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Let's go IRISH!
Airman | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:05 pm | #
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GO IRISH!
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:08 pm | #
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Is tonight the real That's All Folks?
Irish 23-21
ND dad 09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:14 pm | #
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Go Irish Don't let Lou Holtz have to wear that Pitt jersey.
ND dad 09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:16 pm | #
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ND dad, no, we have two more "That's All" nights with UConn and Stanford games...
Airman | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:16 pm | #
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that tackle just summed up our defense.
ma | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:20 pm | #
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nice tackle mccarthy...mr dependable my ass
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:20 pm | #
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You gotta be kidding me with that Stanford score....
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:20 pm | #
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Quiet night when all the fair-weather fans clear out...
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:20 pm | #
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fumbled snap and dropped pass our best players on D
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:21 pm | #
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theyve got to tighten that zone coverage when they're not blitzing...
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:21 pm | #
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Well, Armed Forces Network advertised the game, then without our knowledge they decided the fight was more inportant, so now we get nothing. They are getting a nice long complaint. I got out of bed at 0330 to watch and nothing, now I am wide awake in the middle east! Go Irish!
IraqDave | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:22 pm | #
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wide open
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:22 pm | #
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would that have gotten the first if neal didn't knock it down?
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:23 pm | #
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let's go offense!!
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:23 pm | #
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spoke way too soon.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:23 pm | #
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awesome.....notre dame football under CW....this is what it is
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:23 pm | #
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i hate musburger
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:23 pm | #
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i thought our secondary was supposed to be stacked this year
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:24 pm | #
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fleming got blocked into the punter! thats bs
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:24 pm | #
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thats bs - the pitt guy was the cause
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:24 pm | #
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well, they give everyone a 15 yard cushion.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:24 pm | #
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the pitt guy wasnt the cause...are you guys blind...what the hell are we doing rushing the punter????
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:25 pm | #
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IrishGush--you at the game? You posted that like 3 min before i saw it
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:26 pm | #
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our defense has spent this season relying on bad passes. can someone take a count for the year?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:26 pm | #
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trevor our special teams are not very special
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:26 pm | #
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24 - that's what everyone said in the off season. I couldn't understand how an extra year of experience sucking was supposed to make us better at not sucking.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:26 pm | #
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he didnt even touch him!!!!!!!!!!
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:26 pm | #
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another one.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:27 pm | #
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obediah--too true
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:27 pm | #
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trevor....get dvr...ND didnt even touch the punter
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:27 pm | #
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I'll add in a delay :-)
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:28 pm | #
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even if he didnt, what the hell are we doing rushing the punter?????? there's no reason to even get near them...what are we going to return it for a TD which we haven't done all year?????
horrible coaching decision to go after the block....what is this Vtech...we can only win with special teams?
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:29 pm | #
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Awesomes, overthrow and drop will be our defensive MVP for the 20th time in the past 5 years.
(Trust me, I'm much more tired of this lame joke than you are. Show me some coverage so I can bury it where it belongs)
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:29 pm | #
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sd is right- it appeared 45 was trying to run by the punter
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:29 pm | #
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alright, let's do it offense!!! i want jimmy to throw for 700 yards and still be behind colt mccoy and mark ingram on the heisman ballot.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:29 pm | #
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lets go boys. I am trying very hard to banish negative thoughts
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:30 pm | #
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Nate the SC/Stanford score is right and Stanford let off the gas in the 4th. They have now lit it up against Oregon and USC.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:31 pm | #
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it was nice to see USC get smashed today. We must have softened them up!
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:31 pm | #
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WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN HE DIDNT TOUCH HIM????? i just watched it again 2 times, he freakn ran into him....are you blind?
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:31 pm | #
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i want jimmy to throw for 700 yards and still be behind colt mccoy and mark ingram on the heisman ballot.
Aren't both of their teams undefeated?
Anon | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:31 pm | #
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wait, what was the penalty?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:31 pm | #
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Frigging handed them 3 points. Next time Pitt has the ball keep an eye on the position of ND LBs. They are waaaaaay out of position on every play. If one guy has to go, its definitely Tenuta. His stunts just arent cutting it
biiggs | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:32 pm | #
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they are, but i still don't think that jimmy is the reason we are not undefeated. i hate that that is what the trophy has turned into.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:32 pm | #
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Golden grab!
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:33 pm | #
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god, he is such a pure passer. we are going to miss him.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:33 pm | #
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the penalty was an obvious block in the back by us
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:34 pm | #
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shippley is a chump compared to golden
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:34 pm | #
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Looks like we may found out how much we've been missing Armando.
James ND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:34 pm | #
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Armando is Slashing tonight.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:34 pm | #
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golden and the o-line are playing real well
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:34 pm | #
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they showed a comparison earlier of Tebow's stats vs the bama QB - the bama QB is slightly better
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:34 pm | #
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trevor..he didnt...sorry...but he turns so he doesn't touch him...the pitt guy takes him out
plus i dont think you can say almost blocking a punt is bad coaching
if we are going to criticize weis...lets at least be rational
broken coverage, overlooking a team, poor clock management are more relevant to coaching
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:34 pm | #
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wait, what did i say about a pure passer?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:35 pm | #
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Clausen is the man...personally, without the bias, im not sure there's a better pro football QB in all college football
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:35 pm | #
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agreed, trevor
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sdirish....why try and block that punt??? just weigh it, what do you have to gain vs what do you lose?
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:36 pm | #
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we were going to get the ball at the 20.....if we block it we get it at the 45.......this offense really needs that 25?????? we have no problems in the open field, only in the red zone
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:37 pm | #
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It's great to see Allen back. That kid has some heart. Reminds me of Walker in how important a back can be even if they don't consistently zip through the secondary or drag defenders for 10 yards.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:37 pm | #
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Herbie
Herbie
Herbie
Herbie
What is the Herbie count at?
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:37 pm | #
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well since it was close, i am guessing they saw something.
why run a fake FG or punt like we have before??
and yes..i completely agree Clausen is ridiculous. I don't anyone could logically argue that he isnt the best qb, unless they havent watched him
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:38 pm | #
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we have really missed AA
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:38 pm | #
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kamara is a beast of a blocker
biiggs | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:38 pm | #
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obediah agreed...while i never doubted clausen in his first two years, ive always doubted allen, and this year i see a completely different and better player
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:38 pm | #
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sdirish, i don't assume the coaching staff recognizes anything anymore.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:39 pm | #
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HI friends!
ND is rocking and rolling!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:39 pm | #
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wanstache is going nuts
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:39 pm | #
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clausen's knee was close to being down thats why he was yelling
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:39 pm | #
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the mustache lost it on that play
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:40 pm | #
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Anybody: can you give me a link of address to a video (or audio) feed to this game?
jj | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:40 pm | #
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score? drive update?
IraqDave | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:40 pm | #
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http://www.justin.tv/ssl17
biiggs | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:40 pm | #
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http://www.justin.tv/sportschat141
Amy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:40 pm | #
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Sam Young beat like a drum on that play
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:40 pm | #
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pitt up 3 to nothing
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:41 pm | #
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jj you aren't from the class of 96 are you?
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:41 pm | #
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shit...i thought so to, his knee was down
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:41 pm | #
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refs gotta protect their undefeated team.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:42 pm | #
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It would be 1896 if I were!
jj | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:42 pm | #
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we are punting from midfield
iraq dave you still need updates?
tell me when you dont need em
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:42 pm | #
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these refs looooove PItt
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:43 pm | #
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just checking if I knew you from school
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:43 pm | #
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Pretty sure Pitt's not undefeated...
NDFollower | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:43 pm | #
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IragDave, can you get the video links Amy and biigs sent?
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:43 pm | #
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my bad nd follower. thats what drinking and not thinking when i type will do.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:44 pm | #
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And there is the first mention of Jimmy going pro this year.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:44 pm | #
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Holy cow, the stream site is working perfect! Never does, hope it lasts, thanks!
IraqDave | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:44 pm | #
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Jimmy will NOT go pro
why take a cut in prestige?
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:44 pm | #
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Hey! Amy! The wife posts!!!
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:44 pm | #
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why call a draw at midfield for field position? give floyd or tate a shot to make a play -- they're so good, it's a real chance. allen rarely gets 22 yards anyway. makes no sense to me.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:45 pm | #
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Wife making me go downtown Charlotte with in-laws
Is that as painful as watching ND?
danirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:45 pm | #
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I'll agree that Clausen was conclusively down, but is that really the type of call we need to review in the 1st quarter of a 3-0 game? I think that overshoots the peak of accuracy/efficiency and is on the downslope to sucking the life out of football.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:46 pm | #
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Well its good to see our tackling skills haven't regressed from last week.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:47 pm | #
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Really, Charlie? Really? A draw play on 3rd and super-long? Don't we only have like three run plays longer than twenty yards ALL SEASON?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:47 pm | #
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hey dad, clausen is the best pro prospect....(name one better...bradford was, but hes hurt, and mccoy is was overrated, it showed this year)
prestige means shit when weighed against millions, especially in this economy
i grew up in westlake village when clausen was there....his family is not rich, they could use the money.
if clause gets the sense he's got a chance of making good money, he's gone, especially if CW leaves
the guys wants money, he showed up in a limo to ND, on his first day
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:47 pm | #
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did I mention I hate Musberger
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:47 pm | #
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i wish i had dvr or tivo so that i can just fast forward through when our defense is on the field.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:47 pm | #
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Anyone see Stanford destroy USC today?
Scary.
kryptonite163 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:48 pm | #
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we should run on a third and long because that's the last thing their defense will expect! weis calls plays like i play madden.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:48 pm | #
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"It's not always the best sign when a safety is your leading tackler"
....you think?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:49 pm | #
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pitt's dropped a few passes now
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:49 pm | #
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settle down sergio, you are just doing your job
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:49 pm | #
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motovatin, exactly what i was thinking.
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Trevor, Clausen could make it to the Pantheon of ND, up there with Montana and Theismann, with just one more record setting year
The money will always be there
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:50 pm | #
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anybody else wonder if Jim Harbaugh would come to ND??
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:50 pm | #
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Sergio act like you've done it before. Ok defense has stepped up twice. Come on O!
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:50 pm | #
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the wildcat will run wild all night long
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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What is CW's record against Harbaugh?
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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dad, the ND prestige isn't what it used to be...you think Clausen knows about ND history?????
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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he used to be the coach of USD down here in SD and they were super good, it looks like Stanford is on track
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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Ok NO MORE wildcat.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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no comment on that "run".
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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Harbaugh is coming to ND in a few weeks, I think
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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one more time charlie. they really won't expect it this time.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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Hey, the wildcat didn't work last time...let's run it AGAIN!
What goes through Charlie's head?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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Charlie play cute again
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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Guys - he's a "robot genius" remember? Offensive mastermind.
James ND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:52 pm | #
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I'd be worried about our play in the red zone tonight, but I'm not convinced we'll make it there....
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:52 pm | #
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running the Wildcat now is setting up Pitt for later
I have seen this work before.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:52 pm | #
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Charlie is too stubborn to admit that one of his plays doesn't work. He will run it 20 times until he gets 15 yards on it and then smile and say "See."
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:52 pm | #
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We have the best QB/receiver combo in the game, lets use them please
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:52 pm | #
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anybody think Harbaugh would take the ND job?
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:53 pm | #
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Unreal, really unreal.....it's like running the option with Powlus in '95
mikes1160 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:53 pm | #
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harbaugh or kelly who does everyone like better
i'll take kelly
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:53 pm | #
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Word is that Harbaugh wants the pros.
But his game plan against SC was a thing of beauty.
He's a real coach.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:53 pm | #
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when he puts in the wildcat formation, the corners cheat in a little, soon they will bite and a long easy TD will be available. that will knock your socks off, heard it hear first
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:54 pm | #
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I think Weis just forgot the "until they can stop it" part of "run a play until they can stop it".
huh - for a quip, that sure would explain a lot over the past 5 years.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:54 pm | #
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i thought the bet of the year would be taking utah and 20 points. 35-7 TCU - i'm glad i don't know a bookie in my new hometown!
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:54 pm | #
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Lets leave the coaching debate until after the game huh?
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:54 pm | #
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Weis' Dad, what time did you start drinking this morning?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:55 pm | #
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Harbaugh's gameplan was to have a dominant offensive line. Not much genius there.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:55 pm | #
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I vote Kelly.
Although I suppose you could argue that Stanford is a school with similar academic standards to ND's, so Harbaugh would be able to deal with that part of the rigamarole better...
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:55 pm | #
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Motovatin- Ditto, Ed Zachery
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:55 pm | #
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I'll agree with Irish Canuck...
mikes1160 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:55 pm | #
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Charlie's logic: "We have one of the best quarterbacks in the country, so let's take him out of the play by using this fad Wildcat thing!"
bhatta | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:56 pm | #
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Irish Canadian....
are you freaking serious??????
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:56 pm | #
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GARBAGE punt. Midfield. Yay.
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:56 pm | #
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bhatta - That is what I think every time I see the Wildcat.....
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:57 pm | #
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Mike Anello sighting
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:57 pm | #
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Harbaugh's game plan was a creative mix of pass and run, constantly keeping SC off balance. They used the Wildcat for 1 play.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:58 pm | #
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a few comments
1. will we score this half. (don't forget, our offensive is the best part of the team)
2. Can we hire Jim Harbaugh, just at least to piss off Michigan every year?
3. Will this be the same as last year, lose your last few games?
4. Maybe I am cynical, but will Clausen announce that if Charlie is fired he is gone, then we keep Charlie, just to see Clausen go pro anyway, after it is too late to hire another top coach?
Your comments please...
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:58 pm | #
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Isn't "short punt" relative? If we kick a 30 yard punt, I want to hear the announcers say "He boomed that one!" ;)
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:58 pm | #
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Trevor -
What? I would like to hear opinions on the plays... not speculation on replacement coaches...That can wait until the post-game BGS post.
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:59 pm | #
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You know what, fucking Ty Willingham won at Stanford - knock the Harbaugh shit OFF - if you lived in Chicago and watched him qb for however long he was there, you would have made him out for the dunderhead he is.....
mikes1160 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:59 pm | #
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Ugh, lets leave the coaching debate for after the game. I'd like to get more game commentary, please.
laurenirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 8:59 pm | #
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hear hear mikes...no more stanford coaches please. Irish Canadian, tough shit.
James ND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:00 pm | #
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i really don't want to talk coaches right now. i'm watching a football game.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:00 pm | #
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Being blocked into the kicker is not a roughing penalty!!!
lush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:00 pm | #
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Maybe Pete Carroll is updating out his résumé nowadays...
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:01 pm | #
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Where ya been Darrin?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:01 pm | #
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Yeah, he was a mediocre qb - but at least he played Div1 FB. And he must have learned something coaching at USD. In his third year he has the program at Stanford - whose academic standards, even for athletes, are even higher than ours - running on all 8 cylinders.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:01 pm | #
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Darrin walls sighting.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:01 pm | #
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nice play
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:01 pm | #
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hard to believe pitt is 8-1 after watching ther O against our D
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:01 pm | #
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That was a huge 3 and out from midfield.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:02 pm | #
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the only thing getting me through these ND games are thinking about Kelly and Harbaugh....one is a guy who has won every where he coached and the other has beaten USC twice, sorry if i like staying positive.....you seriously want to deprive me of talking about the only hope ND has right now for the future???
are you an ND fan?
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:02 pm | #
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our d is holding on so far.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:02 pm | #
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tacoma nd - LMFAO on that one!
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:02 pm | #
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Trevor, you got all week for that, and 3 hours to watch a game.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:03 pm | #
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Hey, almost double the BGS fans online since 1st series. Welcome back Irish fans. 'dja bring beer?
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:03 pm | #
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sorry, trevor. don't mean to deprive you of that. i just usually enjoy talking about the play by play during the games. if you guys want to talk coaches, i can go elsewhere.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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drop the running into the kicker point...the fact is we had no business being within 10 yards of the kicker
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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ann arbor may be lusting after harbaugh
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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Stephen -
Hear, hear..
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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Frak!
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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better than a punt
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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clausen intercepted on the long ball to floyd. damn. he wasn't open at all.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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Well it's better than any punt we could have hoped for.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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that interception was just like a long punt...no worries
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:05 pm | #
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stephen....3 hours of this...what is there to talk about except for the next coach...there's nothing about this game or the plays to talk about
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:05 pm | #
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shit
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:05 pm | #
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I really want to be optimistic, but it's hard when an interception after a 50 yard pass just makes me think, "Hey, better than our punter!"
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:05 pm | #
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Ok D. Offense giving you zero help. Let's stop Pitt again.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:05 pm | #
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Excellent call by Tenuta...
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:05 pm | #
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weis' dad, you crack me up. i almost waver on whether you are being facetious or not.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:05 pm | #
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Sometimes I worry that Jimmy trusts Michael Floyd too much...
Not that I blame him... I'm just saying...
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:06 pm | #
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Herbie is too happy when things go Pitt's way...just saying
I miss Haden and Hammond, with these two clowns calling the game
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:06 pm | #
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the D needs to take advantage before the Pitt O gets their shit together
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:06 pm | #
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Alright, Trevor, carry on.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:06 pm | #
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I will say this, Im glad to see us down only 3 almost half way through the 2nd quarter
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:06 pm | #
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D holding up their end of the bargain so far. time for the O to step up
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:07 pm | #
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don't get so excited mussie. if you watched nd at all this season, you would know we don't strap our helmets on.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:07 pm | #
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Musberger: Take off that cheeleader outfit for Pitt
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:07 pm | #
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Herbie's from Centerville, Ohio
Nice guy.
Mushburger, was once the NU PR guy under Ara.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:07 pm | #
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OK, that INT-punt exchange worked out well for the Irish. Now let's see the O work with some decent field position.
Vox Borealis | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:08 pm | #
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Mushburger is Puerto Rican? ĄSANGANO!
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:08 pm | #
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thanks stephen
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:08 pm | #
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Are the ND corners still giving 10 yard cushions??
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:08 pm | #
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Our D is as good as can be expected.
Special teams and O need to pick it up.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:08 pm | #
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IMO Herbie does a good job. Musberger is just a douche bag
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:08 pm | #
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remember vonage commercials? the bimbo on the beach? oh, nbc.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:08 pm | #
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Mushmouth is unbearable
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:08 pm | #
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Where's Nate, gwizmm, Jim from Redondo Beach, Voice, and OC MJ
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:09 pm | #
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out D, esp Walls, has been a pleasant surprise thus far
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:09 pm | #
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Ok, Weis' Dad.
It took a while, but now I KNOW you've been playing us all week.
No one, not even the most ardent ND fans, like the NBC broadcasters. Pat is on the f-ing board of trustees at U$C, for God's sake!
Good acting, though.
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:09 pm | #
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Floyyyyd
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:10 pm | #
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I wanna watch football, not hear Mushmouths stories from the 20's when he was a middle aged man.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:10 pm | #
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Good to see Jimmy have the time to complete that
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:10 pm | #
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touchdown coming this drive
James ND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:10 pm | #
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Jimmy the Greek, loathed Mushburger.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:10 pm | #
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o showing signs of life
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:11 pm | #
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damn AA is looking good
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:11 pm | #
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lets get the td before we get to the redzone, though. if we can do that.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:11 pm | #
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Nice scurry, AA! Nice block, Theo!
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:11 pm | #
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They renamed the Super Bowl, in honor of Jimmy the Greek.
They call it "The Breeders Cup." Brhahahahahahazha.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:12 pm | #
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That screen play maybe needs to be retired.
Vox Borealis | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:12 pm | #
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that hurt. tough tackle behind the line. i felt like jimmy rolled the wrong way.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:12 pm | #
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The NBC broadcasters are better than ABC's
Herby and Mushmouth get giddy when things go Pitt's way
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:12 pm | #
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our o line has no idea how to block on the screen pass...ive never seen them just get nasty and find somebody and blow them up.....they always look like they don't know who to block
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:12 pm | #
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umm did you WATCH the Navy game last week, Dad? all the announcers did was talk about how hard those Navy guys play
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:13 pm | #
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ROPE to Kumara
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:13 pm | #
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I like Tony Alford, and Theo Riddick.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:13 pm | #
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talk about a pleasant surprise...kamara has stepped up since returning healthy against usc
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:13 pm | #
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duuuuuuuu...vaaaaaaaal
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:13 pm | #
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Mushmouth was a mouse on the big-time 3rd down coversion by ND
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:14 pm | #
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Okay, so I just read the article on the USC-Stanford game. Harbaugh went for two up 48-21 with 6:47 left in the 4th quarter. Anyone have a clue why? Just trying to rub it in? Ordinarily I'd say that's low class, but against USC, I'm all for it.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:14 pm | #
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IrishGush -- No kidding. Floyd's injury definitely did a lot of good for our depth chart...
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:14 pm | #
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CW, bagged the slant to Duval, 'cause of the slip. WTH!!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:14 pm | #
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through the back is legal?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:14 pm | #
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looked like PI on pitt
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #
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Nice missed face mask, Harrisburg boy
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #
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Matt 09 is absolutely right
weis dad is not for real, just ignore him, until he says one thing critical, even constructively critical about ND
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #
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kick it!!!!!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #
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Go for it! Nope, looks like the kicking team.
Vox Borealis | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #
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come on tausch!!!
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #
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"This is a corner you can roll with"
Wow - that is so wrong.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #
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Nate, yeah, he was trying to rub it in on PC. PC was pissed off after the game.
Fook PC and $C. I laughed my ass off, they stopped it at the 1" line.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #
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The OTHER Tausch ties the game
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:16 pm | #
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Good for him!
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:16 pm | #
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yay!, we're not losing a game!
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:16 pm | #
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Nate, Nate Whitaker's the Stanford kicker, he transferred over from ND.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:16 pm | #
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ooh...guess it wasn't tausch...you think he still has the jitters from last week?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:16 pm | #
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WVFI guys said it was David Ruffer kicking...TV say why Tausch didn't kick?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:16 pm | #
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let him punt next time
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:16 pm | #
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These officials reek!!
lush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:17 pm | #
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Nate - something about having the longer kick... they were surprised...
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:17 pm | #
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Jim, thanks, but Whitaker made all his other XP's. I think Harbaugh just wanted to try it.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:17 pm | #
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Who's this new kicker?
bhatta | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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the refs are fine...the refs have been average all year, they haven't cost us shit....stop talking about the refs
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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looked like clausen and wr's weren't on same page on secondary routes on 3rd down. which wr was clausen talking to?
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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Duval, Duval, you gonna be sitting next year.......
mikes1160 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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Harbaugh had a fourth and one from the $C 10 yed. line, up 7 late in the 3rd qtr. Did he kick it? Nole ran the hb up the gut for 8 yds., and a running TD next.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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We gotta beat the refs tonight. The Big Least will do everything they can to get 2 teams in the BCS.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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holy shit a touchback
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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LOVE THE TOUCHBACKS!!!
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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David Ruffer .. I wonder if we have more kickers under scholarship than anyone else in the country.
bhatta | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #
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HOLY SHIT A TOUCHBACK!!!!! IM GOING TO CHURCH RIGHT AFTER THIS GAME
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:19 pm | #
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beat the refs? we need to not beat ourselves.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:19 pm | #
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Trevor, see Michigan game, see Michigan State game.....you can't be serious. Okay, go find a mirror and start talking about Harbaugh...
mikes1160 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:19 pm | #
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Harbaugh = Balls. Big Giant Steel ones. I'm not calling for him to be the next ND Coach, I'm just applauding the cojones.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:19 pm | #
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i believe ruffer's a walk-on
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:19 pm | #
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Did I see an Irish kickoff reach the end zone?
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:19 pm | #
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If you beat yourself, you'll go blind.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:20 pm | #
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Harbaugh does not have ND pedigree
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:20 pm | #
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'81 you certainly did!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:20 pm | #
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someone has probably already answered this, but weis never wants the place kicker to do kickoffs. i guess he doesn't want them to make it in the nfl.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:20 pm | #
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we didnt lose to michigan because of the refs...agreed they messed up and cost us, but we lost because we sucked and deserved to lose that game
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:20 pm | #
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Trying to watch the game - in KC. ABC has the TTech v OKSt game. Is it on the Net?
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:20 pm | #
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grude -- I'm watching it on channelsurfing.net
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:21 pm | #
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agreed, trevor. we lost because we couldnt get a first down to ice the game.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:21 pm | #
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Why did we kick it into the ned zone? We lost our chance to let them get called for a block in the back.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:21 pm | #
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http://www.justin.tv/ssl17
ND67Aquajock | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:21 pm | #
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Gruden, join the Army and watch it with Nate in Afghanistan.
Yeah, take Weis' Pop with ya.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:22 pm | #
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I just drove 20 visitors away.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:22 pm | #
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brian smith was completely lost on that last big run play...watch it again
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:23 pm | #
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Who do you like in the fight tonight, boyz?
Pac-man or Cotto?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:23 pm | #
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I think I just heard Musberger pleasuring himself while talking about the Little 10
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:23 pm | #
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justin.tv is great. thanks! hate mushberger though
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:23 pm | #
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teo got hammered on the run play, but did a good job not getting called for roughing stull.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:23 pm | #
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Brian Smith blows. He was gassed on the 2nd play of the game.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:23 pm | #
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Pac-Man....anyone want to update the board on that?
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:24 pm | #
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aughhhhh pass rush stop sucking!
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:24 pm | #
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hahaha Tacoma, craks moi up
fight starts about 11:30pm east coast time
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:24 pm | #
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wow that sucks
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:24 pm | #
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helluva catch
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:25 pm | #
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dont worry...the boys will be back...
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:25 pm | #
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oh hai, shud i guard that dude? k thanx bye!
ANON | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:25 pm | #
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Harbaugh would have ND up 4 td's by now.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:25 pm | #
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no pass rush whatsoever. the dts got killed, stull can step up and make a perfect throw. and walls needs to turn around.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:25 pm | #
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Herbie jinxed us with the comment about Tenuta dialing it up.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:25 pm | #
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great catch, what are you going to do
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:25 pm | #
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DB never looked back - was close enough to bat that away.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:25 pm | #
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well, two-and-a-half minutes left...all Jimmy needs to do is convince himself it's the fourth quarter and we'll have a TD for sure.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:26 pm | #
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can our secondary look any f'in worse? 4 and 5 star players! give us 2s and 3s who we can make 5s. They haven't peaked at 17 y/o, right?
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:26 pm | #
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seeing it again I agree Jim
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:26 pm | #
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This D was jinxed long before Herbie met them.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:26 pm | #
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No Harbaugh would have Stanford up 4 TDs now.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:26 pm | #
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Let me say it for Weis' Dad:
"Now we have them right where we want them, overconfident and happy."
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:26 pm | #
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that was a great pass/catch.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:26 pm | #
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we need a pass rush...we haven't had one since Chris Zorich
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:26 pm | #
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were they in cover-3 there? looked like it -- but walls needs to be deeper.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:27 pm | #
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Ugh. Cheesy Big East commercial was worse than the D getting toasted there.
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:27 pm | #
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i cant believe they droll the double towards the receiver opposite baldwin instead of pitt's clear #1 receiver.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:28 pm | #
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Jimmy has so improved while under pressure last year that was a sack
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:28 pm | #
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I love the historical flashbacks whenever ND is not on NBC.
Who kicked ND's ass the hardest?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:28 pm | #
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Walls was lost from the start.......where have all the Bobby Taylors gone?
Harbaugh would have turned around and knocked that sucker down, no doubt...
mikes1160 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:28 pm | #
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they should review that
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:28 pm | #
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Irish Gush, U R psychic...
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:29 pm | #
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review has determined that parris needs to cut his hair.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:29 pm | #
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thats incomplete
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:29 pm | #
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nice try robbie...
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:29 pm | #
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Touche Stephen....don't suppose they'll show Pinkett running up and down the field against Pitt....
mikes1160 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:29 pm | #
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here is something critical...that young man should cut his hair. Lou would not allow that
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:29 pm | #
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does musberger even know his name is Kirk?
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:30 pm | #
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Or the 82 team beating No.1 Pitt w/ Dan Marino...
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:30 pm | #
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he just called him "clauw-sen"
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:30 pm | #
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what a bad series. clausen's got to be more accurate on 1st and 2nd -- seemed like he had someone over the middle while he was scrambling on 3rd, but would've been a great play. but on 3rd and long's, you need great plays.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:31 pm | #
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I can punt that far
Brian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:31 pm | #
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umm, we should have thrown another interception to the 20, right, weis' dad?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:31 pm | #
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sheesh, just have JC throw another pick
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:31 pm | #
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what a crappy punt
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:31 pm | #
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have we won the field position battle against ANY team this season...?
washington state maybe?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:32 pm | #
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Was that the real Harrison Smiff?
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:32 pm | #
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bets on what harrison smith's bonehead penalty will be today? my vote is biting someone's arm.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:32 pm | #
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kirk has no idea what he's talking about concerning harrison
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:32 pm | #
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harrison smith finally where he belongs - stud play
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:33 pm | #
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herb do not get on the harrison smith band wagon you will only be disappointed later
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:33 pm | #
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I don't get it. We start with armando getting 6 yds a carry. And then we abandon the run.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:33 pm | #
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i'd like to see harrison a little closer to the sideline
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:33 pm | #
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Amen, Mike. Amen.
ND VaBeach | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:33 pm | #
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Weis' Dad are the short punts also a set up for later in the game?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:33 pm | #
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harrison smith has no business being on a football field, unless he's laying down the white paint
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:33 pm | #
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whew, he threw to our best defender. slippery fingers.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:34 pm | #
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This Pitt team is signifcantly better than USC.
IRISHRU2 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:34 pm | #
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Um, 'me' that's Slippery Fingers. Proper noun an' all dat.
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:35 pm | #
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IRISHRU2...
how can you possibly know...who has Pitt played???? you have no idea who's better between pitt and usc
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:35 pm | #
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pitt's o is rolling again. maybe they've figured our defense out (like somebody else last wk)
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:35 pm | #
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AARGH! i wanted t'eo to get that and take it to the house.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:35 pm | #
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I was surprised too, Manti
ND VaBeach | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:35 pm | #
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lol, thanks j-g
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:36 pm | #
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i'd be upset about taking that risk if it was anyone besides golden
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:36 pm | #
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Trevor,
Us.
IRISHRU2 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:37 pm | #
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LOL, Golden Tate is playing defense now?
Airman | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:37 pm | #
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another draw? what's wrong with weis here? give floyd a tate a freaking shot!
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:37 pm | #
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really? we're not even gonna try?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:37 pm | #
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Oh I see. We were saving armando for a run in garbage time.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:37 pm | #
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wow take a shot down field at least
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:38 pm | #
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WTF? 30 secs, and you wuss out for the half? Burn a flippin' TO and throw an interception!
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:38 pm | #
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"I think the defense played solid." Can they fire Chuck during the half?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:38 pm | #
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Why is Disney so damn eager to cram nascar bullshit into college football every 5 minutes? That hillbilly crap has been driving me crazy all season!
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:38 pm | #
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Lackluster so far but at least I'm in Chicago eith the kids and grandson. Yak if you're about T&C say hi, Go Irish
onehipdad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:39 pm | #
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I just realized: it's no coincidence that Brent Musburger's initials are BM... what a piece
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:39 pm | #
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just curious does anybody actually watch NASCAR
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:39 pm | #
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Time outs are NOT LIKE CELL PHONE MINUTES. They don't carry over.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:39 pm | #
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tacoma nd I watch NASCAR as I fall asleep on the couch.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:40 pm | #
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At least last week, we could move the ball between the 20s. So far we've just sucked.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:40 pm | #
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At least they aren't playing the Kenny Chesney song anymore.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:40 pm | #
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Would it be too much to ask for our offense to start playing to its potential?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:40 pm | #
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nice stat under charlie's interview - '3 pts scored in over last 2 games in first half'. Rather see Gruden JOGGING off the field donning his visor at the half. Weis is a great ND guy, but time to go.
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:41 pm | #
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give AA the ball....totally agree with that
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:41 pm | #
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Pitt must be really good to hold our high powered offense to 3 points!
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:41 pm | #
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i'd love to see weis replaced by teddy ruxpin. put h.r. pufnstuf in the box for tenuta, too.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:42 pm | #
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Gentlemen: off to the pub. hopefully will get them to turn the channel from the english premier league. Keep it civil. GO IRISH
tacoma nd | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:42 pm | #
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Armando is 6.6 YPC and he doesn't get many touches? :-)
Airman | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:42 pm | #
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Is there any chance we could get a punter by third quarter? It really affects the outcome of the game signifcantly
biiggs | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:43 pm | #
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Utah and Byu shouldn't be ranked.
3 MWC teams in the top 25; what is the world coming to?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:43 pm | #
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Just wait until we get Floyd back, then our offense will click with the dual threat of Tate and Floyd.
Errr, Floyd is back, try using him Chuck.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:43 pm | #
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you guys just wait... lol
next year, we will get everything in order.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:45 pm | #
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Tacoma, I'm tired of keeping it "civil". Much like our "O" line, I'll bring the nasty.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:45 pm | #
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I didn't know Stanford set a record for points against the Trojans. I'm jealous.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:46 pm | #
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Hey, I'm a great ND guy, do I get to coach the football team and make 4 million a year? Where do I sign up?
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:46 pm | #
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Stanford is going to kill us. Thank god, it will be the final nail in Chuck's coffin.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:48 pm | #
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I think Stanford just set the record vs. Pete Carroll's Trojans...I'm pretty sure ND has some outstanding 55+ record against the Trojans from back in the day.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:48 pm | #
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well, for whatever reason Weis/Polian chose to put Ruffer out there, looks like it was a good decision. Still a one score game, and we got the ball coming.
But that Baldwin guy has me worried. What a catch...
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:48 pm | #
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They said 121 years of Trojan football.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:49 pm | #
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Well I'll be durned.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:50 pm | #
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55 points is a lot of points against USC. Hey Pete, how's that freshman QB working out for you?
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:50 pm | #
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Just wait til we play em
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:50 pm | #
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If they scored 55 against USC's defense they will score 85 against ours. Maybe they will put their strong safety in at QB like Chuck did.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:52 pm | #
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Excuse me Big Mike, but take a number. I'm next in line to be paid $11,000 every single day to oversee an average college football team.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:52 pm | #
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Aha! Found the game I'm thinking of... 1966, Notre Dame 51 - USC 0
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:53 pm | #
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Well that's the widest margin.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:54 pm | #
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CW, an offensive genius, that can't score.
Harbaugh would have 35 on Pitt at this time in the game.
Look at the scores of all the great programs, they score like crazy most games, not ND. Three points and a cloud of dust.
Pathetic.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:54 pm | #
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Did anyone flashforward and see an Irish Championship?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:55 pm | #
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I saw a TD on their first drive after the half.
Brian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:56 pm | #
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no, but i also didn't see weis on the sidelines.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:56 pm | #
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I'm with the previous posters: go back to AA. Abandon the WC.
And either dump the screens, or figure out a way to get our linemen to actually block on them.
St. Michael still looks hungover from his time off. I hope he shakes it off.
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:57 pm | #
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Every time Baldwin shows us up it's like a dagger - that kid wanted to go to ND first and only but we couldn't get him in - what a crock -I hate our holier than thou rules
Pickel | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:57 pm | #
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Voice, do you need an assistant? I'm an expert at sending five (5) guys after the QB and getting NO PRESSURE. I was taught by the best, John Tenuta, who's blitz packages never get home. EVER.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:57 pm | #
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I did, except the coach was skinny.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:57 pm | #
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remember when dmb was good?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:57 pm | #
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Can we stop with the harbaugh lovefest pls?
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:58 pm | #
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2nd half.... c'mon JimmayJimmayJimmay
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:59 pm | #
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back from inhaling a couple of brewskies....
lets....go.....
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:59 pm | #
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yea, no kidding. has anyone heard harbaugh talk? and that guy is jumping to the nfl the first chance he gets.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:59 pm | #
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Did Herbsteit just mess up and say "Give US our only touchdown" as if he's on Pitt's team?
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 9:59 pm | #
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Big Mike, you're hired. I think we'll dovetail nicely with the efforts of this lame crew. Gotta keep Mendoza as strength coach, though. He's the best.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:00 pm | #
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Pound it, Charlie!
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:00 pm | #
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oh noez! if we keep running, we might get a touchdown!
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:00 pm | #
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AA is all business tonight, feed him the ball.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:00 pm | #
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AA's night!
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:01 pm | #
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Looking great. Glad all the wrinkles have been ironed out....
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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Harbaugh, give him props, he's a better coach than he ever was a player. Thank god he was chucking the rock for Scum U. I think he was ND's most valuable player on several occasions. He hit more ND players with his passes than Michigan guys.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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smashmouth!
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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Is this year our turn for the 2nd half comeback?
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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tate, you pimp
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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More of that, plz.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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Charlie is running a clinic out there
what a drive.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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hahaha, tate cracks me up... looked like he was confused with what to do when he caught the ball.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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imagine that. establish run, open passing lanes.
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:03 pm | #
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No way! Another ND drive UNDER REVIEW.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:03 pm | #
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Is McLovin's dad the Referee?
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:03 pm | #
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lets not commend the drive yet.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:03 pm | #
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We are nearing the dreaded red zone
IMIRISH | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:04 pm | #
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bullet, meet foot.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:04 pm | #
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Yeah, and the Mushbrainer and whats-iz-name say "Wow, he was in-bounds...what a great piece of CAMERA WORK."
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:04 pm | #
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Tell em Charlie...show them who is boss
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:05 pm | #
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just keep pulling the trigger. there are six chambers in the gun.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:05 pm | #
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Weis is in so over his head. Pitiful.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:06 pm | #
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Same old shit. We're driving, then a penalty followed by confusion, burning a TO. What next? I think I've seen this movie before.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:07 pm | #
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What is the snot report looking like tonight?
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:07 pm | #
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Musberger and Goldilocks would be nutting all over ND if it wasn't for the NBC contract. Would it be worth it?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:07 pm | #
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Did we just blow a to on that? I'm sure that won't come back to haunt us this low scoring game way to go Irish - come on!
Pickel | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:07 pm | #
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Wildcat comes next, i bet.
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:07 pm | #
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51-0, with our backup QB Coley O'Brien leading the way.
Knoxville Irish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:08 pm | #
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run...the...damn...ball
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:08 pm | #
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why did floyd get manhandled twice in a row?
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:08 pm | #
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FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:09 pm | #
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i quit you
Brian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:09 pm | #
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that dropped pass was not Charlie's fault, lets remember.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:09 pm | #
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floyd is rusty
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:09 pm | #
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wow...3 plays to floyd, and he screwed them all up. great kid, will make other plays, but this stinks.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:09 pm | #
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weis' dad, that was a clinic of a drive.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:09 pm | #
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Snot Report:
"Waning moon draws full nasal mucosa at 10:47 PM E.S.T."
Nat'l Weather Service 11/14/2009
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:09 pm | #
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if floyd had played in the USC game, we would have owned USC
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:10 pm | #
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Impressed.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:10 pm | #
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the play was there, too bad the catch could not be made
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:10 pm | #
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17 yard punt
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:10 pm | #
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stick with baseball maust
biiggs | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:10 pm | #
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This is typical of Floyd and the other "stars" for that matter. Making plays when they don't matter.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:11 pm | #
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I realize they are just kids, but come on...you play for ND and you're playing in an NFL stadium against a top 15 team at night...why does it feel like they would rather be home playing Madden?
Brian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:11 pm | #
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Im seeing some quit in these guys, think they know something we don't?
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:11 pm | #
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If we have a walkon who can kickoff to a touchback how bout a punter who can kick 30 yrds
Pickel | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:11 pm | #
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if armando got three straight hand offs, who here doesn't think we have another 1st down?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:11 pm | #
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why is our punting utterly incompetent? Who kidnapped St. Michael, and what have they done with him?
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:11 pm | #
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Voice,
looks like we'll need a bunch of hankies at 10:48, copy?
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:11 pm | #
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the lead is only a TD, nothing for Jimmy and Co.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:12 pm | #
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boy these guys have totally given up on Charlie.... you can say what you want but they see the writing on the wall. Sorry charlie its over for you
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:13 pm | #
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im about to turn off Mushmouth and get Criqui on the radio...
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:13 pm | #
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and yet again ND helps opposing WRs increase their draft status
Brian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:13 pm | #
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our db's are horrendous. absolutely horrendous. i would send corwin and tenuta home for the night.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:13 pm | #
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Te'o getting handled by a fullback tonight...
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:14 pm | #
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Now this looks like our D, i was wondering how long it would take them to show
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:14 pm | #
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halftime adjustments...clearly going well
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:14 pm | #
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Drought,
Temperature + wind speed + waning moon's lunar pull on shnot = Charlie's sweatshirt sleeves get starched.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:14 pm | #
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We've seen this before...and befo0re...and before...
