Planck's Constant - Fighting World Terror
The Holy Book of God, the Bible/Torah says of the Arabs, which are descendants of Ishmail that - [paraphrased] - "they will be known as wild jack asses in the world and will make trouble wherever they go."
Tell me anyone that that is a lie?
i live in canada, near toronto unfortunately, and we have a terrible number of muslims here. do any of you know of a place i can donate money to that is doing something about the islam threat in canada? our political parties dont seem to have any idea, and i dont want to wait until we get our canadian 9/11 to do something.
thanks
pat
layla, genesis does contain a prophesy regarding ishmael (and his descendants), that he would be a wild donkey of a man always at enmity with his brothers. and to the extent that some (definitely not all) arabs can actually trace their ancestry to ishmael and his 12 sons, they have lived up to that prophesy. the arabs have a history of fighting among themselves as well as with others. even the ancient romans, who were familiar with arabs and called them saracens, said, "we have found them undesirable either as friends or enemies."
also keep in mind that most muslims are not arabs. for example, turks, iranians, indonesians, malaysians, afghanis, kurds, etc...these are not arabs. but muslims inevitably become arabized because the religion is actually a condification of 7th century arab lifestyle, including the garb, sitting and eating off the floor, etc. - just like tentdwellers do.
---sitting and eating off the floor, etc. - just like tentdwellers do.---
haha...i have to laugh at ur stereotyping.....r u all jews posting replies to the posts?
@ali
i posted a comment and im not jewish. what does being jewish have to do with anything?
Oh...I get it (sarcasm) you are one of those bright people who think that everything on the internet that isnt in line with politically correct liberal thinking must be written by a racist or worse yet, a jew racist.
Im glad you got a laugh out of the post, do a search for muslim jokes, Bernie has a number of great cartoons to read too. Im sure you will get a laugh out of them.
i support israel
All friends I made here are christian (five of us live together) and they dont have any perceptions like this about me. We eat and drink together on a table so when I read the floor thing, I showed it to my friends and we all had a grerat laugh. One of them mentioned this must be an all-jewish forum so I asked. I mentioned sterotyping because none of the stuff in this forum applied to me though I was born Muslim, now a militant atheist.
"Pakistan, with the identically same ethnic and racial DNA as India... "
Not quite. I know of at least seven distinct language groups, each tied to different peoples groups in northern India (now called Pakistan) that can (and do) trace their ethnic and genetic heritages back to different origins (sometimes back many, many hundreds of years) and definitely maintain their genetic/cultural identities as distinct from each other. Now, that self-segregationist outlook may well feed into the issues you see holding Pakistan back, but there are definitely more factors than just Islam. Islam is definitely the 2-ton camel in the tent, but it's not the only animal stinking the place up.
When I was in India last year my Chennai Indian partners who speak Tamil had to speak English when we met with Indians from New Delhi and told me that there are in fact hundreds if not a thousand or more languages and minority ethnic groups in India although of the dominant languages there are only about a dozen or so.
Notwithstanding these different languages the majority of the people are all the same genetic stock, except for those that speak Dravidian in the South of India who have minor genetic differences than the majority Hindus, and those in the Eastern part who are Mongoloid.
As for the rest of Indian, more than 75% of the population, they are all Indo-Aryan despite the hundreds of different languages spoken.
As for Pakistan, the majority Punjabi speakers are also Indo-Aryan ethnic stock.
But you are correct that there are some in Pakistan that speak different languages are of different ethnic stock such as the Pashto-speaking Pashtuns who are related in a manner to Iranians.
However, India has more language groups and more distinct ethnic groups than Pakistan. What I was trying to do was filter out the many ethnic minorities in both countries and just concentrate on the majority ethnic group of both countries: Indo-Aryans.
Both countries have an Indo-Aryan majority, both countries have loads of other ethnic groups all speaking different langauges, the major difference is not ethnic groups, but Islam. I agree that Islam is the 2-ton camel, however I believe it is the only animal in the tent.
The 3 ounce Pashtun mouse, and the 5 gram Tibeto-Burman snail should not be even considered as animals.
I will add a Disclaimer to make the point more accurate.
Ali, so if you are no longer Muslim and you are still alive, then you obviously do not live in a Muslim country?
This may also be the reason you do not eat on the floor. I have eaten on the floor with Muslims (and Jews even) many times although never here in America or Europe.
And yes I know, many Muslims eat at tables just like everyone else. I personally don't see anything wrong with eating on the floor - you don't have to be defensive about it.
I will speak the facts alone. I lived 23 years in Paksitan and came here last year. My father was an atheist (my mother devout Muslim) but I turned an atheist in high school, around 17. I used to eat lunch in open spaces in Ramadan (no trouble though maybe risky), never fast in life, went to mosque once or twice maybe. Verbally, I spoke against islam once in front of my mother (rebuked), thrice in front of best friends (shut-up call) and once in public (heated discussion). By the time, I was ready to take flight, I had an atheist boss, an atheist client, and an atheist co-worker all born muslims ofcourse. I do not know much about Arab but Pakistan till late 90s was on the path of liberalism though of late Islamists are on the rise.
While most of the posts on this forum express concern which is fine but saying things like, "garbage inhabiting there" and " just like tentdwellers do" express hatred. Usually my policy is to draw a line b/w concern and hatred though you have a right to express both.
Ali, there are a few million people in Pakistan who are not Muslims, so you are right, I should not call them garbage.
However, the Muslims in Pakistan stone women who are raped, hang homosexuals, and allow honor-killings so I stand by my epithet that those people are garbage.
allow me to clarify my prior comment...i meant that the traditional, historical arab way was and is to sit on the floor while they take their meals, not that they place the food right on the ground and bend their faces down to eat it. traditionalists often eschew western-style tables and chairs as well as clothing, hairstyles, etc. a cloth is spread on the floor, plates and utensils are set as we set a table, floor pillows instead of chairs. this is an ancient custom which no longer makes sense if one lives in a western-style house.
i heard an iranian imam explain that this is done in conformity with how mohammed lived and taught muslims to live, in the hadith and the koran. since he is the example for all humanity, the fundamentalists want to imitate him in everything in order to please allah..
please don't try to say this is not true.
there is nothing wrong with living in a tent, or sitting on the floor or eating in that position or style. it's probably a very pleasant way to live in some climates. the point is, it's an ancient custom from another place and time that's been raised to a religious duty or sign of piety, when it's really just part of a culture that prevailed at the time and place where the religion was founded.
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