So Arundhati Roy is essentially saying that somehow, though the attacks are bad, India had it coming, and to realise this truth, Indians should look in the mirror. What do China, North Korea and Saudi Arabia see when they look in the mirror, or do they look at all? Would Roy maintain that there is no need for them to look in the mirror, since they, unlike India, have perfectly secular, democratic, pluralist countries and societies?
What is your point finally Madam? i.e. if you really read the comments? that we should not have homeland security? that all Indians and hindus in particular must turn the other cheek always? that we should completely deny history of 4000 years and give greater importance to history of last twenty years vis-a-vis Babri masjid etc.? that everything about India can be equated with Holocaust? that the "intelligentsia" need not have any sense of proportion? that you will answer to my email ID above so that we could debate a little?
Arundhati, i love you. I always get extremely emotional when i read your words,its like my own jumble of thoughts, broken phrases come out so full of strength and truth...
Arundhati, your pen is mightier than anything. Keep on writing and asking questions. People like Hemant Karkare will arise for finding answers. Wish you all the best.
In the "largest" context in which Roy places terrorism, the partition of India is noted, but not its authors: the British. In fact in none of her railings against Empire is there more than token mention of the British role, past and present, in the world's mayhem.
Binu's CounterCurrents is really on the ball to have republished Arundhati Roy's call for the establishment and those who associate themselves with it, to look in the mirror!
And for a more world wide encompassing treatment of the looking in the mirror of the rulers theme, google establishmet defector Paul Craig Roberts and read his comprehensive writing.
I'm Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .
As I, Turn Up The Collar On My
Favourite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer's Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya' Know
'Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That's Why I Want You To
Know
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
..MJs glorious song
Madame !
In your lengthy article, you have rightly blamed both Side 'A' and Side 'B'. One prime difference is - one side is doing whatever type of terrorism "without state support", "without monetary support from general public" - while the other side is doing terrorism using full state machinery, active support of elected officials (under-cover), and fooling the very people who elected them.
One side is a two-legged person / banned organization, which can be suffocated and allowed to die its own death. While the other side is a "hydra" which will not go silently. It's a "Monster in the Mirror".
Your article shows some demarcation lines - however your readers like "Varun Shekhar" and "nani" seem to equate India's inherent problems with those of other countries - China, Russia, Saudi... American can withstand 9/11 and still survive after two simultaneously waged wars on Afghanistan and Iraq thousands of miles from it's own mainlan. Remember we could not get back to our feet for more than two decades after supporting formation of our Eastern Neighbour sharing common border with only 18-days at war.
"nani" - no-body is asking India should completely deny history of 4000 years. Indian citizens want those 4000-year old ideals to continue, giving equal rights to all - as guaranteed under Indian Constitution. If as Mrs. Roy writes - The Shiv Sena, the BJP, and the RSS condemned the Maharashtra ATS, and vilified its chief, Hemant Karkare, claiming he was part of a political conspiracy and declaring that "Hindus could not be terrorists." What I want to say is - not only is Shiv Sena, BJP, RSS and the Saffronites are the culprits in a crime - world would count all those who actively or passively support these organizations morally, monetarily, or by electing them by their votes.
As Mrs. Roy writes, and I quote: We have a hostile nuclear-weapons state that is slowly spinning out of control as a neighbor; we have a military occupation in Kashmir and a shamefully persecuted, impoverished minority of more than 150 million Muslims who are being targeted as a community and pushed to the wall, whose young see no justice on the horizon, and who, were they to totally lose hope and radicalize, will end up as a threat not just to India, but to the whole world. Unquote.
The Jewish State with full support of the only remaining superpower is unable to control 3 - 4 milion Palestinian Muslims for over 50 years using the same methods utilized by our Saffronites. Mrs. Roy's math about solution and/or elimination of 150 million Indian Muslims is an "eye-opener" for intellectual infants.
Lastly, as you hastily want to conclude showing only two ways - I would say there is a third solution - showing compassion, discussion, and trying to find permanent solutions - not just "quick fixes" as we have historically tried which didn't work.
And it's good piece of advise for statesmen, polticians, leaders, (Babu Bajrangi's in the making) and general public on both sides of the overnight drawn Radcliff Line - "A superpower does not have alles - it only has agents".
Lessons to be learnt.
Excellent and thought provoking article from Arundhati Roy.
The 'Homeland Security' is the same old Nazi cry which US is playing now and the fascists in India wants to pick up. However, to any intelligent and well-informed reader, this so-called 'Homeland security' and anti-terrorism laws do not mean anything and as you rightly pointed out, it's only a means to put away any inconvenient people who comes in the way of these fascist pigs.
Common sense alone tells that a country of our vast cannot have any sort of security as they cry, as you wrote:
"If 10 men can hold off the NSG commandos and the police for three days, and if it takes half a million soldiers to hold down the Kashmir valley, do the math. What kind of Homeland Security can secure India?"
I watched some clippings of the Live TV broadcast on TimesofIndia Now TV and I felt like peeing on the face of those pimps who were clamoring about the inefficiency of the Govt., Politicians and bullsh*tting garbage for their gullible cattle. Anyone with a little knowledge of how the game is being played, easily understands that those filthy clowns had been hired to mouth misinformation & disinformation. They clearly sounded as if they were openly campaigning for the Hindutva Pigs. The style of presentation, the repetition of the clippings & flashing news were all one-on-one similar to those that we see in CNN, FOX and the likes. That was a clear indication that the news and the clowns or 'actors' who were programmed to mouth bullsh*t were all staged to act in co-ordination as the terror unveiled.
Madame!
It looks like you touched some painful / sensitive nerves of people like "nani" and few other readers.
Truth is always "sour and unpalatable", especially with those who have "chronic indigestion problem". It does not affect, even if a doctor prescribes the best available medicine, or they willingly / unwillingly want to take some "over the counter medications" - it will not work.
Lessons / advice from your article goes well with people who follow balanced diet. Unfortunately no-one can correct people like Babu Bajrangi (whose blood is infected with Hindutva Hatred poison) who got influenced from fiery speeches of the likes of Modis, Advanis, Uma Bharthis, Tagodias, etc. who are preaching hatred (in a NICELY PACKAGED LABEL of "nationalism"). And don't forget, they will soon come back and "beg" for your valuable VOTE - only to return to power and crush (at slightest given chance) the very persons who brought them to power. Then they will not miss any opportunity to point an accusing finger at neighbouring state, or book innocents en-block, show them of TV and leave them back-doors or kill them in fake-encounters. They are the ones building "palaces" on the graves of "innocent deaths".
