Rutgers - BC... about the same talent wise
Ken | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 12:15 pm | #

What a bunch of classless, no-talent ass-clowns. Also, Charlie should bitch-smack that AD. What an ass.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 12:22 pm | #

of course this hack job was in the Herald; it's about 1 step above supermarket tabloid. The thing to remember is that no one in Boston actually cares about BC football unless they're alums. I wouldn't be surprised if the only game that sells out at their high school field is ND because of their inferiority complex. the only BC sport that's marginally popular is hockey, but any given year there can be 2 or 3 better team in the city.

I would be willing to bet money that there are more ND football fans in Boston than BC fans. I grew up there and have always loathed BC.
Tom | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 12:24 pm | #

I'm a *Jesuit*, and even I hate B.C. football. It curdles my stomach to see the accompanying photo. Never in my life have I known a program that takes such little delight in their own accomplishments, and only delights in their role as Spoiler to ND. (Come to think of it, perhaps I exaggerate. Can any Red Sox fan talk about their team ten seconds without mentioning the word "Yankee"? Perhaps it's a Boston thing).

Other Jesuits deride me for not supporting the only D1 Jesuit FB program, but I tell them that I hope my superiors name me President of BC one day, just so I can sit in the stands with my ND hat.

Perhaps I should mention -- I was a freshman in South Bend in 1993. lol.. does that explain my anger?
Chuck | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 12:36 pm | #

We feel your pain Chuck. We really do. That was the last time I cried, and I'm man enough now to admit it.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 1:02 pm | #

I've been to a couple of games at Alumni Stadium. In the past, the only time they've sold out their 42,000 seats is when ND came to visit. I bet BC jumping to the ACC has more to do with ND stopping the series than the turf incident.

Rutgers probably won't be so demanding on a home and home series as BC, too.
Ray | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 1:18 pm | #

This is just like when the adminstration canceled "Circus Lunch" after the great south dining hall food fight of '87 (post Michigan victory).
Leo | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 1:34 pm | #

It's a moot point... after Charlie gets done with "Clown-shoe" College from '07 to '10; the last thing they'll wanna do is continue the series.

If it were up to me, I'd make a full size poster outta that pic and put it in the weight room. Plenty of add'l motivation to be found there.
Irish_Angst | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 1:40 pm | #

That's actually a great idea. We should have someone send a letter to the athletic office with a picture and a note for Weis. He'd love it.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 2:02 pm | #

Talent doesn't necessarily equate to competition. (see MSU/ND over the last decade or so, or ND/USC this year). As evidenced by their success against the Irish, BC is a very competitive opponent, notwithstanding their relative lack of talent. Couple that with the intrigue of two Catholic schools developing a rivaly, it's disappointing that BC is being dropped.

Keep in mind too, that BC is not the only school that has defiled Notre Dame Stadium. In the words of Lou Holtz, the solution to that problem is beating them ten staight times.

Go Irish!
Andrew | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 2:10 pm | #

I don't mind the "gas up the dingie" option for Fredo...although beating the hell out of them first is a nice touch.
BCblows | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 2:20 pm | #

I just hope Rutgers alum Tony Soprano brings some of the Bada Bing Girls to the ND series.
tony | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 2:41 pm | #

We needed to drop BC to keep the Big East commitment. If BC hadn't abandoned the now mostly Catholic conference to play in the South, we would have kept the series.

I think the BC AD is trying to shame ND into extending the series since it is the only team that they play that their fans care about. I don't see them getting excited for that BC-Wake or BC-Duke game.
Andy | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:11 pm | #

One BC fan's opinion.

http://atleagle.blogspot.com/200...amily- feud.html
ATL_eagle | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:14 pm | #

Weis is sick of Fredo and this is a way Weis can go to New Jersey during the season. I am also wondering if the decision was based on the talent in NY/NJ area recruits vs. Boston recruits.
Josh | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:15 pm | #

ATL

If BC can prove they actually want to compete for national championships, and not just compete solely to be a spoiler for other teams, then you might have a legitimate team and a legitimate fan base. But both your team and your fans go ape shit over beating a ranked team (ESPECIALLY Notre Dame), when it is completely commonplace for major programs to do so on a regular basis.

