Weis did what??? In over 40 years?? Ummm the on the field results has been on decline for like 10 chief. If you guys would lighten up the schedule and quit playing the most ungodly schedule to College Football, things might look better. But you got a a nice haul, I just hope Charlie gets the chance that Ty didn't to develop and see his players through.


P.S.-- Doesn't Tom Lemming give you guys the creeps?? Dude is so Pro Notre Dame its not even funny. Alot of peoplee are coming clean on dude, and they make him sound like Arli$$.
zippy | Email | Homepage | 02.02.06 - 6:47 pm | #

As Mark said, all the stars in the world don't mean much as you have to produce on the field. Lots of stories in the papers about one that ND let get away who probably had little to no stars but went on to bigger and better things - Isaiah Kacyvenski.

Apparently he wanted to play ffotball for ND more than anything in the world. As noted in the articles, that dream never came true, "He was going to win a football scholarship to Notre Dame. But Notre Dame never came through with a scholarship."

"'I was very disappointed,' he said. 'Everything I had worked for. I wanted to go there. It was frustrating that I didn't get a look. But I wasn't going to let it hold me down.'"

Instead he went to Harvard and did pretty well for himself, graduating cum laude and then being drafted in the 4th round by the Seahawks. Now he's in the Super Bowl.
Eddie | Email | Homepage | 02.02.06 - 8:30 pm | #

"As a matter of fact, Weis took over the ND program after what was the worst two year stretch for the program, both on the field and off, in over forty years."

RACIST!!!!!
Matt | Email | Homepage | 02.02.06 - 9:12 pm | #

Thanks for your well-informed thoughts, Zippy. Make sure to tip the staff on your way out.
Bill | Email | Homepage | 02.02.06 - 10:01 pm | #

See you in June?? See you April 22 at 1:30, baby! EEs should be on the field and recruits will be in the stands.
Joe | Email | Homepage | 02.02.06 - 11:16 pm | #

on the subject of recruiting rankings, I did my own little study if you're interested:

http://ppsports.blogspot.com/200...ven- matter.html
jislan | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 2:20 am | #

worst 2 years (before charlie). . .it is the truth not racist. It is a plain fact ND never got blown out as badly as when Ty was the coach (unless you want to believe otherewise). Are you saying there was a worse time period in Notre Dame football history??? if there is please point it out. If it wasn't the worst 2 years on the football field it was pretty bad last 2 years before charlie came around. Ty had blown out losses to USC (twice, loss by 31 pts), Prudue, Michigan, FSU, MSU, and Syrcuse. 2 year record after 1st season was 5-7 and 6-6.
hmmmm | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 3:09 am | #

Hey Matt,

How would YOU describe the last two years under Ty?

Would he have gone 9 - 3 this year had he been there?

Would he have had as highly rated a recruiting group now?
Soapbox | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 6:50 am | #

I'm thinking Matt was just joshin' around.





I hope.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 8:21 am | #

Yeah, hmmm, I think you need to check the batteries on your sarcasm meter.
SeanH | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 8:44 am | #

Off the subject, but I just found the Bettis jersey on ebay the players wore getting off the plane for the SB, check it out, I just bought one....can't find anywhere else

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...AMESO%3AIT& rd=1
Wink | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 9:17 am | #

Yeah, it must be racist to point out that Ty couldn't win games, couldn't motivate his players, got blown out by 31+ as many times as the total in ND history, gave up two 5 passing TD games in ND stadium, and, based on the results of his first class at UW, can't recruit unless you let him go after JUCO's, at least one of which couldn't even get into Nebraska because he couldn't graduate from Compton CC.

As for the schedule zippy, that's part of what makes ND special. I don't know how many times we have heard players say they came to Our Lady because they wanted the chance to play week in/week out against the best in the nation.
JohnWA | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 12:43 pm | #

There were so many low points during Ty's tenure that it's truly difficult to identify just one. I think for me it was the 38-0 loss at Michigan in 2003.
Phil K. | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 1:54 pm | #

BYU was by far the breaking point for me with Ty
Gipper | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 2:37 pm | #

Yeah, well I'll help get the car warmed for Charlie. Think the blowout to O-state and beating subpar teams this year like michigan, msu, purdue, syracuse, byu, even standford. That turned the tide for me.
zippy | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 2:50 pm | #

Wow...Ty's recruiting class this year consisted of 8...count 'em..8!!!, JUCO players. 8 out of his 22 recruits were JUCO players. Talk about thinning out the depth charts for the future.
Scott | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 3:28 pm | #

Gents, the Zippy here sounds like the same jerk who was very prevalent after the Fiesta Bowl. Blowout? Right-up by 7 with 3 minutes to go and only a 3rd and 11 conversion from punting back to ND. Right, that blowout.

Zippy, why don't you go find Mo Clarett and some of the other fine, upstanding citizens from tOSU and and go have some fun.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 3:42 pm | #

Zippy, you're gonna be all alone in that car for a long time. I'll help you out and pipe in a hose from the exhaust.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 5:41 pm | #

Applying a bit of Zippy's logic, which was no doubt honed to its razor sharp form during his rigorous 6 year stint as an OSU undergrad, I hereby proclaim that our close win at Stanford was in fact a blow out. Score shmorr, we outgained them by 300 yards!
scott | Email | Homepage | 02.03.06 - 11:47 pm | #

Just remember, fellas, Zippy went to OSU (or at least lived in the vicinity) and you didn't. Picks you right up, doesn't it?
Phil K. | Email | Homepage | 02.04.06 - 12:05 am | #

Yes, I didn't go to the cult, branch domeridian, elistists university. If I wanted to be at a Cult University, I'd go to Oral Roberts or Liberty. Pretend all you want, but I don't think the rules for accounting change between Harvard, Wharton, Notre Dame, Michigan, Standford, or any community college in between. Besides I like diversity. Its good for the real world. If Notre Dame is so great, then why is South Bend so dead?? I'm looking on Cool Towns website right now, and I haven't seen them mention SB yet for a liveable city. Just curious
zippy | Email | Homepage | 02.04.06 - 2:18 pm | #

Um, I have a confession. I rather like living in Columbus and doing research at tOSU, provided I avoid the throngs of drunken rednecks and frat boys on gamedays, and provided that I minimize my interactions with the semi-literate undergraduate population. I'm a ND fanatic by any measure, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be stuck in South Bend all year.

Despite it's vast swaths of Detroit-like urban blight, and the ubiquitous swarms of obese buckeye fans whose idea of a smart putdown of an opponent is "F*ck (insert opponent's name) ", Columbus does have its charms.
scott | Email | Homepage | 02.04.06 - 5:45 pm | #

Most folks lose perspective on how big a deal having a Top 100 player really is.

The average team will sign ~20 players per year due to attrition and redshirting. There are 117 Div I-A teams. That's 2,340 kids.

The Top 25 programs will sign 500+ kids.

Assuming a bell curve of the top programs signing more than their fair share of Top 100 kids....signing 12 members of any Top 100 list is still *very* strong.

It isn't fair to compare any recruiting class to what USC is put together this year. It's one for the ages.

That said, look at the Gators 2000 class that had Brock Berlin and was ranked #1. Implosion. LSU had 2 classes like that in the mid 90s that we were Top 5 or so and never panned out.

None of the linemen from UGA's #1 class in '90 or '91 panned out. Just the skill players.
paulwesterdawg | Email | Homepage | 02.07.06 - 6:57 pm | #