
Be a Shmatty
come and join
der Nazi party!
I very much need to read about your experience of 10 days in 'white power land'. What, where, when, etc.
It's a given that--as a freedom loving man--I'm obliged to hate and fight anything resembling nazism, fascism and any other ism that places limits on aspiration and human growth.
At the same time I have to ask is it a surprise that a movement like this might grow in response to the 'slammi invasion. Especially at the center of the complicit EU's power base. Many 'nice' people may come to align themselves with the only movement that seeks to fight back.
The results of the 2007 9/11 protests in Brussels are graphic.
Perhaps only once in history did a civil war occur between the established middle and the breakaway--and that was territorial more than ideological.
Europe's road can only lead to civil war. There may be many players.
My focus is more immediately upon the threats to Israel mostly leading back to Iran's ambitions for apocalypse/12th Imam inanity.
But keep up the good work. I want to know and understand more.
Terribly sorry!
I AM Flemish, I LIVE in this country, I FOLLOW the politics. I KNOW what it is all about.
What you posted here is an enormous pile of bullshit, delivered by de political opponents of the Vlaams Belang.
Especially from those who oppose the secessionist part of their program.
Clearly you have a total lack of indepth knowledge about the political landscape in Belgium.
No one is denying that part of the Flemish Movement collaborated with the Germans sixty-five years ago.
However: many of the Walloons collaborated even more. Only: THEY destroyed their files of deported jews, Flemish did NOT.
Please cut the bullshit and lets work for our common goal: against the islamization of Europe.
And otherwise: make first an indepth study about the Flemish movement in this country over the past 175 years. And talk then!
BabbaZee,
Is it possible that you could find some pictures of the different runes and symbols of all these questionable groups. Maybe you could post them here on your blog.
You know, something like all the secretive satanic symbols that identify some of the satanic groups.
All these pervs seem to have the need to be able to identify themselves to each other with their symbols.
CIRCE
I did not spend 10 days 15 hours a day translating Dutch White Supremacist board chatter and wading through all the connections between the VLAAMS and that world for nothing
I do not and will not provide political cover for these guys
sorry if that does not suit your agenda
I know all about the 9/11 protest
I felt great empathy to them at that time
Sadly I know now that is an old MO of theirs
for years they have been playing that bullshit they love it
they are JUST LIKE THE COMMIES ON THE LEFT SAME TACTICS
It's all fucking theater to them
they WANTED TO GET ARRESTED
IT IS ALL ABOUT MAKING NICE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THEM
THEY ARE BRANDING
THEY LOVE Islamization
because it gives them the opportunity to hide behind legit patriotic people who only want to preserve their own way of life and they can form their rhetoric to sound exactly palatable.
WE GIVE THEM PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY
They are USING that situation to GAIN POWER
they could give a shit about ME
the MONGREL JEW
who
when the Muslims are cleaned out becomes their next problem
but no problem
they will politely ask all the Jews left to move to Israel
OR ELSE
wake up and smell the jack boot these guys are full of shit.
I KNOW how bad it is in Europe
I empathize deeply with that
but that does not change the fact that these are NOT the good guys
ally with them at your own peril
unless of course you are WHITE and speak DUTCH only
then you are OK
I WILL NOT LIE FOR THEM NO MATTER HOW BADLY I WANT TO CRUSH ISLAM
I DO NOT TRADE ONE SET OF FASCIST LUNATICS FOR ANOTHER
AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU
Circe
cut the bullshit?
I say the same to you.
CIRCE,
Instead of hollering bullshit, why don't you refute all this intelligently, if you can.
Your being Flemish and living there just doesn't cut it. Liars are in every nation. We're open to truth. Let's see some of your irrefutable evidence.
You say: "make first an indepth study about the Flemish movement in this country over the past 175 years." Well, the study is in full swing, and it won't take us long to get it all figured out. Just don't try to insult our intelligence by pissing on our foot, and telling us it's raining.
Ron
I invited all of them on LGF to refute my evidence long before I made this post also I invited people who are supporting them in private emails
all I got was more complaining and excuses and deflecting and dissembling and crap about Charles and certain idiotic posters on LGF which I had no part in, I was never nasty to or accusatory to anyone and stood up for them all till it became apparent under deep research just WTF is going on here
and then I did speak, in order to save people that I love, whether that will work or not I have no idea.