The phrase "act like you've been there before" summarizes all of this. Until you inject some class into your football program, you will get no respect whatsoever from not only our fans, but from the national media.

Stop acting like Fredo or that is what you will always remain.
Ken | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:21 pm | #

BC WILL win 2 national championships in the next 5 years -- and I hope they come to south bend and piss in the grotto.
Boob | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:22 pm | #

ATL, side question: do you agree with DeFilippo that the trashed locker rooms and destroyed turf were "not nearly as bad as it was made out to be?"
Jay | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:37 pm | #

Classy, real classy. Obviously not a Fredo alum. I don't think even a Fredo alum would hope they piss on a statue of Mary or a statue of a Catholic saint. Though they're not really a Catholic school anymore, so how can you really tell?
bill | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:37 pm | #

Boob, seriously man its only like 2 in the afternoon...stop drinking, and get some help.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:37 pm | #

I am forced to post again....2 national championships? C'mon man. Seriously. BC would have to learn how to win to do that (but boy did they try hard at Va. Tech! If only effort counted as points, whoowee!) I don't even know if I should laugh at you or pity you. Get some help man, really.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:40 pm | #

I don't know about the lockerroom. I heard it was one punched hole from our side and looked like a tornado from yours. I wasn't there but TOB is an anal Marine through and through and I know he would never let anyone start smashing ceiling tiles.
ATL_eagle | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:43 pm | #

hmmm

Brad you'll have to teach me about creating my own time zone.
Ken | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:44 pm | #

Ken,

It's pretty easy to make your own timezone, and you too can have one by following these simple steps...
1) Move to Indiana...I don't know how, but we seem to have like 7 time zones.
2) Bitch to your local congressman that you prefer your time a certain way. Then contribute to his campaign.

Honestly, I live about 15 minutes east of Notre Dame and I am soon going to be on a different time zone than them. Don't ask me how.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:49 pm | #

Man, ND fans are babies. You better stop playing Michigan State since they put their flag in your field. You have no idea what the trashing of the ND locker room looked like and to say that the BC is downplaying is foolish. Sounds like more sour grapes from Irish fans after losing.
nick s | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 3:55 pm | #

Sounds like Nick's and idiot. Did you even read that article? They should put BC's AD at corner with all the backpedaling he was doing. If he's gonna be an ass, he should at least come out and say "so what, quit whining." OR, and here is a truly novel idea...he could tell the truth! That ND has to get BC off its schedule to make room for worthless Big East schools, like it or not, due to prior deals.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:08 pm | #

Nick, you're missing the point. DeFilippo's the only one bringing up the vandalism issue, and he's using it to take a backhanded swipe at ND ("and believe me, it was not nearly what some people made it out to be"), coloring our cancellation of the series as an overreaction to something that happened three years ago.

Actually, there are much more banal reasons to discontinue the series, like the impossibility of trying to fit BC into an already-loaded future schedule.

What BC players did that day was petty and classless, but I doubt it's the reason we're ending the run. After all, if we were that hacked off about it, we'd be cancelling the games in '07, '08 and '09, don't you think?
Jay | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:12 pm | #

I was actually referencing the last line of the post about playing better competition, sorry I somehow left it out of my original post. Though I assume it's meant to be sarcastic, don't say they want better competition if BC continually beats ND. They had a commitment with BC and then loaded their schedule at a later date with the Big East agreement ending the agreement with BC, so I don't really think saying 'fitting' in BC is a fair argument when they were already on it and replaced.
nick s | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:23 pm | #

Hey, hasn't BC pretty much owned ND the past six or seven years? The answer is yes, whether we ND fans want to admit it or not.

I'm all for being proud of our history and tradition, but there's a reason people hate ND fans. These sorts of posts are it.

We've won exactly one more national title than BC has in the last 28 years, so I think we can ease up the superior attitude. I'd rather play BC than three Big East teams and whoever the magical 7th home game is going to be.

