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Go Irish.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:08 pm | #
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If anyone has a link to watch the game online, I'd be most grateful.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:09 pm | #
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GO IRISH, Beat Trojans
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:09 pm | #
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robinson's playing left tackle
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:09 pm | #
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ndfootball check on justin.tv
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:09 pm | #
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not a good start
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:10 pm | #
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JC you jackass
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:10 pm | #
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Thanks breNDa!
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:11 pm | #
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Could that throw have been f*cking worse?
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:11 pm | #
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Thanks, Jimmy. Game over.
c-stone | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:11 pm | #
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FUCKING RIGHT!!!
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:11 pm | #
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hoooooooooollllllllly shit
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:11 pm | #
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THAT A BOY!!!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:11 pm | #
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Online link for game?
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:12 pm | #
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anyone know a site to watch online?
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:12 pm | #
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If we trade picks like that all night, we might just get close enough for a FG at some point.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:12 pm | #
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someone posted blow a live feed:
http://www.channelsurfing.net/wa...? w=soilxtreme03
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:13 pm | #
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http://www.justin.tv/soilxtreme03
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:13 pm | #
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irishrat, yeah but walker would probably miss it
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:13 pm | #
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http://www.channelsurfing.net/wa...? w=soilxtreme03
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:14 pm | #
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i would rather see us throw it on third and one. we obviously cant run it. hell throw it sixty times tonite.
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:14 pm | #
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Thanks JimK...got it!
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:14 pm | #
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So we get an INT, can't run it....31 yd punt...not looking good.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:15 pm | #
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Damnit! Could that play call on 3rd and 2 been any more freakin' predictable? I literally said to myself before the snap, "Watch us try and go power football and get stuffed." Has Weis not been watching this OLine all year? Has he not watched film of 'SC's defense. Jesus.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:15 pm | #
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this is a real shot in the dark, but if we could somehow, Mary Mother of God, pull the upset tonite, maybe that would spark this team for next year...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:15 pm | #
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Hey Planet...where are you that they aren't boroadcasting it?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:15 pm | #
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JimK
I'm 100 yards from the stadium...ND that is
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:16 pm | #
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That's what miracles are all about Andrew....and I'd say being a 31 1/2 point dog is whatever the opposite of a miracle is...
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:16 pm | #
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Aha, Planet...it should be blacked out there...
But Anello??? Why God?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:17 pm | #
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Highlights of the night will be 1) Shots ons Song Girls and 2) Beyonce commercial EVERY break.
F*ck, one of our few guys with guts, hustle, heart is out.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:17 pm | #
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Anyone notice a bit of a, uh, speed differential here?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:20 pm | #
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do you guys think im a fat ugly troll bc im a woman ND Alum?
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:20 pm | #
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?????????
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:21 pm | #
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so thats what a run game looks like. I had forgotten.
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:21 pm | #
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Broadcast just came on -- how many times have ND and USC had the ball?
Épée Fencer | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:22 pm | #
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because i am
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:24 pm | #
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Fire the Fat guy now...that was too easy.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:27 pm | #
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i think if we don't keep it close early, this team will quit on him.
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:28 pm | #
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This isn't going to be pretty. Might cover that 31 pt spread.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:29 pm | #
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they're pretty good.
Unreal | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:29 pm | #
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Really Big Mike? I'm SHOCKED it took them almost 11 minutes to score. Sure would be a nice time for a first return for a TD since, oh I don't know, Rocket (I know we've had some since, but it sure feels that long).
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:29 pm | #
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Does Pete Carroll run up the score or does he call the dogs off in the 2nd half?
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:30 pm | #
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What about Montana as coach?
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:30 pm | #
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wow their kicker has a leg
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:30 pm | #
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time to bust out that advantage charlie talked about
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:31 pm | #
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not so much
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:31 pm | #
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U can't run against those linebackers...c'mon Charlie even I know that.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:32 pm | #
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charlie's punting on 4th and short?
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:32 pm | #
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that's a neat trick how they time their blitzes. we should try that one
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:33 pm | #
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This USC team is not nearly as impressive as some we have seen over the past few year. Their defense is great, but the offense is very mediocre, especially by their standards.
Of course, all that beings said, they make ND look like a JV team. Pathetic that it has gotten this bad. Fire the fat bum.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:33 pm | #
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IS HE F*CKING KIDDING TRYING TO RUN AGAIN ON 3RD AND 2?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! DOES HE REALLY THINK WE HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL BY DOING THAT?!?!?!?! How about a slant, a TE Drag, a TE out, a screen, something, ANYTHING other than a run right up the gut? JESUS!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:33 pm | #
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"... we will never be out-schemed ..." TWO 4th and 2 yds in a row. wow.
Mike McFadden | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:34 pm | #
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Their "D" is great, but JD you are right -- their "O" is only mediocre for USC. Still better than our crap offense.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:34 pm | #
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whatever happened to the Georgia Tech wizard blitz anyway...
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:35 pm | #
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nice anke dive, he's good at that.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:36 pm | #
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I will say this...we are tackling better this year than we have in 6 years
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:36 pm | #
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Pathetic that we are 31 point underdogs. Have some dignity Charlie -- if you care about ND, man up and resign.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:36 pm | #
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no one does the honorable thing anymore (last one was Bobby Knight but he was crazy)...charlie will get what he can
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:37 pm | #
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we beat the spread in the first
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:38 pm | #
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Gee, imagine that- a crossing route.
YES! Only down 7 after one quarter!!!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:39 pm | #
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why is Pete Carroll always smiling when he's playing ND?
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:39 pm | #
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Planet; Why does the 'big bad waolf' smile when he sees lil' red.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:40 pm | #
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if pete carroll is smart, he will keep the game close so that weis will stay at nd for another year.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:40 pm | #
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masterson-
Big Blue Grey Hood?
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:41 pm | #
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I bet Charlie wil run all night long ... just to show the world he is right ... that we cant run. why not counter with something else ????
Mike McFadden | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:41 pm | #
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Powlus blowing bubbles?
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:42 pm | #
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Speed...did I spell it correctly?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:43 pm | #
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Kuuuuuntz
Pirate Pants | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:43 pm | #
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we can't miss chances like that to crush Sanchez
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:43 pm | #
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what happened before the game??
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:43 pm | #
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Defense playing with heart. Too bad fat guy doesn't know how to call plays on offense.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:44 pm | #
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Our D looks pretty good. Planet, you're right, they're tackling well. I feel bad for them; with our O having NO first downs so far, they'll just get worn down and this score will get ugly by the end.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:44 pm | #
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Belated LOL to Andrew for "busting out the advantage."
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:45 pm | #
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yea...trying to find a little humor in a season that has just drained out all the excitement I was feeling at the beginning...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:46 pm | #
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I believe I might resign my degree if we end up going 6-6 and then to the "insight" or "Doggbreath" or any bowl.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:46 pm | #
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we're gonna roll because Powlus says so. remember JC just stare down your receiver before you throw
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:46 pm | #
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Go Pat Kuntz!
Mexcian Irish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:46 pm | #
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throw...the...ball...out...of...bounds
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:47 pm | #
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can't throw it away?
mike b | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:47 pm | #
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Was there some kerfuffel before the game in the tunnel?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:47 pm | #
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espn says "way to take the sack"
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:48 pm | #
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play action only works if you can run the ball to establish the threat of the run. I learned that on my Xbox.
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:48 pm | #
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on the field, Jim m....and rather intense...
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:48 pm | #
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I say kick their A$$, literally & figuratievely.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:48 pm | #
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i can only assume every nd player ended up on their ass in that skirmish save a couple.
mike b | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:49 pm | #
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94 visitors.
Visitors?
I thought we were bestest palsy walsys
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:49 pm | #
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Where's Charlie'a Magic Hoodie? It's so much more than a fashion statement.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:49 pm | #
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How about a federal bailout to pay off Charlie? We're in worse shape than the auto companies or investment banks...and more important to the country.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:49 pm | #
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if thats the schematic advantage...I feel somewhat cheated
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:50 pm | #
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Ya' think Jim from Redondo is $hitfaced yet??
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:50 pm | #
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not sure if jim is but i sure am
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:51 pm | #
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Jim K
Actually bailout makes sense...South Bend economy rides on ND football
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:51 pm | #
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I wonder what's goin' thru CW's mind?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:51 pm | #
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schematic advantage, bitches!
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:51 pm | #
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glad they cranked it up on that drive
JamesinLa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:51 pm | #
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Jim from RB should be lit by now...I believe that he, like me, decided not to go today tho we both live in the area.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:51 pm | #
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That play to Rudolph is what we should have run on 3rd and 2 (both times) CURSE YOU WEIS!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:52 pm | #
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I used to live in Marina...biked past redondo all the time...
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:52 pm | #
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I am going to put that advantage in my pipe and smoke it. More effective that way.
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:52 pm | #
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He, Jim, saved his son some embarrassment.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:52 pm | #
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i do like blanton's energy though
JamesinLa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:52 pm | #
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OK...now imagine...our team today is playing USC '05 with the college edition of Reggi Bush and Matt Leinert and LenDale White...it would be UGLY...
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:53 pm | #
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Go out & hit the crapola out of the guy lining up next to you.
It's really quite simple.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:53 pm | #
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a lot of heart on the D tonight.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:53 pm | #
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Hey #76 on 'SC got hurt; only 64 more guys to go!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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and this isn't looking pretty...
confidence? did he just say confidence?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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let's see if we can cross the 50
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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defense has played great
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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I like Robert Blanton, what happened to Gray?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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it would be ugly Jimk...what about though, if we could put this defense with that 05 team of Quinn, Shark, etc...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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ND 08 against ND 05 would be ugly too
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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nope
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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Nice to be on ESPN. We need to get off NBC. It tries to perpetuate the delusional reality of many ND fans that we are still relevant. I remember watching the Mich game this year and those idiots were saying that this team reminded them of the teams of the late 80s under Holtz. Seriously, Mich was terrible this year and handed us the game and they tried to make it like it was a classic #1 vs. #2 battle. The first step to improvement is to admit there's a problem
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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Thud.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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Time to pull JClaw?
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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This is a long way from '05 & '06.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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Hey Everyone ... we've crossed the SH*T I was about to say "we've crossed the 50 TWICE tonight!" Oops.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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jimmah!
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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jc is wondering if he can get a job as an usher at the college football hall of fame
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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ballgame
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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Ballgame.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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That was ugly!
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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No Todd, it was just a really bad pass.
And now it begins to get ugly.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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like we're standing still
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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clausen is fuckign awful
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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Love the ND team speed!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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GAME OVER.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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Medic...Medic...get a tourniquet on that wound.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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how did it get to this?
mike b | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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jimmy is already thinking about what bar he is going to that night
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:56 pm | #
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clausen is so goddamn bad
fds | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:57 pm | #
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Undefeated in California.
Man, be quiet until you've paid your dues.
3-9 & 6-6 is not paying your dues.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:57 pm | #
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clausen absolutely sucks, and the D did not come to play on the Drive, they were still pissed they had to go back in.
divided teams always lose.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:57 pm | #
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we suck
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:57 pm | #
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i am serioulsy doubting if this will ever be a rivalry again.
mike b | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:57 pm | #
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Any chance the offense can at least commit a few false starts, scrambles for loss, etc., to at least give the D more than 30 seconds to rest?
c-stone | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:57 pm | #
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I wonder who made the wrong read or had the wrong route in mind on that last pick. I love watching freshmen and sophomores play!
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:57 pm | #
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do we even have a speed coach?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:58 pm | #
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why clausen is still playing probably has a lot to do with how he came here, all show and no product
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:58 pm | #
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this is ugly. almost would rather not watch it on the HD...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:58 pm | #
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are there any students who are big enough to just kick clausens ass when he gets back on campus. he deserves to get his ass kicked for just being so bad and so arrogant
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:58 pm | #
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Anonymous, I nominate you for post of the night. Succint, yet so very true.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:58 pm | #
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OK....to all apologists...4 years for Charlie and 2 for JC is plenty of time to prove themselves as people who can compete at this level...this being as jim m says a lesser USC team than in recent years.
Time for some changes.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:59 pm | #
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Step; I think it's the guy in the wheelchair, one sees at practice.
Speed Coach.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:59 pm | #
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I say we drop to AA football for couple years and fine-tune...come back when we're ready
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:59 pm | #
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"succinct"
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:59 pm | #
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can clausen just stay in socal after game and never come back
get a new coach and go with crist next yr
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 8:59 pm | #
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I say let's hoe Jim from Redondo left his Glock at home.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:00 pm | #
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Guys, we gotten watch our language here. I hate this more than anyone too. Gotta be sensible here. "We will not be out schemed." ".6-5 is not good enough." holy cow. we are awful and the world is watching.
Mike McFadden | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:00 pm | #
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I hear jc is leaving early for the nfl
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:00 pm | #
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Hope.
Jim' son. "NO Dad, that's not a good idea to shoot the fat SOB & put him out of his misery."
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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awful run
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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dang - all he had to do is run straight for 5
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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this is like watching the first round of the march madness when Carolina is playing some PAtriot league school
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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i really think weis will be fired
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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Could we look more AWFUL????
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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How can Claw be arrogant. He is horrible.
Claw = Pow
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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I haven't felt this positive about an impending blowout loss since Faust's last game. We need SC to cover to finally get rid of this fat fraud.
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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the plan now should be to let jimmy get killed all game long, and perhaps he will just leave
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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gd mf sob
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:02 pm | #
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this is so damn frustrating
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:02 pm | #
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Why does he run so far backwards when the Oline is such a problem? If he's rolling out, he should be going sideways more, or maybe they should try some quick drops.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:02 pm | #
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Jim's braking out the Jim Beam.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:02 pm | #
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has there been a more unlikable Notre Dame QB? ever?
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:03 pm | #
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Speaking of March Madness, did anybody else see that Harangody is out indefinitely with pneumonia? How the hell do you get pneumonia playing hoops in Hawaii?
I have nothing to say about the football game.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:03 pm | #
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At least we are punting the ball well....
bkm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:03 pm | #
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Was Allen standing still when Taylor Mays ran him down? JESUS is that guy fast!
MORE SONG GIRLS ... PLEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:04 pm | #
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thank god for Grand Marnier
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:04 pm | #
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fatman worked with the punters all week
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:04 pm | #
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Chival Regal in my case...English major...
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:04 pm | #
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Reno; Pneumonia? Come on! Too much Hawaii sunshine.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:04 pm | #
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just think, if clausen stay all 4 yrs, he will be completely bald as a senior.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:04 pm | #
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All you have to do is look at our junior class, charlie's 1st "great" recruiting class, and not one star has emerged from that class, and they are juniors.
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scalped,likely.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:05 pm | #
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Maybe after USC is +50 they'll give the Song Girls a splitscreen.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:05 pm | #
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It's pretty easy for Mcnight to be great when you don't have to go to class
bkm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:05 pm | #
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this is looking more and more like the last nail in the coffin
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:05 pm | #
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The verdict nationally is that our so-called great recruiting classes is all hype.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:05 pm | #
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I have concluded that the $emi-pro$ have a decided speed and coaching advantage.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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agreed jimk
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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I'm thinking the only good thing about saying you're from Indiana was ND... now i got nuthin! nuthin!
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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Masterson - good point. Going from South Bend's November weather to Maui could really send a shock through one's system. Maybe the Irish would be better off going to that pre-season invitational in Alaska that Duke always used to go win.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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USC is so fast. At least they hurt the fullback there.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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We will never have a fb who can make a play like that
JamesinLa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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4 million, 15 million, 100 million. no amount is too much to move on and never look back at this crap.
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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ND has 17 yds in total offense.
Geez, that's embarrassing.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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We make their fullback look like reggie bush
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:06 pm | #
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maybe when they do CW knee replacement, they could actually insert charlie jr in his knee and sew it back up
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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Same old pattern ND-SC - we open up looking like we might, just might, be able to play with them ...then a half dozen bad plays by us and great ones by them...and it's over.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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In case you missed it, the entire secondary just got juked by the USC fullback...multiple times.
c-stone | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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the defense is still playing hard, maybe not well, but hard...how long will that keep up?
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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Get lost, belocki. Go away.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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nice coverage
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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how can someone be that wide open?
bkm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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How can he be that open?
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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Clausen = Powlus
Weis = Fatter Louder Bob Davie
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:08 pm | #
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can we fire weis at halftime
bkm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:08 pm | #
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I remember when holtz made USC look this bad.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:08 pm | #
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I watched highlights the other day from 1992, the reggie brooks game...never has that seemed so long ago...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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JD, Bob Davie actually had some good wins under his belt.
This team is shit. Fuck them all.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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Sterlin; Me too, but I'm 67 and it doesn't look to good.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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dont blame me for this mess. i have no doubt i could of won 9 games with this team easily.
charlie is not even average, he is totally inept.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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Ozzie Osborne = Vonage.
c-stone | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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Hell Davie made USC look bad
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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Do you thing USC will fulfill the spread by halftime?
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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we are bad, but once charlie gets his own players, we will.......suck
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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Fire the fat ass now!
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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Sterling--yeah
I remember when Holtz knew how to plan against a team that was faster...or bigger
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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i think the offense has quit already
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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BC's going to the ACC Champ. in their rebuilding year. Jeff Jagodzinski has a 1.5 mil buyout.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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Good thing SC doesn't have a good offense.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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at this point, we need to just play to hurt someone
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:10 pm | #
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how the hell does ozzie have all of these people's cell phone numbers? does this bother anyone else those stupid commercials come on?
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:10 pm | #
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Andrew, watch the Rocket Ismail highlight reel on YouTube...amazing.
Then watch the Armando Allen one. Oh, wait...
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:10 pm | #
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Andy; Very observant.
You with the CIA?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:10 pm | #
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Faust made SC look this bad...and therein is the lesson...SC hired Tollner, Smith, Robinson-over-the-hill, and Hackett...no NC 25 years, second tier Pac 10 ...and they still never looked this bad.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:10 pm | #
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err ozzy too
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:10 pm | #
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maybe ozzy can come coach for us...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:11 pm | #
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did lendale bring his gun to the sideline? what a fat sack of shi...
bkm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:11 pm | #
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anybody read lendale white's lips, "notre dame sucks"
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:11 pm | #
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ok --- 3 and out or fumble or pic?
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:11 pm | #
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Weis needs to be left go ... our GOOD players even look bad. Why, why, why ????
Mike McFadden | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:11 pm | #
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Hypothetical situation: The NCAA finally follows up on the Bush investigation and learns that USC is paying all of their players even more than most major programs do. Probabtion and limited scholarships for the Trojans.
Could Charlie field a team that would beat a heavily sanctioned Southern Cal squad? What if Poodle is still at the helm?
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:11 pm | #
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Jim from Redondo is Now on the sidelines.
Look out!!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:11 pm | #
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Jim. Will we every see a NC again?
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:11 pm | #
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RedMahoney....Agreed, the team is shit...but dont take it out on the players...they are just doing their job. They cant help it if the coach is inept and they accepted the an ND offer thinking it still meant something.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:12 pm | #
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Not with Charlie.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:12 pm | #
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how many recruits does this game cost us
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:12 pm | #
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Peter - I caught that too. what a douchebag ..
Unreal | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:12 pm | #
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ooooohhhhhhh,
Jimmah almost threw a pick six....
He blows.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:13 pm | #
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On the non-pathetic CFB front: OSU is beating Okla. Ok, back to NBC BS commercials and garbage ND football.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:13 pm | #
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Sterling; Hope is eternal.
Every year at the end of another $hitty miserable season I can dream.
Unfortunatley the dream crashes & burns in Sept.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:13 pm | #
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Answering my own question: yes it can get worse.
AND...sports fans...SC gets the ball to open the 2nd half....
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:14 pm | #
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nightmarish? did he say nightmarish?
PlanetEire | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:14 pm | #
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lol
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:14 pm | #
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What an embarrassment, even with the penalty.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:14 pm | #
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anyone know where to get some human growth hormone?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:14 pm | #
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we are so piss poor.
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:14 pm | #
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why are our kickers so fucking terrible?
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:14 pm | #
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Who has more death threats -- Obama or Charlie?
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:15 pm | #
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If I were SC I'd have one down linemen and drop back 10. Of those 10, 6 could go to the bench. 4 could help the refs. What do you think?
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:15 pm | #
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Why should the kickers be any different from the rest of the team?
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:15 pm | #
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what's sickening is you know we aren't going to score -- though even SDSU would score once on them - and we may not get one single first down -- but, if it fries CW's ass, Goooooooooo Trojans!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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this is an embarrasment to the school.
Peter | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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If they counted our yards as points, now that would be a schematic advantage--and Charlie would still be getting stomped.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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Men against boys. On the field and the sidelines.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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HUMILIATING
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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what is the next step beyond embarrassing?
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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Sacked on the 1 yd. line.
It's pitiful boys.
Pitiful.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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soooo true mahoney. i miss michael floyd. the one shining gem amongst piles of shit.
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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HOW THE F*CK DO WE NOT KNOCK SANCHEZ INTO THE PACIFIC ON THAT RUN?!??! WE SUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!
!!!!!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:17 pm | #
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I will go to bed tonight fully expecting an announcement that Charlie has been let go.
If not, I will kick my goddamned cat so f*cking hard...
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:17 pm | #
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Dear Santa,
All I want for Christmas is a new HC and staff.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:17 pm | #
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Crum is the only player we have on D.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:17 pm | #
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we shouldn't really be shown on National TV .. we are so far out of that realm -- someone at ESPN really has it in for us
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:17 pm | #
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time to try to hurt someone for a long time....you can only be embarrased for so long.
bkm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
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I don't see why we're not using a no huddle shotgun. The offense Clausen has looked good in this year.
Mark | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
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Seems like that BQ "Reggie Push" game was decades ago
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
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Jesus, the poinnt of the blitz is to ACTUALLY HIT THE FREAKIN' QB!!!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
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Cojones boys They need to show some cojones.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
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i don't know whether to laugh or cry... or make a noose.
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:18 pm | #
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do yo not sack him there?
Then how do you miss the tackle on the reciever?
Weis has never in his life coached fundamentals. Pathetic.
Mr. X's and O's can't teach these kids!
Fire his fat ass.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:19 pm | #
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Here's a pleasant thought: as fae as I remember...our worst loss ever was in war time - '43 or '44, to a loaded Army team with real players...59-0 I think. Think USC can top that?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:19 pm | #
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We should have just called and forfeited.
Charlie: Pete, we suck. We are not getting on the plane.
Pete: Thanks for the call Chuck. Still want me to send those Krispy Cremes?
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
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Pete Carroll, the grinning hyena, wants to pour it on. Too bad he can't put Reggie Bush in to add to the fun.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
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Half-time can't come soon enought.
Look ND should not be going to a bowl game.
Father Jenkins just say NO.
What makes you think another month of practice is going to improve this squad?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
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I remember in the early 90's when the Irish would lose one game and my friends who hate ND would call and give me a hard time... they haven't made a call like that in a long time
JamesinLa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
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WOW. To think this is their Senior Day and we scheduled a 2-8 team. Look how fun PC is having.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
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Does anyone have another link to watch the game?
The guys at justin.tv have stopped the broadcast and are demanding $$$ to continue.
Thanks!
Colonel Klink | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
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PC will go for the first down shutout -- we won't cross the 50 in the second half -- they may hold us to negative yards -- God, I'm doubting my memory -- were we ever a Notre Dame team that was once a great legend?
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
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man that was kind of funny and badass.
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:20 pm | #
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even the sack was ugly.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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Here is the right order:
1) Find a top COLLEGE HC.
2) Get a signed memo of understanding with #1.
3) Toss CW + bodanker staff.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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I wish we could recruit some of these criminals, but we actually have academic standards.
bkm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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try
http://linksador.net/showtime/in...CAA-Football-1/
dgislason | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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PLEASE watch our language. I swear a lot too but not publicly. Please guys. thanks.
Mike McFadden | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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RedMahoney, I have not laughed so hard in a while. Freakin' hilarious. I have a cat too and mine better watch out.
Well, at least OKLA-OKST is a good ballgame.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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Sanchez looked like the woman with the sack over her head in 'Fargo' right there.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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at this point, just hurt someone
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:22 pm | #
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Looks like justin.tv just shut down tht one too.
dgislason | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:22 pm | #
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well, we still have time to fumble the KO
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:22 pm | #
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they should have just let USC beat the sh!t out of us before the game, so we could get back on the bus.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:22 pm | #
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swearing publicly is way more fun than in private. if i shout fuck in the middle of a forest, no one is there to hear me.
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:23 pm | #
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Jim K -- think you're right about 59-0 L to Army -- I'm for USC scoring 70 if it means that Capt Fattie gets axed
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:23 pm | #
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I'm happy to report that justin.tv has ended their showing of the massacre. I am now better off than the rest of you - I don't have to watch how it ends. No author on earth could accurately portray how horribly we have played thus far.
I'm getting out to spend time with my wife. I'm really torn on this coaching deal. We've got another loaded recruiting class coming...young talent...I know all the reasons to keep CW one more year but...we also suck.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:23 pm | #
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has ND ever finished a game with negative yards?
