If Republicans were serious about courting the black vote this should be his sixth visit to the NAACP convention as president, but it's only lip service that the GOP wants black votes.
About Bush swearing: let it go.
Roderick: If Republicans were serious about courting the black vote this should be his sixth visit to the NAACP convention as president, but it's only lip service that the GOP wants black votes.
Not necessarily. The NAACP is practically a de facto wing of the Democratic Party and it has had declining membership, so why would that be a place for a conservative Republican to look for votes? Especially since the NAACP looks to government as the panacea for virtually every problem.
Black folks who want smaller government or more focus on moral issues - the sort of black folks who are probably more amenable to the GOP message - probably do not regularly attend NAACP conventions. Hence why we've seen the President and the Republican National Committee head speak with black pastors, and meet with black groups who are amenable to the GOP message or at least willing to give it a serious hearing.
His trip to the NAACP couldn't be any worse than his behavior at the G-8 summit.
1. He cusses with his mouth full of buttered dinner roll.
2. He gives the his German counterpart Chancellor Angela Merkel (yes she is a female) an impromptu
massage or is it a prolonged grope?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...7/17/212531/
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3. And finally Bush has lunch with his old pal Pooty Pooh whom the rest of the world knows as Russian President Vladimir Putin.
http://
www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=1636865
Can't you just feel the love.
Is that a beer bottle on Bush's side of the table?
Maybe that explains his behavior and that 'duh' look on his face.
Lawd have mercy. We have to endure two and a half more years of this clown.
shay: Black folks who want smaller government or more focus on moral issues - the sort of black folks who are probably more amenable to the GOP message - probably do not regularly attend NAACP conventions.
Roderick: so what is the point of preaching to the choir?
You black conservatives complain that blacks overwhelmingly vote Democratic yet you don't think the GOP should meet blacks halfway with a least the gesture of speaking at the convention of the oldest civil rights organization at least once in his eight years in office. Reagan and Bush I who recieved less of the black vote than Bush II had the balls to speak to NAACP while they were presidents.
Since Bush is president he is the de facto leader of the GOP why shouldn't he trouble himself to get out of his comfort zone and speak to an audience which may not agree with him just to show majority of African Americans that he is willing to reach out?
Felix Taylor:About Bush swearing: let it go.
First off I'm grown and you don't tell me what I can and can not say on this board.
Second you are not the moderator so if you don't like what I posted don't read it.
Third we'll stop talking about Bush when he is no longer president. A feat that your side hasn't been able to do with Clinton since your side brings him up daily so you can blame all of Bush's failures on him.
Forthly you're not even an American so why don't you worry about your Prime Minister and stay out of American business.
First of all, I am not a conservative. Second of all, I believe most black folks should be independent of either party because our progress should be independent of either party.
However, it makes no sense for the Republican Party - which views itself as the party of small government and conservative moral values - to seek votes at a convention where attendees overwhelmingly value big government and more liberal social values. That just isn't good use of money or time, nor does it meet the "bang for the buck" test. I wouldn't have expected President Bill Clinton to have attended, say, the Christian Coalition conference for the same reason.
Hence why the GOP is going after those black values voters, who still currently vote mostly Democratic but don't appear to frequent NAACP conventions either. They are likelier to be found at church and business conventions and such, and hence why Bush & company has targeted those sorts of places. That is where they meet black folks halfway.
No matter what Bush does or does not do, it is not enough for some folks.
If you are not going to the convention, you probably shouldn't worry about it either.
Bush should be presidential enough to visit a gathering of any law-abiding group of citizens.
He's the president of all the people, and will not be in another election, so he should be able to talk to the NAACP about the same things he talks about anywhere.
George will probably get up in front of a room full of well-dressed, well-educated, well-to-do Black folk and mortify them all by using the N-word.
No doubt the Bush apologists will immediately begin making excuses,
"Come on the man's from Texas, everybody says it down there."
shay: First of all, I am not a conservative.
