I have mixed emotions on Yeatman. He's such a talented kid, but how many times does it take to get it through one's head that it's not Florida State - football players aren't above the law. I like the fact that our alma mater holds itself to a much higher standard than other schools, but I also think that there is an inherent inconsistency in its policy toward students as Pat pointed out. The way they handled Yeatman is a pretty good example of not being able to see the forest for the the trees. There's really not much more to say about it.

I must say, though the thinning ranks at TE and DB are worth keeping an eye on, I'm much more concerned about our recruiting of defensive linemen. What's the deal here? I know the low numbers are not the result of not trying to land these guys. It seems like the last good recruiting year we had for defensive linemen was the year we almost kept Justin Trattou and Gerald McCoy listed us in his final two choices. Man, oh man, do I ever want to see more number on the d-line.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 1:36 pm | #

"Man, oh man..."

Who typed that? Opie Taylor? The Beav? Forgive me that one, everybody. I'll try to swear more and use irreverent humor next time I have something the say.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 1:39 pm | #

When football players take semesters off like Walls did and Gray is apparently doing, and when "personal reasons" is listed as the reason, and when Weis isn't allowed to give a reason, what are the possible reasons?

Is it academic problems? Family issues? When Walls left for a semester, no one was even posting rumors up here, I presume for the sake of keeping "personal reasons" personal, as they should. I'm just curious, is a listing of "personal reasons" usually synonymous with "academic struggles", or no?
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 1:42 pm | #

It could be anything, from academic issues (like you mentioned) to personal family situations to just taking a break. I think the key is that this is not a transfer situation, so there is plenty of reason to believe he'll be back at some point, as we saw with Walls.
Jay | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 1:48 pm | #

Matt,

Don't forget, only a couple years ago we had an Offensive lineman (whose name escapes me at the moment) who left for personal reasons. Fans went nuts on the poor kid, and it turned out he went home because both of his parents were suffering from cancer. Personal reasons means its none of our business.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 2:35 pm | #

Reno
The issue isn't "this is not Florida State". The issue is ND completely sold out Yeatman to the Indiana Gestapo--er--excise police. What they did was borderline illegal, and ND just offered up one of their own. Disgusting display by the powers-that-be.
And Trattou and McCoy were in different classes--'07 and '06 respectivley. And do you really have to think back to ......all the way to ......LAST YEAR to find good ND d-line recruiting. 4 of those guys retain eligibility for 4 years......so this year ND will have 5 "freshmen" either redshirt or first year students
The Dude | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 3:13 pm | #

Nice to see the University called to the carpet for that ridiculous handling of Yeatman, I hope he kicks ass in both sports at Maryland.
Tony Spilotro | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 4:05 pm | #

Brad, I think you're referring to Travis Leitko (sp?), & I think he actually played along the D-Line (D end?). Wanna say he graduated w/ Brady in '06. Can anybody remember more specifics? I remember hearing/reading his story & cheering extra hard any time he made a play, but it's been a couple years now.
baIrish | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 4:07 pm | #

The one thing you can say about the ND Admin/Will Yeatman situation is that ND has been consistent.

ND has consistently gone with a "We'll kick you out" before we'll work with you to get you the help you need.

Sucks to see yeatman go. Not surprising that ND's administration is so clueless and inhumane. They've been that way for decades. God forbid they should evolve.
atepesm | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 4:28 pm | #

Regarding to Yeatman,

"being busted at a party with a BAC of 0.02, which amounts to one or two beers."

Where did you get this information? I've searched online and I couldn't find any sources that supported the claim.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 4:36 pm | #

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/27203396/

(among others)
Jay | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 4:51 pm | #

I think ND administration can get caught up in "holier than thou" mindset. Why not be more willing to help a kid instead of basically punishing him for not living up to the "ND image." Situations like this have to scare off some big time recruits...
www.southbendblarney.com | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 4:52 pm | #

The administration threw Yeatman under the bus. The ADA press release singled out by name Yeatman and Teatman alone despite over 30 other students being detained as well. Weis was the only one to raise a protest from the school. I really do not care that he violated a standard and was punished. That is not the issue. The ADA decided to gain political capital by signaling hoim out and the school threw him to the dogs. If the school wants to tout "in loco parentis" I think there is an integrity issue, and it isn't Yeatman's.