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:23 pm | #
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Hey - the justintv feed stopped any other links?
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:24 pm | #
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I never used to swear...
but this FUCKING TEAM DRIVES ME CRAZY. SHIT.
FUCK.
Sorry.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:24 pm | #
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can we get 10 yards before the half?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:24 pm | #
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well put red.
breNDa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:24 pm | #
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checking in from NC. Thought all week that CW may have next year to show something from 05 with more experience on the field but now...
Latine definitley has to go...the o-line except Stewart here and there just doesnt want to man up at all.
Oh yeah, bench Clausen...he is killing our defense also by wasting their effort..they should be pissed cos at least they are showing some heart and emotion.
NDTarheel | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:24 pm | #
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Kneel on it.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:24 pm | #
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never lost this many games in 2 years -- in ND history? Hmmmm ... whose our HC? The guy who grabs every negative record out there (Syr - 1st 8 loss team to blow us out)... etc, etc ..
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:25 pm | #
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keeps getting better, armando is hurt...nice
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:25 pm | #
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at this point, I can't even root for this team to score. I want it to be a historic massacre...something that eliminates any doubt that the change is needed.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:25 pm | #
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What's the score now? I can't get it online.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:25 pm | #
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Andrew - we ended up with -12 yds rushing against MSU in '65.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:25 pm | #
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play the back up QB just to humiliate jimmy and his dad and his whole family. at this point, do whatever you can to get him to leave
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:25 pm | #
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The academic standards are an excuse....Michigan under Carr was still decent on the field and had high grad rates....
Then again...good point, he started to fall off towards the end and couldnt bring in the speed, so they hired a scumbag in RR who will probably bring in the criminals so they can compete with modern college football.
We need to compete with modern era football too.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:25 pm | #
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Great..AA is hurt. Why even play him in this blowout?
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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Old Fan. Sportsline.com
You can read the play by play.
Much easier on your psche, no visual hangovers.
BTW. I never would have guessed that U$C, ND would take a back seat to OU, OSU.
Wow.
A hill-billy state intra rivalry, over the greatest intersectional rivalry.
Thanks ND, for crappy on the ND tradiditon.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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Armando --- stay out kid -- put in a transfer to Gainesville!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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Jim I mean negative yards total...I think that is a real possibility tonite
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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Jim. What can CW say at halftime?
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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Who's better armando allen or darius walker?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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Oh no, who will replace Armando's zero yards and ability to make anyone miss.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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Do any of our backs realiz e that they are NOT FAST and need to run north-south?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:27 pm | #
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anyone think we end up with positive yards versus USC?
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:27 pm | #
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Weis has more chins than we have yards.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:27 pm | #
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how did that holly woman get on tv
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:27 pm | #
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Charlie is such a worthless fake
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:27 pm | #
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there you go Charlie, give away the gameplan. i'm sure nobody's watching this in the locker rooms
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:27 pm | #
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I only have one chin and I have more than the Irish have yards.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:27 pm | #
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Thanks, dgislason, but that link just rebroadcasts from justin.tv, which is now shut down.
Colonel Klink | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:28 pm | #
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Did we get to +1 yard for the half with that last run? HOOORRAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm turning it off so I don't have to see May gloat; lest I throw my beer bottle at the TV.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:28 pm | #
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lou looks like he is going to hurl like kuntz did
JamesinLa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:28 pm | #
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Darius Walker was the man - he rarely got stop for negative yardage and mostly made the first guy miss. All these current runner fall down at the first touch.
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:28 pm | #
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i already switched to the the OSU OU game
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:28 pm | #
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don't know, Andrew, about negative total yds. in '65, we couldn't pass and might have ended up with total offense in the teens...but total negative? 121 years is a long time...
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:29 pm | #
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USC 24 points. ND 9 yards. At least we "have the schematic advantage."
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:29 pm | #
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Ouch, Masterson. I'm from Oklahoma.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:29 pm | #
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stephen, it doesn't matter -- CW wants to sound like he knows what he's doing - hopefully we have enough class left to issue a "No Bowl" statement tomorrow
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:30 pm | #
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My name is Charlie Weis and this is my 4 step game plan.
1. The running game: Whatever. Passing is better.
2. I like to run the same play from different formations. This leads to multiple sacks from multiple formations all while running the same play. Genious!
3. I believe in deception. Letting the other team get ahead by so much that they become complacent and we then storm back and win the game. Similar to the way that other teams come from behind against us. Proven to work!
4. Defense: That is somebody else's job.
We are N(ot) D(ominant).
Rome | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:30 pm | #
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Who would win a hot dog eating contest, our head coach or strength and conditioning coach?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:30 pm | #
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Sorry Reno; My bad!1
Totals at half.
http://www.sportsline.com/
colleg...20081129_ND@USC
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:30 pm | #
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Belocki, you are an idiot for many reasons, but chiefly because you display actual vindictiveness for people you don't even know. I pity the people you actually do know.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:30 pm | #
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Can you hear Holtz's voice? He's sick too.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:30 pm | #
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Can't believe Weis told the world Clausen to take a three step drop in the second half. The pressure is causing him to crack up. He should be let go for compassionate reasons, if nothing else. He's losing his mind.
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Rome...that was pretty good.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:31 pm | #
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Didn't have to read White's lips...you could hear it over the broadcast.
Glad to see that Weis knows what we need to do. Since the rest of us all saw this in the first quarter, any idea why we haven't started going to a three step drop sooner? Or put some sort of play in place that gets the ball out of Clausen's hands quickly?
I actually don't think Clausen is the problem. I loved his attitude last year during that debacle. He was the only one that showed some fire and seemed to care. I remember him picking a couple of fights with defensive linemen after they flattened him and none of his offensive linemen were even in the picture. I liked it.
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:32 pm | #
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VintheW, right on. I've never seen a coach hand out game adjustments like that.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:32 pm | #
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Ok, this sucks, game is over...Fire the fat ass.
Halftime question.... I have to say USC is the most talented team in the country, followed closely by Florida. However, I would say Florida is playing the best football, followed closely by Oklahoma. That being said, Bama is undefeated and Texas beat Okla on a neutral field by 10 and only lost on a last second play. Clearly the BCS blows, but thats not the point here. My question....What are the top 3 games you guys would want to see this year.
Here are mine.
USC vs Florida (The Talent Bowl)
Oklahoma vs Bama (Pass vs Power)
Weis vs Whale (All Mass Bowl)
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:33 pm | #
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our next coach has to come from a conference like the MAC -- or, again -- Randy Edall ; no 'name' coach can be successful at ND; you need a young guy who has the energy and passion -- RE is 50 but acts and coaches like a young Ara
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:33 pm | #
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Good grief, people. How the hell can some of you bitch about ND not recruiting the best players because they're all "criminals"? ND has had some of the best recruiting classes in the country in the past few years, and the team still stinks. Try placing the blame where it belongs, on the coaches.
mars | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:33 pm | #
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How about instead of a bowl game this year, we take on the US Army All American high school team (it's already on NBC).
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:34 pm | #
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Clausen is not the problem. What do you want him to do tonight? Protect himself? Run the routes himself? ND is overmatched against this fast, tough defence. The result is disappointing but predictable.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:34 pm | #
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JD...I like your picks. I would love to see Florida vs. USC.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:35 pm | #
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when does the contract with NBC expire? I can't imagine they want to continue their association with a team that looks like this...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:35 pm | #
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Anyone tell me what happened to Annello? How bad is it?
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:36 pm | #
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We look worse tonight than how we used to make Navy look
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:36 pm | #
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Annello looks done for a while
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:37 pm | #
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Why 3 step drops? Jimmy always looks best out of the shotgun.
Mark | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:37 pm | #
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Right Mars.
Ef lendale white and the rest of the morally inept at u$c and the other uni's.
Lloyd Carr's grad rate for Blacks was 33%. That's 1 out of 3 for the math challenged.
Read Jim Harbaugh's comments about his alma mater.
Here's your sociology major. Good luck , stay eligible.
Gre Odom, 5 hrs of Rock & Roll History. 4 hrs of BB theory. and a 3 hrs course in some BS.
The next semester, takes the same 12, loses in NCAA semi's and drops out to participate in NBA draft.
Nice college program, Yes??
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:37 pm | #
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I STAND BEHIND WEIS!
Better position to push him out the door!
danirish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:37 pm | #
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I love ND so much and it just kills me to see them suck this bad over and over again. I dunno...
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:37 pm | #
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GO WEIS!
TAKE JIMMY WITH YOU!
danirish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:38 pm | #
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JD,
I'm looking forward to next week, Florida vs. Alabama in the SEC championship. While I can't stand either coach it ought to be one hell of a ball game. Winner to play in the BCS Championship game.
knoxville irish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:38 pm | #
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Amen Mars. I was laughing too hard to respond to the jackasses who were spouting that self-rightous drivel. I'd bet my left nut CW would find a way to make USC look like, well, ND if he was their coach. Talent and academic standards have nothing to do with CW's suckitude.
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:38 pm | #
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Clausen has made a couple of mental errors by holding onto the ball too long. Just get rid of it, boy! I thought we got past that after last season.
That being said, would anybody rather see Sharpley in there with that deer-in-the-headlights look we saw last year? Crist, burning his red shirt? Montana, who didn't even play varsity in high school?
Clausen is a prima dona, but loaded with talent. It sucks that he's had to take his lumps for two years, and it sucks that he seems to be slow in learning from his mistakes, but I'll cast my lot with him for the second half, and all of next season.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:39 pm | #
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I hope someone is greasing the doorframe on Charlie's office
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:39 pm | #
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This is so sad. USC has more than 4 times in points than ND does in yards.
Boston Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:39 pm | #
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It's not much of a rivalry when you don't get a first down.
Stathead | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:39 pm | #
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our great talent never gets coached up -- every good coach needs to do that; we don't have on-field coaching; halftime adjustments; special teams ... we seem sooooooo far from the 'average' college teams, forget the 'elite' teams .. and you know that we never had a shot against these guys -- just a perfect way to waste a holiday Saturday evening; the sad thing is, I'm just speaking the truth
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:39 pm | #
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that is nasty...
ac | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:40 pm | #
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Weis gave nothing away in the halftime interview. Carroll is two steps ahead of him at every juncture anyway.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:40 pm | #
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On the replay, it looked like Annello's leg got pretty messed up. Looked like his shin might have snapped...
Hope not, but that's what it looked like.
Oh, and Charlie Weis sucks. Just thought I would throw that in there.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:40 pm | #
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Jim Mac,
Just because you're frustrated with a football game is no excuse to dis the state of Oregon. It's a great place to live and raise kids and unlike most of the rest of the country we recycle just about everything.
onehipdad | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:40 pm | #
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Jim from Redodndo is now waitng outsdie the locker room door.
He is pumped & primed.
Sic 'em Jimbo!!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:40 pm | #
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The real challenge is how PC can give the halftime speech, with a straight face, that USC will have to play hard or ND could come back.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:40 pm | #
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Clausen has the worst offensive line in history, and Ron Powlus is his position coach.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:41 pm | #
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Oregon sucks if only because of the ridiculous uniforms worn by the Ducks and because it spawned Nike.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:42 pm | #
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Good night folks, I'm going to finish reading "Full Moon."
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:42 pm | #
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So, iffffffffffff ND lets Weis go after this season, what REALISTIC names do you have for new coaches.
FWIW, IMO I think he is back next year regardless of what happens this year. If no BCS game next year, then he will be gone.
Irish_Wertzy | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:43 pm | #
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The "fire Charlie Weis/Weis is TEH STOOPID" theme is getting tiresome. Finding more creative ways to cuss out Charlie Weis is not going to do any good at all. It just gives weight to the idea that ND fans are a bunch of mouth-breathers.
That said, I think we oughtta fire Weis. It is implausible to think that all the ratings services for high school football recruits could be wrong about the talent assembled on ND's football team. What is more plausible is to think that the coaching staff has failed pretty miserably to coach this talent into something that is at least competitive against teams like SC.
Alex | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:43 pm | #
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"Momma Mia" just came out on DVD...and I imagine that it would be less painful to watch than the second half of this non-game.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:44 pm | #
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Peterson Boise State HC.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:44 pm | #
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Jeff Jagodzinski--BC
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By "Full Moon", do you mean the novel by P.G. Wodehouse.
Because I think Bertie Wooster needs to give ND the halftime speech. Couldn't hurt.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:45 pm | #
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Jim Leavitt, South Fla
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:45 pm | #
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Who is worse, Jimmy or Charlie?
J-ClawIsWhack | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:45 pm | #
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I have to wonder, do we put the blame on charlie, or this joke of a quarterback, emu lookalike
jclawneedstogo | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:46 pm | #
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Charlie's worse.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:46 pm | #
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CW is far worse. What genius would have Ron Paw-loss as Qb coach?
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:46 pm | #
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Jim - those Michigan comments were pathetic. I can't possibly believe you'd make comments when 1 out of every 3 black male students at Notre Dame is a varsity athlete.
The 33% figure you provided is complete fiction, anyway:
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2007...38-
fiction.html
I know you're upset about the state of your team, and I don't blame you, but the potshots at U-M were off-base and uncalled for.
Jivas | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:46 pm | #
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9
Total yards in first half
0
First downs in first half
oh, and points!
danirish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:46 pm | #
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CLEANING UP AFTER CHARLIE
Grab a mop, a broom, and one of these guys:
Urban Meyer, UF It was love once...and a repeat customer is your easiest sale. And if there is a promotion from a top tier program like UF, it's ND.
Brian Kelley, Cincy. Good record and won't put nearly so much stress on an office chair.
Mike Leach, TTech. ND is stocked w WR's but has trouble getting yards on a treadmill. So let's use the best offensive scheme for what we got.
Jeff Jagdssdcbcjdcvy, BC. Seems to enjoy beating ND.
Paul Johnson, GTech. Just turned water into wine at Tech, after walking on same at Navy.
Dekom | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:47 pm | #
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we started digressing in '06 under Weis -- the most experienced Irish OL didn't play like it - blowout loss to Michigan and SC - and did we lose the BCS in OT?
Fulmer goes out a winner -- CW is (hopefully) going out as he deserves -- you can bet that CW will 'snatch" an all-time negative record here tonight (biggest margin of losing AND negative yards?)
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:47 pm | #
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Brian Kelly.
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:47 pm | #
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Why blame the QB for having no line? Did you guys ever play anything besides pocket pool?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:48 pm | #
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Dantonio, Mich St
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:48 pm | #
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My plan for the future of Notre Dame Football: Offer Pete Carrol a 5 year 1 billion dollar contract
jclawneedstogo | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:49 pm | #
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266 vs 9 says it all
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:49 pm | #
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yuck
266
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Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:49 pm | #
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Nobody should blame Clausen until he has a serviceable line in front of him. Right now he just runs for his life.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:50 pm | #
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this really is like watching a car wreck
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:50 pm | #
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My list of the best coaches in the country.
1. Saban
2. Stoops
3. Carroll
4. Tressel
5. Meyer
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998541. Barney Rubble
998542. Charlie Weis
998543. Ty Willingham
998543. Smurf Et
Rome | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:50 pm | #
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Serviceable line, there is no excuse for the piss poor decisions he makes time and time again throwing into double triple quadruple...i dont know what word comes next but he's done it
jclawneedstogo | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:51 pm | #
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This is nauseating. Losing to the $emi-pro$ and Oregon State losing to let them in the BCS as P10 Conf champ. BARF!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:51 pm | #
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Anybody got an online feed. Blocked again.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:51 pm | #
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You people are clueless, how can we put the blame on charlie? Let us not forget charlie has won for us, as is he won in the NFL. The problem lies in our pre-madonna, still on the tit recruits. I am tired of our "top" recruiting classes. Lets bring in some "athletes" and promote hard nosed football.
J-ClawIsWhack | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:51 pm | #
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Holly Rowe is disgusting. I wouldn't eff her with Janet Reno's shlong.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:52 pm | #
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J-ClawIsWhack ,
Fat Weis by far. Claw is an overrated recruit qb....those come around all the time but a good program survives recruiting busts, even at positions as important as qb.
Weis' suck factor, however, is so much greater in that it infects the entirety of the program and team.
Further, as annoying and arrogant as Claw is, he is still a 19 year old kid.
Weis is supposedly a coach and a leader...that's his job description, and he is horrible at it.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:52 pm | #
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Does anyone have a link to the game?
I was watching on justin.tv until the guy demanded that everyone donate money to him through Paypal and when no one did, he changed it to a private channel.
Jeff from LA | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:53 pm | #
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Talk ND Football, your comments are worse than our on-field play...
J-ClawIsWhack | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:53 pm | #
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clausen is 21, I think
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:53 pm | #
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As an alum, I'd never want to cover us (announcing); Haden's too nice a guy to get stuck with us; Hammond way above what we are all about.
The poor guys calling this pupper are hopefully pulling in 6-figs.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:53 pm | #
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"Pre-madonna". I love the unintentional pun, you cretin. What's your point, anyway. Don't bring in highly rated recruits, bring in athletes who will develop into Madonna Ciccone?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:53 pm | #
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one first down. is that too much to ask for?
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:54 pm | #
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Worst call ever????????
FUCK!!! How can you do that to your players. Screw you Weis.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:55 pm | #
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Ever heard of logic, jim m.? Try and follow me here.
Both USC and ND recruit the nation's best talent. USC consistently beats the heck out of everyone they play, and is almost always in the national title hunt. Despite also having elite talent, ND consistently loses to teams they should beat, and doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell at beating a good team. What's the difference, jim? It's called coaching. Criminal record sh-miminal record--both schools still have some of the best players out there, but one school seems able to teach and inspire its players to perform on the field. It's coaching, jim, coaching.
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JD,
Jimmy is 21. Provide facts with your lame comebacks.
J-ClawIsWhack | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:55 pm | #
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I liked music, pre-Madonna.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:55 pm | #
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i missed the first part of the half, did we get a first down?
bkm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:55 pm | #
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JD,
First of all get your facts straight, JClaw is a 21 year old man, who time and time again embarrasses the University. Secondly, Brady Quinn did just fine in Charlie's offensive "suck factor" im pretty sure he was a heisman candidate
jclawneedstogo | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:55 pm | #
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4 donkeys stumbling sdrawkcab!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:55 pm | #
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crank me up
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Hasn't it been all season when we are 2nd and 3, and Capt. Fattie goes to the ground game (last series) and we NEVER pick up the first down.
Maybe it's me.
Maybe CW sucks at an all-time level.
It ain't me.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:56 pm | #
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Anyone got a audio online feed if not a tv stream?
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:56 pm | #
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3 step drops against a 3 man rush. HAHAHA.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:57 pm | #
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Can we just forget the score and act like the first down marker is the goal line?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:57 pm | #
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Offensive lines are so important.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:58 pm | #
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THAT pass was not what I had in mind when I was calling for something other than a lame run up the middle. How do you expect to get a 1st down on THAT play against THIS defense?
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:58 pm | #
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Come on, Ore State!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:58 pm | #
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J-ClawIsWhack,
1. Your question was lame, hence the lame responses.
2. He was 19 when enrolling at ND....as to my point....you cant blame a 19 year for the fall of team.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:58 pm | #
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JD,
First of all get your facts straight, JClaw is a 21 year old man, who time and time again embarrasses the University. Secondly, Brady Quinn did just fine in Charlie's offensive "suck factor" im pretty sure he was a heisman candidate.........
jclawneedstogo | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:58 pm | #
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http://wvfi.nd.edu/ - audio feed
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:59 pm | #
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Wetzy, I really don't see the point in doing something like that.
I really don't think a BCS game is a possibility next year? Why bring him back with an impossible standard, it's just wasting a year I think.
yoyo | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:59 pm | #
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Houston McNutt lmao
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:00 pm | #
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We need a new strength and conditioning coach, I hear Barry Bonds is available
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:00 pm | #
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I feel bad for the guys who work on this (BGS); great tealent and effort, but it's become trying to showcase encyclopedias in the age of google
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:00 pm | #
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I can't believe we don't even have a first down. This is pathetic.
Loretta | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:00 pm | #
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thank God for the Blackledge features!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:01 pm | #
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Do we take the worst tackling angles ever?
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:01 pm | #
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I knew I should have taken USC and given the points
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:01 pm | #
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Wow, SC just ran a) a crossing route and b) a WR screen. Do we even have those plays anymore?
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:01 pm | #
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Tom O'Brien at NC State. When he was at BC he beat us and won his bowl games. Left BC for more money and is doing a darn good job turning that program around into a winner.
knoxville irish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:01 pm | #
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we don't deserve to play Div 1 teams -- or this game;
we are frauds
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:02 pm | #
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I knew the oddsmakers were being generous when ND was only made to be a 29 point 'dog.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:03 pm | #
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IrishCandian - thanks for the tip on the audio feed - I think!!!!
Old Fan | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:03 pm | #
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I think they have more penalty yardage than we have total.
Go, Ore State.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:03 pm | #
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among weis's worst defects is his complete inability to inspire a team under duress.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:03 pm | #
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Bill H, what the hell do you mean by "frauds"? No one thinks ND is any damn good, they're playing exactly like they're supposed to.
Hook Em | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:03 pm | #
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YES! A pick AND Song Girls on ONE play. Thank you God!!!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:03 pm | #
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yea! here we come! wow -- Notre Dame! We've got them on their heels!!
(great time to die)
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:04 pm | #
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A QB locked on to a wide receiver? Whaa?
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:04 pm | #
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Let the Defense play both ways for us
J-ClawIsWhack | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:04 pm | #
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Who picked it?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:04 pm | #
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hmmmm at least he got rid of the ball on that one
jclawneedstogo | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:04 pm | #
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After the INT return, does the D have as much + yards as the O?
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:04 pm | #
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i love how weis is waiting til the last possible moment to bust out the advantage. He is so smart.
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:05 pm | #
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you know SC will score in a few seconds ---
"they have nothing threatening USC's defense"
--- hey, we have an Offensive Genius as HC!!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:05 pm | #
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JD? DID YOU JUST SEE THAT PLAY? WOW PATHETIC
J-ClawIsWhack | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:05 pm | #
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McCarthy had the pick
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Looks like we just doubled our O yard total!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:05 pm | #
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We're "frantically writing down plays" on the sideline? Was this game a surprise?
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:05 pm | #
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Great point, J-ClawIsWhack.
Our ONLY hope of getting a first down is if 'SC gets bored.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:05 pm | #
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Weis is a genius! 3rd down draw, down 24, awesome call. We definitely will never be out schemed!
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:06 pm | #
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37 minutes into the game -- we have no first downs; this once was THE game in college football
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:06 pm | #
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Dough Flutie said it would be a contest between USC's score and ND's yards. USC leads 24-16.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:06 pm | #
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Bored...or a penalty.
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:07 pm | #
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only way we score is a pick six or fumble return
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:07 pm | #
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I think Mike Patrick is having some adult beverages... they just did Todd's taste of the town
JamesinLa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:07 pm | #
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JCLAWISWACK,
stop being so insensitive to our quarterback, he is trying his very very hardest...o well maybe his rap career will takeoff if his football doesn't
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I never thought I'd think, let alone write or say this. Willingham may have been a better coach. We at least freakin SCORED against SC in all of his games against 'SC.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:08 pm | #
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Top 5 talent on our offense -- not 1 first down; every play sooo predictable.
Weis isn't only a bad coach, he's a bad person. He lied in getting this job.
Charlie, here's wishing that "karma" thing at you! And please, please - eat steak and lobster (with drawn butter) at every opportunity.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:08 pm | #
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what was embarrassing was the guys on Gameday making fun of ND this morning, how bad they were. Corso picked USC 44 to 6.
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:08 pm | #
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I hope that Hawaiian LB recruit isn't watching. heh heh
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:09 pm | #
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J-Claw,
Having RonPaw as a QB coach is like any QB being on the Raiders; you can't win.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:09 pm | #
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I picked USC to win 56-7 within minutes of last week's debacle.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:10 pm | #
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andrew --- Corso has that Indiana thing going for us ; you and I always knew we'd never score 6
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:10 pm | #
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Charlie Weis is a bad coach, but you have no idea what kind of a person he is.
For instance, maybe he isn't the kind of guy who'd wish a coronary upon someone just because that person couldn't coach his favourite team to victory.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:11 pm | #
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it's sad that the "french dip' highlight is keeping me in this; and I wish they'd just loop the Beyonce 'Upgrade' ad for the rest of this hemorrhoid
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:11 pm | #
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After this game, the only way to live with a 9-15 record over the last two years is to live without weis next year.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:12 pm | #
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Hearing about this french dip sandwish is so much more exciting than this joke of a game...mmmm maybe thats why Chuck can't focus
jclawneedstogo | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:12 pm | #
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Toryan playing with some fire...
Aaron | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:12 pm | #
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I like Toryan's fight
JamesinLa | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:12 pm | #
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Jclawneedstogo,
Shutup you homo, jimmy will lead us to the promise land, It is hard to win when you are carrying the team on your back
JCforPREZ | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:12 pm | #
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Bill H...Lmao!!!
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:12 pm | #
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woofing is nothing. I would rather have a team full of guys who didn't say anything and just played ball. Toryan should shut the hell up til he has done something.