Why is it that the players whose fault the poor plays are don't make them on well-coached teams?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:14 pm | #
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Get the feeling we are running out of borrowed time
BigE | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:14 pm | #
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I see it was another great bunch of halftime adjustments by us
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:14 pm | #
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i would love to be a receiver playing against nd. you have such good odds of having a career day.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:14 pm | #
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Or a freshman qb they really light us up too.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:15 pm | #
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The D is fine. That's what 6-5 receivers are supposed to do 1 on 1.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:15 pm | #
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I thought the offensive play calling after halftime was pretty good. Floyd's drop stopped what was a nice drive.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:16 pm | #
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Correction TJ: You mean walk-on freshman QB
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:16 pm | #
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haha the D is fine? Thats what 6-5 receivers are supposed to do 1 on 1? You better let Floyd know that
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:17 pm | #
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the playcalling after half time was offensive
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:17 pm | #
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sorry my mistake
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:17 pm | #
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When was the last time we ran a punt/kick back? Zibby?
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:19 pm | #
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flood gates are going to open soon. Pitt will continue to put up points.
BigE | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:19 pm | #
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no way Clausen comes back for more of this next year
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:19 pm | #
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Shaun--Hawaii in the Bowl Game--AA ran a kickoff back.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:19 pm | #
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Clausen and Olsen were right! It IS the players' fault.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:19 pm | #
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Zibby. Though of course in Zibby's last season, every time he rant it in for a TD it got called back on holding or something else stupid...
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:19 pm | #
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Is something wrong with Armando?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:20 pm | #
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Is it me or are the receivers dropping more balls than usual tonight?
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:20 pm | #
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Nate, thanks that jogs my memory now.
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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18 yard punt average??? did i just read that right??
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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Sam Young...you...
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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Don't worry, Jeff--dropped passes aren't Charlie's fault.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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Oust Maust
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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hell that thing could have taken pittsburgh bounces all the way back to our own endzone.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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our punting is SYSTEMATICALLY bad
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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Im sorry but none of us can apologize for this performance. ABC must be killing themselves for scheduling this as a prime time game.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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Damn punting is terrible tonight. Things might get ugly unless the offense starts doing something. That second drive reminds me of the 1st half.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:21 pm | #
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Charlie made Brady Quinn's career at ND
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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Even our "stars" look ordinary tonight. I'm wondering if losing to Navy - "That's all, folks!" - and gthe absolute demise of a "comeback year" and BCS bid has taken something out of the squad tonight.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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LT's correct about the punt returns--Zibby was the last one.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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Oh geeze...poor Brady...Ray Lewis is going to murder him tomorrow
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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off to the pub. are we dancing or tackling?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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Pathetic
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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the wheels have come off
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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PATHETIC
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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Tackle please.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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Dad, Weis is free to join Quinn in Cleveland.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:23 pm | #
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Ive changed my mind the whole defensive coaching staff should resign now dont even wait for the end of the game.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:23 pm | #
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Was I tricked into rooting for football's version of the Washington Generals?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:23 pm | #
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This team appears finally to have given up. They have the same look as 4th quarter USC today.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:23 pm | #
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Pitt deserves to win on the basis of that run alone. I'm going to bed.
FE | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:23 pm | #
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Looks like Charlie will be in the NFL soon enough.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:23 pm | #
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why tj? there are so many people that relish watching nd lose big. this is great for them. and us sorry suckers are bound to tune in, too.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:23 pm | #
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uh deeba deeba dat's all folks.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:23 pm | #
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Even I have to admit it was poor tackling, but let's not lose hope, Jimmy and Charlie have pulled rabbits out of their hats before.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:24 pm | #
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you gotta be kidding
willie | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:24 pm | #
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"BRI-AN KE-LLY" clap clap, clap clap clap
"BRI-AN KE-LLY" clap clap, clap clap clap
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:24 pm | #
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they've given up. there is no fight.
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:24 pm | #
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Jesus Dad whatever you're smoking count me in!
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:24 pm | #
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'gainst who?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:24 pm | #
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point well taken ME... especially now that we are getting it handed to us.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:24 pm | #
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Yes they have - but WeisDad has been ABSOLUTELY wrong on every prediction he's made tonight and in fact all season. Kiss of death.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:25 pm | #
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i thought lee corso's prediction was the kiss of death?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:25 pm | #
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Weis' Dad - are you a robot? No human could keep up that act through this.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:25 pm | #
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You know it's bad when even the WVFI kids are like "Sergio Brown, what a clown...this is probably one of the last quarters of Weis footbal"
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:25 pm | #
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2 score game not over by long shot
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:26 pm | #
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17 is 3 scores
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:26 pm | #
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Any predictions when Weis will leave (barring some crazy comeback tonight)?
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:26 pm | #
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I might have to switch my allegiance and root for Tennessee and the armed robbers!!
Knoxville Irish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:26 pm | #
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I like how Golden Tate refuses to fall over even when he's being shoved backward.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:27 pm | #
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no, pitt is not a good team. i refuse to believe that.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:27 pm | #
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we lost to UM, who is 1-6 in big 10 play now
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:27 pm | #
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And congrats of sorts to Weis for exceeding my lowest expectations. I paid lip service to the worst case being BC 2008, but didn't think it possible. Yet, here it is.
If we get the same "no decisions until after the bowl game" bullshit after tonight, I'm out until next August.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:27 pm | #
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Weis rides out in a Brinks truck 2 weeks from tomorrow.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:27 pm | #
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Brian Kelly will score points on Pitt
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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And the running game is officially dead.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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Correct me if im wrong fellas, Jimmy goes pro(he'd be retarded not to), Sharpley is a 5th year. So our options next year are Crist coming off major knee surgery or Nate Montana?
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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24 - and how much did UM have to pay the refs to get that one win against IU?
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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i just wonder if we can get kelly to leave cincy and the bcs game to coach our bowl game.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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FLOYYYYYYYYYYD
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EAT THAT HATERS
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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Jimmy missed Floyd for the TD with an underthrow.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:29 pm | #
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Nothing to lose on that one.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:29 pm | #
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also tommy rees or andrew hendrix. and whatever stud qb recruit our new coach lures over.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:29 pm | #
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Of course now we're in the red zone. Can we redeem our disgusting red zone stats maybe? Maybe???
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:29 pm | #
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You know, StadiumDudeNamedChip hasn't come up and berated us like a 4 year old yet? I kinda miss that.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:30 pm | #
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Haters? No haters here...that's the first time all season his tricky 4th down play worked.
Go Irish!
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:30 pm | #
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LT,
Not with another hold in the red zone.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:30 pm | #
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i ate it dad, but it tasted like flag.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:30 pm | #
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thats the right call...our OL is so depressing
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:30 pm | #
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whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:30 pm | #
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there you have it the usual penalty when we do something right....no discipline on this team.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:30 pm | #
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Obediah--I grant you that, although I don't think it was as flagrant as some SEC shenannigans (sp?)
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:30 pm | #
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gotta beat the refs
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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Grow up WD - "haters" - jeesh - what kind of slacker trash are you?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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God forbid we sit Sam Young.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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Hold on, guys... We'll mount a comeback with two minutes to go in the game. It's a given.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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need I say more
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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Oh this is such a well-coached team.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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The officials are trying to BE the game.
let the boys play!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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Are we out of the red zone yet?!?! Maybe if we get pushed far back enough we can toss it to Tate and actually score!
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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i'm beginning to think that you aren't really charlie weis' dad....
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:31 pm | #
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Another penalty!?!?!!? I think tonight will surely break me from my "let's give it until the regular season ends" stance.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:32 pm | #
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2nd and 65
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:32 pm | #
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Weis' dad is a great troll.
heredale | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:32 pm | #
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I can't even say "see, the refs are biased", because I'm resigned to the fact that in the red zone we'll do something to screw it up
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:32 pm | #
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oh heyyyy thank YOU announcers for jinxing Pitt
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:33 pm | #
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JFC - oh ok. why didn't they let the play continue?
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:33 pm | #
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Yahoooooooo
Floyd comes through!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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nice
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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familiar. have we been here before?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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Give Clausen reasonable time and he will carve them up
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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now a normal team would just run it in from here
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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Nice, wildcat time.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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I better see a run, run, run with someone other than Hughes.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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Wildcat sweep with our biggest, slowest RB!!!
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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You know those awesome internet videos of football plays where people break down the x's and o's that you wouldn't otherwise understand so you can clearly see how one coach completely pwnt the other? I'd kill to see one where ND is the pwner instead of the suckbag laughing stock.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:34 pm | #
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AA makes another wrong cut by going inside off block
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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does anybody remember the pitt game in willinghams last year??? worst reffing i have ever seen
maybe this is fate starting to call....
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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DON'T CALL A PITCH PLAY CHARLIE
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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Armando's improvement this year is stunning.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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thank god for wyoming!
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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Fade! Fade! Fade from the 6 inch line!!!!
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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Spot cost ND a yard
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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We're friggin Purdue of the 1980s. Get pushed around and then hope to stage a miracle comeback when the other team gets bored.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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Wildcat.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:35 pm | #
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if anybody doesn't remember...its the game the Pitt qb said the f word live after winning the game on about 5 nonexistent PIs
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:36 pm | #
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Foater in right corner?
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:36 pm | #
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now lets be real from this close there is no way we shouldnt run this in.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:36 pm | #
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If we call a fade, I'm going to bed.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:36 pm | #
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This got glossed over so ill ask again
Correct me if im wrong fellas, Jimmy goes pro(he'd be retarded not to), Sharpley is a 5th year. So our options next year are Crist coming off major knee surgery or Nate Montana?
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:36 pm | #
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sneak? We have a penchant for getting JC hurt on the GL. We might even fumble!
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:36 pm | #
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Run it twice if you have to.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:36 pm | #
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QB sneak.
easy play to call
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:37 pm | #
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Go Nate! A fade is by far our best chance of breaking another of Floyd's bones. Call it!
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:37 pm | #
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Bush push.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:37 pm | #
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John Goodman before Montana
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:37 pm | #
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I'm guessing that not a lot of folks here actually saw Stanford hand USC its ass. The biggest differences you saw in Stanford's players from ours were their unbridled fire and enthusiasm, from opening kick off til final gun.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:37 pm | #
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Ha ha, Homeydogg
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:37 pm | #
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Get me some of that.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:38 pm | #
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If Crist hasn't lost a step we're in good shape.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:38 pm | #
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Shaun, that is right, if Nate Montana comes back. also Tommy Rees or Andrew Hendrix as incoming freshmen. and whatever stud qb recruit our new coach lures over.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:38 pm | #
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I might be crazy but didnt Nate montana already transfer? that leaves us with Crist and the incoming freshman
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:38 pm | #
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Remeber that shovel pass to the tight end play that Lou liked to call here? Those were the days.
FE | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:38 pm | #
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FI-nally
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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Smashmouth
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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I called the QB sneak, friends, and there you have it.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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QB SNEAK!!!
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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Good call forum! TD!
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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holy piss, Dad was right!!!
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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Yay! 4th Q. 1st TD.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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TJ, Nate Montana went to junior college to beef up his stats and get more experience. He hasn't played much.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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Montana transferred just for the season to a lower division/level team to gain some playing time. He's supposed to be back for next year.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:39 pm | #
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Is Nate Montana related to Joe Montana?
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:40 pm | #
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Way to screw up the PA. How many PA misses is that for the year?
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:40 pm | #
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............of course.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:40 pm | #
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Ruffer is now a career 0/2 on PATs, right?
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:40 pm | #
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All these prized recruits and no kickers/punters
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:40 pm | #
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Is the Freshman hurt? If not, WTF.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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thanks guys for the update we might need him the way things are going. I have to agree Jimmy has to go for his own good. None of us would turn down that kind of money
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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Yeah he missed against Washington last year.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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ndguy, you can't be serious, can you? He's Joe's son.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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futility continues with the extra pt. devil's in the details boys.
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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Well, we'll get 2 more TDs and will be up 23-20 so we won't get beaten on a FG.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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Nate's little bro Nick headed to UW to play for Sarkisian.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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Our only chance in this game is if the inevitable Wannstache panic permeates the team. Pitt has a lot of older players, so they may have developed a resistance to it.
Jesus H. Christ, missed XP, Wanny'll calm down.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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Is Tausch hurt?
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:41 pm | #
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We have 4 kickers on scholie but walk ons have taken over...that's funny.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:42 pm | #
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Only his feelings.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:42 pm | #
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The collar is getting tight for Pitt
Charlie and Co will tighten the noose.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:42 pm | #
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Any resolution on what the deal is with Tausch???
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:42 pm | #
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Another frosh asshumpin our D.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:42 pm | #
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If Tauch ain't hurt, more evidence that Charlie is a moron.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:43 pm | #
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A turnover would be really beautiful right now.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:43 pm | #
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Tausch probably quit the team after missing two FGs against Navy.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:43 pm | #
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Dad, just stop, please. It's no longer funny.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:43 pm | #
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If that were the case then I wish that Charlie had followed him.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:44 pm | #
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Im sure Tausch was benched for missing the two FGs last week. sounds about right.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:44 pm | #
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after making 14 in a row... psycho torture with kickers and punters under this coaching staff
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:44 pm | #
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Teo just got beat in the open field. WTF
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:44 pm | #
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Jesus Te'o looks awful out there
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:44 pm | #
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Does Te'o have a single tackle tonight?
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:44 pm | #
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We even suck at two-hand touch.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:44 pm | #
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I'm glad the D stepped up with a big stop to aid the comeback.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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another freshman heisman canidate provided by ND
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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Gashed by the 'stache.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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Wow...our run defense evaporated.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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The noose is tightening alright,
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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OK. That's it.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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Don't even think about Te'o until you call out Brian Smith.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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i can't breathe.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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Chuck is an offensive genius, he's just not so great at defense.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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I feel like Im watching us playig USC
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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Looks like Pitt has borrowed heavily from Navy's gameplan....clearly outscheming ND!!!
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:45 pm | #
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The only genius I've ever seen come out of Charlie is finagling that 10-year contract.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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The wife: "I have sad".
Thanks Charlie, you've turned my wife into an LOLcat
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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mushmouth redeems himself completely with the long knife comment.
Old school nastiness and fat joke all wrapped in one.
Can we fire Weis between before the kick off return?
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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swiss cheez D. Now that's NASTY
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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There goes the argument that the program is improving because the blow outs are a thing of the past..
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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Sergio...please call your jockstrap
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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Brian Smith shoes are still stuck on the field
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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Notre Dame is all scheme...
...and no execution.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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Hang on, guys... We'll mount a comeback late in the fourth.
I hope all these guys go pro.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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can't say weis is good at offense tonight.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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How many stars was Teo rated???
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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Charlie's vaunted offense should have scored some points when the D was good. The schematic advantage fails once again.
That being said, our defense is scary bad up the middle.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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@Nate LOL
heredale | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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Honeydogg, thanks for making me laugh. God are we Awful.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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I hope the AD puts together a playbook for a systematic removal and hiring advantage that'll land someone special. And not special in the sense that he's an ND alum.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:47 pm | #
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After the game Stache may claim that it looked like ND used the same defensive scheme they used against Tony Dorsett
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:47 pm | #
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Even given the oft-mentioned point here is that it is the players and not the coaches who make the plays - this kind of total collapse game after game just doesn't happen to well-coached teams.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:47 pm | #
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Paging Brian Kelly Paging Brian Kelly
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:47 pm | #
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Teo is 5 stars. But Teneta takes three from each player when they matriculate.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:47 pm | #
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WVFI is funny. They are MERCILESS towards Sergio Brown. Wonder if he slept with someone's gf?
The call during the TD:
Guy 1: "....SERGIO BROWN MISSES THE TACKLE...AND HE'S GONE!"
Guy 2: "and so is Charlie Weis"
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:48 pm | #
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We exchange TDs and yet lose ground because we are using guys from the stands to kick extra points.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:48 pm | #
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I think Te'o is going on a mission to USC.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:48 pm | #
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Is it really THAT HARD to have good fundamentals?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:48 pm | #
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I can't wait to hear Charlie say, 'Well, the players... they played the whole game. They were still trying...'
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:49 pm | #
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Sergio Brown with the hair and all - looks like an NFL player - which is as close as he's going to get to being one.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:49 pm | #
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Michael Floyd has given up.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:49 pm | #
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Wow. Sergio looked awful on that TD. Thanks for the replay.
Thanks for that additional drop, Floyd.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:49 pm | #
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Stephen...BYU
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:49 pm | #
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This is starting to look like the second half of 2008 season
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:49 pm | #
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What do does ND accomplish during practice???
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:49 pm | #
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Te'o might have second thoughts in February.
Voice in the Wilderness | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:49 pm | #
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Tate has not given up
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:50 pm | #
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And now the foul-weather fans have surfed over here to watch.
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:50 pm | #
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Mr. Kelly,
Mr. Swarbrick is on the red phone.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:50 pm | #
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Teo, Tate, Jimmy - none will be here next year.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:50 pm | #
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Player of the week nominee - Toby Gerhart. Passed over by USC because he was only a two star guy. Ran for 179 2 TD against them today.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:50 pm | #
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Maybe, unless the coaching hemorrage can be stopped
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:51 pm | #
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Wow, this is painful.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:51 pm | #
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A question for all the Weis apologists out there: Is this game over enough so that we can start talking about getting a new coach?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:51 pm | #
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another screen???
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:51 pm | #
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Our screens are just funny to watch.
O-line runs down field while the defense runs straight to the receiver.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:51 pm | #
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This is just as embarrassing as 2 years ago or as any moment under Davie or Ty - a once-proud, competitive program reduced to an afterthought.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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Where's Aaronb???? i would love to hear his insight
if charlie cares about this school, he will announce his resignation after this game
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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what has happened to FLoyd???/ wtf
we need to take their dline
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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And now the foul-weather fans have surfed over here to watch.
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:50 pm | #
Ezactly when was the fair weather?
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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What does anybody have to add to the coach discussion that hasn't been said a million times already?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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Te'o got off to a good start, but he has played like SHIITTTTTT for the last two weeks. down right silly tonight.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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I was waiting to see how ND did this game. I'm ready for the change. I held out hope for as long as I could. This performance finishes Weis.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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Is there anyone still rooting for mediocrity?
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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weis' screens used to work -- somehow they worked against nfl teams, including wannstedt when he started. no longer
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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I cant imagine this season is going to get worse unless UCONN gets that emotional win against us. I have to admit it wouldnt surprise me at all
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:52 pm | #
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atta boy floyd. i take back my comment.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:53 pm | #
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Lay off Teo...he's still a freshman, remember? More playing time = more mistakes. He'll get there.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:53 pm | #
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weis hasn't changed a gameplan since 2006. was it airforce or byu?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:53 pm | #
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Not That Tom, I guarantee the Weis ass-kissers will be here next week with a fresh batch of excuses. Never fails.
BTW, I think Tausch strained something during warmups.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:53 pm | #
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Floyd looks out of shape.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:53 pm | #
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well, at least they play well with their backs against the wall. but this isn't baseball -- you can't just have on great scoring inning.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:54 pm | #
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Why does Clausen throw the ball so HIGH on his long passes? Where is his arm?
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:54 pm | #
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Yeah seriously. Te'o is young and he's one of the best players on this d. I don't think he'll leave.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:54 pm | #
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Trevor: Give AaronB a break--he was legit in his beliefs that it wasn't over, and admitted he'd change his mind if we didn't win our next few games. I'm interested on if he does change his stance, but I'm not rubbing anything in or saying "I told you so"--I wish I was wrong.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:54 pm | #
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JimK,
Reveling in USC's loss just makes us look all the worse.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:54 pm | #
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Clausen's gonna take it off!
rofl
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:55 pm | #
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the best scenario for us would be if Charlie hired somebody as the head coach and stay as the QB coach
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:55 pm | #
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Hello Fr. Jenkins,
This is Urban from Gainesville.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:55 pm | #
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the only thing left to do now is jimmy pad his stats for the draft. I have to admit this year Jimmy and Tate have never given up.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:55 pm | #
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clausen decided to slide tonight - not the middies on across the los
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:55 pm | #
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these kids play like i typed papers in college. last minute rush and not enough points because it is late.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:55 pm | #
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sdirish, what in the past 5 years makes you think charlie can make a good hire?
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:56 pm | #
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We are one of the less physical teams in all Div I - including FCS. We should be pounding these guys with the size we have. Pitt just seems to want it more than we do. Makes me wonder if the team, regardless as their media show last week, has quit on the coaching staff.
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:56 pm | #
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Yes, hello Urban, how are you doing tonight?
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:56 pm | #
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I think Weis gets another year. Next year or bust. I doubt he'll be fired irrespective of what happens this year.
rk | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:56 pm | #
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I feel like I'm watching ND vs. USC three years ago, with Quinn trying to throw the whole friggin game on his back while the stands reamain listless, meanlcholy.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:57 pm | #
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i dont want to rub it in
aaronb has pretty much been the only real supporter this last week for weis....and he really gave no relevant or compelling evidence to support his opinion of keeping Weis.....i just want to hear what he has to say...i think he's an ND fan, but this game is no surprise, its just another example of CW's HEAD COACHING ability
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:57 pm | #
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why do people still want weis around in any capacity???
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:57 pm | #
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The Penguins won tonight. Friggin Crosby just about blew the game by giving the Bruins a 2-minute 2-man advantage. The Bruins scored to take a 5-4 lead.
Malkin made a beautiful cross-ice feed to Billy Guerin who rang it in off the post with 0.4 seconds remaining to tie it up.
Dupuis won it in OT with his 100th career goal.
ND Attendee Mark Eaton also scored a goal.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:57 pm | #
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rk: that's madness
curseof98 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:57 pm | #
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rk, ain't going to happen. he was gone before this game began.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:57 pm | #
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"BRI-AN KE-LLY" clap clap, clap clap clap
"BRI-AN KE-LLY" clap clap, clap clap clap
"BRI-AN KE-LLY" clap clap, clap clap clap
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:58 pm | #
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i feel horrible for charlie. he hasn't had the easiest life, you know...
flanner fighting 6th | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:58 pm | #
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Well, I'm watching the football game and I think this is really pathetic.
Uh....what game?
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:58 pm | #
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Ashley Russell -- there is NO NEED to bring up Urban Meyer. Now, or ever again.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:58 pm | #
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I am working hard on thinking positively, it is kind of tough, though.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:58 pm | #
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Oh, Excuse me Mr. Meyer, I have Mr. Kelly on the other line.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:58 pm | #
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It's not over yet. It's Wanny remember.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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Here we go....nd coming back
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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I almost believe aaronb is a troll. Constantly provides terrible arguments while reminding us it is not 1950 anymore and that Charlie is laying the foundation for greatness.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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great effort!
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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GOLDEN TATE NEVER QUITS
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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Tate and Jimmy never give up
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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TATE!!!
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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Tate is the secodn coming of Steve Smith (without the thuggery Carolina's Smith seems to possess).
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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Too bad ND now has to play defense
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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And we've waited until the fourth to pick on the shoddy corners. WTF?!
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 10:59 pm | #
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Tenuta and Brown....best d coordinators in the country
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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Way to make adjustments Charlie, only took 3 quarters
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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Sorry Urban, you run a thug program down there.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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Tate's THE MAN! Unfortunately, he's the only MAN we've got...
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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Tate and Clausen have played heroically all season long. It's not going to be fun to watch them leave, but Godspeed to the two of them.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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TD!
Onside kick, let's get it back NOW!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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By the way Urban, are you watching the TCU game?
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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And we've waited until the fourth to pick on the shoddy corners. WTF?!
Hey, two corners had to git hurt afore'n they got shoddy...
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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Tate NEVER takes a play off, and he NEVER gives up. Tremendous effort.
curseof98 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:00 pm | #
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Nah, aaronb just genuinely believed things aren't as bad as they are. I bet he begrudgingly gives a little this week, and he'll be on board by the time we get blown out by Stanford.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:01 pm | #
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im pretty sure as much as anyone on this board wants CW to be fired, no one has any ill will towards him. No one wishes the man harm, he is an ND guy, he proved we can still recruit, it's time for him to hand the program over to someone who can carry this team further.
please stop saying you feel sorry for weis......the guys is set monetarily for life....he chose this job and knew how hard it would be, i have no sympathy for that
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:01 pm | #
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Serously, though: If we pull this out, I'm all, "We are ND" again.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:01 pm | #
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Well, good for tate and the O. They haven't given up, but it took 3 1/2 quarters to shake the residue of the Navy loss, which essentially ended the dream of a comeback season.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:01 pm | #
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*Anticipates something bad happening to negate all warm fuzzy feeling that drinking and Tate's effort just produced*
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:01 pm | #
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Maybe ND should put Tate on defense too....
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:02 pm | #
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Chip, on the other hand, will blame this all on the players and Tenuta, and shower me with righteous indignation that I would even suggest that we might lose to Stanford. Facts are irrelevant to him.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:02 pm | #
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Jon D. Gruden here,
How are things going tonight? Think JC and his targets will stick around for me? Guarantee they'll all play w/ passion for 4 qtrs with me next yr!
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:02 pm | #
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i think we should all remember that at least Weis has moved us forward from where we were previously....
nobody can deny that
thats why personally its hard to think of weis possibly leaving
but at the same time...it sure looks as though we have really platued....
whatever we do, we just need to make sure we bring in someone better...
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:03 pm | #
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Hello Fr. Jenkins, this is Jack. I think it's time we move on the plan we discussed last Saturday evening.
Are you in?
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:03 pm | #
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i dont read what Chip has to say, i just look for his name and skip it
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:03 pm | #
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Yes, SD irish you CAN deny that. He dug the deepest hole I have ever seen for ND football, and he's not even climbing out of it,
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:04 pm | #
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Come on D...turnover?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:04 pm | #
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let's go irish
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:04 pm | #
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Trevor--I read it to look for tips on arguing with my 3 year old.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:04 pm | #
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maybe the TCU coach is getting tired of being in the shadow of Texas and would like to come north?
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:04 pm | #
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The Stache cannot coach...he just saved some clock time for ND
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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Hello, this is Ed Smithe...The telephone jokes have completely run their course. Try harder to think of something amusing.
My favorite of the night was Te'o is going on a mission to USC. Try to do something along those lines.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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i just hope weis has the class to resign. even he has to remember that he said if he didn't get it done in year five, he didn't need to be here.
i hope the good stories about him being a nice guy outweigh the stories of his arrogance.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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Uh oh Stache parroting CW
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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Somehow the D comes up with a stop. Shock sets in. Optimism? No. I think everyone jumped shop earlier this game.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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Heisman moment!!!
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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Well, I feel stupid now.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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holy crap - wow
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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ROCKET!!!!!!
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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Wow...still waiting for the late flag.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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no flag????? hell yeah!
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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tate never gives up...going up the heisman list again
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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Boys, he'll be doing that on Sundays next year
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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GOLDEN TATE!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY!
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:05 pm | #
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Who was asking about punt returns a while ago????
I LOVE GOLDEN TATE!!!
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:06 pm | #
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yeah, where is the phantom clip?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:06 pm | #
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Is that "strike fast" enough, Mush-booger???
GOLDEN is thy TATE.
ezactly
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:06 pm | #
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Great tate.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:06 pm | #
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Clearly that was the schematic advantage.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:06 pm | #
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It was me Nate, ill take credit for that return haha
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:06 pm | #
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good call - poor execution
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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Well, that's not on CW.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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Take the XP!!!!!!!!!! Stupid. Now, Pitt will score a FG and we'll have to go for 2 next time.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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fun-da-men-tals
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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wow. just cracked open the korean wine. wonder if that had anything to do with it.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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JimK
you must have a short memory...cause please please please remind me how many points we averaged a game before weis
and how many incredible recruits we had
just cause you hate weis doesnt mean you have to deny that if he leaves, that he will leave it better than when he picked it up
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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great, now we'll pull this out, CW will keep his job, we'll miss out on Brian Kelly and Ill be sitting here two years later arguing this same stuff after a 9-4 season
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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Well, another great run by tate. Too bad the defense will be back on the field...nd should try the onside kick now...
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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Can't deny Tate is one player that Weis developed.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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I'm perfectly fine with Golden Tate single-handedly winning this game.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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Is it bad that I can't get all that excited, even if we come back and win, because it's Pitt and the Wannstache?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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O, man... this is incredible...
Airman | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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yeah, ROCKET is all I was thinking there
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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golden is thy TATE!!!!!!!
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:07 pm | #
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The Cardiac kids striiiiiiiike! Yet again!
The power of positive thinking...nobody is giving up!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:08 pm | #
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Dad you are the seed
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:08 pm | #
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I've given up on Weis. I haven't given up on our kids.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:08 pm | #
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I saw the blockers after 2 steps and knew that's all he needed.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:08 pm | #
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The D has to step up now.... show some heart
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:09 pm | #
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SD - check this out:
http://www.georgemacor.com/
NDfoo...all_results.php
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:09 pm | #
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Like I said. It's Wanny.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:09 pm | #
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If ND comes back and wins, WEIS will SURELY be BACK next year!!!!!
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:09 pm | #
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You said it ed
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:09 pm | #
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there was the shovel to the TE...it would have been good if ragone catches it
I wonder if Lou let charlie in on that one when he visited this week
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:09 pm | #
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was that goolsby? lol, that's the first thing i thought on that tackle
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:09 pm | #
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Maybe Sam Young too. Yeah, I've given up on Sam Young.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:10 pm | #
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need turnover
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:10 pm | #
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here's a stupid question....why doesn't Charlie have Tate returning every punt and every kick return?????
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:10 pm | #
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Now, the broadcasters even flip-flopped tonight and are praising Weis.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:11 pm | #
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Yes, he is resilient, like his players
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:11 pm | #
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no catch
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:11 pm | #
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they should review that.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:11 pm | #
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they wont overturn it
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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Resilient, no. Desperate, yes.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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That was a catch...sorry nd
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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Incomplete ball hit ground will BE booth reverse it? Buehler?
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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why doesn't the field ref get a screen in college? shouldn't he get input too?
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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it wasn't a catch, but they won't overturn it.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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this is a close one and honestly it could go either way
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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they owe us one from earlier in the game
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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can't pin the ball to the ground
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:12 pm | #
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HA. maybe when we join the big east.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:13 pm | #
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play stands
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:13 pm | #
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Clearly was a catch...sorry nd....good call by the officials
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:13 pm | #
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BE screw job alive and well
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:13 pm | #
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gotta beat the refs
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:13 pm | #
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now we can get the interception from McCarthy
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:13 pm | #
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The fact that ABC didn't show it again and again tells me it wasn't a catch. where there's smoke, there's fire.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:14 pm | #
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TJ -- I concur.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:14 pm | #
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What's all the hate for ABC??? they are not the reason we suck
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:14 pm | #
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Smith is tackling tonight!
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:15 pm | #
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this season has been hell on my liver.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:15 pm | #
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True, if this game was on NBC, that would not have been ruled a catch
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:15 pm | #
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NBC is the reason we suck
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:15 pm | #
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FUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:15 pm | #
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JimK...the results only show score not offensive output...if my memory serves me right..we didnt score an offensive td for several games
you can thank special teams and davies leftover defense ala shane walton and courtney watson for about half our points
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:15 pm | #
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You know what, I'm sorry, but even if we can pull this out (and who knows), I'm tired of our team only playing in the 4th quarter. We can only play in mad-scramble mode.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:15 pm | #
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that whay we wanted, just didnt get it
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:16 pm | #
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great for us - but why didn't the stache call a timeout?!
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:16 pm | #
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Too bad Hudspeth is not out there this evening
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:16 pm | #
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Pitt needs to punt!!!
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:16 pm | #
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NATE, hang in there...everything will turn out all right.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:16 pm | #
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punt it to Tate again so he can lead the heisman voting
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:17 pm | #
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and Jim...i am not even sayin we should keep weis...just that he is leaving it in a better place if he goes
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:17 pm | #
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Gooolden Gooooolden....
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:17 pm | #
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Please...
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:17 pm | #
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It's Jimmy time!
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:17 pm | #
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Here is where the magic happens
Irish mystique
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:17 pm | #
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give it to tate
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:17 pm | #
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Nate you hit the nail on the head
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:17 pm | #
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great decision stache. make them pay nd
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:18 pm | #
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this team regresses. we are just not right with the football world. i agre we need some major changes.
okiedomer | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:18 pm | #
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where's the wildcat?????
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:18 pm | #
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We got this!
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:18 pm | #
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Would it be too much to ask to run the ball so we don't get smacked in the face by a FG later?
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:18 pm | #
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Dad, things will only turn out right if there is a change. Another year of this isn't "turning our right"
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:18 pm | #
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Yes, this is where Charlie excels
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:18 pm | #
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going for 2 is going to come back and bite us in the ass..
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:19 pm | #
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Dad, why can't he excel for 4 full quarters, not just the last?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:19 pm | #
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ps is abc totally allergic to replays or something?????
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:19 pm | #
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gotta beat the refs
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:19 pm | #
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PI again not called
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:20 pm | #
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wow what a aurprise lineman screw us again
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:20 pm | #
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Chop block???? my word....what a dirty team
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:20 pm | #
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Navy never chop blocked last week
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:20 pm | #
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hmm hope this doesnt turn out like last week with a sack
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:20 pm | #
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And our OL shows us why we suck.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:20 pm | #
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Chop block.....dirtiest play I think I have ever seen
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:21 pm | #
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yet another come back torpedoed by the senior Oline
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:21 pm | #
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Our O-Line is a disgrace.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:21 pm | #
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Dad you and your son will have a great time working on the farm with your grandkids.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:21 pm | #
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AA on third down please
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:21 pm | #
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Offensive line just ended the game.
T | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:21 pm | #
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Punt!!!!
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:22 pm | #
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Doesn't charlie understand that there is no 2 minute warning in college?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:22 pm | #
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Have to go for it, right?
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:22 pm | #
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Jimmy's going to the NFL regardless, now the question is does he want to save Charlie's job?
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:22 pm | #
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please, charlie, please
flanner fighting 6th | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:22 pm | #
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All Pitt has to do is blitz like crazy on fourth down
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:22 pm | #
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oh Jesus Christ!!! im sure theyll give it to Pitt
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:23 pm | #
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2009... The year of the almost.
Almost beat Michigan.
Almost beat SC.
Charlie almost kept his job.
T | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:23 pm | #
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OL pick up your game. Last week, you let Navy push you around. Now, this crap at the end of the game too.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:23 pm | #
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Clearly a throw
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:23 pm | #
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4 & 16
I believe JImmy can get it done
Jimmy was hit in the head, 15-yd penalty not called, figures.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:23 pm | #
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the play was blown dead! how can it be a reviewable play?
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:23 pm | #
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Sam Young... Never thought we'd use the word "serviceable" when we scored that recruit...
curseof98 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:23 pm | #
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what?????
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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WTFFFFFFFFFFF
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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WTF?!?!?!!? That was a terrible call.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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worst. call. ever.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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Ridiculous.
Ed Smithe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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no way - they blew the whistle!
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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It's a throw.
BE wants Charlie to lose his job.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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How do you figure? Fumble?
T | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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BE screw job REDUX
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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AGGGHHHHH
Bunch of cheatin refs
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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Wow. I did not believe until right now that these officials were actually screwing us.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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Weis wants his TO back.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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That lousy call may be the call that saves Weis' job!!!!!
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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screwed
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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"Interesting" is right!
Irish Canadian | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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you have to be fucking kidding me....sorry about the language thos big east refs just plain suck
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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Chuck must be telling the ref, "You've just killed me."
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:24 pm | #
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that was horrible. i would get kicked out of hte game if i were weis.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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Jobbed. But 4th and 16 is a long long shot nonetheless.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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Ya, that was beyond ridiculous. Did the defender actually propel that ball forwards 10 yards? Clearly not, JC's hand was on the ball moving it forward.
NDFollower | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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Weis figures to donate some money after blasting the refs on that call later.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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un fucking believable
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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Everyone say it with me
gotta beat the refs
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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You know it's bad when even the announcers are on our side.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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that was a fumble, that ball was touched by the d lineman, when clausen's arm was coming back, it was loose before clausen's arm was going forward......i hate our luck
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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ND lost a damn TO for that replay crap too.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.worst. call. ever.
j-g | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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that is just shit
bpeters1 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:25 pm | #
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I'm so confused--3rd down happened, it sounded like they went to commercial break (wvfi kids just keep talking), and then all of a sudden we had a rulign that there was a fumble?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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You guys need to pay us off -- the Big East teams do.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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glad we burned a time out on that
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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It's simple:
The ruling on the field was incomplete,
the replay confirmed the ruling on the field,
therefore it's a fumble.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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game.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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Fitting.
T | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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Let them score now, so we can at least get the ball back.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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When does ND get to hire their own refs?
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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watch it again, that ball was loose before jimmy's hand propelled it forward
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:27 pm | #
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WOw...WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW...
but who knows..
willingham had a terrible reffed game against pitt in his last year
was that prophetic????!!!???
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:27 pm | #
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Week after week....SOS
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:27 pm | #
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nd has screwed up today, all of them. but i hope that ref who screwed up the replay dies a horrible, painful death.
IrishGush | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:27 pm | #
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"That's All Folks"
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:27 pm | #
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Quit quoting the rules!! We make them up as we go along!
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:27 pm | #
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Why does everyone downplay the ref's incompetence and keep talking about the refs being on the take.
It was a bad call but the refs aren't cheating.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:27 pm | #
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dear heaven...we should at least get out TO out back
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:28 pm | #
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Good night boys...I'll be dreaming of you.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:28 pm | #
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Weis can now blame the loss on the bad call....Weis will be back next year!!!
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:28 pm | #
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now what really hurts is pitt will get punked by west virginia and cincy well get used to getting beat by our next head coach stache
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:28 pm | #
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Charlie has something to talk about in the presser to downplay the loss.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:28 pm | #
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2nd and 1... On the move. Chop Block.
Guess that's how they do it in Jersey.
Go back. Please.
T | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:28 pm | #
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So now Chuck has his latest excuse. Fantastic. Look, I don't care anymore--let's just make it cut and dried, okay? Either win, or get blown out so we can just say "screw it" and move on.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:28 pm | #
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Fire the bastards.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:29 pm | #
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if we were going to lose, i wish it hadn't been close. i hate to say it, but it would make the firing easier.
why do they interview the losing coach? i thought they don't do that.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:29 pm | #
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Charlie may be a lot of things, but the Ref's call was a travesty of justice.
I'm going back to the bottle for a while.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:29 pm | #
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should we just let them score?? then go for quick td and onside??
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:29 pm | #
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You know we were going to find a call to cheat you guys with! Like that chop block call as the lineman is falling down?
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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Buh-bye charlie.
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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i feel bad for lou
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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Why didn't we get the Timeout back?!!!
Dome Sweet Dome | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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time to get rid of Charlie. If we are lucky we win UConn and lose to Stanford. 8-4 is not good enough. 7-5 (if we lose to uconn) is defintely not good enough.
ALSO very important, how many teams we played this year will have a winning record?
1. Pitt
2. USC
3. Stanford
4. BC
5. Navy
Nevada may win out.
All others will have a losing season.
No way we can keep him.
By the way, Charlie yet again uses an excuse in post game on tv.
Charlie's book title. "No Excuses"
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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Despite all the reports that Weis is an unpleasant and arrogant guy, I cannot help but feel a little sorry for him. And I've never believed that he was the answer to our problems.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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wow
we're already "worrying" about UConn
24 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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Fire that Fat Fuck. Out of a cannon. Into a mass of starving 3rd world children.
And no we don't need to worry about UCONN, because we have nothing left to lose.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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Us sucking and the refs sucking are not mutually exclusive.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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Isn't that IRONIC....ND whining all week about navy using LEGAL cut blocks, and ND BLOWS the game on an ILLEGAL CHOP BLOCK!!!!!! Perfect ending....
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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What's killing is with all the stupid penalties and bad defense, we are giving up only 5 points o the 8th ranked team in the nation. Imagine what our team would be if we had disciplined O-line and some defense... we would be killing Pitt by 2-3 TDs. :-(((((
Airman | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:31 pm | #
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Wont see that awful call on Sportscenter. If the Boys haden't given up yet im sure they will after this mess.
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:31 pm | #
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Teo has SUCKED the last few games.
SUCKED
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:31 pm | #
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Another season down the tubes.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:32 pm | #
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what did charlie say after the game?
flanner fighting 6th | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:32 pm | #
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Anon, Don't want to break it to you but THIS was the fourth loss.
Pat Hobby | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:32 pm | #
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classy obed
grudeND | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:32 pm | #
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CW said, fook it dude, let's go bowling.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:32 pm | #
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Chalie basically said that the chop block hurt the comeback attempt on the last drive and that ND has to worry about UConn next week.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:33 pm | #
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Well let's see...
Floyd's TD catch against Michigan
Rudolph's TD catch against USD
Paris' fumble/recovery after the whistle against Navy
Clausen's 15 yard forward fumble
Did I miss any?
Joel | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:33 pm | #
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Bullshit call flipped the field so ND couldn't run a balanced offense.
