Williams is a beast. Think of how much better he was as a freshman than TLaws or Landri. With similar development...


Pat; A thinly veiled swipe at Dr. White.
Touche!


Pat, as always thanks for the information which is always interesting and timely. Maybe we will see the day when our Irish are truly recognized for graduating intelligent young men who are prepared for life.


Recently, LB Brian Smith was secretly awarded(in absentia) the highly coveted (though completely unknown) "Voice in the Wilderness 2007 Notre Dame Freshman MVP". Kerry Neal was runner-up.

Kudos to Big Ian for quietly impressing the national media.


Congrats to Brian Smith.
I have heard about that award and was wondering who would be the lucky recipient.
My early projection for the "VIW" in '08 is Ethan Johnson.


Michael Floyd is my pre-season favorite for the "VIW Freshman MVP" in '08. Voice, I raise my Guiness to you for all your great and informative posts this past year (the one where you dropped the crabcake down your shorts is still my all time favorite!). I would love to see all your postseason awards picks as well as who will make the Pre-Season All Voice Team for 2008.

Voice, Cheers and thanks for the entertainment and pertinent information in all your posts.


Wow - in the photo, Charlie dwarfs Ian


LOL!


Check out the comments at the end of this post....speechless. totally speechless.

http://www.uhnd.com/blog/2008/un...te-nfl-rosters/


I just read that Ryan Grant is the leading NFL rusher for the last half of the season with over 1100 yards and a 5.4 average.


bgr; I believe CW said the same thing in a different way about not losing to certain teams. He, of course, did not disparage the two academies that the reporter said ND should never play.
But I do somewhat agree with him. The talent level is too great for ND to be losing to certain teams over a five year or ten year period, see MSU.
Ant to lose 9 games is really a shocking surprise.
On a positive note they defeated both Duke and Stanford, with Stanford rebounding and beating Cal in their "big game."


I think bgr was making reference to the comments of the amazing Bob Gilleran at the end of that post. That is what will truly leave you speechless. I get a little queezy knowing that Bob lives in the same state I do. He doesn't help dispell the "Crazy Californians" rep.


Jim, bgr was referring to the comments section on that post linked to above. Like pornography, you'll know it when you see it.


Thank you jim masterson for your graciousness and kindness. Don't forget, I am president of YOUR fan club! And, just between you and me, Ethan Johnson is already an early favorite in the clubhouse for the VIW '08 trophy.

GO IRISH!!!! , your words so flattered and moved me that, yes, I nearly dropped a crabcake in my shorts. domer03inbmore also enjoys my tales of the crabcake, and in your and his honor I am considering a VIW Crabcake of the Year trophy, but as yet have not formulated what the criteria is for winning, nor whom is actually eligible for consideration. Members of my family are not eligible.
I raise my Guiness to you, kind sir.


I hereby declare myself to be the president of the Robert T. Gilleran fan club. (Follow BGR's link and scroll to the comments, for those not familiar with The Great Enumerator). Google the exact phrase "lazy Bob Davie" and prepare to be amazed.


Oh Muse, what would the ND blogosphere be without the delusional conspiracy theories and legalese of the amazing, awe-inspiring Robert T. Gilleran?

I vote that BGS does some investigative reporting so we can know more about this fine and apparently highly-influential man.


Voice, IMHO, the criteria for the Crabcake of the Year Award (or, if you will, "The Crabby") should be for the event, player, or blogger who did the most to make you jump up, say "WTF?", and drop a crabcake in your shorts. For instance, the Grimes "incomplete TD catch" at Stanford would be a nominee for a "Crabby". Just one possibility.


Thanks for the Guiness toast. Here's to us hoisting one in victory a lot more in the near future!!


Bob Gilleran vs. tOSU is righteous......who would win?


LOL, Go Irish! Unfortunately, in naming the Crabby Awards, you may run into some trademark or copyright issues as Mac designers bestow this distinguished award upon each other. But I won't tell...


VIW; I'm honored!
VIW, how about a "BJ...........D, to honor Jim Dougherty??????


Wow!!
I just finished reading the "magnus opus" of Mr. Bob Gilleran. I am now one of his disciples.
That's an amazing tribute to CW and Corwin Brown.
On another note, someone did a statistical review of hours spent by football players at the major universities in which the avg. number of hours spent in all aspects of football averaged out to 44.5 hrs. a week.
WTF.
What happened to the NCAA mandated 20 hr. week.
I don't believe ND was named as a culprit.
The reasoning being that ND's name would have been emblazoned on the headline.