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:13 pm | #
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I'm guessin' 40 something to 0.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:13 pm | #
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First game where the prediction is onlyone score:
USC 52
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:13 pm | #
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Toryan stopped talking when the USC player just pointed to the score board. The woofing would have timed better if he hadn't been called for penalty on the play.
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:15 pm | #
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Our Defense sucks, if they could get the ball in Jimmy's golden arm we would actually be in this thing...
JCforPREZ | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:15 pm | #
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31 points puts this game out of reach.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:15 pm | #
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31-0 USC
deja vu
SPT | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:15 pm | #
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Dear Charlie,
Please be aware of my offer. I will volunteer to help you pack your bags and do anything I can to expedite your move out of St. Joseph County. Please call ASAP.
GB | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:15 pm | #
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Weis's incompetence is exceeded only by those who made him head coach.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:16 pm | #
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When was the last time ND scored on USC? 2005?
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:16 pm | #
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Life sucks
Can I pray for Urban Meyer?
Smitty2183 | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:16 pm | #
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A first down put this game out of reach.
D | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:16 pm | #
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hope Swarbrick has a top replacement... don't want to go through mediocrity for still another 4-5 years
SPT | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:16 pm | #
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06...44-24
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:16 pm | #
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2006
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:16 pm | #
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Dammit, Ore St! Chokers. Oh, wait, they can score. Nevermind. Now back to regularly scheduled commercials.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:17 pm | #
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I don't care what you say, that's some schematic advantage right there - Wow 1.5mill per victory for Weis. What a job!
pwiddy | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:17 pm | #
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JCLAW4PREZ,
I couldn't agree with you more, jimmy is the heart and soul of this team and the icon this university needs...If we had a team of JCLAWs we would probably win the national championship 4 years in a row.
CHuck and Jimmy 4ever
HOT4CHUCK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:17 pm | #
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The only shred of hope --- these guys (USC) were right where we are now at the beginning of the decade; their AD was under withering criticism; ND owned them for the previous 15 years; they lost in the glamorous 'Las Vegas Bowl' 7-6, to some team from Utah (around 2000 or 2001)
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:18 pm | #
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Just wait til next year... HATERS... KEEP sippin on that haterade, As for me ill keep drinking my cosmos and cheering my man
JCforPREZ | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:18 pm | #
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And here I thought only OL don't block. Tate realizes it's a team thing.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:18 pm | #
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"Bill, your 3-word-recap of tonight's one-time showcase game?"
"Gods versus spermatzoa"
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:19 pm | #
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Is that a lunch menu weis is holding? chinese takeout??
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:19 pm | #
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31 points put it out of reach? Come on Voice, you know it only took 7 to put it out of our reach.
knoxville irish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:20 pm | #
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right now I would lay 50 50 odds on tate and floyd transferring...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:20 pm | #
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I don't understand the apologists for Weis and Clausen. Weis has had four years; Clausen two, line or no.
Neither has given the least inkling of being able to compete at the level at which USC plays.
Clausen has no college football sense. He was a great h.s. QB - but Faust was one of the great h.s. coaches in history.
And the announcer said 2 great years?????? 2 barely adequate years followed by misery.
Time for big changes.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:20 pm | #
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Imagine being on the "d" squad that gives up --- OUR FIRST DOWN!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:21 pm | #
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Hot 4 CHUCK,
I agree, Jimmy is an iconic individual, not to mention the burning passion in my heart :)
JCforPREZ | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:22 pm | #
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Knoxville, yes, I am aware 7 points would be insurmountable. I was trying my hand at humor.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:22 pm | #
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knoxville irish, Voice was referring to the USC points versus ND yardage, I think.
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:22 pm | #
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Bill H,
You're too kind. $emi-pro$ v. ova.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:22 pm | #
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Here's something weis can win: a Deputy Dawg look-alike contest!!
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:22 pm | #
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"Clausen has had two years, line or no."
The answer is 'no', Jim K.
What do you propose Jimmy could have done to make the team better, given that he had no F'ing O-Line?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:23 pm | #
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No "haters" here - dissing CW and JC is not hating them or ND.
To reiterate - neither has shown ANYTHING to justify confidemce...INCLUDING recruiting.
Can you watch the TV screen and think that ANYone we have can play with these SC guys? I've said before here - ONLY Floyd and Tate make their starting 3 deep...and not as starters.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:23 pm | #
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JimK -- I don't think it's Clausen as much as it has been weis; you can trace this year's implosion to the 3rd qtr versus Pitt (maybe it was really UNC)
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:23 pm | #
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Does Holly have a baldspot? She's got the combover goin'.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:24 pm | #
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50-50 odds tate or floyd transfers = 25% both leave?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:24 pm | #
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Yeah, Holly -- thsi year's Junior class was our first SUPER recruiting calss --- who's a Junior on the field tonight?
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:25 pm | #
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FIRST DOWN!!!
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:25 pm | #
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FIRST FUCKING DOOOOWWWN!
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:25 pm | #
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VICTORY
JCforPREZ | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:25 pm | #
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HIGH FIVE!!!
SPT | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:25 pm | #
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45 minutes to get a first down. WTF
PUKE | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:25 pm | #
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(walking around with SWAGGER here!) ---
FIRST DOWN!!!
WE ARE B A C K!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:25 pm | #
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Schematic advantage yields a first down.
Dekom | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:26 pm | #
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Since they covered the point spread, they will give us one 1st down, so we can cover the ND 1st down spread.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:26 pm | #
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WE WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wait ....
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:26 pm | #
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Carry Aldridge off the field, he deserves to skip the rest.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:26 pm | #
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Joe and Bill - I should add an IMHO. But I see Clausen trying to make hs QB plays against future pros. I see no growth. I see moderate physical ability but no instincts, no accuracy, and no leadership.
Really good players, including QBs, make plays....even when it seems impossible to do so.
Granted no OL or HC handicaps JC - but name a point or a play where he looked adequate this year or last unless he had five ull seconds to throw.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:26 pm | #
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...h?
v=b1cjUA9jadM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d...h?
v=deo5eoOabuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...h?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h?
v=k2kxlZDOHeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=9...feature=related
GB | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:27 pm | #
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OK, Chuckles --- get that scheme thing rocking! we got 'em right where we want 'em! At 10:19 PM ET, we turned the bleeping tide!
Come out and play, Trojans! We got your number now!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:27 pm | #
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Maybe U$C will think the game is over and go into the locker room so we can catch up.
Thank God for BEER | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:27 pm | #
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Hold on LoST BoY; did they cover? I thought it went off at 32?
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:27 pm | #
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Jim Kevin, you're being too negative!! Our D has played fairly well, especially given the fact that our pathetic O has left the on the field nearly the entire game!
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:27 pm | #
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swarbrick doesn't care about any buyout... we don't need no stinking buyout to worry about fro the sake of our student athelete...
SPT | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:28 pm | #
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Voice,
I got the humor...just trying my hand at a smart ass come back to you.
Now about Coach Jag at BC, or perhaps O'Brien at NC State.....could either one be the second coming of Frank Leahy?
knoxville irish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:28 pm | #
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2 yards to get over the 50 ...
WE DID IT!!!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:28 pm | #
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CW will have us running -- and we get clocke--watch it!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:28 pm | #
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Yes...we got a 1st down!!!!!
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:28 pm | #
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Just wanted to stop by and say congrats on your first first down.
Bwahahahahahaaaa!
Ninja Football | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:29 pm | #
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Rat,
IIRC 30 was the open. Don't know where it closed. Smart money was on $C covering big time.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:29 pm | #
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Well Jake, you played some ball...do you see anything in JC?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:29 pm | #
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my bad! another first down!! that's why CW is coaching -- FD's versus USC!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:29 pm | #
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Aldridge has been running better than Hughes all year...where has he been in this game?
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:29 pm | #
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I've been holding my tongue for a long time. I still like Charlie. I still think he should get another year. And I still want to see him and Notre Dame succeed.
But....with that said...if he gets fired....bring on Brian Kelly.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:29 pm | #
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Aldridge for the Heisman
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:29 pm | #
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Sad, sad, sad.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:30 pm | #
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That menu weis is holding has 18 different types of pastrami!!
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:30 pm | #
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"but name a point or a play where he looked adequate this year or last unless he had five ull seconds to throw."
I guess Tate and Floyd are even better than I thought, because apparently Clausen had nothing to do with those touchdowns.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:30 pm | #
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I need a freakin' bookie. Whomever said we should all put money on USC and have a great Christmas should be tabbed to fix the economy. BRILLIANT!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:30 pm | #
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what's "Heisman"?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:30 pm | #
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See what happens when we get the ball in Jimmy's golden arm!!! WE get 2 first downs!!!! GO JIMMY!!!
JCforPREZ | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:30 pm | #
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Just hand the ball off to Aldridge the rest of the game. At least he'll get some carries.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:31 pm | #
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Heisman's are those things RonPa won all the time in HS.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:31 pm | #
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Little enough, Joe S. - ...how many were fades where the onus is almost all on the receiver? How many slants or outs that require pinpoint QB passing? Not many.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:32 pm | #
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Sam Young is a stud.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:32 pm | #
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As a way to ease your pain, and because we care, we present you with A Charlie Weis Thanksgiving:
http://wolverineliberationarmy.b...y.blogspot.com/
Ninja Football | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:32 pm | #
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WHERE ARE ALL THE WEIS APOLOGISTS???? Come out, come out whereever you are ...
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:32 pm | #
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lol, jake
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:32 pm | #
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Voice,
SY knocked up the ole GF, eh?
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:33 pm | #
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I still say that Randay Edsall (UConn) will get us 8 plus wins next year; into a NC game in 3 years. With this level of talent, he'd have us at 10-1 or 11-0 this year.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:33 pm | #
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Jim K,
Clausen has a great arm, but as far as I can see, he has no fire. The really qb's make the other guys believe. I see no sign of that in him.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:33 pm | #
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That didn't look like a 3 step drop
Reno | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:33 pm | #
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That may be the only time we put up a fight all year
Thank God for BEER | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:34 pm | #
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JCForPrez/Hot4Chuck/JClawisWack, plus whatever else you're calling yourself:
Before you lay yourself down on the encrusted futon in your mother's basement and give yourself an extra treat from Rosie Palm and her five sisters as a reward for your stellar humour and multiple handle production tonight, perhaps you might consider using the internet to read up on how the game of football is played. Particularly of interest to you might be the importance of the offensive line.
You might find that it's an entirely different game than the one you still play in the backyard, by yourself, as a friendless 34-year-old.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:34 pm | #
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We're coming back!
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:34 pm | #
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YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WE SCOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:35 pm | #
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cover the spread baby...
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:35 pm | #
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Wow!!!!!!
We'll have a black man as prez in my lifteime!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:35 pm | #
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They only did that so the band could play a fucking song.
Thank God for BEER | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:35 pm | #
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I despise Petey Carroll! Okay, he's a great coach, but he's also a smirking twerp.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:35 pm | #
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Lost Boy: Are you serious? I honestly know nothing of it. I was just sarcastically saying that he never blocks anybody.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:36 pm | #
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You know, after the first four or five games, the kicking has been pretty solid. I also thought that Weis wasn't giving the kid a chance to hit an easy one since he always seemed to be trotting out there for a kick from over 40 yards out. I don't know what has happened, but he's really turned it around. His misses in the last four games have been mostly been from very long distance or a bad snap. This time, I had no doubt he was going to hit that kick.
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:36 pm | #
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Jake - I'll take the fire over the arm. Bobby Douglass had a cannon. Joe Montana's arm was adequate. Only one is HOF.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:36 pm | #
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"The really qb's make the other guys believe."
Believe what? Believe in worthless cliches? It's not Clausen's fault that the coaching of the offensive line has been derelict. Heads should roll, but don't blame the sophomore.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:36 pm | #
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Joe Subway,
Im 32... Jerk
JCforPREZ | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:37 pm | #
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JimK - you're pretty on with the JC thing, it's just that I think the primary fault is Capt Fattie; at UConn, JC is a top qb
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:37 pm | #
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Those 3 pts buys Charlie another year.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:37 pm | #
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jake..classic.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:38 pm | #
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Carroll is a great college coach. 85% wins - Rockne,Leahy, Parseghian numbers.
Plus - I have to live with this crap i LA. Carroll has these Trojans playing with more class and less gangsta trash in the last eight years than I've seen in the previous 40.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:38 pm | #
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Voice,
You said "stud." Since I knew it wasn't CFB stud, what else could it be but the "Breeder" kind?
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:39 pm | #
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I'm with you, JimK. Clausen needs to grow up, as a leader and as a man. I wouldn't bet on it. He's got a lot of smart ass in him.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:39 pm | #
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I meant "dud". Silly me.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:39 pm | #
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I despise Charlie Weis! Okay, he's a shitty coach, but he's also a smirking pile of blubber.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:35 pm | #
Fixed your post.
Ninja Football | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:40 pm | #
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Everybody likes a little ass, no one likes a smart ass.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:40 pm | #
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Does 3 points really buy the fat man another year? I want him gone but who wants the gig?
who_after_CW? | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:40 pm | #
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Irish Rat -
One bad game, and everyone is calling for Weis's head! He's shown clear improvement this year in beating 6 terrible teams as opposed to 3 terrible teams. A few more years of development and scheduling adjustment and we will be able to beat 9-10 terrible teams a year. Show some patience for the great things to come in ND football!
(I tried to capture all the apologist points. I couldn't keep the bile down enough to pull out the "it's not winning games that's important, but rather blindly supporting your coach and team through any trials" cart though)
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:40 pm | #
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gotta give B Walker some props for turning it around..been solid since the UNC game...good for Aldridge for waking up...two positives at least
NDTarheel | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:40 pm | #
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Everyone likes a little ass, but no one likes a smart one
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:40 pm | #
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Bill H - great observation. At a school like Uconn or maybe a lesser ACC school, JC might be fine. But not at this level.
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JC = not a D1 player
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:41 pm | #
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Right on, Obie! Really laughing out loud!
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:41 pm | #
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Amazing that USC has only won 1 or 2 NC's under PC; this team is the best, and second best, team in CFB. Their biggest opponent is themsleves. We used to be at that level.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:42 pm | #
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Oops. HTML fail.
Ninja Football | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:42 pm | #
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A lesser ACC school like UNC or BC, both of which beat us thus year?
knoxville irish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:42 pm | #
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I want to encourage my fellow ND alums to exercise their sense of the absurd. That's the only way to survive the weis era. waiting for weis to deliver is Waiting for Godot. There's no lack of void.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:42 pm | #
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Mike,
JIMMY is an outstanding quarterback, what the hell are you talking about?
Jimmy4Prez | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:43 pm | #
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Can we get a two-man backfield of Gogo and Didi?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:43 pm | #
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The good news is that USC's band is playing something different. I thought they only knew two songs.
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:44 pm | #
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Song girls. We need more song girls. It's the only thing that can help this telecast.
who_after_CW? | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:44 pm | #
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Next year we get UConn on the sked, and they roll us -- in South Bend! And the sad part is, they won't be going crazy over the win.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:46 pm | #
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Carroll is such a classless act. Up by 28 and throwing for more.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:46 pm | #
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I noticed the camera lingering on them much longer than the accepted "cheerleader pan" duration.
p.s. - that was a super rocket pass.
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Two different worlds:
$emi-Pro$: Sweep (insert direction here) for 10 yards.
ND: 3 "can't do anything" plays that are executed like crap, then punt.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:47 pm | #
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We look like a mediocre high school team.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:47 pm | #
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i think pc wants to score fifty
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:47 pm | #
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Bite on for USC, Petey C. You classless jerk!!
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:47 pm | #
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Sanchez has a nice touch AND can throw flames; plus, not many college kids would be able to keep alert in a dog like this game.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:48 pm | #
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Jake: Bitching about running up the score is bullshit. It isn't their job to stop their offense. It's our defense's job to stop their offense.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:48 pm | #
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Please Lord, no bowl game this year. I just can't take another game under the Robot Genius.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:48 pm | #
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who gives a shit if they are passing. it's not pete's job to stop his offense
fds | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:48 pm | #
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Voice,
I think we are just a scrimmage for winning teams.
From "We are ND" to "We are your scout team." Oy!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:48 pm | #
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Voice - we look like a "decent" HS team!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:49 pm | #
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Jake,
I hope they pass every down and put 100 on us, at least it will secure a new coach. I am currently wearing a Sanchez jersey cheering for all things trojans
Exterminator | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:49 pm | #
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Were I PC I would run out the clock , so as to keep Charlie around longer.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:49 pm | #
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No bowl game... have the new coach retain the recruiting class as his focus...
SPT | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:49 pm | #
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switching to the Oklahoma OSU game now and again...those two are on a different planet from ND as well...sigh...
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:49 pm | #
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Pete should punt on 3rd downs for the rest of the game to make us feel better.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:49 pm | #
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Fire Charlie the day after national signing day
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:50 pm | #
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Dammit, Ore St!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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Aldridge, where have you been all my life
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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People who are crying about running up the score are pathetic.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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I woke up from a nice dream this morning - NBC bought out the contract!
I'm wondering if it just might be possible for NBC to end this torture?
"Hail Mary, full of grace, show us some mercy and...."
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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I was thinking what Voice was thinking - h.s.
Running up the score is classless but necessary for style points with this BCS crap.
I was about to make a joke that now is a serious point. In 1970, when jake and I were seniors, we were beating Navy 49-0 at half. Ara suggested that they run the clock with no stoppages for any reason in the second half, and they did; he played 3rd and 4th team players the whole second half.
Class vs. crass.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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now i remember
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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lol
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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BIG questions:
IF a new coach comes in - would Jimmy be the qb? Would Crist get the call? Is Clausen a BUST?
danirish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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Q: How do you feel about the offense's execution?
A: I'm all for it.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:52 pm | #
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
ND will return to glory, I promise you, and they will exact revenge and punishment on the legion of foes like USC, MSU and their ilk like no fury this world has ever seen.
Of course, unless the ND administration gets their collective heads out of their collective asses and decides to put a quality program in front of a national audience instead of worrying about the first carbon-neutral CFA game, you and I may not live to see that fury.
p.s. USC cheerleaders...worth the 3+ hours.
c-stone | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:52 pm | #
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Mustain brings them in in one or two plays
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:53 pm | #
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Who knows if JC is a bust. How can you evaluate him under these circumstances? No blocking, no run game, no coaching.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:53 pm | #
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Ara didn't have to deal with a BCS system. Yes he was a great example of class but Pete is doing what Pete has to do. It's up to us to stop them.
knoxville irish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:53 pm | #
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Hell Yah clausen is the biggest bust since his mentor Powlus. What the hell is the administration thinking in bringing in the biggest Qb bust to mentor the second coming of himself
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I hope we keep it 52 - 3, but I doubt it
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:54 pm | #
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Remember when we recruited Marc Taylor? And we thought we would actually get him because of his connection to Clausen? Remember those days?
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:54 pm | #
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in fairness to Powlus, he was brought in to run an option system that he was an awful fit for. WHats Jimmy's excuse?
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:54 pm | #
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Clausen looks bad against even bad teams. I meant no diss earlier on the ACC - the two teams that beat us are GOOD teams - who would lose to USC or FLA or OK but 30, not the 40 to 50 that we do.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:55 pm | #
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We turned down Mustain for D Jones and Z Frasier.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:55 pm | #
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ND, what is thy name? Scrimmaging Irish? Cupcake Irish? Maybe "Sliding Irish," at least that rhymes.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:55 pm | #
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4th and 14, KNOCK THE BALL DOWN! Coaching!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:55 pm | #
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Defense hasn't quit
SPT | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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Slighting irish
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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I have to say it's surprising to see Mustain throwing deep there.
Jivas | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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knoxville, that's what I was trying to say. I've had to endure insufferable USC fans and coaches for 35 years out here; Carroll's consistent positive persona, not arrogant, is refreshing.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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Too bad he didn't run that one back...serves them right for going for it.
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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Three picks with two inside the 10. And it matters not one bit.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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Dana,
Slighting the fans?
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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2 or 3? How pathetic!
Exterminator | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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jc; 8-16 for 20yds. I'm 67 yrs.old and I would have been stats then that. & I played in a single-wing.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:57 pm | #
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Hello Gents,
Just flew in from Chicago (and boy are my arms tired...sorry, couldn't resist!) Saw the score, and I'm sure the "Fire CW" rants and comments about his body habitus are running rampant on this post. I really don't feel like reading 600+ mostly negative posts, nor do I want to rewind my DVR at this point. Can any kind soul update me on anything that was said or done of any importance? Thanks in advance!
DenverIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:58 pm | #
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jim m maybe we should be trying the single wing....
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:58 pm | #
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ND puts the OL in OLE~!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:58 pm | #
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Trojans are bummed to go the Rose Bowl instead playing OK or TX.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:58 pm | #
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CW said he was going recruitng after this game on the West Coast.
Is he being delusional??
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:58 pm | #
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Our performance tonight is like a 34 grade versus what USC has allowed this year --
O U C H!!!!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:58 pm | #
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the defense is playing well for the 50+ minutes they've played
ac | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:58 pm | #
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ND is running up the first down total. Classless!
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:59 pm | #
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defense looks OK when they tackle...
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:59 pm | #
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The only thing CW should do on the west coast is swim out to sea.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:00 pm | #
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Jim.....
Were you at Princeton during the Iacavazzi years?
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:00 pm | #
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DenverIrish: We were viciously pummeled by our biggest rivals for the second consecutive year. The OL looked like a HS team, Clausen looked horrendous, we didn't get a first down until the 3rd, and our defense has been unable to stop anything. Now we're starting fights. I'm going to drink myself into a coma.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:00 pm | #
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Less than 100 yards --- we really suck. We are a f-----g disgrace.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:00 pm | #
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I'm a patient person. But there is a limit.
indy | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:00 pm | #
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Voice: that was classic!
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:00 pm | #
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Sliding Irish have scored (3 pts). Made a couple red zone pics on Sanchez. Took until 3rd Q for a first down.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:01 pm | #
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Thanks, Mike! Ditto here, but just starting, so it's going to be a LONG night!
DenverIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:01 pm | #
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CW - you piece of trash! You would say yes to a bowl, you cheap fraud!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:01 pm | #
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Return to Glory!
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second, Mike? I was in the Coliseum 2 years ago when they pummeled us with brady Quinn 42-10. 42-10, 38-0, 38-3.
Is this what the "give CW/JC a chance" mean by improvement?
38-0 vs. 38'3?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:02 pm | #
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PC lifts schollies if we get into the endzone.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:02 pm | #
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and now we are demonstrating the kind of classlessness that I always associated with the USC of old.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:02 pm | #
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TV talking heads say that ND will go to a bowl game if it doesn't conflict with exams. Can the ND profs please adjust their exam schedules to spare us the misery? Any of you alums have some influence?
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:03 pm | #
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Of course we take a bowl bid. We didn't go last year and there is no way we turn anything down at this point. Remember when we were 5-2 and were talking about a "name" bowl bid?
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:03 pm | #
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New ND football book RETURN TO GORY.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:03 pm | #
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it was 44-24 two years ago, and Brady played his butt off...rhema mcknight was dropping balls left and right that night
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:03 pm | #
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JimK: I honestly think I blocked that out of my memory.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:03 pm | #
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JimK - how many minutes of football like this did you see under Ara? Or, perhaps seconds? Or -- did you ever see any one play that would be allowed under him?
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:04 pm | #
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Brilliant, Dana Payne!
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:04 pm | #
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with good reason, Mike!! it was a bigger disappointment cause I thought BQ and JS and Walker and co. could do it...
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:04 pm | #
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thank God this is over
andrew | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:04 pm | #
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McDrop was in rare form on 4th down IIRC. Sigh.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:04 pm | #
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We're 3 points better than last year!
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:04 pm | #
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It's a good thing we brought a trio of running backs, else this last minute might get ugly.
And Clausen just overthrew him by 40 yards.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:04 pm | #
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Under 100 yds in total offense. Weis is an offensive genius.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:05 pm | #
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jc's lightin' up now.
Brhahahahaha.
Can't they just run out the clock.
Geez Louise.
Where's Jim??
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:05 pm | #
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15 losses in two years. Charlie just keeps setting record after record.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:05 pm | #
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Clausen thought Floyd was running a fade
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:05 pm | #
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Am I mistaken, or does Clausen look bored?
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:06 pm | #
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Bill H - we never looked this bad under Ara, and inherited a 2-7 team. His worst record was 7-2-1; worst loss, I think, was 35-3 vs. Nebraska Orange Bowl after the '71 season. 2 years later he was 12-0 NC.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:06 pm | #
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ND Alum - THIS team will "of course" go to a bowl game; true Notre Dame wouldn't allow an offer to be made, let alone accepted.
It's how we came to show the 'product' on the field tonight.
All bad to us, for a decade, if we go to a bowl.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:06 pm | #
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Welp, that handle won't drink itself. To the McCormack!
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:06 pm | #
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that last play was pretty good.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:06 pm | #
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15? There's a chance for 16 with a bowl game...God, I want that bowl game streak to end.
