Piece of Crap!! Absolutely Nonsense article.... Bangali Communist pig does not know what Gujarat is... Ask those lucky Bangali brothers of yours and ours, who lives far away from West Bengal (Communistized State!!!!!!), I am 110% positive on their response about your artile... It will share same views as every other gujarati and Indian who considers respect for mother land and nation a supreme duty of any civialian. STOP crying and critisizing Gujarat and Gujarati for 2002 riots and look into your own. For Communits, It will take another century to reach to the level of peace, prosperity and Growth gujaratis enjoys everyday....
Gujarati (all religions) have lived to gether with each other since centuries... and they will live to gether.... NO matter how much poison you injects into our muslim brothers mind..... its not going to work so better work towards cleaning the shit in your state first so atleast you guys can come closer to the level where Gujarat is right now and then you can make any comments about Gujarat or Gujaratis....
if modis party had lost the election it would have been victory of secularism !
now it is modis brainwashing has changed gujuratis forever .
though you grudgingly accept that the state had seen unforseen development during modis reign you add a label of authoritanism as a sour grape .
it is high time hindus of this country started calling a spade just that and pseudosecular journalists understand that any carnage has two sides to it and mostly people are communalised by politiicans ,if you can blame modi why dont you the others all over the country at least he isnt a hypocrite .
the election result is a good retort to all false people in this country ,
congrats gujratis i admire you
This man desperately needs the services of a shrink.
Not at all a well balanced article, projecting as if Gujarat is out of sync with democratic values and social responsibilities towards minority. As if the ethnic cleansing is getting planned and implemented in Gujarat. Well, look at Nandigram and you will get an answer how Leftist can handle a crisis? Look at Kashmir and you get an answer of how Congress can mis-handled crisis. So, why Gujarat, why Modi to blame for everything that happened in 2002. To me, its simply because the Gujarat carnage involved minority at the loss. What for the decades of suffering of Kashmiri pundits because of stupid non-secular policies? Where were your so-called secular opinions? how would you justify it? Even after so many years, we havent been able to set up peace in Kashmir, forget about the prosperity. So, if a man called Modi can channel prosperity to Gujarat with his clean non-corruptible authoritarian administration, we sure will have to forget the past. Everywhere such things happen. History of whole Europe is littered with Jew atrocities. US has been condemned for keeping black population under privileged. It comes back to Darwin's law of survival - the stronger beats the weaker. However, if the stronger let weaker stay and prosper, what's wrong with it? Atleast, we in Gujarat provide security, and prosperity to every minority members. Stop digging the past, and look and learn the lessons of Modi administration and how to apply those learnings to other states. I guess, its time to see the "half full" part of the glass.
stupid article
It is a complete dishonor to say that Gujarati Hindu hate Muslims and are actively involved into killing them. But who could make these so called phony seculars who will not miss a single moment to cry about Gujarat and its decision to elect Mr. Modi. Gujaratis as every other Indian would come to the realization that Nationalism is not a narrow minded view of a nation nor it is a direct confrontation against any nation or race. But in the time of terrorism and progression, it should be well understood that we can ignore the threat posed by militants come mainly from Muslim countries.
I don’t understand why a writer like Mr. Nandi can not understand the progress has been made by Mr. Modi in Gujarat. Does he have any idea or suggestion on how to fight terrorism? Because of Muslim vote bank, Congress has been ignoring the threat of terrorism for decades. And that congress is secular. Congress has taken no actions in Kashmir because of fear of losing Muslims. What a shame! But if a true, honorable, honest leader like Mr. Modi tries to clean the state from terrorist threats is called the merchant of death. The writer has any idea of Mr. Budhdhadev’s decision to ask Ms. Nasarin to leave the state. The Communist Party doesn’t even recognize any religion is now drumming a pro Muslim agenda. No, all is forgiven if you would write against Modi and proud Gujarati. First these phony seculars tried to offset Mr. Modi by writing some lies. But now that he won and won with big margins, they are blaming Gujaratis for their voting for Modi. Not only they are dishonoring Gujaratis decision but they are dishonoring the true democracy. Do they have any words for Nandigram incident? What a shame…..
IN my heart I know and in the hearts of those near to me knows that I am not a grain of fanatic - religious, racial, regional, etc. But I am for sure a Gujarati with pride. Have travelled and weathered all those abuse given to me a "Gujju" or "Bania" in all around India and in USA, I know what it means to be looked down.
This 2002 riots, which should not have happen, does not define the psyche of Gujarat or Gujarati. Yes they fight back when pushed to the corner but at heart they are very simple, very generous and very forgiving community.
By keeping the "flames" of hatred alive by brandishing them as some kind of fanatics and reminding those who suffered in 2002 about their sufferage, I don't think you are doing any good to any one but yourself, for you would be able to congratulate yourself for your version of Secularism.
