Who is the guy on the left? I know who it resembles, but not who it is. Check Yale anyway though.
In fact, I have a high degree of confidence that the "recovered" image is a photocopy of the second Zarqawi picture--but with a left-right flip. This transform preserves assymetries in the face, and wrinkles in the shirt.
Also: what does a photo of a terrorist found in Iraq mean? Moreover, what does the presence of terrorists in Iraq mean?
Supposedly, there are al Queda terrorists here in the U.S. Does that mean Bush controls them? That the U.S. harbors terrorists? That we are a threat to ourselves?
After four years, you're hanging this war on a photocopy? Great. I'm sure the tens of thousands of dead, wounded, maimed appreciate it.
God bless America.
erik144 - I noticed the same thing. Though the photocopy is poor quality, I think there's enough similarity to think one is the reverse of the other.
tbone - why do you find this document so threatening? Simply because it indicates that Saddam's regime was aware of the presence of al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq in 2002? Ah, I see...it's become leftie dogma that Saddam was a misunderstood saint who had never even heard the word "terrorist" until the Bushitlerburton invasion.
Curt Weldon was, up until recently, telling us that he was certain that a photo of Atta appeared on an Able Danger chart prior to 9-11. To tbone's point, is that an indictment of the US? Did we and do we harbor terrorists? How many Middle Eastern countries have uninvited terrorists in their midsts? I would venture to say, "most of them". Even folks on the left don't deny that a) Zarqawi was in cahoots with a terrorist group with a base in the Northern region of Iraq outside of Saddam's contral and b) that he may have passed through Iraq - uninvited - between the time he left Afghanistan and our invasion of Iraq. Does that mean that he and Saddam were working together? Hardly. I think the fact that the Iraq intelligence services were tracking Zarqawi is evidence that they were worried about the guy being in country. This document ultmiately proves nothing. Heck, Juan Cole is claiming that this is proof that Saddam was NOT working with Zarqawi. It can be interpreted either way...and it has been. Let's not jump to conclusions....that's how we got into this mess in the first place.
What mess?
You mean shifting the battlefield to the middle east, routing two evil regimes while suffering some of the lowest casualty rates in history and not suffering another attack on American soil since 9/11?
Curt Weldon is frustrated that the simple-minded poltroons in the Press only have the wit to focus on the chart, which is the tip of the Able Danger iceberg. I know this because Curt Weldon told me so during a conference call. I'd be very careful about putting words into his mouth, if I were you.
Saddam knew NOTHING about terrorists. Well, except for that Abu Nidal feller. But HE was the only one. Seriously. Really. Wanna buy a bridge?
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WOR.../mideast.nidal/
After four years, you're hanging this war on a photocopy? Great. I'm sure the tens of thousands of dead, wounded, maimed appreciate it.
I'm fairly confident the hundreds of thousands of people maimed, tortured, and killed by Saddam's regime appreciate his removal from office. If of course, they aren't dead.
i can't help but to agree with this point...
What mess?
You mean shifting the battlefield to the middle east, routing two evil regimes while suffering some of the lowest casualty rates in history and not suffering another attack on American soil since 9/11?
tbone, its been said before and it'll be said again, would you rather fight the terrorists in baghdad in baltimore?
...oh im sorry, i forgot, you're liberal, you'd rather not fight at all
Yarr. Good to see you swashbucklers. I'm gonna be out for a couple. Give 'em hell.
Ever MORE PROOF that coalition troops are at the right place at the right time!
What part of "strategic" do the pacifists not understand? To see them continue in denial, no matter the evidence or continued provocation, I can only marvel at their fairy-tale, Peter Pan existence.
Al Qeada was in Iraq before 2003.
Maybe Saddam was working them.
But if Saddam had been slick, he would have rounded up some Al Qeada folks and killed them, just to give the French another reason to lift the UN sanctions.
But Saddam didn't.
The US, Britain and the willing partners did the world a favor by removing Saddam from power.
It is far better for our troops to be engaging Al Qeada in Iraq,. To have Al Qeada waste its resources in Iraq -- than to be battling them in Cincinnati.
"After four years, you're hanging this war on a photocopy? Great. I'm sure the tens of thousands of dead, wounded, maimed appreciate it."
Right next to the photocopy are hanging over a quarter million Iraqi corpses (documented human rights abuses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hum..._Saddam's_Iraq)
. The overwhelming majority of dead, wounded and maimed can be laid right at the feet of Saddam Insane and the Islamic jihadi nutcases flooding into Iraq from Saudi, Syria and Iran.
tbone sez: "After four years, you're hanging this war on a photocopy?"