NOT ONE responded with anything to refute me
NO ONE
they got NOTHING
just more deflection at others, not me, calling names and crying "bullshit" , it's the left, wahhh
I said at the time on LGF
Dont insult my intelligence and try to make me beleive VLAAMS are "reformed"
Man up and come out and say you either agree with VLAAMS and ALL their views OR you don't agree but you are willing to work with them anyway
that I can respect if not agree with
None would take me on or admit either scenario.
Most of them know who these people are.
They just hate Islam and Communism so much that they just don't care.
Grandma always said two wrongs dont make a right.
I will not trade my Commislamist problem for a Neo Nazi problem.
To me all three are the same evil.
Circe
What is that cross in his home?
Ron
re: the runes
yes I should compile a visual symbolic library ,
good thinking
I put it on the list lol
I should have known there would be three.
The whore commie socialist degenerate left,
The blood guzzling beasts of Islam,
And the ravening power mad wolves of the racist right
The whore commie socialist degenerate left,
The blood guzzling beasts of Islam,
And the ravening power mad wolves of the racist right
You're right Babba. To bad they don't know who they're messin' with.
Amen to that Ron
The first and the last....
He comes to divide and to separate
the sword of His mouth cuts both ways
the bundling has begun
Everyone should keep in mind that European people who share the Belangers land and speak FRENCH are not purely "white" eenough for these MFers.
And
To all who claim that "being there" is the argument that flattens the veracity of my research, I would like to remind you that one need not
be a proctologist to spot an asshole.
Excellent and most necessary reporting, BabbaZee!
Babba -
You have always been one of the few people who have, time after time, warned us about the Culture of Death. In the book of Proverbs , it written:
" Understanding is a fountain of life to those who have it, but folly brings punishment to fools."
and
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death."
There indeed are two paths. One leads to life and all it offers us, and one leads to no good place.
I am grateful to you for pointing out once again that bad things can come in pretty packages. Agendas are not always as they first appear. People lie. People hide. I for one would not have probably ever stumbled across this information by myself. Two weeks ago I had no clue.
Wisdom is being able to understand when you are on the bus with bad guys. Courage is getting off before the last stop.
Thanks Babba for detouring the bus.
Thanks BabbaZee for clearing that up. It must have been the caffeine talking.
Apologies to Robert Spencer and all other decent members of the Spencer clan. Maybe they can sue Richard S and force him to change his last name.
I wonder if Charles' head would explode if he saw
these pictures.
Angel of Repose -
I cannot translate the captions to those
pictures. Can you tell me what they say?
Is that DeWinter with the artist film maker who was murdered. Pin Fortuyn?
I would like to know the setting for that if you can tell me, please.
mamawinger,
Altavista translates it as:
Visit house Pim Fortuyn
It's not clear though, who's visiting who's house. But yet, that is the dead filmaker.
The one on the left says "Dewinter commemorate Fortuyn"
yet = yes
...hanging out with his "fascist" buddies, I might add.
Heh. Indeed.
Hmmm -
That is interesting. So apparently they were friends? At least acquaintences. But I thought Pim was said to have opposed DeWinter and his group .....
How did you come upon these photos?
Are they posted elsewhere on the internet?
Crap.. here I am trying to be all factual... not filmaker.. dead politician.
I can't remember how I got to that website.. I think it was originally posted in Charles' comments box, linking to that interview he did with, I think, Haaretz. So I navigated from there and found that picture. All those links off to the right lead to alot more pics, btw.
The only place I've seen them is on his website.
Oops. So sorry. Apparently I was thinking of another murder victim when I described Pim Fortuyn. I was confused.
Pim Fortuyn was a politician, formerly a professor, who was assasinated a week or so an election in which he was favored.
"Fortuyn was nine days away from an election from which he was expected to emerge as Dutch prime minister. As he walked out of a radio studio near Amsterdam, a left-wing activist named Volker van der Graaf pumped five bullets into his back. Fortuyn died almost instantly.
The killer would later explain that Fortuyn's views on Muslim immigration made him a "danger." It was the Netherlands's first political assassination in over 300 years.
Fortuyn had been an active politician for only a few months but had already shaken things up dramatically. Before him, Dutch politics had been essentially a closed club whose members shared broadly similar views on major issues and abhorred open conflict.