I stand corrected Ms. Shay but I still disagree with the GOP strategy.
Or imagine if they have the Greater New Friendship Full Gospel Choir serenade him as he walks in and ole boy starts feeling it. No telling what would come out of the mouth of our president.
It's funny how much the libs are making a big deal out of Bush using a vurse word, as if thats any comparison to a married President receiving a blowjob from his intern while in office. But the liberals have become so desperate that they'll nibble on a chicken bone if it smells like prime steak.
As for Bush having some sort of "obligation" to see the NAACP (who with Julian Bond as head did nothing but publicly hurl insults and totally disrespect the man while he's been President), putting aside that the NAACO doesnt even matter in the Black community anymore, a President gets thousands of invites from thousands of organizations to speak before them, to say he should meet with the NAACP is to say that he should meet with every little group that begs him to speak. In this case, there is no benefit or need for Bush (or the GOP) to meet with any members of the NAACP until they apologize for their past behavior and then, and only then, Bush could consider sending Condi.
Roderick - all the rape and sexual harrassment allegations against Clinton and you're criticizing Bush's behavior??? You're such a partisan clown.
JC, and notice the links he uses. Why didn't he just use the Communist party website? They're as non-partisan as those.
JC: Roderick - all the rape and sexual harrassment allegations against Clinton and you're criticizing Bush's behavior??? You're such a partisan clown.
Pot meet kettle.
You couldn't even defend Bush without bringing up Clinton. How telling.
You're the only clown. And that's exactly what they are allegations.
If the rape charges were true why didn't the lady press charges against Clinton?
The only thing you guys got him on is he lied about getting a bj. LOL
Besides only difference in Republicans and Democrats is Republicans are smarter when it comes to cheating. They cheat with persons who have as much to lose as they do.
GG: It's funny how much the libs are making a big deal out of Bush using a vurse word, as if thats any comparison to a married President receiving a blowjob from his intern while in office.
I don't even know why I'm responding to your sad self but I will.
I'd much rather have a president getting a bj than one sending soldiers to their deaths based on lies he helped spread and keeping them there because he wants to prove that he's a man.
JC
It just goes to show you how much they just hate Bush. The liberals defended Clinton's adultery and rape allegations. And the Black liberals even make a mockery of their race by referring to Clinton as a "Black president" due to all of his immoral behavior, but here they are all up in arms because Bush dared to curse.
JC
It just goes to show you how much they just hate Bush. The liberals defended Clinton's adultery and rape allegations. And the Black liberals even make a mockery of their race by referring to Clinton as a "Black president" due to all of his immoral behavior, but here they are all up in arms because Bush dared to curse.
Felix Taylor:About Bush swearing: let it go.
First off I'm grown and you don't tell me what I can and can not say on this board.
Second you are not the moderator so if you don't like what I posted don't read it.
Third we'll stop talking about Bush when he is no longer president. A feat that your side hasn't been able to do with Clinton since your side brings him up daily so you can blame all of Bush's failures on him.
Forthly you're not even an American so why don't you worry about your Prime Minister and stay out of American business.
Roderick | 07.18.06 - 12:37 pm | #
Easy man! Chill! You need to relax and smoke a joint dude! I was NOT talking about YOU! I was talking about those in the media who thought it was an issue. You can say anything you want and NOTHING has prevented you so far.
For the record, I have learned to respect Bill Clinton. I do give him credit for creating a budget surplus and creating the conditions for the lowest black unemployment rate. There are some people who grew up from Bill Clinton hating and I am one of them. If you think I am raving right-wing lunatic, you don't know me. It's time the assumptions to end!
As you said, Shay is the moderator and I have the right to talk about anything I want even if it includes American politics. For damn's sake we're you neighbours whether you like it or not whatever effects America effects Canada. That's the way it is. If Shay thinks I am out of line, I will comply.
Take it easy, man.
