Darn it! I commented, then closed out of the box before it actually posted. Oh well.
As I said in my first comment that didn't work, this post makes my mouth water!
The main reason I hate enviroweenies is because so many of them stink due to lack of showering and the use of deodorant. BO like this gives me the dry heaves ... and that my friend, ticks me off.
Are you aware that when you introduce a new species into an environment, it changes the environment?
Ecosystems are very delicate, and if you put the wrong thing in the wrong place, it can change the entire thing.
The environmentalists are simply trying to protect every other thing living in that ocean from a vast environmental change.
You're just thinking about the next thing you want to eat.
Don't you think that's maybe just a titch selfish?
awwwwwwwww sorry Toast dude..not a fish eater cuz Pisces dont like to be eaten..haha...but yes yes I sympathize ..they do tend to "pick and choose" their lil causes dont they~! 
I have stated several times that the rapid expansion of wild hogs in the country could feed millions of people.
And we could feed the hippies to them too.
"Ecosystems are very delicate..."
That statement is only true if you want to keep them static, never changing. In truth, ecosystems are extremely vibrant, Susan. A glance at the Chernobyl area, which had radioactive wasted dumped on it only 20 years ago is now more teeming with plant and animal life than it has been in 80 years.
Environs change on their own, they change with nudges from humans, they change with every new species that appears on the planet. And change is good. In the case of the king crabs, change is GREAT!
When you start thinking that ecosystems are fragile, remember that Europeans came to America and killed ALL the buffalo, yet the ecosystem chugged on, and in fact, land that could only feed 6 million buffalo eating people in the great plains now harvests crops enough to feed 900 million people.
We also killed all of the wolves, most of the eastern deer and turkeys, fished abalone to near extinction, the list is long. And yet the environment chugs on, and again, produces more than it ever has in the history of the planet.
That's not fragile, that's resilient. Don't fear change, at least not if it's change for the better.
I didn't say fragile, I said delicate. I didn't say they are destroyed, I said they are changed.
Are you aware that a carrot, or an apple, or any other vegetable we grow now has fewer nutrients in it than it did 80 years ago? Yeah, we may be able to grow 5 carrots where we could only grow 1, but if the 5 carrots have no nutrients, is that a good thing?
And I don't understand how you can state with such pride that we killed off so many species.
We live in a society where more is never enough, and it's killing us.
"And I don't understand how you can state with such pride that we killed off so many species."
It's not pride, just fact. It happened. I only mention it because it's proof that ecosystems are vibrant and adjust easily to everything we throw at them. I'm not proud that we killed them, but I am glad, since less people had to go hungry because of our actions.
"Are you aware that a carrot, or an apple, or any other vegetable we grow now has fewer nutrients in it than it did 80 years ago?"
I find that difficult to believe and would be very interested in looking at that study if you could link it. As a small-time farmer (more of a truck garden really) I have grown organically and not organically. I can tell you as a fact that while organic vegetables do taste almost as good as their non-organically grown counterparts, they are smaller, kind of splotchy looking, and you get about 1/3rd as much per acre. NTY.
"We live in a society where more is never enough, and it's killing us."
Except we're not dying! We're living longer, there are many more of us, and the average person in this world is better off than his ancestors. And we'd be doing even better if we didn't have environmentalists, since we'd be using much less organic fuel and much more nuclear fuel right now.
Of course, our scions will be in trouble if the human population doesn't get checked, but unless you are considering forced abortion or forced sterilization, 'more' will continue to be just barely enough. And 'less' would be murderous.
Anyway, I'm just jazzed that I now can say one good thing about the USSR. They tossed some big crabs in the Baltic Sea. Good job, USSR! Someone will get supper tonight because of you.
Link to the nutritional decline of produce: http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/...t/full/23/6/
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Are you aware that obesity has been officially declared an epidemic? And obesity is considered the 2nd leading cause of death in the US behind tobacco? Would you not call that a direct result of "more"?
And have you ever stopped to think that maybe we wouldn't need to plant king crabs elsewhere if we hadn't overfished them and altered the environment where they already lived, potentially making it less inhabitable for them?
It's pure ego to think that we should take everything on this earth and tailor it to our wants. Don't let your mommy fool you, you are not that special.
I think you're special Kevin. 
