Let me direct your attention to this.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.
I will be sending an e-mail to my governor to let him know of this activity.
Just whistled this off. It'll be interesting to see his response:
I have found it is incumbent on me to notify you, as Governor, of the Treason committed by the New York Times by giving aid and comfort to our enemies through the publishing of this:
http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?
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I believe I am required to inform you, to comply with
The U.S. Code Chapter 18 Part I section 2382.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having
knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals
and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same
to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the
governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is
guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title
or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/
ca...ction_2382.html
Thank-you for your attention to this matter.
* Specifically, how would you like the Office of the Governor to assist you.
Investigate Treason. They deserve a fair trial before they are hanged.
Comrades,
As much as I would like to see the staff of the NYT hung from the nearest lamposts by their own intestines, I propose a more "American" solution...
How's about we get a group together, dress up like Indian warriors, and throw them into New York Harbor? We could call it the NYT-Party???
Barring that, there's always a good painting of the edotors and staff with molasses, and a "liberal" dusting of chicken feathers.....
Respects,
Gwedd
I'd love to see you do that, and end up in jail.
You can squawk all you want about treason, but this simply is NOT treason. The same charges were made against the NYT during the Pentagon papers case. The government claimed that it was damaging to national security to print them. Turns out it was only damaging to the lies the White House (yes, under a Democrat at first) had been telling us about the war.
The first true military correspondent, who covered the Crimean war, was called treasonous and a traitor. These charges happen every time the media covers a war.
It is one of the condign costs of democracy that a free press sometimes impedes governmental secrecy. Often, though, it is not a cost, but a munificent boon for the polity.
Yarrr...as many a ya know...I watch that there feller O'Reilly quite a bit...likes him I do...anyway...I also likes that Judge Napolitano...who...when asked by Bill..."Is this a treasonous act?"...he replied that it was NOT....went on to state that he completely disagreed with the Whore Lady...but it was not treason. His decision made me sad it did...but he know's the law a might better than this old gumshoe....
...anyways...is it somehow possible to hold a "Pirates Raid" on the NYT...? That's me query it is....
I submit, Cookie, these people should be brought up on charges. Charges that will follow them thru life. They should be dragged thru the mud just as Tom DeLay was.
Maybe we'll get lucky and be able see them swing from the yard arm.
Lowly Knave...I couldn't agree more...I truly wish that in a legal sense this incident would be considered treason...but unfortunately...I don't think we'll see that. Until such time as the NYT readership and circulation decreases...that devil spawn bastard of a media will continue to put out its liberal left wing diatribe....
The Secretary of the Treasury called out the managing editor of the NYT. Michelle Malkin has the letter posted.
Cookie: the Gray Whore's circulation has been in freefall for some time now.
jd: somebody once said, I believe it was Lincoln, that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. In fact, the NYT is in violation of at least three statutes in this case. You could look it up.
Bluto; That statement could hardly be considered a precedent in regards to the NYT. It was supposedly made by Lincoln in answer to protests at the time of his first suspension of the writ of habeus corpus. What many fail to realize, including yourself evidently, is that the Constitution expressly allows the writ to be suspended in cases of invasion or rebellion--as was the case in the Civil War — not for disloyal utterances from individuals or the press.
Also worth noting -- in Lincoln's time, the Civil War was widely seen as having an end point. It is not so clear cut today with the current war on terrorism, or more correctly, the war on terrorists. Not allowing yourself to be "hogtied" by constitutional impracticalities has never been more dangerous to our democracy than right now, in a time of wars with no end points or even expectations of end points.
Yes, Lee thought that endpoint would occur at Gettysburg, but events intervened. Lincoln's observation is timeless, and especially apropos today. Disloyalty does not necessarily consist of providing service to the enemy in time of war, as the NYT has repeatedly done, but do continue to attempt to minimize their calumny, as creatures of your ilk are wont.
I've found, without exception, that internet commenters who are compelled to use the word "truth" as part of their avatar's name have little acquaintance with that virtue.