Innocent Indians don't know that Hindutva is, hell-bent upon creating chaos and FEASTING ON INNOCENT DEAD (although I believe they are vegetarian). Hindutva ideology does not care whether it is an impartial Hindu ATS Chief or those scores of innocents who lost lives in the terror attacks whether in Mumbai (Bombay), Malegoan, Godhra, Delhi, Ahmedabad or any other cities where an impartial inquiry is due, and culprits whether Muslims or Hindus need to be held accountable. If an impartial inquiry is held, real culprits will be "unmasked" and cannot return with an innocent face to ask for your valuable VOTE. It's always better to "shove off" any evidence under the rubble.
Thank you Arundhati Roy,
Communalism don't have any religion. But when state does the discrimination, or when it becomes inactive, that really is a matter of serious concern. Denied justice is one of the root cause for the growth of all kinds of unrest around the globe, not only in India. Justice must prevail.
Let me quote some parts of an article by HARSH MANDER, famous social activist from India: “On February 18, 1983, in the genocidal massacre organised in Nellie, just 40 km from Guwahati , 2,191 Muslim settlers originally from Bangladesh were slaughtered, leaving 370 children orphaned and their homes in 16 villages destroyed”.
It was long 25 years back. See then what happened: “The government gave the survivors of Nellie compensation for each death of as little as 5,000 rupees, contrasted for instance with Rs. 7 lakhs that have been paid to survivors of the Sikh carnage of a year later in 1984. Six hundred and eighty eight criminal cases were filed in connection with Nellie organised massacre and of these 310 cases were charge-sheeted. The remaining 378 cases were closed due to the police claim of “lack of evidence”. But all the 310 charge-sheeted cases were dropped by the AGP government as a part of Assam Accord; therefore not a single person has even had to face trial for the gruesome massacre. Some lives are clearly deemed by the State of being of little worth compared to others.”
The full article available at: http://www.hindu.com/mag/2008/
12...21450100300.htm
With regards
Abhiyya
How can I complement Arundhati Roy on this wonderful combination of literary quality and the unfortunate truth? You have expressed so many of my thoughts with so much beauty that I was left smiling the entire time I read this article. Yet inside my head there was a sadness reminding me of the bare facts that glare at us.
Thank You.
Dear Roy
I salute you! You have rightly shown the path of deep introspection to all the readers!
Every proactive person or nation must go through deep introspect and should come out with lasting solution. You can't fight with hatred with same attitude! You can't change someone's mind by just beating him/her! Justice delayed is injustice in itself!
We as a mature citizen of India must act for justice!
With profound regards
Perwez Ahmad
Thank you Arudhati - you are performing more than our expectations
"that we should completely deny history of 4000 years and give greater importance to history of last twenty years vis-a-vis Babri masjid etc.?"
Unfortunately we don’t have a constitution since 4000 years
AbuZahoor
Observer and others, terrorism against India such as we saw in Mumbai, is not an inherent Indian problem, or at least not a peculiar Indian one. It's just that India being what it is, democratic, pluralistic, soft, open , messy, self-critical and chaotic, almost invites this nonsense on itself. I mentioned North Korea, China and Saudi( and should have mentioned Myanmar) because her essential position, and the position of several readers, that repression/persecution automatically leads to terrorism like Mumbai stands totally dispelled and discredited. There is no shortage of repression and persecution in those countries( or are Arundhati and her admirers claiming they are perefect?) yet we never see incidents like Mumbai in any of them. Why is that?
Ms.Roy,thanks for one more brilliant write-up.
Varun Shekhar,attacks could have been stopped had political masters in Delhi heeded to Sitaram Yachuri's warning that close proximity with US and Israel,the two most hated countries,would make India vulrenable to more terror attacks.
Which 4000 yaer old history Nani is talking about?The history of that period when Jain and Buddhist temples were descreted and demolished.Manu's laws were enforced to keep untouchables,women under constant subjugation,kings had advisors like Kautalia who recommended state's favours to upper varna subjects,in particular Brahamns,descrimination a state policy.
9/11 was handiwork of Bush administration.Read 9/11 and American Empire,in 2 volumes,edited by:David Ray Griffin and Peter Scott,Vol.1;Kevin Barrett,John Cobb and Sandra Lubarsky,vol.2 for scientific evidence and eye witness accounts which establish the fact that WTC were brought down by controlled demolition devices.What followed we all know.
The false propaganda that after 9/11 no terror attack took place in US because of creation of Homeland Security Department,enaction of stringent laws can not wish away the fact that more terror attacks would have taken place if US administration willed so.Pogrom in Gujrat did not happen again because Modi achieved his objectives by masterminding and orchestrating only one.
Dear Arundhati Solutions are the need of the hour. Analysis is needed but, in a manner which offers solution. There is no quick fix to this complex issue. We need to go to basic human values, love and compassion and oneness of the universe, so that all labels are replaced by a universal oneness. My views are as followsFriday, November 28, 2008
Terrorism Mumbai
As we face the challenge of terrorism in Mumbai I wish to reflect on the vicious cycle of retribution and revenge that has resulted in the present conflagration. It is well said that that those who forget the lessons of History are condemned to repeat it. At the time of the division of the nation India chose to be a secular democracy where we gave freedom to all to follow the religion of their choice without infringing on any other persons rights and subject to the laws of the land. Our founding fathers and Gandhi in particular conducted a freedom movement where they worked to have a social reconstructive program me to prepare the nation and its people for freedom. Our constitution has asked the leaders to make a uniform civil code for the people of India based on the best values of all religions. While a Hindu reform bill was passed after a decade of resistance by right wing orthodox parties our first PM was unable or unwilling to push for a similar reform bill for the minority religions mainly for fear of alienating the Muslims. The Muslims of this country at the time of partition were either refugees reduced to penury by circumstances or locals who had no choice but to remain behind. A very small number remained by choice. Gandhi's assassination by persons who preached the ideology of a Hindu state resulted in greater Muslim insecurity. In spite of the best efforts of Nehru the Muslim leadership passed into the hands of the fundamentalists. Over the years the leadership of our country deteriorated and the visionaries were replaced by puny men who made politics their business and winning elections by dividing the people become a norm rather than an occasional aberration. One side appeased the minorities and kept them undeveloped while the other made the majority feel they were victims in their own land. Any division, caste, community, language, religion was handy as long as it gave votes and power. Since the last three decades the cycle of violence in the name of religion has seen a series of events which have been an action and reaction by one community against another. A Masjid destruction was followed by riots was followed by bomb blasts in 1992. Later came series of bomb blasts, attack on Indian Parliament, blast outside temples and mosques and Godhra followed by the Gujarat carnage followed by terror. Coupled with Kashmir issue of militant strikes and expulsions of the pundits vs the human right violations of the army the cycle of retribution and violence seems to be never ending. All religions preach human values and essentially are means for humans to realize the divine within themselves. The core and essence are the same but the man made rituals and practices have resulted in differences which lead one to believe that a particular religion is superior to another. The exclusive ideology leads to an attitude of hatred instead of a positive tolerance.