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:06 pm | #
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After the Syracuse and Navy game, I could not watch the game. It's not ND football--it's Weis football and it makes me sick..It appears from the score on CBS Sportsline that PC is keeping the score down.
Jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:07 pm | #
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Nice season.
Thanks CW. Thanks Coaching Staff.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:07 pm | #
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jake you are not mistaken. Jimmy always looks like he's so friggin bored and that just being at the game is a real imposition.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:07 pm | #
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The last offensive play was a metaphor for Charlie's reign.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:08 pm | #
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Kevin White "Burress"-ed us with Weis.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:08 pm | #
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Tridentum
Correct Charlie's record is offensive.
New TV series "Charlies Angles"
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:08 pm | #
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Dana before.
Graduated in '62
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:08 pm | #
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"the culture they've built here" - that used to be us.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:08 pm | #
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that sums up ND football nicely:
"38-3 and not as close as the score might indicate"
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:09 pm | #
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Good thing Charlie can't recruit thugs, they might start fights.
Oh, wait.......
Ninja Football | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:09 pm | #
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Nothing about the way this game unfo,lded tonight surprised me; for anyone for whom it did, you are delusional. And btw when a team is winning by a lot and throwing passes late in a game, that is not classless or running up the score.
Alum Son | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:10 pm | #
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Just fire the gasbag.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:10 pm | #
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I effing hate when they sing the alma mater after getting their asses kicked.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:10 pm | #
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Jim K - it was actually 40-6 to Nebraska, Jan 1, 1973. Last game of THAT year, the 24-23 Win over Alabama in the Orange Bowl, The Bear, and a national title.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:10 pm | #
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CW just gives no reason to like/keep him.
Dekom | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:10 pm | #
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Anyone have a depth-chart? Who is #90 on ND, and why is he already balding at 22 (I'm guessing max)? Poor soul!
DenverIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:11 pm | #
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guys, switch over to ABC...great (football) game going on there. take notes, dream.
c-stone | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:11 pm | #
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But who would want the job now...this blows. I had a really long, eloquent analytical rant...but instead, this just blows.
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:11 pm | #
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What happened to saluting the fans with helmets and getting off the field?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:11 pm | #
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Another superlative coaching and offensive performance. I'm so proud.
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:11 pm | #
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Voice -- I'm with you on that one (alma mater) -- too much smoke and mirrors -- give me an effing coach
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:11 pm | #
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Its not often when a game goes EXACTLY the way everyone thinks it would.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:12 pm | #
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Cosmo is a good guy.
Scranton kid. Like Joe Biden. W/O the bull$hit.
Tiger Club Member. The most elite of the eating/social clubs.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:12 pm | #
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I thought the alma mater was only at home. But I guess with the band at the game...
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:13 pm | #
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Early under/over on meaningful transfers/de-commits? 3.5
Alum Son | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:13 pm | #
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That holding hands and singing shit was devised and implemented by Frontbutt, and it needs to be stopped immediately. Pussies.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:13 pm | #
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"You are what your record says you are."
Not really. ND is really much, much worse than their record says they are.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:14 pm | #
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Hopefully, the last game ever with Weis.
Jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:14 pm | #
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So when does ND make an announcement that CW is either THE coach or Not????
Is Cierra Woods and others having 2nd thoughts.
Evans, Watts, etc.
Golic's kid should not be on schoolie.
$hit Joe Montana paying the way for his son & paid the way for his two daughters.
You keep on giving the Duerson/Golic Schollies and you're just wasting good money.
Hell at least bring in a Dantley.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:15 pm | #
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Frontbutt - lmao!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:15 pm | #
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Jim,
my dad was a PU grad in 46 also Tiger...don't know how elite he was.
saw alot of single wing as akid.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:17 pm | #
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Possibly the weakest sked in ND history and (SDSU/Navy - remember the ends of those?) we end up 6-6?
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:17 pm | #
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Charlie did OK with Ty's players
but not his own
Richrichie | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:17 pm | #
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Thank God, the reg season is over.
But wait, there's more suffering: Still time to lose another Godforsaken bowl game to a pathetic opp.
Quietly get a new coach - before the Bowl loss.
Fire CW after Feb 1.
From the ashes, we shall rise.
Without a deadweight staff, we will rise really effing fast!
Go, Irish! Hire a top HC + Staff!
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:18 pm | #
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Bill H - even more remarkable - we lose 1/1/73 40-6 - --THAT year, as you note, Ara turns it around to 12 -0 and that great, great Sugar Bowl.
Vintage Ara. and with the unheralded Tom Clements at QB.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:19 pm | #
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Let the coach of the Interhall Champs coach the Irish in the bowl game.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:20 pm | #
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Voice is on Fire!!
Oh Dana. The Tiger Club is #1.
Rag your Daddy call him an elitist.
He'll smile at you.
The two dib disappointments in my life with Princeton.
1) They dropped the Single Wing.
2) They hired that imposter Dr. Cornell (My Brother) West.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:20 pm | #
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Is there anywhere to see the post game press conference online?
Ninja Football | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:20 pm | #
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I'd hate losing him, but I'd hate a gem like Michael Floyd to rot with the crap program we have today - I feel bad that a great HS talent, Sam Young, was destroyed by Captain Fattie.
Remember the pipe dream days of 'Munir Price' and "Paddy Mullen'? Back when we were still connected to the ghosts and echoes.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:20 pm | #
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Forget the bowl game. Fire Weis on Monday.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:21 pm | #
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Shouldn't they just fire Weis on Monday. Our recruiting will be be better without him and HS players will want to play for Brian Kelly.
Jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:22 pm | #
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The presser should be good for some laughs.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:22 pm | #
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I remember that Orange bowl game against the Huskers, my jr year.
Actually I never had the negative feelings towards the Huskers others do. Devaney actually showed us mercy that game.
I guess that carried over, to our current times.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:23 pm | #
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Weis is destroying good HS talent. He's good at that, and apparently good at eating.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:23 pm | #
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don't just fire his ass. Slap him around a little bit too.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:23 pm | #
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Munir Prince..."whoosh!" Sigh...
ND Alum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:23 pm | #
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Jim K - with the talent on this team, Ara would NEVER have lost 2 games (though, I might feel a little shaky versus the crew we faced tonight).
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:23 pm | #
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Jake, Sorry to disagree with you, but our recruiting couldn't get much better than it has been under Weis. About the only positive thing I'm still willing to say about him at this point!
DenverIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:23 pm | #
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It gives us something to hang our hats on.
Waiting for Father Jenkins & AD Swarbrick to make an announcement.
It's not as though they haven't been discussing this scenario.
Stays or adios.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:23 pm | #
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Yes, Michael Floyd can be our next Tim Brown. We just need a coach who has just a small bit of Lou Holtz (heart, soul and desire) in him and can sit up straight.
Jake | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:24 pm | #
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The alma mater is effing annoying. Getting rid of that waste will be a bonus when CW is canned.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:24 pm | #
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Our players: Talented but gutless.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:24 pm | #
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Voice; I love Voice. Slap him around.
brhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:25 pm | #
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Tridentum - CW's game is "winning" at outrecruiting other coaches (and he is damn good at that). Now, as to coaching that talent...
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:25 pm | #
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Next year could be the year I rebuild my porch and do the roof during football season. It all depends upon what Swarbrick does. My wife is hoping Weis sticks around.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:25 pm | #
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you inspire me to be a better man, jim masterson. lol
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:26 pm | #
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I wonder if Chuck will point at the 38-3 score as proof that the team is improving. It was 38-0 last season after all.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:27 pm | #
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C-Stone, great point.
The Sooners actually know what the middle of the f*cking football field looks like. Slants, square-ins, dumps over the middle. The Sooner offense looks un-friggin' stoppable. They've got to be in the Big 12 Championship game. Sooners-Gators; you heard it hear first!
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:27 pm | #
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Tri,
Is your wife an ND hater? Why else would she wish such an awful burden on our beloved program?
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:28 pm | #
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Read this $hit!
LOS ANGELES -- The outcome of Saturday night's matchup between Notre Dame and Southern California game was decided early. What remains in doubt is Charlie Weis' job security with the Fighting Irish.
Mark Sanchez passed for 267 yards and two touchdowns, USC 's hard-hitting defense thoroughly dominated Notre Dame, and the fifth-ranked Trojans rolled to a 38-3 victory over the Irish and their beleaguered coach.
Notre Dame didn't get a first down until the last play of the third quarter on a 15-yard run by James Aldridge. The Irish had run 30 plays for 23 yards before Aldridge broke loose, drawing a derisive cheer from the partisan crowd of 90,689 at the Los Angeles Coliseum.
USC finished with 22 first downs and 449 yards of total offense while Notre Dame had four first downs and 91 yards. The Trojans have allowed 10 touchdowns and an NCAA low 7.8 points per game this season.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:28 pm | #
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Right you are Bill - Ara takes this bunch to a BCS game. I'm not as fond of Holtz but liked him - he'd be maybe 10-2 with this group.
Love the "Capt Fattie" monniker.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:28 pm | #
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Jim ,
In addition to dropping the single wing....my dad regretted coeducation there as well.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:28 pm | #
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Voice - I think the 'gutless' comes from the coaching side; a player is an extension of his coach, and save Kuntz and a few others this year, and Laws and a couple last year, they are aimless on the field.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:29 pm | #
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So this is what it is like looking from the bottom up.....
valpodoc | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:30 pm | #
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Thank GOD for Brandon Walker or we'd have been shut out. I do have to compliment the kid; he went through the sh*ts this year and he kept getting better. F*ck Weis for putting the OTs on him; we had a f*cking 2nd and goal at the freakin' 3 in that game and the "Offensive Genius" couldn't figure out a way to get it in the endzone.
How many friggin' times has OU thrown the ball to the MIDDLE of the field in the redzone? Every time?
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:30 pm | #
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Admitting Michelle My Belle has to be in the top five Princeton mistakes, eh jim?
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:30 pm | #
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You know, Ara is only a bit older than Joe P - maybe get him and Hlotz back as interims for a year or two...add wishful smiley...
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:30 pm | #
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This talent is not as good as you guys think it is
Richrichie | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:30 pm | #
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Tomorrow is another day
valpodoc | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:31 pm | #
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Four 4.
4. FOUR FIRST DOWNS IN 60 MINUTES OF FB.
That is a disgrace of Biblical, I mean Biblical proportions.
Honest to God. AI don't know anything about the game, but I could promise you to get more then 4...4....4...FOUR FIRST DOWNS!!!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:31 pm | #
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Lost Boy - She knows I won't watch another ND game with Weis at the helm. That means Saturdays are left for "projects" rather than parking my arse on the couch and downing Spotted Cow while screaming at the TV.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:31 pm | #
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The talent is good enough to beat Pitt, SDyracuse, Mich State and BC
valpodoc | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:32 pm | #
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jim masterson - that piece seems somehow kind to us.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:32 pm | #
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richirichie- some of us have suspected the level of the "talent" all along. I'll say again - only Floyd and tate make USC's team, 3rd squad on the depth chart.
But neither Ara nor Holtz had really total blue chip talent at skill positions - they develped great OL and DL players, though.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:33 pm | #
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Valpodoc, Nope, that was LAST year, this is having your arm Indian-burned by your older brother. This is seeing SO MANY wasted recruits not able to live up to their full potential as a result of poor coaching. This is actually having expectations of a winning, and possibly impressive, turnaround season!
DenverIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:34 pm | #
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the only way to save face at this point would be to win the emerald bowl
brian custer | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:35 pm | #
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valpodoc-
your "looking up from the bottom" line will haunt me this winter -- and CW has taken us deep into the "Nuclear Winter" of Notre Dame football
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:35 pm | #
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I GOT IT!
Instead of developing players we've been developing a head coach. Now I realize why we suck so bad.
How long till we start seeing results from the head coach?
Rome | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:35 pm | #
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It was. Wait till the reporter digests what he just saw.
Dana. I loved the ladies.
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Voice; Brhahahaha on Michelle. How about Eliot #9 Spitzer & Ralph "Mr. President" Nader.
Not to mention my neighbour, 'Crazy'Jim Cramer.
What a list of all-stars huh?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:35 pm | #
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JimK - you were there when Ara recruited a 187 pound, gangly athlete (only St Olaf's also offered him a schollie) - Ara bulked him up, and he played both OL and TE.
Name slips me ....something "ghostly" about it
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:37 pm | #
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Good point JimK. Wendell Tyler's kid, 'SC's FOURTH TAILBACK would get 30 carries a game for us. Aldridge and Hughes would NEVER see the field if we had that kid.
Overall, I think Poodle took it easy on us. The pass to the endzone on 4th and 14 was a little dickish, but I was shocked he didn't fake punt on one of the 4th and 2s near mid-field in the 3rd quarter.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:37 pm | #
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I think PC even beats CW in the class department; the more I see of this moron (I'm not referring to his caloric intake) the less and less I see him as Notre Dame material
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:41 pm | #
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Actually the single wing might work except that presumes a rushing attack.
The literature is quite extensive on the internet. A guy like Tony Rice would have been a hell of tailback
Indeed the advent of the shotgun as common formations is a throwback to degree to the single wing.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:41 pm | #
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Bill H
Dave Casper?
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:43 pm | #
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Dana, you nailed it
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:44 pm | #
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Any 'presser' highlights? Imagine if it were the last 'Charlie Presser' ever. That would be great, but I'll bet he gets one more year to take a flat team into November flirting with the magic .500.
Sweet!
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:45 pm | #
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If Casper were recruited today...he might choose St.Olaf's.
He's NFL HOF, BTW.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:45 pm | #
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Rat, I was gonna mention that when tyler was playing. I swear I haven't seen him all season and we get inundated with USC highlights here in LA.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:46 pm | #
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I need to laugh tonight. Quick someone post about how we should keep the gasbag.
Not That Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:47 pm | #
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Dave Casper and Pete Demmerle, what a tandem. Demmerle would have been a great pro, too, but for an injury. So he made a huge fortune in insurance then died far too young of a muscular disease, I believe.
I know all this only because of this excellent site.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:47 pm | #
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Jim:
speaking of Cramer I thought Fox News did a hit piece on Cramer's stock picks.
Never saw it, did you?
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:48 pm | #
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Dana & Voice are the Greatest.
I'd pay Voice's salary if ND mad him their head FB Coach.
No kidding.
Voice suited up for the Irish. He knows what it takes.
$hoot it's not quantum physics, it's friggen football.
Line up and punish the people opposite you.
You're 1st class athletes. You have rapid fire reflexes, great eye, hand co-ordiantion. Look around put a body on someone.
JHC think smart and get real.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:48 pm | #
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"Quick someone post about how we should keep the gasbag."
Charlie provides schematic drawings of sump pumps to any and all members of the team who ask for one. He's also going to be an honorary judge in the 2009 National Meat Goat Evaluation Festival in Austin Texas.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:50 pm | #
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As I reflect on the play-calling in that game, I can't give it any higher grade than a D. D is not NOT Notre Dame material. How many runs up the middle of screens behind WAY behind the line did Gasbag run on 3rd and short? At least 4. The only intermediate pass I can remember off hand was the one to Grimes in garbage time that was dropped. The 3-receiver combo that Blackledge broke down on one of USC's TDs (I think their 3rd) was a GREAT play. Did we EVER run anything like that? No.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:50 pm | #
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Valpodoc, You from Valparaiso, Indiana?
DenverIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:50 pm | #
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The OL problem is that CW has bullied Latina into an NFL style of play; pass block first. Sam Young was all universe in HS, and he comes from South Florida.
Think of it -- do you think USC's RB's would do much, if running behind the lack of an OL, like ours? Jim Brown would be hard pressed to gain 1500 yards with this OL.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:51 pm | #
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Yeah, Joe S. - think of all the players we won with big time under Ara and Lou. Demmerle. Kris Haines. Tome Gatewood. Ken MacAfee. Mike Creaney - no NFL receivers there.
And lest some here be too young to remember, we played one of the toughest scheds in the country nearly every year.
That's long ago. But somewhere out there there's an Ara or lou in waiting.
It's not Charlie.
He's the second coming of Gerry Faust.
On second though, Faust was a nice guy.
Former pro coach, ND grad - CW is the reincarnation of Joe Kuarich.
Oldsters will remember how bad a coach HE was.
But he never embarrassed us quite this badly.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:52 pm | #
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Well, JimK, nothing like ND to make 'SCs 4th team TB a household name. Then again, next year he'll be in the rotation, and 2 years from now he'll be kicking our a$$ all over the field.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:52 pm | #
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Jim Brown could still run against us however....Syracuse did pretty well without him the last time.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:53 pm | #
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Joe Subway thank you; however those are not enough reasons to keep him IMHO. But hey, we made a first down before the 4th quarter, that has to count for something.
Not That Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:55 pm | #
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Rat, I'm still hoping that two years from now something might be different for us.
But I'm also still waiting for the return of $.99/gal. gas.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:55 pm | #
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Yeah, Kuharich was not only an ND grad and OL great, he was actuall a native of South Bend, Indiana.
It must have been very disappointing for him to fail as a football coach at ND, but he did.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:55 pm | #
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Dan; You should have seen 'old' Jim slinking around town the week after he told everybody and their bro., to buy Bear Stearns on Friday at $79.
It opened that Monday at $2.
I told the cops to have him on their suicide watch list.
Remember when he was hawking Lenny Dykstra?
Lenny "Nails" Dykstra. Lenny's dumber then a box of nails.
He's delinquent on about a zillion vendors. Brhahahahahahaha.
Oh, Jim had to close his SF office. Lost to much money.
He's a lot saner then he once was. The miracle of modern pharma.
Those bi-polar meds are amazing!!
Ima waiting on Jim from Rodondo. I know he went to the game. He had to. He couldn't disappoint his son.
Let's wait for his comments, which should be funny and beautiful to read.
Such as; Lambert sucks, CW is a *** Sack of ****. Mo couldn't tackle Him.
Etc.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:55 pm | #
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Dana, Jim Brown could run against anyone - he was the Babe Ruth of college/pro running.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:55 pm | #
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Bear Stearns equals BS
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:57 pm | #
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Talk about talent, Snoop Dogg has a youth football league. They have some of the most skilled little guys.
Will the best of them will end up at SC or ND?
Richrichie | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:57 pm | #
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Bill H, There were several times this season, most notably the Syracuse game, where the O-line was pass-blocking, and had no friggin clue how to pick up a blitzing defender. That should be a skill that these "5-star" recruits have tattooed into their brain to begin with. I agree that Latina had to change his mindset, but he, as well as the touted recruits, should be able to grasp that concept after this long!
DenverIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:57 pm | #
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Could ND fire Weis and just not tell him? Like that weird character in 'Office Space'. Just can him, move his office to an equipment room, bring another coach in and wait until he takes the hint?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:58 pm | #
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Jim Masterson - how much more play can JRB get out of Ty? After all, this wasn't ALL CW's fault, was it?
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:58 pm | #
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Joe K. Smartest man in America.
He was GM & Coach at the Eagles after the ND job.
As GM he signed said coach, HIM, to a 7 year extension.
No $hit. True story.
Unheard of in those days.
Leonard Tose was the Eagles owner. Nice guy, bad owner, worse gambler. Lost literally tens of million of 70's size money at AC.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:58 pm | #
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Yes, Joe S - Kuharich was one of the great all time two way linemen, a guy who knew the game inside and out.
Do you remember, though? - the rap on him was that he was too much an NFL type who couldn't relate to college kids.
So he is let go; Hughie Devore goes 2-7 as an interim - and then Ara takes Kuharich's players and comes within 2 minutes of an NC.
Lightning........
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:58 pm | #
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Bill H
You are right about Jim Brown..
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 11:59 pm | #
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"Front Butt" was the call of the evening. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Well, it is abundantly clear that both Coach Weis and Coach Crennell (sp?) over in Cleveland both rode The Hooded Cheater's gravy train to big pay days. Time to blow everything up again and start anew. I'd take back Willingham at this point. The fact that I'm not kidding is absolutely horrifying. What a lowly state this program has sunk to over the past fifteen years. The only good thing about this season as stated earlier was Voice's "Front Butt" comment. Good night to Juan and all.
Fighting Binny | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:00 am | #
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If the kids are being mentored by Snoop Dogg, I think a fair number of them might end up at Crowbar U.
If Jimmy Kimmel starts a youth league though, I can see a lot of those kids going to ND.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:01 am | #
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Ty is so far back in the side-view mirror, he doesn/t look mis-shaped at all.
4 years is 48 months.
Geez. That old saw is exactly that; an old saw.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:01 am | #
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Denver - there's something like I've never seen before that's wrong with this OL.
You're correct in that the OL players should 'know' more than our guys are showing. I think that, at their worst, even Temple looked far more efficient regarding OL play.
Just amazing!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:02 am | #
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Joe Subway- your "Office Space" comment drew the 2nd out-loud laugh from me tonight. The first was from RedMahoney about his now kicked and deceased cat.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:04 am | #
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SB Trib. Read the last few lines.
LOS ANGELES — What began as a heated jawing contest between Notre Dame and USC players on Saturday night came close to erupting into something much uglier before order was finally restored.
In a scene reminiscent of the one that preceded last week's Michigan-Ohio State rivalry contest, the full roster of both teams stood at around the 10-yard line, jumping up and down menacingly for several minutes while exchanging angry words. Police officers came running out of the tunnel, but game officials eventually were able to get the situation under control.
The scene began when Notre Dame exited the tunnel and entered the field for its pregame warm-ups. A group of Notre Dame players stopped to respond to taunts from USC players standing around the 10 waiting for them, and soon the entire rosters from both teams had sprinted into the fray.
When things finally seemed to have settled down, Notre Dame linebacker Toryan Smith and defensive end Morrice Richardson appeared to engage in some fierce pushing and shoving with several Trojan players. A few moments later, a handful of USC players had to be escorted away from a jawing contest near the 30-yard line with several members of the Notre Dame football staff.
Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen and safety Sergio Brown broke away from the pack to mock members of the USC marching band, standing along the sideline.
It was not immediately clear if any penalties had been doled out.
Staff Writer Jeff Carroll:
(574) 235-6382
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:04 am | #
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And of course Pete Carroll sucked as a pro coach. He was a boob, and I can still remember him trying to get in his players' faces during games, giving them that rah-rah stuff that they had no time for.
He was a pro coach loser.
Then he comes to SC and he becomes the modern day Knute Rockne. Look at his record. It's true.
You just never know.
But you know that Charlie's gotta go.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:05 am | #
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Imagine, if we make the classless move to go to a bowl, this once 4-1 team, playing our weakest sked (ever?) will end up 6-7!?!
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:06 am | #
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Denver, were you referring to the play in the 4th when a back 'SC defender blitzed and came through untouched to sack Jimmah?
This may sound twisted, but this is the best I've felt after an ND loss in awhile. Why? Because, I had absolutely ZERO expectation of winning and the way this game turned out was even more laughable than I could have possibly imagined.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:06 am | #
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SB Tribune's Eric Hansen.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/...276/1021/
Sports
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:07 am | #
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They mocked members of the USC marching band?
A new low.
A bad idea too. I'll bet the sousaphone player had been considering transferring to ND to replace Sam Young next year. But now, forget it.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:08 am | #
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Rat, One of MANY horrendous plays by our (improved) O-line this year!
DenverIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:09 am | #
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i would say the defining play of this game was when some ND punk (name not important) tried to talk trash to Joe McKnight, and McKnight responded by pointing at the score board.
ferplexion | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:10 am | #
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The Honor of Notre Dame.
Jeff Carroll SBTrib.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/...282/1021/
Sports
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:15 am | #
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BTW - Jow Subway, thanks for correcting me before about the 'CW eat steak and lobster' line; it was the most classless thing on here tonight, a sign of my frustration and inability to deal with it.
Sorry
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:17 am | #
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KEEP CHARLIE WEIS -- VISIT THE SITE -- SIGN THE PETITION
Solution | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:18 am | #
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WWW.KEEPCHARLIEWEIS.COM
Solution | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:19 am | #
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A better than average college coach can win at ND. Fanboys like Faust and Weis and hacks like Davie and Ty can give us 6-6 records, failures against BC and MSU and blowout loses to real teams (USC) year after year.
A better than average college coach can come in and be a hero with the stockpiles of raw talent finally gathered in the Bend.
Both Stanford and Arizona gave USC a better game this year. Weis has had his chance. Keeping him in 2009 will just dig the program into deeper ground as the team and supporters will go through the motions...waiting for a college coach.
Gold Wave | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:19 am | #
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Jim Mast- EXCELLENT post from Eric Hansen. But, if you're Swarbrick the inaction is still action. What's that line from the Rush song, Limelight I think it is: " ... if you decide not to choose, you still have made a choice ..." He's got to make the choice for someone new. Sticking with Gasbag could taint his just beginning career. He'd get one pass if the next coach doesn't work out. But if he sticks with Weis and then the next coach doesn't work out, he's in big trouble.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:20 am | #
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Bravo Gold Wave. Cogently stated.
