Condi a lesbian? I think I already read about that in DUH! magazine.
So how does Randy Bean react when asked if she is a lesbian? Is it wrong to investigate Bean and her past relationships to find if Condi is a lesbian? I think we are hungry for more, Mike.
why was barbara mikulski taken off your list of Senators?
Mike writes, "And as she sits silently by, the very men and women who carry out our foreign policy are hounded by their country and stand to lose their livelihoods for exactly the same thing."
What are you talking about? Rice publicly welcomes a gay diplomat's same-sex partner and his family [as I reminded you earlier today by sending you that swearing-in quote from October 10, 2006], and instead of pausing for even the briefest moment of gracious acknowledgement of her decency, you use it only to slam her for hypocrisy. It appears your definition of hypocrisy is loose enough to sail the Queen Mary II through. But aside from that, what is your basis for saying that American foreign service officers "stand to lose their livelihoods"? Please be specific, which means more than a recitation of Bush's general horribleness regarding gays. What threat against gay diplomats is afoot? Isn't what this administration has actually done bad enough without your needing to make stuff up?
Oh Jesus, another self-hating fag has showed up to try to defend a self-hating dyke...
Isn't there a Log Cabin meeting you should be running along to?
If it is self-hating to give credit where it is due; if it is self-hating to object to boorishness by people who show no sign of caring what the actual results of their negative tactics are likely to be; if it is self-hating to ask for evidence when someone claims that foreign service officers "stand to lose their livelihoods" -- then so be it. But what is going on here is that you are not interested in having a rational, honest, or civil discussion, you just want to vent your rage, so hurling insults is your only response. But insults are not arguments. It is ironic that you seek to wound me by calling me a Log Cabin member, since recklessness and zealotry could well do more harm to the Democrats (of which I happen to be one) than the GOP. You may prefer vengeance, but I do not. I want to advance gay equality, and playing on the public's homophobia (which outing clearly does) is hardly a way to get there.
No, Zed, Rosendall raises a legitimate point. No one has been fired at Rice's State Department for being gay.
That's what Rogers won't tell you. In fact, Rogers is just a toady for a Democratic establishment whose job it is to out gay Republicans.
Too bad our nominee will probably be Giuliani. That will make Rogers' head explode. And if Rudy happens to pick Rice as his VP, Rogers will have to take his schtick and retire. It gets old.
Rogers can't concede that Rice is a decent person who is not only gay-friendly, but might be gay herself. Rogers has to carry water for the Democratic Party establishment, which is the usual old news.
No one's being persecuted at State. Condi's policy is to let gays and lesbians serve in the Department. In fact, she specifically told Ackerman as much in testimony.
It's a pack of lies, and Rogers knows it.
Section 8 and Richard are carrying for the RepubliCON party. We really don't care what you have to say and you don't have a clue whether anyone at state has been fired because they were gay.
You RepubliCONs need to stay on Drudge.com and leave the rest of thinking Americans alone. Log Cabin meeting at the restrooms at JKF at 9 PM, you two should be there.
GREAT WORK MICHAEL
sW,
Not only has Secretary Rice given public testimony on the subject as has been noted, but I personally have spoken with gay foreign service officers. How many have you spoken with? You don't seem the least bit concerned with either the evidence or the likely consequences of Michael's unscrupulous and vindictive outing tactics. You just want to vent, and damn the consequences. Please either explain to me how the cause of gay equality is helped by using a tactic that plays on people's homophobis, or admit that you are wrong.
yea why was mikulski removed?
um so if my dad cosigned my loan on my house, he has sex with me?
Ummmmmm... I think Mike's reference to "men and women who carry out our foreign policy" is referring to soldiers, who can be investigated under Don't Ask Don't Tell, and potentially booted out of the service, for co-owning a house with a member of the same sex (as Condi currently does). See the relevant excerpts below...
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"SLDN is aware of cases where servicemembers have been investigated for owning a home with a person of the same gender." Steve shared.
When I think of these men and women who have given so much for our nation it makes me, at the same time want to scream and cry.