It is all to easy to say after every terrorist strike that we need to flush them out of their holes as though they were some rats who cannot think for themselves. Terrorists are motivated misguided youth who have been created by circumstances and indoctrination. Nobody is born evil and the natural inclination of all human beings is love and compassion for all. The Mahatma said "An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind". While this is literally true, today we all have become blind to the fact that we are all responsible for this mindless violence. Our greedy materialistic life style, living on debt and our selfishness is all directly responsible for this cycle of terror. At this moment there will be a cry for retribution and a war like situation with the hawks calling for an attack on our neighbours. The US did that and it created a generation of terrorists. Muslims world over feel victimized and much as we deny it the same feeling occurs in India. Every time innocent youth are rounded up and the whole community is branded as terrorist we are actively creating terrorists. The right wing leadership in the garb of taking bold action against terrorism has repeatedly target ted the innocents and made the whole Muslim community feel unwanted and second class citizens in their own country. Now they are trying to do the same to Catholics in Orissa and Karnataka.
In this debate the issues of vigilance, intelligence gathering, a well motivated and well paid trained police force take a back seat. When will we see through the game that our politicians play? Both sides are equally responsible for this state of affairs. As I see the problem, it needs to be tackled on three fronts. An immediate strengthening of the security and an accountability of the intelligence gathering wings of the nation is required. We need to be a tough but fair democratic state. The people need to voluntarily accept curbs on their freedoms in the interest of safety. The second thing is a complete rejection of politicians indulging in divisive competitive vote-bank politics. The third front is a rejection of a life-style based on mindless accumulation of wealth without caring for people around us. We have and are going on paying the price for our failure on all the above three fronts. Our attitude of indiscipline, and we are like that only has made us a soft state. A failure to see through the nefarious designs of our politicians and a blind aping of western modern life-style are all directly responsible for terrorism in Mumbai today.
At this hour even as our security forces are fighting to save innocent lives, we all need to offer a collective prayer and resolve that we mumbaikars will show our cliched spirit and go back to work and defeat the terrorists designs. But this should not be out of sheer helplessness and lack of choice. We need to pressurize our governments and leaders to give top priority to our security but at the same time create an atmosphere of communal harmony and peace and last but not the least realize that the heartless pursuit of wealth at any cost is also a violent act which will perpetuate the cycle of terror.
It is shameful that many people actually think that Roy is providing an accurate an impartial picture.
To the contrary, she is trying to portray Pakistan (Islam) as evil and India is a democracy and civilised.
The fact is that India is the most uncivilised fascist state. It is the most racist on the planet and racism in India is systemic.
Duran, Perth
The truth you shall see Ms. Arundhati Roy when you see the americans in full force with tanks rolling from New Delhi to Kashmir, they will finally try and solve this problem between India & Pakistan, then my dear Roy we will have seen how they made their way in and then you and I will be called terrorists, the day we see unite as one & realize how much of blood shall we drain to drive these bloody americans out of here
She is one of the greatest writers and excellent personage.
"It's hard to understand why those who steer India's ship are so keen to replicate Pakistan's mistakes and call damnation upon this country by inviting the United States to further meddle clumsily and dangerously in our extremely complicated affairs. A superpower never has allies. It only has agents."
Dear Ms. Roy,
You say that terrorism cannot be justified, but that is precisely what you have done.
You say islamists have the right to retiliate because of Babri Masjid, Kashmir, Gujrtat riots, but you deny the same right to Babu Bajrangi to kill when Hindu piligrims are burnt to death by islamists
You err more, you even deny that islamists are responsible.
Your article would be applauded by Islamists but fuel passions and anger amongst others.
It will only create more Kasabs amongst the muslims and more Babu Bajrangi's amongst Hindus.
You are not part of the solution, but part of problem.
I hope God grants you wisdom to realise the same and your considerable literary talent are better channelised.
Yours Truly
AGP
Kidwai, you are hallucinating with your repulsive, outlandish conspiracy theories. And so what if India is getting closer to the US and Israel? That's a sign of strength and confidence, not weakness and stupidity. India is not Pakistan, to be used like a condom or toilet paper. India will have a mature, balanced, multi-faceted, self-respecting relationship with both the US and Israel, and with many other countries.
Dear AGP, there is a difference between 'justifying' terrorism, and being able to understand why someone would take to a lethal, self-destructive path. It is simply a rule of human psychology, the victims do NOT forget, cannot forget. The vicious cycle of violence goes on, perverting mindsets, creating killing machines out of human beings like u and me. The hurt goes on festering. And that is exactly what Terrorism is all about. Whats funny however is our refusal to dig deeper, our thick-skinnedness...
No one has the 'right' to kill a non-combatant, but so many innocents are killed off like flies in the process anyways... the price of our apathy and folly. And the hurt festers, maddens...Remember Newton's laws? Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
When will we stop seeing terrorists as demented creatures but as human beings we sinned against,human beings hunted down by the hurt that eats within, leading them to sin most vile!
Ah, the hurt!
May God bless us all with wisdom to see things for what they are, and to rise ABOVE the prejudices, the barriers!
Ms Roy has once again managed what we Indians are really good at - being useless...Does it tell us what to do next? Does it offer solutions? No. It takes the easy way out...blames everybody..from the jehadis to the Americans to the government here to the moneyed classes in India and the media...Yes, Ms Roy we are aware of all that you have highlighted in your piece.All that the article says is that we don't live in a perfect world. And from ancient times, humanity has been trying to create one.From Ram Rajya to Gandhi's vision of India. Even the Jehadis are trying to do just that in their own way...(by the way, if they succeed, you madam, will be sitting at home with no chance of ever writing anything that will ever be read by anybody again)So, many words have been penned to tell us that this is an imperfect world. Of course it is. There is scarcely anybody on earth above the age of 5 who doesn't know that.