Mr. Grey Ghost: And the Black liberals even make a mockery of their race by referring to Clinton as a "Black president" due to all of his immoral behavior, but here they are all up in arms because Bush dared to curse.
No one is excusing Clinton's behavior but to paraphrase the Bible let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Furthermore you conservatives are the ones who set the moral bar so high when Clinton was president now look what you have representing you.
roderick
you guy are unhinged.
get a blow job in the white house- yu a black president.
curse- how dare you?
lmao at the hypocrits
lol, thanks roderick for finally confirming that your source usually is the dailykos nuts, and the super nutty democratic underground. FYI- if you want to prove a point, never use either of those as a source.
sm: roderick
you guy are unhinged.
get a blow job in the white house- yu a black president.
Roderick: GG the one who made the statement about Clinton being a black president not me so don't misquote me ok.
sm: lol, thanks roderick for finally confirming that your source usually is the dailykos nuts, and the super nutty democratic underground. FYI- if you want to prove a point, never use either of those as a source.
Roderick: So instead of refuting what is in the pictures you change the subject by attacking the source of the pictures?
Classic Rovian/sm move. Attack the messenger.
If you think that the photos were doctored then say. Otherwise keep your mouth shut because you can't defend Bush's behavior and his supposed sobriety. LOL
Comparing cursing to adultery is like comparing jaywalking to rape. And the fact that someone would link the Dauly Kos proves just how much of a lunatic they are (not to mention that he even managed the rare feat of getting Shay riled up).
The NAACP is under new leadership and, regardless of recent past, is the most storied civil rights organization in the United States. Of course he should attend. Even if only 5% of the NAACP back the President (I wouldn't be surprised if it was above the national average of black support), that's irrelevant. He's President of the United States, not President of only people who voted for him.
Good for him.
Mr. Grey Ghost
"And the Black liberals even make a mockery of their race by referring to Clinton as a "Black president" due to all of his immoral behavior, but here they are all up in arms because Bush dared to curse".
As previously stated, no one excuses Clinton's behavior. However, Clinton didn't wear his religion on his sleeve like GWB. Therefore, if GWB or any other politician is going to invoke God, talk about their faith, and push their agenda based on morality, then at the very least you think they would live by example and not curse. For true people of faith, cursing is not a little thing. Anymore than saying God's name in vain is a little thing. Instead of acknowledging GWB was wrong for doing so (based on his constant references to his faith)Mr. Grey Ghost, sm ,etc. have decided to turn the attention to Clinton. What's truly sad about all this talk regarding Clinton's alleged sexual harrassment and his intern is that the same people who use them to diss Clinton had no problem with those individuals being used and discarded by the right. Paula Jones showed the world what happens to a young woman who lets the right-wing/religious right use them for political gain. At the end of the day they're posing for Penthouse magazine for money. Where's the morality in that? It sure helped her case in the court of public opinion, eh? You guys showed just how concerend you really were for her. All that private "charity" you talk about was MIA.
Now back to the subject at hand. Bush cursed, hasn't apologized. And funny thing is..it sounded natural coming from his mouth. Now go ahead and defend his use of the word if you can. If not, drop it you have no point.
President Bush breaking the ice at the NAACP Convention:
President: Thank you, thank you for that applaude. I want to thank the NAACP for inviting me here today. Jesse, thank you. Julian hello how are you? You look a little bit angry, I hope it's not the heat..heh heh..
I know I have declined this convention in the past and I heard and got all the heat for not participating. Quite frankly, me showing up for this convention is like when Richard Pryor was walking in the woods in front of the KKK in that movie "Bustin' Loose" heh heh....Laura and I really miss Richard...hey Jesse, what he say, "and it deep too"
Where was I? oh yeah, not participating in past conventions. Look lets cut the cr-p, you know damn well you mothaf----ers didn't want me here..As a matter of fact, theres proof, I had to park near two porta potties and one big azz trash can. Meanwhile Clinton got to park up front...that's bullbleep...what?! I know the mike is on and cameras are rolling! man...back the eff up or were going to have a discrepancy.