That report is interesting. Thanks for linking it! 6 out of 13 nutrients in vegetables have declined slightly in the last 50 years, and 7 out of 13 nutrients have either stayed the same or increased slightly in concentration. He pins the reason for this on the cultivars we now grow for extra flavor or ease of shipping, not the method of growth. Which means you can grow the old variety if the change is important to you. I am pro-garden, so I say, "Do it!"
Regardless, the trade-off is more than worth it. A few nutrients are ~10% lower, but production is up 100-800%. Take an extra bite of those beets on your plate. Problem solved . More than solved, really, since you are getting an extra amount of the other 7 nutrients tested.
"Are you aware that obesity has been officially declared an epidemic?"
Yes I am. It seems kind of silly to me to call the choices people make an 'epidemic', but thanks to the Soviets, we have the solution! More low calorie king crab for everyone! God bless those atheist Soviets.
"...have you ever stopped to think that maybe we wouldn't need to plant king crabs elsewhere if we hadn't overfished them and altered the environment where they already lived..."
Yes, I have. There are millions of the things walking the ocean floor near Alaska and Siberia. There would certainly be even more of them in the Bering Sea if we didn't eat them. But then they would be of no value to us. Who cares how many crabs are down there if we aren't eating them? Now that they roam the Baltic and North Sea, we can have our crab and eat it too!
"It's pure ego to think that we should take everything on this earth and tailor it to our wants."
I believe you meant 'use' instead of 'take'. Regardless, you seem to be missing the point. If you are against mankind farming the oceans, why aren't you against us farming the land? Are you unhappy when someone replaces an acre of grass in Iowa with an acre of corn? If not, why? They are destroying that acre of land's ecosystem, ya know.
And quit calling my mother a liar!
Thanks Sunflower Desert!
I wanted to be infuriated by your response, but that damn wink at the end amused me. Grrrr........
I think we do misuse and abuse farmland, and I think we're paying for it now, and will pay even more in the future.
But, a plant doesn't typically fight for resources in the way an animal does, and therefore isn't likely to impact the surrounding area in the way an animal does.
And while we do sometimes use,
we more often take, hence the afore mentioned deteriorating animal populations.
This discussion has reached it's logical conclusion. We agreed on things, and we disagreed on things. But we were always civil! So I say, "let's celebrate".
Here's my plan for the celebration, and it's less than $100! Clarified butter is extra.
Heh. I'm sorry we disagree. But with the population of the planet exploding and no clear way to put it in check, the only answer to the problem is to convert more land (and sea) to the production of food. If you have an answer to the problem of human overpopulation, I'm all ears. But until then, I'm for maximizing production of all things edible.
You are such an idiot. There was no damage done because they were trying to protect it BEFORE it got bad - its called being pro active, and being brave enough to stop something before it happens. You know nothing about how this earth works. Didnt you take Science? Ecosystems cannot be abruptly changed. There is a delicate balance that took thousands to millions of years to form, that will have dire consequences if messed with. Dont you know this? Dont you know of the stories that exist?
Are you so such a narccisist and a glutton that you cant go without low snow crab prices? There is human suffering all over this world, where people have it a billion times worse than you. Get some perspective, and grow up.
"There is a delicate balance that took thousands to millions of years to form, that will have dire consequences if messed with"
Think Twice, that's simply not true. I've sited a few examples above of how man made abrupt changes to the ecosystem which benefited the poor and starving dramatically. This is just another example. Increase the food supply and the price goes down. That means the poor get to eat more. If you truly cared about the poor as you suggest, you should be all for this beneficial and tasty change.
Lastly, I couldn't care less what snow crabs cost. KING crabs is what we're talking about here. It's the difference between hamburger and filet mignon .
Kevin, holy CRAP you are misinformed! Dont talk about this anymore! Your bad information is dangerous!
Lets take your first example, Chernobyl.
ALL the waters surrounding are contaminated and ILLEGAL to go in or fish.
Those who lived in the area around the nuclear power station at the time of the accident have had mutations in their germ cells due to the radiation. Germ cells, sperm and eggs, are the "genetic building blocks of future generations." Thus, the children of such people can turn out disformed and disfigured.
Government still warns and arrests people that go in the contaminated villages. That plant life that you speak of is completely contaminated and will be for a long, long time.