Ms Roy hasn't the courage (or perhaps the brains) to suggest what to we do next. Will venting spleen against anybody and everybody solve the issue? Are you advocating that we should follow your example of 2002, when you made your point to the Supreme Court but when the court wanted to punish you for it, you had the guts to only stand up for it for 1 day and then quickly paid up the fine and made good your escape? Should we just make points and leave it at that? Can we afford that?
Sure, the government makes mistakes, the army and police make mistakes, news anchors make mistakes, people make mistakes, all of us do...but then we try...we test new things, we try to make things work...many times they don't...but we still try.
We don't make points that we can't stand up for more than a day. We, the people of India, go back to work in the same trains that get bombed, walk through the same streets that see bloody fighting, still think highly of hotels on the waterfront that have stood for more than 100 years as landmarks, still go and vote in or vote out governments by their performance in governance and not only on the basis of their religious leanings.(People in Gujarat vote for Modi because he delivers on governance as do wealthy industrialists who invest in that state. And we may hate Modi for his rabid right wing ideology, but the simple matter is that he delivers and the silent vast majority who are neither rightists or leftists or intellectuals - like yourself,but who vote, percieve him as someone who delivers. The day he stops doing that is the day he gets booted out of office.)
We are simple folk who just want to be. And we would like some solutions to our problems, some way forward. Just letting us know in a lengthy essay that the world is imperfect is simply a waste of our and I daresay, your time as well.
Mr/Ms Kidwai, if what Mr Yechury is saying were true, then the Mumbai blasts of 2008 should have never happened. We were neither close to Israel nor America at that time. And if tomorrow, the government were to declare that we shall have nothing to do with America or Israel henceforth, do u think the terrorists would say, "thank you, that is the point that we were trying to make by killing innocents in your country, and since you have seen the error of your ways, we forgive you and you shall not hear from us again"? Politicians give simplistic answers to complex problems to cater to their votebanks, it's a pity that you echo such views without realising it's demerits.
Nam,we got close to Israel when Late Narsimha Rao was PM,got closer to US during MMS's tenure as FM.
Those who rubbish the facts as cospiracy theory are living in fools' paradise.The truth of the matter is that we are living in an age of full of conspiracies,hatched by states,individuals,group of individuals.What is known as pre-planned is a well worked out conspiracy be it Gujrat mayhem,terror attacks in any part of the world.
Are we thinking,sensible persons or ostrich?Pre-conditioned,seasoned like timber minds are not susceptible to objective realities.
Dear All ,
Who ever gave words in praise of Ms Roy , Can anyone tell me in a brief that whats she about to tell , is she blaming india or pakistan or both.
If what ever whats the solution she tells(if there is any) for these.
Waiting for reply,
Sujai
Arundhati, no need much expensive channels or media to tell the truth. In the mid of these fancy channels and newspapers, people thurst for the truth and they will search for your articles.
Madame,
I would like to translate your article in french...
Merci de me donner, vous-même, la permission.
Himalove
great article.....i think both the so called islamic terrorism and the so called hindu terrorism are thriving on each others venom...
and i feel till very recently it was the politicians who were are biggest villians in this country and now that honor or dishonor has been claimed by the indian media. They can stoop to any level to make their TRPs rise without worrying what impact it would have on our future generations. Rajdeep, barkha, arnab adn sites like rediff are the biggest reason for poisoning the minds of the youth in this great country..
Mais, vous pouvez vous donner à vous-même la permission dès à présent.
Nani here.I thank "innocent observer" for thinking about my health but for the record my digestion is quite fine. Good debate requires you to assume that others are as intelligent and committed as you. Please do not assume you are better or more moral than others.
Others have asked 'What 4000 Year history'. It is the history of a people who have inhabited, tilled and prospered in the subcontinent and developed a civilization with its own mores and culture. You may adore or despise but cannot write off this. Any improvement in a culture/faith has to come from within. If you are committed, please act but do not pass judgements on other cultures/faiths.
For others I wish to point out that when you look for impartial enquiries please do not apply this phrase to the
trial - investigation - sentencing in media whether for Malegaon accused or for Mumbai Blasts accused. It is extremely embarrassing for me as a tax paying and law abiding Indian to see the police/investigating agencies playing to media. Only they can self examine and limit this as it makes a laughing stock of all of us.
We can not debate by mere assumptions that others are intelligent.Others must be argumentative,committment doesn't mean that a particular interpretation of history is used as an argument,logic.
What I found objectionable in your comments was:"turning the other cheek,particularly by Hindus";why history of 20 years is so important and 4000 year old history is ignored?
I fail to understand what 4000 old history had to do with demolition of Babri Masjid.
Faith and culture are two seperate things.Faith does not evolve,it is neither acquired like convictions.Faith is inherited and at best could be discarded altogether or new faith adopted.
Mixture of faith and politics is keg powder.
Culture evolves,is very much prone to cahnges after coming into contact with other alien cultures.Purity of culture,like purity of race is an absurd idea.Attack on culture is a political slogan and nothing else.
History never moves backward,neither 4000 year nor 20 years.
"We may try to understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much worse lies ahead." -Noam Chomsky in a short article that he wrote immediately after 9/11, on 12th September 2001
"…Arnab Goswami, anchorperson of Times Now television, has stepped up to the plate. He has taken to naming, demonizing, and openly heckling people who have dared to question the integrity of the police and armed forces.My name and the name of the well-known lawyer Prashant Bhushan have come up several times. At one point, while interviewing a former police officer, Arnab Goswami turned to the camera: “Arundhati Roy and Prashant Bhushan,” he said. “I hope you are watching this. We think you are disgusting.” -Arundhati Roy, The Monster In The Mirror
What a simple one liner that was? We think you are disgusting. Arundhati Roy continues what does it mean.
"For a TV anchor to do this in an atmosphere as charged and as frenzied as the one that prevails today amounts to incitement, as well as threat, and would probably in different circumstances have cost a journalist his or her job.So, according to a man aspiring to be the next prime minister of India, and another who is the public face of a mainstream TV channel, citizens have no right to raise questions about the police."
But you know what, if am gonna forward Roy’s Article, i doubt how many will actually read. They will complain about its length. Arundhati Roy had to spent 10 long painstaking years in Bastis and streets of this country from sardar sarovar dam villages to nandigram to kashmir, where television cameras do not enter, to sense the pulse of the vast, voiceless people and come up with her opinions in long essays which is a mix of history and literary quality. If am not exaggareting, quite equal to volumes of marxian polemics.
