Should also link Crist to Goodman if you can. That was one sweet throw.


"One of the better catches". Ya think?

Only possible way to beat that catch would have been if it was at the end of the USC game.


Theo Riddick destroyed the defensive end on that play. He got help from Duncan, but Riddick was the one that put the DE on his ass, and then he ran across the pocket to try to pick someone else up right before Clausen uncorked that 56 yd bomb. He is already better at pass pro than Jonas Gray.


I can't begin to explain how excited I am to see Golden and Floyd lining opposite each other again.

I'd love to see the reaction of the Navy DC sitting at his desk when he gets the news that Floyd will be back, hanging his head, "Sh!t!!!


I was in San Antonio last week and I cant tell you how sad I was that Floyd didnt make a guest appearance ...


In Golden We Trust


Nate,

Back to your point on the earlier thread, it's a different formation not different personnel. The defense doesn't have time to make substitutions once the huddle breaks and having Jimmy in the huddle, it will typically have the pro-style personnel in there.

And once we lineup in the wildcat out of the huddle, it's too late and they've got the wrong personnel in there to stop the "option-like" attack.


Not bad by JC, 60 yards in the air.


Did anyone else notice on the hail mary play the difference in position between Tate and Goodman? Goodman was behind everyone, not in a position to make a play on the ball. Tate just has really good instincts on where to be. I wonder if Goodman was told to be nearby for a tip, and not to interfere if Tate was right there.


I think that Tate should receive a half-game suspension for violating team rules [of physics]. Look at the Cashore photo. If we polled all readers, based on nothing but that shot: 'does Golden make this catch?', I bet it would be 90% 'no'. Scratch that, if we could see the jersey numbers, it would probably be 90% yes.


I wonder if Floyd will be a full go this weekend, or if he'll be used as more of a decoy on Saturday?


To go back to the Wildcat for a second: in response to a question at a presser about why it works, Charlie explained that it effectively takes an extra defender out in a running play. Rather than being simply a vehicle to deliver the ball to the RB (and therefore a waste of personnel), the QB lines up as a receiver who has to be accounted for. This doesn't work as well if there is little expectation that the QB might receive a pass, which is why having someone like Goodman taking the snap could make it even more effective.


@jugmed I thought so about Goodman, too. But remember that sometimes on Hail Marys there's a person in back that receives a tipped ball from the front receiver. Not sure that was the plan, but I'll give Goodman the benefit of the doubt.


Catz and Jugmed,

As good as Jimmy is, he doesn't have that kind of accuracy on a Hail Mary pass. I don't think Goodman was in the wrong position, the pass just happened to be in a position where Tate had a better angle through the jumping defenders (not to mention that his athleticism MAY have had something to do with it). If that pass goes deeper by five yards, Goodman is the one better positioned to make the catch.

From the picture I thought that Goodman looks to be pulling on the shoulderpads of one of the defenders but from the video it looks like he goes for the ball and just runs into the WSU defender and tries to subsequently pull him down. There is no way that he would have gotten anything that got tipped.

I'm guessing the players are taught not to be too close to each other so defenders can't cover two people with one person (similar to red zone plays).

But, I'd be interested to know what kind of, if any, strategy and coaching there is on the Hail Mary. There might be techniques, but I'm guessing most of it is "Go get the &%$#@$% ball!"


John05:

Not to be "Mr. Obvious", but if there were a strategy or formula for a play like that, it'd probably be called something other than a "Hail Mary".

And to contradict myself, the coach apparently referred to it as a "50 GO". The 50 is all about protection, the GO is more about Mary.


Floyd + Tate = At D Ye Loft.


Never get tired of watching that catch. Never.


I'm well aware this game was not sold out and was not so much expected to be, but I was not aware just how badly it was not sold out until I looked at the Cashore photo. The upper corners are EMPTY, and even the lower part of the upper decks is spotty at best. That dome is not even that large to begin with, so a sell out should not have been too difficult, one would think. Anyone know what was the "actual attendance" announced for the game?


Anyone know what was the "actual attendance" announced for the game?

Approximately 53,000, in a 65,000 seat stadium.

On a night when Game Three of the World Series was being played. And an undefeated Texas team was playing Oklahoma State on a split-national broadcast (the other part of the split was USC-Oregon).

Not a dismal turnout.


I was at the game. The stadium seats 65,000, and attendance was over 54,000. I, too, was disappointed it wasn't a sell out, which is why I'm not so sure about these neutral site games. Of course, the lack of a sell out could have been a function of the opponent as well. Everyone figured it wouldn't be a close game.

I certainly wasn't disappointed in the result!


Although next year's game against Army would not seem to be a close game either, there might be some excitement about the first football game at the new Yankee Stadium.


It was also Halloween night. And that was the last play of the half. I'm sure there were more than a few people standing in beer/bathroom lines kicking themselves for missing that play.


San Antonio is also a basketball town and there was a Spurs game that night as well.

Also remember that people were starting to file out for the concession stands with 7 seconds left in the half - which would account for the lack of heads in the lower bowl.

*I mean, how often does a Hail Mary really work?


Let's beat this dead horse a little more - how many think our success in the Wildcat is due to our backs hitting the hole about a second earlier than they usually do from the 7-yard drop position? Oh yeah, and the fact that Tate is the RB?


Do yourself a favor: Go back and forth between the pic of the week and the Cashore photo. Look at Tate's feet compared to WSU #28's and Goodman's. Doesn't make sense.


