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What about incapable inexperienced coaches? |
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Add to that the inexperience on the field and you have a disaster like we saw tonight. Weis is getting more wiggle room than any coach in ND history. Next year, year 5, should be better, but what scares me is that we will still be playing timid, uninspired football. |
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Uninspired. You've put your finger on it. |
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Word, Pat. |
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PAT, ARE YOU KIDDIN ME? |
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This loss to BS is embarrassing and inexcusable. This was Syracuse 2003. The team played with no fire, and no heart. In all of ND's other loses this year they had a chance. Tonight they had zero chance. This is a step backwards and some people will be losing their jobs over this. This is the game that Swarbrick will be tucking in the back of his mind when he evaluates the coaching staff. |
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I was at work so the only way I could keep track of the game was on the yahoo gametracker. Was the weather a factor? Was the game as crappy as I thought it was on the computer? Ok, maybe that's a stupid question. |
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7-5 should not come as a surprise to anyone. |
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No, weather was not a factor. No running game and no heart were the main factors. Flat out flat. |
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So do we ditch the learning process going on right now for another one? |
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I disagree that the whole team played without heart. The only unit I can blame with any certainty is the OL, who got pwned all night. Jimmy looked more like he was trying to hard, forcing balls. The RBs had nowhere to run, the receivers made plays (although Tate's muff might have cost us the game). The defense played an outstanding game, probably their most complete game of the past two seasons. |
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Don't forget a QB coach with no experience as well (which might explain Clausen's struggles). This team looks like a mess. |
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Don't forget to add Latina to the pile. What on earth has he done, name anything he has done....to improve the run blocking. ZERO. NADA. Without any running game, we are no better than Purdue's basketball on grass offense. |
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Very true. |
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honestly, what do you guys expect from a team that went 3-9 last year? im not a fan of nd, but be realistic here, they are making progress esp with their younger talent. |
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No, they are not making progress any more. This was a game that last year's team would have played - hell, last year's team had a chance in the final minutes against a BC team that was actually good, didn't they? |
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did you watch them last year? they looked beyond inept |
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"Putting aside every other issue for the moment (and there are plenty), Notre Dame should never ever again find itself in a position where the top three coaches for the football team have so little experience at their current position. Notre Dame football is not a place for on-the-job training, especially such widespread on-the-job training." |
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we could hire ty willingham. he's available and he has more head coaching experience then weis. |
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Don Shula has experience...I'm just throwing his name out there. |
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This team will be lucky to go 6-6 this year. Weis is not the coach to deliver ND from college football exile. He never will be that coach. Unfortunately, ND is stuck with him for at least another year. I guess I should be happy. My Saturdays are now free. |
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...and a veteran, shitty OL coach... |
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honestly, what do you guys expect from a team that went 3-9 last year? im not a fan of nd, but be realistic here, they are making progress esp with their younger talent. |
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this slob needs to be fired Dec 1. bringing him back next year will only make for a daily pressure cooker of playing every day for the coach, which will ruin what might be a decent team. charlie is done, and ND deserves to pay his buyout due to their stupidity of that deal. |
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We just got beat by a second year head coach.Enough said |
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You forgot Special Teams. What impact have they made in the almost four years of the Weis Era? |
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We should turn down a bowl game....pure and simple. |
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you guys are weak. ND is an average team that is getting better. BC is better than you right now. Stop hating everyone including your own program. |
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I think this 'Pro' Style approach is flawed. CFB is a different game than NFL. As different as baseball is from softball. That is what Charley does not get. You have to be able to run, plain & simple. Even the QB should have some wheels. While a big passing game gives the impression of a 'great' offense, it does not hold up with out the run in CFB. Also it is CW's 4th year, enough of the 'young' team crap, it's his team, been his team. Deer in the headlights last night. Also keep in mind we're one play away from losing to SDS opening day. let's see, hires without HC experience at ND....Faust,Davey, Weiss. What is it they teach in History? |
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Remember Ara's quote that he had been a head coach for eight years prior to coming to ND and he "needed every one of those eight years." |
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DJ, Ara also wouldn't sign a 5 year contract, saying that if he couldn't do it 3, he couldn't do it. |
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it was a different time, Gabby. Ara didn't need a five year contract; having coached against, and beaten, ND four years running at Northwestern, he knew that the big problems were players playing out of position and confidence. After the great 64 season, Ara basically had a career-long contract. |