A recent investigation into the Don't Ask, Don't Tell case of PFC Christopher Mastromarino by PageOneQ found that reports of the military citing Mastramarino's living with his gay cousin and his cousin's partner were cited in the military's arguments. The case, which had no evidence presented that indicated Mastramarino is gay, was dismissed last month. Mastramarino was a member of the Army's prestigious Old Guard.
Ralls told me that SLDN requested meetings with Secretary Rice when she was National Security Advisor. Those requests were never granted. "To my knowledge, the Secretary has made no public statements regarding Don't Ask, Don't Tell," Steve said.
"Silence," my friend and colleague Andy Humm of Gay USA told Raw Story today, "Gives consent." He is right.
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And as she [Condi] sits silently by, the very men and women who carry out our foreign policy are hounded by their country and stand to lose their livelihoods for exactly the same thing.
LOL. This is great stuff. Are they all gay???? Yikes. Well, it's really obvious. It's a nightmare though. The people I can't stand the most are secretly my people. Uggg!
Giving Condi Rice credit for decency for not firing State Dept. workers
solely on the grounds that they are gay is like praising OJ Simpson for not killing anybody lately. Is the bar for decency really that low?
Condi Rice had before her a daily briefing for Bush titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside United States." For months, there was known talk of hijacking airplanes. Bin Laden himself announced he was going to do something spectacular. Condi
was National Security Advisor then. But apparently there was one little thing about her job that she didn't care for: she didn't like advising about national security. She lied before the 9/11 commission, claiming she had never heard of such a threat, in the worst acting I have seen since Ali McGraw.
Naturally, Condi was part of the band of neocon sycophants that pushed for a war that was phony from the get-go except to proud but ignorant rubes like Rosendall and Section. Result: Nearly four thousand Americans (not including contractors) dead, and over six hundred thousand Iraqis killed and between two to four million Iraqis displaced by the lunacy and greed of Condi Rice, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, Perle, Feith and figurehead dunce Bush. And turning Iraq into a squalid toxic dumping ground of ammunition, mines and blood, with so many dead bodies in the Tigress River that it is now too polluted for fishing. The idea that the war was the result of "faulty intelligence," again, is something only the pea-brained still buy. Those pushing for war knew exactly what they were doing. Some decency.
Notice I haven't even started on Condi's muff-diving ways. Strictly on the topic of decency, Condi gets a score of zero foot taps and a hand signal of palm down.
You're wasting time guys. lol The libs just want to bash republicans for something, ANYTHING! I myself am a conservative, not even close to a modern day republican.
You know their plan. Keep throwing shit and hope something sticks. They have not and can not hurt Condi. It's just another try at bringing down the republicans, which is getting old, everytime a lib opens another door they hit themselves in the nose with it.
If libs really want to take control, offer better ideas instead of trying to insult or blame.
I think you're confused... It wasn't us liberals who hit ourselves on the nose with airport bathroom doors... or were sending IM's to underage pages....
We don't need to insult or blame... you closet-cases do it to yourselves.
Hey Ron, nobody is trying to "hurt" po' li'l Condi. I don't consider telling the truth about Condi "bashing" her. You still seem to think that being gay or lesbian is an insulting thing to accuse somebody of. It's not. If Condi's a lesbian we're all fine with that. We just want her to be honest about who she is. And not be a hypocrite.
Man oh man, you Republicans sure have a lot of gays in your closets. Hit yourself in the nose with the closet door, Ron. Over and over and over.
The truth always finds a way to come out. Heh.
she's uncle tom squared.
The only point is on Rosendall's head.
So she throws a bone to the glbt community once and while and you and your people want to give her a pass.
Well I say hell no! If she is going to work for someone bush/Rove/repugs that use homophobia to get elected and stay in office, then we have a right and a duty to reem her a new one if it comes out that she is one of us.
I love how closet-cases are so offended when some so-called straight is "truthed" aka exposed for being gay, while promoting hatred and people who profit from that hatred.
Kind of like a Jewish person assisting Hilter to gas the Jew, while being on the DL(down low) re: herself.
I guess since Larry Craig would service gay/bi men in airport bathrooms we should give him a pass also? Huh?!?!
