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Speaking of awards, Trevor Laws was left completely off of the AP (and SI) All-America teams ... *sigh*. |
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he has his coaches and teammates to thank for that. |
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Think Laws goes second round? |
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I noticed that John. I plan on writing something up about it. That he didn't make any list at any level is pretty bad. |
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CW says it all starts in the weight room. Now get "Coach" Mendoza the hell out of that weight room, and find somebody who knows wtf they're doing. |
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I was disappointed about Laws missing out, also. At the very least he should have been an honorable mention. I think he will do very well at the next level, he seems like a really solid dude (and he obviously can play) |
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The Bobby Petrino story just broke and to me, it underscores many of the positives about Charlie. Of course those won't matter if he truly can't coach, but it seems to me that Charlie's integrity is hard to argue with. Thank God we didn't chase Petrino or Miles. |
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canuck 75 |
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It will be interesting to see what happens with Laws in the draft. Not being mentioned on the AA teams identified so far makes one wonder if we are missing something, and as pointed out, being on a 3-9 team may not be the story. |
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Ted, |
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I think Laws will probably go late second or early third round. Unfortunately, the 3-9 season will hurt him, as will his height since sometimes the measurables are all scouts look at, regardless of whether the guy can play or not. And his being completely left off All-American lists and even the watchlists for major awards just goes to show you that those awards are pretty much decided before the season even really starts. Basically, if you were really good the previous year and not a disaster the next, you'll win it. |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Petrino is pursuing the Michigan job. |
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I too was in the stadium this spring watching the quarterback debacle unfold and never in a million years could have predicted what would happen to the four quarterbacks. |
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I was under the impression that Petrino was taking the Arkansas job, which is why he made the announcement now, so he could start recruiting. |
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I wouldn't be suprised to see Laws go in the late 1st to early 2nd round. The reason is the flexibility he possesses. |
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Yak, |
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Carlson will probably go pretty high too. It wasn't long ago that he was thought of as the best tight end in the country, and while that may not be the case anymore, he is still definitely near the top. |
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Can someone start producing t-shirts of this quote by Robert Blanton from a recent interview on Rivals.com: |
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Not understanding the Petrino comments. Didn't Lou Holtz leave the Jets prior to season's end after starting 3-10 to go to Arkansas? It was the right move for Lou. I suspect Petrino had his fill of the Vick situation and pros in general to realize the mistake he made. |
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Trevor Laws will get his All-American dues in the spring when the national wrestling awards are given out. |
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I think a lot of the problem, OldFan, is that he left his team in a horrid position, and he had a 5 year contract. That's scummy. I think a lot of the current hatred stems from the fact that he seemed to be a guy trying to leave Louisville (or at least flirting with leaving) for years... so he had the reputation. |
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I'm definitely impressed that the recruits seem to be hanging together. If this holds until February, I'll be hoping the staff is as successful at addressing the issues from this past season as they were from a year before. And hoping there are not any big, new issues. And practicing my 'hard' look under the brim 'o the shamrock cappy when I pass UM colors at the mall. |
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FWIW, when Lou quit the Jets there was only one game left. It wasn't the exact same situation as Petrino. |
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I think the main problem with Petrino is that he could not dictate his will on the pro players. A coach can do that with college players. Reportedly, the players would not even notice him as he walked through the locker room. The veterans did not like him. |
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Definitely agree with Laws as MVP...he was involved on just about every play we had this year. Can't believe he isn't getting any national attention with the awards, didn't he have the most tackles of any defensive lineman in the country? Wasn't he the only defensive lineman in the top 100 for tackles made? |
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It was just reported on Comcast here in Philly that Delaware head coach KC Wheeler is being looked at for the Michigan job. They asked the AD at delaware and his response "I have no comment" |
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Especially if Delaware loses to App. State! |
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I damn near choked to death on my mac and cheese dinner from laughing so hard when I saw John Sullivan was named our OL MVP. It's the football equivalent of the Golden Razzie awards. |