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Different time sure, but I guess the point seems to be if you have it, you have it early on, not 5,6, 7 , 8 years later. I think he lacks a successful CFB coaching philosphy, which you should have developed prior to arriving @ ND. |
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Oh, BTW, don't confuse an all-passing offense with a "pro" offense. You need to run the ball to win in the NFL, too. Weis knows that - the Patriots really took off offensively when they signed Corey Dillon. So our woeful running game inspires the question "can this staff build a running game, or are they even trying?" |
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DJ, |
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So, on ESPN, ND is the last score possibly listed from the games this weekend. Right behind the UTEP game....sad. |
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Oh, I'd say they're trying. It's just that in the pros, when someone isn't doing the job, you cut him and sign a free agent, either in mid-season or the off-season. Not an option here. |
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All the improvement we are seeing is because of the weaker schedule otherwise there is little real improvement. Run game - not there |
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Last night was an outrage. BC never recruits the 4 & 5 star athletes ND does, yet they CONSISTENTLY outplay us. ND was outplayed, and OUTCOACHED last night. |
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I have traditionally made the arguments (excuses) for Weis and his coaching staff but after last night I'm done. |
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Don't worry fellas. By year 10 of CW's contract the staff will have learned from their 9 years of mistakes. |
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Wow, 40 comments about coaching and no one has yet to bring up Lou Holtz coming back to ND? Lou who turns 72 in January and by law must start withdrawing from his 401k and IRA and what’s left of them. Lou who ESPN has playing the buffoon to Mark May? Lou who are beloved University ran off? |
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Unless I'm missing something: |
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We shouldn't talk about firing Weis. We should talk about hiring someone else. |
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Weis is worse than Faust. We knew we were getting a high school coach with Gerry, so it was no surprise to many when he tanked. Weis promised to deliver the vaunted "schematic advantage," and he fooled everyone. It's OK to admit it. What's not OK is to hold on to delusional thoughts of a NC during this man's coaching tenure, or to blame failure on inexperienced assistants. Isn't Weis responsible for building a competent assistant staff? It all comes back to him. |
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Jack Burton- |
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read the column by Carroll in the SBT. Sums up my feelings to a T. |
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http://www.southbendtribune.com/...323/1021/
Sports |
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Carroll? Today's column is further proof of the capacity of the blind squirrel to occasionally find an acorn. |
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Mark Dantonio |
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I hate to agree with Jeff Carroll, but ... yeah. |
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If we ever want to beat BC in the next two years, the buyout will have to take place. |
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I agree with the majority of the posts on this site, however what I don't agree with is hiring a coach from a mid major conference and expect to win NC. Not with the academic standards that the school has. Why do you think Urban Meyer turned the job down? Winning a NC at Florida was easier than winning one at ND and he knew it. Now the man is a legend in Gainesville. Charlie Weis has completely blown his chance as a head football coach, but the inexperience factor does have to come into play. How many of you were good at your jobs when you first started? Four years later he should be a better coach, and the jury is still out on that. Are we better than we were last year, or is our schedule easier, or both. |
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With Father Jenkins' Jesuit background I think he would understand the importance of turning the tide (slide) against BC. He needs to hire someone who has some fight, spunk and spirit. That was what ND football was once all about--now it's looks like BC has taken on those traits (instead of betting on games). |
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Who was the last ND coach to lose two consecutive to Navy? |
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"You hit the nail on the head, it's about experience - and what this team lacks is experience." |
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The BC game should be officially designated as the B(ye)C(harlie)game. |
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For those of you who keep asking who the other potential candidates are: What makes you think that Weis has a chance of ever succeeding? And if he doesn't have a chance, why should ND wait another year? |
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ND was beaten by a team with apparently less talent. If this general consensus is true, then the coaching staff needs to be held responsible. How? No easy answer to this one word question. |
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Notre Dame it's time for New Direction. |
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that quote should be game set and match for Charlie. over. done. get out. go home. take jr with you. you cant get it done |
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>>Even Ty could beat his alma matter. |
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White has lowered the scheduling bar to the point where any of the great ND coaches would refuse to even play it, and Weis still can't roll his "team" over it. |
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Last night was as ugly at Miami 1985. |
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I would sell my right kidney to get Dantonio to replace our current buffoon. Sadly, that will never happen. |
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...Clausen looked worse than Lambert... |