Heard from ESPN that Latina is gone. Is that true or ESPN hype?
JP | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 5:26 pm | #

Mike - The BAC came from the article I linked under "suspended for an entire semester". Check the second to last paragraph.
Pat | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 5:27 pm | #

Was Yeatman treated differently by the university compared to other students who have had similar transgressions?

He was on probation as part of his pretrial diversion for DUI, was he not? In a situation like that, if he chooses to drink, he's running the risk of violating probation, which is exactly what happened here.

His punishment wasn't different from McAlarney's getting busted with weed in his car, but the difference is that McAlarney hasn't been a repeat offender.

I wish Yeatman the best of luck at Maryland, but if this were someone at PSU or USC and was allowed to stay, we'd be saying JoePa or Carroll is running a dirty program keeping kids like this in school.
Kris | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 5:31 pm | #

I see no purpose in bringing back the situation that happened to Will Yeatman. It is over and done with. Perhaps everyone was a fault.

However, as we bid it goodbye, I hope the Administration at Notre Dame will take a new look at the way these situations are handled. The top administration can dictate a basic change in philosophy to Res. Life.

They are dealing with young men and women who are in college. In all likelihood, it will happen again.
Ted | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 5:51 pm | #

The Yeatman situation is complicated and nobody comes out of it looking good.

Yeatman himself violated the terms of his diversion program by drinking alcohol---I know he's a college student and drinking is considered to be something of a god-given right for them, but he could have and IMO should have sucked it up and dealt, considering the severity of the first offense.

The university roundly ignored the abundant evidence of abuse of power by the police task force and threw the whole lot under the bus.

And the police task force were more concerned with getting a big name scalp (per accounts that they were after Clausen) than with actually acting within the bounds of the law that they are sworn to uphold.
Mr. Wednesday | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 7:05 pm | #

Addendum: And ultimately, the bad guys win. The fascists in positions of power get to look like the tough guys they fancy themselves to be, the police get a slap on the wrist (if that) instead of getting sued, Yeatman gets run off to Maryland.
Mr. Wednesday | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 7:08 pm | #

The way the Yeatman situation was handled is terrible and wrong ... not just for a football player, but for any Notre Dame student. Because of literally one or two beers, a 20-year old kid was suspended from helping his teammates, his university and his future career for the entire semester. Reno, your comments are nothing short of asinine -- there is a huge difference between a beer and a felony.

There was a brief outrage over ResLife's draconian tactics after this off-campus "bust." After some desperately needed adjustments to game-day enforcement policies, much of the internet rage seems to have subsided, but the issue has not been resolved. Besides the unnecessary harm imposed on a kid who is one of our own, we must recognize the adverse effects of disenfranchisement. When good people are pushed away from Notre Dame, there is a serious problem. Many of the people (again, good people) with whom I graduated have a hard time harboring any pride for their alma mater because of the way they and/or their classmates were treated by Reslife over the years. This directly and significantly affects donations to the annual fund.

It saddens me, because I still have so much love for Our Lady's university, but sometimes the administration makes it very difficult to maintain that affection. Some things need to change soon. Meanwhile, the special ND camaraderie that we all enjoy, due to a shared passion for this place, this idea, in northern Indiana, is slowly dissolving. (Also, good kids who happen to excel at football and basketball are being scared or pushed away).
pablo | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 7:30 pm | #

Via ESPN.com, this would certainly suck:

"He [i.e., new BC head coach Spaziani] will need to name a defensive coordinator, and considering he is longtime friends with Notre Dame's Jon Tenuta, there is a hire that would make sense. Tenuta, who was previously at Georgia Tech, is also familiar with the ACC."
John | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 9:11 pm | #