So what can I do? to me it's obvious that if my name ain't Bill I can't do a darn thing that will open up serious debate. And oh yeah save the bullbleep about Katrina..The government has admitted there was a serious lapse in judgement on the federal level, problem is that state and municipal governments of Louisiana had not. We poured billions of dollars into Louisiana alone and wasted billions of dollars on fraudulent claims! This past year, congress okayed a billion more dollars to aide the New Orleans area, what the hell else can I do?
So yeah, I decided not to participate in this convention and after the treatment I got at Coretta Scott King's funeral last year, why in the hell would I put myself and my wife through this again. Julian Bond called the party I represent the Taliban, Harry Belafonte compares me to Hitler and Danny Glover despite making good money and being recognized as A list actor is claiming the country he lives in, is just a racist as it was 50 - 60 years ago.
We disagree, but unlike the NAACP of the past, this regime does not want to solve problems or discuss the issues. No, instead insults are hurled by this group and others...it ain't right..
So now I have shown up to your little convention, taken pictures and shook hands and now I will leave you all to your rhetoric and name calling..
I'm out dis motherf=%ka...
Hilarious, JC.
roderick
ok, here is exactly my point. nutty, you look for anything and make it an issue. that picture. yes, exactly what is in that picture. seriously. NOTHING! absolutely nothing. A beer-like bottle on a table, that the President is standing at. That says nothing! to even waste energy trying to imply something is pathetic. desperate nutso land.to even think that photo deserved comment is nutty! roderick thats nutty land!to imply that it has to be doctored or agre with your view- NUTTY! NUTSO! Kosnuts!
sb
whatever. i am sick of you clintonites acting like he cant be brought up. he was the freakin president, he absolutely can be brought up. especially if it shows hypocrisy on how his supporters respond. wrong, clinton sure did wear his religion on hi sleave, like most american presidents do. he was seen with his bible, his public meeting with Billy graham, his use of Bible passages during the campaign to show he was a good southern who had faith. he sure did. he also ran on a moral agenda, where he promised to have the most ethical administration ever, and attacked Bush 41 for indictment of people around him. clinton sure did make those things an issue. now you know what true people of faith think, huh? lol. OK! cursing is way different than using God's name in vain.
pointing out that i remember clinton grabbing a staffer by the collar, pulling them and cursing "motherf-----" is not trying to evade the issue. i didnt make a big deal about it then, i doubt that you did either. the point is, who is stupid enough to think that a President does not curse? Now if he cursed at somebody, like called markel a silly b--ch, thats different. But cut that sh-- out. please. get something to really talk about. so you are the one being inconsistent, being silly, not me.
JC
that was HILARIOUS!!!! lmao!
sb
he cursed and it sounded natural. gasp! really? you think. you think an ol boy from texas actually uses curse words sometimes? naw, never. again, its you wacky leftists thta have some made up view of Bush, not his supporters.
Soulbrother & Mark
You're both hypocrites and no, Bush should not attend no matter how much the NAACP begs him to.
We conservatives bring up Clinton to point out the blatant hypocrisy you guys have when you come here to bash Bush. You guys cried like little girls when Clinton, out of his own volition, got impeached for lying under oath (not "alleged", just read The Starr Report). Clinton lied, he cheated on his wife, he ignored both Rwandaa and Iraq and yet, you insane liberals still thinking that your white counterparts will save the Black people, acted like nothing happened and blamed it all on Karl Rove.
Then too, you hold the leader (Julian Bond) of a supposedly historic organization to a lower standard a;; because he's not the President. So who cares if Julian Bond calls Bush a "terrorist" or likens Bush to Hitler and ridicules and insults him daily. As far as you mad liberals are concerned, Bush, the man y'all hate with so much passion, should be the "better man" and attend their conference anyway. No, not unless the new leadership of the NAACP apologizes for Bond's behavior. Remember, Bush doesnt need the NAACP, they need him so they can just exploit his appearance for their own gain as well as to hurl more lies and hate at him. If you knew someone was just going to use you, why would you appear before their group? You hypocrites.