I think Ron has a point. Look at the things liberals recklessly throw at Republicans: phony wars for oil that make us less safe, plundering the national treasury, war profiteering while our kids lose their lives and
limbs, making the Middle East its most volatile and America the pariah of the world, re-igniting the Cold War with Russia, which now does military exercises with China. Secret illegal domestic wire-tapping, torture, and shredding habeus corpus.
Picky... picky... picky. Admit it, you just don't like Republicans and it has nothing to do with their policies.
uhhh.....
"No one has been fired at Rice's State Department for being gay."
No, but the republicans tried to have that removed as a protection for a federal employee not too long ago.
The former head of the EEOC was a Bush political hack that tired to get that protection removed. In other words, the GOP would love to be able to fire a person for being gay from the federal service.
"Rice is a decent person.."
Anyone who works for the Bush Administration is morally challenged. Bush, perhaps inadvertantly, caused so much harm to this country that he can be considered an equivalent of a traitor. No foreign spy had ever caused as much damage to the national security of the US as did Bush. Working for Pres. Bush is tantamount to committing a crime.
Have we succumbed to Bush's Manichaeism? Must everything be good or evil, black or white? A gay-welcoming human resources policy at State is better than a purge. It is obviously not everything we want, but it is good. I think I have shown that I am well aware of the depredations of this administration.
As to State, in 2006 and 2007 I spent many hours combing through the massive annual country human rights reports to cull the LGBT- and HIV/AIDS-related entries. Scott Long of Human Rights Watch reacted to those reports as if Bush's depredations rendered those reports worthless, which ignores and disrespects the thousands of hours of work by hundreds of foreign service officers as well as the substantial independence that State has maintained over the years. My extracts are online at:
GLAA extracts of State Dept. Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2006 http://www.glaa.org/archive/
2007...ports2006.shtml
GLAA extracts of State Dept. Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2005 http://www.glaa.org/archive/
2006...ports2005.shtml
If worthwhile, gay-inclusive efforts can continue even under a president as reckless and unscrupulous as GWB, we can perhaps pause to remember that the government is not monolithic and that it contains many dedicated men and women, including gay men and lesbians. Their good work should not be dismissed or made light of for fear of giving comfort to Bush. There is PLENTY to fault him for.
Ron. Denial, denial, denial. Oh, and when we throw shit, it really does sticks. In fact republicans are drowning in it. Yucky conservatives.
"A gay-welcoming human resources policy at State is better than a purge."
Correct me if I'm mistaken, Rosendall, but the last orchestrated purge of what they called homosexuals was instigated by Joe McCarthy a half century ago, and 91 were booted.
Are you saying that Condi not doing that again shows her wonderful decency that some dimwits here are talking about?
Condi and the State Department are being sued by Lambda Legal in the case of gay, healthy, African-American Lorenzo Taylor who passed all the difficult foreign service exams and is being denied employment by Condi solely because he is HIV+.
Condi is against hiring any new foreign service officers if they have HIV, no matter their health situation She is a hypocrite and a bigot.
like the joke said:
Q. How many Republicans--(i figure politicians all)--does it take to fill a closet?
A. All of them, Apparently.
freewebs/ourioni
Hey Mike, you know that it's BEANs and RICE, not the other way around 
This is the problam about working from within. you end up shoulder to shoulder with other gay folks and never know it, LOL. for christ sakes, if the GOP had a queer nation-style kiss-in (anybody remember those?) the country would roll off its fucking axis. are there any straight ones? diaper boy doesnt count.
The hypocrisy here is that she works for an admnistration that acts to restrict the rights of others who want to live with their partners. I think the real service of what Mike is doing is that he is showing to the anti-gay section of the Republican electorate how much of official Repulican Washington is, in fact, totally gay.
um so if my dad cosigned my loan on my house, he has sex with me?
Rich in Baltimore | Email | Homepage | 09.14.07 - 8:34 pm
--------------------------------------So is your dad a lesbian in the State Department?
Just for the record, and the Republican assholes on this board, CONDI IS A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!
That Bean has red hair, That would make it "Red Beans and Rice". Condi you skinny little booger, you got it goin' on ain't you girl. And all the while we thought George Bush was tappin' yo keg, ummm, ummm.