Another bullshit call takes the game away...fucking wonderful.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:33 pm | #
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ndguy...diff is we got called on it...it was def a legit call
worst part is...he totally didnt need to cut him
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:33 pm | #
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Flanner, Charlie said the chop block call put a kabosh on the last drive. Then he said he was preparing for Conn, and not worrying about the firing.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:33 pm | #
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It's the nail in the coffin. No way does Chuck coach in 2010.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:33 pm | #
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A pleasant note to those whose smoking material is hallucinogenic and think that there has been any "improvement" except over the pit that Weis himself dug -
Texas is 98-13 since 2001, which is why they passed us last year for 2nd most wins all time. Here is a correct link to our games during that same stretch:
http://vividair.blogspot.com/
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:33 pm | #
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ND is 1-9 without Golden Tate
Red Mahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:33 pm | #
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We HAVE to beat UCONN for bowl game. Can't count Stanford as a win, they are just too physical for us unless we have a complete game. Man our kicking/punting sucks.
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
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lou now has to sit through mark may gloating. ugh. i would take a baseball bat to his fat head.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
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Why do we have to worry about UConn.....I didn't know ND basketball has UConn next week...what night? i didn't know big east league play started this early in the season
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
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thanks, jeff. if i were charlie, would skip the post game interviews
flanner fighting 6th | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
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ndguy is a dickless troll, ignore him
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
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Ironic that the tipping point to mercifully fire CW was based on the L11 & BE garbage reffing.
With a real HC, we shall rise.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
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All night long the refs were screwing us. The shame is, the Big East is our conference in everything else. I would expect that kind of garbage from the Big Ten. You could make a highlight reel of the no calls against Pitt. Even Mushmouth had to point out no penalties had been called on Pitt. ND has got to blast the officials. That last call was brutal.
JK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
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I'm from New Jersey and I disown Chuck. He's not a Jersey guy.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:35 pm | #
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Golden Tate for Heisman!!!
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:35 pm | #
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we have 6 wins. we are going to bowl, no matter what
flanner fighting 6th | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:35 pm | #
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yeah, i picked up that ndguy was an idiot a while back.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:35 pm | #
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joel yes a bunch...but we should almost come to expect it.....sadly
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:35 pm | #
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From my uncle:
Dude, I don't watch much college football and I see you guys complaining about the officiating in ND games but I have to say the officiating in this game was a totally one sided, that last call of a fumble was WRONG
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:35 pm | #
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Big Mike; me too, the kid from Elizabeth, to Pitt, had two great runs.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:36 pm | #
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Are you kidding? Did you guys pay attention to the game? We didn't lose because of any BS call. We lost because only Golden Tate showed up for the game, and he got there in the 4th quarter.
cut the cord, do it now, while we still have time for the new guy (Brian Kelly!!!) to talk to Golden and Jimmy and convince them to even think about staying. And honestly, I'd rather see Golden stay than Jimmy.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:36 pm | #
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PAUL JOHNSON!!!
Red Mahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:36 pm | #
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how many times we going to blame the refs?????? did they give up 27 points? they got most of the calls right.
that was a fumble at the end, and it didn't even matter
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:37 pm | #
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lost boy...ironically it was the same with Willingham and the BE refs
I guess they really don't want us to take a bowl game from them
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:37 pm | #
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If they don't want to stay, say good-bye.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:37 pm | #
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Sheeshus, I didn't get a single number on the lottery.
friggin refs are out to screw me
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:37 pm | #
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Amen Nate, Amen.
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:37 pm | #
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no excuses!
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:37 pm | #
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Jim, I was sacked for 4 years by the Singleton twins, Parsippany High School.
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:38 pm | #
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"15 yard forward fumble" -- This goes in to our Big East Reffing Hall of Fame.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:38 pm | #
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Trevor,
Fumbles don't fly 15 effing yards at a 0 degree angle to the QB's throwing arm, which was following thru.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:38 pm | #
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Nate, I totally agree. Same thing as Navy. Navy was not a close game. We got a last second touchdown when the defense was untying their cleats.
These are not close losses. We got our asses handed to us.
I love Weis' contribution to our program. Think he is overall, a good guy. But he needs to be told (sooner, rather than later) to get his affairs in order and move on.
Recruits or Jimmy or Golden might be lost, but in the grand scheme of things, we will be much better off.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:38 pm | #
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Paul johnson, would get results, so would Kelly, and Harbaugh at the Tree.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:38 pm | #
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im still hoping that Weis hires a new HC and puts himself as the QB coach
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:39 pm | #
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Lost Boy...look at it again the ball was loose (moving around) not in clausen's "possession" when his hand moved forward projecting the ball 15 yards
its technical, but breathe settle down, look at it unbiasedly, understand the rule, and you will understand
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the d-lineman had his hand on the ball when clausen's hand went forward = fumble. stop blaming the refs and start blaming the gameplan
corby's | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:39 pm | #
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"WOw...WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW...
but who knows..
willingham had a terrible reffed game against pitt in his last year
was that prophetic????!!!???"
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:39 pm | #
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I'm collecting for the "Kelly for Coach fund".
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:39 pm | #
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Bowl game? Are you kidding me?
tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:40 pm | #
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Trevor, I don't believe it was a fumble. However, it saved us from a horrible 4th down play. Honestly, in hindsight, it was better to know the game was over one play earlier.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:40 pm | #
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Bring Kelly in as OC and turn program over to him after 2010.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:40 pm | #
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And OH BY THE WAY, no, Weis does NOT get credit for Golden making the punt return to get it close, or for him fighting 5 guys on his back to get into the end zone. He didn't draw those up on a chalk board. Gimme 11 Golden Tates and I could coach us to 9-3 using plays from my playstation.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:40 pm | #
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Not me, the Smift girls from Elizabeth, thomas Jefferson, do you know Bill Hand? Major League pitcher, circa mid 70's
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:40 pm | #
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I didn't know the rule was you had to have a very tight grip on the ball when you throw it forward...
Joel | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:40 pm | #
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There is no way Paul Johnson would want to coach at this school....
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:41 pm | #
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i hope a reporter has the guts to actually ask Charlie 3 questions.
1. What was the record of the irish for Ty when you said it was unacceptable?
2.Do you think your overall win percentage that is equal to Ty's is acceptable?
3. What is the title of your book?
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:41 pm | #
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Maybe ND will be playing in my hometown for the Independence Bowl. I'll be in town then. HAHAHA
me | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:41 pm | #
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how bout just a grip Joel?
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:41 pm | #
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Paul johnson, would get results, so would Kelly, and Harbaugh at the Tree.
jim masterson
The only time I have agreed with jm's entire post.
enuff z nuff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:41 pm | #
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anybody wonder what golden, floyd, allen, and rudolph would do in a spread?
I think Crist might be able to run it...
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:41 pm | #
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ND really needs to move on. This is getting painful. The program suffers each year with Weis on the perpetual hot seat. It's not going anywhere. Weis improved the program, but can't get them over the hump.
It's similar to what Zook can do. He'll recruit like on other. Stockpile talent. Overachieve initially and then continually disappoint you each year after.
Jeff | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
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At least this loss (& impending Stanford blowout & probably UConn loss) will officially end the Weis era.
I think it unofficially ended in 2007 (puke).
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
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hahahahah.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
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Good bye to Charlie.... pathetic "scheme"
Athletes tried to keep him in it... but just can't put yourself in the hands of the refs...
But that clearly was not a fumble...and if it was.. how do you award it to the other team when the whistle has clearly blown... this is two weeks in a row... can someone explain that to me... I guess we should keep fighting for a ball after the whistle blows.. huh????????
jmc | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
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Just finished off the last of the whiskey.
Feel a little better. Need to start soon with something else.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
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The only reason you even had a chance to mount a comeback was because we were down to our third corner on the one side - and that didn't happen til late in the game. Soon as that happens, you begin to murder us.
So congrats, you're better than our third team.
PS. I hope all this "ref" whining gives the admin an excuse to re-up charlie for 10 more years...this is your best "almost" win in a while...
Stuart | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
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to me, the stat that ND has a 52% td rate in goal to go situations is the most damning evidence that our coaching staff sucks from head to toe
that is f*cking ridiculous
Red Mahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
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Odds of this BE crew working next week??
onehipdad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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we'll got a bowl. that's about all we have left at this point
flanner fighting 6th | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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Nate, plays from your playstation are better than what Chuck has been bringing to the table. And here I thought ND would be 10-2 this year back in Sept. What was I smoking?
Big Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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Where was the outrage from the coaches and players on that call? Charlie Weis is obviously a defeated man.
I hate to say it, but if ND is to lose to Stanford, I hope it's a blowout, so we will go after Jim Harbaugh. I loved him going for 2 to get to 50 against USC today. Plus, having a Michigan guy rub it in as the Wolverines flounder under Rodriguez would be great. Oh yeah, and his team is actually physically tough.
Bowe | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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Hey -- whistles don't count until we say they count!
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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Question:
If it is a fumble, how does Pitt get the ball? Two referees immediately were signalling incomplete, and the whistle blew prior to anybody touching it.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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no more ref whining...they had absolutely nothing to do with this loss
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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Paul Johnson would get Golden to stay, since Golden would play QB. I'm not a fan of that offense coming to ND, and I doubt Johnson would want to come-he's already got a BCS gig, will likely take it to the BCS this year, why leave? But it would be interesting to see Golden lining up in the Navy offense.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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I'm not sure how the college and NFL differ, but in the NFL if you're touching the ball with your hand coming forward, it's a pass. That's obviously the case unless the defender punched the ball 15 yards.
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It's very bad when a loathsome creep like Musberger feels sorry for us.
There's no guarantee we even get the first down after the "fumble," but it's galling for the replay official to blow the call.
It's very bad when we score 19 in the fourth quarter and still lose.
When Weis has talented, skilled players, he can run a very good offense. Had he brought in Verducci and Alford a year or two earlier, we might now have a good running game.
In five years, Weis has never demonstrated the ability or capacity to build a half-decent defense, on his own, or through the hiring of a defensive coordinator. That should, and I think will, cost him his job.
Pity.
DJ | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:43 pm | #
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Whistles are just guidelines -- just like the Pirate Code.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:44 pm | #
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It's always nice to change. It's brings hope, not 0bama silly type hope, but a real awakening. Let's hope Swarbrick, earns his keep.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:44 pm | #
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Mark May was wrong!
He said ND would lose by 4 TDs.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:44 pm | #
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Weis is 1-2 against Pitt and almost everyone else who is a rival. Send him home for holidays for good. Interview Paul Johnson, Kelly, Harbaugh and even that Jags ex-BC guy with the leather BC jacket.
Gold Wave | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:44 pm | #
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With his Indy connection... how about Dungy????
jmc | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:45 pm | #
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Hey Stephen, I think it was the bullshit calls that caused ND's demise!!! Dickless....
ndguy | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:45 pm | #
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we only scored 12 in the 4th buddy.....we let the 3rd quarter run out before qb sneaking it to start the 4th..
dont pervert stats when you know the truth
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:45 pm | #
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Mike, I explain it again:
The ruling on the field was incomplete,
the replay confirmed the ruling on the field,
therefore it's a fumble.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:45 pm | #
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Another embarrassing loss. Maybe the next decade.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:46 pm | #
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"Jesus H. Christ, missed XP, Wanny'll calm down"
What does the H. stand for? My golfing buddies need to know
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:46 pm | #
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I fear our conference is going to issue a correction later in the week and say it was an incomplete pass.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:47 pm | #
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Really, Kelly over Gruden? Why hasn't anyone mentioned Gruden. There's no guarentee Kelly will go anywhere anyway.
Blah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:47 pm | #
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Prediction:
ND will lose to Conn and Stanford.
Here I thought ND was the stanford of the east.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:47 pm | #
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ND should have beaten every team on this schedule by 2 td's.
It's pitiful the job CW has done. 3-9? 3&friggen9?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:47 pm | #
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My question about our future coach is how many will use us as a stepping stone to get into the NFL? I'm tired of the five year rotation.
Joel | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:48 pm | #
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sheesh, everyone knows the H stands for Hesburgh.
Homeydogg | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:48 pm | #
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Dubious call, but you can't wait (AGAIN) to start the party until the second half.......I don't know what to say. Wait, yes I do:
We are an 8-4. 7-5, middle of the road football program. And until I see it changing on both sides of the line, that's the way it will always be.
Sorry me, I have no idea what you think better is coming along...
mikes1160 | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:48 pm | #
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It's so sad watching all this potential go to waste.
Except, you know, for Golden Tate.
It'd be great if the team would start showing up for the first half again. At this point that is perhaps all I can hope for.
....damn. I can't believe I watched that game sober.
LT | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:48 pm | #
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ND will beat Stanford.
Stanford is really tired from running up and down the field scoring all of those points on USC
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:48 pm | #
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Gruden is an obnoxious asshat, also a Dayton grad, as was Jerry Faust.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:48 pm | #
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kelly would be stupid not to take this gig....
you come here make WAY more money..and if you dont succeed, you are already set for life, and will probably be picked up by espn for play by play or hired by some other desperate program
sdirish | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:49 pm | #
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3 coaches after Holtz and all the same result.
Next coach please. I feel sorry for that guy.
Let's move down one div.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:49 pm | #
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Because Gruden sucks, and showed it in Tampa Bay. Kelly has made CINCINATTI into a BCS Bowl team. No more "NFL" coaches--get someone who knows how to coach the college game.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:49 pm | #
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LOL WeisDad! Let's hope they stay tired for 2 weeks!
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:49 pm | #
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schematic advantage = fail
corby's | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:50 pm | #
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I think the review was crap, but Weis deserved it for calling a timeout with the clock stopped. Punt or go for it, just do it.
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:50 pm | #
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Looks like we have to sit thru another 3-9 season next year to rebuild.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:50 pm | #
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Why come to ND to coach? It will shorten your lifespan tremendously. You wear a target on your back all of the time. Everyone second-guesses you.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:51 pm | #
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q...h?
v=Q8Tiz6INF7I
Put the Billboard back up | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:51 pm | #
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Nate, I would take Paul Johnson's offense any day. Everyone knows what he is doing and he rams it down their throats anyway...like Holtz' teams.
Screw this cutesy wildcat bullshit and the Jimmy Clausen "heave and leap"...who cares if a guy throws for 400 yards if the team comes to a dead stop if the ball gets inside the 10?
Red Mahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:51 pm | #
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Obediah,
He called a timeout to set up a fourth down play.
If the referees then decide that you don't get a fourth down play, how do you not get the time out back?!!
Dome Sweet Dome | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:51 pm | #
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Nah ST, a good coach, one who can teach, will be 13-0
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:52 pm | #
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Why come to ND to coach? It will shorten your lifespan tremendously. You wear a target on your back all of the time. Everyone second-guesses you.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:51 pm | #
You can laugh to the bank.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:52 pm | #
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Well tonight's game reminded me that there is at least one more run in the ladder of ND's descent after the announcement of next year's schedule. Wait until Swarbrick decides that what's really missing from ND football is a little 80s rock pumped through the PA. *barf*
obediah | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:52 pm | #
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God I am so tired of underachieving. Weis needs to go immediately after the regular season.
BigE | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:52 pm | #
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This game could be called Crap Happens, the Sequel.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:53 pm | #
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As if coaching at any other big program (OU, Tex, Florida, USC) is any easier...
Come on, people, Any coach worth his salt wants to succeed on the biggest stage. Quit making it out like ND can't get a decent coach--it just HASN'T. Weis debunked the recruiting myth--now we need a coach to debunk the "can't win" myth.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:53 pm | #
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agreed Jim, CW has shown that he just can't take these guys to the next level.... has to rely on what their HS coaches have taught them and expects to just plug them in
corby's | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:53 pm | #
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Fire him now. Get it over with. We will be 7-5 or 6-6. That is not improvement, and our players are poorly coached. D can't tackle, O-line can't block, and we abandoned the running game. We need a new leader. Fire Weis, corwin to coach the last two games and then can him too, decline the bowl game because we'll be embarrassed, and hire someone else (Kelly, M Stoops, Patterson, Shanahan) to keep the recruits together. We might then have a chance in 2010.
WyoMike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:54 pm | #
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I believed in Ty the first year. I believed in CW after the 1st year. No more until until the third year.
Navy, really? Pitt really? Conn really?
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:55 pm | #
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It weis's play calling. Allen was running well and he goes away from it even before the team was down. Going with what the defense gives, gives you no rhythm, and NOTHING. The offense does well when it has to take the game to the other team, when its already losing. He just really doesn't know what he is doing.
Plus..This is getting embarassing. And Golden Tate is my hero. Plain and Simple HERO!
justsadforplayers | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:55 pm | #
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"This game could be called Crap Happens, the Sequel."
You mean part 25?
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:56 pm | #
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I can't even IMAGINE the atmosphere at the Stadium next week.
Can you even imagine what would happen if UConn wins?
Oh, yeah...SYRACUSE.
Been there, done that.
It's over. This is American Tanks firing at the building that Baghdad Bob was giving the press conference in as he said "There are NO American Tanks in Baghdad!" ...and the building shakes with another explosion.
He is DONE.
Put the Billboard back up | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:56 pm | #
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Please don't fire Charlie, we need to stay in business
Ruth's Chris Mishawaka | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:57 pm | #
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WyoMike is my hero.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:57 pm | #
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It has gotten so bad, I am not nearly as upset as I normally am. I am used to the stupid mistakes just when we are getting momentum. How many times have we stopped ourselves with penalties this year?
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Rhythm is fine until a ref disrupts it. Example - Tate makes great run down sideline as that drive is rolling along. Pitt on its heals. Time to call for a review to see if Tate is in bounds on e the run. Kills the momentum.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:57 pm | #
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Swarbrick better be on the phone with Kelly, Patterson, Gruden (even though I don't like him), and anyone else who will listen.
Now! RIGHT NOW!! Start with Kelly and move down the list.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:58 pm | #
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Ruth's Chris: Winner Winner Chicken Fried Steak Dinner!
Put the Billboard back up | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:58 pm | #
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Embarrassing! Embarrassing! Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing Embarrassing
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:58 pm | #
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Please, no more billboards....
I think Charlie likes Bojangles better.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.14.09 - 11:59 pm | #
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Did I miss the interview when Brian Kelly said he was interested in ND?
How the hell did his name get brought up anyway?
VicPaul | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:00 am | #
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How about Mushmouth bringing up Gruden's name when the game was a blowout? Lobbying for the co-worker.
Gruden would be a big mistake. Get a college guy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Brian Kelly would come here in a heartbeat.
My guess is, the next coach, no matter who it is, will get concessions from ND's academic standards. Otherwise, we'll never compete for a national championship. Just make sure character is good.
JK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:00 am | #
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mark may has a smirk on his face...punk. lou should go medieval on his ass
motovatin | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:01 am | #
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Academic concessions? How many do you suppose Harbaugh gets?
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:02 am | #
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Be very careful before you contact Gruden -- look VERY closely at his past.
BTW, has Gruden ever coached college ball?
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:02 am | #
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Gruden -- college ball? Anyone, anyone . . . Buehler?
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:03 am | #
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Anyone know the answer to my question????
VicPaul | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:03 am | #
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Way to go lads, way to make that a close game! Go Irish, beat Uconn! IN WEIS WE TRUST!
MoeAaronDadChip | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:03 am | #
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Disappointing game, to state the obvious, but I can't beleive the replay officials called the play at the end a fumble. Clausen's arm was clearly moving forward and the ball went forward. While a coaching change is likely in order, ND needs to evaluate their officiating set-up. They need to get neutral officials for every game. The Big East officials are by no means home officials to them, so basically ND runs a big risk of conference bias in every game. Why not spend a few buck and get Big 12 officials when the play USC and ACC officials when they play Pitt or some simular arrangement. As it was, this call probably sealed the deal for Weis, which might not even be so bad, but if the was an undefeated ND team and had that call go against them. I would be on my way to Pittsburg to discuss the call with the officials myself and likely spend the rest of my life in the Pennsilvania penal system.
pups | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:03 am | #
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This much is clear. While Weis did very well as an assistant coach in the pros, he is embarrassingly incompetent as a head coach at the college level. ND's recruitment of its coaches has been catastrophically bad.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:04 am | #
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I enjoyed watching nearly every minute of Stanford's stomping of the arrogant bastards from the University of Spoiled Children. But up 48-21 in the 4th, Harbaugh went for 2 pt conversion. Enjoyable to watch - but not the guy I'd want at ND.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:04 am | #
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Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Mike and Mike
Bud Grant
Ty Willingham
Bob Davie
Skip and Lou
Denny Green
Brian Billick
Pete Carroll
Steve Spurrier
Tom Cross
Jesus Christ
Mike Aurich
Bill Calahan
Don Shula
Mike Shula
Charlie Junior
Bill Belichick
Tony Dungy
Bill Cowher
Tom Osborne
Jimmy Johnson
Jerome Bettis
John Madden
Lorne Michales
John Travolta
Jesus Christ
Barack Obama
Goldie Hawn - Wildcats
Densel Washington
Jack Swarbrick
Houston Nutt
Al Gore
George W. Bush
Doug Collins
Tom Kelly
Adam Sandler
Burt Reynolds
Al Pacino - that one inch
Gene Hackman
t | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:05 am | #
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Maybe their kicker was tired...
Joel | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:05 am | #
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like herbstret said after the game this loss just makes it worse for charlie there will be even more questions. if that is possible.
sometimes I wish he would resign for his own good. Im sure its taking its toll on him and his family...seriously as we know from the past its not good for your health to be the ND coach. If not for us charlie do it for yourself and your family
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:05 am | #
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I don't have time to explain it all but this loss should be hung on Ty, the refs, and the D-coaches and the O-line coach. The only one spotless in all this is Chuck, lets give him another five year extension with a retroactive pay raise.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:06 am | #
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Yeah, it was the refs. They're killing you this year.
Maybe you didn't notice this - points before our starting DB went down: 3.
Points after: 19.
Stuart | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:06 am | #
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t -
You forgot Ara Parseghian, who at 86 would do a better job.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:07 am | #
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Clausen, Floyd: Please leave.
Tate: You are the only one that plays w/ heart.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:07 am | #
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Did anyone else get the feeling that Musberger was over-the-top trying to force Gruden down our throats? It just seemed like he kept mentioning Gruden a lot.
Maybe I was just hearing it in my head. You know, kind of like you hear noises in echoing inside your head when you wake up from a nightmare?
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:07 am | #
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Stuart ur team beat a very poor Irish team. Go the fuck away
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:07 am | #
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Hey Stuart -- thanks for noticing us. And we appreciate the big check you sent!
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:07 am | #
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Right on Jake. 4 of our last 5 coaches include Faust (high school coach), Davie (good coordinator, but no one wants him as their head coach), Willingham (a 4th year for him gets you 0-12, see Washington), and Weis (no need to rehash). Oh, and the O'Leary fiasco. Who the hell runs these coaching searches?
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:07 am | #
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Awesome, he did win the spring game a year or to ago. Just friggin frustrated.
t | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:08 am | #
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Not That Tom, the liquor was kicking in and you had to bring him up (TW). Man, that was a low blow.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:08 am | #
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t,
You forgot Ace Ventura: "Allrighty then ..."
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:08 am | #
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http://www.uhnd.com/blog/notre-d...n-with-numbers/
http://weisnd.blogspot.com/2009/...ss-to-
navy.html
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VicPaul, the answer is blowing in the wind, my friend. 42
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:08 am | #
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Yeah, and he beat Lou, who is also available. Putting Holtz on the sidelines would get him away from Mark may.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:09 am | #
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I think you mean Jesse "The body/mind" Ventura! Gruden goes to ND, then Musburger gets to MNF... Conspiracy?
t | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:10 am | #
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VicPaul: see the links I posted. Kelly has been mentioned as a possible coach since last year. If you don't see why, you haven't been paying attention. Cincinatti is #4 in the BCS, and is likely going to a 2nd BCS game in 2 years. They've won 10 games each of the last 3 years.
AT CINCINATTI.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:10 am | #
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I stopped watching sports for the night. What did Lou say about the Pitt game?
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:11 am | #
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I don't think Lou said anything, Weis' dad. I think he just puked.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:12 am | #
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I'll take Gene Hackman as coach-that'd be awesome.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:12 am | #
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Or Al Pacino.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:13 am | #
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Gene Hackman, the Replacements. Lou just resigned from ESPN. Mark May has put his name in at ND and MNF.
t | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:13 am | #
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Tom Cruise can coach ND better than CW.
Did you ever see Wildcats?
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:13 am | #
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Stuart,
If we kept CW, you would have ND to kick around in continued mediocrity. This was a Pyrrhic victory for you.
Enjoy beating a more talented, but grossly underdeveloped and undercoached team - it will end after this season.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:14 am | #
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Cruise was All the Right Moves.
t | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:14 am | #
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Nate, I understand why, but I've never heard Brian Kelly say, "I want to go to Notre Dame". You all might as well say Pete Carroll for the new head coach.
VicPaul | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:14 am | #
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wasnt goldie hawn the coach in wildcats? she has the right name to coach us anyway.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:15 am | #
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Between not running Allen
more (was he hurt???)...
A poor offensive game plan
that left the D on the field
too long...
HORRIBLE O-line play in terms
of penalties and Pitt getting
pressure on Clausen so easily...
And last, but probably least,
really bad officiating...
We lost AGAIN!!!!!!!
I love our guys, but I don't know
if I can bring myself to watch
the next two games, it's too
painful for me to see our university
be so bad... it's not good for my health, it won't do anything for the players, and God knows Charlie is beyond all help at this point.
Ever since the UM game this season has just been one big awful numb feeling of awfulness.
wkurtz94 | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:15 am | #
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Goldie Hawn was Wildcats.
t | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:15 am | #
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Goldie Hawn coaching Golden Tate...
(Mind exploding....)
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:15 am | #
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Lou just said he was disappointed in the way ND played and that Pittsburgh was the better team. He was uncharacteristically subdued. Most amazing of all: Mark May didn't gloat.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:16 am | #
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Ok, well I'll watch the last two games but I fear none of us are going to like them. :(
GO Irish, Beat Huskies!
wkurtz94 | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:17 am | #
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I think Tom Cruise could be the OC.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:17 am | #
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I understand it now, Chuck is doing his part as loyal alum and making this season so bad that whomever is hired will look good.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:17 am | #
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VicPaul, I've read several places that he's very interested in the job. There are Cinci blogs that are considering it a fait accompli and already talking about who they will get to replace him.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:17 am | #
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charlie is not the healthiest guy in the world. he must be a physical & emotional wreck. i feel bad for the guy. i really do
brian custer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:18 am | #
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Holtz has to pick Conn. It was a deal he made with May this morning.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:18 am | #
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Watch the games....for Tate. I think he will leave whether Charlie does or not. Enjoy the Show!
justsadforplayers | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:18 am | #
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I'd leave too. ND will have a worse offensive line next year.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:19 am | #
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Brian, yes, Charlie has given his all for ND, including both knees. In these tough times a little consideration would be good for the soul. It is the thing of the devout.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:20 am | #
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Nate- Never read those but I will take it if it comes to that. Man I wish it didn't have to come to this. I really wanted Charlie to do well.
VicPaul | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:21 am | #
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brian,
CW gets $10+ M to buy hankies to dry his cryin' eyes. Why feel sorry for him and not the athletes that should go to the NFL but won't due to sub-standard coaching/development?
Heck, I'd settle for just $1 Mil.
ThE LoSt BoY | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:21 am | #
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Im watching Private Ryan on the tube, it is on free TV locally, and if that does not give you proper perspective, I do not know what will...
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:21 am | #
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Weis' Dad, are you saying we should shoot Chuck and keep running uphill?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:22 am | #
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Dad, We really should feel bad for Weis. All that hard effort, and he only gets compensated with money. Lots of money. Maybe he should take some time off from us ingrates who expect him to win football games.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:23 am | #
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We didn't get it going until the 3rd string corners came in. Better team won. Drink a glass of water before you go to bed. I don't know if I can keep watching these games if the defense doesn't play to ground. Embarrassing to see one corner hanging on a receiver and the rest of the secondary jogging to the scene like the job is done. Jimmy is a player, and he done his duty. Golden, what can one say?
'It is no evil for things to undergo change, and no good for things to exist as a consequence of change' - Marcus Aurelius
indy | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:23 am | #
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Weis's teams so often seem flat and lifeless. Then, when they're in desperation mode, they play with fire. They scramble and they score. But there is no consistency of effort, no consistency of result. Weis has no passion. It shows in his inability to motivate or inspire the team. He's a terrible head coach.
jaike | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:24 am | #
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Dad - know what you mean - several funerals here for Ft. Hood victims. Football is just a game.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:24 am | #
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Yes, it's very bitter for Weis. Recall when he first got the job; he mentioned coaching until Charlie Jr graduated from ND, and then retiring to South Carolina and the beach. But he does well at first, and forms some real ties to the community. He builds the housing complex for Hannah and Friends where his daughter will probably live for the rest of her life. Now I can see Weis living like Ara: winters in sunny climes, spring through fall in South Bend.
Except Ara is a Notre Dame Legend, and Weis has failed. You'd have to be inhuman not to feel for him.
DJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:25 am | #
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Whew! Well I guess this means I don't have to spend my entire Saturdays fretting the Irish.
The worry is over, boys! We suck.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:25 am | #
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just put a human face on it that's all
brian custer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:25 am | #
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Just something I couldn't help notice...When Charlie was interviewed at the end, you could tell he's lost himself, you could see it on his face. If you needed one more piece of evidence that he has lost the team for the year, there you go.
justsadforplayers | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:26 am | #
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Charlie gave us something to hope for. He did gives us his all. I pray he gets a job in the NFL and succeeds again. He bleeds ND and I know he is crushed along with his family. It sucks too. We were so close to winning all those games. We'll miss his gusty effort and bravado. I know his team loves him.
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:26 am | #
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Chuck is that incompetent guy at work who gives it his best effort but he can't help himself and screws up everything he touches. Its easy to feel for the guy, and hard to fire him but everyone else feels so much better once he is gone.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:28 am | #
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I'm afraid we may be stuck with Charlie for at least another year, as there are no clearcut candidates out there. Here's UC's profile of Kelly - interesting:
http://www.gobearcats.com/
sports...ly_brian00.html
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:28 am | #
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people have the right to post whatever they want. but just think twice before we bash one of our own
brian custer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:30 am | #
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No clearcut candidates? I don't understand that comment at all.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:31 am | #
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I think it is something "worse" than incompetent -- it's bad luck. (Worse for a football team.) Every bounce of the ball goes against ND. How many fumbles today for Pitt bounce their way?
Last week - Clausen 12 inches from TD, fumble instead. Perfect pass to Floyd who doesn't turn around.
Perfect call and pass against USC on last play -- oops, receiver slips. Lots of good calls and plays that somehow blow up -- bad luck, just dogged by bad luck.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:33 am | #
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But what are Brian Kelly's views on a woman's right to choose?
Anon | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:34 am | #
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I have to admit I am really unhappy with the outcome of the game tonight.
I finally have come around that a coaching change is inevitable, if possibly one year too early.
This team still makes too many fundamental mistakes. We ran the ball effectively, yet refused to keep at it until Pitt stopped us.
The offense didn't do an improving defense any favors.
I just hope that the powers that be can
1. Keep their ego's in check during the coaching search
2. Do the proper background checks and insure we get the right guy
3. Try not to compromise the ideals of our great university.
I just hope all the decision makers are on the same page. And I fear we are going to see alot of guys using us to get rich at their current schools.
Pray the right guy comes along.
aaronb | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:34 am | #
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Craig T. Nelson of "Coach" fame played Coach Nickerson of the Ampipe Bulldogs in "All The Right Moves.
Just for the record.
Put the Billboard back up | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:34 am | #
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"And I fear we are going to see alot of guys using us to get rich at their current schools."
A very interesting point -- yep, pay me now before I talk with ND.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:35 am | #
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Jon Gruden lost his virginity to the ND fight song.
Is it true he didn't get the job last time, b.c he had an OWI?
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:37 am | #
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brian custer, there's bashing and then there is calling it like it is. Saying we should fire Charlie because of his weight is bashing; saying we should fire him because he hasn't gotten the job done is simply truth.
I like the guy, was a strong supporter right up until the last week. I always held out hope. But we've seen the ceiling for Weis, and he's just not going to get us where we want to go. Pat him on the back, thank him for his service, and show him the door.
And I'm sorry, but trying to say "oh, it's not important, look at Fort Hood" is just silly. Weis is paid a lot of money to do a job that he is failing. Doesn't matter that it's a "game", he's not getting it done. There's absolutely no connection to what happened at Fort Hood, or is going on anywhere else in the world. Bringing that up is a better misdirection than any of Navy's ball-fakes. Does that mean we should not care, let Weis continue to fail, and just be happy that some off-his-rocker MF didn't shoot at us?
For crying out loud, Weis sees more money in a year than I'll make in 20 years in the Army, no matter how many of those I spend tax free because I'm in a warzone. I'm not going to feel "sorry" for him. I wish it worked out. It didn't. Let's move on. He doesn't deserve to keep his job because we feel "sorry" for him.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:38 am | #
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Nate - I mean that none of the names mention so far seem like as logical a fit as Ara and Lou did - our last two really successful coaches.
Both had serious negatives - Ara had no connection to ND and wasn't Catholic, and Lou was a bit of a cracker and just a touch shady (the latter of which was also true in a way of Leahy).
BUT - both had serious fire in their bellies and clearly regarded coaching at ND as a pinnacle. Both really wanted to.
Admittedly devine was a perfect fit who didn't, and Weis really wanted it. But I don't see a logical choice among the names mentioned.
Of them, Kelly looks best to me if unproven at elite level.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:39 am | #
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Well said Nate. You're the most rational person on these here boards.
Anon | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:40 am | #
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thank you for the civil tone towards Charlie in these difficult times
good evening gentlemen (and ladies)
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:40 am | #
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i see your point nate.
brian custer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:40 am | #
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JimK:
Would a 2nd BCS bowl in 2 years convince you that Kelly is "proven" at an elite level?
Come on, man--what do you want? We're not going to steal a coach from a UF, OU, etc. No one's going to prove themselves at an "elite" school only to move to ND. They'll stay making their 4 million and keep winning where they are.
It's much more impressive to me for someone to win at a school like Cinci, with NO advantages. Brian Kelly's done it at every level he's been at. Much like Paul Johnson--and it took way too long for someone to give him a chance.
We either get Kelly now, or we watch him continue to build Cinci into what we want ND to be, OR...heaven forbid...Michigan goes after him once they can RichRod. And then we lose to him for the next 10 years.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:43 am | #
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JimK--
Also forgot: we took Ara from Northwestern. We took Lou from Minnesota. Neither are "elite" programs, not now, not ever. I'll grant that Lou at least had elite experience from coaching Arkansas, etc., but they don't exactly match the point you were trying to make.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:45 am | #
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JimK,
Of our most successful coaches, what coach had success at "elite level"? Certainly, not Lou, Ara or Frank..
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:45 am | #
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"charlie is not the healthiest guy in the world. he must be a physical & emotional wreck. i feel bad for the guy. i really do"
Remember when he started- people were worried he was a queasing heart attack waiting to happen, and wouldn't be able to coach.....
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:47 am | #
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How about Paul Johnson??
Matt T. | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:47 am | #
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No once can deny that comparing Kelly in '09 and Meyer in '04, Kelly looks like the far superior candidate.
Meyer only had 4 years head coaching--and not at an elite level. Not even in a BCS conference.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:48 am | #
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Nate -- you're missing the point. Alums I know are nearly suicidal over this season. (I can't judge anyone on this board as I don't them.)
They make the season sound like the end of the world. It isn't. If they would just put things in perspective about what is tragic and what isn't.
The funerals here this week were tragic. The game was very unfortunate, very sad,etc. It was not tragic.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:50 am | #
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Kelly '09 > Meyer '04
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:52 am | #
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BE Ref you are just digging yourself a deeper hole, think about where Nate is right now.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:52 am | #
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What did the third string corner have to do with Tate's punt return?
melrose | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:53 am | #
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Wow, I just looked at Cincinnati's recruiting numbers before and after the Kelly hire. Night and day. We're talking 100's up to mid-40s.
Imagine what he could do at a school that sells itself...
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:53 am | #
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BE, I agree completely they were tragic. It's completely off topic, but if you want my feelings on it, I'll share--seeing that hits those of us over here in Afghanistan in a way that goes beyond personal. However, you can't say "see, there are worse things in life" and expect people to go "okay, you're right, we shouldn't care about ND football or coaching or whatever". The two have absolutely no connection. I could walk out the gate here and get blown up by an IED--doesn't mean I don't have any reason to care about ND football.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:53 am | #
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"We ran the ball effectively, yet refused to keep at it until Pitt stopped us."
Uh, yeah...less than 50 yds and a 2.X average...killing them.
How about you got down 3 scores and realized Pitt's 3rd string DB was out there...too bad pitt didn't play their 3rd string the whole game. Or if the game was longer so you had more time to play against the third team...but that must be the refs fault for ending the game at 60 minutes.
Stuart | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:53 am | #
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I like Nate.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:54 am | #
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Ara's success and the prime reason for Krause wanting him was that he beat us 4 times in a row and took hapless NW and made them respectable. Ditto lou at Minnesota after reviving to a degree Arkansas.
Please do not misunderstand my comment. I've never been a fan of the weis hire and always thought - even after Faust - that we should steal a march on the Indianas and NUs and UMs and hire a promising up and comer from a mid-major like Miami, O or Cincy or the like.
Kelly might work if interested and he has that kind of pedigree. And I'd rather see that than a raid on a major program - for which there would be little motivation and no excuse to come to ND - we'd look even more mercenary than we did in going after Meyer - though that was the kind of hire at that point that I'm talking about.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:54 am | #
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Not that Tom - your point is meaningless. I know where Nate and mnay of my buddies are. They know tragedy everyday. My buddy has had his interpreter get his llegs blown off by an IED -- that's a tragedy. I love ND football, but a loss is not a tragedy. Upsetting yes, not tragic.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:55 am | #
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I'm not really afraid of who the coach will or if they will be the next world beater. I have NO doubt that one of any number of solid but maybe not spectacular coaches in FBS could do what Charlie is not.
I am sure we would tackle better, run better, have solid defense, etc. Just be more technically sound and use the talent wisely.
I mean who on the schedule this year is truly an elite team. Not one team. Pitt looked horrible, certainly nothing unusual, they are just having a good year. USC kinda blows and is totally beatable. Michigan is a joke. I could go on as you all could.
What is so different from our schedule than anyones. Charlie is losing to bad teams across the board. I am sure there is a coach out there who can win the games they should and sometimes the ones they shouldn't.
Skip Holtz, isn't the answer, but do any of you have any doubt his ND team, say next year for example, would be so sloppy, confused or weak looking. I don't. Charlie is just not good at this, Something is really not connecting for him in the college game.
justsadforplayers | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:56 am | #
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BE I think Nate has far more gravitas in that regard than you do. In fact I think it is pretty low of you to bring up the Hood tragedy as a way to take the heat of Chuck and his inability to coach.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:57 am | #
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"ND - we'd look even more mercenary than we did in going after Meyer - though that was the kind of hire at that point that I'm talking about."
JimK, Meyer was far from "elite" in '04. Utah = Elite???? Are you kidding me? Yes, Meyer had ND ties and an out clause. But please don't call Meyer in '04 "elite"
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:57 am | #
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This is not meant as an excuse, just a simple question:
If before the season, someone told you ND would have Tate, Rudolph, and Floyd (Nevada) playing together for only one COMPLETE game, that Allen would miss three games and Clausen would play semi-injured for 9 games, what would you have said ND's record would be? Winning every game by two TDs?
pangborn | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:57 am | #
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Why does 5 years seem like 10?
Son of Sonny Sixkiller | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:58 am | #
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Pac-man dominated Cotto. Fight stopped in the 12th rd.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:58 am | #
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Jim you thinking Pac-Man might have enough fight in him to coach ND?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:59 am | #
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Pangborn,
Drops from 11-1 to 9-3. Season isn't over yet.
Does anyone realize that Pitt is the best team we'll play all year? I just realized that.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:59 am | #
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Fort Hood, Afghanistan, doesn't matter. This is an ND football discussion blog, and we're talking about the game. Of course no one should be suicidal about the game, but come on, we're fans--we discuss. Sure there are more important things in this world--however, there are other places to focus on that. I come here partially to get away from it.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:00 am | #
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"Kelly" is Chip Kelly, right?
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:01 am | #
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Not that Tom - you don't know my line of work, so i wouldn't go there.
You are so clueless. This is NOT an effort to take the heat off of Weis, it is an effort to see some perspective about sports. About life.
It isn't low to mention Ft. Hood, why don't you come to some of the funerals and tell me a football game matters as much?