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How does Laws not get AA status? I beleive he led all linemen in the country in tackles. He was the only lineman in the top 100 defensive tacklers (#43). The last list I saw had Laws with more tackles than the Butkus winner, Laurinaitis from Ohio State. Sad to see that Sullivan win the OL MVP. A guy who was the sole reason why the offense lost one of its major weapons, the shotgun. Brady Quinn and the offense thrived using the shotgun and JC would have benefited greatly too. That tells the story of how poorly the OL played this year. |
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Laws getting screwed by being left off AA teams is reminiscent (sp?) of Zorich beingleft off an AA team that was announced on CBS while televising the ND-PSU game that year and Pat Haden uncharacteristically commenting on the inequity of it and listing the reasons why. |
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Did the coaching staff pick Sullivan or did the players?? |
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I don't think Sullivan did a good job this year but who would you give it to? Who played better? IMHO no one played well enough on the O line to deserve an award. Sullivan was the "best" of bad choices. Maybe part of it was that he is a senior. |
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I seriously thought our punter would be MVP. Really. |
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I've held it in as long as I could. |
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On a different note, looks like Darius may get the start this weekend for the Texans. Had a great debut last week. GOOD LUCK DARIUS!!! |
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GOOD TO HEAR DARIUS IS GETTING A CHANCE. |
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SO ON THE SAME NOTE...? |
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While I certainly don't think Sullivan even remotely played well this past season, they had to give the award to somebody. If not Sully, who do you even give it to? I liked what I saw out of Wenger but he only started like 2 games, not enough for this award. Honestly, who should have won it? Should the recipient have just been "Inapplicable"? |
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indy, |
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And just why MUST it be awarded? It's within the program's discretion to pass these things out, is it not? Not only does it send the wrong message, it takes away from any past and future winners that actually deserve the recognition. Sheesh! |
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How about a new category? The "Maximus Award" for the player that spent the most time on his Gluteus? Now we have our man! Sorry, the "Guardian" has become a joke, so I'm making one on its behalf. |
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So it looks like we'll keep Haywood-- Houston is going to announce the hiring of Sumlin from Oklahoma as their new head coach. |
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"...they had to give the award to somebody." |
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The Guardian should have been shelved for this year, no doubt. Sullivan was no worthy recipient. Funny how he didnt have any problems snapping in the shotgun to BQ, yet a frosh qb comes in and earns the starting job, and all of the sudden you see snaps flying 12 feet in the air, and a multitude of OLE! blocks all season long. Thank God he didnt play against Duke and Stanford, we might not have won. Wenger displayed heart and grit, something missing from Sullivan since the graduation of last years class. |
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It's official! The 2007 Guardian Award has been changed from "Top Offensive Lineman" to "Most Offensive". |
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He is really good at being offensive. He offends just about everyone. |
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I guess you could just put an asterisk by Sullivan's name in the records. |
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I think we covered it. Our offensive line was poor. Moving on, anyone? |
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I think it's great that Haywood is staying (assuming that U-Houston was the only reason he'd leave). For one thing, I think the running backs have been pretty good despite the lack of blocking. For another, Haywood's departure from Texas led to a championship for the Longhorns in their next season. I don't see a NC for ND next year, but maybe in a couple of years. |
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People, |
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This may have been addressed previously and I hate to fan the flames of BS, but did anyone else hear that Clausen and Sullivan got into it one night over the summer, causing their relationship irrepairable damage and possibly having something to do with Sullivan's suspect play? Hopefully someone can shoot this down...I hope it doesn't have any truth to it (but it sure doesn't seem THAT far fetched). |
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Bonnie Doon, I would love to shoot that down, but unfortunately I too have heard something along similar lines. I know this sounds cliched, but it really did come from somebody with knowledge of the program. And, like I posted before, you never saw a shotgun snap sail 12 feet over Quinn's head, did you? |
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Jade, that is a BS statement. It's unfair to question someone's fanhood because the fan questioned whether a player would succeed in the NFL. I'm no fan of the doom and gloom types, but there is a difference. Why else put quotes around fan if not to question it? |
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"did anyone else hear that Clausen and Sullivan got into it one night over the summer, causing their relationship irrepairable damage" |
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There is no way in the world that I can even begin to believe that Sullivan's perceived resentments, disappointments, hatred for Clausen, or even a sheer disdain for Notre Dame could account for his subpar season. No player would jeopardize his own future by deliberately harming the team for which he plays. The allusion that Sully somehow made his stinky snaps, or less-than-tenacious blocks on purpose is ludicrous. The only reason things like that have happened is because of gambling fixes, and I certainly don't think that was going on. IMHO, Sullivan's miscues were from a lack of effort and focus, not spite. |