Tate started elevating earlier and has a great hang-time :-)


One thing I always look forward to each week is the "film study" recap with coach Weis posted on UND.com on Mondays. Usually Jack Nolan sits down with Charlie for a 10-15 minute one-on-one to really break down different elements of the previous game, focusing a lot on personnel, scheme, gameplan, different plays, injuries, etc. The video and audio is interspersed and laid over footage from the previous game so when Coach Weis is talking about Theo Riddick and his success and what the coaches wanted to see out of him you're actually seeing replays of Riddick carrying the ball.

I mention this in response to the questions above about what the coaches were specifically trying to do with that TD bomb to Golden Tate. Charlie describes in detail exactly what he told the team during the time out prior to the play, and exactly what the play is designed to do. He describes what he told Jimmy was going to happen and where to throw the ball. It's really a great in-depth behind-the-scenes look at that play from Charlie's perspective and thought process. Check it out!

It's the "Exclusive Coach Weis WSU Recap Interview - Nov. 2" at the following link:

http://www.und.com/sports/m-foot.../ 110209aaa.html


That stadium looks barely half full.

Catch of the season, btw.


Okay, what stays airborne longer? Golden Tate jumping to catch a pass over a defender, or a punt by Ben Turk?


@Joe Subway: ZING!

Seriously though I thought Turk improved a little bit last week. I think someone mentioned the punt formation as to why he struggled against BC and it makes some sense. If you re-watch the punts where he gets pressure up the middle it looks as if Turk holds back and doesn't get full extension on his leg.

I don't understand the spread punt formation, and it seems to make even less sense when Turk looks to be holding back for fear of kicking the ball into the back of the personal protector.

His best punts are when there is no one even close to him. I still like Turk much more than Maust and I think he'll come around.

P.S. Tauch is amazing. Best kicker since Setta?


JS, When Tate did his 360 aerial flip he covered more ground than Turk.


What's not to like about Evan Sharpley? I hope they let that chuck a deep one before the year is out. There's an unselfish guy who has checked his ego and worked steady to make the team better in whatever way it asked. Heart and soul.


Tate is so good I'm glad too see ever thing plays out the why it does. I still can remeber when he was a recruit i say his name and just knew the south bend tribune head lines some day would say TATE GOLDEN FOR IRISH. With Big MIKE back ND CAN NOT BE STOP. IN WEIS WE TRUST>


Amen to that, Indy. You talk about a guy who has handled a tough QB situation over the years with as much class as it can be done, that's Evan Sharpley. Would have been easy for him to pout JC's freshman year or leave the team after DC passed him.


While Tate obviously has incredibly strong hands, I've noticed throughout the year that he is remarkably strong all over. Withstanding the two Mays hits on his TD's against USC are the most obvious examples, but there have been a number of other times this year where people lay pretty good hits on him and he just bounces off them, or he's ganged up on and the refs have to blow the play dead because he won't go down.


John05, I don't buy that the QB flanking out as a receiver is the reason the wildcat works. You keep a corner in the general vicinity of him, and 95% of Qb's out there are no threat to catch a ball unless completely uncovered. Corners play short coverage with an eye to the RB to see if the sweep is in their direction, one safety plays over the top to prevent the "QBWR" from being ridiculously open, and the line and linebackers and extra safety charge the run. The play-side corner releases the receiver to contain the sweep, the safety picks up that receiver...it seems pretty simple to me (again, not being a football coordinator, I'm sure I'm oversimplifying).

I can see the whole "personnel" thing being an issue if you normally line up in a pass-spread shotgun formation, so the D is playing nickel/dime, and you break the huddle and line up in the Wildcat, but not if a normal.


Sorry, didn't mean to end that so abruptly. Meant to say "not if a normal formation/personnel".

I gotta say, this is a *CRAPPY* season to be without ability to see the games. I finally got to see the Tate catch just before BGS posted this up. I'm still missing everything from the BC and USC games. I'd just go to Youtube, but that's not really looked upon well here on work computers in the middle of the operations center...

Starting tomorrow I SHOULD have better internet, at least. I'll have to catch up.


http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.c...-wildcat-works/

The wife found this for me, after reading my comments here. While Brown talks about the advantages the formation gives you, it still seems like it should be stoppable with a decent defensive plan.


Re; Attendance. I'm wondering if ND is aware that Ft. Sam Houston & Lackland AF base are situated in SA. The troops are always up for a game.


Even more than his strength, I think Tate is special because of balance and body control. How many times have we seen him shrug off a hit because he balances into it with just enough weight to keep his forward momentum and feet under him? He must have older brothers. This is the kind of thing you can only learn from being four and refusing to let a five and six year old cut the eyes off your bear. You can't let them pin you, and you can't give up the rock. If only those skills came in handy at the office! When I slapped that report out of the VPs hands walking in to the conference room last tuesday, and shouted 'hands b*tch!' he looked at me like I was the problem.


Hilarious, indy. Definitely made me picture that occuring in my office...


Ha ha ha ha - damnit Indy, I'm sending you the dry cleaning bill for my now-coffee-stained shirt. Better than crabcakes, I suppose.

Hmm, my boss is an ND grad & football fan; I wonder if he'd appreciate that...

On second thought, I think I'll leave that one to my imagination, since I probably shouldn't be losing my job right now. Damn economy - it's just sucking all the humor out of life.

'07 never occurred. Love it.


"Hands, b*tch!" is now written in blue on the whiteboard in my cube. Properly attributed, of course.


"he looked at me like I was the problem", that made my day, thanks indy


Indy... those weren't TPS reports by any chance, were they?


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