BTW - the ONE hopeful sign - whether Weis goes or stays - Swarbrick seems to know what he was doing, and unless HE is full of hot air, his comment that retaining CW or letting him go is a decision to be made irrespective of the buyout - that attitude at least inspires more confidence than I've had in the atlst. dept. in a decade or more.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:22 am | #
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Gold Wave, great point; I don't remember the Arizona score, but Stanford, scored 23 against 'SC. And we managed 3. Wow.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:23 am | #
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Rat - self-admitted jerk Harbaugh vs. non-admitted jerk Weis.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:24 am | #
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I guess Stanford kept improving, unlike ND. The lack of improvement is what's really hard to stomach, and in a nutshell it's what really indicts Weis as a coach.
Bill H., you show great character in admitting your mistake.
And my pick for comment of the year goes to Voice in the Wilderness for his brilliant "Stuff McGuffie in a tuba" during the Michigan game.
Pure greatness.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:27 am | #
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the piece JM posted is a 'must-read', soe relaly good points: I'm reading Swarbrick's line as CW's butt being on the fryer.
For those who missed it: (Final)
Cincinatti 30
Syracuse 10
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:29 am | #
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Thank you JimK and Irish Rat.
USC 17- Arizona 10...down to the last few minutes.
There are reasons why Bob Davie is doing TV for ABC/ESPN, Ty is 0-11 and Faust was .500 at Akron and Weis needs to leave ND=all coaching hacks or fanboys.
Gold Wave | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:31 am | #
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Not to give CW a mulligan (I'd prefer the NCAA give us the Death Penalty) -- but something happened with this team after Weis got on Golden Tate's case, as if the team went back to last year.
We looked 'on the way' at UNC, at the half. Then it ended.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:35 am | #
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I realize ND's offensive line protects The Golden Boy about as well as Princess Diana's security detail stopped the paparazzi, but can somebody please explain why The Schematic Assvantage didn't at least let Sharpley get in for a series (or quarter) or two?
If for no other reason than to keep Jimmmmmay!! from getting killed (physically and mentally)?
And anybody have any REAL news or rumors to report regarding when we will kick Front Butt back to the curb where he belongs?
Notre Dame has become a National Joke.
Will it ever end?
Straight Edge | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:58 am | #
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If Mark Dantonio can beat ND, why would he would want to come our way?
Then again, there was this guy named Ara. Or is Pat Fitzgerald the new era of Ara? I would love to be in the interview room with aforementioned coaches. Brian Kelly can swing by also. Lou Holtz should get the final say in the big decision.
Anyway, we got our own Jabba version of John L. Smith.
Urban Meyer please come home! Your kids are getting older now and ND is still a good place to go to school and our 21 other sports are on the rise.
Weis sucks | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:04 am | #
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I'd say we're on a down-cycle, straight edge. You're pretty observant.
I hope you told it to Nebraska, Miami, Florida State, Alabama, USC, OU, UT, Tennessee, Penn State, and Michigan, too.
Why are you giving these opinions out for free when you could be paid for them?
NDdallas | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:05 am | #
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Dallas,
What are you talking about?
I was mostly asking about the QB and O-line situations.
Or are you saying It's All Moot as long as Front Butt is there?
If so, then I would agree.
PS -- Would you like to send me some money? I can be bought out easier (and cheaper) than Certain People...
Straight Edge | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:10 am | #
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It won't be 37-0, but probably not far off.
IndyEsq 11.25.08 - 11:50 am
--not only did he pretty much call the score (great job!) but READ HIS POST! What he says about how we should pick our next head coach - the right way - is 100 % accurate!
(AT least I've been thinking the same things, but have been too lazy to write it. Read his post and the day will seem much brighter).
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:11 am | #
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.....and, while I like my 'Captain Fattie,' the name 'Front Butt' is too precious.
We need a coach who is younger, hungry (not the way this guy is) and whose eyes widen when he sees all that is available at du Lac.
We will find him. We will win again, in the manner of historic Notre Dame.
I'll be wormfood long before it happens.
Bill H | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:18 am | #
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I simply ask this:
What in the HELL will you know a year from now that we do not know RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
This is Al Pacino in "The Insider":
"And now, even now, when every word of what Wigand has said on our show is printed, the entire deposition of his testimony in a court of law in the State of Mississippi, the cat *totally* out of the bag, you're still standing here debating! Don, what the hell else do you need?"
To hell with front butt.
Subway Floridian | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:27 am | #
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Fromn SBT
ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick, who met the media in the stadium tunnel after the game, said he planned to next meet with Weis at their regular Monday meeting time, but admitted it might be Dec. 8 rather than this Monday, since Weis plans to stay out on the West Coast to recruit.
GB | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:28 am | #
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He can stay out there.
Subway Floridian | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:29 am | #
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How does Coach Weis explain his limbo status as Notre Dame's Head Coach if he has not been assured of such continued status.
I don't think Swarbrick or Father Jenkins would be yanking CW's chain.
It would seem either a decision has not been made, which would be be deceitful to the kids, or CW has been assured he will return.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:54 am | #
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I would presume that Jay took this picture. Excellent seats for a bad game. I hope he and all who went to the game had fun anyway.
GB | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:54 am | #
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Bill H, I think your post about the Tate/NC thing is spot on. WTF happened? The competition got a little bit stiff after NC, but the decline was dramatic. That first half at NC really led me to believe we might be turning the corner, and then the wheels absolutely fell off. I would give a year of my life to know what locker room dynamics, if any, contributed to the collapse.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 2:27 am | #
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USC annihilated Ohio State's senior laden team with an extra week of preparation, so what did anyone expect? How can we let them have a bye week before us anyways? USC crapped on this rivalry by not coming to South Bend in November, then they started playing UCLA the week after (as if we're a second rate finale), and now they're squeezing in an extra week of practice. We should return the favor by only going to Cali in October. We set ourselves up for cataclysmic disappointment by ending the season like this. If ND decides to find a new coach, what are the odds his term ends in exactly 4 years in the same place? If the past is any indication, odds are 3 to 1.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:24 am | #
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if weis is let go, what is the effect of losing corwin brown to the current and recruited defensive players. i have heard them say nothing but amazing things about cb.
just asking.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:55 am | #
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Dana; Len Dykstra,
Ex-Met Lenny Dykstra settles bill with accountants, then runs mouth
BY THOMAS ZAMBITO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Monday, November 24th 2008, 10:25 PM
Ex-Met Lenny Dykstra chomps on a licorice stick Monday outside Manhattan courthouse after settlement with accounting firm on $138,872 bill.
Ex-Met star Lenny Dykstra - chewing nonstop on a Twizzler licorice stick - walked out of court Monday after reaching a deal with an accounting firm that claimed he reneged on a $138,872 bill.
Dykstra hammered out the settlement with DDK & Co. behind the closed doors of Manhattan federal Magistrate Judge Debra Freeman's courtroom.
Neither Dykstra, 45, nor the Manhattan accounting firm would comment on the settlement - but that didn't stop the cocky former All-Star known as "Nails" from talking - and talking and talking and talking.
"We're Mitch Williams in the ninth," Dykstra said when asked about the suit, inexplicably referring to his former Phillies teammate who served up a World Series-losing homer in 1993 to Joe Carter of the Toronto Blue Jays.
"I like to pretend I got hit by a lot of pitches," he said.
Dykstra has scoffed at how much DDK & Co. charged him and his wife for preparing their 2006 tax returns.
"Did they actually think I would pay that much for a tax return? That's insane," he said in February shortly after the accounting firm hauled him into court.
Dykstra writes a financial-advice column for TheStreet.com, but a series of embarrassing suits has portrayed him as a credit risk.
His former legal team in the DDK & Co. case resigned after accusing him of being a deadbeat on his legal bills.
The former center fielder bristled when reminded of the private jet company suing him for allegedly trying to dodge a $7,000 bill.
"That's ashtray money, bro," said Dykstra, who has earned millions as a car wash mogul.
He recently settled another suit with Doubledown Media, publisher of his fledgling investment-advice magazine, The Players Club. Doubledown accused Dykstra of being a "mercurial, difficult client," who didn't pay his debts on time.
Dykstra remains an avid spokesman for his glossy, pulling copies from his briefcase with Tiger Woods and Jets' quarterback Brett Favre on the covers.
"You get to be on the cover if you win," he said. "I'm all about the (wins), the results."
Sounding like his legal problems have not stymied his wheeler-dealer ways, Dykstra boasted of deals he has in the works, including an Internet game he's pitching to Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling.
Finally, he stopped talking and walked away - still chewing on the Twizzler.
tzambito@nydailynews.com
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:33 am | #
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http://www.collegefootballtalk.c...-kelly-is-gone/
John | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 8:21 am | #
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john (and mecheng)
as told yesterday. kelly is our new coach on monday. brady hoke taking his spot at cincy.
patriotirish | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 8:38 am | #
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91 yards total offense. four first downs, one by penalty. Our "offensive genius" is now just plain "offensive."
'Bye Charles
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 8:56 am | #
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Very sad times, ND football, remembered as it were, is now dead.
Weak schedule, weak team, it's all hat, no cattle. We need hope. Currently, there is none. Very sad times.
Gabby | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 9:21 am | #
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George Constanza; I read Lupica.
His answer to the CEO of a Publishing Co.
Lupica today in the NY Daily News;
Notre Dame is getting what it deserves right now with Charlie Weis if only for the shameful way the Golden Domers got rid of Tyrone Willingham a few years ago.
Not because Ty Willingham was ever going to be Knute Rockne or Ara Parseghian in South Bend.
No, it was because of the way the athletic department, with the full cooperation of the ruling clergy there, allowed Willingham to be shoved out of a speeding car the minute they thought they could do better.
And Weis was their idea of "better."
Maybe at Notre Dame they all skipped reading the part about what you sow is what you reap.
I love the way the Knicks, even when they're damaged, push the ball up the court and even pass the ball now, but is there some law they think has been passed about running out on three-point shooters?
And does everybody except David Lee think there's another law that's been passed about defending their own basket?
Mack Brown sounded like the best guy in college football the other night when he said that if he had to run up more than his team's 49-9 lead on Texas A&M then the "(BCS) system is more screwed up than I thought it was."
It is ultimately screwed up for this reason:
It is corrupt, and it is corrupt not because the NCAA has allowed this sport to be turned over to computer geeks, but because of this:
It has sold out the sport to the big bowls.
And the idea that this is somehow good for college football, that somehow all this controversy every year about who belongs in the Big Game somehow grows the sport, is dumber than O.J. Simpson.
Can't the Celtics and Lakers start the Finals now?
Lupica is a BC grad and 5'4" tall.
About the vertically sized range of Chairman Mao, & Uncle Joe Stalin.
Uncle Joe was so despicable even God turned his back on him, when his mother sent him to be a seminarian.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 9:21 am | #
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If Brian Kelly is our next coach, I might die of happiness. Sadly, we'll find a way to screw it up and hire someone like Gruden. Sigh....
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 9:33 am | #
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I'm not a ND fan - so I want to be up-front about that. But college football needs Notre Dame. We need it like Star Wars needs Darth Vader. So please, I hope ND makes a coaching change, and gets the program back on track.
My two cents - you also need to change the path your scheduling is taking on too. Every year you would look at the ND schedule and say if they can make it through that gauntlet, you can't deny they should be National Champions. Taking the path of least resistance to reach a BCS bowl for a bag of money is not how I grew up hating/respecting Notre Dame.
And please for us guys that have been your punching bag for many many years, but always played you clean and respected the long tradition between the two schools, please write/blog your AD to respect and honor that tradition, and keep Purdue on the schedule. (it is the best of both worlds - lets you keep your schedule watered down, yet you won't catch any flak for it).
Here is to hoping both programs find their way back.
Boiler | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 10:14 am | #
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Great post, Boiler. I always enjoy the unofficial football championship of Indiana, even if IU and now Ball State would like something to say about that.
Last night was a front-butt-kicking. Sad but true.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 10:36 am | #
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I went to St. Ignatius playoff game last night, in which St. Iggy won it's 10th state title, and Fox and McVey looked real good. I know Fox is lined up, and McVey is only a Jr. These 2 players are in the McCarthey mode for sure. The team played real good defense, are are extremely diciplined, and very well coached. The other team had fans that were extremely loud all game and not only did the players never got raddled, they seemed to play better with the adversity (no false starts, no fumbles, no penalties, etc). Reminded me of better days at ND.
brightside | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:03 am | #
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we are actually at the point where the ND job is VERY ATTRACTIVE. its been beat into the ground for 12 yrs. plenty of white knights will want to ride to the rescue. if you can coach, its a slam dunk.
fitzgerald? perhaps a better choice, would die for job i would think and young enough to put in a long run.
this is actually a great job now, its always good to follow a bad coach, let alone 3.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:12 am | #
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As a USC fan, I was pretty embarassed by ND's performance last night.
It was obvious to me that ND players were never taught the basics of college football - how to run and pass block; angles of pursuit; how to read defenses; fight off defenders, etc. This is very basic stuff that I remember high school coaches attempting to teach. And to think, USC left at least 14 points on the field last night, it could have been a lot uglier.
As far as ND's situation, its a no-brainer that Charlie Weis has to go. I'm sure he is a decent, god-fearing man, and I don't wish illwill or job loss on anyone, but there was nothing in ND's performance that gives me hope that ND would demonstrably improve under Weis. The requirement for keeping his job should be fielding a competitive team and not just "improvement."
Some people may still defend Weis and claim his team's inexperience as reason to keep him. Just keep in mind that SC's OL were 4 new starters this year. Only our LG (Jeff Byers) had any really playing time before this season; the other four were backups. The OL allowed some pressure on Mark Sanchez, but generally held their own. Also, we had backups in for much of the second half on O and D (including the OL and DL). And some may point to the 34 consecutive losses to ND in the 80s/90s and say everything is cyclical. That's nonsense, since SC fielded very good teams and made the games competitive in most of those years.
I'm not being glib, but the SC mindset is to no longer punish ND just for being our archrivals, but to do so because ND is fielding a joke team and disrespecting a once great rivalry. Last night's game should never have been played, and I was so disgusted by ND's performance that I'd prefer to end the rivalry if Weis were to remain in South Bend.
Fight On!
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:19 am | #
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stay classy, SB.
DanK | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:33 am | #
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WASC: Amen.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:33 am | #
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Subway Floridian,
That is a pretty disgusting comment. It doesn't matter if Mario Danelo is a Trojan, Irish, Sooner, Gator, etc., he and his family deserve respect - in life and in death. And frankly, your comment speaks volumes about your character, and not mine.
I've posted maybe 5 comments on this blog over the past 2 weeks, and have tried to be very truthful and respectful to everyone. My comments were not intended to be antagonistic, but honest criticism of ND football. My apologies to you and everyone else that did not interpret them as such.
Fight On!
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:42 am | #
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WeAreSc
Thats pretty much how we all felt about USC through most of the 80s and 90s. Its cyclical.
That being said, you are right. But as soon as we lynch Weis that might be changed.
In another 3 years...
DayBreakBoys | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:42 am | #
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incredibly arrogant comment from sc fan about ending series. USc could easily be in a different place if carroll leaves or one of their many NCAA infractions get found out. you are just a quick hit away from a program level ACL surgery.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:50 am | #
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WASC is right; when we beat 'SC my freshman year, everyone thought our perfect season would end to the #2 Trojans, particularly because Lou benched Watters and Tony Brooks for being out too late. The 27-10 win in that game is in my Top 5 of wins since I became an ND fan (another delicious win over 'SC was in 95 or perhaps it was 97 when #9 'SC rolled into South Bend with all-word receiver Keyshawn Johnson and we beat them like 37-14.
The game at ND in 89 with Marinovich as their QB was a great game. If I recall, we won that one 28-24.
USC always was competitive in that stretch and NEVER, EVER embarrassed itself the way we have 6 of the last 7 years. To have a So-called "Offensive Genius" put up 4 first downs and 91 total yards should be grounds for immediate termination.
Jesus, how pathetic is this; I'm talking about games that year 15 and 20 years ago! Here's hoping the Irish will start creating some new memories soon.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:53 am | #
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Belocki,
I've never suggested actually wanting to end the series. I'm just stating that I don't believe ND can compete on any level with Weis as HC and I did not see anything in yesterday's game to believe a Weis-led ND team can ever beat USC. The USC-ND game is college football to me. He's your coach, so its up to you to keep or fire him. I'm just giving you a USC perspective.
Fight On!
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:03 pm | #
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WeAreSC you are correct.
It was an expensive scrimmage that many would/count not watch because we knew it would typical Weis football.
This has to end. Weis is beating the program into the ground...beaten men take beaten paths...
Hit the Indiana Toll Road Weis.
In the Name of Sonny Sixkiller | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:13 pm | #
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Did I read the SBT correctly? Did we really lose to the USC band as well? JM&J, if football team can't come up with a schematic advantage against their band we really should have forfeited the game.
Fire the gasbag now, don't wait.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:34 pm | #
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Can anyone tell me why the ND games in the rivalry are played in mid-October, while the SC games are late November?
It's something I've always wondered about and never knew. Thanks.
NDdallas | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:36 pm | #
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NDdallas,
USC won't travel/play in cold weather, so the agreement between the 2 schools is that games in South Bend have to be played before the end of October, and games in LA are toward the end of the season (just before the ucla game).
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:44 pm | #
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Let me preface this comment by agreeing reiterating what has been said above: last night was a disgrace and it's clear that CW completely and utterly failed in preparing the team for game.
Here's what baffles me: this is the same coach who engineered offensive game plans that looked amazing through all of 2005. I remember being a junior in '05 for the Pitt opener and being elated by watching ND run a consistent offensive attack. CW implemented and the players executed an offensive scheme that allowed ND to compete with the best in the country. Fast forward to last night, and it's offensive ineptitude the likes of which I haven't ever seen (and I grew up in Iowa cheering for the Cyclones...)
While tossing around insults like gasbag and front-butt may vent some current frustration, it doesn't get at the root of the problem (unless that 2005 team's success was IN SPITE of Weis's coaching, which is highly doubtful given 2004). This is the SAME coach. What changed?
I've heard many possibilities.
(1) ND's opponents "figured out" his offense. I have trouble believing this since teams and coaches who faced it year after year in the NFL didn't seem to stumble upon this revelation, nor does it explain ND's recently horrid execution.
(2) CW can't develop college talent (05's fundamentals were instilled by TW). But for every Sam Young, you have a David Bruton or Kyle McCarthy. I don't think this blanket statement explains it either (though CW clearly has work to do in this area).
(3) '05 had better players. The obvious response is, "Not according to Scout and Rivals!", but some are now saying ND's recruits have inflated rankings since they're recruited by ND. This theory doesn't explain why: (i) TW's rankings weren't also as inflated, and (ii) why similarly rated classes at traditional powerhouses haven't consistently been "busts".
Here's my two cents: when I've watched ND's offense play the last two years, I don't get the sense of team unity that existed with BQ at the helm. I think every team needs an on-field leader to rally around, and part of me wonders if ND's offense is simply lacking any such leader. I seem to remember BQ being named a captain as a soph in '04 (correct me if I'm wrong); the guy had unmistakable leadership qualities. I think JC (or whoever is QB next year) needs to be a person who the rest of the team fights for, rallies around, and believes in.
Watching Sam Bradford rallying the OU troops last night on the sideline and seeing them respond made me jealous. Young guys can do this. Hell, Brian Smith was doing it for our D last night and he's injured! JC, or someone, needs to step up and lead the team on the field, or it won't matter who the HC is.
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:46 pm | #
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So it looks like a week of a waiting game. I think Charlie will probably stay. I do not know what the program should do (they have been in a state of flux since Lou left), although I'm sure some of you are saying Get Kelly! At least he can beat Syracuse!
Weis is getting a ton of blame (deservedly), and the team does not have any fight left. But there were some comments that also brought up a valid point-Carroll has a lot more to work with. USC backs often get something when they should have been stopped for a minimal gain-and the Irish don't have a back that can do that. Their defensive front 7 closes on the ball better than ND's although the ND offensive line can make any defense look great. ND Needs athletes in the trenches more than anything.
I wonder if ND can realistically compete for championships, they haven't since I was in 6th grade. Can any coach succeed in South Bend anymore?
www.southbendblarney.com | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:47 pm | #
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ND Dallas
Some years ago, ND, in an attempt to mollify USC, agreed to play our home games the third week in October and then end the regular season in LA in alternate years.
When I was at ND back in the early 60's, the game was always late in the year, but USC bitched about the weather and forced the change. Next thing you know they'll insist on cutting the grass in ND stadium the morning of the game.
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:49 pm | #
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Chicago sportscasters are speculating that Fitzgerald of Northwestern will be the next ND coach. Well, it worked with Parseghian.
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 12:53 pm | #
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Were I Fitzgerald I would stay at NU, his Alma Mater.
They could be part of a big 3 in the big 10{OSU and PSU} the others.
NU being a great school academically shows that Fitzgerald can live with that "excuse".
I think he would be a great candidate ...hope springs eternal!
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:07 pm | #
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But there were some comments that also brought up a valid point-Carroll has a lot more to work with. USC backs often get something when they should have been stopped for a minimal gain-and the Irish don't have a back that can do that. Their defensive front 7 closes on the ball better than ND's although the ND offensive line can make any defense look great. ND Needs athletes in the trenches more than anything.
It's not a coincidence that Carroll "has a lot more to work with." He coaches his players and teams up in a way that Weis has clearly established that he cannot.
If the recruiting rankings are to be believed, Weis is bringing in good players, he just doesn't know how to cultivate them. When he won in '05 and '06, someone else had taught the team the fundamentals; Weis just had to implement his scheme (I'm oversimplifying, I know). Now that he has his own guys in, the team is undeniably regressing.
Ricky Runnin' Waters | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:08 pm | #
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I think they should bring Lou back as a one or two year interim head coach. We do not want to rush into hiring another inexperienced coach but we don't want to suffer anymore of Weis either. So, bring Lou in to whip the talented players into shape and meanwhile take the time to find the right guy.
Riddler | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:17 pm | #
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The arguments that 05 and 06 were successes are ridiculous. That's wonderful revisionist work at its best. CW's best career win is over a 7-5 Michigan squad in 05. If you remember that game, sophomore Henne throw an interception in the endzone when it was second and goal, and one of their backup running backs fumbled on the goal line (Hart was injured). ND won 17-10. It should have been a 24-17 or at least a 20-17 win for Michigan.
So two bad Michigan teams have given ND wins over CW's tenure. The other two meetings between the two? Utter blowouts. In 06, Michigan beat Notre Dame worse than USC, and, in 07, they both beat ND 38-0.
Even in CW's two "successful" years, ND was completely destroyed by any opponent with a pulse, save the USC game in 05.
My point is that even his successful years have been failures if we actually take a closer look. The reason ND has such a terrible bowl record is because ND draws a nice crowd and a good story, so they get invited to bowls in which they are overmatched. So don't credit CW with two BCS games. Credit the fans and the institution for having the draw to get two BCS games.
Weis has done nothing except recruit really well. And, to be honest, the inability to utilize or develop talent does more than neutralize his recruiting edge. I would much rather have someone incapable of recruiting who can make the most of what he's got. As I see it, CW offers nothing.
dangdangdang | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:39 pm | #
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WeAre$C; Hey we all have our alums & sub-alums, that don't always think beofre they speak.
Florida Irish= Snoop Dog.
Hang out, let us know how $C is doing in recruitng. Right now they have an amazing crop of 5*****stars lined up, a half-doz. or so, and the rest are all 4****stars on the cusp of 5 stars.
Geez, & it's not in Westwood!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:53 pm | #
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Anyone harboring thoughts that Weis will ever get it at the college level is delusional. One of the D-ends from SC said that their defense knew exactly what ND was going to do on every play. Look, it's gone beyond bad, it's now criminal the way Weis handles this team. How anyone can come to his defense is simply mind boggling. So what if he can recruit. If he squanders talent what difference does it make? ND deserves better. Swarbrick please give us Christmas early this year. Give the fraud the the hook on Monday morning.
Oh, and the SC guy is absolutely correct in his analysis.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:58 pm | #
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@dang-
If you want to label '05 a failure, fine. But I'd sure take 9-3 (with one loss in the last seconds against the #1 team in the country and another in OT) this year. And if I remember correctly, I didn't hear too many ND fans complaining at the time.
According to Saragin, in '05 we went 9-3 against the 14th toughest schedule and in '06 went 10-3 against the 18th toughest schedule. I guess teams "without a pulse" figure pretty highly into Saragin's SOS ratings...
Don't get me wrong - I want to see ND win a national title as much as the next fan - but to call these seasons "failures" is going too far. I think if anyone is guilty of revisionist history, it's those writing off past success to make a case for firing CW now.
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 1:59 pm | #
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I could care less about 2005 and 2006. If anything those years are an indictment on the current Weis and his ability to coach.
Tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 2:01 pm | #
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(*note: this is "not* to say that a good case can't be made for firing CW now - just that construing '05 and '06 as "failures" isn't a convincing way to do it.)
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 2:02 pm | #
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Maybe rather than "failure," I should say "not success." Aside from USC in 05, ND hasn't been able to hang with any top-tier teams since CW's arrival. I understand that expectations have changed a great deal over the last two season, and 9-3 seems like a dream season now, but ND shouldn't be dreaming about being second-tier. That's as high as they've been in a long time, and I get sick of people saying, "Well, Weis got two BCS games, so we know he's not completely incompetent." Weis didn't do anything to earn those games. We can't even credit him for only putting one or two top-tier teams on the schedule.