To me no religion, no region, no linguistic group, no political party should be above The Nation. Look at USA. Do we see that? And the BJP's those nationalistic values are attracting Gujaratis and not its Hinuistic values, which BJP can have or can give that up.
For those of us who have little or no understanding of Gujarat or the politics going on there Mr. Nandi's article was very informative. I traveled by backpack in India thirty years ago and found much solace in the religious tolerance I thought was present. Being from the border area of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland I am well aware of how a powerful group of intolerant protestants, with support from a secular government in Britain, could perpetrate abuses and embitter 40% of the nationalist (mostly Catholic) population. At that time the British army, believing that force was the only answer to terror, perpetrated their own state sponsored terror and managed to alienate the moderate voices in N. Ireland. It may be that Ireland could be a lesson on the importance of two historically religious groups finally working out their differences by democratic means and having representatives in government who truly represent their views.
Nandy should visit the nearest shrink. He should take with him Rajdeep Sardesai and Karan Thapar too.
By the same arguments, the same middle class can easily be blamed for:
Kashmir mess.
Terrorism
Emergency
Nandigram massacres
LTTE
etc.
What a pile of bull S**t.
a very biased view........against gujarat and gujaratis.........
mr nandI: have you ever stayed in gujarat after 2002 for at least a period of 2-3 months? have travelled to various towns where hindus and muslims are doing business together? attend each others' family functioNS?
ASSHIS NANDY is not a Political psychologist
He is a Political psycho! he is psychologically obsessed with modi's gujarat win.
11 of the 12 comments are by "proud" Gujaratis, who feel that Mr. Nandy is "pseudosecular", "hyprocritic", "communistic" etc. etc. Having had many good Gujarati friends from many years, both Hindu and Muslim, and also having interacted with Mr. Nandy before, I believe he is as incisive as ever. The reactions only support his contentions. Please note that he never suported the communists or the congress. In fact he directly indicted Rajiv Gandhi for Sikh militancy. The same thing is happenning in Bengal. If development comes before people are ready (educated etc. etc.) then this is the only possible outcome (other than anarchy, which nobody likes). Are we a democracy ? Let the "proud" Gujaratis or other "nationalists" answer that. We talk of unity in diversity, but are quite wary of the latter when we have to deal with it. Loss of natural diversity due to "development" and loss of cultural and ethical diversity due to rabid nationalism are related.
My strong advice to the writer of this article is to have three to five sittings with a qualified Psychiatrist so that he is cured of his Hindutva-phobia.
A self respecting and a real nationalist would like to see Shri Modi as the PM of Hindustan so taht it is cured of all its ills.
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I found the comments perhaps even more evealing than the article
Where were these so called intellectual , freedom loving ,injustice fighting secularist indians when Mahmud Ghazni , Mahmud Ghori ,Alaudin Khilji and countless others were destroying somnath temple, sacking cities ,destroying our heritage , our centres of learning including Nalanda(which was Buddhist).Those who accuse hindus of communalism forget that the same Hindus created the Khajuraho temples,wrote Meghdootum.Thse sole cause of Indias problem is the islamic invasion of this nation which was equivalent to spanish destruction of aztec civilization except that Hindus unlike the Aztecs survived. To understand the Muslim psyche one only has to look at the countries where they are a majority like Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iran , Saudi Arabia.Any day my Hindu culture than this backward jihadist and jahil culture of Muslims.
Mr.Nandi is right in his observaion almost all the gujrathi middle and higher class has become communal because of the RSS brain washing and this has been going on for the last forty years.I look down upon gujaratis wherever i find them and i have no regrests,The proud gujaratis who are shouting here have made I dnia a laughing stock in front of the international community.Too Sad that a few buch of morons can humiliate India,Secularism,democracy and all the Indians for their communal propaganda and hatred.
It is an excellent artice invstigeting the socital stigma in gujrat.
It should be evident to the Gujrati middle class that these pogroms will come to hunt them sooner or later as they have done to every other socity like them.A day will come when they will regret it.
As of the NRI Gujratis! The are the biggest anti-nationals I know! They site pretty and tight with there cute bottoms on the oppertunities and comforts of the western socity, while we Indians were doing all the hard work andnow the intigate the threats to communal harmony of India! time has come to call there bluff and tell them to keep out of our internal matters! the are now after all foreigners , the day the accepted other citizenships.
Fair article. We all have to realize, if we support such senselessness in our society and elect such nut heads, then sooner or later they will all bite us also. We can now see how the police with support from this administration is causing a menace to the poor and middle class. God save us all from these crooks and all those who support them.
What more do u need to agree to this article than to get the news that My Nandy has been now charged by the Gujrat govt for writing this article. We now dont even have the freedom to speak what we think.
Its sounds so true now when we say Gujrat has disowned India, they no more think and act like tolerant indians, instead they have turned into blood-thirsty beings intent to destroy anybody that defies their thinking.
I agree that middle class, which is a majority in India, is responsible for most of the messes created in India. We are also responsible for letting Congress mis-rule this country. High time to rectify this error.