Pablo - Thanks for the compliment. Honestly, I wasn't really trying to compare Yeatman to anybody, nor his actions to those of anybody at FSU or any other school that we all deride as being dirty. My comment was overgeneralized, and really only meant to illustrate my ambiguous feelings about the entire situation. Perhaps I should have given a better summation: Yeatman messed up - twice, but ND's response, though consistent with its ages-old policy, was over the top.
Reno | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 9:29 pm | #

It's a fine line between teaching kids to respect boundaries and inuring them to tyranny. In the end, we grown ups have to take responsibility for shepherding them past temptation and cultivating character - and not just flushing them at the first sign of idiocy. Perhaps there's more to the story. But when we stop differentiating between 'getting caught' and 'being bad,' we're no longer doing our job as leaders. Not that I'm a leader. I'm an idiot who posts on a web log. But you get the idea. My god it's just one effing beer! The same people that raise holy hell that the kid got roped by the po-po wouldn't have batted an eye to see a cousin back from college have a beer at their family fourth of July picnic. Or maybe they'd call 911...
indy | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 9:32 pm | #

I could not agree less with your position on Yeatman and the university's so-called "nuclear" response.

The kid received a second chance and then, no matter how you try to rationalize it, he blew it. he had no business being at that party under the circumstances of his previous brush with the law, and then hiding under a bed only compounds the stupidity. That is honestly indefensible at any level. I harbor no ill will toward the kid - I don't know him at all - but I have little empathy for his plight either,
Phil | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 9:39 pm | #

" I like the fact that our alma mater holds itself to a much higher standard than other schools"

Monkism remains ... this holier than thou attitude is sickening... I thought this garbage left when malloy was booted.
Peter | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:00 pm | #

Thanks Jay and Brad. I'll count my blessings that I've never had to take a semester off to deal with anything like that.

Concerning Yeatman, the only hesitation I have from blaming it all on the university is the magnitude of the first offense. The .02 the second time is laughable, but the DUI on an ND sidewalk holds significantly less water. God forbid something had happened, he would have been in prison right now, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

On the other hand, if the drinking age in this country were 18, like I believe it should be, we also wouldn't be having this conversation.
Matt '09 | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:03 pm | #

From the outside looking in, it doesn't look like the University handled Yeatman well. But with all due respect to the people on this Board, we don't know the inside story, and I, for one, trust that the admin at ND cares enough about kids not to "throw them under the bus". At least, that is my hope
Fred, '85 | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:23 pm | #

My son graduated in 2008. My daughter is a freshman. As I've told them repeatedly, their Notre Dame is not, unfortunately, my Notre Dame. On issues of this type -- and treatment of students in the stadium is actually far more over the top than the University's treatment of Yeatman -- the University's response is draconian at best.

Although my kids are getting a great education, I keep hoping for some moderation on these issues. Prohibition and punishment don't educate anyone or solve anything.

Go Irish!
GraceHall1980 | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:36 pm | #

Matt '09,

I'm inclined to agree with you. It wasn't "one or two effing beers." It was "one or two effing beers in violation of probation for driving his car, drunk, on a ND sidewalk."

If I had done both on campus, I would have gotten the same punishment, I believe. And this would have been in 1989-1993.

But let's also remember the climate now. Binge drinking is considered by many to be the biggest health threat to students on college campuses, and anyone with eyes, ears and stomachs knows that Notre Dame is pretty bad about binge drinking. To say that "it's not my Notre Dame," is simply to admit that times change. We live in a more litigious society, one where a parent of a child who drinks himself to death would likely sue the University for negligence.

I honestly believe ResLife would not be so draconian if students demonstrated a more responsible approach to drinking on and off campus.

In loco parentis means they are acting in place of parents, right? If I had been picked up for DUI, given the gift of pretrial diversion, then violated probation by drinking underage, my parents would have come down on me like the hammers of Hell. They would question whether I had the intelligence to attend Notre Dame by risking my full ride for a couple of beers. That's why ND did what it did. Yeatman caught a break on his first offense, and failed to keep his end of the deal. Actions have consequences.
Kris | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:51 pm | #

My two cents on Yeatman:

1. If the administration had thrown him out after the DUI, that would have been draconian. If there had been no DUI and the administration had thrown him out for being busted at the party, that would have been draconian too. But throwing him out for the combination seems something less than draconian.