All he did was let a senior-laden team of slightly above-average talent who had been taught their fundamentals by someone else not screw things up when they played unranked opponents.
dangdangdang | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 2:10 pm | #
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But remember, the previous 2 years, they had done just that: "screw things up when the played unranked opponents". This is why TW was canned! Do you think those problems just happened to magically go away at the same time CW showed up? That BQ & co. just had a timer that went off between soph and jr seasons which suddenly allowed them to play with some modicum of consistency? I think CW had more than a passive role in this change.
There was a significant turn-around between '04 and '05, and that is undeniable. At the time, the majority of people thought it had something to do with CW's arrival (and I still do). What baffles me why the things that we suffered from in '03 & '04 (losing to inferior teams, inconsistency, and embarrassing losses to rivals) which were have now reared their ugly heads again. As far as I know, the "Weis of '05" was not abducted or kidnapped and replaced by a look-alike. Perhaps he's burnt out, I don't know...
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 2:33 pm | #
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I've noticed something.
In the past few weeks we've had supporters of rival schools: USC, Michigan and Michigan State, come here and offer us encouragement.
Now I'm not questioning their sincerity at all. I believe they mean what they say. But I can't help but feel that this is the final insult for our once proud football institution.
Once a powerhouse, loved or hated the country over, we've been religated into the laughing stock of college football. Honestly, people are laughing at us. So much so, that fans from our rival schools are coming here to cheer us up.
Jesus Holy Christ, how did this happen?
I agree with all of you. Charlie Weis doesn't know how to coach. It's that simple. I was of the opinion that Charlie should have one final year to make good. Not anymore. Fire the bum. Fire him now. Set up an interim coach, if need be. But GET RID OF WEIS NOW!!!! Honestly, I don't know what another year will accomplish. We have good players and we should have another coach teach them how to win. If we keep Charlie we will have wasted so much talent.
Last night was simply pathetic. I didn't expect to win. But our offense is a joke. Me and my friends were predicting how much we'd lose by yesterday. That's how far we've fallen. No one, including myself, thought we'd win. It was only by how much.
I don't ever recall having such thoughts in the past. Even in years past when we weren't that great, I would still predict upsets. I predicted heart. I predicted a tough battle. If you beat us, you had to earn. We weren't giving you anything.
I miss those days. I miss them badly.
BTW, I predicted we'd lose 55-3. I got the pathetic offense part right. It's only that our defense played decently in the first quarter, enough to hold off total destruction.
jp | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 2:46 pm | #
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Do you think those problems just happened to magically go away at the same time CW showed up? That BQ & co. just had a timer that went off between soph and jr seasons which suddenly allowed them to play with some modicum of consistency?
yes, it's called having experienced upperclassmen.
DanK | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 2:47 pm | #
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Is it over yet? Has USC stopped scoring? Did USC win? I'm still hiding!
Danirish | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 2:58 pm | #
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DanK -
So we should be fine next year?
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:00 pm | #
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no, but you'll be better. JC == BQ if you look at career progression.
DanK | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:02 pm | #
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I have to agree with DanK. There were suddenly adults on the field who had been there before and who had learned from past experience. You can't underestimate experience and maturity in college sports.
I know everyone wants to give CW at least a little credit, but let's remember that he was the fourth choice, at best, during the coaching search. Urban Meyer publicly humiliated the school by using ND as leverage for a better Florida contract. Kirk Ferentz publicly rejected ND's courtship by stating that he wouldn't leave Iowa--IOWA--for an inferior program. And Bob Stoops, at least being somewhat classy, just said, "No, thanks."
So, when panic starting to ensure, ND, in a pretty clever maneuver, went with someone who had never done it before because he was a alumnus and because he could throw three Super Bowl rings on a 17-year-old kid's coffee table. Mostly, people got excited because they didn't want to acknowledge that ND was no longer an appealing destination for coaches. They had to believe CW was top-notch because they had to believe that ND would only hire a top-notch guy.
Of course, pretty much everyone has turned the corner by now, and we all see what a terrible hire this guy was, and we all are ready to axe him. But, even in the FIRE-HIM-NOW speeches, shreds of denial still slip into the arguments. People still want to believe he WAS great because, otherwise, ND wouldn't have hired him. The reality is that ND hired him because they no longer had a choice. No one else wanted the job.
And it is important to recognize the relevance of this whole situation presently as history is about to repeat itself. It would be beneficial to look at what made Notre Dame appealing to coaches in the past and what makes it unappealing to coaches in the present. Determine what separates those two categories, and try to fix them. I worry that one of the major issues is a lack of job security. Does firing CW fix that? Probably not, but at least firing CW is more justifiable than firing TW.
dangdangdang | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:11 pm | #
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Maybe statistically, but I can't shake the feeling that BQ's team respected him as a leader more than this team does JC.
Maybe my opinion is colored by that image of JC showing up in the stretch Hummer at the CFHoF etc, but I don't have the impression from ND undergrads that he's a very likable guy. I hope I'm wrong and that the team rallies around him next year, regardless of who's coaching.
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:14 pm | #
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I just don't know....I really just don't know what to do. I hate having to explain ND's losses to all of my A Hole friends. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I think I'm done with ND Football for a while. Wake me when this nightmare is over.
VicPaul | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:14 pm | #
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^^^ Future Rumplestilskin... see ya in 20, brother.
DanK | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:21 pm | #
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I think JC has lost all confidence. No way he will be a BQ. And he was supposedly the top player in the country. Look what Tebow, Bradford, etc. did in Soph year.
And the leader comment above is absolutely right. BQ was a leader; JC is not. He's too self-centered. He's another one that has had noone around him to keep him centered and a little humble. Swagger is all well and good, but it has to be backed up and tempered with realism.
I feel sorry for him; it must be a great burden right now.
ND67Aquajock | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:25 pm | #
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Call me crazy, but I do think CW deserves some credit for the first couple of years and that it can't all be chalked up to a team suddenly blossoming into maturity over the course of a summer.
The opinion at the time was that CW had something to do with it. http://vault.sportsillustrated.c...15693/
index.htm
I still think he did. That said, I think he also has something to do with the state we're in now, and that he should have to answer for it.
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:26 pm | #
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You're crazy.
dangdangdang | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:33 pm | #
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look, he gets some credit, but not all the sloppy credit that all the ND fanboys gave him 2-3 years ago. 2 years ago, every ND fanboy thought a sudden 9-10 win year from a RS JR 4* QB with 25 games of starting experience was all due to wies. never mind that the biggest jump college QBs make are from year 2 to year 3. or that that whole team was srs and jrs and fairly talented (thanks to TW).
DanK | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 3:39 pm | #
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"It's not a coincidence that Carroll "has a lot more to work with." He coaches his players and teams up in a way that Weis has clearly established that he cannot.
If the recruiting rankings are to be believed, Weis is bringing in good players, he just doesn't know how to cultivate them. When he won in '05 and '06, someone else had taught the team the fundamentals;"
It's debatable as to whether the recruiting rankings should be believed.
Pete Carroll does not coach his running backs to make the moves that they make. His players are very good. What ND players could start at SC? Maybe Tate or Floyd? The difference is the game last night was much greater than "technique" and fundamentals". Oh, Brady Quinn didn't even learn how to stand under center until Weis got there.
I think someone said it earlier, but if the coaching is all that's wrong, why are some players improving and not others? Tate was a high school running back-and could fight for All-America honors at receiver next year.
Weis may have to go, but I do not have supreme confidence that anyone can "fix" the Irish anymore.
www.southbendblarney.com | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:02 pm | #
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JP - I agree with you. People feel bad for us now, and that's not the way it's supposed to be.
Someone commented above in the early 90s his friends would call and make fun of him when ND lost ... that's the way it should be.
Last night I saw USC fans high-fiving ND fans after we got our first first down .... at the end of the 3rd quarter. Not only is that pathetic, but it's insulting that we're being cheered for a FIRST DOWN.
This is the level we're at now. But I'm with you - early in the year I thought he deserved one more year to get things together .... now, I want to see him gone (**IF** we have a quality replacement in the wings, ready to sign on the dotted line ... no more of this "2nd choice" BS)
Unreal | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:03 pm | #
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USC should play BC until ND relearns fundamentals and discipline. For USC, the game was a reprieve from one of their legendary practices.
Get rid of the Teletubby before the broken record starts again in 2009.
satchmo | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:15 pm | #
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I would love to sit in on a practice for ND and for an elite college program to compare how practice is run. Pro practices are nothing like college practices, and you have to wonder if Weis is trying to run pro practices at ND. After all, that's all he's ever seen.
Most college coaches, as they rise in the ranks, attend clinics put on by other coaches to see how things are done at different places. This allows coaches to bring together a conglomeration of ideas and methods they like as they develop their own styles.
When Weis brought in more experienced coordinators this year, I thought it would resolve a lot of issues caused by Weis' inexperience in the college system. I may have underestimated Weis' arrogance. I could never see frontbutt attending another coach's clinic, and I also can't see him taking too much advice from anyone else in the lockerroom.
dangdangdang | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:16 pm | #
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Touchdown Jesus:Faith and Fandom at Notre Dame by Scott Eden will have to to revised to include the current crux. Great book to read while waiting/hoping for a new coach. I learned more about the ND admin, football program and history than by going to school next to the two lakes.
Kelly Green | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:42 pm | #
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I think the question is no longer "if" but rather "when" gasbag will get fired.
The next big issue is who will replace him?
It HAS to be someone with college head coaching experience. I would hope that ND learned that lesson via Faust and CW.
It WON'T be Urban Meyer. He wouldn't leave Florida, and why shoud he? He has the world by the balls down there?
Fitzgerald? Maybe, but I don't see him leaving Northwestern, his alma mater.
The guy from Boise State? No, he likes where he is, and he has no pressure, being outside a BCS conference.
The guy from Cincy? Maybe. Going from there and getting out of the Big Least might be an improvement for him.
Any other ideas?
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:48 pm | #
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dang x 3, the funny thing is that Craig James and Jesse Palmer (ABC/ESPN) did just that before the season, and James stated publicly that he thought 9-3 was a reasonable expectation for the season. He was impressed with ND's practice. The SBT ran an article with his quote just this morning.
Kelly, thanks for the suggested reading. My favorite so far is "Talking Irish" -- I can't recall the author. I'd be interested in other folks' suggestions.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:48 pm | #
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Screw What the Press Says!
They're pi$$ed off for one reason!
Notre Dame never groveled at their feet on the Ty Willingham press lynching.
Ef them!
The same reason they loathe Barry Bonds.
Diferent scenarios and morality in play. but the exact reason by the MSM.
EF EM BOYZ & GOILZ.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:57 pm | #
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Aquajock, you might take some solace in the numbers for Colt McCoy at Texas. His rating went from 162 to 139 from first to second year, and now it is back up to 179 with a staggering 77.6% completion rate. You're right that Bradford did better his sophomore year versus his first; I would not look at Tebow because he had a sweet deal being a change of pace from Chris Leak.
I'm confident that Clausen will be much better next season, but I'm not at all confident that he'll develop the "it" factor to inspire his teammates. It concerns me that Weis' phone book sized playbook puts the bar too high to get a backup ready; I agree with those folks saying Sharpley or even Montana should have seen the field for several series last night.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:58 pm | #
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i wish people were not so ignorant on these boards. i also wish people were not so shortsighted.
although i know two wrongs do not make a right, i have to call out dangdangdang. you are wrong about many things, including weis' arrogance, experienced coordinators and the like. mostly, though, you do not have your facts correct, the others can be construed as opinions so i will let those go. weis has visited other colleges for so called coaching clinics. i can think of two of the top of my head, which were widely publicized. first, weis visited wvu while richrod was still there, in order to implement facets of the spread offense, to be used for demetrius jones. second, this past summer weis visited frank beamer at va tech, to discuss special teams. and we can all agree that specials have improved a lot.
patrick | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 4:59 pm | #
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I missed that one, Louie. Definitely interesting to know.
dangdangdang | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:00 pm | #
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The quotes from James and Palmer ran in the print SBT -- I don't know if they were online. Also, I don't recall seeing them in the preseason. I probably would have noticed, since I am not a big fan of Craig James.
I have to agree with patrick that Weis has made a significant effort to learn from other coaches. In the case of Beamer / VaTech, it might have translated to the field. In the case of the spread offense, it might have led to a waste of precious practice time and to (rightful) disillusionment on the part of DJ.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:06 pm | #
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Just remember, it gets even darker just before the lights go out.
LM | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:07 pm | #
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Dang x 3: I think it's much simpler than that; Weis just SUCKS as a coach. He went back home to the Pats after last season to "relearn" some things, he visited Frank Beamer and VaTech to get better at special teams (which we clearly were this year) and has been pretty open to some of the mistakes he's made (ie. not teaching/practicing tackling through the Michigan debacle last year). I think his primary problems now are his simpleton scheme and his inability to motivate/prepare kids to play.
Did anyone watch Alabama play yesterday? THAT team played with nastiness and determination, and "Auburn-I-know-you're-my-biggest-rival-and-I-want-
to-kick-your-f*cking-a$$-mentality" ALL GAME LONG. And what happened? They beat Auburn 36-0, the first time in 6 years, and the biggest margin of victory since 1962. Now, I think Saban is a f*cking liar and a complete tool; BUT, the guy is a phenomenal college coach. This is an Alabama team that was what, 6-6 last year? Now, they're one game for playing for the BCS title. COACHING F*CKING MATTERS! ND needs such a coach. I don't know who it is, but it clearly isn't Davie, Golfingham, or Front Butt (by the way; don't we have a nickname for Davie?). PLEASE GOD, let the next coach for ND be THAT GUY.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:09 pm | #
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I see, patrick. So Weis is just incapable of learning? I mean, there's no doubt in my mind that he's not a very intelligent guy. You can hear it every time he speaks as he tries so hard to say the right things but still can't do it. The guy simply isn't firing on all cylinders. But his futility in learning comes down to one of two things: Either he's too arrogant to learn or he's too stupid to learn.
If you want to argue that it's stupidity, I'm totally willing to accept your claim. For the record, though, I won't concede that's he not an arrogant bastard; he would just be a really stupid arrogant bastard.
dangdangdang | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:10 pm | #
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Saban is actually a really good example of someone just being a great coach. The guy is an absolute piece of shit personally, but he produces everywhere he goes. It would be nice if he had more of a personality, but I don't think anyone in Alabama is going to complain.
dangdangdang | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:13 pm | #
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irish rat: so usc (a much much more talented team) cannot play with the same mindset alabama had, against nd?
im happy that educated, rational, logical people get to decide whether weis stays or goes.
i think he will stay.
paul | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:14 pm | #
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Jim Masterson:
Superb quote about the press. ESPN REEKS!! And their pundits don't have the courage to tell it like it is so they just lie about ND being racist.
Guys:
Pick all the names you want for a replacement coach but until confirmation is received that he wants to be at ND and the cost of getting him is determined, CW is not going anywhere.
Duke coach Cutliffe has stated (privately to a friend who is an ACC football referee) that Northwestern is the weakest team he faced all year. Sorry Big Ten Fans and rethink Fitzgerald.
lush | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:15 pm | #
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Saban has produced everywhere he coached in COLLEGE. He is a scumbag and should be allowed to set his feet on ND's campus only if Bama is the visiting team!!
mecheng | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:16 pm | #
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Irish Rat:
Knock off the crap of calling people stupid just because they challenge your statements, some of which to them may appear stupid.
Esquire | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:20 pm | #
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SC has already scheduled a series with BC. I guess PC plans to kick all the Catholics asses at one time.
cv | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:33 pm | #
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Hey, I am not trying to make assumptions one way or another about CW's fate, but I'm just curious: is there a reason I'm not seeing Jim Grobe's name come up much when people talk potential replacements? He's done pretty well building a solid program at Wake Forest out of what was once a joke. And he's done it with middling talent, and so-so facilities, at a pretty academically demanding school.
nyirishlaw | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:41 pm | #
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Gee, Esquire; if you're a lawyer maybe you're just smarter than I am.
My main point to Paul was that he didn't make a point.
But, I will stick by what I said; anyone who actually thinks we should keep Weis at this point (assuming we can find a good candidate) is blind, stupid or both. Weis is a failure.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 5:42 pm | #
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irish rat: actually i made a handful of points. first, you implied that if nd was inspired to play the way alabama did, they would have not been embarrassed the way they were. but, i disagree, because i think that nd was inspired, but i think that usc was inspired also, and much more talented.
you can also infer a few more points from this and my previous posts: 1. you are an idiot. 2. you are wrong. 3. weis will be the hc next year.
if there was a qualified candidate available, i would probably be supportive of moving in a different direction. but there is not. i think that we are still a young team that does not execute when called upon. there was never any point in this year, where anyone thought that we would beat usc. i do acknowledge, that we did not think the offense would look so anemic. however, i maintain that we are a couple of execute plays from being 9-3.
paul | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:00 pm | #
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As far back as I can remember, ND always beat SC with disciplined technique and intelligent play. SC was always fast and athletic, but ND neutralized this by being more intelligent and getting their guys in the right place ahead of and during the play. SC football has become more intelligent under Carroll, so I'm not surprised that SC was able to do what they wanted yesterday and dictate the game (despite Sarkisian's efforts to screw up the offense).
Still, I didn't see the traditional disciplined ND football yesterday. The few things that stood out were ND's LBs unable to scrape the LOS and fight off blocks, as well as LBs blowing up the center/guards when the ball is already outside the tackles. This is the result of misreading the play and undisciplined play (read: poor coaching). The secondary seemed to be playing another game. The cushions on SC's WRs/TEs were generous. Mark Sanchez is a very good QB, and other than the INT by McCarthy in the endzone, Mark could get the ball to anyone he wanted with ease all night. His stats would have been better if Sark didn't have brain cramps (screen on 2nd and long to Joe McKnight on the shortside of the field? corner pass to the end zone on 2nd and long when CJ and Stafon are running well?). ND's offense was done in by poor OL play. ND's OL are some of the slowest I've seen. Horrible footwork. SC's safeties and LBs shouldn't be pushing ND's OL backward. I thought Ohio State was slow, but ND looked like they were stationary.
Basically, ND was playing uncharacteristically bad football (relative to past 50 years) that I never thought I would see from them. Last year, I was willing to buy the experience argument, but 20+ games later, and it doesn't appear your guys have been taught football basics.
We can all try to figure out what went wrong in '07/'08 vs. '05/'06, but you really only have to look at the lack of fundamentals with which ND plays to know that next year won't be any better.
Fight On!
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:03 pm | #
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Regarding talent on the field, it seemed to me that Anello succeeded in kick coverage just as well against USC as he had against all other opponents. The coaches for USC had to be trying to block him and, on the play where he was injured, he still made a great tackle.
I have concerns with Weis' schemes and his staff's ability to coach fundamentals, but I really don't know what to say about toughness. Brian Smith shows toughness, perhaps because ND didn't fall all over itself to recruit him?
There's no doubt that it comes from the coaches. I believe it is possible to be tough, confident, fearless, and aggressive at the same time as being competent, smart, and humble. In some ways, I think that 2005 showed how a competent team that was smart and humble could get better by adding confidence and aggression. As time has gone by, it seems like the competence has waned.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:04 pm | #
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Yes, I like the Terkel approach of "Talking Irish: The Oral History of ND Football" by Steve Delsohn. It especially captures the fire and passion of the Holtz's years without a lot of filters. The Faust section is worth reading for some laughs and how Gerry (I like how jim masterson calls him Jerry.) tried to implement a high school system in South Bend.
We need to create some new history, not just games that are blow-outs, beat-downs and cave-ins. Weis football can make an hopeful and somewhat optimistic person a caustic and cynic. In the end, it's not worth the time, frustration or the emotional investment with the ongoing diminishing returns. If Weis is the coach in 2009, it might be best not to follow the team like those blocked out Bob Davie years. It's funny that Disney is now paying his paycheck.
The only pleasant surprise of the Weis-era has been the MSU game of 2006. Faust did better in this department with wins against Pitt and Penn State. Plus we were supposed to win the 2006 MSU game. Weis does not even know how to be the underdog.
Kelly Green | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:10 pm | #
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Rumor has it, there was a fight on the flight back from the BC game and Weis was unofficially fired after the Syracuse game. Mike Haywood has already cleaned his office a game or two ago and ND is talking to Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly as the next replacement. Supposedly the hold up is Meyer wanting to wait until the SEC championship.
Clutch | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:19 pm | #
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WeareSC
With you astute insight from the other side you need to write to our President and Athletic Director.
I'm serious as it will help bring back some "classic games" not just warm-ups in prep. to detroy UCLA.
I write this as a ND grad with a wife who has a masters from USC. I admire how Pete Carroll goes all out for the ND game , while our guy is kind of just letting it happen until the game is out of hand.
Gold Wave | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:19 pm | #
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Clutch--Hope the rumors unfold to be true.
Gold Wave | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:22 pm | #
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i think its time to bring back the white socks while we're at it...
ac | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:28 pm | #
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It amazes me that you guys have such confidence in a behind-the-scenes transition of power, after all that has transpired the last two times ND changed head coach. Whatever happens, I hope that Mr. Swarbrick can keep the egg off of ND's face. It has to be tough for Coach Weis to recruit for a week, with a pending meeting to decide his fate.
I also hope that the team can hold together better than the last transition. Someone up-thread made a great point about the program being appealing to "white knights" at this point. As long as the players stay Irish and there isn't a long line of contract-leveraging coaches saying "no, thanks" even when the position isn't offered to them, I agree. That was probably the case for George O'Leary in 2001/02 -- he could inherit the tradition without the pressure of following Lou Holtz.
For my money, Coach Weis will be back next season. I'm okay with that for a few reasons, but perhaps especially just to thumb out Irish noses at the tails that want to wag the dog.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:34 pm | #
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out = "our" in the last sentence...
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 6:35 pm | #
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Okay, last post for today.
WeAreSC, you comments have been interesting and, in my opinion, very much on target. Thank you for the decency you've shown, too. I would disagree somewhat on your assessment of the Irish defense. I thought they did a great job of focusing on the run. You are right that Sanchez capitalized on that emphasis by making good passes, but I also think that ND's defenders showed good judgment on many plays. One that comes to mind was a tipped pass, after which an Irish LB tackled the intended receiver. I was thrilled to see that real-time knowledge of the rules, as there were at least two times earlier this season where the receiver was untouched and still made the catch.
I'm sure that Sarkisian's calls had an impact, but I think that the ND offense's ineptitude (and obviously the Trojans' defensive play) had a still greater impact. Really, to force a punt and great field position, only to be back on the field the next play? It has to be excruciating.
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This has been the worst decade in the history of ND football. If Rick Steves' brother-in-law is as pro-football, pro-excellence as claimed to be--it's time for some travels down to Gatorland.
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Louie,
I agree with you re: ND's defense. Definitely much improved from last season, but other good defenses have held SC to fewer scores. I thought ND could have done the same last night, and saw a few things that I thought were more indicative of poor coaching rather than the team's ability/desire. ND's offense was definitely more alarming.
When SC is being played tight, Sark will go into a shell, play not to lose, and rely on Carroll/Holt/Norton's defense to win the game. I thought the same may repeat itself last night, but Sark seemed to get it right in the second quarter, and started hitting the gas. You guys will roll your eyes at this, but many Trojan fans want Sark gone next year, and the sick ones want ND to hire him.
Fight On!
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You want a successful Head Coach of College football to replace Weis? What is wrong with a proven winner and disciplinarian like CHUCK MARTIN at Grand Valley State? And before you scoff at the very idea, let me gently remind you that we went 3-9 last year and 6-6 this year and are currently the laughingstock of college football after our umpteenth primetime national TV embarassment last night to USC. So don't be too haughty to even consider the notion. Yeah, it's Division II football. But it is COLLEGE ball, not the NFL; he's the HEAD COACH, not just a coordinator; and he has a PROVEN record over five years of MOTIVATING college players by discipline and FUNDAMENTALS to play for all they're worth. And he wins National Championships at his level. Moreover, he has a completely no-nonsense, old school, [truly] smashmouth attitude. And, finally, he's young and coming from GVSU, so he would see it as a major step up and give it all he's got, not scorn it as some of these other big names might. And his players might respect him more than Weis, if for no other reason that he could probably personally kick half their asses, unlike our present Michelin Man. I just think that with a motivated coach who emphasizes discipline and fundamentals, all these 4 and 5 star recruits Weis has brought can actually start playing up to their true level, instead of being left to languish under a guy who obviously is not a motivator or a fundamentals guy.
As for Saban and Meyer being assholes, give me an asshole every time. Wait, that came out all wrong. But, seriously, I want to go undefuckingfeated and WIN a fucking National Championship, not win the boy scout medal. Are you kidding me?
Dump Doughboy and bring in Martin NOW. Cut and paste this and see a real coach, with a real winning percentage (.926): http://gvsulakers.cstv.com/
sport...in_chuck00.html
Go Irish!