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:01 am | #
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For the record I would take the Kelley one coaching Oregon if he wanted the job.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:02 am | #
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for those who ask, "who would want to take the head coaching job at notre dame?", i'd ask, who would want to be president of the united states? the job is stressful, your approval rating only goes down, and people criticize your every move.
but..
you have the chance to be a success. a chance to build a legacy. if you succeed, you are a legend. oh, and you make a crapload of money. i know there are coaches out there that will want that. notre dame has had decades of down years, but it is constantly at the top of every conversation.
the cupboards are stocked. who is the best person for the job? c'mon, let's not screw this hire up.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:03 am | #
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That would be Chip, Not that Tom
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:03 am | #
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BE Ref, your point is made--there are bigger things out there. This isn't the board for those things. Let's bring it back to football.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:03 am | #
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OK, Nate, enough said. It was a rough week for some of the guys I work with, and with Veterans Day on Wednesday very poignant. A lot to put in perspective that day. Sorry, I am getting so steamed about this.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:03 am | #
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I never said it mattered as much, I am saying it doesn't mean that we should stop discussing thing that matter less. If you want to discuss Hood go to one of the many boards that discuss such issues. Just don't use Hood as a reason to say we shouldn't think Chuck's coaching is also a tragedy, no matter how unimportant it might be.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:04 am | #
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Can someone explain why you want coaches from schools who take juco transfers, graduate 50% or less of their players and routinely red shirt. If you step back and analyze the situation from that perspective, aren't the two best candidates Paul Johnson and Cutliffe from Duke?
arlington | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:05 am | #
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Ashley, we are usually talking about the Kelley at Cinn.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:05 am | #
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Then I'm on board with Brian.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:08 am | #
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BE Ref, trust me, I get it. I watch UAV feeds all day and see our guys get shot at. I spend the last week working on getting support to find the one missing guy we have out there still from this past week. I read about Fort Hood and it destroys me that one complete F*** can do that--we have enough to deal with being over here and in Iraq, we don't need people like that shooting at us when we're at home. I'll save my opinions of the guy who did it, because this isn't the place, but let's just say any sympathy for him is ludicrous. 1000's of US soldiers deploy, many of them Muslim, and yet they don't feel the need to open fire in their own bases. It's sickening, and yes, a much more important thing than any football game. That said, this is the place to discuss ND football. No one should be suicidal, it's not the end of the world, but it should darn well be the end of Charlie Weis.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:08 am | #
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i just want a coach who has a long line of success at the college level.
not a roll of dice that gruden is the next pete carroll.
not a coach who was fired at any point in his career.
a coach who has had consistent success, coaches his teams to play above their skill level, and has preferably won championships.
to me, i think we try for stoops, then go for kelly, patterson, etc.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:08 am | #
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Ashley R - You miss my point. A highly successful coach at a mid-major is/was the right hire. "Unproveb at the elite level" was an observation. My main point re Lou and Ara:
"both had serious fire in their bellies and clearly regarded coaching at ND as a pinnacle. Both really wanted to."
Holtz had an escape clause in his contract at Minn if the ND job came open. Ara called Krause when that job opened up. That's the guy we need.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:09 am | #
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Please. I just threw up in my mouth when you mentioned Cutcliffe.
He was SO stellar at Mississippi. Let's hope we don't ever schedule Richmond, so that they can make us look bad at home.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:09 am | #
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Ashley, we are talking about Brian Kelley the coach at cincy
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:10 am | #
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Arlington:
"Seven: The number of Div I-A football programs to post a 90% graduation rate in 2008, two of which were Notre Dame and the University of Cincinnati. (The Div I-A average is 55%.)
#1: The Cincinnati Bearcats standing in the Big East Team Academic Excellence Award, signifying the highest collective GPA among the leagues football squads
#4: The Bearcats overall academic ranking among the 2008 BCS final Top 25 based on the teams most recent federal graduation rates, the gap between the teams graduation rates and the overall schools graduation rates, and the gap between the teams black-white player graduation rates disparity and the overall schools disparity. (Alabama was ranked 15th, Oklahoma was ranked 20th, Florida was ranked 21st, Texas was ranked 24th.)"
http://www.uhnd.com/blog/notre-d...n-with-numbers/
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:10 am | #
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You are all describing Paul Johnson... ideal man for the job!
Matt T. | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:10 am | #
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Well, I missed the whole thread because I had to be on the road. From what I've had time to read, it looks more like the "unanimity" of which BGS spoke last week. Strange to get people conceding Weis' tenure after a loss to a highly ranked Pitt team as opposed to after a loss to unranked Navy. Anyway, I'm still right that ND can play within a TD of anyone. Whoopee!
Just to be clear, I have not given up hope for a Gator Bowl bid, something that I consider a decent outcome for an off-year. This should not have been an off-year, but it is. I'd like to see the players keep playing for something, and a chance to beat a decent team in a decent 2nd-tier bowl (vs. 3rd or 4th tier last season) is still progress, regardless of the future of the coaching staff.
Oh, and kudos to Pitt for a game well played. It sounded like their D-line and running game are the real deal.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:10 am | #
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All you guys are missing an obvious one......KIRK FERENTZ.
He turns 3*** players into 4 stars, not 4 star blue chips into 3 like we currently have.
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:10 am | #
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now that was funny
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:12 am | #
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We should never--EVER--look to that vast football wasteland of the ACC for a coach.
I like Paul Johnson and all, but he's coaching against schools in the worst BCS conference in football. You're not going to see Florida or USC or LSU or THEE Ohio State University switching to the triple option any time soon.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:12 am | #
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Stuart,
We did run effectively early in the game. Just never had the wherewithal to stay with it.
I have to say that Brian Kelly seems like the obvious choice at this point. I do worry about his ceiling with the program running the "spread".
Does the fanbase have the patience to allow Kelly to get his spread offensive guys here? Will we see a replay of what Rich Rodriguez is going through implementing his system in Ann Arbor?
He would be a better choice than Paul Johnson IMHO. Triple option at ND will be like Bob Davie's tenure redux.
Whoever the guy is will need some time. And our fanbase has never been known for great patience or overall program building knowledge.
aaronb | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:12 am | #
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At least the ND team on the field tonight was nasty...like that baloney sandwich you left in your desk drawer before going on a 2-week vacation.
Mmmm...nasty.
Since last week the games are much more enjoyable for me. I don't get agita over a close win or even an incomptent bumbling loss. I expect them to play poorly, I expect them to lose. And they continue to fulfill my expectations. I expect that running the Wildcat for a 3-yard loss on 1st down means, heck, run it again! Sweet, now it's 3rd & 16. Time for the weekly series, "Paul Duncan's Guide to Blatant Holding and Matador Pass blocking."
Enough with the whining about the officials. They didn't lose the game. They didn't let Pitt's RBs dance through tackles like Fred Astaire. They didn't give up yet another after another 20+ pass play. They didn't force Jimmy Clausen to run for his life all night.
I honestly believe that ND has some very good players on this team, but they are not well-coached. Silly penalties, a secondary that forgets to look for the ball or the 6ft5 guy running clear in the open, and don't get me started about the punting. You would think with all the game reps ND punters get they would be kicking the air outta the ball.
Sad. I hope ND's new coach next year gets a 2yr contract with a 3rd year option. Enough of one rebuilding decade after another.
c-stone | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:12 am | #
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Since we are off Hood now and back to coaches, I would prefer that we find an up and coming coach that already works with pro style sets. We are not going to start requiring players that can run the spread or triple option. And we aren't going to get defensive players that can play the empty box style of defense.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:12 am | #
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Arlington: Please provide numbers to support that Kelly brought in JUCO's in significant numbers. I've never seen anything that says that. I do know that Meyer wanted to do that, and passed when we said no.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:13 am | #
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matt, i would take paul johnson. our recruiting would take a hit as we wouldn't be pulling skill position players with nfl aspirations.
however, we could deal with that. and that is just my uneducated assessment.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:13 am | #
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JimK, I think Mr. Kelly has fire in his belly. I watched a video of a speech he gave.
He's Catholic and I think he'd be up to the challenge.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:13 am | #
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Nate -my apologies for venting, especially since you are part of that missing man operation. Veteran's Day loomed over this week in ways that I can describe online.
"UAV's" huh, my AF buddies keep reminding me that I am to say "RPVs." I think they have one tailing me just to pick up my comments on them.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:13 am | #
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a coach who has had consistent success - KIRK FERENTZ
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:14 am | #
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Someone once labled Charlie Weis as only worth of being associated with a Rib eating contest.
Anyone know where that comes from
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:15 am | #
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Seriously, we're questioning our ceiling with the "spread"?
Meyer runs the spread, 2 NC's. OU runs the spread, gets to the NC game, BCS games. I question anyone to find a good team NOT running some version of the "spread". The "spread" term is pretty much meaningless anymore. Heck, Weis runs the "spread" in our 5 wide no huddle set, and that's where we have the most success.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:16 am | #
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OOps, "can NOT" instead of not
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:16 am | #
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i want to like ferentz, but i wish he dominated the big televen more than he has. especially with poor showings from 2005-2007.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:18 am | #
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I am exhausted when even my corrections of my previous comments are wrong.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:18 am | #
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BE Ref: More comments than I should probably make online, but yeah. I have my own personal view on UAV's (I hate them), but again, off topic. RPV's, whatever--we trust them like they're prophets, but don't trust people on the ground. (Can you tell I'm a bitter HUMINTer?)
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:18 am | #
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coaches his teams to play above their skill level- KIRK FERENTZ
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:18 am | #
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No reason for Ferentz to ever leave Iowa. He can go 8-4, 7-5 and be considered a legend if every 3 years or so he gets up to 10-2.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:19 am | #
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Please. If there's someone out there WORSE than what we have now, it's Ferentz.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:19 am | #
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6-16: The Big Tens overall bowl record the last three seasons, including a 0-6 mark in BCS bowls.
12-4: The Big Easts overall bowl record the last three seasons, including a 2-1 mark in BCS bowls.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:20 am | #
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Nate -sounds like we need to meet some day and compare notes.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:20 am | #
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Six: The number of starting QBs Brian Kelly has had at Cincinnati in the last two seasons.
10: The number of starters Cincinnati lost off its defense after 2008.
22: The number of seniors Cincinnati lost after 2008.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:20 am | #
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Without any AF folks in the area.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:21 am | #
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Nate
First of all let me say thanks for your service to the country, I was in Desert Storm and I can say ND football was the only thing that kept my mind occupied other then the obvious. I dropped a 2000 lb bomb on my arm and broke it and all I could think about was the phantom clip on the rockets game winning touchdown against colorado. So if this blog takes your mind off the war then Im glad you have it for some relief. Thanks again Nate, I wish ND had more people like you playing football.... mistake free and totally committed to the cause.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:21 am | #
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you are correct nate and still make $3M
Musberger | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:21 am | #
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BE: Any time your in Herat over the next month, let me know. After that, I should be back in Kabul.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:21 am | #
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Here's what we should like best about Brian Kelly that we can't say about Weis: He was smart enough not to have Demetrius Jones start a football game at QB. Much less have him play QB.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:22 am | #
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TJ, wish I was mistake free. I'm just glad I can take some time on Sunday mornings and vent about ND.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:23 am | #
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Why Paul Johnson? because his teams are well coached, well prepared, and his recruiting has been solid #37 and #32 in his two years. Not the greatest numbers but his teams have won unlike ND with great classes the last 3 years... Johnson can teach unlike Charlie.
Matt T. | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:23 am | #
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0.33: The combined average number of college games coached by Gerry Faust, Bob Davie and Charlie Weis when they took the ND job.
196: The combined average number of college football games coached by Ara Parseghian, Dan Devine and Lou Holtz when they took the ND job.
231: The number of games Brian Kelly will have been a college football head coach at the end of the 2009 season.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:24 am | #
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Vent all you want, Kelley is the man for the job, Ive been reading about him all week. I have to say, the one thing about him that is encouraging to me is before we even got to ask him about the job he didnt turn it down. I remember that was a real problem last time. Before we could even ask someone they would say they dont want the job. That was really depressing.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:26 am | #
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Nate/TJ, I just don't understand the hesitation people have with Brian Kelly.
Do you???
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:29 am | #
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I'm all for Brian Kelley if he wants the job.. Paul Johnson is 1A for me.
Matt T. | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:30 am | #
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Ashley: He's not Urban Meyer.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:30 am | #
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Nate,
I do question how our offensive recruiting will be effected by running the spread.
Too many schools in warmer climates are running that offense.
What has helped ND/Weis on the trail is that we are one of the few big time colleges to run an NFL offense. I just don't see us out-recruiting Florida for spread offense talent.
aaronb | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:31 am | #
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Ugh, very busy day ahead, too much on the agnda. Must get a couple hours of sleep.
Nate, and anyone else serving the good old US of A, you're in our prayers.
BE Ref | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:31 am | #
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http://blog.mlive.com/hugeblog/
2...missed_out.html
Son of Sonny Sixkiller | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:31 am | #
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Ashley: Not at all. Read anything about him, his resume screams success.
Unless you want to bring in the abortion thing, which I don't feel has any place in the discussion as long as he agrees to keep his mouth shut, but some people could have an issue with, I suppose...
But are we going to screen every univ employee?
I like Paul Johnson, don't ever want to play any team he coaches, but don't want to run his system at ND. It works--I will NOT denigrate it at all. I just want to pass the ball.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:32 am | #
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Ashley R - If you look waaaay up, you'll see I linked Kelly's bio from the UC site and said that he looked to be the best choice at the moment.
Re the spread: you need skills players like Rice and Rocket to run it effectively, and if this blog is to be believed, they are the kind of marginal academic types whom Holtz could get admitted but that later coaches could not. I have no idea if that is true, but it's been said here.
Stanford today looked like ND of old. Pro sets, split T, power i - and one big lumbering back cranking out scads of yards behind a big Oline that knew how to block. A QB who passed effectively when it was not expected and galloped like a horse over SC. A defense that was not as quick as SC's O but knew how to play contain.
Throughout the broadcast here in SoCal, the homer announcers were commenting on the obvious athleticism of SC's people and the relative lack of it on Stanford. But Stanford just kept hammering. No penalties that I remember, squared up clean tackling, fire and enthusiams start to finish.
Harbaugh is not my idea of an ND coach - but the way that the team from a smallish, academically elite school played today is.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:32 am | #
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Ashley,
There was some heavy discussion about his stance on pro choice, that was on the blog all this week. Its not something that should determine our next coach, I dont think so, but please lets not get into that whole discussion again. He is a great coach and has won at every level starting at Div II. He is a proven winner not a flash in the pan. I think alot of people are not so much against him, they just dont want to have to start over again. But I personally think we are going to have too.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:35 am | #
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I am not sure I care who we hire as our next coach as long as we don't repeat the mistake of giving him a contract extension after a close loss to USC.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:37 am | #
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"Harbaugh is not my idea of an ND coach"
Weis is not my idea of an ND coach. Watch the 2008 Stanford-ND game again and see the fire and passion on one side of the sidelines. By the way, ND gave Pitt a better game in 2008.
Son of Sonny Sixkiller | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:37 am | #
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I don't think any team will reach an elite level with Paul Johnson's system. You'll have what we have now: a team that will range from 3-6 losses each season.
People may be hung up on abortion. Fine with them.
JimK, OK. I get your point.
I have seen some people talk about Peterson at Boise St. which confuses the hell out of me.
Kelly is Numero Uno. If he says No, we're screwed. It means that the job is not desired, which I wouldn't believe.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:39 am | #
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I think Harbaugh has burned too many bridges... not shaking Jimmy's hand after last year's game to coach at ND.
Matt T. | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:39 am | #
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Son, earlier I had mentioned that Harbaugh was up on SC 48-21 in the 4th quarter today and went for 2 pt. conversion. I also mentioned 3 times in the comments above about the fire and passion that Stanford played with. It was the obvious lack of sportsmanship that makes Harbaugh questionable IMHO.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:40 am | #
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Totally agree JimK
Matt T. | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:41 am | #
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AaronB: Well, it's gotten Cinci to #4 in the country.
My thoughts are that the spread is pretty much all over as it is, it doesn't matter. And I read a really good article about Brian Kelly's version--I think I posted it in the previous BGS post comments. He runs spread concept passing, but his run game is mostly straight up power football, not read-option spread stuff. Go to Texas, they're running the same stuff. OU, same. Florida is more read-option spread. I don't think competing for recruits is going to matter based on scheme, because everywhere you go someone is running something similar. Charlie's "pro offense" isn't accurate either--sometimes he runs vertical passing game from a 5-wide spread, other times he's running the wildcat. That's part of our frustration--Charlie can do great things on offense, but is too much of a tinkerer who can't leave well enough alone, so we have no identity.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:41 am | #
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This time we have to offer the right amount. I know its going to cost us a fortune for charlie, but like it has been said before if we dont get kelley, michigan probably will, that would really stink. I hope we have contacted him already.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:42 am | #
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TJ,
Totally agree with your points. He's a winner every where he's gone.
I like Charlie alot, firt time I realized he may not have it was the first loss to Navy two years ago. Then Syracuse. Then last week.
I hope it's an amicable divorce. We really can't continue the way it
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:44 am | #
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http://www.sportingnews.com/
blog...obref=obnetwork
This is the most encouraging thing I've seen all day.
ND in LA | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:45 am | #
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Pitt had a season low 1 penalty against the Irish.
Why am I not surprised.
For a final time:
gotta beat the refs
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:46 am | #
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JimK: "Re the spread: you need skills players like Rice and Rocket to run it effectively, and if this blog is to be believed, they are the kind of marginal academic types whom Holtz could get admitted but that later coaches could not. I have no idea if that is true, but it's been said here."
I realize that you're just repeating what you've seen others post (and for the record, Jay and they guys have not, it's commenters who made those statements), but that is complete and utter crap.
Example #1: Golden Tate.
I still fail to see why dumb kids make better football players. There are plenty of smart, talented players out there. Our restrictions might force us to work a little harder to make sure we get them, but Weis has done so--I give him credit for that.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:47 am | #
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It would be detrimental if we approach him with the We Are ND attitude so you should be happy to get a chance to coach our school.
I think that was part of what happened with Meyer, he wanted a nice salary, but of course he also wanted people who could play but not go to school. Thats when I lost respect for him, he didnt take the high road, he wanted the glory.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:48 am | #
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The Ref's didn't protect Clausen, the refs didn't miss tackles, miss xp's, punt 18 yards, get over it the refs didn't lose ND the game.
Matt T. | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:50 am | #
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http://www.sportingnews.com/coll...t-weis-
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encouragement part 2.
ND in LA | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:50 am | #
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Back to the game itself for a minute:
Congrats, Pittsburgh. Congrats, Wannstache. I still think you lose to Cinci and end up in the Gator Bowl, but you have to give credit to them for a good season. I half expected to win this game, simply because it was Wannstadt coaching against us, and because I didn't really believe Pitt should be Top 10. They may not belong there, we'll see, but they deserve credit for what they've accomplished.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:55 am | #
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To be fair, I think Meyer wanted some recruiting exceptions to be made in order to compensate for the 2 black hole classes Lionel left the next coach with. Seems pretty reasonable to me. There was a reason a lot of coaches didn't want the ND job in 2004.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:56 am | #
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Nate
I think they will squeak out a win against West Virginia and then get their clock cleaned by Cincy. The played us well but we our not cincy, they will take it to him. Making me want Kelley even more.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:59 am | #
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Nate - I felt funny quoting comments the truth of which I have no means to ascertain - but I know you've seen exactly those same comments here over the last few years.
We have proven in good years and Stanford, Navy, BC, and other successful academically distinguished university football programs that smart players are good players and that brains have nothing to do with your time in the 40 yd dash. You can be smart and fast.
If the spread offered a realistic chance for ND to go head to head with the top programs, I'd say fine, make a change, recruit the players. The fact is, however, that in recent years BC and Stanford (relatively + or - our peer institutions) have had what success they have had running the kind of offense that we used to, one that places a higher premium on fundamental blocking schemes and disciplined play over sheer speed and flash.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:59 am | #
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I notice that the players' comments were more in the toe-the-line vein than Ian Williams' from last week.
Clearly Charlie and his staff sent a message last week to either show respect or lose your starting positions.
Well done by the coaches. All that throwing of people under the bus is really beginning to pay off!
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:59 am | #
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ndfootball4ever... Im sure you are right on with that fact. We know the cupboard was empty and it would be hard to respond with no players.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:00 am | #
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TJ Simers and the LA Times, report that PC said to Harbaugh, "what are you thinking."
Harbaugh replied, "what are you thinking."
Plaschke and TJ think he's(Harbaugh)is gone after this year._
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:02 am | #
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JimK: You're making the assumption that a spread offense is by definition not predicated on sound fundamentals, such as blocking. I'd disagree completely. I would also point out that Northwestern, another school with high academics, has turned itself into a consistent bowl team by utilizing the spread.
It doesn't matter what the "scheme" is--spread, pro, triple option, whatever--the fundamentals have to be there. If anything, Weis's tenure should have proven this. And as I said, the "spread" is so common these days, and refers to so many different types of offenses (read option run spread, vertical passing spread, etc) that it's really not even a valid term anymore.
The thing I like about Kelly's offense is that he can plug anyone in and they have success. Pike goes down? No problem--the backup comes in and puts up Heisman numbers. RB goes down? No problem--2nd string comes in and rushes for 150 against WVU. Weis's offense is so personnel based that if Jimmy goes down (or leaves for the NFL), we're screwed and have to start over. I'm convinced Kelly could come in and have Crist or whomever playing at a decent level to win games next year, if Jimmy leaves. And if we forget about the money for a second, I think maybe Jimmy would stay to get exposure to a different offense and increase his experience.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:07 am | #
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We can only hope that Jimmy would stay but if we do forget about the money, that senior year hasnt really panned out for qb's. If he did stay I would be like matt linert and take out a big insurance policy, especially with the line we will have next year. Not that the one this year was really that great.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:11 am | #
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"It doesn't matter what the "scheme" is--spread, pro, triple option, whatever--the fundamentals have to be there. If anything, Weis's tenure should have proven this."
That's the real point, as far as I'm concerned. Everyone as you note uses some "spread" formations, but as an example Stanford's bread and butter offense today was, as I noted, seriously similar to the classic ND offenses, and as I also note earlier above, successful because of execution.
Whoever the next coach is and whatever system he brings in, my guess is that hiring someone who can restore those fundamentals will be a top priority in the hire. I think that the AthlAdmin thought they were getting that in Weis.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:15 am | #
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And if we forget about the money for a second, I think maybe Jimmy would stay to get exposure to a different offense and increase his experience.
In an offense that would be unlike anything he'd be ask to run in the NFL (not the spread, but the speed that Kelly demands his teams play at)? That's not the kind of exposure that is career-enhancing.
(Please do not take that as evidence that I am anti-Kelly; he is an interesting coach with a proven record of success at several levels. He is certainly worthy of strong consideration)
DJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:17 am | #
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Nate,
I'd say that is wishful thinking in regards to Jimmy.
I think chances are 100% that Jimmy goes pro.
I'd say Golden Tate is 50/50 as of right now.
My hope is that if a change is made (probably a foregone conclusion after tonight). That we zero in on a candidate and close the deal. If we end up with another 3rd/4th choice then there is something under the surface at ND that is causing us to lose out on coaches.
aaronb | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:18 am | #
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Aaron: I think it's VERY wishful thinking--my thoughts on that are already known. I agree 100% with zeroing in on a coach (cough Kelly cough) and getting a deal done, so it can be announced the day after the Stanford game.
I'm still waiting for StadiumDudeChip to show up, tell us the loss tonight was our fault, and give us a prediction of 45-0 win next week against UConn. Anyone else think he's the Marko guy by another name?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:38 am | #
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JimK: No, the admin got bamboozled by Weis and his "schematic advantage"--I'll admit, I did too. And it worked for 2 years when he had kids who had already been taught fundamentals, even though we didn't realize it at the time.
Coaches at any level don't win championships without teaching fundamentals. Brian Kelly has NC experience at Div II and conference championships in FBS.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:40 am | #
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Paging Bob Stoops...
The exit door is open @ OU and the enter door is open @ ND. Please walk through. Thx.
help us, Lord | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:21 am | #
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Regarding the talk of Kelly being potentially turned away by ND because of his pro-choice stance... seriously? You think ND gives a shit anymore about Catholic values and morals after welcoming with open arms a radical Marxist ideologue???
Mack | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:45 am | #
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I thought the political bullshit was confined to the previous thread. Emphasis on "bullshit."
DJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:50 am | #
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"Does anyone realize that Pitt is the best team we'll play all year? I just realized that."
Yeah, and you're definitely better than their third team.
Maybe you could move to DII or something?
Stuart | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:52 am | #
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Stuart-- "definitely" is such a strong word.
druid42 | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:41 am | #
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Stuart: Your team won the game. You beat a team that lost last week to Navy, and who's coach is likely going to be fired. Congratulations. Be happy with that, and don't be an ass.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:51 am | #
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Where is our Middle linebacker,or inside linebacker.Last week Navy toasted us for over 100 right up the gut,and this week it happened again
irishjh2 | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:02 am | #
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Just got home from Pitt a little while ago -- have not read all comments, so apologies if it has already been mentioned:
Check out John Walters piece posted at fanhouse.com at 2 a.m.
He makes some great points and is very creative at the same time. As a columnist, he is one of the most thoughtful and entertaining out there...
miserable | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:18 am | #
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I dont even want to know what or how long the recovery process will be once the hc and the core of this team is gone after the season
Tate4Tat | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:20 am | #
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Lets not be so high and mighty on Kelley until we can do some comparisons and they play Pitt @ Pitt. At this point in time I am not sold on the likes of Kelley being able to successfully take over the ND program with our insistent expectations.
Tate4Tat | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:24 am | #
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Is Bob Stoops Catholic and is that why you think he will come to ND. He is a good. coach.
GB | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:47 am | #
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Whatever happened to inconclusive video evidence? I think the ND Alumni Association of Pittsburgh paid off the Big East refs to get a new hc
Tate4Tat | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:11 am | #
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Poo
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:12 am | #
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First of all, guys, it's Kelly. One "e". Not trying to be a jerk, but it's not that hard to try to spell a guy's name right. It's just as bad as people writing "Weiss".
Secondly, if you're not sold that Brian Kelly could come in here and do a better job than Weis, then you must believe that no one can. You must be of the belief that only someone who has won NC's somewhere else could come in and win at ND. News Flash: ain't gonna happen. No NC winning coach is giving up what they have at their own school. Meyer ain't walking through that door (still don't want him if he was), Saban isn't coming, Mack Brown, Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops....not coming.
I'm all for people making cases for other options--I'll laugh when the unrealistic (Meyer, Stoops) come flowing out.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:14 am | #
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Whoever the next HC is, even if CW wins out and stays, I want some God Damn defense on this team. I would much rather watch a boring SEC-styled game with low scoring and a win, than watch a shoot-out, NCAA Football 2010 video game style score of 40-37. We have the athletes, and whoever said defense wins championships obviously knows their shit
Tate4Tat | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:19 am | #
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so many thoughts:
tate, floyd and clausen are great, but they put up 3 points in almost 3 quarters.
Teo looked horrible
even though the D is bad, nobody even makes a play. you would think one guy with some athleticism would make one play. never.
charlie has to go. he could survive going 9-3 with all the other things he does well, but it so obvious he is a perennial 7-8 win coach. he has to go now. immediately.
an implosion is imminient. coach leaving, players leaving, its going to be an ugly re-start.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:41 am | #
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This is wild. You guys are speculating about new coaches, who wil lstay go pro, et al with absolutely n ofacts. This is a FACT. As bad as ND played at times last night they did not quit. It is high time ND developed a conference of officials for games for independents. Think for a moment if the "roughing the kicker" penalty, which lead to a FG or Clausen's "fumble" had been called correctly? No excuses for the loss, but some of the officiating this year cannot be ignored.
linden | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:10 am | #
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agree on the officials issue. we should go to the mac or the confusa and make them our officials. treat em like gods when they come on campus, 5 star hotels on the road, huge per diems, limos at the airport.
these guys will be singing our song in no time.
this is unfortunately how college football is run today. Do people know that florida never has a game reffed by anything other than a SEC official and refuses to play anyone who does not agree to that. wonder why?
get the mac or cusa, and they do whatever we say. all those old wannbe refs would die to tell their insurance buddies they were reffing this week for ND.
ND needs to learn how to be sweet and pretty on the outside, and be a cutthroat SOB behind the scenes. everybody else is playing hardball, we need to step up.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:29 am | #
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FIRE WEIS and say good bye to any players who can go pro. Chris Martin will Decommit. NotreDame will be down for another six years. We Are not an elite team and have not been for a very long time. So Stop thinking fire a coach is going to get it done.
Bring in Kelly or gruden and as soon as they lose you guys will throw them under the bus too. Oh What if thoses guys say NO I don't want the Job then WHO??? IN WEIS WE TRUST LIKE OR NOT!!!
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:55 am | #
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No, Chip--in Weis we don't trust. No longer. Screaming about it like a 4 year old does not make it change.
And let me get this straight: if Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate go pro, we'll be down another 6 years? Really? Because last I checked, they each only have 1 more year of eligibility. So how, exactly, were they going to affect 2011 and beyond?
Charlie Weis isn't the only guy who can recruit to ND. And I would prefer a coach who recruits less 5 stars but coaches up the talent than a guy who brings in the top class in the nation and wastes it.
Linden, maybe they didn't "quit"--but when are they going to learn that they need to show up before the 4th quarter?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:03 am | #
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belocki,
That is an excellent point... ND needs to exclusively use MAC refs and treat them like princesses. The added bonus is that the MAC refs will be less inclined to favor the other conference teams that beat on MAC teams.
I also think that ND should accept JUCO transfers as long as they have the grades.
Irish_Angst | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:25 am | #
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I still blame the Refs and Ty, because it can't be Chuck's fault, he is a good guy and ND grad. Since he "gets" ND he must be the best coach in the entire universe.
I am sure Weis' Dad will be in sooner or later to fill in the details.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:41 am | #
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I like the idea of MAC refs, that way they will familiar with us when we join the conference in a few years.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:15 am | #
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I think this will probably be my last post here. So all the don't-blame-the-refs, fire-charlie-now trolls should probably skip it since I won't waste my time reading your replies.
I didn't attend Notre Dame as a student, so I never took the mandatory introductory classes that surely teach that ND is expected to win a National Championship every year. My dad did go to school here in the '70s and started a family in South Bend afterward. Some of the best memories I have are of sitting on the couch with him and watching those games from the '80s. But the '88 Miami game is what made me a lifelong fan. Even at nine years of age, I realized the tremendous courage and tenacity that the Notre Dame players showed that day and I knew that I wanted to be a part of that.
Luckily we lived close to the stadium, and I started riding my bike over to campus before the games. I soaked up the goodwill at the various tailgates and usually headed over to the huddle and watched the first quarter while playing cheap video games. By the time the second quarter started I could usually get a ticket from a couple scalpers for less than $5...usually in a back corner, but it was always fun nonetheless.
For the last twenty years, I watched almost every game in some shape or form. I have seen the god-like performances of Rice, Ismail, Bettis, McDougal, Mays, Duff and Tate, and I have reveled in their glow.
I have had my heart broken by bone-headed player mistakes (catch the damn ball Bercich, BC '93) bone-headed coaching mistakes (just try Davie, Nebraska '00) or devastating officiating calls (non-existent calls Colorado '91).
I have suffered through the low years and been left wanting in even the good years, but I was always a Notre Dame fan to the death...or at least until I wanted to dispense death upon my trash-talking co-workers. But this season and the last game have me completely rethinking my priorities.
Even though I was only a lowly townie, I always felt like I was a part of the Notre Dame community. But the days when a kid like me could get into a game are long gone, and even an adult like me has a hard time justifying the steep price of a ticket. I can't shake the feeling that the higher costs are meant to reserve the seats for well-off alumni who are just going to sit quietly (and respectfully) until the third quarter and then leave so that they can beat the traffic back to Chicago. I won't even get into what has been done to the old-school tailgating community.
But the worst thing about this season in particular has been the tremendous isolation I feel from the ND fanbase. We have a coach who is one of us and LOVES Notre Dame. We haven't had that since Lou Holtz. We have an offense that features some of the most explosive players in the country. We haven't had that in 16 years. We have a defense that misuses its safeties too often and gives up big plays, but seems to get better every week. But all I hear are so-called ND fans clamoring for a Weis excommunication over expectations placed on us from the outside. If I have to read another Forde-Yard-Dash in which an atrocious ESPN writer redefines what is expected of our school each week, then I'll probably throw up. Why do we care what people who hate us and our school have to say? Couldn't it be that they want us to do those things so that we continue to live in the doldrums?
But I am tremendously disappointed in the people who frequent this blog. This was at one time the only sane place for people to go who knew anything about football and cared about Notre Dame. The weekly BOOB posts are the only thing that got me through 2007. But the bandwagon firing squad assembled post-Navy is pathetic. We lost that game because of player mistakes, not coaching. Think about the change in outcome if Floyd turns around to look at his quarterback, or Jimmy slides at the endzone like he has been coached all his life, or Duncan-Young hold their blocks when the game is on the line. I was mad as hell after the Navy loss, but that was not a loss acquired through bad coaching.
The Michigan loss, just like the one yesterday, was due to incredibly poor officiating. I mean Pittsburgh would have had ZERO penalties called on it had not one of their defensive linemen physically knocked back one of ours before a snap. The fumble ruling at the end of the game sent me over the edge and I'm afraid I will never be on stable ground again with college football. To me it was on par with the infamous fifth down awarded to Colorado...i.e. so egregious that the outcome of the game should be overturned in retrospect.
And that's the problem. I invest 10 hours a week reading college football news/analysis/recruiting info and I spent eight months of the year waiting for September...for this? So some ref can decide a winner and the teams have no viable means of appeal? No justice ever served? The only way to avoid situations like this are to pull a Florida v. Charleston Southern and win by 70? No one likes games like that. I fell in love with ND football for the '88 Miami game when Miami went for a 2-point conversion to win the game and Notre Dame emerged from the furnace as the victor forged in golden armor. And that kind of victory is no more, so I'm done. Continue on "ND fans" but you will never love what I loved. The two are not the same.
29thStPete | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:43 am | #
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Great move 29thStPete, proclaim yourself better than the rest because you love the team more. Then announce that you are running away to avoid honest discourse. The team has failed to play to its potential even in its wins this years and you want to blame the refs.
I bet there must be at least one Chuck-loving site still out there that will accept you with open arms as you proclaim your love for ND by being willing to accept poor coaching.
The reason that the team today does not remind you of the teams of old is not because of poor officiating, its because our team today cannot play sound football for four quarters. Their coaches have failed them by not teaching them the fundamentals. A solid grounding if proper technique is what allows a less talented team to overcome their weaknesses.
So thats why I want a new HC,so that we can get back to playing great football.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:55 am | #
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Good Bye 29th.
By the way, you are right...victories like the Miami game are done because our coach is shit.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:01 pm | #
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I didn't even watch the game... it was on at 2am here, and by that time I was about 5 sheets to the wind. Didn't have it in me to watch ND. At that point in the night, it would have made me puke .
Read many post-games. Doesn't sound good. Our schematic advantage netted us a grand total of... 3 first half points?!!!!!!
After we were shut out in the first half last week!!!
Jesus... even the parts of this squad that we thought were dependable are not producing until the 4th quarter.
I really wish CW had succeeded, but it is time for us all to move on.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:11 pm | #
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Pete, the Navy loss was not due to coaching? When Navy correctly deduced that our defense would not do a single thing differently to stop the option, adjusted accordingly, and ran wild for almost two full quarters? Your points on the failures of individual players are well taken, but the coaching staff is not blameless.
DJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:21 pm | #
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Weis apologists = Obama Apologists.
Put the Billboard back up | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:22 pm | #
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More political bullshit? Can't the guys declare this a politics-free zone once and for all?
DJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:24 pm | #
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agreed DJ
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:29 pm | #
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Pete, please stop calling yourself an ND fan. "Fans" like you are a huge part of the problem. The problems are way more than the Pitt and Navy losses. ND should be a top-10 team this year and instead is headed for 7-5 or 6-6.
Good Lord, how much evidence do the Charlie butt-kissers need? They really are like Baghdad Bob.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:36 pm | #
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Should Jack Swarbrick seriously consider offering his resignation after the end of the regular season? (He did not hire Charlie, but did not replace him when he had a chance last year.)
He said yesterday he evaluates programs not coaches. Well, he is part of the program, the boss.
~ 98% of the fan base - it seems - had been clamoring for a change for a while. I could only count two or three Weis supporters out of hundreds of fans. Most wanted a change because they thought Charlie could not pull off a good season, even though the schedule appeared to be very favorable in the beginning.
Swarbrick stood by his man, and it may be time for him to follow him out the door. Time to get a new AD that would have a little more sense of urgency and a hand on the pulse of the real bosses.
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 12:48 pm | #
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Is a chop block illegal?
notadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:03 pm | #
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Does anyone care that we covered the spread?
Jack73 | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:06 pm | #
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I was dreaming that CW de-planed, called the AD, and tendered his resignation.
This will be a great Thanksgiving and Christmas, and off-season with the new coach. Tons of material to digest and a clean slate. Ahhhh renewal.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:18 pm | #
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I cared Jack73
aaronb | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:29 pm | #
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You want to see the difference between a well coached, well disciplined team and one that is not?
Alabama vs MissSt. Alabama had 0 turnover and 0 penalties.
Notre Dame vs Pitt. A defensive stop on Pitts first possession and this far into the season, we still don't know enough or are disciplined enough not to run into their kicker.
That is the difference guys/gals, and it all comes down to coaching.
lolo | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:48 pm | #
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cut blocks are legal. Chop blocks are not. If a defensive man is engaged with an offensive man, and another offensive man hits the defensive man low, it's a chop block, and it's illegal.
The cut blocks that Navy uses are legal, and honestly, necessary for 200 lb guys trying to block 300 lb guys.
okiedomer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:57 pm | #
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OK. First thing's first. I certainly don't know as much about the X's and O's as some of the smarter people who regularly contribute. And I would love to learn more, which is why I love coming here and reading the BGS posts.
That said, I have go say as a relative layman (without the burden of detailed technical analysis position by position, game by game, play by play), I have been able to justify in my mind supporting Charlie's staying on board. Sure, I've succumbed here or there, in the heat of the moment following particular disturbing losses that he should be released, but by Monday or Tuesday, my cooler head prevailed and I was back to my main position justifying said stand by the following facts: that 07 was on Ty, and that 08 was on the transition and the Pats' SB win, and that based on reasonable expectations, Charlie should have ended up 6-6 last year. But at the very least we should have progressively better records from 07 to 08 to 09 into 2010. And then hopefully settle into a regular 10-2/9-3 pattern (where we're at least competitive in EVERY game we play, or in other words...we win every game we should, and some of the games we shouldn't).
However -- and this is speaking purely in terms of what happens on the football field these past seasons -- what I see in front of us is a coach who's body of work to date has merely met the barest of minimum requirements....in academic terms, a C or C- average student (Granted there are a few B+'s and/or A-'s included in the raw data).
Now...we could keep on making excuses about injuries to our 4 or 5 top offensive producers, or about refs or about luck, but at the end of the day teams like USC (maybe not this year) know that if the team is well-balanced and coached up well enough those excuses can be transcended. And between Charlie's recruiting rankings, and Harbaugh's successes against Oregon and against USC twice, I think the myths about academics hindering athletics have been disproven as well.
After all this analysis, I can't justify (other than financial and continuity reasons ) why he should be allowed to remain the coach. I just hope we can get the program on track and beat SC before they reach the decade mark.
Submitted for your collective consideration,
GSD.
P.S. Seeing what Stanford did against USC, I immediately thought of 2 things: 1) that if we had ANY chance of beating USC in any year since Davie was fired, this was the year, and 2) How can we possibly beat a team that hung 55 points on USC?
P.P.S. I am not sure we want Harbaugh. I have a feeling he probably is hoping for UM to release Rodriguez.
GoldenStateDomer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 1:58 pm | #
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interesting stats.
First downs: ND 20, Pitt 17.
Turnovers: ND 2, Pitt 0.
3rd quarter time of possession: ND 11:41, Pitt 3:19.
3rd quarter points: Pitt 10, ND 0 [although the Irish did score right away in the 4th.]
***** Notre Dame's first 8 possessions: punt, punt, interception, field goal, punt, end of half, punt, punt.
The last one is inexcusable.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:02 pm | #
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I can't believe that I read through some of these posts and how negative they are towards each other.
How about this.. why don't fans be fans and cheer for their team and school without any expectations and enjoy every Saturday that they play. Fans, including myself at times, need to keep our opinions to ourselves regardless of whether their valid or ridiculous and just keep cheering and supporting and let Charlie Weis be the head coach, because none of us know how difficult it is to be the head coach at ND because of impatient, fairweather fans that make me sick (even ask Lou and Ara, they didn't have the warmest stay at ND). Then, we all can let Jack Swarbrick do his job at the Athletics Director and we can all stop playing the couch AD.
I'm frustrated, but damnit I cheer for this team (players and coaches) every Saturday because I'm a fan and I'm always going to love and cheer for ND.