Go Irish!!!! Thanks for establishing the parameters for the Crabcake Award. Thus, the 2007 Voice in the Wilderness Crabcake Award goes to Tom Zbikowski and everyone who had a part in the disallowed "crazy lateral play" at Stanford. The runner-up was the disallowed Grimes TD catch (that you referenced) in the same game. The Stanford game was better for my regularity than a weekend-long colonics workshop at a Palo Alto hippie kibbutz.


Sorry to nitpick, but let's give the word the respect it deserves and spell "Guinness" correctly going forward.

Gilleran for president.

Expanding upon Mr. Dougherty's question, what will yallz' reaction be if Charlie has the cojones to not fire any assistants and keep this increasingly sorry staff intact? I, as Gary so eloquently put it in Weird Science, will sh*t eggrolls. Without naming names, at least two have to go.


Tony Spilotro, I wrote this catchy litle ditty during the season:

Latina and Mendoza
Have really gotta goza.
If you keep Ron Powlus
It's just your way to ball us.
And even a Mongolian
Would dump that little Polian.

Not my best work. My best work was "Oust Faust".


Wow. What a waste of a Yale law degree. He actually fired his own clients for obnoxious behavior (probably justifiable in Family Law). Agreed, something is very off.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/calbar/...ct/97oct- 23.htm

Dining on crabcakes and egg rolls will forever be accompanied by an image I'd rather not have while eating!


OC; Way to crush another hero of mine. Sigh.
What a great article.


Is Kuntz going to be elligble next year. Heard that he had to take summer classes? And if he doesn't pass those, there may be another transfer. It'd be a shame if that's true, because he just started to really come on.


Nice research, OC. Sadly, these stories are not uncommon enough in the law. Mr. Gilleran is obviously a very intelligent, very ill man. Sad.

But his comments about lazy Bob Davie are H-I-larious!!!


He's obviously crazy, but nothing makes me laugh harder than Gilleran's comments. Although the Ace Ventura comment on that same page definitely gave Bob a run for his money.


1. My head hurts.

2. Ryan Grant is the sh*t in Green Bay right now.

3. No other NFL player's last name starts with Q?? Interesting.

4. My head hurts.

5. Ryan Grant is an amazing running back.

6.


I think you forgot "have a nice day!"


jay,

1. this site is all but misinformed on the Ty atrocity.

2. if Ty wasnt left to sit there bare on the doctors chair because of lazy Bob Davie, we might have won the National Championship.

3. So Ty realized he wouldnt do this, so instead he played golf like any other civilized person would do.

4. Ryan Grant on the other hand, after being shafted by Julius Jones, one of Lazy Bob Davies' most notable recruits

5. Is really doing well, now. He got his chance at Green Bay this season.

6. and, wow, did ryan take advantage of that chance. The other day, at a bake sale, I watched the game, and boy did Ryan make adjustments.

7. Could Notre Dame have made adjustments to win sooner.

Yes, they could have cheated like and lowered standards.

8. Notre Dame didnt choose the quick fix, but if they had, evidence of Reggie Bush's bush would be all over the place.

9. So Pete Carrol would come sniff around here, kind of like a poodle.

10. Now, if Lazy Bob Davie, had talked to Bob Stoops about his scandal, perhaps we would have been better?

False, black bears eat bees, beats battlestar galactica.


I'm glad to see that in the season's lee, the thoughts of Irish nation be productive of some lyric riffs and comedy. Signing day will be upon us soon enough. For now, let us incline toward raffish poetry.


Robert T. Gilleran; My hero!
Welcome to the finest Notre Dame site.
We have it all here Robert.
Schematics, understanding of football formations both offensively and defensively, plus a great cast of fans, led by the ubiquitous "Voice in the Wilderness." and the talented and lovely OCmj, which I think stands for Orange County Mary-Jane.


Your assumptions and all your postings on this site are so misinformed because I am in the "know" with my finger on the pulse of, not only everything pertaining to the USC program, but also to the innerworkings of the ND football program and administration.

1. I saw a picture of Charlie Weis' living room. He has a stone ND on his fireplace and I know the contractor who installed that piece and it actually is a secret panel that opens a door to an underground laboratory.

2. In this laboratory, Coach Weis is working on a super clone of Tom Brady and Brady Quinn.

3. And I happen to know that in 2010, a freshman will be enrolling at ND named Brady Brady due to a loophole at the corrupt and racist NCAA, which is ambiguous in regards to enrolling clones.