Karamazov | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:07 pm | #
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Paul, I got you down as one of the Weis apologists. Check. Maybe that comes easy for you; are you one of those attorneys that blames everyone in the world for your clients' troubles except the client himself? Probably.
I suggest you read WASC's comments and try and learn a little bit about football and competition. I agree with Anthony and Louie that WASC is very astute in his knowledge of football. Paul, take a memo ...
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:15 pm | #
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Sorry, Paul; I got you and that other Weis apologist, Esquire confused. That's both of you down in the "it's not Weis' fault" column and he should be back next year. Check, check.
Irish Rat | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:17 pm | #
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Why Chuck Martin when you can go for the Original Gangsta of GVSU, Brian Kelly. He's already proven he can win at three different schools.
Addition to my "Rumor" post: Supposedly the DeBartolo Family is assisting in the recruitment of Meyer. That little piece isn't something that you normally would hear with a rumor, even though he has South Bend ties.
Clutch | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:20 pm | #
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That would be amazing, Clutch. I'd be all for it.
What's left on campus to name after DeBartolo if it actually happens?
NDdallas | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:30 pm | #
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I wish there was a blog when we went 11 straight against the Trojans... little tired of the SC analysis of the Irish..no offense but isn't it time for WaSC to head to the UCLA blog... Sorry the Trojans are on the outside of the BCS.. So sad.
Defense played well until they wore out as usual..the lack of offense is absolutely appalling. ND schemes/formations are totally predictable and all teams after UNC have figured us out. Pretty easy to defend a team when you know the play. Nothing to do with athletes/recruiting/rivals etc.. it's 100% coaching or lack thereof.
Just waiting to here when CW gets the axe -- agree with the Brian Kelly choice... ...
jmc | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:32 pm | #
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I have no problem at all with Brian Kelly, as far as it goes. But I thought I read on one of these posts that even he was looking down his nose at the ND position and [at the time] was angling for the Tennessee job. To me, whoever it is has got to WANT this job badly. No more pandering. Notre Dame Football. If you're heart's not 110% in it, get your fat ass out. Kinda like Corwin Brown literally jumping up and down and screaming at people on the sidelines. That guy can stay because that guy OBVIOUSLY wants to win. Check him out sometime on the sidelines, he's extremely emotional. He is PUMPED UP, my friend. And we need more of that attitude at ND, not this ethereal "schematic advantage" bullshit. I wanna see coaches like Corwin Brown, literally jumping up and down, screaming at people on the sidelines, in anger when they screw up and in congratulations when they stick it to the opponent. That's somebody who wants to WIN. So, Kelly, Martin, whoever. Maybe morph Charlie's title into "recruiter at large" to avoid the buyout, but get somebody with some damn balls for pete's sake.
Karamazov | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:38 pm | #
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Cool!--I was thinking the other night about the DeBartolo Family (after watching "Fastimes at Ridgemont High" again and its now vintage scenes of the Sherman Oaks Mall.) The mall might save our program. Stranger things have happened. I will drink the Gatorade to that!
I was thinking they could sell more DVD copies of "The Express" to Syracuse fans and ND-haters by placing a bonus disc of the 2008 ND game in the case. You could not script something like that--especially with AD's son.
It can only get better from here.
anthony | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:38 pm | #
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Where the **** is Jim from Redondo Beach????????
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:43 pm | #
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JOHN TEDFORD
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IS COMING
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The Knowledge | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:46 pm | #
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Knowledge (the one and only?)
last week you said that Steve Sarkisian was coming. Tell us when Urban finishes up his Florida vacation.
anthony | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:51 pm | #
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Irish Rat:
No, I am not smarter than you-I was just trying to give some free counsel so you do not continue to make unnecessary personal attacks on others -- guess it did not work. By the way, before you fire Weis, tell us what your succession plan is unless you are advocating firing Weis w/o a succession plan, which, in your words, really is stupid.
esquire | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 7:57 pm | #
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I hope John Teford doesnt come, he doesnt even coach anywhere.
DB12 | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 8:35 pm | #
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Maybe Lou can motivate Urban to come back to the Bend. As we know, Lou can part waters to the college football promised lands, coach legends in Japan and rescue kids who fall off Niagra Falls guard rails.
DMBQ | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 8:52 pm | #
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Who the hell is John Tedford? Are you thinking of Jeff Tedford? Cause if so....no, I don't want him. Urban or Kelly. Personally, I think Kelly is a helluva coach.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 9:10 pm | #
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I very much despise Notre Dame football and everything it stands for, but I come in peace.
Frankly, I don't see how ND is going to get Meyer. First, if he wins on Saturday, no rational coach, anywhere, is going to leave on the cusp of the national title game. It's not logical. Why work for years and then leave one destination program for another? Second, like it or not, UF is now a destination program. Third, UF is in a recruiting hotbed and a decided advantage over the other Florida schools. Much of this is thanks to Meyer (building upon the work of the Zooker). Why would he give that up to compete for less talent with more capable actors?
Your only real chance is Kelly. Given Kelly's pre-disposition towards being a callous asshole who (a) doesn't give a shit about his players and (b) is fairly obviously lacking the sort of class traditionally associated with sportsmanship, you Domers may finally have to come to grips with the fact that you need to become just another football factory to win in today's NCAA.
THE HISPANIC BREEZE | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 9:24 pm | #
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Charlie Weis should probably eat less...and should probably coach less too...as in fire the front butt.
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 9:47 pm | #
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Let's face it, no one in their right mind wants this job. Look at our last hires: Davie? O'Leary? Willingham? Weis? No one since Holtz who had a great (or even solid?) head coaching resume -- or accurate resume at all -- at the college level. That is a sad statement, to go along with a pathetic W-L record. The game for the coaches has changed; no one "dreams" of the Notre Dame job anymore -- big money and fame can be had at any number of places, and these opportunities come up regularly (this year, it's UT, UW, possibly Auburn).
WeAreSC, thanks for your comments and most observations are spot on. I enjoyed the TV note that ND and USC are two of 5 teams never to play I-AA teams. That was about my highlight from yesterday's game.
shoetrees | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 9:52 pm | #
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THE HISPANIC BREEZE
There are plenty of reasons Meyer would want to coach at ND. The first is because he (and his wife) have both stated that coaching at ND is his #1 dream job for coaching. Maybe if you followed ND a bit more you would have known that he used to be an assistant at ND during Holtz's tenure.
The reason he didn't take the ND job when Willingham was booted is because of his kids. He knew that coaching at ND has a recruiting aspect that requires nation wide traveling. Time away from his young kids he didn't want. The Florida job was an easy pick because recruiting in Florida is pretty much a "stay at home" job. He could go recruiting and be home in time for dinner with his kids. Now that they're a little older, he's giving ND a second look.
Plus, Zook had already loaded up Florida with tallent. Meyer knew he could come in and win right away.
Clutch | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 10:11 pm | #
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Meyer is going to come to ND - just like Gruden was going to come after we fired Boob...
I don't want to sound as though I am talking down to anyone, but come on guys. We have a solid historical trend demonstrating that top-notch coaches do not want the ND job.
While Urban may have considered it his dream job, those comments were made years ago. I think he may be evaluating the dream-like qualities of coaching in Rock's house (and all of the challenges that come with it) versus the comfortable situation he has now.
Meyer is not coming. Nor is any other coach from the SEC.
CW managed to at least get some talent on the roster, so that makes the job slightly more appealing than it was 4 years ago. But I think we are deluding ourselves to think that coaches like Stoops and Meyer are ready to walk away from their positions to take a job rebuilding a program that has been perennially disfuctional for well over a decade.
And enough with the "i know a guy who knows a guy who said Coach XXXX is packing his bags and heading to ND". Pure speculation.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 10:39 pm | #
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Is the guy who coached the Interhall football champions still available?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 10:45 pm | #
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Coaches like winning, but coaches also like challenges. Sure, some will remain in a great situation the rest of their careers (Paterno and friends), but then some are like basketball's Larry Brown or the NFL's Bill Parcells.
Pete Carroll might just have some of that bug in him, as might Urban Meyer and a host of other big-name coaches.
A coach who hasn't proved himself yet on the college level might think twice about ND because of the spotlight of the job. If you haven't succeeded beforehand, and you fail on the biggest stage, it'll be a long while before you get another high-profile coaching gig.
But if you have a proven past, experience, championships, etc on the college level, that might be enough credibility to shut up some of the hyperbolic, unrealistic fans and alums and buy some time to establish a program.
If you win a championship at ND, then you've won on one of the biggest stages; if you don't win the title, but manage NOT to pull a General Sherman on South Bend, then you will still have open doors.
NDdallas | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 10:51 pm | #
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Dallas,
obviously some people like challenges. If Meyer has that sort of bug up his ass, that is wonderful.
My point is simply that we souldn't be expecting it. Frankly, all of the talk about coaches that are licking their chops to get the ND job drives me nuts. I don't want to sound too dire, but it might be symptomatic of much of what is wrong with ND football. No one gives a shit what we did in the 20th century. We need to fight our way back to prominence. And thinking that we have our pick of coaches is simply delusional.
If Meyer were to take the job, I would be confident that we would no longer put such a shit product on the field. But I don't think it will happen, and the continued speculation that it will happen rings hollow to me.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:04 pm | #
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a coaching search brings shivers up my spine. coaches of all shapes and statures crawling out of the woodwork to announce that they are not interested in the notre dame coaching position, regardless of whether they were contacted or not. free press for them all.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:30 pm | #
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Can we pay CW his buyout in burgers and pork chops?
JD | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:44 pm | #
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JD exactly how would that be a win? I mean the gasbag can probably eat more than enough burgers and pork chops to top out the contract value.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:51 pm | #
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Clutch: "Rumor?" What the hell does that mean. Some freshman idiot in the student hall talking about things he doesn't know about? Give us a little more substance, background than "rumor."
Hispanic: Another one, where do you get your info on Brian Kelly? Never heard that about him, did you just see an interview and come to the conclusions yourself?
Karamazov: Your getting info from other no-name's posts, and than expounding on it like it's fact?
Come on boys, you're better than that! Let's have some talk with a little meat, and maybe some truth. You guys remind me of lazy journalists.
S man | Email | Homepage | 11.30.08 - 11:54 pm | #
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S man; You're expecting cogency from posters who are dumber then a fence post?
Please.
They show their youth, naivete, or really just stupidity.
ND's not chasing ANYONE under contract, unless said coach has the 'proverbial' Notre Dame clause.
Does anyone think Notre Dame is bereft of genuine love by millions to seek out peronalities/coaches who's cv's wouldn't pass muster to be the above-mentioned Inter-Hall Coach.
Oh & Lou? Lou was a geniune embarrassment to me.
There had to be reason for ND to grease his skids.
No not Lou, it had to be ND's fault!!
University of Navy & Ruptures. That's Lou to me.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:30 am | #
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Below is an example of a successful Notre Dame Football Team.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/...286/0/
NOTREDAME
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:42 am | #
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http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com...ncaa-fb-rumors/
Being a big ND fan, here's MY rumor, and I've been reading alot about this, since I live in the Cinci area. I hope it's true. because it would be great!
CommonSense | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:43 am | #
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Example A of being pitied!
& it's the friggen NY Slimes, Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/3...=rssnyt&
emc=rss
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:48 am | #
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Thanks Jim for posting the NY Times article. Reading the comments from some of the players ...kind of tears me up. You can tell they are just mentally defeated. I really like the kids on this team ...they all seem like stand up gentlemen and I am at a loss as to how to solve ND's issues. I just hope they don't start transfering...I feel bad for all of 'em.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:08 am | #
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Tim Prister;
& Tim Prister
IrishIllustrated.com
Senior Editor
LOS ANGELES — Reporters hoping to get the lowdown from Notre Dame athletics director Jack Swarbrick following Notre Dame's 38-3 loss to USC were surprised to hear that a meeting with Charlie Weis wasn't pressing business.
Swarbrick made it sound as if they would chat whenever their paths crossed.
With Swarbrick tending to business in California and Weis hitting the recruiting trail, as many as nine days could pass before they hook up for a discussion.
"Our normal course is to meet every Monday we're in town," Swarbrick said. "I'm on my way to California and he's on his way recruiting. So neither of us is in town this Monday. I assume it will be a week from Monday before we're both back in town."
Matt Cashore
It may be up to nine days before Weis meets Swarbrick.
Asked if the total of Weis' buyout — which IrishIllustrated.com learned is at least $10 million — would factor into the decision to keep or replace him, Swarbrick said, "You're assuming that that's what is going on. We are engaged in the process of reviewing a program and we're asking ourselves, 'How do we make it better?' There may be a host of answers to that."
Asked if money would ever get in the way of something he wanted to accomplish as athletics director, Swarbrick joked: "Yes, if my wife wants to buy something, money gets in the way."
Turning serious, Swarbrick added: "As a university, we make our decisions based on what's in the best interest of the students. We do that in sports, we do that in academics, and we do that in residence life. What's in the best interest of the students, or in this case, student-athletes."
Swarbrick said several variables come into play when evaluating all coaches at Notre Dame.
"We look at a host of factors, from graduation rates to GPA to student input ... it's the only way to do it," Swarbrick said. "We review all programs the same way. That's what we do.
"There's no guarantee for the women's soccer coach who is on his way to the Final Four next weekend. We sit down and evaluate every program the same way at the end of the season."
Pushed again to respond to when he would meet with Weis, Swarbrick said, "The next Monday that we're both in town. I'm gone all week, too. Nothing will happen until we complete the entire review process. We do that within regular course. It doesn't assume something will happen.
"There are some times we miss (meeting) when we're both out of town. We're not in town this Monday. I think we'll both be in town next Monday and we'll meet then."
One of the foremost authorities on Notre Dame football, Tim Prister, 48, has been covering the Fighting Irish since 1982. Prister served as editor of Blue & Gold Illustrated for 20 years and senior writer for three years before joining the IrishIllustrated.com staff as senior editor in 2006. Prister is the author of two books on Notre Dame football: What It Means To Be Fighting Irish (Triumph Books, 2004) and The Gold Standard (ESPN Books, 2006), chronicling the first year of the Charlie Weis era at Notre Dame.
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jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:35 am | #
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The upcoming College Cup will be the most exciting ND sports since the Michigan game that Lou coached for us way back in September. We came close in the Frozen Four this year. Hope we can take a NC away from NC (or Stanford, or UCLA) once again.
anthony | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:46 am | #
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Hey Pat; Remember this guy. Classy gentleman from ND's '06 class.
. Matt Ryan wins Offensive Rookie of the Year, but I'll tell you who should get some consideration: Denver tackle Ryan Clady. According to STATS, Inc., he's one of only three tackles who hasn't allowed a complete sack this season. The other two are Tennessee's Michael Roos and Denver right tackle Ryan Harris.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 6:05 am | #
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Pat; Maybe CW wins it all if this guy stayed.
The quintessential classic NY Giant.
3. With all the talk about Albert Haynesworth, Kris Jenkins, James Harrison and Joey Porter, one guy lost in Defensive-Player-of-the-Year speculation is the Giants' Justin Tuck. When the Giants needed a fourth-down stop Sunday it was Tuck who hauled down Clinton Portis from behind. It was also Tuck who had a team-high two sacks. The guy is a complete player who can defend the run and the pass and who is -- pardon the expression, Plaxico -- a loaded weapon.
Two other quiet, well spoken and gentlemanly Giants: John Carney & Renondo Wynn.
Wynn had a sack and JC was 4-4 on FG's.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 6:11 am | #
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I've heard through the offices of the former ND provost and current president of ND that Brian Kelly of Cincy is the top candidate and Weis is canned.
Kyle | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 7:25 am | #
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With all the talk about the cost of a CW buyout, and how expensive it might be, most people overlook the fact that the University could save a lot of money by not having to buy those "extra fat" sweatshirts and pants if we get a regular size coach.
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 7:30 am | #
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gwzimm:
"a regular size coach"
man, that struck me as one of the funniest things I've read in a while.
thanks
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Kelly has a few skeletons in his closet that caused Michigan to avoid him during their coaching search. Something about racially insenstivie comments about a couple of his players at CMU charged with murder. But if it was enough to scare UM off, I suspect it would terrify ND.
Finally, I don't know that the next ND coach really needs to be that decorated. ND could probably pull in a top 15 recruiting class with Bugs Bunny at HC (unless you're TW). What ND really needs is a guy that will instill discipline and teach great fundamentals. O'Leary -- from the infamous O'Leary incident -- is probaby not far off from what we need. Don't get me wrong, I'd love Meyer. But I don't think this is rocket science.
But we can't gamble on inexperience anymore -- the next guy needs to have a record of some success at the NCAA level.
WCLaw | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:45 am | #
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WCLaw is right. We need someone like O'Leary. And "to forgive is diving." So he lied on his resume. It's hardly a capital offense. No big deal.
Let's let bygones be bygones. Hire him. He will never be a champion at Florida Incidental.
I wouldn't hold anything Kelly said before against him, either. People need to judge someone by their ability, not some offhand comment they may or may not have made.
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 9:14 am | #
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"Divine" in first line
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 9:15 am | #
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Uh, I do not advocate hiring O'Leary. I simply meant that the next coach doesn't have to be Meyer or bust.
WCLaw | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 9:41 am | #
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Does anyone think it possible that somewhere along the line CW had a nervous breakdown?
His playcalling in 05 was incredible--SC playcalling was appalling.
John | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 9:45 am | #
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Phil Fulmer? He's available, won a NC in 1998 and has a lifetime winning percentage of nearly 75%. He is also a good man, great recruiter and is respected by many here at UT and across the country.
Just throwing out his name that's all.
Knoxville Irish | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:00 am | #
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You guys can safely ignore "The Knowledge" predicting Tedford as ND's next coach. The real "THE KNOWLEDGE" uses all caps, has peciularly specific prognostications (so and so will be hired on Dec. 12), and always involves Steve Sarkisian in his predicitons. False The Knowledge--I denounce you!
I am also confused why an SC fan is 'embarassed' by how ND plays but it wouldn't be the first time those left coasters confused me. As a Michigan fan I find OSU's travails to be endlessly amusing. Probably, I'm just a bad person.
During the Michigan search a whisper campaign was in full force accusing Brian Kelly of being some kind of hideous human being. I'm sure you'll hear all about the various felonies his players have allegedly committed. Should be interesting to watch.
imafreak | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:12 am | #
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From:
http://www.fannation.com/truth_a...aa/?
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As a Stanford Law School-educated jurist, Jack Swarbrick must be finely attuned to fine print, so Notre Dame's athletic director already may be aware of the following: According to his contract with the University of Florida, Urban Meyer may discuss jobs with other entities only during a period starting with the "final day of the regular football season" and ending seven days after a bowl game. It's a window that presumably opens after Saturday's Southeastern Conference championship game and stays that way for 40 days (a week past the BCS title game on Jan. 8) should Florida beat Alabama to win the SEC title. Swarbrick's season-evaluation meeting with Irish coach Charlie Weis apparently is set for next Monday. Gentlemen, start your rumor mills. Of course, Meyer's window and Swarbrick's appointment with Weis are nothing but hollow coincidence at this point, especially given the heights to which Florida aspires compared to the depths at which the Irish currently wallow. That disparity, also on display Saturday in USC's 38-3 rout of the Irish, will frame how Swarbrick and Notre Dame proceed.
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:22 am | #
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It won't be Urban Meyer. Why on Earth would he leave a program like he has for the train-wreck that is Notre Dame?
I like Kelly, and yes, I still like O'Leary. I don't give a damn about rumors, innuendo, or past resume falsehoods. We are not looking for a Boy Scout. We need a GOOD FOOTBALL COACH!
Hell, I wish Jimmy Johnson were available.
No more nice guys!
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:52 am | #
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According to Shaq Evans, Weis is staying for sure. Check out IrishIllustrated.
$%#$@$@#@$@!#@
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:54 am | #
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Interesting read about Meyer...from a Naples, FL newspaper:
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2...swer-notre-dam/
Also, the source of my "Rumor" I mentioned earlier was from two different people on Irish Eyes chat room. So, even though it was in a chat room, the fact that two different people had similar statements and the mention of the DeBartelo family makes me wonder if there is some validity to the "rumor".
Clutch | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:57 am | #
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I was reading Bob Davie's record while coaching ND........I think I actually miss him. Wow, that's not good. Look what you've done to me Front Butt!!!!!!!!!!!
S man | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:59 am | #
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Hey THE KNOWLEDGE,
STFU
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 11:18 am | #
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Not very likely.
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 11:18 am | #
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Joe B.
i don't where this situation is going, but Shaq evans has no more insight about Charlie's tenure than you or I do.
oakvilleirish | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 11:20 am | #
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Joe. . . .
Let's be realistic. ND has absolutely STUNK this year, and it is inexcusable, given the fact that it was CW's fourth year at the helm. With a weaker schedule, we were completely inept, and amassed a record that was actually WORSE than those of Tyrone or Footbaw Bob.
It's not IF ND will make a change, but rather WHEN. I just think they don't want to make another gaffe like they did when they got CW. I would be stunned if they weren't quietly talking to people now.
I just hope they make the right choice. No more experiments, high school coaches, assistants, etc.
I would be appalled if they did not make a change.
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 11:29 am | #
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Yeah, hire the chimp.
Joe Montana | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 11:29 am | #
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Only if has head coaching experience
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 11:30 am | #
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Swarbrick strikes me as smooth, and his "I'll meet him whenever we happen to be in the same town on a Monday together" comment gives him breathing room to look around and lock something down - or determine he can't - before having to take a position on Weis. Look, if Weis was a lock for next year, Swarbrick would have said so if only to squelch the rumors.
As hard as it is to believe the rumor above that Weis was secretly canned after Syracuse, that's about the only thing that can explain the utter lack of any offensive plan we witnessed Saturday. That, or the nervous breakdown comment. I'm among those who can't square the Weis offense of 2005 with what we've seen the second half of this season. My pet theory - massive use of painkillers since the torn ACL/MCL. Weis just seems in a daze.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 11:44 am | #
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Mike81 –
I'm hopeful that your justifications for ND's USC performance are true. But I think the answer is simpler and bleaker.
WCLaw | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 11:51 am | #
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Enough with the rumors. It isn't helping.
Majnun | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:04 pm | #
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this may be in the "wter over the dam' dept, but i remember at least two occasions where tom coughlin was passed over for the ND job. history would have been a lot different had someone had the foresight to have given him the chance
brian custer | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:12 pm | #
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Has Tenuta been mentioned? I'm not an ND fan but I know he was always rumored for jobs (albeit not great one) but he's on staff, so is it a possibility?
KRK | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:30 pm | #
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Here's a talk from Brian Kelly -- sounds like the anti-Weis... good listen if you have the time...It's from a Catholic Men's conference in Cincy last March...
http://www.thecall.org/audio.htm
jmc | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:33 pm | #
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Hey Joe B,
I believe you go to Purdue so why are you talking about Notre Dame Football moron?
Brad K | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:53 pm | #
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i know nobody like davie here, but he said some interesting things today.
2 back pro set is history in college
1 back spread is where its at
been saying we should go to some type of modified spread for yrs. we dont need the crazy TT shoot out every game, but we need to modify.
ND's job is not to train pros, its to win in college.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:53 pm | #
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Hey Guys,
Yes, I go to Purdue, I was not smart enough to get into Notre Dame (or rich enough). Brad K does too, just as I sidenote - we're cousins. And although we go to Purdue, they suck, its all about the Irish.
Back to Weis, I agree that Shaq has no more knowledge of the situation than any of us. In fact, I think Weis is being unfair to Shaq to give him the impression that he'll be the head coach. Weis's job is far from safe, IMO.
ND has blown the second half of this year, but I wouldn't mind if the (hopefully) new HC considered keeping Corwin.
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:58 pm | #
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And Brad K wants to talk shit on this board to me even though he lives in my apartment, so I apologize in advance if he clutters the boards with his child-like behavior.
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 12:59 pm | #
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Spread is a fad and needs a whole different personnel than ND has..
How about Johnson's wishbone -- personally wish we just go back to pounding people ala Bettis, etc..
jmc | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:00 pm | #
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Also, Brad K is a Charlie Weis apologist. If anyone could please talk some sense into his head, I would greatly appreciate it b/c I'm tired of hearing his excuses for Charlie. I mean the guy is basically getting his panties up in a bunch for Charlie, please help him with his unfortunate dilemma.
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:03 pm | #
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Spread is a fad
Urban Meyer and the University of Florida Gators disagree.
Ricky Runnin' Waters | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:06 pm | #
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the TT spread might be a fad, but a good spread/one back offense with a very mobile QB is the future. hopefully the new coach and AD dont have your bias
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Joe B
1) Your a boilermaker, enough said
2) I am not opposed to firing Charlie but we better have a coach lined up now who wants the job. Not someone we hope will take the job.
3) We fire Charlie now and have a mediocre coach, we lose like this again for 5 more years.
4) Why don't you go to a Purdue website and talk about your beloved boilermakers. Ridiculous
Brad K | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:14 pm | #
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As I said, I'll bite my tongue b/c I really enjoy this board. These games are not in the spirit of the discussions taking place.