Nobody can be fired at State for being gay. That provision has been there for eons. And it's the reason why Michelangelo outed Pete Williams during Gulf ar I. His job was safe but the gays and lesbains who fought that war, requisitioned under "stop loss," were tossed out afterwards. That now-historic event pushed an overturning of the ban -- which resulted in the grotesque "Don't Ask Don't Tell."
So don't give Condi credit over something she has no control over to begin with.
Given the power she has -- and the manner she has chosen to excerise it -- she's little more than Roy Cohn in dress.
Nicer manners, of coruse -- whcih counts a lot for the self-loathing closet-cases who have been defending the bitch in here.
Out her, Mike -- then our her more! Out her until her goddamn cervix is a White House lawn ornament....
And, ummm, do please go back to outing staffers, okay? Unless of course they're willing to give you the big kitten-caboodle goods on their employers....
Otherwise, they too are Vichy, and deserve ZERO mercy.
Barbara Mikulsi was listed with a link to an outside source of information which is no longer on the web. I realized that, although I talked about her on the news once, I had not written the story here.
By the time I sat down a few weeks later, Mikulski had come out in opposition to the Federal Marriage Amendment. The point was moot.
Moot? Really? Nice that she's opposed to the Feral Marriage Amendment, but that's hardly a biggie. As Orson Welles' Hank Quinlan said in Touch of Evil, "Let her go and put a tail on her."
And yes, don't let up the pressure on the staffers. Buch of fucking KAPOS!!!!!!
Gee, what happened to all that talk last year about Condi running against Hillary? Funny how the righties shut their mouths. LOL! And now this. All the born-again wingnuts worshipped her. Well, if they thought she was so Christ-like, let's do them a favor. Let's crucify the bitch in the court of public opinion. If she wants to stand idly by while Bush and his cronies demonize gay people, let's make her a fiery martyr to the right-wing cause. But I get this feeling that not too many of them will be rushing to her defense. Gay, you know.
well, we certainly have a bunch of pissed-off log cabinette trash trolling this blog. are your tax cuts that goddamned precious to you?
does it give you a bit more loose change at the bars? screw the pricks.
keep up the good work, mike, and kudos to michelangelo for yet another "fresco" of gay repiglican
hypocrisy.
Condie has always been fairly obvious I believe. As for the so-called "log Cabin" republicans, I'd be cautious which ones a person trys to get get fired if I were gay. That one or ones are ya all's "inside source(s)" on right-wing secret stuff. They sometimes yell the loudest at activists to protect their real purposes in being republican "insiders."
I really wish folks would stop
playing armchair shrink and quit
using the over-used and inappropriate expression "self-loathing" when speaking of Republican closet cases.
For one thing, often within their own social circle and to some chosen colleagues, they are out. They put on a straight act for their audience of rubes, Fox News watchers, the flyover states.
For another thing, some of you are projecting your own sense of decency into others. You know it's a profound moral dilemma to be a gay person who works for an anti-gay party. You would feel shame in such a situation. Has it occurred to you that others would feel absolutely nothing?
I can't imagine one of them, looking in the mirror, shaving, and thinking, "Gosh, I am the hypocrite of all time, blabbering about Family Values and the sanctity of marriage. I really hate myself for doing that." But enough about Barbara Mikulski.
Jim West, the late anti-gay mayor of Spokane, told a young man he hooked up with that he was aware he was being watched. "The sex Nazis," he said to the guy. This is very typical, folks. The problem, as they see it, is getting caught. Period. They do not contemplate their navels all day and think what life is about or what is right and wrong. They are not self-loathing.
And all this time i thought condi was a man in drag.
I was on DailyKos and I linked to the Rawstory account, as well as Mike's great commentary on Condi. Surprisingly I got a lot of hostility.
The comments were along the lines of "What does her being gay have to do with anything?" Seriously missing the point, which is NOT that I was trying to foment outrage against her for being gay but for being part of the most antigay cabal in the country's history----even though lots of them ARE gay.
It's all about privilege for a select few in the inner circle of power, with nothing but bigotry and repression for everyone else.