2. My little brother got busted in high school for drinking beer in a park. That park was notorious for: a) teenagers drinking beer; and b) bored cops busting them. I yelled at my brother (dad was dead) not for drinking, but for drinking where he did. Yeatman wasn't wrong to have a beer. But he should have done it quietly and with a couple of friends, not a couple of dozen. Right or wrong (I say wrong), the excise police are a known commodity, and they target house parties. Yeatman knew or should have known there was a risk he'd get caught drinking and a risk he'd get booted if he did.
Joe Magarac | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:52 pm | #

Brad, baIrish:

http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/ ...304411636742839
DCDomer | Email | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 11:53 pm | #

.02?! Wow. I'm surprised any recruits come to Notre Dame, with horse&^%$ like that.
NDfootball4ever | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 12:46 am | #

A great find on Google Books...

http://books.google.com/books? id...return+to+glory

No reason to delete my earlier post, silly mods....
Jay | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 1:28 am | #

BTW:

Does your deletion of my earlier post hinge on my prediction that ND will have a losing record in 2009?
Jay | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 1:29 am | #

While the administration has made many questionable decisions, I honestly can't support the rant against them in this case. A person on probation for a DUI who is underage should not be drinking, period. It is doubly against the law.

We're all mad that we lost a talented football player, but I can't see how the blame for this can be placed on anyone but Yeatman.

I wish him luck at Maryland.
suave_andrew | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 6:22 am | #

IF the facts are correct, Yeatman's DUI was for driving "a golf cart" on a sidewalk, not a car. Relax.

Second, with no exaggeration, 80 percent of my dorm would have been kicked out of ND if held to the Yeatman standard. No question. We were all arrested (25 of us) for playing frisbee football, drunk, in the reflecting pool out front the library on a football weekend Friday. Our punishment? Held for 10 minutes, told not to do it again. That's common sense.

Notre Dame is responsible for education of our children, it is not a penal colony.

The Ober-usher treatment of fans is out of hand. The gestapo tailgater stormtroopers harassing fans and arresting kids is ridiculous.

My father's Notre Dame and my Notre Dame is not my children's Notre Dame and I grieve for them.
yago | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 10:10 am | #

Kris,

Well put above. I want to affirm a few things you said. First, most people who rant about in loco parentis apparently don't really understand what it means. You gave a pretty good description. Second, if only all these posters could understand the severity of alcohol abuse on college campuses, they may understand why it is taken so seriously. If you were to ask any college president at an NCAA school what the biggest problem on their respective campus is, there is a likely chance (around 75%) that they will say alcohol abuse.

My two cents: It's funny to see all the people ranting about how terrible ND handled this situation, but in 3 months when Miami has a couple kids busted, the same people will say, "Look at how great ND standards and its students are." I hate to break it to you, but you can't have it both ways. You can't one minute want to give pardons all over the place, and still retain an image of quality young people. Although ND doesn't admit this, athletes are (and rightly should be) held to a higher standard. They are the face of the university and role models to many. It's called discipline and if you don't have it, you can't survive at ND. Yeatman didn't have it. I'm sure he is a great guy, but the team couldn't count on him any more and frankly, that's not good enough. Sometimes you have to give up some freedoms and rights and be selfless for the sake of your university and TEAM.
Eric | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 10:16 am | #

Agreed with Yago.

ND tailgating used to a fun, family oriented event. I cherished them as a child. Whole families would come out in their RVs. It was awesome.

Now, we have no RVs, cops around every corner, and quite frankly, it seems like its because dangerous to go out there and have a good time. When I tailgate out there now, I go ahead and pay the $50 bucks or so to be on someone's land close to the stadium, just so I don't have to worry about public intoxication tickets (in Indiana, you can't get a public intox. ticket on private land, even during public events).