M. Lazy Bob Davie will be the commentator at Brady Brady's first game as a starter and his head will explode when seeing this Super-Frosh. He will know his efforts to thwart the recruiting successes of Notre Dame have failed and his ploy to tear down the program is at an end.

7. Mustard tastes good on my sandwich, but I do not like to eat pudding.

Q. USC and Pete Carroll are actually controlling the Republican primaries through subliminal messages imprinted via holograms on their player's jerseys.

&. Ding-Dongs are actually the cure for cancer.

9. I know all and I know everyone. By the way, I have just billed everyone who reads this $400 an hour for being obnoxious because...I AM BOB GILLERAN!!!


I'll contribute!
Keep those posts coming "King."


Do I owe more if I had to read it twice?


Norm Chow as the QB coach? Wouldnt that be a coup for CW.


Mr. Masterson, I am blushing at the compliments. You got everything right except "Jane" - it's "Jo".

Who is/are behind the pseudonym(s)? Will you ever reveal yourselves? Absolutely brilliant!


Ryan Mallet to Arkansas?


I wish CW would hire Norm Chow.


Doug, Good to hear from you! Where did the Norm Chow stuff come from?! What have I missed?


Rich Rodriquez pulled a Sandy Berger and stuck confidential reports on players, training, class attendance in his pants and socks as he slithered out the door to Ann Arbor ( a woman of ill-repute).
His agent said he is holding them in retaliation for WVU's law suit against Rodriquez buy-out clause, which is a reported $4 million.
UM, another public university that espouses the moral turpitude of Joe Stalin, and dares to compare itself to "du lac."
OC Mary Joe; You are the best of a classy lot on this blog.
Great old readings of Clinton on the "Onion" today and Mark Steyn.


jim masterson, I love a post that manages to get in both a Sandy Burglar and a Mark Steyn reference. Nice work!


I did some homework and learned that the Titans fired Norm Chow (that would be, "Ciao Chow") today and have basically scapegoated him for Vince Young's shittay season and corresponding slump in development. It's the Madden Curse, I tell you! I want to see Derek Anderson on Madden '09. But I digress. Jeff Fisher was out of his mind to pass over Leinart when he had Chow already on his staff two years ago. Chow coaching Young on QB play was fupped uck from the gitgo.
Gawd how I wish he'd come to ND, but I think we'll be seeing either a Carson Palmer reunion in Cincy, or one with Matt Leinart in Arizona.


Norm Chow......I'll have to reserve judgement until I hear what Robert T Gilleran thinks about this...."did Robert T Gilleran tell you to hire Norm Chow? Do you know what a Norm Chow can do for you?"


Thanks Voice!...I agree with you about Chow and the ex-USC QBS, but CW should make a real push for him. The thing about Chow is his teaching and developing ability. What would that do for Clausen and Crist and any other top rated QB in the near future. Chow is also a play calling genius and should have been a head coach a long time ago. If he could develop Phillip Rivers into a pro QB with his horrible mechanics when he was in college, think of what he could do with Clausen and Crist. Would that also not frost the poodle's ass a bit, not to say the CBB.


On the never ending saga of Reggie Bush. One inquiry is why is espn being so silent on this story for the last two years?
His lawyer, Bush's, David Cornwall, is also a legal consultant to espn.
My what a small world.


Espn is the MTV of sports. What a mickey mouse outfit.


ESPN - Exceptionally Stupid Pundits' Network (with a few exceptions).


Jim M., I also wonder why the NCAA is taking so long to come out with any kind of statement on the Bush matter.

Given some of the past brushes with the law that USC players have had and the subsequent dismissal of charges, I found it interesting to note that the Los Angeles County District Attorney graduated from the USC Law Center.

Finally, The Onion is a gem! What a hoot!


Jim M,

A lot of this recent noise about Bush is being caused by our old friend Don Yaeger (of "Under The Tarnished Dome" fame), who has a new book about Bush and his family entitled "Tarnished Heisman". ESPN did run an AP story five days ago (just like everyone else) that talked about the alleged 300k in cash that Reggie supposedly accepted while in school.

Irish Angst: you do know that ESPN is ultimately owned by Disney, no? So they are, indeed, a "mickey mouse outfit"


Thank Mikes; "The Onion" has been taking all of my reading time and tv time.


Norm Chow to ND would be great, but I'm not sure CW could co-exist with another so-called "offensive genius." I just really don't see it happening. However, putting Derek Anderson on the cover of Madden '09 is the best idea I have heard in a long time.