I'm slowing starting to hate blogs and everyone dumb ass opinions. Opinions are like jerking off, it might satisfy you for the moment, but it won't mean shit to anyone tomorrow, even yourself.
These kind of sites could be great places to network with other fans, but damn, I don't wanna associate myself with anyone thats selling my teams coachs or players out while their still together.
I blame other fans before any coach or player because all the fans have been feeding them shit all year and then you expect them to put it all on the line on Saturday?
Go Irish!!! Beat UCONN!!! Thats all I'm worried about right now. The next battle in the war.
DuceFranko | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:02 pm | #
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Let's put a rest to the idea that CW deserves another year on his internship because he is an alum who loves ND. In fact, he is a mercenary who made noises about leaving just a few games into his contract. If you, or I, or any of Notre Dame's other loyal sons and daughters landed a job at ND in our chosen fields, we would not threaten to leave after a few weeks on the job.
I don't begrudge Charlie for renegotiating his contract after his "signature loss" against USC. It's a free market and he's free to charge as much as we are willing to pay for his services. But he forfeited his right to be considered "one of us" instead of an ordinary employee of the university.
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Duce Franko, just like Pete above, you are part of the problem. People who remember when ND football was good and meant something are appalled at the decline of the program and want to see changes made. Not national championships every year, but competitive football and top-10 rankings with some frequency.
By not expecting ND to employ a good coach or field a good team, you encourage a continuation of the mediocrity that has plagued this program for the past 15 years.
Per your own advice, be sure you have "no expectations" of ND playing well, let alone winning, next week.
And good point about fans being the culprits for this crappy season, and seasons past. If only we had cheered harder, Charlie would have us in the top-10. No doubt Charlie, Tenutata, and the players are reading these comments and sobbing.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:12 pm | #
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NDfootball4ever,
I'm part of the problem? Your not? I remember when ND was great during the Holtz era as well.
I have opinions and strong ones, but my point is that what the hell is the difference on what me or you think? Do changes need to be made, sure, but are you going to hire the next coach?
who we getting man? since you are the all knowing when it comes to ND football? tell me?
Jon Gruden? Why would he?
Brian Kelly, more of the same? Did you see him act on Friday night? dude pointed fingers at everyone but himself when things were going south.
Jim Harbaugh, Stanford? Who I think is a great coach, but what the hell is the incentive to come to ND and hear your bullshit?
Who is your savior man? who is gonna come in and make D lineman grow out of thin air?
All I'm saying is stop bitching. There obvious things that need to change, but all this bullshit means nothing. I saying let people do their jobs, because I highly doubt that Jack Swarbrick has you on speed dial for your opinion.
Or are you the idiot that thinks were getting Urban Meyer from Florida?
so seriously... who is are coach next year?
DuceFranko | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:29 pm | #
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jack73, i don't care about covering the spread. i will never care about spreads.
at the end of the day and at the end of a season, the only thing that matters is whether you got a W or a L.
do they include spreads in the record books?
me | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:31 pm | #
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Misery loves company, so here is a question for the gentleman from the Sunshie State, WeAreUSC:
Things went bad yesterday for both programs. Is Pete feeling any heat yet? And will it affect your recruiting?
One last thing, if USC played Notre Dame in a nuetral field tomorrow, I would put the pot of gold on the Tate and company.
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:31 pm | #
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joe, you would lose that gold so fast. with the intensity we are playing with right now, i wouldn't bet on us against duke.
love the kids that sweat and bleed for our team, but the wheels on this thing are falling off.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:33 pm | #
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Do you see the irony in making posts about how opinions don't matter?
The list of prospective coaches has been beaten to death. Suffice to say that here are roughly 115 Div I coaches who can do a better job than Charlie.
This has become the favored tactic of the Charlie Weis butt-kissers ("CWBKs"). The CWBKs wring their hands over how a replacement coach is going to be impossible to find. There are good coaches all over in CFB. With the way Weis has recruited, there will be at least one taker if the money is right.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:34 pm | #
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totally agree, ndfootball.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:35 pm | #
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If I had to beat, I would bet a fortune that USC would beat ND tomorrow on a neutral field.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:36 pm | #
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beat = bet
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:36 pm | #
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Go IRISH Beat UCONN. EVERY ONE CHEER THERE hearts out. Don't forget it will be a home game. LADY ON THE DOME SHAMES ALL WEIS HATERS.
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:39 pm | #
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alright guys, name one coach that you would like and tell me the experience that is a proven thing in a program with the same academics and expectations to be in a BCS game yearly? Evaluate someone, sell me.
I'm supporting Weis because he's still the head coach of my team until someone tells me otherwise and then I will support the next guy as much, but changing coaches over and over hasn't worked either so far.
DuceFranko | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:40 pm | #
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I've heard the name Tony Dungy mentioned. Could you imagine this?
Alabama Black Snake | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:42 pm | #
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Jim:
Als oadd penalty yars. Pitt--one for 5 yards. We never play teams that hold, interfere, chop block or rough the snapper.
linden | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:45 pm | #
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I can't see a NFL coach, whose won a Super Bowl and has a good reputation come to ND and risk that reputation. (Gruden or Dungy)I would be very surprized.
DuceFranko | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:46 pm | #
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Joe:
CA is the golden state (hence my handle), I think FL is the sunshine state.
Anyone who says that Pete should go at SC is on the wrong track. I'd love to be following a program where a 3-loss season is your idea of a firable offense.
I grew up in NYC -- a pro-football town -- & didn't become a fan of College Football or of the Irish until my freshman year in '91 . Smack in the middle of the Holtz years. ND hasn't won a single Championship since I've been a fan. I saw some losses during those years that confused and astounded me. (I remember wondering Holtz could possibly consider taking two prototypical pocket-passer, pro-style QBs and run an Option offense). But I think that the confusion was so great b/c under Holtz, we generally expected to win every game we played and we didn't really what to do with ourselves when we lost.
I'd LOVE to get back to those high expectations for our program...Let's check back in on Petey at USC in a couple of years.
GoldenStateDomer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:47 pm | #
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Bring back Ara!
How cool would it have been if Ara could have been our JoePa?
wyndycity | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 2:54 pm | #
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People seem really pissed that our offense wasn't more productive in the first half (at least one person pointed to it), and here is the problem I see:
Our running game looked pretty damn good. Allen was slashing and getting big chunks and getting some solid first downs. Not to mention, at the time the game was 3-3 and Pitt's offense hadn't done much either. Going in at half-time down 10-3 to the 8th ranked team in the country ... you're right in the thick of things. Given how good the Pitt line is, CW's approach I think was spot on. Grind this team down with some run and reap the benefits in the second half. This is exactly what people on this board have clamored for for years. The reality is that the team is horribly unbalanced and the Defensive woes make the margins for error razor thin.
All in all, people on this board might want CW gone. Fine. However, the coaching in this game wasn't poor. We went toe-to-toe with the no. 8 team and it didn't go our way. We are not a top 10 caliber team given the lack of talent and youth on the defensive side of the ball.
Of course someone is going to say that my expectations are too low ... but that's a moron argument because we had no justifiable reason to expect NC or a top 10 team to come out this year. Conjuring unreasonable expectations out of thin air isn't an argument.
I really can't point to one bone head coaching thing Weis has done this year. Lot's of plays haven't worked, but the intentions and results were solid with respect to the team he was playing.
Fact is the Defense and the kicking game are why we are a 6-4 team. On top of that, it seams to me that we knew this could be the result because the youth on the D-line was obvious.
I'd be really interested in hearing a good argument for firing Weis that doesn't degrade into vitriolic personal attacks. Though Weis is not moving at the rate at which I would like, he brought Tenuta in on defense and brought in a new line coach and new running backs coach and improvements have been observed. It's not clear to me that Weis doesn't recognize the problems and isn't busting his ass and making strides to fix them.
Anyway, how about a logical argument for why he should be fired that doesn't call me a Charlie Weis Butt-Kisser and doesn't just say "because he lost to Navy" - what is the pathological failure of Weis that means he should go? Should this team really be better at this point (Flashy receivers don't make a team good -they help - but it takes more than that)? It really seems to me that the question of whether Weis stays or goes comes down to the Defense. Is there talent there that just needs to develop? Is the pipeline filled with talent?
Anyway, I don't know the answer to those questions but it seams that the BGS guys should have a pretty good feel for it and be able to lend some insight on the direction the program is moving in (if its moving up its hard for me to say fire him just because the wins/losses don't stack up the way I would like).
goIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:03 pm | #
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Earlier this morning, miserable mentioned the latest Daily Domer post by John Walters. Thanks for reminding me of his site. Many lists have been offered in the last eight days, and Walters proffers another. Here's his entry #22:
Notre Dame has outscored opponents in the fourth-quarter 60-30 in its four losses. The Irish never quit, but they never show up to play, either. It's as if every game is an exam that Notre Dame pulls an all-nighter for on the eve of and then cannot believe that it received a C-minus.
The analogy works for me, perhaps because I can relate all too well.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:04 pm | #
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Chip you logic is faulty. Chuck is not the football team nor the program, he is only the incompetent coach. I can cheer the team while still hoping that the administration grows the balls to cut Chuck loose and allow the program to move forward.
Duce, you and people like you are why we had to suffer through another year of Chuck. He has managed to get so many to believe that we cannot return the program to greatness. He says he takes the blame for all the mistakes but he never takes the step of resigning because he can't handle the job.
At this point the logic of the Weis apologist is that the poor state of the program is the fault of the players not the coach. If he wants to shoulder the blame then he should admit that he cannot oversee an effective defense and he cannot motivate college players. He should show some pride and resign, saving the school all that money he extorted by loosing to USC.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:07 pm | #
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your not you in the first sentence
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:07 pm | #
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Would have been very cool - though Ara at 50 suffered from extreme hypertension and was told by doctors that he wouldn't live five more years unless he gave the job up. I like JoePa a lot - but in terms of intensity, he is definitely second tier to AP.
I live in SoCal and have yet to hear even a whisper of criticism about Carroll. The media (paper and broadcast) seem to lay the blame at the feet of a team that quit on the season. (IMHO it's actually players who listened to the fawning, kiss-ass media's constant praise of them and not to Carroll's unending admonitions to compete).
It doesn't hurt that despite the obvious humiliating-for-a-big-ego-guy pain that Carroll finds himself in as he faces the press after each still-rare loss that he emphatically, invariably, and apparently sincerely says (as he did yesterday) - "It's all on me. That's the only answer. Our players and coaches worked hard ad prepared well. It's on me."
It'd be easier to feel for Charlie if he stepped up like that.
JimK | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:08 pm | #
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goIrish, you need to re-read the last week's comment threads if you have not seen any rational, fact-based arguments for changing coaches at ND. There are plenty, most notably from Nate. Don't get hung up on the inflammatory and hyperbolic posts by Not that Tom, ndfootball4ever, and others.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:17 pm | #
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I am almost glad the other Weis apologist, Weis Dad (if it is not Stadium Chip), is taking the day off and after an all night bender is recuperating away from the computer screen.
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:39 pm | #
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I really believe that Charlie doesnt think the team plays that bad or his coaching is bad. He cant see the forest for the trees. I think if he would take off his rose colored glasses he would see the state of the program and resign.
When he took over for Willingham he stated the program just wasnt good enough. I think he needs to really look in the mirror and say the same thing to himself.
Coaching ND is the toughest coaching job in America. Few rewards... if you dont count the cash... and alot of mental and physical problems.
I truly believe anyone that comes to this site loves ND football, why else would they be on here. That being said, no one here wants to see Charlie fail at his job as head coach. He is a geat recruiter and has a very good mind for the offense. Charlie will land on his feet wherever he goes, he literally has a golden parachute. Its the rest of the staff that I hate to see be out of a job.
But this is big time college football and Charlie will have to be fired to get his money so that is the way it will go down. Probably after the Stanford game. It would console most of us to see Charlie resign, but I truly believe his ego wont let him.
Sadly, he really does believe he has a schematic advantage. I know some of you wont agree with me, but thats because the truth hurts more then a lie. He will be gone after this year its just the facts.
Last night I think it was clear to see that the team was just flat. They just looked like they have so many times. Just stunned that they cant seem to stop anyone from pushing their will on ND.
Charlie is a nice man and a ND grad, but sometimes things just dont fit. This is one of those times. For Better or worse, five years is long enough.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:52 pm | #
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Pat, if you guys still read these comments, I miss your stat posts. It seemed like the Irish did pretty well winning first down yesterday but, when they lost, they lost in spectacular fashion. And since we're in big-picture mode now, are any of the stats proving to be meaningful? Or does your lack of posting them answer that question...
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 3:55 pm | #
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TJ, how should we differentiate "flat" from "business-like"? One irony in this season is that ND has been competitive in every game, at least by the final scores, yet the bottom line is 6-4. I'd argue with anyone that the teams under Weis are more resilient than those of Willingham, but it seems like Weis himself would argue that resiliency itself doesn't matter if you don't win. In short, I think your comment makes a lot of sense. I have a hard time with the binary idea of coaching or playing as "good" or "bad", but that's precisely what the W-L boils it down to, and so that's why it is hard to reconcile the comments of newly-hired Weis with the assessments offered by current head-coach Weis.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:04 pm | #
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Louie, the Charlie situation reminds me alot of the Faust situation. He was a really great guy and he really loved ND, but he was overwhelmed by how hard it is to be the Notre Dame coach. Its like looking at The President of the United States. Look how much they age in four years. The same with Notre Dame.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:09 pm | #
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GoIrish, being deficient on defense and special teams in year 5 is pretty damning. But the offense is deficient too. ND is around 80th in red zone offense, and that is no accident. That is due to the fact that we can't (or won't) run the ball when space gets constricted. We will throw 10,983,209 fades though. Moreover, consider what Weis's offense will be like without a tested veteran QB (which we will have every few years). I have high hopes for Christ, but if Clausen had not played a game this year, I think the Irish would be lucky to have 3 wins. Weis's system relies too heavily on the QB and precision that can be attained only through experience.
Weis's shortcomings are very obvious by now and have been discussed ad nauseum, but here are a few just for grins:
1) Weis does not choose assistants well. The musical chairs at DC is the prime example.
2) Weis does not know, or perhaps care, enough about defense to get involved on that side of the ball. Remember how Holtz took over the defense right before the Florida Cheerios bowl? Weis will never be able to do something like that. When the defense is on the field, half the time his back is turned talking to Jimmy.
3) ND consistenly comes out flat, whether in big games or not. USC 2005 is the one exception. Some of that is on the players, but a pattern of this points at coaching.
4) ND is physically soft. I don't care what Weis says the players' bench press numbers are, you can see this all over field.
5) A biggie here: Weis cannot implement an effective running game. In the games it does work, Weis abandons the run for whatever reason. This is especially true whenND falls behind early. Allen this week, Riddick against Navy, etc.
6) The O-line play has been very mediocre, in accordance with what we have come to expect. Blocking before scheming, Charlie.
7) Weis has played favorites with playing time.
8) Poor clock management at times, e.g., USC this year. Also recall Weis's baffling admission in the Purdue presser that he was going to spike the ball on 3rd and goal with 25 seconds left! Why? So he could draw up a play- it's all about the playcalling!
9) Weis consistently has to burn TO's because he gets plays in late.
10) Numerous, very questionable decisions when it comes to 4th down. I have no problem being aggressive (e.e.g, eschewing the 42 yearder vs. USC). But decisions like going for it from the 4 yard line against Navy early in the 3rd quarter down 14=0 is jus stupid.
11) Mediocre special teams. Punting is atrocious. As Holtz pointed out, the KO return to MI was due to a schematic failure in coverage. PAT's get blocked routinely. Punt returns, Tate last night excepted, are terrible.
12) A huge number of players have regressed or stagnated over their careers. Look at out secondary! Those corners were coveted by just about everyone! Not to mention H. Smith, B. Smith, K. Neal, Aldridge, Hughes, Young, etc.
13) God awful defense, characterized by atrocious tackling and constant confusion among the players pre-snap.
14) A huge number of bad losses: MI 2006 and 2007; Syracuse 2008; BC 2008, Air Force 2007; Navy 2007 and 2009; in retrospect, MI 2009, USC 2006-2008. Tyrone is to blame for some of this, but not all. Weis's impressive wins? He almost beat USC a couple of times.
15) Poor development of backup QBs. Brian Kelly has had to play something like 6 QB's in 2 years. His QBs don't miss a beat. Contrast that to Weis, who wouldn't trust his 5-star sophomore QB throw more than screens because Clausen gets all the reps in practice.
16) The bottom line is that Weis consistently loses to or struggles to beat teams with far less talent. On the flip side, he virtually never beats good teams (he has beaten one team in 5 years that finished the season ranked).
Look at someone like Harbaugh. His team beat Oregon and USC to a pulp because he understands that football is first and foremost about toughness an fundamentals, not about dialing up some play call that bewilders the opposing defensive coordinator. Or look at Navy, the anti-Weis team: not very talented, but they have a simple offense that is their identity and they excecute it. We, on the other hand, have an offensive genius who struggles for 3 quarters and then relies on his incredibly talented Big Three to eke out a victory.
Oh, and ND absolutely had the talent to be a top 10 team this year. A young DL was the only thing keeping them from having legit title aspirations. But hey, we'll settle for 7-5 or 6-6. That's what $4 million a year, a decided schematic advantage, and lot of hot air get you.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:14 pm | #
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My concerns about Weis are secondary to my concerns about Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate. I have no idea what Clausen and Tate are thinking in terms of going pro and in terms of playing for Weis. If it happens that their decisions are dependent on Weis's status, I'm all for Weis staying for one more year. I find it odd that not very many people are compelled by the players when they discuss firing Weis. We're not going to see an offense of this caliber for years, and frankly, I'd like to see these guys for another season.
laurenirish | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:39 pm | #
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Yeah, TJ, that was before my time, but from what I've read here and elsewhere the comparison fits. The reason I asked about "flat" versus "business-like" probably was not too clear. What I've read about Faust is that he was too much a high school coach, perhaps to the point of treating the players like younger kids. The sense I have, and have read, about Weis is that he's too cerebral and not passionate enough. You can lose 1/3 of your games in the NFL and still win a title, not so in college. The lack of passion was also part of Bob Davie's criticism of the culture at ND (last week maybe?) as being unhelpful to having a great defense.
lauren, player retention is definitely an issue with changing coaches, but I'm not sure how Jack Swarbrick could get a clear prediction of the players' decisions.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 4:58 pm | #
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When's the Press Conference??
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:01 pm | #
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I can't wade through 1300+ messages, so if this has been mentioned, apologies.
I have heard second hand from a supposedly reputable source (grain of salt taken here) that it was settled upon within the last week that no matter what happens the rest of this year, CW will resign and cite health reasons, and (more importantly) BK is already lined up to take over.
Again, second hand, and a so-called solid source, but the health reasons angle is not one I've yet heard.
IndyEsq | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:01 pm | #
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jim masterston, press conference was cancelled due to the team's late arrival last night.
laurenirish | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:05 pm | #
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ndfootball
I haven't said a thing all season and now I don't have to. Your analysis is perfect. I'm sorry he failed but he has. Time to move on.
Domerplayer | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:11 pm | #
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I am stupefied that some people don't want Weis fired because we'll lose JC and Golden to the NFL. What makes them think next year will be any different if they all stay?
I wish AaronB, StadiumDudenamedChip, Weis's Dad, and the few other holdouts would see that our anger is not about irrational expectations that we finish 12-0 every year, but rather the simple indisputable fact that NONE of Weis's teams have ended the year better than they were the first week of September. It's a simple expectation to have, actually.
scott | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:40 pm | #
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I love this blog, but I wish you all would post entries after losses. I really hate waiting until Friday before the next game to read something new. =/
NDfanNDfan | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:46 pm | #
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Thanks, domerplayer, I'm glad my rant resonated with at least one other poster. :) I just hope that the BOT doesn't screw up this coaching search as it usually has over the last 30 years or so.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:50 pm | #
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Can people stop using Clausen jumping to the NFL as a reason to keep Weis? I mean is the team suddenly going to get better with Weis here next year? And who cares if Tate and Clausen leave? Our record couldn't have been much worse the last three years without them.
not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 5:51 pm | #
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Louie I am glad to see you coming around to seeing the need to dump Weis. We took him at his word that W-L matters. And regardless of the reasons Chuck is not getting it done. He shows little improvement in that category this year. I think we will split the rest of the season and go 7-5, that is not really improvement from 6&6. The bowl game is a wild card because if we get a better bowl than our record deserves we may well lose that too.
Yes I throw fire at times, but we have plenty of people that seem to want to keep Weis only because he is an ND alum, fire may be the only way to get their attention.
not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:01 pm | #
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The Weis Fact Sheet
posted by The Rock
Regretfully, we're assembling another fact sheet. Something we could have easily done a year ago, but we waited until the end was beyond doubt. Please email us with any factual errors.
Under .500 over the last 3 seasons
Against teams with winning records: Weis 8-19 (.296) Faust 12-23 (.343) Willingham 12-15 (.444) Davie 18-22 (.450)
0 wins against teams finishing in the top 10 of any of the major polls.
0 wins over a team with less than 4 losses
1 (1-13) win against teams finishing in the Top 25
Worst two year stretch in Notre Dame history (10-15)
First coach to lose to Navy since 1963 (twice)
First time in 73 years (the first year of polling) that an unranked Navy team defeated a ranked Notre Dame team
Worst loss to a service academy in 44 years (blown out by Air Force)
First coach in Notre Dame history to lose to an eight-loss team (Syracuse 2008)
0-5 against USC
Average margin of defeat against USC: 19.8 ppg
The worst loss to any SC team (38 points largest margin of victory in the 79-game history of rivalry)
Losing records to Boston College: 1-2, Michigan: 2-3 and Michigan State: 2-3
Losses by 20 points or more: 8
More shutout losses: 3 (Boston College, USC, Michigan) in four years than Notre Dame had from 1965-2001
First 9-loss season in school history
First 0-4 start ever
First 0-5 start ever
Has lost to more teams that finished outside the top 50 (MSU 2007, Purdue 2007, GT 2007, Navy 2007, Syracuse 2008) than Willingham, Davie and Faust
combined (5-4)
Last overall offense in the country in 2007
Last overall in yards per play in 2007
Last overall in yards per game in 2007
Lowest average yardage in the history of Notre Dame football in 2007
Worst rushing team in ND history in 2007
Lost to Navy, USC and Michigan in the same year
twice
Set an NCAA record (58) for most sacks allowed in a season in 2007
Notre Dame finished 90th in the country in the 2007 Sagarin ratings
below Richmond, North Dakota State, Delaware, Navy, Florida Atlantic, James Madison and Wofford.
3-16 record since 2007 against teams that finished with a winning record
Only coach in ND history to coach for five years and not score 50 points in a game (56 other teams topped 50 points during Weiss tenure)
Weis has given up 40+ points in a loss 6 times, 30+ in a loss 19 times
Currently has the 84th ranked defense in the country
Will miss the BCS three straight years
No BCS wins in five years of coaching
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:12 pm | #
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To be fair, Charlie needs one more year. His tutorship of Jimmy is about to pay off big time. His recruits are ready to roll.
The facts of Mr. Masterson should have the disclaimer that Charlie took over a gutted program and he had to rebuild from the studs.
Now, at Alabama, the table was set nicely for Saban to come in and get all of the glory right away.
Weis has the program 100% better than when he first took it over.
Sad losses? Yes, But bright future ahead. I can see it, visualize it, taste it. Don't let it rock, let it roll.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:21 pm | #
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I disagree with the fire, not that Tom, because I think it simply generates return fire. There's no way to reduce the decision to simple numbers or rationality, though I have tried. At the risk of creating a tangent, it's a little like global warming or evolution. Lots of great data has been compiled by many competent scientists, yet a consensus by well-informed professionals will never convince people as much as a predictive theory. Should we be able to put a man in space? Most people believe "yes" because it has been shown in practice.
So, too, the proof of a coaching change is in the results. I could argue that 8 years under Willingham, or 13 under Davie, would have worked out better than what we've seen. We can debate whether Charlie Weis or Coach X will do better with the Irish next year. My greatest fear remains that we get a redux of 2005 -- you'll never convince me that ND fired Ty to get to Charlie, nor that they should have. I would have been skeptical even if ND had hired Meyer but, then again, by now the proof would be clear.
If I had just one wish, other than for all the children of the world to sing together in harmony, it would be for this board to agree that a coaching change may be what is needed at this time. Maybe then we could get back to analyzing how the Irish can establish a bowl winning streak, preferably in a New Year's Day game. No matter the coaching, two post-season wins in a row would be a good thing for the program.
It's up to Jack Swarbrick to fish. I can cut bait.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:23 pm | #
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What interesting situations we find our respective teams...
But remember, tomorrow is always a better day.
Fight On!
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:29 pm | #
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heard that last year WD.
and it would be said next year too.
mike b | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:29 pm | #
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We're into hypotheticals here, WeAreSC -- based on the injuries that have bitten your team since its trip to South Bend, how do you think the Irish and Trojans would match up today? Is Havili back yet? He seems like a huge loss. And why are injuries more of an issue this season? Did the team stay healthier in PC's earlier years?
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:34 pm | #
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Louie,
Even with the injuries I'm certain USC would beat us again.
Ever seen our defense on the field?
USC is just reloading. They will still be the dominant team in the PAC-10.
DayBreakBoys | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:36 pm | #
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ndfootball4ever-Your 16 points should be posted right on surface of this blog and not regulated to the deep reaches of the comments. It's what the Board of Trustees need to read and be aware of. (I was wondering last night how much the Board of Trustees know about college football. I doubt the high-up spend their leisure or work break time on ND football internet sites.) If we give them the benefit of the doubt your points are great support for a change to be made.
Gold Wave | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:38 pm | #
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"Losing records to Boston College: 1-2, Michigan: 2-3 and Michigan State: 2-3"
add Pitt to that point.
Gold Wave | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:44 pm | #
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Wish I could look forward to ND basketball at time like this, but it will probably be more of the same (NIT or out in the 1 or 2nd rounds of the big dance.) The hockey team is exciting-even if I don't really understand the sport.
David Rivers rules | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:51 pm | #
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Louie - ND would beat us if the game were played today, and I would say by at least 2-3 scores.
Havili was back yesterday. Injuries happen to every team every year. Its not an excuse for SC's woes this year, but they do further expose vulnerabilities. SC's problems come down to youth and lacking fundamentals. For instance, SC's LBs have let the OL engage them rather than fight off blocks. DEs have been pinching down rather than stay home, leaving them vulnerable to counters, reverses, rollouts.
This is all a partly a function of youth/depth. At some points of each game the past 4-5 weeks, SC's front 7 have all been new starters and freshmen/sophomores. PC and Co. need to emphasize and teach fundamentals among these guys and stay patient.
I'm a little mixed as far as how I feel. It doesn't bother me that SC is losing to better teams, but the sloppy, undisciplined play is frustrating. This year was inevitable. We lost close to half our team to the NFL for the third consecutive year, so we are really young. I'm just surprised that the losses have been as bad as they've been.
In a perverse way, I was glad to see Harbaugh go for 2pt conversion when they were up by several scores. This should put a fire in the belly of the Trojans for quite some time.
I would be angry/disheartened if I thought Pete Carroll and our coaches were unable to teach these kids how to play football properly. And even though PC doesn't use revenge a motivator, I know the Trojans will seek revenge next year and years after. As with most college coaches, Pete Carroll is fiercely competitive and I know that he will work tirelessly to get USC back to the top.
Fight On!
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 6:53 pm | #
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I also cannot forget women's soccer as something to be excited about.
David Rivers rules | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:01 pm | #
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WeAreSC, a man of true character and moral fiber. Admitting mistakes, not making excuses, but with a very positive outlook towards the future. He reminds me a lot of myself, actually. Long live the ND - USC rivalry!
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:26 pm | #
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Women's soccer? or hockey? Please save it for other blogs.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:28 pm | #
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Harbaugh went for two with a 50 point lead? Figures. You can't teach class, especially to a Michigan man.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:31 pm | #
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My biggest fear:
That Weis's Dad turns out to be Jack Swarbrick.
dkt | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 7:46 pm | #
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Weis's Dad is hilarious. A master of parody and satire.
tridentum | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:03 pm | #
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Embarrassing!
Next year will be just as embarrassing.
New coach will have the rebuilding excuse.
We're going to be 6-6 again this year and next.
We lost to Navy (twice).
Embarrassing!
Sterling James | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:18 pm | #
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If our next coach is in the the position Harbaugh was on Saturday and doesn't try to hang 50 on SC, he's the WRONG guy for the job.
Go Irish.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:31 pm | #
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I read this like a dozen posts ago, but it said that BK (Brian Kelly) was already lined up as the next coach.
Be careful what we wish for... Just because he built a program at Cincy where he can get certain kids into, doesn't mean that it will tranlate over to ND.
Personally, if change is happening, I sure hope we look at Harbaugh (psoted the most pts EVER on our rival USC this past week) as well as * Dark Horse, Butch Davis... think about him for a second... built a monterous Miami Program that has somewhat high academic standards, then failed in the NFL similar to Pete Carrol and is now builting North Carolina into a damn good program.
Regardless, if change happens, dont run and jump on the next guys bandwagon because he wins next year with how many guys are back and how full the program is with scholarship players.
Many the expectations shoudl have been saved for next year anyway.
DuceFranko | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:41 pm | #
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I can remember when finishing outside the Top Ten was a bad year.
DB12 | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:45 pm | #
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DuceFranko, Kelly has built 3 schools up now..not 1, not 2, but 3!
Kelly joined the Grand Valley State University staff in 1987 as a graduate assistant.
Coach Kelly took over as head coach in 1991. In his final three seasons the Lakers went 41-2, at one point winning 20 consecutive games. The Lakers went 14-0 in 2002 en route to their first national title
and went 14-1 in 2003 when they claimed their second National Championship. Kelly was named the AFCA Division II Coach of the Year after each of these championship years.
In his 13 years as head coach at Grand Valley the Lakers won five conference titles and made six Division II Playoff appearances. Grand Valley State never finished lower than third under Kelly.
The 2001 team set 77 NCAA, GLIAC, and school records, including setting the all-time Division II scoring record, averaging 58.4 points per game.
His record in 13 years at Grand Valley State University was 118-35
2004: Coach Kelly became the 24th head coach at Central Michigan University.
2005: In Coach Kelly's second year at Central Michigan he coached the team to a 6-5 record, the first winning season in seven years for the Chippewas.
2006: In his third season, the Chippewas posted a 9-4 record under Coach Kelly en route to winning the MAC Championship.
2006: Coach Kelly was named Cincinnati's head coach on December 3, 2006.
2007: In his first full season in 2007, Coach Kelly led Cincinnati to a competitive position in the Big East; the Bearcats' second ever 10-win season (its first since 1949); and a Top 25 ranking. On December
5, 2007, Kelly was named Big East Coach of the Year after leading his Bearcats to a 9-3 record.
2008: Kelly led Cincinnati to its first ever outright Big East title with key wins over West Virginia and Pittsburgh. The Bearcats had never defeated either team in Big East conference play. Kelly also
became the first coach to win all three of the Bearcats' traveling trophies: the Victory Bell, the Keg of Nails, and the Paddlewheel Trophy. Kelly was named Big East Coach of the Year for the second year in a row.
The Honest Truth | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:50 pm | #
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All of this clamoring for a name-saviour-coach-flavor-of the month reminds me of how much
Michigan wanted Rodriguez a little while back. Now that they have him, no big deal anymore. Remember, charity begins at home.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:50 pm | #
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now, I am off to breakfast ( a liquid one that is!)
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 8:51 pm | #
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I think Weis' Dad may be onto something. Lets make Chuck an offer. He gets to coach the full run of his contract.
But here is the deal, he has to finish each of the remaining seasons with a record above 7-5, he must finish four of them with a record equal to or better than 9-3. He must finish two of those seasons at least at 10-2. He must play in two BCS bowl games, winning one of them. In the non-BCS bowls he is allowed one loss.
If he fulfills these goals we negotiate a new contract, if he fails at any of the goals he give back all the money he has received under the original and the contract extension.
Do you think Weis would go for it? I don't because Chuck doesn't believe in his abilities any more than we do.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:02 pm | #
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"New coach will have the rebuilding excuse.
We're going to be 6-6 again this year and next."
You know, maybe, if we get a new coach next year, going 6-6 wouldn't be so bad for a first-year outing. Part of Weis' problem was going 9-3 in his first year and making us think that something good was going to come of it.
Not that I'm saying I'm ready for mediocrity. I mean, hell, it ought to be 13-0 and with one sweet ass crystal football every year.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:04 pm | #
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"Butch Davis... think about him for a second... built a monterous Miami Program that has somewhat high academic standards, then failed in the NFL similar to Pete Carrol and is now builting North Carolina into a damn good program."
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ha!
*breath*
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahaha!
Oh my...oh...wait...you're serious. You're serious? Oh, how sad for you, you poor, misguided soul.
Have you actually ever watched UNC play? If there's an offense in the league more dismal than ours, then it's UNC. Plus, if you think the playing favorites that Weis does is bad, you should see what Davis does. If you don't kiss his ass week in and week out, you'll find yourself minus one scholarship at the end of the year.
And, yes, I know you're going to have the short memory and all and defend Davis for beating Miami last night and how "awesome" Miami was for beating a down Oklahoma and a lousy Florida State team. But they got lit up in Blacksburg and looked thoroughly pathetic in that loss. So, don't hang your hat on how "awesome" Butch Davis is.
Same with David Cutcliffe. Trust me, I have to see the shit they put on the field week in and week out. I'm all too familiar.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:10 pm | #
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Not to mention that UNC has three losses so far, one of which was by double digits to Virginia. Two of their 7 wins came against Georgia Southern and The Citadel. I can see where the Miami success is appealing, and the Tar Heels are certainly better than the five seasons preceding Davis' arrival, but there are no sure things. Weis' Dad is right that Rich Rodriguez should be on the minds of all ND fans. Call me a "Carr apologist".
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:27 pm | #
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Yeah, I believe that Davis also took his success his first year--when Arkansas was looking for a new coach--and translated it into a contract extension. And then promptly went out and got out-played by Duke at home. If it wasn't for Greg Little, UNC would have lost.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:29 pm | #
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Stoops loses his starting QB and Oklahoma drops out of the picture.
Ferentz has Iowa undefeated through 9 games,loses his starting QB then loses two consecutive games.
Navy loses its starting QB and loses to Temple.
USC loses Sanchez, starts a freshman QB and gives up 55 in part becuse of turnovers by the QB.
ND loses Floyd, Allen, Aldridge, and now Rudolph for several games and has Clausen playing injured and is supposed to go undefeated. Makes sense to me.
mecheng | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:29 pm | #
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What do all those other teams (other than Iowa) have in common? Discipline. Depth. A consistent scheme. An identity.
Notre Dame? Drive killing penalties by senior linemen. Drive continuing penalties on special teams.
We only survived up until now without Floyd thanks to Golden Tate taking the entire program on his shoulders and willing us to win.
A defensive scheme that shifts from 3-4 to 4-3 to 3-4 and back. Not to mention, we're constantly shunting people around. Harrison Smith looks good as a linebacker. Let's make him a DB! Kerry Neal is good as a linebacker, let's shove him in as a DE. Travis Thomas is a though running back. Perfect linebacker material!!!
Our identity is to pound the ball, until that seems to be successful, then we'll just throw fades. Our identity is red zone failure. Our identity is mediocrity with a near-win against our rivals.
Yes, that sounds like a traditional football power to me.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:44 pm | #
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So, was this loss the last nail in the piano case for Weis?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:47 pm | #
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WeAreSC, thanks for the commentary. I tend to agree with DayBreak; it's hard to see ND winning a rematch, or to see any other team atop the PacTen for long. At the least, there's no way ND beats a decent team by more than a TD these days.
DayBreak, care to analyze what's happened to make the Irish defense take a step back this season? At the time, bringing in Te'o and Bryant Young, having more time to get Brown and Tenuta on the same page, and getting more reps to Johnson, Filer, Fleming, KLM et. al. seemed like a great recipe for the future. While I agree with the buck ultimately stopping at the top, I cannot understand the regression on D.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:48 pm | #
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We are ND. We are supposed to go undefeated every year and play Florida, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Tennessee,LSU, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State every year and win each game by at least 60. If we don't do that we need to fire the coach, burn down the stadium, and join the likes of Division III football teams. We are ND.
Delusional ND fan | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:52 pm | #
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according to rivals cincy recruiting classes the last 3 years... 89, 67,60 and this year so far 43..
And this team is ranked in the top 5....
could it be coaching??
I think a real coach could have this team in the NC game in three years..
just like Ara, Devine and Holtz....
jmc | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 9:55 pm | #
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Peter Sampson of Rivals.
by Pete Sampson
Latest Notre Dame News
Hendrix comments on Weis
Lueders remains solid
Photos: Pitt 27 ND 22
Metaphorical warning signs sat scattered throughout the Guglielmino Center last Tuesday, harbingers of Notre Dame's small stage performance to come. Indifference had enveloped the Irish football program long before it arrived at Heinz Field on Saturday night. That attitude showed in perhaps the last relevant game of the Charlie Weis era.
PS. Miami an academic institution? Uagottabe$hittingme. Brhahahahaha.
Louie, #1 for many would be curing men's baldness.
I wanted Harbaugh to go for two on the last td. Hahaha, he laid 50+ on U$C, it made my day, even ND laying down again couldn't tarnish the Tree's victory.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:01 pm | #
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Joe Subway, the situation remains that 8-4 could be enough to keep the current coaching staff, don't you think? At this point, one must assume that whatever behind-the-scenes workings can be done, are being done. I hope that the future depends on what replacement(s) are ready and willing, and not just on how the Irish finish out. How folks here can believe that just any replacement is better than the current coach is beyond me.
Depending on how they finish out, there's no shame in losing to Pitt this year. Plus, if the Irish win out and the Panthers lose to Cincy, there's a real possibility that ND goes to the Gator while Pitt goes to the Car Care bowl. Does hoping for that outcome count as schadenfreude?
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:02 pm | #
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Delusional: You are absolutely correct. Get with the program or pound sand, smart ass. WE ARE ND.
Put the Billboard back up | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:05 pm | #
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jim, I'll adjust my priorities accordingly
:-)
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:10 pm | #
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No way Weis keeps his job... personally think they should announce that before this weekend..
Without that, it's going to be a heinous scene in the stadium.. even without the snowballs...
Instead announce it now, send CW out with the seniors... celebrate what he has been able to do ..
jmc | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:13 pm | #
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Strike Harbaugh's Name.
Stanford close to finalizing new deal for Harbaugh
Associated Press
Sunday, Nov. 15, 2009 - 5:05 p.m.
STANFORD, Calif. -- Stanford football coach Jim Harbaugh is close to completing a contract extension with the school.
Athletic director Bob Bowlsby said Sunday in an e-mail that a formal announcement of a new deal was expected to come shortly. The two sides were close to announcing an extension after last season but talks were put on hold in February because of the poor economy.
Harbaugh has done an impressive rebuilding job at Stanford since taking over a one-win team from Walt Harris after the 2006 season. The Cardinal won four games in Harbaugh's first season, including big wins over Southern California and California.
Stanford went 5-7 last year, falling one win shy of a possible bowl bid. The turnaround was completed this year as the Cardinal (7-3, 6-2 Pac-10) have moved into The Associated Press rankings for the first time in eight years, at No. 14, and have qualified for their first bowl bid since 2001.
Stanford is playing its best football of late, beating then-No. 7 Oregon 51-42 last week and knocking off No. 11 USC 55-21 on Saturday to move into the thick of the Pac-10 race.
"I didn't expect that (final score)," Harbaugh said after the game. "I expected if the team played well and executed, I felt good we could win. I'm really proud of the players. They really stepped up today. I was put-up or shut-up time for Stanford football, and our guys came out focused and loose and did what we had to do to win."
The Cardinal can earn a Rose Bowl bid by beating California at home next week and getting losses by Oregon, Oregon State and Arizona down the stretch.
Toby Gerhart rushed for 178 yards and three touchdowns, Andrew Luck threw two touchdown passes and Stanford used a 27-point fourth quarter to hand the Trojans their worst loss since a 51-0 defeat at home against Notre Dame in 1966.
"I think we surprised them a little bit," Gerhart said. "They're USC, and they've been the premier Pac-10 team and an elite team in college football. We've been an underdog program, a program on the rise. To come out and make a statement today about where we are says great things about this program."
With Harbaugh calling plays for an offense that features Gerhart and Luck, Stanford is 10th in the nation in scoring offense at 36.1 points per game and 10th in rushing offense at 222.4 yards per game.
The Cardinal are looking to lock Harbaugh up with a long-term deal before NFL teams or other colleges come calling after him. Harbaugh figures to be a hot candidate for many open jobs despite his public proclamations that he wants to stay at Stanford.