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I guess one of the serious questions to ask is: |
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Does Weiss's contract have an out for incompetence? My 12 year old son was predicting ND's play calling with great accuracy last night. No imagination, no execution. Just crap. |
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I got of the Charlie Weis bandwagon a few weeks back, and it feels great. |
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ND football is so absurd, i actually believe the following could be an improvement: |
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As much as I love Lou, I really don't think that is the solution. |
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This is still a very young football team making very young mistakes. Tate's muff last night was a young player making a mistake trying to make a big play to turn the game around. Last week a freshman tight end pushed off to make a play and got caught. If he does push off or its not called we have a big first down and probalby win. And a first year linebacker (yes he is a soph, but this ids the frist year that he played)had a dumb personal foulthat led to a touchdown. |
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Dan70, |
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All good comments for the most part.Everything in college football begins and ends with the o-line.A productive and protective Offensive line helps put points on the board,keeps the defense fresh and creates an identity for the team.That said.What the hell is Latina and whom ever doing or have they done to improve this line.Embarrassing to say the least.Did you see Olson in the ND backfield making a tackle on the ND back.That was for Weis and the rest of the Notre Dame Coaches who haven't been able to grasp this all to obvious fact.The O-line is not coached to any level of performance.These players and future Notre Dame commits deserve the best and nothing less will get the job done.Shame on the Notre Dame Coaching staff taking money under false pretences. |
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What's crazy to me about the "highlight" play from last night (ND's o-lineman getting pushed into a running back 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage), is that it would never happen to ND's next opponent. Navy, like BC, is all about heart and discipline. I see some admirable qualities in the current Irish team, but I'm not sure that they are qualities that win football games. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D...h?v=D3K-
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"Everybody underestimates the kick to the groin." |
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Has anyone else noticed that Clausen's efficiency and accuracy began to diminish in the second half of the UNC game and has continued> Have you noticed that he is locking on again and not getting the reads he was getting? Have you noticed that he is moving more? Have you noticed that the OLine protection has gotten worse since then? He may not be getting sacked as often but he is getting hurried more. Even Washington was able to put pressure on him. The offensive line has digressed from even the one big improvement...pass blocking and we are throwing the ball more. Until we can get an OLine coach who can inspire, teach how to bring the hips during run blocking and get some fierceness and toughness this team is destined to be mediocre at best. It has been said that teams take on the personality of their coach, well, it seems like ND's coach is an all talk p- - - y. |
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Joe – |
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That was one of the more difficult games, and there have been a lot of them over the years. |
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A head coach in only his fourth season as a head coach. |
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Mark Dantonio has done a very good job at State in only two years. Maybe |
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Louie |
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The problem lies with whoever the hell is picking these coaches. The ND Board of Directors? Does anyone know who exactly they are or even if they are the ones, cause it definately is not the athletic director (ask Kevin White). The University of Notre Dame hiring a guy who has NEVER been a head coach at the college or pro level??!!??!! That is absurd. Charlie is failing bad. I am embarrased to be a ND fan right now, but I mostly feel bad for the players who come here. Charlie is a great salesman, and talks a good game, but he is not a head coach. Fire his ass, hire the guy from Boise State, or Texas Tech, and take advantage of Charlie's great recruits with a college coach and staff that knows the college game, and that can develop talent and teach fundamentals. This is horrible. I will be launching a FIRE CHARLIE Website soon, feel free to come aboard. |
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Ricky Runnin' Waters - If you think this post is a defense of the coaching staff, you should probably re-read it. |
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Ummm, I was there that day, GB. Please don't remind me! |
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Question: If ND goes out and destroys Navy and Syracuse, and plays well but loses to SC, then what? This might just happen folks.... |
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Pat has it right. Experience is what's missing and ND is no place for on-the-job training. It was an error to hire Charlie with no college experience. Look at the records of the ND coaches who had less than four years of successful head-coach, college experience: Hunk Anderson, Elmer Layden, Hugh Devore, Terry Brennan, Joe Kuharich, Gerry Faust and Bob Davie. None had a record of the kind ND expects. The question now is whether Charlie can use his four years of experience to advantage next year. |
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Nice work Ed. I don't get this administration, and, I ask if anyone knows who exactly picks these coaches, who are the mystery men that hide behind the AD? The succesful programs find a coach who has excelled at a lower level school (Urban Meyer), who have put together winners at a school with decidedly less talent (Boise St, Utah, Kansas). I hate Michigan, but they will be successful with a proven college coach, who has come one game from a NC, with alot less talent than most in the NCAA. |
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