Off topic,
Anyone else notice the shady business of the skunkbears new coach. Allegedly stealing some allegedly important documents? Players leaving, not a lot of recruiting aside from Terrelle Pryor, who is still "undecided". I have a feeling our Ann Arbor antagonists could have chosen poorly with Rich Rod. Good coach questionable character. I enjoy good competition with Michigan, and reserve all schadenfreude for SC.


Voice,

When Young was drafted by the Titans the story in this part of the country was that he was a Bud Adams selection and not a Jeff Fisher selection. Remember, Adams (the owner) like Young is from Houston and Adams has long thought VY walks on water. Apparently Fisher and the former Titan GM had some reservations about Young, one wanted Leinart and the other someone else, perhaps Jay Cutler from Vanderbilt. In any event, Adams got his man the GM has since resigned and moved on and Fisher somehow got his offensively challenged team into the playoffs this year. I'm sure Chow will surface somewhere I just hope it's at a school not on ND's schedule anytime soon.


Any updated news on the status Harrison Smith?


What's the issue with Harrison Smith???


Is it signing day yet? I'm so bored.

What day, exactly, is signing day this year?


Does anyone know exactly when the Blue & Gold game will be this year? Typically it's around April 21st, but I'm really hoping it is a week later this year so I can go. I looked online but couldn't find anything specific for this year. Thanks!


jaisn,

Here's a countdown clock:
http://www.ndnation.com/boards/i...ex.php? football


this is off topic, but worth relaying.
for unknown reasons, i have A copy of "bootleggers boy", the switzer autobio in my liabray.
for unknow reasons, i was just leafing thru it.
this is what barry wrote after oklahoma lost to arkansas in the 78 orange bowl (and btw, helped n.d. seal the nat'l championship):
"after the game was over, i was left with my son greg, who was about ten. i said 'let's go to the arkansas dressing room, so i can congratulate coach holtz". greg said he would rather not.
"suck it up, you gotta learn to do things like this in life".
the arkansas locker room was full of coaches i had worked with and knew. pretty soon lou came over from the shower.
lou is a skkinny little guy who can't see his shoes without his glasses. if woody allen were a football coach, he'd be lou holtz.
lou said all the gracious things, like "your daddy has the best record in all college football. you ought to be very proud of him."greg just kept nodding, never saying a word.
later, greg and i were walking down the tunnel to board the bus back to our hotel room. i was holding his hand, and he still hadn't said a word, as if he was in total amazement.
finally, greg said "daddy, did he play football?"
"who?"
"coach holtz. he's the same size i am".

HA HA HA.


also, switzer mentions that "ara kicked 7 players off the team for 'raping' a professor's daughter in '74".
is that true? never heard that before. can anyone elaborate? were they convicted? or is there more to the story?
was that the incident with browner?


My favorite Barry Switzer line: "Some people are born on third base and think they hit a triple." Truer words have never been spoken.


I have never been a Switzer fan. However, when he told his son to "suck it up" does show some class and graciousness.


The 74 incident was a big deal that would have been much bigger 30 years later. I think it was actually 75/76 and it was an issue of consensual sex or non consensual.
I don't believe there were charges,but 3-4 players were suspended for a year and then returned.
Whenever someone sounds holier than thou about ND, I often wonder whether this incident will be resurrected to be thrown in our face.


thnx canuck 75.
switzer wasn't being holier than thou. at least that's the way i read it. he was just citing the nd incident as he was defending one of his program's many lapses.

on another note: no new recruiting gossip? ken page, mike martin, others?
anybody got anything to pass on? even from friends-brothers-gardeners-ex-doormen, if that's your source.


M Jelic,

For what it's worth, I read that CW is hard at work creating our newest recruit named Brady Brady. He's a clone of Tom Brady and Brady Quinn, but unfortunately he won't be ready in time for signing day. 2010 at the earliest. :)


Erik '04,
I read the same thing about Brady Brady. Now that we've mentioned it a couple times, they'll be reporting it on ESPN. That's how they do things over there . . .


Canuck 75,

It was Ara's last year. 1974-75 that the incident happened. I believe it involved Browner, Fry, Bradley and Hunter and Art Best. That was a trying year for Ara, I believe something also happened with Eric Pennick that year and a safety had his eye put out in an industrial accident. I want to say his name was Harrison. I want to know if there is any scuttlebutt about Charlie making changes on the staff. There are some excellent assistants available out there right now. I believe Charlie needs to make some changes in the staff. Unless he sees something in evaluating the team strength and linebacker, OLine and special teams play that many of us dont see.


Doug

I would doubt if CW makes any staff changes until at least signing day. The new recruits would most likely be used to the present coaches and recruiters. After signing day, I would expect some action.