Then along came Fortuyn, a writer and sociology professor who'd grown increasingly concerned about the rapid Muslim influx into the Netherlands — and about the fact that while the Dutch government lavishly subsidized immigrant families, schools, mosques, and community centers, it made little effort to integrate newcomers and refused to challenge the patriarchal, often brutal values that held sway in Muslim enclaves."
BBC article ......
Good lawd
you don't have to be "friends" to have a photo op in politics
it happens every day
proves jack shit
so he is smiling with PIM of course he makes the point to put that on his site why do you think that is?
This IS politics you know
so silly
that's all ya got?
and why post it here anyway
I didnt say dick about Pim in MY post
pthhh
AOR - LOL!
Anyway....
it is a very interesting point. If you have an account at LGF, you may want to post those and see what people can make of them.
Also Pim is conveniently dead and can not longer make a statement regarding DeWinter's use of those photos in order to prove some sort of recidivism
Surely somewhere Filip also has photos of himself smiling with
Franck Vandenbroucke and Louis Tobbak, but they wont get posted till after they are dead and can not speak in regard to the matter either.
They do not prove or disprove a thing those photos
that is called propaganda
mama you were thinking of van gough
Well dang.. you were originally the one that held out and did the most research, I'm kinda surprised at your attitude now. Politicians who call other politicians "fascist" and hang out with them in their home.. I dunno, I thought I had a pretty good point.
mamawinger,
I HAD an LGF account. That's my reason for putting it here. I was hoping babba would look at with an open mind. Guess not.
Babba -
Are there any quotes that you have seen that give any indication of exactly WHAT Pim thought, one way or the other?
Or are we all playing the Rorshach game again?
Duh?
I have two perfectly good typing fingers.
I will do some digging.
bbiaw
well mama found them interesting anyways... and seriously, neither you or I know if they weren't good friends. You can't dismiss this as pure propaganda so easily. I mean, Charles didn't provide a link where Pim called them that.
Wow
Obviously you got nothing, thus the whine and posing.
I had the most open mind on it on LGF
Go read all my posts from Oct 19 forward, go see all the shit I took while I refused to call anyone anything or take anyones word for it and researched it myself
so don't come here and accuse me of "not having an open mind" please
I was kind and fair to all involved.
But I will not be a useful idiot for these clowns, sorry.
you want to believe they are all apple pie and blue sky, fine.
Not me.
I dont give a crap about the Pim thing mama its deflection
it does not matter WTF Pim thought IMO
Is that a Jongerenfront cross in his study or not?
What I post below is taken from a very recent posting at a Dutch white power site, sorry for the funky translation, I am doing the best I can, as fast as I can:
Philip Dewinter is in the perfect manner preparing. By putting all kinds of dignitaries this type of convention and by round at table gains he still more cover authority and power. VB conducts its anti-islam discourse now therefore also already on world arena. Debie for that is the perfect spokesman as a strong police commissioner against Islam he wins perfectly the compassion and the confidence of all rich and influential Americans and Jews.
Below internally we spread reports by the organisation of the convention:
EUROPEAN ORGANIZATIONS GATHER IN TO OF BRUSSELS ORGANIZE RESISTANCE TO ISLAMIZATION AND SHARIAH October 19, 2007
snip
... Notable are the people of Jewish origin in this little ceremony. It is not difficult to trace how Debie has these contacts. His own sister works for a famous Antwerp diamond company and along the way Debie made contacts with many people in the Jewish community.
I will not post the link here
I will also not be linking to any of those sites at here when I post on this part of the research... what I will do is number the quotes and then make up a sheet of the corresponding links which I will send people privately via request.
They NEED to legitimatize themselves on the backs of nice people who feel like they have no choice
Their damn motto is "NO ALTERNATIVE"
that is exactly how Hitler took power too.
now you don't have to wonder how all those nice Germans fell for it
we are watching it all happen again
I will not be their useful Jewish American idiot.
babba.. I said up above: "you were originally the one that held out and did the most research,"
so I know how much shit you took.. believe me, I followed ALL those conversations. And I apologize.. I shouldn't have wrote that.
Anyways, I just thought it was an interesting photo, one that perhaps shows that he was at least friendly with them, enough to go to, or have them, in their house.
Ok those are genuine words
I also apologize for being sharp
Well - I am back from the (cess)pool. I shoulda worn my dive suit. Yechh
Anyway - it does appear that the two men could have crossed each other's paths a time or two, as they were both involved in the political scene and both were bucking the powers-that-be.