I'm not a BC fan, and I think the best ND shirt ever was the one that said "THIS IS NOT A RIVALRY" but we need to relax.
Keenan 4-West | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:24 pm | #

There's no reason to deny BC's owned ND the last 6 or 7 years, but is that really any accomplishment? With the sad coaching we've had I think it'd take a absolutely terrible, miserably coached team to not have owned us during that period (a la Michigan, Carr). What's truly sad (for BC) is that most of those games were close. I have the feeling the next four won't be.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:32 pm | #

I bet you weren't complaining about the poor coaching when ND donned their green jerseys after starting 8-0 under willingham in his first year until BC came into ND and beat them or 1993 after FSU victory. Sounds like more sour grapes from ND fans.
nick s | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:39 pm | #

Nick if you weren't such a complete moron you would realize that most ND fans first inkling that Willingham wasn't the sharpest crayon in the box was when he brought out the green jerseys against for such a non-game like B.C.

You also realize that was the end of his smoke and mirrors run, by the way. If you, as a backup college dude wish to take credit for exposing Chauncey, feel free.

Moreover, you're missing the point that your lying sack-o-crap A.D. put out a press release blaming N.D. for not rescheduling just to deflect criticism about getting snortforked by VaTech.

Worse, you fell for it.
Gazoo's Ghost | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:51 pm | #

Fredo, I will see you at the lake
kiddingme | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:59 pm | #

Nick, you can't finish every post with "Sounds like more sour grapes from ND fans" as if its some sort of tagline. I don't know how to properly explain this, but its just dumb. Secondly, where is all this sourness you speak of? We're all quite pleased at the moment with our team and our coach. And if you're betting I wasn't complaining when Ty had them wearing green against BC you had best never go to Vegas, cause you simply don't have the instincts of a good gambler. I actually threw beer at my television and broke, which resulted in me being forced to watch the game at a bar.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 4:59 pm | #

i didn't go to BC nor do i root for them, so he is in no way my AD. So then was Weis stupid for bringing out the greens against USC, or was Willingham's mistake not bringing the greens out the week before BC against Florida State. Or since USC was #1 it makes it okay? Not that I'm saying he's not a better coach than Willingham, because Weis is not only a better coach but in general is a great coach. But the greens seems like a strange place to have drawn the conclusion about big Ty
nick s | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:04 pm | #

i actually finished my second post without my tagline, good try though brad
nick s | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:05 pm | #

Keenan, I considered the last line of this post a jab based on last night's game as much as anything. I don't see much of a "superior attitude" anywhere, unless you're counting 1) BC players ripping up turf and vandalizing locker rooms and 2) DeFilippo calling us overreactionaries.

In any case, the point of the post is to question the BC side of the story, which I find of dubious veracity.
Jay | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:06 pm | #

Brad,
Regarding the time-zone issue. Imagine living in St. Joe county and working in Elkhart. I can't wait for that(sarcasm). At least I will get off work at 4 and have plenty of time to golf!
Nathan | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:07 pm | #

We are ending the run with BC because they infact are not our rival. It's not because we lost to you either. We lost to Mich St a bunch of times in the same time span and we are keeping them on our schdule. Why? They are our rival. The other reason we dropped BC is because they are no longer in the Big East. Have fun with Miami, Fla St. and Va Tech BC fans. You could have owned the Big least if you stayed but now you get to be the bitch of the ACC.
Jake | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:09 pm | #

ND schedules Big East team BC. ND makes agreement with Big East to play 3 Big East teams a year. BC leaves Big East.

Not exactly brain surgery. It has nothing to do with BC players being classless. It has nothing to do with constantly losing to BC (although that will change this year.) Its that BC moved to the ACC and left ND no other choice but to drop BC for a team that didn't move to the ACC, Rutgers. Mind you, Rutgers seems to be somewhat on the way up.
tedwick | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:29 pm | #

I have always thought it a shame that the only two division 1-A Catholic football playing schools can as of late not get along. Seems like this would be a natural yearly rivalry or game.