Kick excise out, and bring in some cops with a positive and friendly attitude.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 11:08 am | #

Brad,

Good luck kicking out a police organization with legitimate jurisdiction throughout the entire state of Indiana and that spends particular energy at large gatherings like football games, the Indy 500, Brickyard 400, etc. Tailgating is a "target rich environment" for cops whose job it is to enforce alcohol laws.

There are cops with positive and friendly attitudes, stories of jackbooted Gestapo notwithstanding. They just don't get the same press and the ones who are, in someone's opinion, overzealous in enforcing the law.

I've been on campus tailgating several times since I graduated, and I have never seen the harrassment mentioned here. The worst I've seen was someone being told that they couldn't walk around with an open beer can. The only arrests I have seen were warranted by the person's behavior. If one isn't conspicuous, one doesn't get arrested. And I have seen plenty of folks who should have been arrested but weren't, where cops would simply smile and look the other way, shaking their heads. But again, that doesn't make good blog fodder.
Kris | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 11:16 am | #

Is it me or has the frequency of players taking a semester off risen lately? The only other players that I can think of that left ND and came back are Julius Jones and Travis Leitko. In the last two years, ND has had three: Kuntz, Walls, and now Gray.
Josh | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 11:19 am | #

Kris you are in the minority. The ND Cops going way overboard has been well documented, and anecdotally (it's a word now?) I've never heard someone think it hasn't increased
Majnun | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 11:25 am | #

For the record, I'm not condoning underage drinking or kids taking risks or being stupid. My perspective is that kids do take risks and are, in fact, often stupid. As adults we have an obligation to be engaged and take some responsibility for them and their mistakes, even as we are setting and enforcing limits in order to get them to carry that responsibility themselves. I don't mean to be self righteous about lawlessness, and I'm not saying we know the whole story. But I also know that as an authority figure, it sometimes takes risks or involves sacrifices to show mercy or tolerance, and not to wash your hands of troublemakers. I hope that university leadership is taking those risks when it comes to the kids in their care, and I trust that they are, because that's what makes the world a better place - not just keeping beer out of the hands of youngsters.
indy | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 12:21 pm | #

i think how one interprets the meaning of "in loco parentis" depends on the approach one takes to being a parent. rules, no matter how inane they are or unevenly enforced, are still the rules.

yet my job as a parent is to send my child out in the world as a functioning, responsible adult. and like it or not, upon their 18th birthday, the law considers them an adult, no matter what their level of maturity. except for drinking i believe. and not sure about any others, but with what goes on at college (and high school, to be frank) parties, sending a daughter away without knowing her limits when it comes to alcohol seems irresponsible at best, and borderline negligent at worst.

the problem is that more than a few of the laws passed recently to "protect the children" actually prevent them from growing up. and if you listen closely, the same people who think all these rules are good things are the same ones who bitch about their kids having no direction and moving home after college.

the really unfortunately thing about most of these laws that get enacted is that they would have almost no chance of passing muster in a ballot referendum. yet a small number of vocal pests get them passed anyhow. and it happens under both parties (not the college/high school ones).

lastly, brad, you do realize that when you tailgate on campus, you ARE on private property, right?
yz | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 2:05 pm | #

Not only did Yeatman violate his probation, but he spent the summer talking to high school kids about how dumb he was and how much he learned from his situation. Looks like there could have been more to learn.

I don't know any facts about how the situation was handled by the cops, the university, or Yeatman himself, but I do agree that someone who has been given a second chance and has represented himself to others as a beacon of hope should have done everything in his power to avoid ANY situation that could jeopardize that chance.