But how easy it is for Arnab? We think you are disgusting.
why the contradiction?
why truth looks long and tiresome while lie is always short and easy to understand?
With the growing jingoistic hysteria and Times now acting like the mouthpiece of Organiser (Official Magazine of RSS), the atmospehere tells you something. It’s not going to be easy to speak the truth. It will cost you. not only that. Very less are willing to hear. assimilate and understand.
As you can see in the comments section to the Roy’s Article, many have angrily reverted back shouting, “What is your point finally Madam?” and in similar fashions. Her remarks are not only confusing but disturbing to them. They are not able to stand trouble makers like Roy and Prashant Bhushan, who has also written a magnificent yet laborious long piece. The same irate voices echo from the Television sets of Times now and from the editors table of India Today Magazine who cry ” Why and How we must fight now. “
Now this is where Fascism starts in its full phase.
The Voice is intolerant, loud and clear.
“Enough is enough.
Stop your non-sense. What I speak is the only truth.”
Convenient.
Simple.
easy to understand.
No Explanation Business.
We think you are disgusting.
But dudes, It happens. Truth is tough to understand and accept. There is no other choice.
Dear Ms.Roy,
You seem to have a selective Amnesia. You tend to forget 9/11 happened first and then the invasion of Afghanistan/Iraq. You tend to ignore lakhs of Kashmiri pandits leaving like refugees in their own country. You tend to forget that people were charred to death in a train before the riots in Gujarat. You tend to forget the bomb blasts in Coimbatore, Bali, London, Madrid, Delhi.
For you, every thing is related to Kashmir, Palestine and Iraq/Afghan invasion!!!
Taliban, Alqaeeda and LET need not have to waste their resource... They have to just pray for few more "Elitist" like you to ensure the downfall of our country.
She is just intectually ejeculating at the expense of score of people both Hindus and Muslims killed in terrorist attacks in India. While Malegaon blasts were reprehensible, it was was not such an earth shattering event that whole of Mumbai ATS was so engrossed in probing only this for months together that it did not do anything to ward off imminent Mumbai attack.
Thanks TK Kidwai, appreciate the response. My points are : (1)Babri Masjid demolition was WRONG. (2) Do you deny that in history many temples were not destroyed or many hindus/buddhists/muslims/christians/sikhs/etc. not forcibly converted or killed?
These events cannot be used as justification for further crime. The terrorists cannot use any justification for crimes they commit and therefore must be treated as a Law and Order situation ONLY.
THEREFORE IMHO any linkage of terrorism with any other cause is not only wrong but self defeating and only serves the cause of terror.
This is my principle objection to the line of thought pursued by Ms Roy and other commentators.
NO JUSTIFICATION FOR A CRIME AND NO NEGOTIATION WITH TERROR.
Nani !
Sound debate requires equally educated and "open minded" intellectuals.
With your writings, and lop-sided hysteria/amnesia (whatever you are suffering with), you are trying to debate with an author, and also with a commentator.
You are recalling 4000 year old history (which has already been distorted to some extent). You seem to forget that Judaism, Christianity and Islam came into existence after that.
As a parent, one can't directly hold a "newborn child" immediately after birth. It needs to be cleansed, bathed, dried, clothed - and then the nurse will bring it to you for holding - and a child grows physically, matures without human intervention (with automatic divine timer). Ponder on this divine inherent timer - and learn morals.
For intellectual development, it requires good education. If you sow mango seed, you cannot reap apples.
There are inherent faults/cracks in 4000 years old religion and remain uncorrected to-date. That's what Madame Roy is trying to point out - the actual war is fought in Dalit Settlements, on the banks of Narmada, Koel Karo rivers, rubber estates of Chengara, villages of Nandigram, Singur, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, Lalgarh, and scores of slums and shanty-towns of our gigantic cities, including Mumbai (Dharavi).
Now, if you have read correct history -Somnath Temple was looted by "bandits" for 18 times consecutively for it's gold/silver and booty - and that bandit happened to be Nadir Shah. Shivaji was a bandit, before becoming a "King" of Marathwada, and then a "prisoner" - you know history of 4000 years.
Now on some moral science. Once a human-being (irrespective of religious affinities) trashes divine laws for personal gains / external influences, he/she loses respect be it a common man or famous personality.
What the BJP/VHP/RSS and Saffronites are doing is "sow seeds of mistrust" for its ultimate benefit "vote bank".
As a child I learned from my school teacher - Mr. Sharma. And I still remember / apply it to my personal life, and teach to my children. He said: if you want to progress - don't erase your competitor's progress line. Elevate your progress line above your competitors progress line. That's progress.
If India was capable enough to divide Pakistan, India cannot claim to be "great" or a mighty power in the region. If India needs to progress, it cannot trod / or progress on dead-bodies of its masses.
Great Britian who once boasted that Sun never sets in their territory, now became "Just Britain".
U.S.S.R. disintegrated
Now time is coming for the remaining super-power which is behaving in a berserk manner.
India has it's inherent fault lines which needs to be corrected by erasing the caste / creed / race / religious / colour / linguistic lines. If we tow the dictates of Hindutva, legacies of British-Raj, Western imperial powers, or Mossad - we are doomed to go down the history lines.
I am glad you are saying "Babri Masjid" demolition was WRONG. Then, let's work together impartially, demolishing religious divides.
Jai Hind!
"An Indian" and Arundhati Roy are essentially pushing this 'everything under the sun' idea, to explain the Mumbai carnage! Their position is "Yes, Mumbai was bad, but there is an ongoing problem with poverty, inequality, casteism, infanticide and spitting on the streets( anything else?)."
India has just been a victim of a foreign military assault on its most economically important city, and lost 200 of its people. This is not the time to talk about the Narmada dam, the Roop Kanwar episode or Sukh Ram's stack of cash. India has to find ways to punish and isolate the single largest Islamic terrorist state, namely Pakistan. And yes, expose any American, British or Chinese duplicity in the matter.
Varun Shekhar / Nani !
Kindly watch this "youtube" video uploaded from a side-stream TV program. I would advise you both and other interested readers to please leave all other important tasks (if you have), and watch all five videos of Alex Jones TV under following weblink
http://www.youtube.com/
watchTV+z...hTV+z1DBJWRSkLE
Wise and interested readers are trying to find out what the "side-stream media" is saying, as the "mainstream media" has built "FORTRESS of CENSORSHIP" under behest of their respective governments - they have their own agendas which is invisible/unknown to common citizens.
