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Lets imagine something for a moment:
If hillary clinton was the nominee, and there were plenty of obama supporters who continued in their exaggerated distaste for senator clinton- would that make you think twice about voting for hillary- the candidate who you felt would best serve the country starting in november?
I think not. So why should the behaviors of some - not all- of the obama supporters deter you from following the same course now that hillary is not the candidate?
I understand your annoyance. If Obama had not won, I would feel very much inclined to like, and certainly vote for senator clinton in the fall. And the attitudes and behavior of some clinton supporters would no doubt bother me some- but I wouldn't entertain ideas fueled by (what could be seen as) an immature sense of spiting the competition, even if I felt the urge.
as natural as that urge is.
Ms woolf, I'm just a bit peeved at some of the insanity, and the harsh words that Dems are throwing at each other. I'll get over it by November, but probably only if Dems can start acting like they are smart enough to lead the country, and stop repeating every bit of spin that the media throws at them.
I can't accuse the Obama camp of whipping up this hatred of all things Clinton, I think that came from the media. Liberals used to be smart, they used to be able to think for themselves, and not just repeat everything that they heard on Cable, or read in The Nation.
I don't want to belong to a party that has adopted a pack mentality, and let's be honest, Obama needs Clinton voters
so why not stop the hate talk, and act like a democrat?
You are driving potential obama voters away. It's cool if you think you don't need them, but you never know, come november.
TW and Ms Woolf
I think we'll be better positioned to evaluate the impact of Hillary Clinton's campaign in a few weeks, and better yet, after the general election.
My own views have softened considerably over the past week, and I can't be the only person out here who is finding this to be an opportunity to expand consciousness on the ongoing issues of gender and race.
I intend to stop throwing rocks at Hillary and Geraldine, and to wait patiently for Clinton's devoted supporters to come around.
I will continue to point out that gender discrimination (and - at least in West Virginia and Kentucky - racial discrimination) played to Hillary's advantage, but I will only do that in response to further arguments to the contrary - arguments that undermine our nominee and trivialize the real issues faced by women in our society.
Disagreements on this question seem to engage women in debate - with women like Ms Woolf arguing with our own TW - as often as they put men and women of good will on opposite sides. That should be a clue to us that we can learn more at this point by switching from seeking to be understood to seeking to understand.
In my most humble opinion, that is.
Neil
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