Before coming to Stanford, Harbaugh coached three seasons at San Diego, which was a non-scholarship Division I-AA school. Harbaugh previously was an assistant in the NFL with the Oakland Raiders. He played 15 years in the NFL, leading the Indianapolis Colts to the 1995 AFC championship game.
Harbaugh is currently in the third year of a five-year contract.
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Irish Eyes.
Mental errors, poor execution, an inconsistent running game, sloppy tackling...did I mention impossibly poor punting? All of the usual November suspects played a role in Notre Dame's 27-22 loss to another beatable opponent Saturday night.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:20 pm | #
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Jim
That only means folks are looking hard at him.. wonder if Michigan is out hunting??
jmc | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:20 pm | #
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jmc; I think Harbaugh torched that bridge last year, when he accused UM of not giving a $hit about used up football players, and UM's negligence in academic and social support systems for the Black Athlete.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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From the Elkhart Newspaper.
Sunday, November 15, 2009
Irish mood "dismal"
Notre Dame linebacker Brian Smith didnt have much to say after Saturday nights loss to Pittsburgh his six-question post-game press conference lasted all of 45 seconds but it didnt take many words to describe how the Irish are feeling after dropping to 6-4.
Its a dismal mood right now, Smith said.
Irish players pledged to soldier on with the season, which has gone south in stunning fashion in November for the second year in a row.
I dont see it as the seasons over with, receiver Golden Tate said. Im coming out tomorrow and Im looking to getting better. Im looking forward to next week, to get on the field and get a win.
The Irish insist they never thought ahead to a possible Bowl Championship Series berth something that now is far off the table. The New Years Day Gator Bowl might also be out of the question now.
None of us were talking about the BCS in the locker room, quarterback Jimmy Clausen said. It was the media and everyone else talking about that. The only thing we focus on in the locker room is the task at hand practicing that day and getting ready to play that next opponent.
As far as Saturdays game goes, Smith said the Irish were ready to play.
His teammates agreed.
We fully expected to win this game, safety Kyle McCarthy said. We had a great game plan.
Again, though, it wasnt enough.
The team knows that they fought their butts off there in the fourth quarter, coach Charlie Weis said. On the one side, thats the positive. On the negative side, you got into that situation, and when you put yourself down three scores, usually at the end of the day, the result that happened (tonight) is what you come up with.
Weis again dodged big-picture questions and refused to even look past next Saturday afternoon, when the Irish play host to Connecticut.
Were not worrying about the next two weeks, Weis said. Were worrying about the next one week. Were worrying out tomorrow and Monday and Tuesday. Were coming home to play our last home game, the seniors last game, and last year when we did that, Syracuse rolled into town and we lost.
GOOD SUBSTITUTION
Notre Dame originally had John Goodman on the field to receive the Pittsburgh punt with 7 ½ minutes remaining in the game, but the Irish changed their plan and sent Tate out there just in time to return the kick 87 yards for the touchdown that made it 27-22.
Goody was out on the field and we got Golden out there because hes the one guy that, when he gets the ball in his hands, has a chance of making a big play, Weis said. When he took that punt return and took it to the house, that put us in a position where we had an opportunity to win the game.
TAUSCH OUT
Starting kicker Nick Tausch pulled up lame during pregame warmups, leaving David Ruffer to start. Ruffer kicked a 42-yard field goal and averaged 65.2 yards on his kickoffs, including a touchback.
When I came out, Coach (Brian) Polian came up to me and it looked like hed seen a ghost, Weis said. I said, Whats the matter? He said, 40 cant kick. I said, What do you mean he cant kick? He said, The ball didnt get 10 feet off the ground when he was kicking in warmups. So you go to the next guy. What are your alternatives at that point?
PUNTING PROBLEMS
Weis got a disgusted look on his face when he was asked about Notre Dames punting game, which on Saturday amounted to five kicks for an average of 24.5 yards by senior Eric Maust.
Not only did we not punt it well, then we dropped a snap, Weis said. It was a disappointing performance by the kickers, to say the least.
The Irish didnt even have the option to go to backup Ben Turk, because he didnt make the trip to Pittsburgh.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:26 pm | #
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Recalling Justin Tuck's comments post spring Game. ND players not being in footBall shape.
Brian Smith was gassed on the 2nd play of the game. He was gulping air like a fish out of water.
I wonder if CW runs gassers?
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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Put the billboard back up
When did ND last play for a National Championship? When was the last season that ND was relevant in college football? Quit living in the past because that boat has sailed. ND can't play with the big boys and it's been that way for the last fifteen years. Get a grip on reality. ND isn't more than a mediocre football team and it has nothing to do with Charlie Weis. He is just continuing the trend the the several of the coaches before him started. 2 National Championships in 32 years doesn't make you relevant.
Delusional ND fan | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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DNDFan. ND is relevant, show me another program in this country that people give a $hit about outside the provences of their state.
Every talks show, college and pro footBall show continually talk about ND, their demographics is national, not state wide or region wide.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:32 pm | #
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And the fact that we have trolls from other college teams popping in here to tell us how irrelevant we are proves just how relevant we are to college football.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:47 pm | #
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New York Daily News.
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Sunday, November 15, Dame comes up short against Pittsburgh Panthers after debatable ! BuzzDeliciousPropeller.. Notre Dame comes up short against Pittsburgh Panthers after debatable fumble
Dick Weiss
Sunday, November 15th 2009, 4:00 AM
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Srakocic/APDion Lewis runs for 50-yard touchdown and eighth-ranked Pittsburgh hangs on to beat Notre Dame Saturday night. Related NewsSunday Morning QB: Giants tell NFL, Thanks for nothin'Weiss: Sorry Charlie on hot seat.
PITTSBURGH - Notre Dame finally ran out of miracles.
The Irish, who had been able to rally for fourth-quarter comeback victories over Michigan State, Purdue, Washington and Boston College this season, almost pulled off a fifth one against Pittsburgh Saturday night, but came up short, falling, 27-22, to the No. 8 Panthers.
Held to three points until the fourth quarter, Notre Dame scored 19 points and had a chance to drive for a winning touchdown before a controversial fumble by quarterback Jimmy Clausen.
Golden Tate, the Irish's spectacular junior wide receiver, whom Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt called the best player he had seen on tape all season, scored on an 18-yard pass from Clausen and returned a punt 87 yards for another touchdown, getting the Irish within five after they had trailed 27-9.
But it wasn't quite enough.
"I think the team knows they fought their butts off in the fourth quarter," Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis said. "That's the positive. But the negative side is you got yourself into a situation when you put yourself down three scores and at the end of the day, the result that happened is what you're going to come up with."
The Panthers (9-1) punted on the next possession after Tate's return, but defensive end Greg Romeus forced Clausen into a fumble on a play where it looked like Clausen's arm was going forward. Nose tackle Miles Caragein recovered at the Pitt 28 with 2:10 left, and Dion Lewis iced the game by rushing for a first down with the Irish out of timeouts.
Notre Dame was supposed to be headed to a BCS game with a weak schedule this year. Instead, the Irish (6-4) are on the same downhill slide they went through in 2008, when they lost the last three games of the regular season.
The national media is circling Weis like a flock of vultures. There was open discussion in the press box as the game progressed about potential successors to Weis, with reporters tossing around names such as Brian Kelly of Cincinnati, former NFL coach Jon Gruden, Paul Johnson of Georgia Tech and Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern.
Weis has two games left this season - one against Connecticut at home and the other at high-scoring Stanford - and perhaps in his tenure.
Pitt fans apparently have already decided on Weis' fate, chanting "Goodbye Charlie" early in the fourth quarter after Lewis, a dynamic freshman, broke the game open with a 50-yard touchdown run.
Then Weis pulled out all the stops. Down 20-3, Notre Dame had fourth-and-1 on its 40-yard line and Weis went for it, exhaling when Clausen hit sophomore wideout Michael Floyd with a 45-yard bomb to give the Irish a first down on the Pitt 15. Clausen eventually scored on a 1-yard keeper, but David Ruffner missed the extra point
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:53 pm | #
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Sorry, Charlie, but I didn't see the team playing their butts off in the fourth quarter. I saw Tate and Clausen (more Tate than Clausen) playing their asses off, but I saw the same listless play on the offensive line and spotty tackling in the secondary that I saw all game.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:57 pm | #
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I'll bite. In the last 32 years, only 5 titles for Miami and 3 titles for each of Alabama, Florida, and Nebraska are more than ND's two. USC has a case for 3 perhaps. FSU, LSU, Oklahoma, and Penn State have two titles like ND. I trust you are notifying those 4 teams' fans of their irrelevance also.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 10:58 pm | #
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Louie
Nope because all of those teams with 2 titles outside of Penn State has played in a National Championship within the last ten years. Not one championship game for ND in 20+ years. Oklahoma has played in what 4 this decade. That my friend is relevant.
Delusional ND fan | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:02 pm | #
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Thoughts on a top 5 for candidates, in no particular order. Go.
Mine:
Jon Gruden
Chris Petersen (Boise St.)
Brian Kelly
Gary Patterson
Jim Harbaugh
Sucks because we have to rebuild again. These players, in spite of all their talent, seem to have lost instincts. Tate and JC play their butts off, but the Oline and D is guessing the entire game.
Something profound to remember which I think Charlie never understood was that these kids are 18-23 years old. They cannot grasp an NFL playbook. They need simplicity. What they learn as freshman should be enough for them to be productive as freshman. You need that to compete in college football.
Where Now? | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:08 pm | #
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You beat me to it Louie. Don't forget 1 each for Texas, Ohio St., Michigan, Tennessee in 32 years.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:10 pm | #
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Please define your term, Delusional, so that we don't have to play Calvin-ball. You did not say "title game appearances". Apparently statistics are as irrelevant to you as the Irish. If so, please go your merry way and don't waste another thought on our tiny corner of the media market.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:13 pm | #
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Keep believing your own hype. You will win a National Championship in the next 50 years when college football goes back to the old days. Good luck the rest of the way. Maybe your team can win whatever lame bowl they go to this year. I hope you fans get Kelly and in 5 years when he hasn't won a national championship, what will your excuses be then.
Delusional ND fan | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:21 pm | #
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Speaking of Brian Kelly, here's an interesting comment in the latest article by SI's Stewart Mandel:
After covering Cincinnati in person, I believe the Bearcats -- while certainly fun to watch -- aren't in the same realm as Florida/Alabama/Texas. There's no disputing their offensive firepower, but their defense isn't BCS-caliber. They'd also suffer in a national-title matchup due to their lack of a physical red-zone option.
Sounds painfully familiar to me. If I knew how to grow a great defense, either with the current head coach or a new one, that's where I'd start. Sadly, I have no clue.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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The new coach has to build around running the ball and playing defense, and winning the line of scrimmage. That is what football is all about. As simple as it sounds, it is a lost art. Everyone gets excited about the passing game, but defense and controlling the clock allows you to win anytime, anywhere.
Where Now? | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:30 pm | #
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Its not that I Don't understand what all the WEIS haters say. I just don't want a new guy to come in and have to start all over. In all of our loses this year we have had a shot at winning the game our team is a family and fights to the end.
I just look at where this program is right now and it is in better shape now than when weis first started. I want us to be great and if WEIS has to go than I will support the next guy. Weis can't beat the refs and neither can ND nation. I just really think that some people want NotreDame down Forever. This year the REFS have been the worst I have ever seen. THEY ARE ALWAYS against us. If WEIS stays or goes Blue&Gold will still pump threw my heart. GO IRISH BEAT UCONN.
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:32 pm | #
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Chip did the refs beat us last year and the year prior to that also? How many points per game do you think the refs are responsible for? Would you mind posting a schedule with revised scores so we can figure out exactly what are record would have been if the refs would not have been a part of a vast conspiracy to screw Notre Dame?
Who is in charge of this conspiracy in your mind? The same guys who set up the Kennedy assassination? Or are they the guys who faked the moon landings?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:38 pm | #
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our not are in the revised schedule sentence. I shouldn't type while laughing.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:39 pm | #
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My coaching picks:
1. Bob Stoops (huge long shot, but why not at least ask?)
2. Brian Kelly
3. Gary Patterson
4. John Gruden
5. Chris Peterson (too many former Boise coaches have choked after leaving)
me | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:46 pm | #
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With regards to Harbaugh, the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that Stanford is close to finalizing a contract extension, so it looks like he's off the hypothetical next-year HC board.
NDFollower | Email | Homepage | 11.15.09 - 11:54 pm | #
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Agreed on Harbaugh, I'm not really sold on Kelly, and Petersen... who knows with those Boise coaches? Though I've heard that he stands to be credited for the success that Hawkins had there.
As for blaming the refs, terrible path to take. We did not deserve to even be in the position that we were. Even if we had another play to run, it would have been 4th and 16 and our O-line would have gotten dominated again. They can't block. I know we'll get set back a couple years, but IMHO better to do it know than have another couple of years of this crap.
Where Now? | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:04 am | #
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Brian Hamilton, Chicago Trib.
Home > Sports > College sports Notre Dame AD won't rush to judgment on coach Charlie Weis' future
Jack Swarbrick will 'make sure I've got the full season's worth of information' before making final evaluation
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In a hotel elevator hours before the most portentous game of his embattled football coach's tenure, Notre Dame athletics director Jack Swarbrick noted the quiet week he'd had, what with the raging fan inferno and his practically booby-trapped e-mail inbox.
Imagine the Hazmat suit Swarbrick will don following the Irish's loss to No. 8 Pittsburgh, another underwhelming Saturday in another troubling November for Charlie Weis. Still, a day after that gut shot, Swarbrick adhered to his stance of waiting until season's end to pronounce judgment.
"Let's let it finish out," Swarbrick said Sunday. "We said at the beginning of the season that we wanted to be in contention for and in the discussion of the (Bowl Championship Series) bowls, and for a while we were. But we didn't stay in contention as long as any of us would have liked.
"It's not like you don't evaluate during the year; you evaluate all year. But my practice is to make sure I've got the full season's worth of information and then conclude the evaluation."
There will be much to discuss. The latest deflation saddled Weis with the same overall record as Bob Davie (35-25) and made Notre Dame 0-for-its-last-8 against top 10 teams under Weis' watch.
Were change afoot or not, it would seem to behoove administrators to work quickly and decisively. But Swarbrick currently doesn't see reason to veer much from last year's timeline, when he met with Weis on the Tuesday after a season-ending evisceration at USC.
"I thought from a perspective of timing and communication, last year's process worked well," Swarbrick said.
Another element that won't change: The irrelevance of Weis' buyout. It wasn't an issue as the Irish stumbled to a 6-6 regular season in 2008. The latest report pegs the buyout at $18 million, but regardless it's "not a factor" again in 2009, according to Swarbrick.
"The only way to make these decisions is in the context of the program and the student-athletes," Swarbrick said. "You have to isolate on those things, because that's what matters. The other issues are things you work with, you figure out one way or another."
Meanwhile, Weis' usual Sunday news conference was canceled, the given reason being a late arrival home from Pittsburgh. Though it's unlikely he would have added much to his myopic focus from the night before.
"You only can play the next game," Weis said after Saturday's game. "You can't worry about the game you just played, or the game two games away."
Really, it's what comes after these two games that matters, anyway.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:24 am | #
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Harbaugh should be our next coach-- he has the kind of intensity we have been lacking, and his kids respond in kind--plus he knows how to win with the kind of kids who have to meet high academic standards. Plus--he's beaten USC 2 out of the last 3 years. (Who has B. Kelly beaten?) As far as sportsmanship-- the priests can help coach him to be nice, but they can't teach leadership, and he's got that. The beatdown he put on USC was like the old ND under Ara-- solid fundamental line play on both sides of the ball, a tough run game, and a balanced passing game.
Farley 114 | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:36 am | #
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Wow, lots of good discussion, some "delusional" discussion as well.
1. As has been stated many times, no one expects ND to go 13-0 and win the NC every year. Stating "when was the last time they did that? Quit living in the past" is rhetorical misdirection. Because ND hasn't won an NC in the last 20 years means they are incapable of competing now? That isn't the reason we can't compete--it's the reason we're upset.
2. There's a definite attitude of fear and despair in the "Keep Weis" crowd. They don't want to "rebuild" or feel the "refs" are the cause of our woes or "ND can't compete anymore since we haven't in 20 years". What they're really saying is they're afraid--they believe ND is done, they believe the anti-ND hype that says standards are too high, that ND can't get the "XX athlete" (fill in with "black", "fast", "5-star", whatever you want). They feel the best we can do is the current 8-4, 7-5 level...and since Charlie got us to the BCS twice, MAYBE, if the stars aline again, he can do it again. They're ready to take the 8-4 standards, because they believe all they read that tells them ND will never be a national power again. They fear that if we change coaches, we'll drop back down and have to work to get back up to the "8-4" level--it will be a step backwards, and we may get the wrong guy and never get there, so let's just keep what we have and settle for that.
Personally, I'm starting to feel a little sad for them. There's absolutely no reason ND can't be at the Top 10, competing for BCS games/taking shots at the NC. Weis, to his credit (and a major reason I will always like him) proved that we can recruit with the elite schools. Players go where they think they can win and develop skills for the NFL. Sure, sunshine and bikinis are nice, but an NC and an NFL contract are nicer. Smart kids want to win too. We can get good, smart, kids. Maybe it's more work, since we can't have coeds lined up to take them "on a tour" as soon as a recruit gets off the bus. That's fine. It can still be done. Someone else put it well--Charlie showed us his first two years that it's possible; his major fault may have been showing us we could still compete, but being incapable of laying the foundations for sustaining that. The "Keep Charlie, this is the best we can do, it's not his fault, it's a conspiracy against ND by the refs and everyone else" is the ultimate in defeatism. These fans are the "battered wives" of sports. "Hold me, I'm Irish". We need to give them a hug, let them know that just like Oklahoma, just like Florida with Spurrier and then Meyer, just like Ohio State, just like USC, just like Texas, all it takes is finding that right coach. Don't stay with the husband that toys with and abuses you, ladies. Find that guy that will treat you right.
3. Chip cracked a little. I love it. He's human.
4. I would love for someone to show me the statistics on Brian Kelly's use of Juco's--I can't find anything on it, yet I see people using it as a reason not to take him. I think it's just a baseless assumption people are making. Show me he came in and created a team out of juco's. Honestly, I'd like to know, because it WOULD affect my opinion of him. I already posted the statistics from UHND showing Cincinatti is one of the better academic football programs in the country. I think he's getting a bad rap because of the Bob Huggins shenanigans with UC's basketball team. Somebody, please come up with numbers (and show your source) that we can discuss. Otherwise, quit assuming things.
Louie: Speaking of BK, I appreciate you posting the comments from Stewart Mandel. I will point out that his best recruiting class is in the 40's, so he's not doing what he's doing with BCS talent. Look at his trend, though--always consistently up. Is there any reason to believe that if he stays at Cinci, that next year he wouldn't have a better, stouter defense and a red zone offense that could challenge traditional BCS teams? No one is claiming Cinci should be in the NC game and that's why we should hire him. I'll admit, I'm also very interested in Patterson now, because TCU is the new "hot thing". It'll be interesting to see if Swarbrick does anything and goes to both to see which might be interested.
5. Weis the "Offensive Genius": Maybe he once was. I certainly thought he was after 2005. Somewhere, somehow, though, that degenerated into what we have now. I watch/listen to our games, and there's no imagination anymore, there's no "genius". I first saw it in 2005 and 2006, when as much as I loved Brady Quinn, so much of our offense was lobbing the ball up for Shark and MoSto/McKnight to make a play on it. I'm all for utilizing our best players one on one and letting them beat their man, but that's not offensive genius, that's simply letting athletes play. There's no "schematic advantage" to throwing a jump ball to Michael Floyd or Golden Tate. The last great play design I can remember, where I thought "Holy Crap, this guy is a genius", was BYU 2005. Mo Sto raped BYU's secondary all day, had 4 TD's, the greatest of which was the fake to the flat they'd been running all day (once for a TD) and go. I saw that from a hotel room in Hawaii and was floored. But since then?
Weis has gotten caught up in his own "genius" label. I'm a genius, I have to come up with something new..but he never really does. We tinker with the spread for Demetrius Jones to run, but only for that. We start a game 5 wide spread no huddle, then turn into a wildcat team, or we try to pound it up the middle without teaching our line how to block. We have NO identity. We try to fool the defense, but we don't learn what we're doing enough to execute it. That's why we can't play worth a darn for most of the game, but can come back at the end of a half or game on "scramble mode"--because then it's not about "scheme", it's about talented players we have making plays. That's all Weis has ever had going for him.
6. Lastly, another word on expectations: whoever the next coach is, or even if it's Weis, let's be honest: a National Championship is the result of talent + preparation x luck. If a coach doesn't win the NC in the next 5 years, that's okay. However, to even be in the discussion, you have to be consistently good. You don't get NC consideration by going 3-9, 7-5, and 7-5. You've got to get close before you can get there. ND's expectations are to be in the discussion. Frank Beamer has never won the NC, but he gets his team close enough to be in the discussion most years. (Spare me the "not this year!!!11!! talk--yeah, it's a down year. If Weis had that kind of a "down year", we'd not be talking about firing him).
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:38 am | #
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I suppose I'm the only optimist that doesn't believe we'll be set back several years. Historical trend is for a new coach to come in and have success right away, only for his shortcomings to come forward after a few years and he flames out. To me, that's what I'm more afraid of--that we might have short term success but not long term. If Kelly, Gruden, Peterson, Santa Claus, whomever comes in and wins a BCS game next year, I'm going to be looking for reasons they can sustain it before I believe fully (I will, however, party like it's 1993 though!)
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:42 am | #
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Harbaugh also recently soundly beat a very good Oregon team--does anyone seriously think Cincinnati would beat USC and Oregon?
Farley 114 | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:50 am | #
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Santa Claus, Nate? How 'bout Eddie Van Halen? Then we can call our wildcat the Wyld Stallyns... and THAT is why the Irish need Eddie Van Halen!
It's bedtime here -- keep safe, and thank you for making it easier to sleep.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:54 am | #
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NY Times.
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AnalysisOutlook Grim in South Bend, and Dim for B.C.S.
By PETE THAMEL
Published: November 15, 2009
The one theme of this college football season has been its predictability. Just take a peek at next weeks feeble slate of games. There are no games between top-25 teams in the Associated Press poll, something virtually unheard of this late in the season. The top three teams in the country No. 1 Florida, No. 2 Alabama and No. 3 Texas play Florida International, Chattanooga and woefully underachieving Kansas. That means three teams that are 30-0 will beat up on three teams that are 14-16.
Back-to-back losses to Navy and Pittsburgh have revived speculation about Notre Dame Coach Charlie Weis's job security.
NOTRE DAME The Charlie Weis era appears to be fading into the sunset in South Bend. The Irish have lost back-to-back games to Navy and Pittsburgh, falling to 6-4, and they host plucky Connecticut and travel to No. 14 Stanford to complete the season. In his fifth year, Weis has a 35-25 record, in the same neighborhood as his predecessors Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham.
The Irishs new athletic director, Jack Swarbrick, told reporters over the weekend that the six years remaining on Weiss gigantic contract would not influence his job status. There have been multiple and varied reports of just how much a buyout of Weiss contract would be. (The Sporting News reported $18 million on Sunday.) To be safe, just say it is an excessive amount of money, especially in this economy.
The top candidate to replace Weis would probably be Cincinnati Coach Brian Kelly. He has won at every level of college football and has the No. 5 Bearcats, with a revamped defense and a revolving door at quarterback, on the cusp of their second consecutive Bowl Championship Series berth.
Perhaps more important, he is everything that Weis is not charismatic, comfortable shaking hands and a proven winner in the college game.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:58 am | #
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Good presentation, Nate.
Kell is not using JC's at UC. both Rivals & Scout account for JC's in their recruiting list.
The new President at UC, put a stop to the shennanigans of Huggins et al.
Maybe those posters are getting UC, confused with the Bengals.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:15 am | #
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I just really wanted WEIS To win. He is a ND guy, I'm 26 yrs old and was five when ND won it all. I just see us back on the recruiting trail with top teams, I dream big .I Have not seen that since LOU left.
I read all of WEIS stats and I really can't say much more, HE made me eat crow I go to the end for WEIS with all of my friends and when the game is over ND loses and I'm lost for words.
I just hope this team Wins out for them for NotreDame win for our FANS. I still say IN WEIS WE TRUST because he is our guy. I can't wait till saturday its the last home game and I want to win. For as the refs it still is bull crap. GOD BLESS and GO IRISH
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:19 am | #
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If Chuck leaves does that mean Weis' dad is gone too?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:59 am | #
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Chip--Big props, man. We all wanted Weis to win. Well, 90% of us, you can't please everyone. But yeah, no one wants the team to fail. There are several great prospects out there, and whomever the Admin chooses (cough Kelly cough), I will want them to win. Even Gruden.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:29 am | #
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Farley 114: I think Cinci has a much better chance than ND would of beating USC or Oregon. And they'd do it with 3-star players.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:32 am | #
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Yeah, ND is irrelevnt. SF Chronicle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar.../
SP261AL0H4.DTL
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:10 am | #
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More ND irrelevancy. Washington Post.
Who is that @$$hat, who made that comment?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...9111502588.html
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:18 am | #
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From the Stanford Daily. This guy is Pi$$ing on Jim Harbaugh's parade. I hope someone is pi$$ing on Valerie Jarret(sp) 0bama's in house "slum-lord," another Stanford grad.
Oh yeah, the column.
http://www.stanforddaily.com/cgi...-bin/?
p=1036047
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:36 am | #
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Louie
I think I would give Kelly's D a pass for right now. They lost 10 guys on D from last year and as of this week ranked 34. If ND had a D ranked that high, they would be undefeated this year since all of their losses have been squeakers. ND's D had 55 more yards per game. ND is ranked 83. Cincy gives up about 1.5 less YPP than ND. ND has one of the worst YPP in the country.
GB | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:15 am | #
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jim masterson:
the fact that you post some dribble every 5 minutes for the last 48 hours proves that ND is the most relevant team in all of college football. certainly not the best, but the most relevant.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 8:20 am | #
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belocki, you and masterson are making the same point. he was referring to a poster last night who kept spouting off that notre dame was irrelevant.
me | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 9:52 am | #
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Can ND upset against UCONN this Saturday?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:02 am | #
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Gruden just signed an extension with ESPN, so he is now not available to coach at Notre Dame.
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:03 am | #
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belocki; I post so the aides that are assigned to you in the Home, may read them for your sorry @$$.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:12 am | #
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Masterson, that was comedy gold.
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:18 am | #
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First, the words "genius" and "football coach" should never be used in the same sentence, unless the sentence goes something like "He ain't no genius, he's a football coach."
Re Brian Kelly and academics, Cincinnati has a graduation success rate (GSR) of 73% for football - that tops among the top 10 teams, and among the top in the top 25. Well below ND's 94%, but well ahead of USC's 54%, Texas's 50%, Alabama's 55% and Boise State's 55%. Not all of the credit for the GSR can go to Kelly, but it probably indicates that he buys into what the University of Cincinnati has required are a reaction to Huggins.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:22 am | #
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The Notre Dame vs Conn game appears to not be a gimme, though Conn is just 4-5. Here is Conn's 2009 Schedule
1. @ Ohio, W 23-16
2. No. 19 North Carolina, L 12-10
3. @ Baylor, W 30-22
4. Rhode Island, W 52-10
5. @ Pittsburgh, L 24-21
6. Louisville, W 38-25
7. @ No. 23 West Virginia, L 28-24
8. Rutgers L 28-24
9. @ No. 5 Cincinnati, L 47-45
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:40 am | #
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Lets just hope we dont hear anything about Kelly signing any extensions in the next few weeks. I see alot of rumors floating around on ND blogs that Weis will resign for health reasons and Kelly is already signed. We can only hope that it will be that simple.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:43 am | #
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Joe, do you mean like Navy was a gimme?
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:44 am | #
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Here is a link to some information regarding Univ of Cincinnati's reliance on JUCO's. Looks like of the 26 recruits signed last year, 4 were JUCO transfers.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/r...26season%
3d2009
Mark G | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:05 am | #
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I got it slightly wrong - only 3 of the 4 transfers in 2009 were JUCO transfers - the other was a transfer from a Div 1 school.
Looking at that same link, shows only one transfer the year before - Demetrius Jones.
Mark G | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:09 am | #
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I looked at the Univ of Cincinnati roster on the schools website. Looks to me that there are three (3) junior college transfers on the roster.
(Austin Cook, Sr., Joliet J.C.; Jamar Howard, Jr., College of Sequoia; and M.J. James, So., El Camino J.C.)
Two of these three probably were signed by Kelly.
Mark G | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:34 am | #
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Just read about the contract extension for Harbaugh at Stanford. We always pride ourselves on being an academically superious school, so it's safe to assume that ND brass would also be bright, no? I am really envious of Stanford's AD or whoever makes decisions - gave Harbaugh regular 5-year initial contract, waited to see what he can accomplish and in year 3, after MARKED improvement from a 1-win team in 2006 to a 7-win (and counting) team with 2 away defeats at USC, they gave him an extension and not after "the most impressive loss" of ND :-(((((((
Airman | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:36 am | #
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Gruden just signed multi year deal with MNF. For those who don't like our schedule, what schedule are you playin? Most Big 10 teams have scheduled 3 cream puffs. I say do away with cream puffs and lets get a 16 team bracket at the end of the year to settle this thing.
t | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:44 am | #
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3 JUCO's is hardly building the program with them. Thank you Mark G and Anonymous for finding that info.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:07 pm | #
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FWIW -
Not sure if this is true, but from a quasi-reliable source in the form of a Bellman at the South Bend Marriott.
A room for one Brian Kelly has been booked for Thursday of this week.
Whether this is THE Brian Kelly has not yet been determined.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:07 pm | #
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Another guy to look at might be Greg Schiano of Rutgers.
Wins bowl games, built up a so- so tradition [ I am speaking in the last 50 years not 1869}....wins Bowl Games.
What about him?
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:14 pm | #
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If Weis was an honorable person,he would just admit this job is too big for him and resign.He does not deserve 18 million either.If you break down plays and mistakes made both offensively and defensively in games and pay Weis accordingly,he would owe the University money.I cannot believe people on defense still don`t know where to line up let alone where they are supposed to go on the snap.
Thank you for providing a place to vent or I`d be in jail by now.
irishjh2 | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:14 pm | #
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Oh yeah, Rutgers is nationally ranked too.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:15 pm | #
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Ara Parseigian was barely .500 at Northwestern before coming to ND. So screw W/L records, okay?
Wanstache could say "My no star just juked your four star out of his jockstrap," right now, but he's too classy.
How high is Golden Tate's stock now?
He's outstanding, he keeps on carrying a dead team, he hasn't been ruined by the worst HC in College Football, Captain Howdy.
Golden Tate is so gone after this year, and who on earth could blame him?
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:18 pm | #
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Gruden gone....now Harbaugh. And neither of these men may have even been in consideration for an as-yet-to-even-be-vacant head coaching job. If Weis goes (and he should IMO) this is starting to feel like all of the other searches where Choice 7 becomes the hire.
As the Florida AD said about Ron Zook, "what must be done eventually, shoud be done immediately". Do it NOW, salvage recruiting, create an appropriate transition, Weis can coach out the regular season string (maybe even the bowl). This allows the incoming coach to make their pitch to Clausen, who would be the #1 QB prospect coming into next year if he stays (Snead likely gone, Bradford, McCoy, future tight end Tebow, CMU QB, Keenum likely gone). Albeit the salary cap would be gone come that year.
The incoming Holtz transition worked fine. Urban to Florida worked fine. This can be done correctly, but needs to be done now.
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:19 pm | #
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Are we going to get a BGS post about who the candidates are to replace Charlie?
I like Kelly, but I think flying under the radar is Butch Davis at UNC.
Mark | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:19 pm | #
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Good idea Mark.
Schiano and Davis are two good "under the radar" examples.
Any imput from people more familiar with thes two?
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:26 pm | #
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I love Clausen and Tate, but it doesn't matter to me whether they go or stay. Niether one of them is going to make any difference without the proper coaching.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:29 pm | #
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schiano - no, he seems to have the persona down, but he beats up on howard and del state all the time. his schedule is usually one of worst in big east every year.
butch davis? no way. he lost to uva. enough said
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:29 pm | #
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Speaking of Delaware I am still looking for Michigan to play the U of Delaware.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:32 pm | #
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What Ron Zook was to Urban Meyer, Charlie Weis will be to Brian Kelly? Not the greatest analogy because that makes Golfingham Steve Spurrier...
My 5, in no particular order:
Brian Kelly
Patterson at TCU
Mike Stoops
Pat Fitzgerald
How come no one has mentioned Charlie Strong, Florida's DC? I know he's never been a head coach, but I think he should get more pub.
Broom | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:38 pm | #
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Both The Chicago sun-times and ESPN have reported that Bob Stoops has displayed interest in the ND head coaching job. Thoughts?
Shaun | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:40 pm | #
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And to those anticipating that a coaching change means a 6-6 year and more rebuilding...even with the absence of Clausen and Tate, the cupboard is no less bare than most top 20 programs in the country. If Crist can come back from his knee in the spring he would be in his third year of college football and surrounded at least (on paper) many 4 star players. There is no other sport in the world where coaching has such an impact as football. And to those decrying Kelly, please make sure to reference the 10 players lost on D and the loss of Pike in what was meant to be a down year when discussing how poor his team, and all the others he left for the better really are/were...
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:43 pm | #
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i think a coaching change has to ensure at least one down season.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 12:53 pm | #
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I don't know if my heart can take reading through this entire thread, but I am going to give it a go.
Yikes.
Dave in the Basement | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:02 pm | #
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Anonymous; I would use that handle, too, if I was giving a "bellman" as my source. Geez Louise. I made that res in that name 6 months ago, thinking the Irish would be 10-0.
How many juco's does Meyer, Saban, Kiffin, Carroll, etc., take each year.
OMG Kell takes Juco's!!!! The sky is falling.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:07 pm | #
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1pm in the east, not a peep out of the ND Athletic/FootBall dept.
Something's afoot boyz. I can smell it.
What this $hite about canceling the Sunday press conf., because CW got in too late. Shooosh, he gets by on 4 hrs. sleep.
I'm giddy with a new change and a new philosophy.
Love CW, as I did BD, and Tyrone, but, ya getting paid big bucks to deliver, so thanks for serving!!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:11 pm | #
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Charlie, thank you for '05 & '06 - you brought passion & excitement back to ND football. Thank you for disproving the BS about ND not being able to compete, not being able to attract big-time athletes. Thank you for accepting a bad situation, and not just bringing us back from the deathbed that was '07, but doing so w/out complaint. You're one of ours, and unlike your 2 immediate predecessors, you always will be. I wanted you to be the guy to bring it home, but unfortunately you have proved unable to take that last, big step. By your own standards, your program has not succeeded to the degree required in the time necessary, and to be honest that's putting it gently. I will always appreciate your hard work and commitment, but it's time for you to step down.
Obviously we've still got a season to finish, and if we win the next two I'd personally like to see you guide us through whatever bowl game we get to. But however painful it is, I hope you can recognize that stepping down is in the best interest of our University, and do so for the sake of our team.
"I have dreamed a dream... but now that dream is gone from me."
baIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:13 pm | #
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I think that when Belichick made that inconceivable gaffe last night and went for it on 4th and 2 from his own 28, he was really just fulfilling Charlie's dying (HC career) wish.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:22 pm | #
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Well said baIrish.
Barney Frank, hums that same tune on his way to the "White Swallow" Health Club.
"The Chair shall Suthpend."
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:26 pm | #
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Dana; The Bada Bing Club crowd comes with Greg S., via Rupters.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:27 pm | #
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Masterson is on a comedic roll this morning.
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:28 pm | #
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Btw, if we somehow land Stoops, then this born-&-raised Okie and Sooner fan will both rejoice and cry a little. Someone mentioned before the far-fetched possibility of a new, better, & defensive-minded HC coming in and retaining Charlie as OC. My absolute dream scenario would be that w/ Stoops!
But like I said, my Sooner-side would weep. And my OU-fanatic dad would probably never speak to me again... though he has it coming, as far as I'm concerned - the 1st and only time he attended an ND football game we lost to Navy for the 1st time in 44 years.
Always pains me to think about all the assistant coaches and their families, having to live through uncertainty and upheaval. Guess that's why the make 6 figures, though.
Go Irish! Beat Huskies!
baIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:36 pm | #
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I agree with Nate that three JUCO transfers on the roster, none of whom looks to be starting or even playing significant time, is hardly building a program around them.
Based on a quick and not extensive review of recruiting results from 2009 and 2008 published by ESPN, it appeart that most but not all of the successful BCS teams do not have a lot of JUCO transfers. In '09 and '08 combined, the following teams signed the following number of JUCO transfers:
Florida - 3
Texas - 0
Alabama - 2
Boise St. - 2
Virginia Tech - 0
TCU - 3
Other schools have similar numbers:
Ohio St. - 1
LSU - 2
Penn St. - 0
I was surprised to see that USC signed only 3 JUCO transfers in past two years, given rumors about the Poodle parking players at junior colleges. Then again, my information is from ESPN, so it is inherently suspect.
By comparison, some teams appear to be highly dependent on JUCO's, based on the signings in the past two years:
Oregon - 9 (including Lagarrett Blount)
Houston - 9
Arizona St. - 8
My guess is that (i) the difference is largely the result of the philosophy of the coach, depending on whether they want to build or buy the talent (just as different companies have different approaches), (ii) coaches like Mac Brown can recruit and store enough talent that they do not need JUCO's, and (iii) there appears to be some correlation between being on the west coast or the southwest and the higher number of JUCO transfers (probably correlating to the higher number of junior colleges in California that play football).
Mark G | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:40 pm | #
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do you think lou holtz could ever return as head coach?
brian custer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:50 pm | #
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No, but his son might.
Lest we all forget Skip was last year's flavor-of-the-week (year) w/ East Carolina.
Still nobody talking about Tommy Tuberville, which surprises me.
baIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 1:53 pm | #
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To atone for the dismissal of Tyrone Willingham, appear as politically correct as possible, and instantly obtain approval of the media, the new coach will be ....
Turner Gill.
first state irish | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:03 pm | #
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Lou Holtz would be an excellent choice to come in and coach the Bowl game - while the permanent head coach finishes off his season.
Holtz is a motivator, respected in community and he could sell Clausen and Tate the idea of staying for next year. Plus, he could salvage recruiting class, if bound to CW.
CW should do the right thing and voluntarily resign right now and not make Notre Dame pay him the $19 million. He already has enough money and he knows that he did not earn 10-yr contract extension. New England would hire him back to coach the next generation of QBs, now that Brady is playing footsie with the supermodel.
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:09 pm | #
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Gary Patterson is way to go 'gents.
Similiar campus, clean program, high academic standards and his players play with passion on every down.
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:18 pm | #
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I was just briefly watching the ND-MSU game from 1991 (a 49-10 victory for the Irish, and the first game I ever attended). The announcers made a comment about how Notre Dame players ALWAYS play up to and above their potential.
Joel D | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:20 pm | #
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JD, Holtz knew what buttons to push to get the players motors reved up to overdrive levels.
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:26 pm | #
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Nice one, masterson. Don't forget, he smokes a joint after the White Swallows.
Bob Stoops is a WINNER and has the fire and passion for the job, not to mention the name recognition and BCS history to instantly attract top recruits. It is NOT a pipe dream, I honestly believe we could get him and we should... NOW! Get it done JS!!!
Mack | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:26 pm | #
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Can anyone provide details on the pre-game kerfuffle that apparently involved Brian Smith?
Was it his often pre-game trash talking?
I've seen it alluded to but nothing explicit.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:33 pm | #
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49 hours and counting since the silence has engulfed Notre Dame.
I'd do what the Cubbies did in the late 60's, revolving HC's. Tommy Tuberville and Phil Fulmer.
Turner Gill, he's a good one. Buffalo was a pit, still is, but, TG has certainly made their FootBall team
something to notice.
Stoops, a good Catholic boy, from Youngstown, via Cardianl Mooney?
Harbaugh.
Kelly.
Fulmer.
Tuberville.
Wait for it boyz.
PRESENTING.
Shanahan of the Denver Bronco's ex.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:42 pm | #
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I think Stoops may see that this is the time to make an exit ... His Heisman candidate QB is going to hit the draft and I dont believe his Texas pipline is running particularly hot this year.
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:47 pm | #
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Harbaugh will end up in Michigan after the RichRod expirement. Something about him doesn't seem right.
Reminds me of the guy that's now at UCLA.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:47 pm | #
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Can't see any reason to follow the lead of the Cubbies, Jim. How many hours of silence from BGS now? Is anyone tracking their jet?
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:47 pm | #
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So what's the verdict guys? You guys think that they are giving Charlie the axe as we speak?
Giving him the ol "keep your chin(s) up, we need you to keep it classy out there, Champ" talk?