Bluto; your churlishness shows--a product no doubt of rearing. Oh well. For me, I'm endlessly amused by those who would throw around the words "disloyalty" and "sedition" as easily as the rest of the world says "please pass the sugar." Truly minimizes their very concepts, though probably wins a fair number of shouting matches, eh?
"Churlishness"??? Wow! Me gotta look that un up!
Bluto - some of you guys do throw around those terms too easily. I prefer mostly pretentious opportunistic self-gratifying inept smucks. I know - doesn't has the same bite.
At this point in the "game", I doubt most "leaks" are accidental or the work of outstanding journalism.
The MSM has always been down on Bush/Iraq etc. If you can't control them, you might as well USE THEM. I think you know what I mean - we had this discussion long ago ref. NSA - remember.
>"Truth" Falcon: Bluto; your churlishness shows--a product no doubt of rearing.
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We all [or most of us anyway] thank GOD for Bluto's upbringing and churlishness.
Churl-on Bluto! heh heh heh!
“as valiant as the lion, churlish as the bear” (Shakespeare)
Lincoln clearly committed several unconstitutional acts during the civil war: imprisoning state legislators in MD, shutting down newspapers...and thus his quote is, as DPB puts it, timeless. On the other hand, remember the wisdom of the great conservative Burke, who said that the purpose of all the procedural protections in Anglo-saxon law is to make "that which is not just never be convenient." The judiciary must be free to assess whether the president's actions are justified by the threat. They will get it wrong, as in Korematsu. But at least it will maintain separation of powers.
Here's a question for ya, DPB. The WH now says that they are in the clear on this, because they briefed congress. Yet congress was only briefed a few weeks ago, about a program that has been going on for five years. why were they suddenly briefed? Because the WH realized that the NYT might print this. Therefore, we can see that a consequential good has come from the revelation--it forced Bush to tell Congress' leaders what was being done.
It's not treason, it is the acme of good citizenship.
And so, if I were to quote FDR for a specific point I'm supposed to also carry all the baggage of HIS unconstitutional acts while in office?
Very defective logic, jd; not even sophomore in high school level.
Comrades,
JD: Hmmm.. so, me and my comrades tarring and feathering certain indescrete members of the 5th column, er, press is a criminal act worthy of being jailed for, whilst those same reporters giving aid and comfort to opur enemies is "protected speech"? Gimmee a break...
The best thing that could happen right now is for certain newspapers and TV stations to be treated with the same contempt as their Copperhead predecessors were in the Civil War, by mobs of outraged citizens. File it under "performance art" or perhaps, "street theatre", or maybe simply some citizens exercising their OWN rights under the 1st Ammendment.
It's just amazing how the leftists will sell out their own nation, hell, they'll sell out all of the civilized world, if it will keep them in office and their "entitlements" flowing.
If democrats ever regain the White House, then you can be certain that the tombstone of the United States will be engraved with the words: Died of Democracy.
Me? I'm up for a little "street theatre". Time to give the leftists a taste of their own medicine.
Respects,
Gwedd
That's barbaric, Gwedd. I prefer to respond through my art.
Of course, I'm a martial artist.
DPB--I wasn't criticizing you. I wasn't saying that you had to agree with Lincoln on everything he did. My point was that you were right--Lincoln did several unconstitutional things.
Answer a simple question:
What, exactly, was the top secret program that the New York Times allegedly revealed?
Ah Ha! Meatbrain has stumbled over the "great secret". There isn't one!
I'm lovin' it! Karl Rove - wherever you are - if you had a hand in this - Huuurrrah!!!!
I will explain if anyone's curious - but for now - I'll watch.
meatbrain: the CIA and Treasury Department were tracking international terrorist monetary transactions with the cooperation of the SWIFT banking services, and operation that led to the capture of the Bali bomber. The program was classified top secret.
hondo: recall Twain's Puddin' Head Wilson story about the cat and the cookstove. Not all of these revelations are going to be Rovian in nature.
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