The rivalry has always been bigger for BC than for ND, that is true, but it should remain a rivalry for both teams, if nothing else because of their common religious background.
John B. | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:29 pm | #

Nick,
To answer your question, Ty was stupid to bring out the greens for BC.
John - ND | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:31 pm | #

One fact should end all of this bickering: Has anyone ever met an individual that was admitted to both ND and BC, and chose to attend BC? Didn't think so.
Gipper | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:46 pm | #

I was at the BC game after the 8-0 start and my first reaction was dismay when the team came out in the green. Why bring out the green for a game like that? Did BC even have a .500 record for the game? And I have been to few games that were as dead as that stadium was, from the very beginning. And how many times did we shoot ourselves in the foot with fumbles and the Pat Dillingham gift interception returned for a TD? And yet that game was still only 14-7? Ugly, ugly, ugly.

And my favorite BC tee-shirt was the one in the BC colors that said "Rudy Suck" on the front and on the back "but he would have started at BC". Classic.
opinion | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 5:49 pm | #

Jez Louise guys. For the Lord's sake stuff it.

What a bunch of whinny dribble.

ND folks. BC beat our ass over the past few years and cry as we might it is totally our fault and we suck. We hired Davi...sorry can't say his name. We hired Ty. BC beat us. Period. We sucked. Note past tense. But those who forget history are condemned to repeat it... (See Jerry Faust)

Now BC guys, you need a mission. Get in there and win the ACC..every year.

The reason ND and BC won't be playing each other is... who cares.

Now, relax. Stop posting. ND guys, find a girl friend. Try Holy Cross or IUSB. Go to Valpo if you must. BC guys, lay off the liquor and Meth. It's a rural drug anyway. Now if anyone posts one more comment, just one more, I'm gonna light a candle for you and stick it up your ...
Yago | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 7:06 pm | #

I've seen the "Rudy Sucks but he would have started at x" shirts done for a few schools. Personally, I think a more relevant BC shirt would be "Rudy Sucks...But he would have gotten into BC on his first try."
Leo | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 7:21 pm | #

no squabbles,just history

BC started with holtz in '93,the year before BC was undeafeted and ranked 8th in the nation and the irish won 54-7 or 58-7 I don't remember.Holtz tried a fake punt too.That really set things to blazing.He said he wanted to try it in case he needed it in a close game.I could be wrong about the fake punt,but there was something holtz did to try to run up the score.

next year,the famous,we beat the team that beat the team game,that statrted BC's winning ways

next year BC beat holtz again

holtz was 4-2
davie was 3-2
davie's best game I think was in '98 when BC had the ball 1st and goal with time running out and on 4th down deke cooper stuffed them back for a loss and the win at the goal line

ty was 0-3
of course ty wasn't that great over anyone when the 2002 defense lost it's spark

so what's the big deal.notre dame has not had the best of records for the past decade against opponents.I don't see the irish dropping USC,michigan,and/or michigan state

as far as the michigan state flag on the field.that will not be forgotten for a long time
rick | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 7:50 pm | #

AH....BOOB....kind of says it all, doesn't it???

I agree I don't believe that he's a graduate (or attendee) of U BICH (BC's new name...Univ of Boston in Chestnut Hill), as no Catholic would do that.
Domer95 | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 10:17 pm | #

Bottom lines for all of comments:
BC owned us when our coaches sucked. That's no accomplishment - we lost embarrassingly to a lot of bad teams over that stretch. Realistically, they haven't accomplished anything, ever (2004 Big East Conference Co-Champions - that is literally the whole list). The green jersey in 2002 was hideous and was brought out against an unranked opponent when we had everything to lose (thanks to "A bye named Ty"). Whether you consider BC a rival or not - they are unquestionably not on the level of USC, Michigan, Navy, etc. and should not warrant special attention. BC's players are reputably classless and love cheap shots - watch tapes of our games against each other if you don't believe me. They're in a conference with which Notre Dame has no affiliation, and we fulfill no obligation by playing them. They tore up our turf and locker room (the ceiling tiles had to be replaced - ask the Board of Trustees). I wouldn't trust Gene's version of the story, being that he has shown himself to have no integrity. I hope he makes some definitive statement now that this rumor has been started, but he has demonstrated nothing that would lead me to expect that. Finally, who gives a rat's ass if we "drop" somebody anyway? People get "dropped" all the time - otherwise we would play the exact same 11-12 teams year-in, year-out, forever.
Mike Steedle | Email | Homepage | 10.28.05 - 11:45 pm | #

Yago gets it.