These fortress walls are created under "FALSE sense of FEAR" which is imposed on its citizens. Cause: Their unpopularity/failure to protect their own citizens. How to gain importance or pass draconian laws? Create a scenario using it's own machinery employing terrorist (it's easy task of ISI / RAW / Mossad / KGB / Mi5 / CIA, etc.), kill it's own citizens, show on mainstream media (half-truth / half-lies), impose "NATIONAL SECURITY" label, and rule unquestionably or return to power at whatever cost.
One last piece of advise - we have "our own internal problems" and we need to solve these internally. I think we as "Indian citizens" don't have time / nor any need to point an accusing finger at other countries' issues / problems.
Remember George Bush sent an aircraft violating north Chinese airspace for obvious spying. The Chinese sent their own air-force planes, brought the American aircraft to Chinese ground, stripped the American aircrafts' every spare-part - and made George Bush Administration to apologize. Moral: Look at our own problems and solve them; instead of looking at other countries' affairs or pointing an accusing finger.
Good Luck to Varun Shekhar / Nani, and all the interested visitors to this web-site.
An Observer.
What a shallow comparison, "An Observer". Again, all evidence- and what more evidence is required?- points to Pakistan, its military and its Islamic terror groups like the Lashkar-E-Toiba. Yes, Americans have done perfidious things in the past, in Chile, in Congo, in El Salvador etc. But this is not the time to raise those issues, simply because Mumbai has nothing to do with it. Interesting that you should mention China. With all the repression and human rights violations there, aprticualrly in Tibet, there is almost no terrorism of the kind we see directed against India. India and China have great, one might say profound differences in how they define terrorism. To the Chinese, a terrorist is someone who merely questions or opposes the Communist Party, the Politbureau or the Red Army.Thus Falun Gong, discontented Tibetans and Tianamen Square victims are terrorists. Indians see terrorists as people who hijack fishing boats, decapitate the crew, then embark on a massacre spree in their largest city.
Varun Shekhar !
As you seem to be informed - Americans perfidious things did not end in Chile, Congo, or El-Salvador - but in former Yugoslavia (to disintegrate), Iraq (false pretext of WMD), Afghanistan (to punish Bin-Laden - whom they are unable to trace to-date or bring him to justice for alleged "ALLEGED" 9/11 involvement), Palestine (using their surrogate Zionist government) and scores of other countries (I do not wish to mention on this platform - cause: out of context), including the current one we are discussing - where India is "wishfully" and "wrongly" thinking of becoming "another surrogate" of a liar American administration. I would not hesitate to write about the "Perfect farewell gift" - TWO SHOES to a sitting American (World) President.
Open your eyes (and mind-set) - the terrorists (who are dead) as per our Indian channels were "fair", clean-shaved (unlike Madrasa trained Muslims), some were speaking perfect Marathi language (unlike Pakistanis), wearing pink wrist bands (unlike Muslims - if you happen to see their published pictures).
If you want to ignore these vital facts - it's up-to you and your thinking.
Good Luck.
Kasab is not an American or an Israeli, "An Observer"; he is a Pakistani, and his own family even says so. So stop the nonsense about the US. India will have broad based, intelligent relations with the US( and with many other countries). Sometimes agreeing, other times disagreeing, still on other occasions being neutral. India will, if anything, be more like France. Not like Chile under Pinochet or Philippines under Marcos.
Why only Kasab is alive Varun Shekhar? Why other terrorists bodies been mutilated (beyond recognition, including eye-lids)? Why post-mortem report's not made public? What's there to hide? Why did British, U.S. and Israeli delegation visited India immediately following Mumbai carnage? You need to find out who were the other terrorists that were used?
I wish India will, if anything, be MORE INDEPENDENT (UNLIKE France - India is multi-lingual, multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-colour, and multi-whatnot...).
Lastly one small advise to our wise readers - less than 3 million Palestinians cannot be handled in 60 years using superpower U.S. and Zionist Mossad in a tiny Palestine (smaller than the smallest Indian state). India has roughly 150 million Muslims, and 200 million or so other minorities. And remember, we are not any super-power, nor can we become one. In our last war with Pakistan when we divided it into two, the war lasted for 18-days, and we (as Indian citizens) had to pay Bangladesh Relief Fund Tax for over two decades.
Do your own maths, if you are trying look at our neighbour again or trying to mis-treat Indian minorities. Only just treatment will solve our problems, not drawing out daggers. It will only worsen common man's problems and you can guestimate the ultimate beneficiaries living in palaces.
Tera nahin, Mera nahin, SABKA BHARAT MAHAAN.
That sounds like a threat, "An Indian" as well as an apologetic for the awful policies of the neighbouring countries. Basically you are saying that India must be ultra-idealistic, or else face more terror, including from countries like Pakistan and Saudi, whose ideologies and policies you seem to fully approve of. I'm sick of the conspiracy theories of people like yourself and "An Observer". They are asinine and tasteless. Not to mention totally wrong and mendacious. It is remarkable that India captured even ONE Pakistani terrorist alive. They were all ferocious killers on a suicide mission to kill as many Indians as possible, before dying themselves. And yes, Kasab is a Pakistani( as are all the rest). He is not an Israeli, an American, a neo-Con or a Brazilian.
Looks like you live in "a wonderland" all alone on a remote island, not in India. It's NOT the POLICIES of our neighbouring countries, we (as Indians) should be concerned - it's the STRENGTH, especially NUCLEAR.
If you (or any wise / unwise decision-makers) wishfully think our air-force is capable of flying one-man or even un-manned missions with whatever intent - then the Indian Air-Force and the decision-making commanders (in the Parliament) must think TEN TIMES.
We just lost 260 or so lives last November. With an un-regretable mistake (by whoever), MILLIONS OF LIVES can be AT STAKE in the sub-continent.
This is not a "silly threat", but an "actual reality". A good example would be - without knowing the "mantar" of a scorpion-bite, and trying to put a finger in a snake-pit.
FYI (for your information) - NUCLEAR WEAPONS can be stored NOT ONLY on GROUND (or underground) but in space - on SATELLITES, and can be activated using a REMOTE CONTROLLED DEVICE from thousands of miles away.
I do not wish to answer your other naive illusionary remarks - you are deviating from the topic. And are unable to comprehend (dissect) the complexity of confusion and smoke-screen plots from your "masked bosses".