I wish him well at Maryland.
Erik '04 | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 2:52 pm | #

Our nation's drinking laws are dumb, arbitrary and ineffective, and that is where the problem starts here. The age 21 law turns the vast majority of college students into lawbreakers, setting them on a path of general disrespect for the law. The cops who have to enforce this law, because it is their job, get despised. Binge drinking would be reduced if we sensibly allowed younger people to have their first experiences with alcohol in a family setting, not at some tribal gathering where the illegality adds to the whole visceral appeal. My two cents.
rays15 | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 3:34 pm | #

Junior backup safety Jashaad Gaines is not enrolled this semester either.

http://www.journalgazette.net/ap...OGS02/ 901130245
Erik '04 | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 3:53 pm | #

YZ,

Yeah, I do know that the school is private property, but it is a public place according to the laws of our state. By being a school, the law treats it as a public area. Similarly, a mall may be owned by a single person, but the law treats it as public property because it is used as such.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 3:55 pm | #

In more disturbing news, Rivals released its Top 100 players and ND only has three guys. Hope Charlie isn't losing it on the recruiting front. Most of the guys seem committed too.
Greg | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 4:07 pm | #

Latina out. Verducci in.

http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-foo.../ 011409aac.html
kmf | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 4:14 pm | #

Yago, your facts are not correct. Contemporary accounts indicated that it was a car, not a golf cart.
Mr. Wednesday | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 4:25 pm | #

Just saw the new O line coach. Hopefully hes going to be good.
Mexican Irish | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 4:25 pm | #

In the last five years, I've TWICE parked in a high rollers' lot (near Gate 10 of the JACC) and thrice parked in a regular lot.

In the regular lot, I've seen arrests and in-your-face tactics by the police several times per game. In the high rollers' lot, zero police interdiction.

I've been to a lot of games, and it's pretty clear what's going on. Selective enforcement.
Hal | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 4:32 pm | #

Looks like Latina "resigned to pursue other opportunities" as well. So far so good with our coaching changes. They have all gone pretty smoothly, and it's nice to see a solid replacement on the O-line. Can't wait to meet our D-line and O-coordinators when they get hired. I just hope Verducci remembers how to develop the talent rather than just utilizing it, but he's had NFL success recently in Buffalo and Cleveland.
Erik '04 | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 5:32 pm | #

Hal,

You are absolutely correct about the class issue in tailgating. I tailgate in various areas. When I am with the younger (and less moneyed) crowds, I occassionally see trouble. But never once have I ever seen police give any guff when I'm in the area where the doctors and lawyers and donors are (and most of those guys get drunker than a fiddler's bitch!).

Bout time for the Oline change. Long needed. Hopefully we can see ND start to plow people again.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 6:21 pm | #

Brad,

Do you see a difference in the behaviors in the "wealthier" tailgating areas? In my experience, they may be drunk, but I would not be surprised if there are fewer incidents worthy of police intervention there as well. The older folks just simply don't tend to draw as much attention, while younger ones do. So, more patrols and tighter tolerances exist in areas more prone to disorderly behavior.
Kris | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 7:11 pm | #

What's the purpose of having one or two beers when you're 10 years old? Seriously!

Right or wrong, most college students drink for a harmless social release. Some ause alcohol and take it too far. Most of us are guilty. But one or two? I can't remember ever having one or two at a gathering when I was in college. What would be the point?

I have one or two now that I'm graying and balding. I like the taste with pizza or a sandwich. But, not when I was underage. I was an idiot back then like the rest of my friends. My guess is that he had already consumed one or two on his way to 5 or 6 (an amount that would probably make Yeatman slightly more talkative, legally unable to drive a car, but probably not drunk).

Too bad. Seems like a good kid who has a proclivity for getting caught making the same bad choices 90% of us have made. Not ND's fault.
bridog'91 | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 7:31 pm | #

Kris,

Very true. I am not disputing that. You don't see doctors and donors blaring music and having wet t-shirt contests or anything, but that doesn't mean there isn't just as much drinking and partying going on. I not saying there is an intentional bias going on or anything, but I think the police are very aware of who is where. Thats all.
Brad | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 8:22 pm | #

bridog,

One or two beers wouldn't have gotten Yeatman suspended without the DUI and probation.
Kris | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 9:06 pm | #

Jay,

The first sentence in Ty's book is "Notre Dame was losing." That could also be the last line in the book.
GB | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 9:52 pm | #

GB, three words: crazy ex girlfriend.
indy | Email | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 10:17 pm | #

8 more months to the Pitt game.
carter the unstoppable footbal | Email | Homepage | 01.16.09 - 10:09 am | #