We post in an echo chamber ... "bitch" "fredo" "wanna-be" over and over.

David vs. Goliath metaphor served ND well. Big 10's scheduling 'snub' of ND in the olden days sound vaguely familiar - even though that's not what this is.

The Fredo schtick is tasteless. The Godfather is a great story. But using it paints ND - or the Big East - whatever, as the Don, the powerful leader of a violence prone, falsely pious, tradition-laden 'family'.

You know how people love or hate ND? This feeds the hate. Give it a rest.
QuicKick | Email | Homepage | 10.29.05 - 11:48 am | #

Just a question guys, how does ND CONTINUE to say its no Rivalry when your own student government offers a huge trophy for the winner of the game, we are the ONLY two large catholic institutions in D1 football, and our schools are very similar when it comes to student body and academics. This breeds a rivalry, and you guys, just as much as the big BC online guys, spend hours on end talking about it... Yet you still like to say "its not a rivalry"... It undoubtedly is, and I hope to have it continue. No bad blood, I have family @ ND, and love ND Football when its not playing BC, but it doesnt make you better becuase you claim "its not a rivalry"
Doug @ BC | Email | Homepage | 10.29.05 - 6:12 pm | #

Any similarities between the two schools aside, we don't consider it a rivalry because we just don't consider the game to be any more significant than others, and much less significant than some. There are probably similarities between ND and every school it plays, but they can't all be rivalries.
Ryan | Email | Homepage | 10.29.05 - 7:38 pm | #

Doug @ BC,
There was a good post by El Kabong on ND Nation about the elements of a good rivalry or a rivalry itself. This isn't verbatim, but I think it's a pretty good summary.

1. The give and take of the contest.
2. The tradition of programs involved.
3. The length of time of the rivalry.
4. The magnitude of the contests on the larger college football scene.

I'll grant that 1 is met. Regardless of whether we both had mediocre coaches or even in '93 and '94 when we had a great coach, you've been able to take games from us and we've taken our share from you.

Two is questionable. I'll concede that the background of the schools are somewhat similar, but from a football perspective, BC and ND are on two different levels. The same would hold true for Purdue or MSU.

Relatively speaking, three hasn't been achieved. We've played in less than 20 contests, much less than USC, Navy or even Pittsburgh, and these have only been over the past 20 years. For a rivalry to be good or even exist, I think it needs to span generations and develop a history of its own.

Finally, four depends on your perspective. You would probably argue that '93 would meet it, but a better example would the tilts that pitted two contestants that both had NC title aspirations. I don't believe we've ever had that. And even if I did agree with '93, that's only one example.

Hopefully, this will help you see why many of us don't necessarily consider this a rivalry or at least, a good rivalry.
John - ND | Email | Homepage | 10.30.05 - 11:02 am | #

Doug @ BC,

Go have your team to win at least 7 or 8 national titles, 5 or 6 heisman trophy awards, all the while playing us 40 times in the next 50 years (although it might be too late for that). Then we can start talking about it being a rivalry.
Murph - ND | Email | Homepage | 10.31.05 - 10:05 am | #

Murph,
Do all your rivals have to stand up to that standard, in fact I dont think any of your rivals (except Michigan and USC) even come CLOSE to those numbers... so don't try and put yourselves on a high pedastal like that. Thats why people hate Notre Dame fans.
Doug @ BC | Email | Homepage | 10.31.05 - 9:39 pm | #

Murph was certainly more blunt about it, but you asked the question, and you've been given a fairly reasonable response in my post above.

The fact is that USC is probably the only rival that truly meets every one of those conditions above, which is why, in my humble estimation, the greatest rivalry in college football. Michigan actually suffers on #3. Even though we played as early as 1887, we had long periods of inactivity, some due to Yost's bigotry, which has led to a series of less than 30 contests.
John - ND | Email | Homepage | 10.31.05 - 11:48 pm | #

John,
I don't deny that you have some rivalrys much bigger than the BC/ND one. As I said in my first post, I am an ND fan as well, and the USC ND Rivalary is truely one of, if not THE, greatest rivalry in college football history (I think the only one that even compares is Army/Navy).
Doug @ BC | Email | Homepage | 11.01.05 - 8:26 am | #