However, it does not seem as if the two highly approved of one another. Fortuyn was openly gay, and seemed as incensed about muslims threatening a liberal lifestyle as anything else. (my interpretation).
DeWinter seemed upset that both the muslims AND the gays were bringing down the culture of his country. He criticised Fortuyn for his lifestyle.
Their aims were parallel in many ways, (limited immigration, increased assimilation, keeping a European culture) but the way they arrived at these views was very different IMO. And DeWinter was definitely seen as the more right wing extreme of the two.
That's what I see - For what it's worth. :0
I saw your conversation with "basnata".. like I said, I've probably read every thread concerning these guys and watched ya'll go back and forth.
We should just leave it at this, as I'm still making up my mind.
Have a good one.
Pim did not have any of the history in the neo Nazi movements that Dewinter has , IMO this is largely why he was seen as less "extreme"
You have a good one too Angle
Sorry again for the auto hammer
Come again!
LOL
I'm sick again Babba. I gotta go soak in a hot tub, seeya later
OK, now I'm gonna have to eat some crow here. After doing just a bit of googling, I've discovered that the guy in the picture with FD is from Pim's party, LPF, named Hilbrand Nawijn, and they met in Pim's house after he had died.
Also, apparently, he DID find the VB noxious. This article pretty much sums it up.
Crow! It's not just for breakfast anymore!
And yes Babba, I'll be back. You've done a stellar job here, and I appreciate it.
There may be others who owe Babba an apology.
pat I would not hold my breath if I were you lol
Angle you are always welcome
{mama}
I'll pray for your health
Soak for me too!
For years Charles and the LGF gang have claimed that "leftists are the true nazis" and there is no such thing as right-wing extremism - now you all have discovered that someone can, in fact, go TOO FAR the right and be TOO nationalistic and TOO xenophobic and you are surprised and shocked, shocked, SHOCKED!
LOL. Hate to say it, but I told you so...
OTOH hand I do give Charles (and you Babba Zee) credit for your diligent journalism regardining all of these slimy European "WN" groups.
To see LGFers refusing to join forces with the BNP/National Front skinhead types is actually somewhat surprising to my Ron-Paul loving, American Conservative-reading, libertarian constitutionalist self, I must admit.
Apparently there are some depths to which event the most vehement neocons will not sink... linking up with people who proclaim Main Kampf as their "Bible" is one of them.
My grudging respect. I honestly didn't think you all had it in you to take a stand on principle in this way.
I guess Americans have more in common with each other, whatever their political leanings, than with Europeans, after all.
"For years Charles and the LGF gang have claimed that "leftists are the true nazis" and there is no such thing as right-wing extremism - now you all have discovered that someone can, in fact, go TOO FAR the right and be TOO nationalistic and TOO xenophobic and you are surprised and shocked, shocked, SHOCKED!"
I remember no such thing and I have been reading LGF since 2001 or so and Babba for more than 2 years.
LOL. I think thats called being disingenuous.
But anyway, I'll repeat the point, just to make sure its not lost: I've read so much xenophobic and frankly chauvinistic material on LGF over the years that I honestly thought you all would embrace the European nationalist/"racialist" far right at the first opportunity - instead, I am pleasantly surprised to discover that I was wrong.
Kudos to Charles for doing the right thing for once.
Lively thread--kudos to all.
Theo van Gogh was the murdered film maker. He collaborated with the courageous Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
OT re eating crow.
http://painethepamphleteer.blogs...-eats-
crow.html
Nite Babba, get some rest.
Mr. Spock,
Perhaps you have not noticed
I am not Charles
and I am not LGF
your comments are.....
Highly Illogical!
To see LGFers refusing to join forces with the BNP/National Front skinhead types is actually somewhat surprising to my Ron-Paul loving, American Conservative-reading, libertarian constitutionalist self, I must admit.
MR SPOCK
Do some research on RON PAUL
THEY LOVE HIM IN THE WHITE POWER WORLD
he is connected to this whole thing
play six degrees of RON PAUL and you end up at VLAAMS BELANG in TWO DEGREES
you assume way to much about everything
My grudging respect. I honestly didn't think you all had it in you to take a stand on principle in this way
Oh boy
talk about a backhanded compliment
I dont know whether to say thank you or fuck you
lol
My grudging respect. I honestly didn't think you all had it in you to take a stand on principle in this way
"we all "
Like I am a group as opposed to an individual
oy
Mr. Spock - I think you must be very young and also very unfamiliar with me.