CW is actually making two clones: one is named Brady Brady, and he has all the good genes and was raised on a desert island. The other is named Tom Quinn and he has all the crap genes and grew up on the mainland. There's a movie about it.


Canuck/Doug:
The incident you speak of occurred in the summer of 1974--it involved Browner, Fry, Bradley, Dan Knott, Roy Henry and I believe Al Hunter. Art Best, a troublemaker in his own right, was not involved. It was a vioation of "dormirtory rules" and involved sex. There were no charges but each of the players was suspended. Henry and Knott did not return. The suspensions probably cost Nd the National Championship in 1974.


1. I happen to know Coach Weis and Coach Brown and their staffs have been in contact with all the recruits and their families and their high school coaches.

2. At each recruits house (even the ones not committed to ND) after excusing themselves to use the young man's bathroom, Coach Weis and Coach Brown and their staff take some of the player's hair from the player's hair brush.

Z. Upon return to his South Bend laboratory, Coach Weis synthesizes the DNA of each elite athlete and then uses the super DNA to augment that of Brady Brady.

#. Brady Brady will be 6'8" 275 lbs. and be able to run a 4.10 in the 40, bench 525, squat 750, and has a 45 inch vertical leap.

6a. He can throw a football 70 yards with either hand.

Y4. I do not like it when cats stare at me or when people take my photograph when I am not wearing my favorite shirt.

9. Brady Brady will win 4 Heisman Trophies and he will lead ND to 4 consecutive undefeated seasons and National Championships.

Q. He will sleep with super models and his offspring will also enroll at ND and follow in their father's footsteps of glory.

99. It has been fortold because I AM BOB GILLERAN!!!


Okay, not sure what the inside joke is with this "Bob Gilleran" crap or where it came from, but it needs to stay there. This place is where I come to get ND news and discussion WITHOUT that kind of crap. Leave it at ND Nation or wherever else it came from.


Lighten up Wilbur!


Not Amused,it's just the blog equivalent to "cabin fever". Wait 'till signing day!


I have to agree with Not Amused. The boards have recently, in a word, sucked.


Wow. And I thought I used to kill the mood during gametime threads.


Sorry, I'm on Not's side--it would be one thing if that Bob Gilleran stuff was funny. It's not.


Bad news. ESPN reports that Pat Kunz is not enrolled for the spring semester. No reason was given. Perhaps poor grades???


kuntz will be attending the university of ivy tech.

check out the article in the south bend tribune.


Guys - Any word on the recruiting sites (I'm too cheap for a membership) about any UM guys bouncing out due to dickyrod?


"it would be one thing if that Bob Gilleran stuff was funny. It's not."

Thanks for clearing that up Nate. I had mistakenly thought that it was funny.


And stay off NotAmused's lawn, daggumit! He's not going to give you back your ball.


SI.com reports that Kunz will do every thing he can to make it back it time for the fall.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com...17/nd.kuntz.ap/


Oh man I hope Kuntz makes it back for the summer and fall. We definitely need him on the team. Hopefully he can get the academics or personal issues straightened out this spring.


MUSIC UP AND UNDER: 'You Can Get it if You Really Want', by Desmond Dekker.

Cue movie sequence of Pat Kuntz studying with a tutor, reading textbooks on the bus, sitting at his computer typing an essay while waving off the other fellas' offer to go out, interspersed with shots of Pat Kuntz in the weight room, running windsprints, volunteering at the local animal shelter, and scooping up a young child from the path of an oncoming bus, before Alex Rodriguez can do it first, working in a lab and simultaneously discovering the cure for AIDS and cancer, then giving a titty twister to OSUisRighteous, who sports a 'Notre Lame' t-shirt.

Cut to Pat Kuntz arriving at summer practice.

COACH WEIS: Whatchu been up to, Pat?

PAT KUNTZ: Nothin' much, you know, the usual.

ANNOUNCER: At Notre Dame, we do more before 9 a.m. than most people do all day, especially when we get in a spot of academic trouble. We apologize to the U.S. Army for blatently stealing that line. Go Irish!


Specific memories fade too easily, but even the mention of Browner,Fry and Luther Bradley brings back immediate recollection. How does Charlie win a National Championship? By finding the next Browner, Fry and Bradley. Neal and Smith bear some resemblance,although not the same positions.
Luther Bradley ran track with me, and was a sight to see at full speed. He ran 300 yds in 31 sec! He was also a very nice guy


At least we tied Northwestern in a year when they would have beaten us on the field.


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