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:51 pm | #
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Diesel,
Yes.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:53 pm | #
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Maybe Weis will be on the "not at practice" list when the next set of "20 minutes" reports are published.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:54 pm | #
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Ashley
Heard on radio this morning that Harbaugh was considered in place of RichRod, but apparently ruffled too many feathers at UM....he may still be persona non grata....or maybe his success on the field erases old wounds.
Personally, either way, I think he has a screw loose, and I don't want to be hiring the next John L. Smith, who literally slapped himself upside the head at press conferences. Michigan can have him if they decide they want him.
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GoldenStateDomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:55 pm | #
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I'm with GSD on that one - What about Bill Cowher?
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 2:58 pm | #
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Agree with you G on the "screw loose" characterization.
Done an amazing job at Stanford, but I have this feeling he'll leave there after dropping a big turd of some sort--like neuheisel tends to do.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 3:00 pm | #
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My revised dream-team HC list, w/ emphasis on college HC success...
1. Stoops: Didn't even have him on my list before b/c I never dreamed he'd leave OU, but any news otherwise is good news to me, despite my Sooner allegiences. Even if he's lost his "big game" moniker, you can't argue w/ his consistent success at the college level, at the top of the pack. Some issues w/ players being boneheads (remember Rhett Bomar, anyone?), but I think he'd fit at ND. If he'd even CONSIDER coming here, then we MUST talk to him.
2. Kelly: Great success rate wherever he's been. Don't mind that he's only been at smaller-time schools as long as he can teach fundementals and inspire great play. Seems like high-quality coach, and seems like a realistic option.
3. Patterson: Like the parallels between TCU & ND, his related ability to run a clean program, and his success making a relatively-small school feared by the big boys (beat Stoops' Sooners couple years back... others). Has been known for great defenses, now suddenly lighting it up on O, too. Might not want to leave TCU; probably under-rated.
4. Tuberville: Might have some issues, but going 13-0 in the SEC goes a long way in my book. Good defense, would probably need a really good OC hire to help balance him out though. Been out of work for a year, though, and tapered off at Auburn.
5. Shanahan: Don't think it'll happen, but I'd be pretty happy if it did! Like his franchise/program-manager status, and ability to produce good O-Lines that make avg backs look great. Biggest concern relates to NFL vs College experience.
I just flat-out don't like Harbaugh. Remember watching him make an ass of himself raging onto our field to scream at the refs in '08. Enough little things like that, the little Clausen handshake thing, going for 2 just to rub it in (against SC), that one O-Lineman saying such intelligent things as "I don't like irish catholic people" (paraphrasing), etc all just combine to make me not want the guy. Plus, he's a Michigan guy, despite whatever their former RB says (I know Corwin is too, but he gets a free pass for knocking Keyshawn's head off that one time).
Dangit, Irish... you're making my productivity at work look as bad as your offense's productivity in the red zone!
*snap*
baIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 3:11 pm | #
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Can we just name the new coach already? Charlie Weis is gone and everybody knows it. I truly do hate it for him and the rest of his staff. He is a ND guy and wanted this team to succeed. However after 5 years he has shown that he isn't head coaching material.
He is an excellent QB's coach and a great offensive coordinator. He doesn't have a defensive mind and couldn't find the right guy in his time here.
Good luck Coach Weis wherever you go from here. You took over a very bad situation at the university, and you will leave it in a much better position. Unfortunately you weren't able to get the team over the hump.
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 3:17 pm | #
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I too heard some people mentioning Schiano as a possible candidate. He's got to be the second tier choice in my mind, at best, because he is basically averaging an 8-5 record since 2004. I ignored his first 3 years because he truly had rebuild that program from the garbage dump up. His record is similar to Weis' -- he's not going to cut it at ND.
BUT...There's a guy playing in Schiano's conference (i.e. similar schedule) that took a similarly crappy school with no real footbawl history to 10-2 the past 2 years and has them poised to go 12-0 this year. Just sayin. That said, we need to make sure we have some good backups to BK. Schiano ain't one of them in my book though.
Juanny Domer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 3:25 pm | #
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whomever we choose to be Notre Dame's next coach, i hope he understands that he's got some pretty big hoodies to fill.
wearing out my F key | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 3:30 pm | #
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Three no's:
1.) No coordinators. (Strong)
2.) No one who has failed in college already. (Tubberville)
3.) No NFL lifers (Shannahan, Gruden, Cower, etc.)
Mark | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 3:42 pm | #
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I agree with you Mark especially on Strong. We don't need another first time coach at ND. ND head coach isn't the place for on the job training. If there is one thing we learned from Charlie Weis, that should be it. I think it is imperative that we get a coach that has won somewhere else (cough Kelly cough)Sorry to steal your line Nate but I do like it.
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 3:48 pm | #
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Oh, and on Ferentz:
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com...ssault-case-at/
Does anyone remember O'Leary didn't get the job because he lied on a resume? FERENTZ TRIED TO COVER UP A RAPE IN ADDITION TO HAVING MULTIPLE PLAYERS ARRESTED FOR A LITTANY OF OFF THE FIELD ISSUES!!!!
I don't want a guy who can't win his confrence, has never beaten a team within that confrence on the road, has constantly been mentioned for NFL jobs, and covers up rape allegations.
Mark | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:09 pm | #
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F key, can't we just send the hoodies with Chuck as a parting gift? Lets buy the new guy some human sized ones.
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:15 pm | #
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joe,
Yeah, I know that Holtz was capable of motivating and pushing the right buttons and maximizing talent. The funny thing is, I was trying to get away from the negativity of the head coach talk and just boost my overall spirits about ND football. Within 2 minutes of watching that game from 18 years ago, I was jabbed in the stomach with the comment about how ND ALWAYS maximizes their talent. It just brought all of the negativity flooding back.
Don't get me wrong, it is not that I don't think that a new coach isn't a valid discussion point. It is just that it is being beat to death and reminds me of the recent failures of the Irish. And I look forward to ND football so much for 8 months out of the year, I hate to spend time during the season discussing next year. Yeah, I know that there isn't as much positive to talk about in this season as we would like. But I am fully expecting Tate and Jimmy to be gone, so I want to enjoy them now. I still enjoy going to home games and the tradition and the elation and the memories. I want to hear the same "WE ARE"..."ND" walking through tailgates on gameday that I am used to hearing in better years. Why spoil the experience by crying over Charlie and this play and that game and that part of the team? Or maybe you don't have fire Charlie discussions on campus and this is your place to vent?
I am not condemning the coach-speak, just giving my POV on why I avoid it. Come the end of the year, I am ready to discuss.
By the way, I am not a super optimistic rainbows and lollipops and we should all get along kind of guy. But I just feel that the doomsday talk throughout the season and at every loss is just sad. I want to live in the "now" a little bit, even if the "now" is being poisoned by the current leaders of ND football.
I'm not even quite sure what this little "rant" was about. I guess I am just looking for a venue to vent like many others on here. I just want to do more with my energy than list the bad things about Charlie everyday and make a list of replacement coaches and post it everyday.
Well, that might have ended up sounding like a little more of an attack on people on the message board than I intended. Sorry about that. This is really just a frustrated flow of thoughts resulting from some disappointments through the season (I don't think that I have to re-hash the disappointments).
Go Irish!
Joel D | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:22 pm | #
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Jerry:
We didn't learn the lesson about 1st-time head coaches with Davie, why should we consider it learned by Charlie?
GoldenStateDomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:41 pm | #
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A Chicago-born classmate of mine just brought up a good point.... Wonder what Ditka's up to these days? :)
GoldenStateDomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:45 pm | #
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Saw Muaria Weis carrying a box out of the gug maybe photos?? I think it is already started. Go Irish Beat UCONN
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:47 pm | #
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If weis Goes i hope it is for BIG GAME BOB
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:50 pm | #
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I like that ND has prohibited tracking of their private jet via the tail no.
Ashley Russell | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 4:54 pm | #
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5pm EST. The Silence is Deafening!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:03 pm | #
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PS. Yeah $crew Harbaugh, I had forgotten that statement by el grande gringo.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:04 pm | #
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To add shamelessly to the head coaching rumor mill...BC's former, and embarassed coach: Jeff Jagodzinski.
Sounds crazy but he sure did a bang up job against ND and at BC before his career "hiccup" in flirting with the NFL and getting canned from the Bucs. If I swallow my Blue and Gold pride and think about who ND could get, that has proven at least something at the college head coaching level, he is not terrible.
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:05 pm | #
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sonofason...
Definitely couldn't hurt to have someone with a chip on his shoulder agst. BC...
GoldenStateDomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:07 pm | #
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GoldenStateDomer
If they haven't learned it by now than I guess they never will. If this is the case ND football may be mired in mediocrity for quite some time. Oh how the trolls will just love that.
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:14 pm | #
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Regarding Harbaugh.... doesn't anyone remember the 2007 game against ND - when he put his QB - I believe it was Tavita Prichard (sp?) - back in after he had CLEARLY suffered a mild concussion?
Not the kind of "leadership" we're looking for.
He's doing great things at Stanford, but i agree with those who say he has a screw loose.
I have a feeling he'll give stanford a few more really good seasons and then leave it behind as a smoldering pile... I can't tell you why, just a feeling.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:28 pm | #
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Anyone wanna bet who reports it first?
Yahoo Sports or ESPN?
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:35 pm | #
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Jag's got Fired by Tampa Bay, as their OC before the season started. Reason; He didn't know $hit about football. No kidding. True!!
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:46 pm | #
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sligthly off subject, Chris Martin visited Oklahoma this past weekend.
ron burgandy | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:46 pm | #
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That box that Mrs. Weis was seen leaving the Gug?
Charlie's Lunch Box.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:48 pm | #
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It was BIG like a box you could send shirts in. Its sad that this is where we are. What are the odds if we win out and the bowl game he stays???
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:54 pm | #
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Chip; He's gone, son. Two Days and counting, and not a peep from ND.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 5:57 pm | #
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Where is Weis' Dad, helping his son pack?
Not that Tom | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:10 pm | #
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Stoooooooooooooppps! He'll get those boys into shape and hammer in the fundamentals. I do think something is up considering the deafening silence coming out of SB. (Something better be up or they are going to F this up again)
Santa | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:15 pm | #
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Mr. Masterson, I am well aware of him getting canned, as I referenced that in my post...but if I take off my hopeful "We can get Bob Stoops" glasses you start thinking 3rd tier yet previously successful head coaches...his name is not the worst on that list. Of course it is depressing that ND has to resort to that list.
Other random names:
Tuberville
Mark Dantonio (I think the last name is spelled correctly)
Fulmer...??
Strong, DC coordinator at FL
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:16 pm | #
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Weis Dad has finally seen the light, I think, and gave up his quest to blindly support CW. Could Jack Swarbrick be next?
joe | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:22 pm | #
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the health angle sounds plausible. i think it goes down , maybe tomorrow? i think its part of the plan to win these last two games, which helps sell the health resignation angle.
kids play hard for charlie, emotional, they get these next two and the whole resign for health reason angle works much better. we need to win those two games to make this "story" work.
i have no idea, but tomorrow would be the day. team would need that time to digest this and get ready.
this is by far the best angle.
hopefully charlie plays ball.
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:25 pm | #
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IN STOOPS WE TRUST!
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:31 pm | #
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If WEIS GOES than I Want stoops. Kelly is not big time. GO IRISH BEAT UCONN
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:31 pm | #
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Jagodzinski is a non-starter. If he couldn't handle being a head man at BC, what makes you think he could handle it at ND?
Craig | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:41 pm | #
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I really think you guys are getting WAY ahead of yourself in thinking that we have a "realistic" shot at getting stoops.
1) are we sure that whoever is reporting this didn't mistake Bob for Mike Stoops?
2) Just because he may, perhaps, possibly, perchance told the guy who washes his jockstrap that if JS called he'd listen does not at all mean that he is leaving OU. He has no reason in the world to leave OU. Am I missing some sort of historic tie to South Bend that would make a "return home" desirable for him?
we saw something similar with Urban 5 years ago - he said he'd be interested in hearing from KW, and then he went his merry way. Just because people are willing to listen to ND's AD does not mean they will fall all over themselves to be our next head coach.
This is not the 1970s... it is no longer the dream job it once was. It has become a graveyard. We will be fighting against that perception, whomever we decide to go after.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:45 pm | #
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I say get rid of all the ND fans. You're just like the Red Sox fans, fair weather and miserable. What team would want to play for you.
notadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 6:50 pm | #
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flo, go eat a Calzone.
ntd, the Red Sawks bite the big industrial size one. Yeah, I can hear Coach......., ok boyz let's go out and win one for the fans. Get real and think white.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 7:09 pm | #
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If any BGS principals are listening, I'd like to see a BGS post on what comparative recruiting conversations might be like for, let's say Brian Kelly, at Cinci vs. if he were to magically appear at ND. What is likely to be recruits' major negatives against us and how are they met....Maybe compare /contrast across all of the media short-listers. Maybe list the pros/cons in a recruits minds? I don't know...
I just suspect that ND really can't be that tough a sell (Once we've got a winning program going anyways. I'll certainly grant you that it's hard to recruit people into a train-wreck.) But how can anyone hope to compete with the exposure that having every home game guaranteed to be on national TV -- and most away games as well? It should be a great equalizer.
I don't know.... just a broad stroke idea. Feel free to take the ball and run with it.... or not.
GoldenStateDomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 7:13 pm | #
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Chris Martin the 5* DE visited OU this week-end. He ain't coming and,oops, neither is $toops.
Flo are you studying at the University?
The 2nd largest congregation of radicals, commies, pinkos, subversives, H0mos, Lesbeaux, and Jet Fans in the world.
1st largest you axe???
U of Bologna.
Universitŕ degli Studi di Firenze
Florentina Studiorum Universitas
Est., 1321
State-supported.
Rector Prof. Alberto Tesi
Staff app. 2600
Students 60k
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 7:38 pm | #
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8pm est. Nothing but silence.
How about Al Golden of Temple?
They're called the "Owls" because it started as a strictly night school. Yp, I ain't shittingyaboys.
They had a great bb coach before Cheney called Lapwick, HOFer.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 8:16 pm | #
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A few items annoying me on random sports boards:
ND needs to join a conference...why? Because of recruiting and a BCS buy-in? Interesting since ND already has a buy-in and gets to keep all of their $ from a bowl. So joining a conference, like say the perennially ridiculed Big Ten+ (which would never happen) or a conference mocked as the Big "Least" is a boon to ND? Interesting.
Also, nobody will come to South Bend to play...you mean like the last three top-rated classes??
And for good measure, the "ND will need to start rebuilding again" theme. So if Clausen stays, or even if he does not, these last three classes, one ranked number 1 leave a bare cupboard. Kidding me right? You mean like the huge failure Weis was in year one of his "rebuilding" with weaker recruits...?
There, I feel better now. ND admin, lets just rip this band-aid off and move on with our lives.
Latest rumor...Mike Shanahan. I often wonder if his last name was "Jones" if he would would even be in the blogosphere discussion.
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 8:30 pm | #
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This is hilarious. Name after name is bantered about for a new coach, all based on an assumption that Weis is gone, which may be a bad assumption.
If you slow down for a minute, there are probably only two coaches that make sense, assuming Weis is gone:
1. Tom Coughlin
2. Paul Johnson.
Both have proven records as HEAD coaches at the college level at schools that maintain HIGH academic standards (BC and Navy), do not accept thugs or juco transfers and do not red shirt per se.
Can you say the same thing about Stoops, Kelly, Golden, Peterson or Harbaugh (remember, Harbaugh won 4 games his first year, 5 games last year and has 3 loses already this year-what do you say about Harbaugh if by chance he loses one or two more games?). Gee, who was the last guy from Stanford we thought was a savior??
mecheng | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 8:33 pm | #
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If ND were to hire Harbaugh, how long would take the ND haters to dredge up his prior DUI arrest?
lush | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 8:36 pm | #
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IF we are worse off or even three years from now, would that make this a bad firing or would it mean another bad hire?
flannercock | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 8:39 pm | #
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I vaguely recall hearing complaints (after TW was fired) about Coughlin's age - I think he is around 65 now? I love Paul Johnson, but he would be a tough sell if he wanted to bring the option back to ND.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 9:06 pm | #
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I apologize for my post. I am an idiot.
notadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 9:09 pm | #
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NotreDame has not had a #1 class since Holtz.
Why does ever one think Kelly can get it done here. He is no big time coach, let the year play out before ever one things this guy is the next ARA. I still say PITT beats them.
I can't wait till saturday!!!
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 9:20 pm | #
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Just for laughs bring LOU in to coach and keep WEIS as an OC then get old BOB Davie as the DC.
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 9:23 pm | #
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Please, whatever you do, don't fire Weis. As long as he's the coach ND will continue to be, at best, a mediocre team. The football world continues to laugh at the Irish.
Jack | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 9:43 pm | #
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Stadium Dude, et tu Brutus?
Am I the only one in Charlie's corner still left?
Let's show him some respect and dignity.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:27 pm | #
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Any buzz on UM pulling the trigger on RR and moving on Kelly before ND does?
Drought | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:40 pm | #
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1. As a Notre Dame fan in southern Cal, I forgive Harbaugh for all his past transgressions. He should have gone for 2 every time and should not have stopped until he scored 100...it's not running up the score and definitely not unsportsmanlike, if you were the underdog, and are beating up on a powerhouse that has killed you over the last decade. Its not unsportsmanlike to bring down the Empire of Troy....there is nothing more beautiful than light emitted from the fires burning the city of Troy to the ground. I just wish it was ND doing the burning.
2.With the exception of WeareSC on this board, there is nobody worse than the SC fans of SoCal...they have no concept of football history, 99% of them are the most smug SOB's you've ever met, they consist of the real housewives of OC or there spoiled kids sporting the latest fashions wearing sunglasses at night....most of them are just despicable, and it's amazing how few people claimed to be a USC fan here in LA until pete carroll came......trust me I've been praying for LA to get an NFL team, you'd be surprised to see how many less fans are sitting in the nose bleed sections.....as i heard my dad say at the coliseum the last time ND beat usc in 2001, "where's that fucking white horse now?"
3. I was on this post for the whole game and I have read every word of all 1500+ posts...damn my eyes hurt
4. Nate you're awesome, keep up the great work...i read everything you post
5. StadiumDude Chip....i love you, im really glad to see that you keep an open mind, in addition to being an unmovable rock of support for ND
6. I dont think anyone on this site hates/dislikes Weis the man, we try to be reasonable and incorporate facts and relevant statistics to support our opinions, and that's why I read this site. And people really need to stop comparing the "progress" of Weis to what Davie and Willingham did....it's not progress when you compare yourself to failures.
7. Tommy Tubberville did not fail out of College Football, the guy pretty much won a NC, and as much as I love Brian Kelly, I just really feel we need a defensive attitude first and foremost...im tired of watching such horrible, inept defenses. I'd rather have a solid proven defensive coach and young unproven up and coming OC...I feel it's easier to find capable OCs than it is to find capable DCs
8. I really can't believe Stoops would ever leave OK, but I love hearing the talk, and really want hear more about this possibility
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:42 pm | #
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Mike Wilbon of the Wapo claims both DickRod and CW are toast.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:42 pm | #
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What is truly amazing, not a peep out of the Four (4) ND pay per sites. Nothing as so much as a reason for the lack of news coming from SB. And for this $hit people pay $10 bucks a month, man, Barnum was right, never smarten up a chump.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:46 pm | #
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Dad, You have to let your son go... I know its hard but he has done his best and he loves ND but he is just not the chosen one. We all respect him and support what he has done to bring the recruiting back to Notre Dame. He is a good man and has tried his best, but his time has come to an end. Let me ask you, he has never missed a sunday press conference in 5 years, if we would have won ill bet there would have been one. The end is near, I fear he already knows things we dont. I understand your mourning the man, the rest of us will press on and find the new coach.
TJ | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 10:48 pm | #
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I can't believe that there has been no news from the university or Jack. I'm losing sleep over this. It is pathetic that the general fans seem to know as much as the media close to the program. They need to do their job, weasel some information, and let the public know.
Also, for coaching talk... the more I think about Brian Kelly, the less I want him. There is just a weird feeling about him that I have. Cincinnati does look good, but I think they are certainly peaking with what his system offers. We need a big name, who brings in a hell of staff, a strength and conditioning coaches who remembers its not all about bulk but speed, mobility, quickness, and lean, twisted steel strength. Think Justin Tuck, Demarcus Ware, Ed Reed type of strength.
I'm done for now.
Where Now? | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:14 pm | #
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Where Now,
I agree. It has been 48 hours and still there is no news. Charlie would not just miss a press conference for no reason. Jack needs to come out and say either Charlie is our head football coach until the end of the season, or he needs to say Charlie is done. Im so glad I pay money for Notre Dame websites when they decide to take a two day break.
bk | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:29 pm | #
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The Weis' Dad handle joke is getting old. The man's father is deceased; bash his coaching but have respect for his family.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:36 pm | #
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Trevor, I was in California the week after the Oregon game and it seemed like everyone jumped off the USC bandwagon at once...I can't even imagine what it is like after the massacre at the hands of Stanford
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:38 pm | #
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Chicago Tribune.
November 17, 2009
Translated, this is what Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick essentially said Sunday about football coach Charlie Weis' future without saying it.
When.
This is what I didn't hear from Swarbrick in his very diplomatic, non-denial denial answering the question on the minds of everybody wondering whether Weis will be fired.
If.
"Let's let it finish out," Swarbrick told the Tribune's Brian Hamilton. "We said at the beginning of the season that we wanted to be in contention for and in the discussion of the (Bowl Championship Series) bowls, and for a while we were. But we didn't stay in contention as long as any of us would have liked."
Nothing that happens in Weis' final two games possibly could alter any logical conclusion drawn by Swarbrick about the state of affairs in Year 5. In fairness to a once-proud football program and Weis, end the charade now, Notre Dame.
Through 60 games, Weis has proven to be nothing more than Bob Davie with better bling. Going 35-25 at Notre Dame wasn't good enough for Davie to return for a sixth season. Nor should it be for Weis.
To use the hasty contract extension Weis received five games into his tenure as the rationale to keep him uses one bad decision to validate another, an exception to justify the rule. That's how bad programs get worse.
Waiting to eventually, inevitably send Weis back to the NFL where he belongs would show the coach less respect than forcing him to resign immediately. Spare Weis and his players having to spend the next two weeks repeating themselves with comments they may not even believe anymore. Change the subject by changing direction in time to target a head coach, one with experience this time.
The next comments from Swarbrick should come Tuesday at Weis' weekly news conference when both men would be best served admitting it was time to part company on amicable terms. That would allow Notre Dame to begin a search process it hasn't exactly patented.
When it comes to hellos and goodbyes with coaches, the athletic department can be as awkward as a junior high dance. Lou Holtz left cryptically. George O'Leary came deceptively. Tyrone Willingham didn't just become an ex-coach, he became a football martyr. It doesn't have to be this way again.
Forget the details over the size of Weis' contract buyout. A source with knowledge of the situation called media reports estimating Weis' buyout at $18 million "exaggerated." Besides, Swarbrick repeated in a Sporting News interview Sunday what he made clear at the end of 2008: Economics will play no role in the decision.
Weis makes himself an easy target but resist the urge to make calling for his job personal. It isn't. He simply has a skill set and demeanor suited for calling plays in the NFL more than leading young men in college football. A college head coach cannot call out players publicly as does Weis, South Bend's answer to Ozzie Guillen.
After the USC loss, Weis fingered wide receiver Duval Kamara for slipping on the game's decisive play. After the Navy loss, he mocked nose guard Ian Williams for acknowledging the Irish were outschemed (and Williams was right). In a sideline interview with ABC after losing to Pitt, Weis let America know how much guard Dan Wenger's chop-block penalty hurt before mentioning his undisciplined defense.
The license plate on the bus those players were thrown under reads "WEISGUY."
If you want to discuss accountability, it starts with Weis, the offensive genius going through three defensive coordinators in five seasons. Notre Dame's linebackers look lost, its defensive linemen aren't special and the secondary lacks difference-makers. Something mysterious happens in South Bend between National Signing Day and autumn Saturdays.
The nastiness Weis embodies has been missing from an offensive line that can't control the line of scrimmage in the Notre Dame tradition. The trio of Jimmy Clausen, Golden Tate and Michael Floyd has been fun to watch, but too often Irish fans want to cover their eyes when they leave the field.
Back during World War II, the U.S. Navy helped keep Notre Dame open in the midst of an economic crisis and the university repaid that debt by keeping the Midshipmen on the football schedule. Historically speaking, Navy did Notre Dame another favor two weeks ago by beating the Irish.
Defeating Navy would have allowed Notre Dame to continue fooling itself that near-misses to USC and Pitt was good enough. Losing to the overmatched Middies confirmed to everybody that Weis isn't getting the most out of his hyped recruiting classes.
It was 1949 when Rev. Theodore Hesburgh first adopted a philosophy Notre Dame has honored, with one exception, to offer five-year contracts to head coaches. In Hesburgh's mind, that was a fair amount of time to gauge progress.
It still is.
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:39 pm | #
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Stadiumdude...last #1 class was in the Holtz era...? 2008 ring a bell? For those unsure about Kelly...I agree. It's not like his background is at all similar to some upstart who went to Bowling Green and then some BCS outsider like Utah and improved every program he went to...
This silence is deafening
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:44 pm | #
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RED, I think I am the last man standing, in support of Charlie.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:51 pm | #
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TJ, what if major turn of events happen and Fr Jenkins keeps him when other options decide to stay put or go elsewhere?
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.16.09 - 11:59 pm | #
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Why throw dirt at the man when the body is still warm?
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:00 am | #
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I really don't know where you get your Recruiting news Notredame had #2 class in 2007. Go look it up, holtz brought in the last #1 Class.The 2008 class wasn't even that great Manti made the class. it was the the O7 class that was big.
Weis DAD I'm still in Weis corner but I really can't defend him much more. My foot keeps getting put in my mouth every saturday. Just read some of my post. As far as WEIS to Davie if we win out and win th bowl game WEIS will be back. Thats why it has been so quiet in SB,IN
2005 9-3 BCS GAME
2006 10-3 BCS GAME
2007 3-9
2008 7-6 HAWAII Bowl
2009 maybe 9-4?? If this happens CHUCK will Be back. GO IRISH BEAT HUSKIES
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:07 am | #
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Again, lots to greet me as I sign in this morning...
1. Stoops: Combing ESPN right now--don't see a peep about him being interested. I think somebody started a rumor and everyone's panties are getting in a wad. I don't see any reason for him to leave.
2. Kelly: I think we pretty much debunked the "juco" myth, yet people apparently can't read and still think that's an issue. People also can't seem to get through their heads that he's coached 200+ games at the college level, and he's only 49--he can do it for quite a few more years. I love the "well, we'll see if he beats Pitt!" like you can have a one game referendum about a coach. We're not firing Charlie over one game--we're doing it because he's consistently not prepared his team. Kelly's been consistent EVERYWHERE he has gone--as to the "he's not big time!", neither was Urban Meyer before he went to UF, neither was Bob Stoops before he went to OU. Come on, now--why would a coach who's "made it" at a big time university leave to come to ND? Not gonna happen. Any interest shown by those guys is simply to get a better deal for themselves.
Tom Coughlin? Seriously? Hell, New Yorkers wanted to run him out of town on a rail right up to the point he won the Super Bowl. He had a lucky confluence of events. Good pro coach, but no--I am a Jacksonville Jags fan, please, believe me when I say no.
Jagodzinski? Um....why? He coached one year at BC, right? Got canned by the Bucs as OC WITHOUT EVEN MAKING IT TO THE SEASON...if ND went that route, we'd know the admin had finally LOST it. I'd keep Weis first.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:08 am | #
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I turned the game off before the post-game interview. I didn't realize that he threw Wenger under the bus, too.
Way to stay classy, Chuck. Gonna have Corwin take more shots later this week at the opposition to deflect the heat off your seat...again?
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:08 am | #
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My list:
First Tier--any of these would be instant "yes"'s:
1. Brian Kelly
+Wins everywhere he goes, WITHOUT JUCO's, WITH Academic integrity. Took CINCI to multiple 10 win seasons, a BCS bowl, and with the way Pitt let us back in the game, I think you all are CRAZY to assume Pitt will beat Cinci. Maybe Pitt does win, but that hardly means Kelly "isn't big time". 11-1 at Cinci is a MAJOR accomplishment.
- The abortion issue (not an issue for me, but some ND fans/alums will hate him and hope he fails simply because of this. Those people are idiots). Previous comments at CMU categorized as "racist", though those have been clarified and mostly died down.
2. Gary Patterson
+ Consistent success at TCU. Only reason he hasn't been to a BCS bowl yet is that he's in the same conference as the best non-BCS team in the country, Utah. Beat Utah soundly finally. MIGHT have the best team in Texas...including UT.
- No idea if he has any interest in leaving TCU. Great coach, not sure if he'd be great fit.
3. Bob Stoops (If he's really interested)
+ Um, Hello??!?!?! It's Bob Freakin' Stoops! Rebuilt OU into perennial power. Won NC. Wins lots of games by lots of points.
- Recent years, can't win the "big game"--gets to BCS and loses. Still, it's a lot better than what we're doing now, isn't it? If he's interested, really interested, I can't see ND passing this up.
4. Paul Johnson
+ Wins. Another who won NC's at a lower level. It was a crime he had to stay at Navy so long and didn't get a shot at the big time until GT.
- Love to watch that offense..don't want my team running it. Will never get a pro QB or WR prospect, unless it's a WR prospect who's playing QB. I hope he has mucho successo at GT, and we never have to play them. Plus, he's just in his 2nd year there--I think he would want to stay there and build up GT into an ACC and national power. And he will.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:08 am | #
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Next Tier--Would support, but not sure if I would believe they'd be the right choice:
5. Jim Harbaugh
+ Beat USC 2 of 3 years, AT USC. Coaching at Stanford, understands academic requirements. Pissed off Michigan. Tough attitude and killer instinct.
- Can't help but feel people are "jumping the gun" on how great he is as a coach, think we need some more time to see if he can keep building/sustain success. Last coach we had from Stanford worked out OH SO WELL. Might be TOO brash an attitude. New contract at Stanford in the works. Another who I think I don't want at ND, but I would love to see him go somewhere we don't play regularly. Preferably in Pac-10 or Big 10 so he can torture USC or Michigan some more.
6. John Gruden
+ Passion for the game, great offensive mind, loves ND
- The above sound familiar? NFL, NFL, NFL, NFL--no clue if he could coach at the college level. Also, just signed new deal with MNF.
7. Urban Meyer
+ Wins freakin' NC's.
- Pipe dream, no reason to leave UF. Runs a shady program, dirty recruiter.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:09 am | #
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Tier 3: Everyone else, in no particular order
Tuberville, Fulmer, etc.--seriously? Retread SEC coaches with their better days behind them? Ask South Carolina how that worked out for them. I can't believe anyone would want a coach who was run out of town by their own fanbase.
Mark Dantonio: So lemme get this straight--you'd rather have the guy that DIDN'T get Cinci to a BCS game and is doing a mediocre job at Michigan State (granted, it's Michigan State) than the guy who is winning conference championships and in BCS bowls at Cinci? Ask Cinci fans to compare them, and you tell me which one they think is better. Sure, Dantonio brought it some players and helped Kelly out, but no way is he as good as Kelly.
Greg Schiano: Now HERE is your example of "not big time". Rode a few good players (Ray Rice) to some moderate success. Rice graduates, Rutgers slides back down into the mire. Still trying to get the job at Miami, more than likely, as that's where he came from. We don't need that.
Butch Davis: What was that about not needing a "Miami" mentality? Why do people want to find a coach who had success 10 years ago, rather than take the obvious choices who are having success now?
Al Golden: One year isn't enough to judge...Ty Willingham took Stanford to the Rose Bowl, too.
Comments about Coughlin/Jagodzinski above.
What I WOULD LOVE to see:
Announcement made, Charlie coaches final 2 games. Lou Holtz comes in to coach the Toilet Bowl or whatever we go to. Someone in my Tier 1 named head coach.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:09 am | #
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Nate: You don't think that, if Brian Kelly gets hired at ND, the anti-ND media won't bring up the "racist" comments? I'm sure they will, and we'll hear about it from the trolls. Most likely after we bash their team's skull in.
Thank you for being the other sane voice on here about how awful Butch Davis would be as a hire at ND. Sure, if we decided to schedule two or three D-1AA schools and some other inferior opponents every year, he'd be perfect. Can we start up a rivalry with Duke and Maryland and East Carolina (but not NC State or Virginia)?
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:15 am | #
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Nate
What kind of offense would you think that Lou would run? Not trying to be smart I really would like to hear your answer.
That would be interesting. He didn't do so well with Ron Paulus and his fleetness of foot.
I know this would probably never happen, but do you think he would really run the triple option with JC as his QB?
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:18 am | #
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He could run the triple option with Tate as the quarterback.
MattJ | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:22 am | #
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MattJ
Then what do you do with Jimmy. I know it's all hypothetical but I'm really sick of hearing about will he or wont he be fired, Brian Kelly, Bob Stoops, Mickey Mouse and Santa Claus.
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:31 am | #
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Jerry:
It'd be for one game, so does it really matter? is my serious answer, but after watching him put Ambrose Wooden back at QB and running the option, who knows? Tate could play QB and run it from the Wildcat or whatever, as MattJ suggests, but most likely he's keep things in place and use the current playbook, minimized to some standard running plays and a few passes.
Mostly I just want to see the practice footage of Lou getting after the current players...he's still got lots of pep in him!
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:45 am | #
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It would definitely be a very interesting game. He definitely has a ton of fire that still rages in his belly especially for the Irish. Lou Holtz is the reason I became an Irish fan, and I would love for him to roam the sidelines and pick the grass one last time for our boys.
Go IRISH!!!!
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 1:17 am | #
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Stadiumdude...rivals ranked ND's class #1 after everybody showed up on campus in '08...and after half of 'Bamas class did not.
http://www.rivals.com/content.as....asp?
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You can read this after helping Mrs. Weis pack the phantom box you saw her leave campus with...
Nate,
ND needs to look hard at itself and realize tier one is not likely, and focus on the right tier 2 approach. IMO, success in college ranks rules out any nfl coaches. And agreed on Schiano and Davis in particular...what exactly has Davis done at UNC that warrants any interest?
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 1:22 am | #
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sonofason: Why would you consider Kelly or Patterson unlikely? I agree on Stoops and Johnson.
Also forgot to mention Ferentz--again, I'm not impressed, and no reason to think he'd ever leave Iowa. He can make a run in the years he doesn't play OSU and PSU, and stay 7-5/8-4 the other years, and he's perfectly safe.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 2:18 am | #
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http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com...-face-of-logic/
Stoops says idea of leaving OU for ND "Ridiculous".
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:46 am | #
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I wouldn't put too much stock in anything I heard now. No coach is going to say he is interested because 1) CW isn't fired yet, and 2) the season is still going on. When pressed, they're going to have to say whatever it takes to dodge the questions.
John Calipari denied interest in the Kentucky basketball job just weeks before he was hired there.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:05 am | #
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Thanks for putting that one to rest Nate.
I'm all for "thinking outside of the box," but I'd like to stay within the realm of the logistically plausible.
The other Stoops might be worth adding to the low tier-two or tier-three candidates. It has taken awhile, but he has managed to turn UofA into a solid program - they hadn't been in contention for a PAC10 title since the days of the Desert Swarm Defense starring Teddy Bruschi.
I'm not advocating the hire, but he's another coach whose stock is rising.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:20 am | #
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DomerFlo:
Yeah, I forgot to put him on the list, but maybe it's because I just don't see him as a good hire. He's lucky he's survived long enough at UA, and I think we need a bit more than just this season to determine if he's any good or not. Tier 3, for sure.
Mike: I agree, coaches can always say one thing and do something else. I'm just putting it out there.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 7:08 am | #
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What successful college coach is going to leave his job to come here?People weren`t exactly stampeeding here the last time.
irishjh2 | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 7:18 am | #
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After watching Brady Quinn last night, maybe Charlie can do some charity work with all the millions and work for the Browns as a QB coach for free. That was painful to watch.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 7:25 am | #
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Brady didn`t stand a chance.The line can`t block and the receivers,not only can`t get open,they can`t catch,as evidenced by the second interception.He hit the guy right in the chest and he couldn`t catch it.It was a set up for failure.If you want to give him a chance to succeed you don`t start him against one of the nastiest defenses and hope for a miracle.
Gruden kept saying he wanted to see him throw the ball downfield.Was he watching the porous offensive line? Brady was lucky to have more than a second to throw.I`d like to see him with a decent line and some receivers who can run and catch,before giving up on him.
irishjh2 | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 8:26 am | #
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Nate, in Paul Johnson's offense you don't need a pro QB or WR prospect. Tommy Frazier was probably the best college player of the last 25 years and he didn't go pro.
2 years and he has turned GT into a top 10 team that runs for 315 yards a game. Gimme that any day...
And as far as Schiano, RU was arguably the worst college program in the nation before he got there. The fact that they don't get rolled week in and week out anymore and are actually ranked is quite an accomplishment. And RU's defense is solid. They also dont turn the ball over ever and have good special team play (something that ND hasn't had in years).
I don't want him, but he is a good coach and he has a better body of work than Weis.
RedMahoney | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 8:49 am | #
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Jimmy C would be the third string qb at Cincinnati.
I'm not trying to be inflammatory. I'm suggesting that the talent isn't as good at ND as some think. Jimmy's flamboyant and has a great last name, but consistently makes bad decisions (not always, just consistently). The second string QB at Cincinnati can throw, run and make good decisions.
PGJ | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 8:51 am | #
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Red, I agree with you on Schiano not being a bad coach... I'd put him slightly above Mike Stoops in the third tier candidates... that does not, however, mean that i want to see either of them on the sidelines. They have turned around programs that were in the crapper. We are not longer there. CW at least deserves credit for leaving the program in much better shape (presuming he actually resigns) than when he inherited it from Ty.
However, Red, I must take issue with teh Frazier not going pro comment. He didn't go pro (or even finish his college career) because he had a serious issue with bloodclots and I don't think Nebraska ever cleared him to get back on the field.
I was at the Fiesta Bowl when he tore apart Florida. Man that was a sight. He was something special.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 8:59 am | #
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ndfootball4ever,
Thanks for the rely to my post, but many of the points you post have lurking variables that people don't address. Here is a logical reply to a lot of your points.
1). I'm not sure that Weiss hasn't put together a good staff. Coming from the pros he didn't have a traveling crew of assistants as Willingham and had to assemble a team from scratch. It seems people have liked who he has brought in - Tenuta and Corwin Brown all seem highly thought of. Moreover, the Alford and Verducci have produced significant improvement in there respective areas. It may not be as fast as we like, but he has brought in talented people but also had to let some go. I consider this a strength since he has a pro mentality and if someone isn't working - he has showed them the door.
2). Weis isn't a defensive guy. Lots of head coaches have a specialty and hand the reigns over to another guy for the other side of the ball. Our next coach will probably be the same way. Doesn't seem like a fair criticism. Also, I don't remember Holtz being loved as much as people think when he was shown the door at ND.
3-4). These seem pretty straightforward accurate.
5). The running game is directly tied to the O-line and ours hasn't been good. He's brought in people to fix that, but your example point to several games where the running game had to be abandoned in favor of scoring fast. Weis seems to always try and mix it in from the beginning and Allen took a huge step forward this year. Also, the running game with Darius the first year was solid ... we just got overrated and ran up against a LSU team that was better than us.
6). O-line is recruiting and development. Most solid O-lines have lots of upperclassman and Willingham recruiting left a huge hole that BGS guys pointed to before Weis even arrived. O-line hasn't been dominant, but now they aren't bad.
7). Don't know about this one ..
8). I haven't seen too much poor clock management this year - but there have been several instances of this in past years.
9). Haven't seen much of this this year - but it has been there in the past (every coach has these moments though).
10). This one seems like second guessing. There have been lots of 4th down calls, but in past years I would contend there were times we really needed to convert one to keep from getting blown off the field by more experienced teams - and ultimately in those games we got blown off the field. As for the Navy call, everybody talks about how much more talent we have - seems that him betting on that wasn't unreasonable. 4 yard line there pinned down and maybe you can get a behind the line tackle - not a horrible call in my opinion just because it didn't work out ( I certainly wish it had).
11). Have to agree with the Special Teams one ... we need a good punter in the worst way.
12). Don't know about your example. The secondary I think is getting a bad wrap as a result of the O-line. When you give a quarterback 8 seconds to pass - the best secondary in the world is going to give up plays. You just can't give QB's that kind of time.
13). I agree with the defense - question I contend should determine his job is whether the defense is trending upward and there is talent in the pipeline.
14). In my original post, I was looking for things other than just bad losses. I personally think that many of these losses are willingham related. This might strike some as a bad argument ... but he lost every game at UW one year. He left Stanford in a horrible place when he came to us (few people pay attention to how similar what he did there is to what he did to us) and then he did the same thing to UW (nobody seems to fault ND for firing him anymore : ) ). Point is, I think the program was in a downward spiral despite Weis' ability to get wins out of Quinn and company when he came in (there was nothing behind them coming in).