I defy you to categorize me or somehow lump me into a "you all"
can not be done
Your site is a tad obsessive, no? You have some kind of personal beef with Charles or LGF?
I am not a member of any "blog faction"
political group or religious la lache leauge
please keep that in mind when addressing me
thank you
Pat - look at her webpage.
Babbazee-
The ultimate faction of one
Angle:
I am not referencing you in this post I am referring to the poster Circe when I say "one showed up"
I just posted this on LGF
reposting here
I hope to have my second post on this subject up by the end of today so I am splitting now for a few hours to work on it more
but please keep talking here if enough of you show up
I think this has been a great thread
#1060 BabbaZee 11/04/07 3:52:27 am reply quote report 0
Jeppo never has any answers to any of my posts
I think I proved that the cross IN HIS HOME is from the JORGENFRONT
Also it is NOT a Celtic cross
that is utter dissimulation.
it is ODIN'S CROSS
go look and see who is using ODIN'S CROSS in this world....
fucking odious
anyway
same people who use the Trident Rune that you see so prominently in the video at my blog on the Vlaams
I haven't read the thread
but I can tell you this
they got NOTHING
That's why the personal beefs and dissembling arguments and gay pictures and bullshit slinging
read the thread at my blog... no one challenges my evidence, one comes but only tries to distract from it
No one supporting the Vlaams I contacted in private mails before making my post challenged my evidence directly, they just tried to DISTRACT ME FROM IT and ridicule me for looking into it
Me? I don't give a rats ass what Pim did say or did not say about the Vlaams, it is an ASIDE . Does not prove anything either way.
If you read all my posts since I came out against Vlaams here you will see that no one confronts me or answers my evidence
NO ONE
the Vlaams supporters have NOTHING
Obviously many are not honest enough (with themselves first and foremost) to admit they are collaborating with the devil for the sake of destroying Islam
(so they think anyway)
Many are just being utilized as their useful idiots especially the Americans and the Jews
and some, some really are actual "white nationalist" MFers
in any event....
I am not providing cover for these white power freaks
not now
not ever
and I don't care how may so called friends I lose in the process.
For years Charles and the LGF gang have claimed that "leftists are the true nazis" and there is no such thing as right-wing extremism -
One more before I go
Bullshit
he never said there is no such thing as RW extremism and neither have I
again
YOU ASSUMED
Mr Spock I think maybe you are not a lost cause
GO look into PALEOLIBERTARIANSM
the initials WN in conjunction with RON PAUL
just google RON PAUL and STORMFRONT
that ought curl some hairs for ya
Then we will see how
"Disingenuous" YOU are
after you are through with that search.
You still want to support Ron Paul after that then you have no call yelling at any LGFers for being "unprincipled" on your site or here
GO
SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND.
when you ASSUME
you make an
ass
out of
u
and
me
~ Felix Unger
Hmmmm. Obsessive is a rather kind description.
Sniff sniff..Babba, you know you have made it when you get your own trolls.
Hi Babba
I know you are not LGF. However, I used to go on LGF, many years ago, and was very disturbed, when I noticed posters tended to say things like "if every piece of subhuman filth in the camps dies slowly of starvation, I will have a great holiday!"
I also noticed that it was not unusual for posters on LGF to refer to Palestinians as "subhumans," "vermin", etc - just like the Nazis did to the Jews.
As a student of political extremism, I found this very disturbing, and I observed that this sort of dehumanization was one of the key components of life-hating ideologies like Nazism.
And so, of course I was banned from LGF, because nobody wants to have these sort s of things pointed out to them - every body thinks that they are the exception to human nature, that they can somehow bend that rules that felled others and avoid falling into the same traps.
Now, I see, 6 years later, that the chickens have come home to roost and you are seeing what strange bedfellows you have attracted. I am sure that the Velaams Belang people are very confused that LGF has not embraced them. And I do say "you all" as LGF really is sort of a groupthink phenomenon - that is something that most people who observe it have realized over the years.
Anyway, I do not want to take away from the good thing that this does represent. After so many years of talking about genocide, camps, subhuman Paleo-simian vermin, etc., the LGFers have looked into the crystal ball and perhaps realized where this type of thinking leads and what types of groups it attracts, like moths to the flame.