Worst-case scenario is Brian Kelly. IMO, step up from Charlie.
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:17 pm | #
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In case anyone is curious, these are the comments that made both Michigan and Michigan State (!) pass on Brian Kelly before he took the job at Cincinnati:
http://media.www.cm-life.com/med...e-
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You know that if ND hires him, this will get brought up over and over because everyone thinks ND is racist. Coupled with my complete disgust for Urban Meyer, I have no idea who I would want to coach this team. (Except not Charlie Weis, obviously.)
Jade | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:19 pm | #
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Not need to look elsewhere how about Jon tenuta
Jean | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:29 pm | #
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Tenuta has not proven himself as a Head Coach. ND is NOT the place to get on the job training as a head coach, as we learned from Davie and Weis.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:47 pm | #
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Also, in rergards to Brian Kelly's comments, I am gonna call bullshit on the whole thing. I don't think the guy was being racist at all. He said that he had some African-American players who were from a rung of society where they felt they shouldn't talk. That isn't racist, its just an observation. Kelly is from an Irish neighborhood in Boston, and guess what, you get the same thing there. I don't take those comments as him saying they kept quiet because they were black. Its just easy to spin things that way.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:51 pm | #
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Yep, enough of this political correctness bullshit. If he's a good coach, we should get him.
gwzimm | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 1:58 pm | #
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For the record, I don't think Kelly is racist either. I just hope he has learned his lesson not to say stupid stuff like that because, like it or not, people are going to take it the wrong way. And if it made even Michigan State a little leery of hiring him, that definitely gives me pause.
That all said, I would take him in a heartbeat over Urban Meyer. As long as he learns to keep his trap shut, of course.
Jade | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:04 pm | #
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Brad, my opinion of Bob Davie goes up with each passing shit season.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:04 pm | #
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Clutch; Was that two out of an thousand?
Geez two nit-wits with parallel thoughts.
Who would think it's possible. Brhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Chat Room. Brhahahahahahahahhahaha.
You crack me up Clutch!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:04 pm | #
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So, let's play hypo. Weis stays. ND goes 8-4 next season with losses to Michigan, MSU, BC, and USC. Now what?
WCLaw | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:09 pm | #
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Urban Meyer?
Urban Meyer?
I guess Bobby Knight is on your short list too.
What attracks people to root for the University of Notre Dame?
Millions of people who will never set foot on campus.
Some of these comments are offensive to intelligent and cognitive thought.
Geez, Notre Dame stands for winning and winning with-in the disciplines of it's moral philosophy.
Wake up and read some literature on the history of Notre Dame.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:10 pm | #
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Ok, so here's another general rumor passing around. I am up by South Bend, so normally when I hear rampant rumors, there tends be something to it. That said, read nothing into it.
I find this interesting because no one here has mentioned it.
SKIP F***ING HOLTZ!
The rumors around alumni up here in South Bend are that some pursuit may be made after Skip Holtz, with a push to have Lou Holtz brought in to coordinate recruiting. Wow, would that be awesome.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:10 pm | #
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Plenty of people have mentioned Skip, Brad. I'm not convinced he'd be worthy of ND, but at this point I'm willing to give anyone with HC experience a chance.
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Well I take that back; apparently no one mentioned it on this page. But I'm sure I've read it somewhere online... Anyways, I think Bryan Kelly or the BSU coach would be better than Skip (based on their previous experience), but it would be wonderful to have Lou reconnected to the program.
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Brad K
Fuck you.
Yes, it's true we live in the same apartment. But to accuse me of talking shit to you over the internet? Come on.
Remember last weekend when you were being a little bitch and ate my leftover pizza WHEN I SPECIFICALLY asked you not to? Remember when I found out, and I beat you within an inch of your life? And you called your dad and told on me?
Brad, you are a pussy. You try to make me look childish when you know goddamn well that your a whiny little baby.
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:46 pm | #
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Cool It Guys...
richrichie | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:49 pm | #
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Wow... really cool man. Actually it's pretty funny. Brad will think it was me. Good job.
jackass
To the admins... I think we should start making people register for names... for free of course but just a thought
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:53 pm | #
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Joe B
Ok, Tony Toughnuts. It's pretty funny how you have to make up lies to look cool on a message board.
First, yeah, I ate your pizza. And, I'm not sorry.
Second, you certainly did not beat me up. You slapped me like an 8 year old girl while I was playing the Sims on my computer. Oh, wow. You're a hardass. Ridiculous.
I'm at the library right now. When I get home, there will be hell to pay.
Brad K | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:55 pm | #
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Skip Holtz might not be good enough to coach at ND?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!
Is that because he beats ranked teams?
KRK | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 2:56 pm | #
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Skip?--didn't Lou demote him when he was OC at S.Carolina?
John | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 3:11 pm | #
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The great thing about rumors from "ND alums" is it could be anything. Like my roommate from sophomore year, a friend from lab, and a few hall friends talking about how they want Bill Cowher to come to ND.
All of a sudden, you have this headline: sources say several Notre Dame alumni interested in pursuing Bill Cowher.
NDdallas | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 3:22 pm | #
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Me and Brad are sitting here laughing at these posts. keep them coming
Joe B | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 3:26 pm | #
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NDdallas,
I completely agree. Thats why I pointed out that thats just what I've been hearing from Alums around South Bend in the past day or so. Rumors are nothing but rumors, and we all know that. But I think very often, rumors can take on a life of their own, when Alums do get a hold of them and start pushing.
Rumors mean absolutely nothing until you get confirmation from the school. However, we also heard lots of rumors during Willingham's last season that he had contacted Washington about their job opening. Everyone laughed that away, but we later found out it was true. Again, they don't mean anything, but you never know, eh?
Brad | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 3:30 pm | #
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I have never, ever left an Irish game early. Not if we were up by 40 or down 20. That all changed Saturday at the collesium. I was sick to my stomach, and the Jack had little to do with it.
At the beginning of the season I was expecting 7-5, hoping for more. At 6-6 we didn't fall that short - BUT - the way we lost (and won for that matter) speaks way louder than the final record.
The SC fans were cordial, nice even. But that is to be expected when you KNOW your team is top quality and KNOW the opponent, even if it is Notre Dame, is in WAY over their heads.
The Irish should NEVER be way over their heads. If we had started the year 0-8 and finished 4-8 I would be more satisfied because at least we were moving in the right direction. EVERY PHASE of the team has regressed. That can only come down to coaching.
Whoever coaches the Irish next year will have a very solid team of HS players. HE will need to break them down and build them back up into college players. I think CW has proven he is NOT a player developer. Quinn and Samardija were phenominal athletes with amazing work ethic. They had Senior leaders to show them the way. With this team having little to no Senior leadership that has to come from the head coach. CW is not that leader.
The question is now - where do we go? Urban is a snake. If we are going to sell our souls to win, then we go with him. He will win and win immediately. He could be the face of the university until he retires from coaching and be very successful (Bowden-esque). But I would rather have someone like Barry Alvarez (his style not him personally) who wins a lot of games but does it the right way with the right players and the right standards.
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I'm right with you Brad. That's why I posted them as "rumors" from the start. This whole upcoming week is mearly entertainment for all of the ND fans. Speculation at what the next big move will be. When I originally heard the rumor about Meyer, Kelly and the DeBartelos, it was from my buddy who is a die hard ND fan. Both of us grew up in the S. Bend area and have family still living in the immediate vicinity. He normally takes everything he hears with some scrutiny, and most of what I hear through him ends up being true. Yeah, he might have jumped the gun on this one, creating hope after two dismal seasons. I guess we'll see a week from today.
Clutch | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 4:04 pm | #
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On a lighter note.
Today's joke, boyz & goilz.
The Sensitive Man.
A woman meets a man in a bar.
They talk, they connect, they end up leaving together.
They get back to his place, and as he shows her around his apartment.
She notices that one wall of his bedroom is completely filled with soft, sweet, cuddly teddy bears.
There are three shelves in the bedroom, with hundreds and hundreds of cute, cuddly teddy bears carefully placed in rows, covering the entire wall!
It was obvious that he had taken quite some time to lovingly arrange them and she was immediately touched by the amount of thought he had put into organizing the display.
There were small bears all along the bottom shelf,
medium-sized bears covering the length of the middle shelf,
and huge, enormous bears running all the way along the top shelf.
She found it strange for an obviously masculine guy to have such a large collection of Teddy Bears, but she is quite impressed by his sensitive side.
She doesn't mention this to him though.
They share a bottle of wine and continue talking and, after awhile, she finds herself thinking,
'Oh my God! Maybe, this guy could be the one! Maybe he could be the future father of my children?'
She turns to him and kisses him lightly on the lips.
He responds warmly.
They continue to kiss, the passion builds, and he romantically lifts her in his arms and carries her into his bedroom, where they rip off each other's clothes and make hot, steamy love.
She is so overwhelmed that she responds with more passion, more creativity, more heat than she has ever known.
After an intense, explosive night of raw passion with this sensitive guy, they are lying there together in the afterglow.
The woman rolls over, gently strokes his chest and asks coyly, 'Well,how was it?'
The guy gently smiles at her, strokes her cheek,
looks deeply into her eyes, and says:
'Help yourself to any prize
from the middle shelf'
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 4:05 pm | #
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Skip Holtz???
After beating VT and WV, there was all this talk of BCS and Notre Dame. Now at 8 - 4 with a CUSA schedule, there is no BCS talk and there shouldn't be a whisper about ND either.
ECU is a totally different atmosphere. Live here; seen that. Haven't been to one of their games for 20 years. Total party school.
ND67Aquajock | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 4:10 pm | #
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Ok...plane crashes, leaving an oddly uniform mix of nationalities and sexes on a desert island.
There are...
- 2 Italian men and 1 Italian woman
- 2 French men and 1 French woman
- 2 German men and 1 German woman
- 2 Bulgarian men and 1 Bulgarian woman
- 2 Greek men and 1 Greek woman
- 2 British men and 1 British woman
- and 2 Irishmen and one Irish woman
After one month on the island, here is the situation we find...
- One Italian man has killed the other for the love of the Italian woman
- the 3 Frenchies are all comfortably having sex with eachother in a three-way
- the 2 German men have created a strict schedule to determine who has access to the German woman at what time
- the two Bulgarians take one look at the neverending ocean, and one look at the Bulgarian woman, and start swimming
- the 2 Greek men are having sex with eachother while the Greek woman cleans their hut and cooks
- the 2 British men are still waiting to be introduced to the British woman
- the 2 Irishmen immediately split their island along the North and South sides, and begin plotting against eachother. They also make their own whisky stills. They drink alot, and are a little hazy on the whole sexual situation with the woman due to the drinking, but their happy because British aren't getting any sex or whisky.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 4:16 pm | #
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The last 48 hours, I have been reminding myself of Ben Franklin's quote:
"Passion governs, and she never governs wisely."
Kris | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 4:34 pm | #
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Me thinks going from coaching pro to coaching college in football is almost akin to going from coaching badminton to coaching college football, and vice versa It is a completely different game, ask Bill Callaghan, Bill Walsh, Pete Carrol, oh, and Front Butt.
SC defensive player said the ND offense was predictable, that they knew what was coming. Michigan defensive player said the same thing in 2006, when they came into SB and gave us a shellaking (Definition: to strike repeatedly and severely; batter.
b. To defeat decisively). Think that covers it.
Finally, if you have time and are as obsessed as I am, take a look at Davie and Willingham's record, game by game. They both beat alot of quality, high ranked opponents. I think, since they followed such a high standard that Lou set, they were judged on that standard. Where as Front Butt, I think, has been given a break because he has been compared to those two. He is horrible, and the numbers show it (not to mentioned all the records he has set: most losses in back to back seasons EVER, that's over 100 years, bitches!!! and I know there are more out there.
S man | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 4:59 pm | #
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It is time for Charlie to go...the meanest and nastiest thing he has done in his tenure involves a porcelin bowl in the Joyce Center after a triple order of Kung Pao Chicken. It would be nice to someday be able to leave the bomb crater that is ND football so I can face my neighbor who went to SC. I have had way too many conversations with him that sound too much like WeareSC. I for one am glad that I was in a foreign country and could not witness what should be CheeseBurger Charlie's last game.
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 5:09 pm | #
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I love girls bushes
Craig | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 5:28 pm | #
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I kept losing the internet connection to Saturday's game. Then I'd get it again, then I'd lose it again. Every time I lost it, I'd get mad. Then, midway through the third quarter I began to realize that each time I lost the feed was a small mercy for which I should be thankful.
I told myself, no matter how badly SC beats ND, it won't be as bad as the Syracuse debacle, because a loss was expected. However, failing to get even a first down until late in the third quarter actually put it in the category of "as bad as Syracuse" for me.
The defense put up a struggle, but the offense was just epically overmatched.
And how awful it was to lose Anello. That was the extra shit in the shit sandwich with no bread.
The injury seems devastating. Will he ever play football again?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 5:28 pm | #
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Re: "...SC defensive player said the ND offense was predictable, that they knew what was coming. Michigan defensive player said the same thing in 2006"
Did anyone NOT know what was coming?
I hope Jack's decision making factors in the fans' waning interest and nausea - I turned it off early. Too painful, like watching baby seals get clubbed.
I suspect it's not even fun for ND haters anymore, it's just pathetic
One of the local NY newspapers ran a little table of all the #1 vs #2 matchups over the last 50-60 years. I had forgotten ND was involved in 3 in the late 80's/early 90's (Mich, USC and FL State) and won all 3.
Now we can't even get a first down till the end of the 3rd qtr? PATHETIC
Five Iron Frenzy | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 5:35 pm | #
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To add to the rumor mill I have heard the following...
Bill Cowher has been contacted by an ND representative to get a feel for his interest. Not by someone in the Athletic department but by a U Board member.
Jon Gruden has expressed interest.
Urban Meyer isn't as long a shot as we may think...
http://www.floridatoday.com/arti...343/1065/
SPORTS
I'd love Urbans fire and connections with the players, but he is still a snake.
Mike from Huntington Beach | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 6:33 pm | #
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Why is Urban a snake anymore than Lou Hotlz was, or any coach for that matter? What are you referencing here?
Mike from Torrance | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 6:59 pm | #
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if charlie is out telling recruits that he will be back, and kids are going public with that info, this is appears to be a game of high stakes chicken. weis wants to make it hard for them to blow up his class, while its rumored that board members are feeling out coaches. this kid wont be the first recruit who has the same story this week.
ND fires weis after a week of this and it will look really bad. my sense is CW will not go down without an ugly fight, and that could be a factor in a non decision
belocki | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 7:19 pm | #
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Mike from Torrance -
The AK-47 incident is the first thing that pops to mind for me...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com.../12/fla.wilson/
I know that there is more to the story than the headline suggests, but still, when any of your players drives around with an AK-47 in the trunk, let alone FIRES it to intimidate someone, something's not right. Can you imagine the press this would have gotten if it happened at ND? Hell, Yeatman got more press than this for blowing a .02 underage this fall
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 7:33 pm | #
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REAL.
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IMPOSTERS FAIL.
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YOUNG HOLTZ
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IS COMING
THE KNOWLEDGE | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 7:52 pm | #
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How quickly we forget Omar Hunter...
http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog...ozled-by-urban/
Mike from Huntington Beach | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 7:58 pm | #
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I don't think Meyer is realistic, but even if he was: what the hell would he do with Jimmy Clausen? Dayne Crist? Neither of them are spread run QB's like Alex Smith or Tebow.
Brian Kelly's shown this season he can win with anyone at QB, after the whole Ben Mauk 7th year of eligibility saga.
Note: I'm not saying Meyer isn't a good coach or wouldn't be able to work with our QB's, just saying they're not ideal for his system. Heck, he won an NC with Chris Leak as his starter, so he'd probably figure it out. And it would be interesting to see Tate running around like Percy Harvin, assuming Meyer brought in a coach for the O Line. Despite myself, I'm starting to warm to the idea...
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OOOH OOH! I just heard from my wife's cousin's girlfriend's hairdresser's fiancee, who has inside connections!!!!!!!!111!!!122!!@@!
exclamationpoints!!!!
ND will ANNOUNCE a new HEAD COACH next MONDAY!!!! It'll be....
JOE PATERNO!!!!!@@!@!@#@$Q#@%$#&T*!~!!
JoePa decided he needs a new challenge after 87 years of coaching at Penn State.
THE ZOMBIE WILL LEAD US!
(You know it's true, because I typed in all caps. It must be true!)
Nate | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:06 pm | #
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Well that was a peaceful week-end!
Welcome back Knute.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:14 pm | #
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Jim
That was funny. I think Charlie gets a bear from the top shelf or maybe no bear for coaching.
GB | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:15 pm | #
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Make that the bottom shelf.
GB | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:16 pm | #
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Mike
How quickly we forget Omar Hunter...
If (and that's a big if) Urban Renewal came to SB, he could get "vengeance" and steal recruits from UF.
GB | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:22 pm | #
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We are going to dick around for at least a week about the gasbag. Meanwhile UW has already talked to Brian Kelly and he and Pat Hill appear to be the front runners for that job.
By the time we figure out that we should throw the gasbag out and then devise a search committee and a search plan we are going to be left settling for an NFL offensive coordinator with no HC experience.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:23 pm | #
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With regards to Meyer...
I think Clausen would be just fine in a spread offense. Maybe better. He played in an offense in high school where all he did was sit in the shotgun. Obviously, the spread is different, but the confusion associated with the option would open up a lot of deep passing lanes.
Also, Crist would be just fine in a spread. People forget that Alex Smith really wasn't all that fast. Also, Crist, as I remember it, had a large amount of rushing yards in high school running out of a shotgun.
Kelly has pretty much proven that he can do damn near anything with anyone under center. Chris Stewart would probably put up 3000 passing and 1000 rushing in his offense.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:26 pm | #
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Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but wonder if Chuck's leg injury is partially contributing to the problems.
Pain has to be bad at times and limit his mobility (needed in coaching) ability to get fired up.
Or, maybe he's on pain killers, Sunday through Friday.
Just a thought....I keep returning to the site in the hopes we're talking about a new coach.
Wake me when we're there...
JC
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Clausen will 'be fine' in the spread? Clausen isn't fine in a shotgun offense tailored to his 'all american' toolset. What on earth makes you think he'll be fine in an offense that highlights first and foremost his legs, second his decision making and then finally his arm? (apart from wishful thinking that is)
Christ will be better in the spread but not by much.
Brian Kelly is a mistake. He hasn't proven anything on a big-boy level yet. What part of the last decade leads anyone to believe we should take another gamble? Let UW have him.
ColoradoIrish | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:42 pm | #
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I'm sure Christ would be just fine...
Crist might not be quite AS successful...
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 8:45 pm | #
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TOP 5 COACH'S WISH LIST:
1. John Madden
2. Dave Wandstedt
3. Lovie Smith
4. Beano Cook
5. Art Shell
S man | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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Dennis Dodd;
Mailbag: This Notre Dame thing is really snowballing
By Dennis Dodd
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Dennis sounds like a teacher pet, who would never throw a snow-ball or spit-ball, but, would rat ou the guy who did.!
dated Nov. 29
Notre Dame student Andrew Hebert sets the record, uh, straight on the Notre Dame snowball controversy:
Dear Dennis,
As a student at the game, I can honestly say I did not throw one of those snowballs. That being said the snowballs were not thrown at those players.
Yearly, Notre dame seniors take part in a marshmallow fight, and yearly they inevitably they try to throw those marshmallows onto the football field. Again, these snowballs were a result of those actions. Those footballs were not aimed at the players, I guarantee. They were aimed at the field, seeing the seniors were seated behind them.
Furthermore most of the snowballs weren't even thrown by seniors, rather underclassmen. And while their target, the cops who recently have not had a good relationship with students ... it is funny how the university puts it on our side of the field to block our view instead of the other fans, but yet we pay over $50,000 a year to go there, and the ridiculous cheerleading coach who tried to take pictures of students throwing snowballs.
The students are not dumb enough to throw snowballs at our classmates. We know they work hard, try their best, and people get way too uptight over a couple of snowballs, and you like the rest of the classless journalists in all fields of journalism twist every story you can to get a headline while berating an institution or public figure in the national limelight.
I'm not asking for an apology, but before you go writing a story, I'll take another line from Jesus Christ, before you go picking the splinters out of other people's eyes, pull the plank out of your own. Get the entire facts before condemning and stereotyping an entire student body, my guess is no more than a couple hundred snowballs were thrown so if all those were thrown by one person that means 1.25 of the student body threw snowballs and start practicing real journalism.
And a rebuttal, kind of, from Ray Petrino:
From the sound of your e-mail, Dennis, you're just repeating what was written by others. For that reason, I ask you to reconsider your sources. This whole snowball thing has been taken WAY out of context.
Unlike you, who were copying reports from ND haters, I have friends who were at the game and gave me the real inside scoop. When I went to Michigan for Michigan-ND games, I used to have beer bottles thrown at me. Cops had to GAS Buckeye fans in Columbus when they set couches on fire and vandalized the streets after wins.
Why were these stories never featured in the press? Sure, some drunken kids threw snowballs at players and they should lose their ticket privileges. That goes without saying. However, to label all of ND for the stupid actions of a few are taking advantage of the power of the pen and plain old ignorance.
Most kids were tossing snowballs at each other ... or at security. Why security, you ask? Because students' rights have been violated on campus over the last few weeks. If you want something to write about, talk about the unwarranted arrests and student housing busts where kids have been busted for suspicion of drinking.
More spin from Gregg:
Dennis, I was at the game. Twelve inches of snow at the feet of college kids. They're going to throw snowballs. In the third quarter a wild snowball fight broke out between two student sections. It was fun to watch from afar. At no time, no time, did I feel the students were maliciously throwing snowballs at their team.
Delusional Domers:
I love the phrase "no more than a couple of hundred" snowballs, as if that makes it OK. I also love how you two are trying to muck up the issue by bringing security, campus cops and NBC into the issue.
"It was fun to watch from afar"? Students weren't "maliciously" throwing snowballs?
The snowballs came out of the stands and hit players. You're there to watch football and possibly control yourselves. I don't give a damn about on-campus issues. I care about a great university being smeared in the nation press because of a bunch of drunken lunkheads.
Here's an idea: Don't throw snowballs. Is that too much to ask?
From: Mike
Dennis, you don't fire him (Charlie Weis) now because he is 6-6 and that is improved from 3-9? You fire him now because he is starting to lose control of this team and the program see taking back the play-calling duties and alienating his offensive coordinator. You fire him because he has put together the worst two years in the history of ND football.
Mad Mike:
You don't fire him now because the Notre Dame coaching job is becoming just like the front of Bloomingdale's -- revolving door.
From: L J Smothers
Dodd, wake up the echoes ... where is the fire of Holtz, Ara or Knute? Clausen is not I-A material or any of his brothers. Bring up the Texas Tech Raiders coach. Have the snowballers raise $20 million in snow cones. What was so wrong with Ty or Bob D.?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 9:09 pm | #
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Masterson, you must have quite a fucking life. New rule: no more than ten posts per day, okay? What do you have, about fifteen posts today alone? Bro, get a fucking life. What, do you sit around waiting for a new post so you can post a comment? And as for the middle shelf, the only middle shelf you ever get is your greased right hand, don't kid yourself. Did you sleep out all night at the movie theatre to see the early showing of each Star Wars sequel? Masterson, you're lame. You comment way too much. And you need to get a fucking life.
Smitty | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 9:19 pm | #
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hey now, we're all ND fans here. let's not lose sight of that.
tis the season, right?
Schultz | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:10 pm | #
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ColoradoIrish, doesn't winning the Big East and earning an automatic BCS bid with a team of 2 star recruits count as accomplishing something at the "big boy level?" I don't see how Kelly's resume is all that different than Urban Meyer's circa 2004. He's won impressively at every level he's been at. I really hope we can get him.
scott | Email | Homepage | 12.01.08 - 10:36 pm | #
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Can we have the best of both worlds.
Fire Weis ASAP. Let Corwin take the team to a bowl that we can possibly win.
Hire Brian Kelly before Washington does. Or go for the grand slam with Urban Meyer. Hopefully, the trash cans can be set up for the winter workouts.
New Bomb Turks are OSU fans | Email | Homepage | 12.02.08 - 12:41 am | #
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Scott-
Urban Meyer was undefeated and ranked in the top 5 at Utah, was he not?
Kelly donesn't have that Div-1A mark on his resume yet, so I wouldn't put him in the same league as Meyer.
Also, with the exception of Div-II GVSU, he hasn't been anywhere longer than 3 years. How do we know he can recruit with the big boys?
Clutch | Email | Homepage | 12.02.08 - 8:16 am | #
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New Bomb
It was just announced that Kelly is staying with Cinncinnati on ESPN.
Golden Parachutes | Email | Homepage | 12.02.08 - 5:40 pm | #
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Yeah...yeah. And MSN.com, WNDU.com and Irisheyes.com are all reporting the same story...That Charlie is coming back next year.
Merry F-ing Christmas Notre Dame. Thanks!!
Clutch | Email | Homepage | 12.03.08 - 6:32 am | #
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