15). I strongly disagree with this one. Sharply is a solid backup who has shown some good moments when he was needed. Moreover, there wasn't much behind Quinn when he moved on. Weis' first year to recruit was tough and he brought in some talent but they all transferred when Clausen won out. Not much you can do about that (and I think I understand why they transferred). It takes time to establish a solid QB pipeline and with Christ it looks like Weis is almost there. If the O-line hadn't been so awful in Clausen's first year - who knows what would have happened. I don't buy this considering the guy has taken a floundering QB (Quinn) and put him in the Heisman race and fully developed Clausen into the best QB in the country (his passes are unbelievable sometimes).
16). A team is rarely the some of its parts. 5 star this and 5 star that is good ... but we had facets of our team that hide giant holes. Offensive talent alone can't win the day. So I have to disagree and say we weren't a top 10 capable team (preseason rankings - though crap - seam to agree with me on this). Brian Kelly wont put a QB in the pros because he runs a gimmick offense that wont ever beat a powerhouse team. UC might finish the regular season undefeated - but I'm confident they are going to lose badly to a good team in the bowl. Of the coaches you mentioned - Harbaugh is the most intriguing. What he has done is truly impressive (way more so than Brian Kelly).
Long response, but I still think that Weis' job comes down to how the defense is trending.
goIrish
P.S. I feel for Quinn in Cleveland. Someone posted about how crappy his receivers and O-line are ... I really hope he gets a chance with an up and coming team. Peyton manning couldn't do any better with the browns (receivers have to catch the damn ball - he had better WRs in college). I hope mangini hasn't sunk his career.
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goIrish, do you mean how the defense is trending over the course of this season? Because if you mean year-over-year, the 2009 numbers are considerably worse than those of 2008.
Regarding #11 and special teams, the kicking is no doubt poor, but the return numbers are pretty good.
My question with all of the "tiers" of choices for new coach, is on what level you guys would place retaining Weis. I would not get excited to replace Weis with Phillip Fulmer or many of the other names I've seen here. My biggest concern in this spiral of commentary is that folks want to say Weis is a "bad" coach. He clearly is not an exceptional head coach, he has not developed into a great head coach, but he's a good head coach. I'm talking about all of the aspects of being a head coach, not just W/L records.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 9:42 am | #
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Louie,
I would agree with you. And I think that there are a lot of people who have expressed trepidation at the admin's inability to conduct a thoroughly, timely and successful search (based off of the past examples).
While I don't like the idea of ND behaving like a BF who won't leave his long-time GF (with whom things have gone south) unless he's got a new young hottie waiting in the wings... I think that is what we need to do.
If we can't land someone really top shelf, I think we should just keep going with CW. I don't dislike CW, but that thought depresses me. As you note, he is a middling coach, and next year would produce middling results. We are all tired of that song.
I am fully aware of all the problems ND has in marketing the job... but it can't be that hard to sell it!
Get the job done JS!!!!
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 9:50 am | #
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d-flo,
I completely agree, if they are going to get rid of him, they need to do it today. We have already lost our top commitment (most likely) and do not need to loose any more. We have a very solid class coming in, if we can get someone in place very soon then damage can be limited. If we wait until after Stanford or after a bowl game, then two to three years from now we will be talking about how we missed out on a few key positions in the 2010 class.
On the other hand, if JS is not going to fire him, he needs to come out TODAY and say so.
ron burgandy | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 9:59 am | #
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exactly Ron.
a lot of people have been batting around the phrase from the Florida AD - "what must be done eventually should be done now"... well it cuts both ways. If you're not going to do it "eventually" (meaning this year), come out and say so!Be emphatic about it.
The worst thing that could happen is a repeat of 2004 when we delayed on firing TW and as a result missed out on targets that were listed well above CW on everyone's radar. I'm not saying that Urban would have come, but if we could have locked him up before UF came knocking.... instead we decided to wait on pulling the trigger. UF jumped the gun, and the rest his history.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:08 am | #
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" Jimmy C would be the third string qb at Cincinnati.
I'm not trying to be inflammatory. I'm suggesting that the talent isn't as good at ND as some think. Jimmy's flamboyant and has a great last name, but consistently makes bad decisions (not always, just consistently). The second string QB at Cincinnati can throw, run and make good decisions."
Exactly what decisions are you talking about? He has a 67% completion rate (one of the highest) and a 1.14% interception rate (one of the lowest). He's made a few bad decisions, but not consistently.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:13 am | #
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Nate said:
"4. Paul Johnson
+ Wins. Another who won NC's at a lower level. It was a crime he had to stay at Navy so long and didn't get a shot at the big time until GT.
- Love to watch that offense..don't want my team running it. Will never get a pro QB or WR prospect, unless it's a WR prospect who's playing QB. I hope he has mucho successo at GT, and we never have to play them. Plus, he's just in his 2nd year there--I think he would want to stay there and build up GT into an ACC and national power. And he will."
Just wondering - why do we care if we get NFL prospect QBs or wide receivers? I thought our desire was to win games, not populate the NFL with quarterbacks and receivers. Not following this line of thinking...
Lou | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:19 am | #
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Chip & Go Irish,
I watched that game last night, and
yes Brady was running for his life on
a lot of the plays, but when he did
have time he still had the same flaw
he had when he was at ND. That flaw is
that he is not the most accurate QB to
come down the pike. Gruden even was
saying, "That was an ok pass but not
great". A little too high, a little
behind the guy, or a little too low.
Hope he can figure it out though.
don buczynski | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:20 am | #
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Not to mention that, prior to the Pitt game, 2 or all 3 of Clausen's int's were either not his fault or only partially his fault. Cinci has 2 very good QB's, one or both of whom might turn out to be good pro prospects. But they are NOT Jimmy's caliber. Go compare their numbers and their systems, don't just say Jimmy's to glitzy - the guy delivers perfect strikes on an uncanny, regular basis. Better yet, go ask any NFL head coach who he'd rather have.
Regarding Mike Stoops @ Arizona, I agree he's 3rd tier as of now. AZ should be commended for not getting impatient & sticking with him, b/c he's paying dividends now. However, this is still his 1st HC gig, and while OU's defense was excellent w/ him as DC, he still just doesn't have a long enough resume as a head coach for us to want him. Wish him nothing but success, but I can't move him up the list.
baIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:26 am | #
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Wow... Dick Rod is continuing to himself deeper in up there in Ann Arbor.
If this thing about "disappearing practice logs" blows up, what are the odds that the two winningest programs in NCAA FB will both be looking for new coaches at the same time?
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:32 am | #
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To Nate:
I do not think Patterson comes to ND based on a few things. First, regionally he would have to learn an entirely new recruitment model given 95% of his recruits in 2009, and likely prior, are Texas fellas. That is a lot to adjust to on the recruitment trail and he seems to be improving on his in-state haul in recent years. Second, he is well-positioned this year, and especially next with essentially everyone returning, to make a run at something big in BCS-land (as an outsider). ND has a lot of latent talent, and arguably more on paper, but will still not be in a position in 2010 to do the kind of damage TCU could do nationally. I think the timing and location is wrong for Patterson. He is more likely to resurrect Texas A&M after his current run than come to ND.
As for Kelly being unlikely, he is possibly the hottest coaching candidate in the country. There are a number of programs, some with far fewer academic restrictions, that will be courting him. Does their name conjur up some of the prestige that an ND does, not necessarily, but we can not forget recent history and all of the ND advances that were spurned when O'Leary/Willingham went down and after Ty was fired. Our last two coaching searches have seen ND left at the altar by most every "name" coach. Why would this search be any different? I am eternally optimistic as I love ND football, but you should not ignore our most recent history.
Kelly can expect calls from the likes of Illinois (where he can drub Ohio State in-conference), maybe a Colorado, etc. Schools where there would not be the ridiculous specter of extramarital affairs being judged, or digging through his past on "pro-choice" comments, etc...
I hope I am wrong but Tier 2 is where ND needs to start, and Swarbrick needs to exclude everyone involved in the previous hires from the room.
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:35 am | #
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To Nate:
I do not think Patterson comes to ND based on a few things. First, regionally he would have to learn an entirely new recruitment model given 95% of his recruits in 2009, and likely prior, are Texas fellas. That is a lot to adjust to on the recruitment trail and he seems to be improving on his in-state haul in recent years. Second, he is well-positioned this year, and especially next with essentially everyone returning, to make a run at something big in BCS-land (as an outsider). ND has a lot of latent talent, and arguably more on paper, but will still not be in a position in 2010 to do the kind of damage TCU could do nationally. I think the timing and location is wrong for Patterson. He is more likely to resurrect Texas A&M after his current run than come to ND.
As for Kelly being unlikely, he is possibly the hottest coaching candidate in the country. There are a number of programs, some with far fewer academic restrictions, that will be courting him. Does their name conjur up some of the prestige that an ND does, not necessarily, but we can not forget recent history and all of the ND advances that were spurned when O'Leary/Willingham went down and after Ty was fired. Our last two coaching searches have seen ND left at the altar by most every "name" coach. Why would this search be any different? I am eternally optimistic as I love ND football, but you should not ignore our most recent history.
Kelly can expect calls from the likes of Illinois (where he can drub Ohio State in-conference), maybe a Colorado, etc. Schools where there would not be the ridiculous specter of extramarital affairs being judged, or digging through his past on "pro-choice" comments, etc...
I hope I am wrong but Tier 2 is where ND needs to start, and Swarbrick needs to exclude everyone involved in the previous hires from the room.
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:35 am | #
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If ESPN is to be bleieved, there is a chance that Shanahan might be going to Colorado. That would be good for us, insofar as it eliminates one other school from possible suitors to Kelly.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:43 am | #
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Sonofasondomer,
When CW was hired I think the biggest
turn off for coaches was what they would have to deal with in that 2007 & 2008 seasons. This team was in such
a big hole when it comes to recruiting
that it seemed more of "I don't want
to deal with that. As far as Kelly,
you can't forget he lost 8 defensive
starters off of last years squad, and
if you watch their games, their d still flys around the field with an
agression that we haven't seen at ND
since Holtz. The guy is a proven winner at all different levels, and I
still think he should be in that 1st.
teir.
don buczynski | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:53 am | #
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Somebody in an earlier post suggested that coaching ND is like being President of the USA.
Why not switch ? ....plus Barack has an ND degree now too!
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:56 am | #
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Red: Okay, I'll grant that about Schiano. He's still a Miami man at heart, and as DomerinFlorence said, I'm not thrilled about the idea of him on the sidelines.
Tommmie Frazier: He singlehandedly destroyed my HS football team in the State Semifinals my senior year. We drove all the way to Bradenton to watch the game, too. I was in awe, and watched that continue at Nebraska, where he was quite simply the best option QB ever.
Yeah, Paul Johnson's system doesn't need pro QB's or WR--what can I say, I've gotten used to them while Weis has been here, and I don't want to see the passing game disappear.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:59 am | #
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....Sorry Barack is pro-choice according to reports...scratch that idea. Our football program doesn't need more controversy.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:01 am | #
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I thought Schiano was offered the Miami job ,in 2006.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:03 am | #
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for what its worth, here is an article from an interview w/ Brian Kelly and he was asked about the ND job
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/...ng-va-tech-
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ron burgandy | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
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Louie: I would put retaining Weis probably at the top of tier 3, maybe ahead of Gruden. Just my opinion, though.
Lou: As I said, I like the passing offense. I like winning games more, but I think we have other options besides Paul Johnson (who knows if he's even an option) that can pass and win. I don't want to see Tate running the triple option, though I wouldn't mind Armando Allen with 1000 yards. And maybe Hughes would make a good triple option fullback? Interesting to think about.
Sonofason: Extramarital affairs? First I'd heard that. I will not judge the man based on that, but I wouldn't go throwing that out there without something to reference, either.
I can agree with your thoughts on Patterson. I was simply evaluating based on how I looked at them as a prospect, not the likelihood they would come. Okay, so Stoops would go up if he was really an option, but I don't think he is.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:09 am | #
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Dana: Nope, he wasn't offered the Miami job.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:10 am | #
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Why do I like Kelly?
First, he has extensive coaching experience, as a position coach, a DC and now as head coach.
Second, he has been a winner at every level. Winners win. In investing, past success is no guarantee of future results, but when evaluating talent of personnel, I like people who have experience as winners.
Third, he is a tough, scrappy guy, who has come up through non-glamourous positions. He has had something to prove, and has done it. My guess (my hope) is that he would like to prove it on even a higher level.
Third, Cincinnati will never be able to offer him the money or facilities that ND can offer. He is an ambitious guy.
Mark G | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
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Not saying he would come, but the Stoops article cited above doesn't strike me as a compelling denial. "Ridiculous" makes a good headline, but if you read closely, it seems Stoops is saying what's "ridiculous" is the claim that he confided to someone that he wanted ND. Stoops also leaves the back door open by saying there's no job opening at ND anyway. No need to add that line if you're not interested at all.
The writer shows his bias here: "the Notre Dame job is nowhere close to what it use to be. Restrictive academic standards and the unwillingness of the Irish faithful to recognize the changing landscape have diminished Notre Dame's status among elite programs."
I just don't believe that coaches really buy that. I'm not saying we can lure someone away from a successful top tier program, but even those guys know that if they take the ND job, they'll be Page 1 news the next day. Of course, they'll have to win to stay there. But the potential upside is huge.
OK, you trade off marginal academic players - which is huge, I get it -- but you gain weekly national TV exposure, a true national recruiting base, a leg up at all the catholic HS's in the country, and whatever intangibles the "tradition" adds. It's a different model than Florida, Texas or OU, and I would understand if those guys didn't want to retool, but it's not clear it's unworkable at an elite level.
What do you guys think? Am I just "unwilling to recognize the changing landscape?"
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:14 am | #
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Haha Kelly's comment was essentially "No comment", just a lot nicer.
Mark G, I agree--it's so funny that people talk about Kelly like he's an offensive guru only, when they forget he was a defensive coordinator. I will bet my house payment (don't have one, get miiltary housing, heyo!) that our D would improve with Kelly as the HC.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:14 am | #
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I will say it again -- some of the rumors about Kelly are being spread by Univ of Cincinnati fans who are trying to scare off ND. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist saying this, but this is what UC grads told me they were doing, and I believe them.
Mark G | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:18 am | #
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Mike81, I agree with you--as I said, I was just posting the article. But I DO think that Stoops to ND is ridiculous--not because ND isn't good enough, but he's already entrenched at a national historical power who's paying him 3mil a year and has already won an NC. Why leave?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:19 am | #
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Nate, at the end of the day I think you're probably right.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:22 am | #
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Random thought: Charlie's recruiting philosophy is "If you're looking, we're looking." Does this mean he should be looking for NFL teams who need offensive coordinators?
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:28 am | #
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If he were caught looking around it would sure make it a lot easier JS to pull the trigger.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:39 am | #
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Stoops also leaves the back door open by saying there's no job opening at ND anyway. No need to add that line if you're not interested at all.
It's fraternity etiquette. You don't undercut a fellow coach who is on the hot seat by referring to the attractiveness of his job. In fact, you refuse to address the question at all.
DJ | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:40 am | #
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http://irishbandofbrothers.blogs...wheels-
are.html
GhostofGipper | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:44 am | #
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I like the idea of Paul Johnson because I enjoyed the demoralizing effect of long, punishing drives while watching Holtz's teams. Plus it's been said over and over again that superior athletes with strength and speed make great defenses in the college game. Notre Dame is unlikely to attract the sort of defensive talent that Florida and Alabama do, so a ball-control offense that protects the defense as much as possible is, in my opinion, the way to go at Notre Dame.
Our last national championship was won with an offense almost identical to Paul Johnson's.
Lou | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:45 am | #
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Mike81, my first thought after reading that Stoops/ND article linked above was how slanted/biased it was. It irks me when guys state opinions or rumors as if they're known facts, ie:
"A few years ago, reacting to false rumors Weis was being pursued by NFL teams, Notre Dame signed its then hot-shot head coach to a 10-year extension that is paying him somewhere between $4 to $5 million annually. The buyout is also said to be around $4 million to get rid of Weis before the contract ends... So we are talking more than $7 million in buyout money..."
Weak-ass writing. Another example of today's typical, wanna-be-edgy, writers who feel like they have to put their own spin on crap to get somewhere.
baIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:50 am | #
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If the source from the Band of Brothers post can be trusted, I have a hell of a lot more hope in this round of the job search than I did 5 years ago.
its aggressive, to say the least.
Can anyone comment on the possible veracity of it? Has BOB had the inside track on information before?
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:50 am | #
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On the other hand, if that post is accurate, they're really starting to sell their soul to the devil. Between the scheduling, the Juco's, the special Nike contract, Meyer's questionable ethics, $400,000 for doing what should be a basic requirement of ND coaches (graduate players), I'm not too excited.
Bowe | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:12 pm | #
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Don: I think you misunderstood my comments regarding Kelly. I was replying to Nate's post as to whether or not he would come to ND, not if he was/is a Top Tier candidate (he is). I said nothing about his talent as a coach, just that other programs will be gunning for him as well and ND has been left at the altar by their top tier coaches in the past two searches.
Nate: Regarding the extramarital affair reference, I recall seeing that comment on two boards in blogosphere land, along with references to comments he may or may not have made concerning his stance on abortion (which was beaten to death earlier in this thread). If he chooses to go to an Illinois or a Colorado, he would not have to deal with any of that scrutiny, false or otherwise.
I hope I am wrong, but ND needs to try and find somebody considered Tier 2, on their way to being a top flight head coach. I will remain optimistic, but the facts of ND's last two coaching searches keep ringing in my head. Sure the cupboard is far less bare this time around, but the perception on the defensive talent is likely no better (or worse) than years past and the fact that Clausen and Tate could walk obviously dents the perception of being able to win right away with a new QB coming off of major knee surgery.
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:28 pm | #
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GAG. I mean, I like the aggressiveness, but I SOOOOOO don't want Urban Meyer. I'm not taking this as fact though, anyone can post anything they want. The BGS folks could post that they had "inside sources" that Swarbrick was in Ft Worth talking to Patterson, or at ESPN headquarters talking to Lou Holtz, or on the golf course looking to hire Willingham back.
and $50 million? SERIOUSLY? WOW.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:31 pm | #
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Geez, I know, man. All that's gonna be so hard to stomach when we're playing for all the marbles in two years.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:32 pm | #
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Kelly would be a good choice, but I'd rather have Johnson.
The not-gonna-happen is Holtz. I'd love to see Lou again.
stewvee | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:34 pm | #
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Re Irish BOB post, I would be very surprised if Swarbrick and especially Jenkins were jetting off to see any coach/agent/AD.
These kind of discussions are done through intermediaries, at least initially (and at least until the season is over). That is why schools hire search firms to make these initial contacts for them. In that way there is plausible deniability on both sides. At least that is the way smart schools do it, and Swarbrick is nothing if not smart. This isn't his first rodeo.
Mark G | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:34 pm | #
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Sonofason: Which is why I would think we'd want a Tier 1 coach, not a Tier 2--a Tier 1 coach would likely keep recruiting intact as best as possible, may convince Tate to stay, and if it's Kelly, we know he can win with anyone at QB (4 QB's used last year, his backup this year is playing at All American level).
As to the rumors, pfffft.
Bowe: I'm inclined to agree. I REALLY don't like the Nike deal idea...Lord only knows what they'd try to do to our uniforms. Next thing you know we've got bumper tread on our shoulders like Oregon...
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:35 pm | #
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watching charlie now, he is digging in his hells, the silence has broken and there is not deal in place to retire for health reasons. charlies looks emboldened to me...
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:38 pm | #
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His words on his future at ND "full speed ahead". He referenced the next two games and recruiting. It's gonna be a long two weeks.
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:40 pm | #
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You know, I completely forgot him until just now, and I know he wouldn't be the most popular choice, but I'll just say it: Mike Leach. How fun would it be to have the Pirate King as our coach? Sure, we'd not be great on defense, but we'd win 9-10 games most years, and the quotes would be pure gold.
Not really throwing that out there for real, just sayin'
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:44 pm | #
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How come the authors of this blog don't post much anymore? There's certainly a lot to talk about re: Notre Dame football these days.
Ricky Runnin' Waters | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:49 pm | #
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To Nate: I want a "Tier 1" coach for all of those reasons as well. I am just not expecting one...
Charlie looked hunky dory in his press conference. Not a care in the world. As the other poster put it, "emboldened". Makes me feel a little for the guy after the ride his reputation keeps taking on the web, but you reap to a degree what you sow.
I am hoping he has come to some degree of agreement that he will be a company man, put a strong face on the program and carry a strong message through these next two games so that the university can make the transition to a new coach as smooth as possible around bowl time. But that is probably quite a conspiracy leap...sigh
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:51 pm | #
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Mike Leach would never leave Tech on his own.
Doesnt matter the job or the money - the guy is the King of Lubbock.
He could run a train on the cheerleading team on the 50 yard line and the Admin will tell everyone to look away.
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:53 pm | #
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Diesel, you must have forgotten the quite nasty contract dispute he had last year, where he threatened the AD with walking. There's a bit of a sense that he doesn't feel appreciated.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 12:57 pm | #
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Nate - An ex girlfriend of mine works for Greek Life @ TTU and she was telling one day that the dispute was less about money and more about who had the biggest sack on campus.
Leach won.
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 1:01 pm | #
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*That being said - I'd take him.
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 1:02 pm | #
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I shall defer to your inside source. And yes, he does have a set of juevos. Not sure we'd win any NC's with him, but man, it'd sure be fun.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 1:03 pm | #
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Sure would - it sure would ...
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 1:06 pm | #
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leach could not coach here, i dont think he has the patience to deal with the ND way, and his offense would struggle in November due to weather. should be interesting to see how he does now that he reached the pinnacle from last year. at at TT, it harder to stay there then it is to get there. not so at Tex or USC of Fla.
leach would not work for me at ND
belocki | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 1:23 pm | #
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The pirates are too weird.. argh>>>
Weis will never see the big picture, never has and never will..
there is some gray between arrogance and ignorance.. think Charlie is clearing it up though
jmc | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 1:34 pm | #
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Why would we want Leach? We have a more humane version of him now. So what if you can fling a football around. The point is winning. Not just beating weak teams (which would be nice in Weis' case) but being competitive at the highest level.
It would be nice that even in a rebuilding/off year we can still be feared, ala the 1992 Sugar Bowl where a rebuilding 9-3 #18 ND team simply out manned a record setting pass-happy U of F (10-1 #3) team. It was a game that cause Spurrier to realize he had to have a defense.
Whatever happens now, I hope the team can focus. UCONN and Stanford are both hungry. We can win both if we just keep it together.
This is the reason Charlie has to go - because every year until he is gone or he wins a NC, he is a distraction at the end of the year with all the speculation about his status.
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 2:27 pm | #
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You want a great coach,who gets no publicity? Tom Bradley,Penn State Defensive Coordinator and Secondary coach.He has coached there for 25 years and is respected by the players.He has learned from one of the best.Plus it would be great to take a coach away from JoePa.
irishjh2 | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 2:34 pm | #
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It must be an awkward feeling to have people debate whether you will have a job in a few months. Of course, I would be willing to endure the scrutiny in exchange for a few $million payout.
Who knows what happens with Charlie Weis, but I do hope that people keep it civil and respect the individual and his family. I don't think anyone can legitimately quesiton his committment to the job or your university. The more I learn about CW, the more I like.
Fight On, Charlie!
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 2:36 pm | #
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He will be back. Call of the dogs WEIS will be back in 2010.
Come one come all lets get back on the WEis Wagon... Well lets wait and see if we can beat UCONN.
Side note How close is tate to the any records??? Two more games and than were off on recruiting. Thats the Plan.
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 2:42 pm | #
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Will someone please tell me why JS does not come out and back Charlie or just let him go. I guess what I am getting at is if ND either wins or loses the next two games will it make a difference whether he stays or goes, I don't think so. Why not get it over with. Each day that goes by more doubt creeps into those recruits heads.
If we win the next two games and JS fires Charlie, I am going to start the official fire JS website!
Where is the tylenol?
ron burgandy | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 2:44 pm | #
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Good point, Ron. This whole thing sucks for the players and sucks for recruiting. Best to end it now and immediately get on with the tough work ahead.
Mack | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 2:47 pm | #
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This is the reason Charlie has to go - because every year until he is gone or he wins a NC, he is a distraction at the end of the year with all the speculation about his status.
OldFan | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 2:27 pm | #
Unfortunately that is part of why ND has had such a problem getting someone to take this job. Every year since 1994 the coach is on the hot seat because we aren't in the NC game.
5 coaches in that time and the vitrol, scrutiny and Know it all-ness(?) of the ND fan base makes this job more trouble than its worth to alot of people.
I hate that it's the way it is. But how much does history have to repeat itself to show that it might not always be the coach?
aaron b | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:04 pm | #
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Golden is gone! Bank on it. No reason whatsoever to stay. Jimmy needs one more year to prove he is not Brady.
ND67Aquajock | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:16 pm | #
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It doesn't really matter from a recruiting standpoint. The current commits will either leave when weis is fired or will wait until they hear who the new coach will be before they decide.
We're not going to have a new coach announced for a while (no way Kelly will accept prior to seeing how their season plays out). So, a couple/few weeks isn't going to make a difference.
I just hope Jack is busy making a good list, paring it down, and putting out feelers for candidates.
ODog | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:23 pm | #
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Aaronb, are you suggesting that Willingham, Davie, and Weis are good coaches? Please feel free to visit planet Earth some time. I'll continue to think it's the coaches, thank you very much. As for Holtz, a number of things other than record led to his being forced out.
The "Weis-haters expect to win a NC every year" card is played out. It's a strawman used by those who want to deflect attention from the current coaching problems at ND.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:34 pm | #
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GoIrish, we will have to agree to disagree. I'll just finish by pointing out that keeping Latina for 4 years also shows Weis's suspect judgment with assistants. Tenuta and Brown may both be highly regarded, but it is Weis's job to make them mesh. He hasn't done that. Weis abandoned the run way too early against Navy and Pitt, and many other games over his tenure. He just loves his passing game and QBs a little too much.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:37 pm | #
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Nate - and just as soon as I say that he'd never leave this comes out ....
http://www.fannation.com/truth_a...job?
eref=fromSI
... granted it's T&R but what are the chances, LOL
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:39 pm | #
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Just repeating...would rather have one more year of the same, than making too quick a hire.
Its getting old { as am I} having these same conversations every 3 or 4 years.
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:47 pm | #
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Dana, that was my thinking after the 2008 season. Two mulligans is enough, IMO.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 3:53 pm | #
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irishjh2:
Joepa et al lost it for me a few years ago.
From 2002- 2008 46 PSU players had 163 counts charged against them.
27 of those players were convicted on 45 counts.
Perhaps I am unfairly painting coaches...but ND does not need the "Penn State way" in any way, shape, or form.
And that includes scheduling cupcakes as well.
This is based on an ESPN article published in July 2008...among others
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 4:04 pm | #
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Aaronb said:
Unfortunately that is part of why ND has had such a problem getting someone to take this job. Every year since 1994 the coach is on the hot seat because we aren't in the NC game.
5 coaches in that time and the vitrol, scrutiny and Know it all-ness(?) of the ND fan base makes this job more trouble than its worth to alot of people.
I hate that it's the way it is. But how much does history have to repeat itself to show that it might not always be the coach?
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So Aaron, the "coach is on the hot seat because ND is not in the NC game every year!!!" Are you kidding me? ND fans would take a few solid wins ovr quality opponents, ANY quality opponent with LESS than 4 losses over the past 5 YEARS!!! Can you honestly tell me that should invoke courtesy and patience....really, after five years?!? I hereby revoke your ND card, because you obviously never actually watch the games. Unreal. Oh, and it is almost ALWAYS the coach in a sport like football. The consumate team sport.
And Dana I too am tired of this chatter every year, but if the right hire is made, it goes away. Weis is not the right hire. Will the last Weis apologist please turn out the lights...
sonofasonofadomer | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 4:15 pm | #
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Sonofdomersquared...
You are correct sir!
Dana Payne | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 4:18 pm | #
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I really think that JS knows that time is short. I for one can tell you that if CW is back for next year, my enthusiasm will be way down, and when the season takes the annual November dive off a cliff, I don't won't even be worrying about who our next coach is.
We're stuck in a rut. Three years in a row we've had this convo. Three strikes and your'e out Charlie. I'm sorry. Turn in the headset.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 4:26 pm | #
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Can somebody clue me in....
How many guys have turned down the ND job...
You guys make it sound like this job is hard to give away, is it really?
Outside of Urban, who saw the empty cupboards of Ty, who else??
I thank CW for proving that the recruting of Ty was Ty's fault and not a need for ND to lower the standards. For that he should be commended.. and any future success should be shared by him. BUT he is not the guy that will lead these guys to that success...
Much like Faust, we need a Lou, a proven college coach who can shake these boys up... 5am workouts, big TEAM little me t-shirts, etc....
When Lou came in, the wakeup call went on... and 3 years later NC...
and to be honest, as have been said by many, compared to the Faust/LOU transition... the expectations are so much lower at ND now... I think most of us would take beating Navy, SC and Pitt... and aren't demanding NC's like those days... at least yet
jmc | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 4:41 pm | #
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I disagree with those calling for an immediate yea or nay from Swarbrick. If he cuts Charlie loose before having a replacement all but signed, we're set up for the kind of circus where coaches who would never be asked turn down the job in advance, and any chance to woo a really big name under the radar is gone. My hunch is Swarbrick is smoother than that. He's a corporate lawyer with a history of deal making. I suspect we'll hear from JS when he's got a whole package to deliver. True, that may mean a couple weeks of uncertainty, but no recruit is going to walk away until he hears how the story ends.
Mike81 | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 5:03 pm | #
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JMC;
Good comment.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 5:05 pm | #
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JMC - I think many of us are going back to the O'Leary / TW hire... even before that.
If I remember correctly Gruden was very much in the mix back then. THere were also a number of other people who were approached and didn't want it.
O'Leary was not an anyone's radar as a topflight candidate when the job first opened. We settled.. that backfired and we had to settle yet again.
Then with CW... he wasn't on the shortlist to start with either.
domer03inflorence | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 5:09 pm | #
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aaaannd let the recruiting collapse begin ...
Joshua Shaw is now a Gator ... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/r...tory?
id=4663189
Chris Martin is still "committed" but will be taking all his visits and making a decision in December.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/r...tory?
id=4664021
Toney Hurd is "keeping an open mind"
http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s...2%
2f920650.html
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 5:15 pm | #
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For those of you who wonder where the new posts are, you aren't picking up on the subtle genius of Pat, Jay, and the guys. This "I've got an actual job" malarky is a smokescreen.
What these guys are doing is brilliantly mirroring the style of the football team this year. You expect a new post on Tuesday? Well I expected the team to score more than 3 points before the 10 minute mark of the fourth quarter, too, but they don't.
Instead, the new entries come fast and furious, under the wire, crammed in at the very end, their fingers flying over the keyboard with the alacrity of Golden Tate streaking down the field with the Michigan State band in his sights.
Why, it's just like watching the Irish play.
Very post-modern. It reflects the fine education and pop cultural savoir faire of the creators of this fine blog.
I think it's Webby-worthy.
Joe Subway | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 5:21 pm | #
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Nice, Joe Sub. Thought for sure you were going for the "BGS crew secretly chosen to scour the country & vet our new Head Coach" angle.
Of course, if that were the case, they'd probably still chip in just enough of the photo links, "Gameday!" posts, etc to throw us off the trail. But then if they were REALLY clever, they'd expect us to expect that... and would conclude that absolute silence would be the best diversion. Ingenious!
What? You don't buy it? Inconceivable!
baIrish | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 5:36 pm | #
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Mike,
I hope you are right, if we end up with Stoops in the end, I don't care how we get there. However, if he is going to keep him, for the sake of recruiting, just come out and say it. If he goes or stays, I don't care. The people making that decision are clearly smarter than me. I just hate to see these recruits leave.
ron burgandy | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 5:38 pm | #
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Nyshier Oliver: Then
http://www.uhnd.com/blog/notre-d...hier-oliver-15/
Nyshier Oliver: Now
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=4664872
DieselKnight | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:02 pm | #
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You know things are down when the famed bluegraysky.blogspot.com author rarely posts anymore. Yikes.
Fire Weis. Hire Urban or Kelly.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:20 pm | #
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So the news is out and... there's no news. The drumbeat in this commentary made for an anticlimactic Tuesday, I must say.
Not sure if anyone here reads ESPN's Tuesday Morning Quarterback. He's much more focused on the pro game, often with a slant toward science and math. In this week's column, he offers the following thoughts on the ND situation:
Sportstalk radio continues to call for the head of Charlie Weis of Notre Dame, whose team is "only" 6-4 after close losses to power schools. Must be that when Weis got to South Bend, immediately he forgot how to coach. Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham, his predecessors, saw their coaching careers hit the rocks, too, upon arrival at South Bend, followed by boosters' demands that it become 1966 again and Notre Dame roll over opponents.
TMQ thinks Notre Dame alums should be proud of the football program's recent struggles -- because the reason for the struggles is that Notre Dame still requires football players to attend class. Over the past couple of decades, increasingly most top 20 football schools have discarded any pretense of education. With a 94 percent football graduation rate, Notre Dame is competing against programs with a 68 percent football graduation rate (Florida), a 55 percent graduation rate (Alabama) and a 50 percent graduation rate (Texas); other football power schools have similarly miserable grad rates. Low graduation rates at big football schools mean players cut class to concentrate on sports, being pros in all but pay. "Don't go to Notre Dame, they make you study there, come to our college and party, party, party" has become a recruiting pitch that undercuts the Fighting Irish. It is extremely cynical of other football powers not to educate their players; Notre Dame is among the few football powers (others are Boston College, Nebraska and Stanford) to refuse to give in to such cynicism. Want the Irish to win more games? If the school stopped making football players do term papers, results would improve. That would hardly be in the best interest of the players -- or of Notre Dame.
Two weeks ago, when Navy defeated Norte Dame in the closing seconds at South Bend, both teams and 80,795 people stood quietly and respectfully in the twilight as "Blue and Gold," the Navy alma mater song, was played -- only a genuine institution of learning like Notre Dame could produce such a moment. Wasn't it worth more than a victory? Wasn't it far more impressive than the mindless fist-shaking exhibited by some big-deal football programs after 40-point wins against cupcakes?
Sorry for the long quotation, especially since it's not a new argument for this thread. I just happen to agree with his sentiment.
Louie | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:28 pm | #
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Why would ND's AD comment on the head coach's status? CW is head coach until the AD says he no longer is.
Fans/Alums/Students and the media speculating on CW's status is not cause for the AD to say a thing or accelerate any possible decision. Its not as if there was a line drawn in the sand (by the AD) and CW crossed it.
Fortunately, fans have almost zero say in the day-to-day operations or strategic direction of a team.
WeAreSC | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:28 pm | #
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Well if Kirk says CW is done, he must be done.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4664492
Trevor | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:34 pm | #
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sc,
I understand where you are coming from, however, in this day and age when recruits see and hear a lot of information, I think JS just needs to say if he has made up his mind. We will continue to loose recruits no matter what, the question is how many. The quicker this is resolved the quicker the bleeding stops. You and I both know that ESPIN will beat this thing to death until it is resolved, and until that day comes recruiting takes a hit.
ron burgandy | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:49 pm | #
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kirk predicted les miles to michigan
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:49 pm | #
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We're clearly on the border of systemic mediocrity. Weis may have taken us across that line. The university's dismal string of terrible hires--Davie, Willingham, O'Leary, Weis--is evidence of another systemic collapse, suggesting arrogance or incomptence, or both.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 6:58 pm | #
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Remember Nyshier Oliver, the kid from New Joisey, who committed to UTen, and decommitted to commit to ND, and then re-commited to UTenn. whew, that is alot of $hit to type, well....
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/ne...tory?
id=4664872
CW. The Story continues............
jim masterson | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 7:19 pm | #
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StadiumDudeNamedChip
What happened to the box you saw Charlie's wife carrying out of the Gug? Was that a mirage?
GB | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 7:30 pm | #
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Joe Subway
Good one!
GB | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 7:37 pm | #
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Who cares about the recruits?? They have nothing to do with the decision or when it's made. The kids who don't want to come won't and the kids that do will.
Jack has repeated over and over that a decision will not be made until the end of the season. By that statement one should probably assume that Weis hasn't done enough to keep his job next year yet (quite the opposite in my opinion - and the majority of those on this board).
Weis is clearly teetering on the edge, if that. As bad as it sounds, I think Weis might get another year IF he wins out and looks decent in the wins (which I don't think there's a chance in Hell that happens).
If Weis is going to be fired, the situation will not be resolved for the recruits until a new coach is announced, which could not be any sooner than 2 or 3 weeks - possibly longer if we want to score a big name (which I certainly do). So, any further statement by Jack is meaningless until a replacement is announced. And if it's the right replacement, the recruits that may defect between now and then won't matter.
ODog | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 8:16 pm | #
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Just found out that the box was a bunch of ND swag that Henry was giving to the workers at Hannah's.
Weis is coming back. All of us no matter how you feel,it is the last home game and every one needs to be on the same page. LIKE weis or not, it is a home game and ND NATION lets not let the guys down. Lets Cheer and have fun and keep it loud. God bless and GO IRISH
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 8:16 pm | #
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Throw out all the names you want but it boils down to this:
1. Weis must go for a new coach to be hired--this has not happened and may not happen.
2. The new coach must be a college HEAD coach with a proven track record who has recruited and coached under academic standards similar to ND's.
Conclusion--Paul Johnson or possibly Tom Couglin.
pangborn | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 8:23 pm | #
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Watch He will be back.
StadiumDudeNamedChip | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 8:29 pm | #
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I love how the threadjack gestapo calls people names if they suggest Charlie Weis shouldn't be shot on site.
Classy
Aaron b | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 9:09 pm | #
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Charlie is the Man.
Let him coach in peace.
Weis' Dad | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 9:21 pm | #
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Ultimately all of us will likely support whoever the coach is (at least initially).
Bottom line is that due dillegence needs to be done. If the BOB's decide a buyout is prohibative and elect to keep Charlie. Hopefully we can support that.
If they conclude that they can't get a legitimate tier 1 coach. Instead giving Chuck another year. Hopefully everyone will be supportive.
If they elect to make a change and don't have another embarrasing search like 01 or 04 were. Provided we get a good coach. Then surely everyone will support that as well.
I just fear we pay an 18 million dollar buyout and then get used by everyone to get raises at their current schools. Only to end up with Schiano or Tuberville.
It's a thin line. Unfortunately average Joe fan doesn't always grasp that.
Aaron b | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:04 pm | #
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Aaronb, if you are making a veiled reference to me, I must point out that you have used language like "cocksucker" and "fuckwad" in attacking those who oppose the CWBKs, if I am not mistaken. I don't mind being on the receiving end of salty language because I'm sometimes guilty of using the same, but if you are going to act holier-than-thou, make sure you tone down your own language first.
ndfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 10:44 pm | #
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1. Charlie's Presser comments mean nothing. What's he supposed to say? Without an official announcement either way, he's not going to say "Yeah, we talked it over and I'm staying" or "yeah, we talked it over, I'm going to coach the last 2 games and then I'm done". Until there is an official announcement, he continues on like normal. Nothing else for him to do. Of course he's "concentrating on UCONN"--until he has a officially reason not to, that's what he better say.
2. The lack of an announcement by the University is deafening in its silence. If Swarbrick was keeping Weis, they'd have made an announcement by now. You DON'T make an announcement without something/someone to announce about, so there's no reason to announce Weis is fired yet. If he doesn't have someone lined up yet, then it'd be stupid to announce. If he does, then likely that coach still has 2 games left to coach at his current employer, and it'd just be wrong to announce that he's leaving now. The lack of comment from the University leads me to believe that action IS being taken. Counterintuitive, maybe...giving them too much credit, maybe...but it doesn't make sense otherwise.
3. Yeah, like I said, I was just bringing in Leach for grins. Average High in Lubbock in Nov is 62, Average for SB is 48--14 degree difference. Not sure I really buy the idea that his offense is a "warm weather" offense, as the spread works for other northern teams too, but whatever--he's not coming to ND, the admin couldn't handle him.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:26 pm | #
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And I still can't believe people would suggest Coughlin...dear lord, NOOOOOOO.....
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:27 pm | #
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Hey, Tommy West and Mike Sanford are available...
after all, we seem to be throwing anyone who's ever coached football out there as a rumor, why not?
Vince Lombardi's ghost might be a candidate too.
Nate | Email | Homepage | 11.17.09 - 11:32 pm | #
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If CW loves ND, as we keep hearing, he wouldn't stick the school with the huge buyout bill we also keep hearing about.
jake | Email | Homepage | 11.18.09 - 11:18 am | #
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