Since YOU decided/verified/certified, Kasab is a real name, a clean shaved Pakistani (wearing an orange wrist-thread), and the rest of dead / mutiliated terrorists were ALL PAKISTANIS. Thank you. Families of dead ((and millions of Indians and worldwide citizens who watched 60-hour episode on TV channels)) are awaiting "an official report", a "post-mortem report", an "investigation report into the deaths of three high-ranking officers", and answers to those (brushed-aside) unanswered questions.
And, since you seem to be impatiently eager - start flying "one-man missions" - so that Sane Indians can live in peace.
An Indian
India can first and foremost break off all ties, economic and diplomatic, with Pakistan. Get Pakistan isolated internationally. Carry out selective strikes on military, Islamic militant and ISI targets. And yes, if absolutely necessary, activate India's own nuclear weapons, if Pakistan gets disgusting ideas of using its own bombs.
Well thought of strategy Varun Shekhar. Since you already decided on behalf of 1 billion (plus) Indian citizens - you imposed yourself as a "dictator". Please start flying "one-man" missions so we can live in peace.
An Indian.
One last thing Varun Shekhar. Before your wishful strategy (posted by you on 01/04/2009) can be implemented - we need to deport KASAB to Pakistan. The world can see KASAB turning into KISHEN and confessing he is actually from a remote village in India, and a product of some Ekal Vidyalaya or RAW.
Then, KISHEN can also reveal the dead team-mates' (other terrorist's) identities and the identities of all those who hired the team, paid, trained, gave a road map, directed, and gave all logistical support and enough ammunition to last for a 60-hour episode.
An Indian.
Why would India do that, when Kasab's own family has identified him, and when all the other evidence, plus sheer common sense, points to Pakistan? As for the snide remark about the orange thread, no, it is not a conspiracy between Mossad, RSS, RAW or the tooth fairy. The Pakistani terrorists, after murdering the Indian fisherman, took their personal effects, including threads, to disguise themselves as Hindus.
We need to deport "Amir Kasab" so he can revert back to "Amar Kishen", so he can remain "Amar" (immortal) and answer all unanswered questions,
and:
a) to ease our (Indian) investigation authorities' work
b) to protect new investigating person(s) from being "coerced", "arm twisted", "manipulated", "dictated", "brought/sold" (like Lt. Col. Purohit/ Pragya Singh Thakur, etc.) or maybe the new investigator(s) will be forced to "close investigation files altogether" from pressure/power which has historically been used by our "honest politicians" be it ruling party or opposition
c) to relieve Indian Government from being pressured by Mossad, Mi5, CIA, RAW, and maybe ISI (since there is a common link between all these agencies) who are showing interest in the lone captured / alive terrorist
Citizens are closely watching our new Home Minister - Mr. Chidambaram, who is trying to "brush aside" all investigative questions that are unanswered. We did not forget there was a clear lapse on part of Indian Government in New Delhi of protecting innocent persons / foreigners who lost their lives, and the three high-ranking Indian officers who lost their lives in the "smoke-screen" terrorist attack.
Citizens are also watching Shri Antulay being hounded by "vested interest politicians", media, and others for his remarks which are being "mis-quoted", conveniently setting aside his services as C.M. of the very state where the November 2008 terrorist attacks occurred.
Anyway, since whichever political party hired "Amir Kasab" or maybe actual "Amar Kishen" - that party has lost the elections in three states. It doesn't make much difference now - irrespective of whether or not an Indian vessel with it's crew were high-jacked in high-seas, a fishing trawler/dhingy ((which was supposedly laden with weapons/ammunition, food/ liquor and 10 armed terrorists with logistical support to last 60-hour episode)) was used to land on "JUST-COMPLETED" 7-foot WIDE JETTY on Mumbai shores, etc. etc. etc.
But all impartial Indians and world need to keep a "close watch" on any future such happenings, since "general elections" in India are due shortly.
An Indian.
Interested readers, Varun Shekhar, Nain and others, who are visiting this website.
Please read "solution seeking comments / suggestions" posted by "An Observer" on 12/16/2008 under an article authored by Prashant Bhushan titled "Lessons from The Mumbai Attacks" dated 12/15/2008
http://countercurrents.org/
bhush...ushan151208.htm
I'm sure Sane Indians and other readers will like these comments. Thank you, and
Good Luck.
An Indian.
Varun Shekhar !
We need to deport "AMIR KASAB" to Pakistan, so the authorities there can re-convert him to "AMAR KISHEN". We also need to deport him because, Pakistani authorities are now trying to disowe, based on a missing authentic Pakistani identity card.
When BJP/RSS/VHP can portray Pragya Singh Thakur to become a "Sandhvi" and are "tooth and nail" willing to support her even after an established Malegoan Blast connection, it may-be easy for Pakistani authorities to convert AMIR KASAB back to "AMAR KISHEN" who will confess belonging to a remote village in India.
The situation is similar to Nathuram Godse (killer of Mahatma Gandhi) not connected to RSS at anytime prior to killing our greatest leader who fought for Indian independence.
Good Luck.
As I know, ORANGE THREAD BAND is tied on-to wrist of Hindus, before going on an IMPORTANT MISSION.
That means - Indian fishermen wear orange thread bands, even when going for fishing.
Good, logical, and understandable explanation Varun Shekhar. I wish Shankaracharya endorse this, and it will become a booming business of selling "Orange Wrist Bands" for daily use.
Open your eyes and brain, and widen your thinking - instead of being a "yoke in an egg" or "frog in a well".
History is not created from newspapers articles, TV clips, or word of mouth. It is written by scholars after extensive research and analysis. Authentic history is preserved in "HISTORY BOOKS" in libraries and museums. If you get a chance to read, you will find it's different from newspaper reports.
That's why "Ram Mandir" promise could not be materialized - although BJP conveniently came to power and ruled its full term. Now they are looking for a new slogan - let's wait and see with our "open" eyes / ears.
An Indian.
Dear "An Indian",
My last mail on this subject. Your comments border on abusive and don't merit responses. You consider me as less than equal to the author or other commentators? Please take lessons on Indian culture.
Why have you brought BJP etc. into discussion? Please cleanse your mind of agendas before discussing anything.
You have not responded to my primary argument that there can never be any justification for Terror and your comments are going round and round without reaching anywhere.
All I can say to you is that you and your ilk will never find anything about either United States or Hindus or India as such. Good bye.
Thank you Varun Shekhar and Nani. Please advise us when any of you start flying "one-man" flights.