One woman started a nasty scrap with me because she insisted that since SHE co-owned a house with someone and was not gay, then Condi's co-ownership with Bean "didn't prove anything." And all I said was that after having worked in real estate for 9 years or so, I had YET to see two people co-sign a mortgage (a lease maybe, but never a mortgage) that were not either related or romantically involved, but conceded in her case it was possible (though probably not in Condi's). Man, she went pitbull on me and started insulting me and claiming I was somehow antigay! Seems she had issues with people thinking she was gay since she co-owned a house with another woman and was all defensive about it.
People are NUTS on this topic, lemme tell you. I wish everyone would just come out and get it overwith.
One of the biggest points that I think people are missing here is the class one. Why is it okay for Republicans to excoriate gays in public but to welcome them in private?
The GOP uses divisive tactics to pander to their base. As we all know one of their targets is the gay community. They scare their base with threats that gay marriage will affect the sanctity of their marriage vows or with propaganda that gays can be cured (as if being gay was some kind of disease). They scare their base with all different facets of gay life (marriage, cohabitation, adoption, the types of things that PEOPLE encounter and deal with) but they treat their friends differently.
The real crux of this issue is the hypocrisy of it all. It is hypocritical to turn your back on GLBT issues but when it comes to your friends you promote them, you recognize their partners, and you socialize with them.
Let's face it, the difference is that the gays that Condi and other Republicans embrace in private are the ones that either serve a work-related purpose (strategists, journalistic plants, etc.) or they share a social class where the attitude is "I usually don't like gays but "X" is different because (fill-in the reason)".
Otherwise, the GOP treats gays as subhumans who are to be bashed, feared and exploited for votes from the family values crowd.
The only explanation I can come up with is that it is okay to be openly gay around a Republican if you serve a purpose or you're in the same social class and are willing to hang around with assholes that wouldn't acknowledge your existence if you were someone who walked in from the street. We all know these types of people.
To me, this is just as much about a fucked class system as it is a gay issue. Why is it alright among some GOP leaders to socialize and embrace gays at parties and away from the prying eyes of the public at night and then spend all day oppressing gays? Why is okay to "give a pass" to and party with gays that are your friends while vilifying (or giving silent acquiescence to abusive policies and behaviors) gays during the day in public?
Like many corrupted governments before this one, what the elites do in their private lives isn't how they are telling the peasants to do.
As a liberal dem who's definitely agreed with Mike Rogers efforts, even I pause on this one.
Outing hypocrites that are secretly gay and work against their own kind is something I support 100%. And I certainly could care less for Condi...her horrible neocon record of foreign policy and national security makes me want to vomit. She's as much of a failure in that regard as the rest of the Bush administration.
However...does she past the test of Mike's usual efforts of outing? Has she done anything policy or legislatively that's against equality for gays & lesbians....all the while having secret same-sex relationships/activity? If all those pieces fall into place, then I say she's as fair game as Foley or Haggard or whoever.
I haven't yet seen anything from her that's plainly anti-gay. But if there's something there, let us know!
Jeez, now I wonder if the "Dubya and Condi" affair is just a ruse they dreamed up to smokescreen the whole thing.
Reminds me of how appropriate the name Dave Chappelle made up for her actually is...
"Cunnilingus Rice"
If you didn't know, Rob, when there are human rights violations in other nations, it falls to our State Dept. to lodge disapproval or protest.
You can't even walk down the street in Iraq anymore if there are even untrue rumors about your being gay. There are abductions, torture and killings of gays and lesbians in Iraq, things that didn't exist under Saddam "Worse-than-Hitler" Hussein.
That is one of the results of neocon
Condi's meddling in Iraq.
The appalling trials and punishments of gays in such places as Zimbabwe, Cameroon and Iran. I haven't heard a peep out of Condi's State Dept. or out of Condi herself. I can also shoot down the argument of Condi's not being sufficiently anti-gay to deserve outing. She is, unless everybody's lying, Bush's favorite, who always has access to him. So great is his respect for her that his nickname for her is Guru. It is not by any means a stretch to say that if Guru had advised Bush to knock it off with his anti-queer policies, there's a good chance he would have.