About 760 children in the contaminated "Safety Zone" have been reported to have thyroid cancer. It is the children that has local doctors the most worried about. Doctor Oleksandr Urin reports that the immune system in the children is weakening. Birth defects have more than doubled inside the "Safety Zone". There have also been 9000 cases of liver and rectal cancer, which is uncommon in children of their age.
Lastly, there IS animal life there (yes, I read the National Geo article, too,) and here is a DIRECT quote -
"The scientists are also concerned that the mutated birds will pass on their abnormal genes to the global population.
"In the worst case scenario these genetic mutations will spread out, and the species as a whole may experience enhanced levels of mutation," Mousseau said.
"Great Irony"
Mutation isn't the only adverse effect of the radiation. Working in the Red Forest area, James Morris, a USC biologist, has observed some trees with very strange twisted shapes.
The radiation, he says, is confusing the hormone signal that the trees use to determine which direction to grow.
"These trees are having a terrible time knowing which way is up," Morris said.
Gaschak, the Kiev ecologist, believes such radiation effects will diminish over time. He is celebrating the way that Chernobyl has burst into life and hopes that the area will become a national park one day.
But Mousseau is less optimistic. "One of the great ironies of this particular tragedy is that many animals are doing considerably better than when the humans were there," he said.
---(oh yeah, this sounds great, Kevin. In fact why dont you move there? And hmmmm... 'better than when humans were there'? - see your stupid story about the crab....its ALWAYS BETTER if humans were not there...humans like you?)
First of all, Merry Christmas! I wish you and your family the best. Happy Chanukah if the 25th isn't your thing.
Now, down to nuts and bolts.
"ALL the waters surrounding are contaminated and ILLEGAL to go in or fish."
I will agree with you that laws have been passed to make it illegal to fish there, but the amount of wildlife in the area has grown by a magnitude! While it's certainly a bad thing to have a reactor almost go into meltdown, it gave us DRAMATIC proof that ecosystems are almost virulently vibrant. Not weak or delicate at all. If you ran a farm or even a small garden you'd be painfully aware of this fact already though.
Reading your comment, I'm wondering: Are you trying to tell me that being around radiation is bad? Because that's a no-brainer. Of course it is. I'm not advocating irradiating everyone. We agree it was horrible and sad.
I'm just saying that the fact that Chernobyl is quite the opposite of a 'dead zone' is more proof that the environment can take a lot of cr*p and still dominate. Chernobyl, Nagasaki and Hiroshima are the best examples of how our strongest weapons to destroy ecosystems pale in comparison to nature's abilities. I'm hardly saying spreading radiation around for the halibut is a good idea.
"---(oh yeah, this sounds great, Kevin. In fact why dont you move there? And hmmmm... 'better than when humans were there'? - see your stupid story about the crab....its ALWAYS BETTER if humans were not there...humans like you?)"
Thinktwice, you are quoting me as saying 'better than when humans were there'. Please don't use dishonest quotes on this site. You are fully aware I never said or implied that.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "its ALWAYS BETTER if humans were not there." If you truly believe that, why are you continuing to hang around on this planet? I'm not suggesting you off yourself, but I'm curious of your motive for continuing on if you think the world would be better off if humans were not there.
I'm not only interested. I'm intrigued!
Lastly, I'm starting to think you've never tried an Alaskan King Crab. They taste much better than the inedible snails and sea fleas they will compete with. In the ONE area progressives should embrace progress, they prefer stagnation, stasis. It's mind-boggling.
Blogi... where do you find the patience to deal with and/or respond to these still quivering, soon to be airborne... flies? And they seem to be coming to you like flies on... honey! I love the elitist, holier-than-thou-speaking-from-the-tower-of-
authority background echo they seem to generate, too. But I am concerned about their dissertations contributing to global warming.
I'm looking for the key that says "skip one, whilst farting upward"... (didn't want to get any in your air space).
Happy New Year, my friend!
Screw the greens we dont want their iidotic ideas and POLARBEARS ARE NOT ENDANGRED and THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING you miserble eco-nazis wont be happy till were all living a primative miserble exitnece having us cowering in our caves at a eclipes of the sun and sacrifising virgins to your pagan sun gods and GAIA the freak deities you worship and dancing and prancing through the city halls wearing masks and beating drums like many eco-freaks do
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