And they are now back-pedalling and deciding they do not want to be cheek-and-jowl close with the people who literally worship the Third Reich!
Better late than never, I say. Good for you!
RE: Ron Paul - yes I am sure that many unsavory fringe groups are trying to latch onto the contitutional libertarian bandwagon. However it is not the personage who interests me so much as the idea that there is a candidate who does actually want to returning to following the constitution. I realize Paul has no chance of winning - Civics hasn't been taught in public school in this country for decades so most Americans probably couldn't even tell you what the Bill of Rights says!
However, to me it is encouraging that so many people are enthusiastic about moving away from the Imperial model of govt. and back to a Republic where the govt. has limited powers.
Secret trials, torture, constant and continual intervention in other countries and crushing taxes to support endless borrowing and spending, are not what the founders intended. Thats more like ancient Rome, than the USA I grew up in.
Anyway, if Paul's message catches on I think it will eventually have a positive impact, more likely on the state level.
But thats a side issue and really trivia compared to my main point. The LGF crowd has definitely separated themselves from and drawn a line between themselves the European fascist movements who openly advocate racial supremacism and ethnic chauvinism. Based on much of the past material on LGF this was not necessarily a forgone conclusion! So I think this is an important step which should be applauded.
WriterMom, that's hysterical! OY~!
Mr. Spock
There is some rational thought in your post, that being said there is lots not and you you have a long way to go IMO
but I don't call you a troll
and I wont rip into your post,
even though I could in places
And despite the fact that I think your site is six kinds of obsessive and insane
I say you are welcome here but on probationary status
I got mah eyes on you, kid
LOL
speak to you next time
excellent job, babbster. your research web-fu is astonishing... THANK YOU for this! =)
thanks Blue
Here's another layer:
http://www.americanthinker.com/
2...in_belgium.html
ya turn I saw that
reads like a gossip column
the photo he refers to of a woman in Nazi uniform is SD not Vlaams
sloppy and stupid or support propaganda I dont know which
Also none addresses any of this evidence.
No one
Just getting back to you after your LGF comment so you can get my Email addy.(:
thank you JHW
Great stuff. I dug up some Dutch-language material, and learned some additional things
here:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/
...try=27825#c0593
Former Belgian
I am sending you a mail and you will eventually get a hat tip here, I will use your hard work along the way somewhere
very much appreciated too
thanks for everything you have been grand through this
.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/
...try=27846#c0168
BUSTED,
R
Render - thanks
I will check it out
I cannot believe what you discovered in such a short time wading around in the slime of the "Nationalist" movement.
You need to get this information to Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, David Horowitz and all the other attendees of the Brussels Counter Jihad Summit - send a shofar blast to open up their eyes to this threat.
These Nazi Mofos are slowly worming their way into the heart of the counterjihad- check out Gates of Vienna or Jihadwatch and you'll see their comments pages dominated by Nazi supporters and their apologists.
You mention Nick Griffin and the BNP. I have reams of stuff on these creeps that makes Vlaams Belang look like the B'Nai B'rith in comparison. Let me know if you need it and I'll be happy to send it to you. (And yeah, they're rune freaks too.)
Excellent website. My first visit but it definitely won't be my last. Thank you for all your efforts!
Shtarker....
Welcome
yes the BNP are atrocious~
I will get to them eventually too
and thanks for the kind words
Hi Babba
Excellent work you have done. When I have spare time, I'll translate the whole documentary. If you have other documentaries in French or Spanish on the BNP and the Swedish Democrats, please get in touch with me. I'll be more than glad to translate them and expose their the face behind their mask.
Keep the good work.
Gambini
may GOD bless you honey
I will send you a mail
Hi Babba (Bussi)
Have you seen this example of Dewinter and the odin's cross?
It is from his time at the NJSV
http://www.geocities.com/vlaamsb...w/
njsv_waw.html
click on the pic and you will see Dewinter's name under the odin's cross
Zucker yes thank you
I have that - it is going in the next post
matter of fact I have SO MUCH it is hard to know how to parse the information
I hope to have the new one up by tomorrow AM
we shall see who interrupts me today though......
What is that Odin's cross doing on his shelf at the end of the video, I asked myself? I know when I see it that is only used by two groups of people, Neo-Pagans and White Power groups.
If you think that you "know" that, then you are a fool. That's a common Christian symbol called the Celtic Cross.
LOL
Okeedokee then!
Love,
fool
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