I can also shoot down your argument by reminding everyone that one of the Republicans' favorite tricks that occurs right before elections is blanketing rubes' cars- well, actually pick-ups, with anti-gay fliers. They invariably carry the message that homos will marry if you don't vote for Republicans. Of course, they carry pictures of Adam and Steve in liplock. There is no way in the world that Ken Mehlman, a gay man who was chairman of the RNC, wasn't aware of that. Question: Although Kenny didn't PERSONALLY put the fliers under the windshield wiper blades, is he not accountable? Do you actually have to have your DNA on something to be considered responsible? Same with Condi. She is 'way high up on the Republican food chain, and she knows precisely what is going on in her party's gays-are-the-bogey-man campaign. That, I argue, in itself, is sufficient reason for her (homo)sexuality to be a valid issue.
Don't forget, Mary Cheeeeney has an ILLEGITIMATE CHILD, grandson of the infamous, DICK Cheeeeney. And last but certainly not least, Lynn Cheeeeney writes lesbian novels. Interestingly you just can't find a copy of her book anyplace. But you Republicans Google Lynn and see if you can find her lesbian novel anyway. It's as hot as she is.
There were many Jews during the reign of the Nazis who could not be labelled "anti-Jew". They were simply expedient in their assistance with law enforcement actions and cooperation with the SS. Today's elite liberal may argue in the convenience of hindsight that these helpful Jews (or Kapo) had no right to work as faithful assistants to the Nazis. On the other hand, white male Log Cabin members would strongly support the Judenrat and Condi as being approppriately concerned that some Jews (and now gays) were not playing by the rules and unfairly rebelling against authority by seeking to violate the sanctity of marriage.
Whether Blacks should have been given the extraordinary responsibilities of freedom before they were ready, or whether Jews were trustworthy enough to monitor the obedience of their own kind, and today's question of whether the homosexual community is mature enough to share in the rights of the Constitution delegated to sacred heterosexual coupling - - - these are all debatable by groups such as Log Cabin who have every right to question a lifestyle community that has not shown proper allegiance to the Commander in Chief and dares question Bush's policies. The bottom line is that the Right-Wing never once mocked or demonized Janet Reno. GOP leaders such as Rush Limbaugh only spoke of Janet Reno in the most reverential tones and no mention of lesbian was ever uttered. It is time the liberal left learned these lessons of respect from conservative organizations such as Log Cabin.
"No mention of lesbian was ever uttered" about Janet Reno.
I'll say it wasn't. Especially by Jan herself. She denied it on the rare times the issue cropped up, explaining that she was "an awkward old maid." Some respect, Davis. It's just plain silliness when you give somebody a pass only if he or she will not say something. It would be great if life worked that way. Someone could say, "I don't have cancer," and poof! It disappears.
davis, get your head out of your ass.
the log cabinette trash deserve no respect. they stand by idly while their precious party spews hatred toward openly gay men and women.
Hmmm ... I fail to see how any of this will actually improve how our government functions, and improve our daily lives.
"Man, she went pitbull on me and started insulting me and claiming I was somehow antigay! Seems she had issues with people thinking she was gay since she co-owned a house with another woman and was all defensive about it."
It's screamingly obvious that she's a closet case.
If she hasn't personally advocated homophobia or anti-gay policy, I don't know what good crucifying her can really do. I think it might just make her appear like a victim and any gay activists involved in it like villians.
I am sure, if she is gay, she will irritate someone in a position to know sufficiently that he or she will out her. She is, after all, highly obnoxious and it could only be a matter of time.
If you are tuff and you have a low voice
you cannot be omosex (many times homosex do have a low voice)
If you are kind
you have a soft voice and you behave with humanity, you most be a homosex.
In the army you cannot be kind to anyone
probabilly only who allowe is brain wash and do not have
humanity can make career.
probabilly there might be no space for humanity if you want to remain in the army, all they might have to look alike.
This might be the probable real reasons to the metter.
The usual rules of several lobbie is that there cannot be people with personality everyone has to be standarized.
That is probabilly why Mastromarino had the honor of the court martial,
The court martial gave to Mastromarino the chance of getting out of a probable negative experience because he might have had thechance of been a martir for part of the country which still believe in humanity.
Before all, a soldier has to be primarelly human
in his duty.
United States of America has been founded with the phrase: "IN GOD WE TRUST"
The US Army has to stand on human bases acording
to the most important article of the USA constitution
wich in GOD remitt the future of the country.
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