Your bravery may disappear in the inner pages or side-lines of mainstream media - although "Pearl Harbour Attack" is a documented history and was taken as pretext by U.S. to join in World War. This "vital fact" was only revealed to general public when "classified documents" were declassified after 50-years which now reveals U.S. Intelligence knew about suicide missions by Japanese Air-Force pilots, and STRANGE FACT is that U.S. silently ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.
Lastly, I have not received explanation to many of my questions, including the "ORANGE THREAD" worn on wrist by one of the terrorist, identity of fluent MARATHI SPEAKING terrorists, 60-HOUR AMMUNITION SUPPLY which was carried on a fishing/dinghy boat, etc. all of which directly relate to Bombay (Mumbai attacks). Forget it, BJP lost elections in the three states which they were eyeing for (I mean hoping to win), before these attacks.
Good Luck.
Dear "Nani"
My sincere apologies, if I hurt your feelings. However, please read all my comments, where I said you maybe elder to me and/or wiser, but I never considered you or any other commentators on Countercurrents platform, to be anyway inferior to anyone.
In-fact we must be grateful to Countercurrents for allowing us to post our comments, when the mainstream media is trying "tooth and nail" to disregard or even trash many "fair" comments from impartial commentators.
Lastly, not only me or my class (your intellectual language word "ilk" meaning class / type), its difficult for "the world" to find anything bad (due to smoke-screen) with U.S., India, or Hindus (as you said) - although it's not uncommon in India to witness atrocities - as M/s Roy mentioned in her detailed article. Actual facts will only be known after 50-years (i.e. after de-classification of "classified" documents) or maybe years after heavy-handed Saffronites' suppression, ill-treatment, demolishing of homes, places of worship, burning / slaughter of innocents, poor, hungry children, pregnant women, etc. etc. etc.
NO "ill feelings". I preach and practice "truth" myself and to my children, so they do not sway / astray - or believe anything at "face value".
Good Luck.
Nani, you are so right. "Countercurrents" is fine, as long as it presents a different perspective or gives us new information based on factual analysis. Even speculation is good, if it is reasonable and if the idea fits a logical, historical and evidentiary pattern. But some articles in CC, and of course long-winded and/or silly remarks by "Indian" and "Observer", go beyond perspective or healthy speculation, and enter into demagoguery and stupidity.
Simple logic demands that one must go to the "Root OF Terror" to "Root OUT Terror". The roots could be (repeat COULD BE) embedded on either side of the Radcliffe Line.
Innumerable articles have been published, including the one we are reading "Monster in the Mirror" - that roots to Mumbai Terror, are not on the other side - it's inherent on our side - inside India.
Try connecting the dots, using logic, and "common sense" (abundantly available in every human-being by "default") WILL LEAD to ROOT OF TERROR. Do read mainstream media, but also look "WHAT's BEHIND" - as the conspirators are trying to HIDE using the same mainstream media, many readers are blindly following.
Well Wishes and Happy Republic Day.
An Indian.
We now know that Kasab is a Pakistani from the town of Faridkot; that the killers came in a boat with a Yamaha motor sold by a Pakistani ditributor, that they had soaps and detergents bought in Pakistan; that they were using Thuraya company cell phones; that thr weaponry is Pakistani. So there's no need for "An Indian" to indulge in obfuscation and diversion.
Varun Shekhar !
Initial news coming out of mainstream media was that terrorists (hired, trained, financed, and supported by WHOEVER), had boarded an Indian Vessel, killed the "captain and crew" and then landed on Mumbai shores.
So, the terrorists landed Mumbai shores on Indian Vessel or a boat powered by Yamaha Motors, purchased by whoever, wherever?
You want us to believe that Indian Navy, allowed the terrorists to land Mumbai shores safely (conveniently looking the other way - ignoring advance intelligence warnings), allowed them to SAIL IN SAFETY, off-load WEAPONS from a boat powered by Yamaha Motor (your words)?
Do you know Indian Navy has captured and killed Somali Pirates in international waters, after Mumbai Terror Attacks? I am not questioning Indian Navy's integrity or capability, but your naivity?
Commentators on this platform have earlier asked what's the DWT of that rubber/dinghy boat? How does a small rubber/dinghy boat be sufficient to carry 10-terrorists with weapons, ammunition, and supplies to last for 60-hours against brave India, a regional and nuclear super-power?
We need transcripts and identity of Mr. Hemant Karkare's cell phone calls from Indian Cell Phone companies - don't try to distract by "parroting" HMV.
There is no need for "diversion or obfuscation" (as you say), BUT AN IMPERATIVE NEED for an IMPARTIAL and UNBIASED Investigation for Mumbai Terror Attacks.
An Indian.
What more proof is needed? "India Today" magazine has given the names and pictures of all the 10 terrorists now, and they are all Pakistani. Everyone knows that the Lashkar-E-Toiba supported by the Pakistani military carried out this attack. Including the Lashkar themselves! There's no need to bring in Jews, Israel, Mossad, CIA, Somali fishing boats, Indian anti-piracy on the high seas, or German beer companies.
"India Today's", reports are not words spoken by "Satyawadi Harish-Chandra", nor are our Indian Politicians any trustworthy.
I do not blindly believe in whatever mainstream media says, as they are dancing to the tune of their masters. That's one reason CounterCurrents is becoming popular, and people are writing on this platform.
Naive citizens are blindly quoting or believing whatever is written on mainstream media. Our politicians / political parties are gaining popularity, playing with innocent citizen's lives, property, support, emotions, faith, and belief.
Happy Republic Day.
An Indian.
Then come up with far more convincing proof that Mossad or CIA were behind the massacre. The evidence given by the Indians is convincing for most people. "Countercurrents" has merely speculated; it hasn't produced any evidence linking the massacre to the US or Israel.
Mr. Varun Shekhar !
Cooked-up and tainted Indian dossier has been released in respect of recent Indian Terror Attacks.
http://countercurrents.org/
hansa...hansa050209.htm
If you have time, please read Raveena Hansa's article under title "India's Terror Dossier - Further Evidence of a Conspiracy".
An Indian.
Now "An Indian" and "Observer" definitely look like fools, for all their innuendo and insinuations these past few months.
Kasab has confessed, and the confession took even his lawyer by surprise. Kasab has not been mistreated; if anything, he's been given royal treatment by the Indian government.
Kasab has said that the major reason for the guilty plea, as opposed to his earlier non-guilty one, is that Pakistan has claimed him as one of their citizens, whereas before Pakistan was denying or doubting that he was Pakistani at all.
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