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I agree Voice. The line play was unacceptable. But I'm also pretty disappointed in some of the comments just tearing down Sullivan personally and somehow suggesting that he purposely tried to screw over Clausen with poor snaps. |
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well, if they did get into it over the summer, one would think their parents would be aware of it. and i saw the carlsons and sully's dad tailgating on two separate occasions this year (one at an away game)like they were lifelong friends. |
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Thank you, Pat and Voice. No freakin' way Sully played bad on purpose, and claiming so is probably one of the most disrespectful things you can say about someone. How rotten would you have to be to sacrfice your own future just to potentially make someone else look bad. Sorry, I'm not buying it. No doubt he and the rest of the O-line played badly, even atrocious at times, this year, but it wasn't over a grudge. |
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I still stand by my comments that this award should never have been presented this year, and if that comes across as personally tearing down the recipient of said award, then I'm sorry, I don't know how else to say it. |
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Oreo, I probably wasn't referring to you when I said "fans", unless you're one of the ones who was really really nasty when talking about Darius. Because some people were. You're right; I definitely should have made that clear and I apologize. I don't feel bad, though, for sticking up for a guy who went undrafted, was cut from the Texans TWICE, and now through his hard work may be starting this weekend. |
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OC mj, I don't think that's a personal attack on Sully. It's more of a criticism of the entire O line, which is perfectly defensible. |
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I think yz's knowledge of the Clausen (you wrote "Carlson" yz, so I'll assume it was a typo and you meant to write "Clausen") and Sullivan families tailgating together can put the "summer night brawl" story to bed...I agree that there's no way the parents would be partying like "lifelong friends" if the boys were enemies. Not sorry I brought it up; happy that it was well refuted...which was my goal in mentioning it in the first place. |
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Wow, the season has taken it out of you guys, huh? Not a lot of posting lately. Anyone thinking of doing a complete autopsy on the season that was? Not that we want to dwell on such a rotten corpse. |
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Well, they did make the guys sit up there behind their name placards. Was that recognition or punishment? |
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According to Scout.com OL Trevor Robinson has now committed to the Irish. Great news and welcome to ND Trevor!! |
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Trevor Robinson is Irish! |
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I wish we could delete our posts |
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Fair enough, Jade, if that's how you meant it I agree with you. |
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Work has hit us pretty hard Thundershaker. We'll get back into it soon enough. |
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you mean you guys have real jobs? |
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THANK GOD. Not just for Trevor Robinson (who is a huge get for us, how do you lock in one of the top Olinemen out there with a line that played as badly this year as ours). |
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Well, one of the guys I was talking about (Robinson) is on board. This is a big-time commit for the Irish. Naturally, it may be a couple years before we see the impact with an OL. |
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what munir prince rumor? |
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Well, I guess you could look at the Sullys and Carlsons tailgaiting in 2 different ways. They could be have a nice bar-by before the game or the Carlsons (Clausens?) could be chasing down the Sullys car 2 inches from their bumper. |
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Trevor looks like another good recruit. |
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That's "having" a nice bar-by. |
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My stomach sank when you mentioned a kicker GB, man are we still screwed in that department. Since he apparently isn't looking to grab another guy / waste another scholly this year, Charlie needs to send Walker down to Indy in the summer (or any time this offseason that works) and have him spend time with Vinatieri. Geoff Price was amazing in 2006 after working with Hunter Smith, so why not work the connection to get Walker some much needed training/tips from one of the best kickers of all time (who conveniently happens to work a stone's throw south)? |
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Oreo, that's definitely how I meant it. I really shouldn't have said it that way, because it sounded like I was saying that all Irish fans need to think that every Irish player is going to be a Pro-Bowler in the NFL. Obviously, that's dumb and I don't think that way. I was mainly aiming that at people who mantained Darius sucked at ND and would suck in the NFL. He wasn't bad at all at ND, and time will tell for the NFL. |
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charlie weis --ap upi usa moron coach of the year- big and little charkie are going to do the NUTRI SYSTEM FATHER AND SON THING WITH THE MIKE OF MIKE AND MIKE JUMPING IN - I DID IT 40 LBS WITHOUT STEROIDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I'm going to go ahead and guess James Dougherty was drunk when he posted that. |
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