Literally, of course, one can't hang a war on a photocopy. Everyone knows that even a single battle is much too heavy to hang on a photocopy, even if you use heavyweight, glossy paper.
I surmise, however, that you're speaking in metaphors--i.e., you're asking if someone's attempting to use a photocopied document as sole support for a justification of the invasion of Iraq.
Doesn't seem to me that anyone's done that, here or anywhere. the arguments presented for war were manifold, including Saddam's WMD development programs, Saddam's blatant disregard for UN Security Council resolutions, Saddam's abysmal human rights record and Saddam's support for terrorists.
The Dhims have been savaging Bush, Cheney and Rice for years for even SUGGESTING that there MIGHT have been some operational connection between al Qaeda and Iraq. This "photocopy" is a piece of evidence that may lead to solid evidence of such a relationship. It may not be more than that (only time will tell), but that in and of itself would be pretty interesting, don'cha think?
I can't believe that there are still people arguing that the world was better off with Saddam in power that it is with him in a courtroom on trial for his life.
To understand the situation you would have to try to imagine the Republican party of 1945 hating FDR so much that they would try to make the case that the Jews of Europe were better off under Hitler.
Bush Derangement Syndrome indeed.
I'm completely tired of hearing, reading, etc., that there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Al Qaeda and friends were (are) in Afghanistan; Pakistan; Egypt; Sudan; Somalia; Kenya; Tanzania; Malaysia; the Philippines; Saudi Arabia; Morocco; Tunisia; Spain; Indonesia; England; Turkey; Lackawanna, NY; Portland, Oregon; south Florida; etc., etc., etc. But the one place in the world Al Qaeda wasn't was Iraq.
Right, like that makes sense.
Ooooooo.....excellent point Lady Jane...loved it!
FUKENEH!
Did it get suddenly quiet in here or is my browser acting up again????
The Dhimmicrappers have never been able to prove that Saddam wasn't in collaboration with terrorists.
Seems to me when a bunch of people who live in the same part of the world, speak the same language, and have the same common enemy, they would be aware of eachother.
Libs are great at memorizing slogans from their Little Red Book and pretty lousy at critical thought.
Yes...I love it when they withdraw back into the "Patriotism" theme for themselves...like BJ Franklin once said..."Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"....
I think they're a sailin fer the horizon.....
OGlib said:
"Hardly. I think the fact that the Iraq intelligence services were tracking Zarqawi is evidence that they were worried about the guy being in country. This document ultmiately proves nothing."
Except that there is a teeny tiny difference, one that usually escapes the notice of lefties, between democractic governments like that of the US and its allies, and a totalitarian regime such as Saddam's Iraq. When the feds in the US or the Netherlands are "worried" about someone being in the country, they compile a dossier. When Saddam's intelligence services were "worried" about someone being in the country, they killed him.
...Oh wait, I forgot that all those mass graves are a myth, and poor Saint Saddam was a kindly and beloved leader of his people prior to the invasion by the evil United States.
Aye! That be th' bilge rat
So, Lady Jane, let's start bombing Afghanistan; Pakistan; Egypt; Sudan; Somalia; Kenya; Tanzania; Malaysia; the Philippines; Saudi Arabia; Morocco; Tunisia; Spain; Indonesia; England; Turkey; Lackawanna, NY; Portland, Oregon; south Florida.
You wanna be the first to enlist?
Terrence, did it hurt your brain when you twisted it into a pretzel to puke out this post?
Gar! Terrence, I reckon you've sniffed too many of Phillip's air biscuits
So big, brave genius troll Terrance (where is Philip?) thinks that a phony reductio ad absurdam conclusion of his own making constitutes a good comeback? Brilliant!
Terrance, you are right, all situations everywhere are exactly the same, and context never matters. To use your "logic", since attacking Saddam was unjustified, we shouldn't attack -or even defend ourselves against- anyone anywhere!
Then again... you might actually believe that.
I can't believe that there are still people arguing that the world was better off with Saddam in power that it is with him in a courtroom on trial for his life
Yes, there are indeed people like that, including myself. I also happen to believe the world (and the US in particluar) was better of for the alliance with and de facto support of Joe Stalin in 1941.
Stalin, by the way, is evil in the flesh. You put Stalin and Saddam together in a locked room, and come back an hour later, this all you would find: Stalin wiggling his mustache and with the hint of a twinkle in his eye, and a fine red mist.
Good day.
Aye, Mr. Stone! And if ye put Saddam and one of his own countrymen in the same room, ye would find Saddam with the same twinkle and fine red mist
Awesome back and forth on this. There have been a lot of updates on Saddam and al Qaeda since them. I am trying to post them all at www.regimeofterror.com for those interested.
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