Ashis Nandy's writings have ALWAYS been balanced, giving a complete picture of the issue he writes about. I recommend a second and deep reading of this particular article to all those who have initially lost their thinking. Think Indian not Gujarati. And read carefully the Supreme Court judgement.
I endorse the views of John dayal. The comments are more revealing than the article.
I thought Mr.Nandy was going overboard about the hatred and RSSization of Gujaratis till I read the comments. Now I agree with him totally. If these are the intellectual Gujaratis, I can only imagine how the fanatics maybe. Instead of owning up to the state sponsored terror of 2002, Gujaratis are justifying it as economic development. Some Gujju goes as far as saying 'survival of species'. Its high time to introspect and realize politics of hate can work for a time but remember 'what goes around comes around'
While Mr. Nandy's primary theme was the institutionalizing of communalism among Gujarat's middle class and NRGs(one might wish that he had chosen different adjectives to describe them!), he has spared no group, including the Congress, Leftists, Gandhians, Secularists, and Islamists, each of whom must bear some responsibility for the current state of communal relations in the country. As others have already said, I find the visceral reaction to his analysis sad and pitiable, as they in of themselves demonstrate the thesis of his article.
It is obvious that this small article on Gujarat has shaken the stae government. This shows the intolerence of those who rule and what sacrifice the common people will have to make for so called DEVELOPMENT. Well, in Karnataka the BJP Chief Minister says that Gujarat is the model for him. Yes the middleclass in Karnataka are the new converts to Modiolgy! Jai Hindutva, Jai Modi
I thought Mr nandy was a reknowned and experienced writer, but unfortunately may be due to his old age, he has quoted all facts wrong.
He has even blamed Rajiv Gandhi for Sikh millitancy.
As as lay man, i am aware that Sikh Milliancy was the result of Indira Gandhi supporting Bhindrawala.
Being a civilsed person i can use the language that i had in my mind against Mr. Nandi for the one sided ,biased and mindless article he has written
india is a region upon which political boundaries have been enforced, a political identity has been enforced. how can you put a country which has 1652 languages, innumerable kinds of peoples, into a little match-box like term called a nation. india is not a nation, it never was. the people of this region are too diverse to clasify. you cant count the differences, not the similarities, there are too many.
im a gujrati living in karnataka. i have never been to gujrat. so can i still be called a gujrati? yet, i do not belong to this land either, so i am not a kannadiga either. in karnataka there is a community (the siddi community) which has been brought by the british as slaves from africa. they have their own languages and culture. are they african, kannadiga, siddi, indian, kannadiga? are they not all of these? how is it possible to separate all these identities.
and yes, the siddi community has different religious faiths. so now what category do we put them under.
so what does identity mean? what identity is hindutva fighting for? whose identity?
what gets missed in these discussions is that there is no single identity. and most of india is trying desperately to earn enough money to survive one day at a time, to think about identities. a lot of them dont even know what religion they are suppoesd to belong to.
there s been a lot of mud slinging- congress is responsible for 1984, the left for nandigram, so why pick only on gujrat. amid the mudslinging we have as human beings failed to ask really important questions. questions that require us to look into ourselves for answers amid all the mud and hogwash. can such mass killing be justified by any kind of argument?
someone posted a comment saying 'think indian and think gujrat'
what about thinking human? and thinking moral? and thinking reason? and using your own judgement to understanding tat killing is WRONG. INHUMAN. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL, TO DESTROY.
india is a region upon which political boundaries have been enforced, a political identity has been enforced. how can you put a country which has 1652 languages, innumerable kinds of peoples, into a little match-box like term called a nation. india is not a nation, it never was. the people of this region are too diverse to clasify. you cant count the differences, not the similarities, there are too many.
im a gujrati living in karnataka. i have never been to gujrat. so can i still be called a gujrati? yet, i do not belong to this land either, so i am not a kannadiga either. in karnataka there is a community (the siddi community) which has been brought by the british as slaves from africa. they have their own languages and culture. are they african, kannadiga, siddi, indian, kannadiga? are they not all of these? how is it possible to separate all these identities.
and yes, the siddi community has different religious faiths. so now what category do we put them under.
so what does identity mean? what identity is hindutva fighting for? whose identity?
what gets missed in these discussions is that there is no single identity. and most of india is trying desperately to earn enough money to survive one day at a time, to think about identities. a lot of them dont even know what religion they are suppoesd to belong to.
there s been a lot of mud slinging- congress is responsible for 1984, the left for nandigram, so why pick only on gujrat. amid the mudslinging we have as human beings failed to ask really important questions. questions that require us to look into ourselves for answers amid all the mud and hogwash. can such mass killing be justified by any kind of argument?
someone posted a comment saying 'think indian and think gujrat'
what about thinking human? and thinking moral? and thinking reason? and using your own judgement to understanding tat killing is WRONG. INHUMAN. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL, TO DESTROY.
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