JC
Great comment!!! LMAO!!!
Is the NAACP really law abiding? Apparently (obviously to any reasonably objective person)they have used their funds in a partisan political way, expressly forbidden by the law as a not for profit.
JC may not be far off of the mark. I think Bush is going to do a verbal pimp smack of the NAACP.
Okay, Bardo, throw the bums in jail.
"We conservatives bring up Clinton to point out the blatant hypocrisy you guys have when you come here to bash Bush. You guys cried like little girls when Clinton, out of his own volition, got impeached for lying under oath (not "alleged", just read The Starr Report). Clinton lied, he cheated on his wife, he ignored both Rwandaa and Iraq and yet, you insane liberals still thinking that your white counterparts will save the Black people, acted like nothing happened and blamed it all on Karl Rove".
The issue was GWB and cussing. Instead, you decided to threadjack and talk about Clinton. Excuse me, you and sm decided to threadjack and talk aboiut Clinton. So, I will state this a SECOND time. Either defend his use of profanity as a Christian (who "regularly talks to God") if you can't drop it you have no point. We aren't in grade school. Talking about what 'Billy' did doesn't excuse anyone elses behavior.
sb,
That's Pat Robinson who regularly talks to God.
JC,
That was funny as hell...that's one cuss-word that's biblically allowed. 
Plenty of people say they do. And their actions show it was Lucifer not God they were talking too.
Soulbrother
I dont need to defend Bush because there's nothing to defend. I'm sure you would love to impeach Bush for using a cuss word, but guess what? It aint gonna happen. I've heard plenty of Christians use a curse word or two and no one condemned them. Why? Because at the end of the day we're all human, we get passionate from time to time and sometimes in the heat of trying to make a point we make a skip of the tongue. Do you understand that it's only your liberal kinfolks that are making a big deal out of this? Do you not understand that there are more important things going on in the world to be upset about? Do you understand that there will be no apology and Congress will not be meeting to discuss legislation that will force Bush to wear tape on his mouth? Of course not. Because you're just another Bush-hater too filled with contempt for Bush to see the big picture. Now get over it and accept the fact that he still has 2 more years left to continue putting a smackdown on the liberal agenda.
Bush did go to the National Urban League dinners and spoke at those meetings. He didn't go to the meetings because there was no political reasoning for it.
What does Bush gain for going or not going ?
There is a great opportunity for the NAACP. If they villify him, he won't go again. If the NAACP gives him some approval and they come to a common ground, then real progress will be accomplished.
Right now, blacks are ignored by the democrats and ignored by the republicans. Because blacks are voting blindly for the democrats. Only the people and party that can go either way has any political power in America.
Ask yourself this ? Will Bush go to the hispanic organizations to get the hispanic vote ? He did speak spanish during his campaigns to garner hispanic votes. The NAACP has an opportunity that they can waste or use to their advantage.
We will see.
What don't you seem to get? George W. Bush offers nothing to the concerns of Black America and so the NAACP won't be getting jack from his presence. His policies have limited benifit to our community and our concerns.
And blacks haven't been ignored by the Democratic party, look precisely at the support of the Party for the Voting Rights Act. The entire party supported that initiative while Republicans swayed in the wind. The Democratic party may not a party that always serves the best interest of Black America, but to act as though there is no difference between the two parties is just plain ignorant.
And forget the blame for what has already happened in New Orleans over Katrina, just sit back and watch as fat cat (white) loyalists of the Republican party get rich off of Katrina dollars while the rest of the city suffers. That's status quo for the Republican party.
i would like to see Bush go and be a little confrontational. not rude, but definitely make some clear cut statements, ask some clear questions. put it on the table. say "most african americans support school vouchers- so do i!" Let them know, "i am not everybody else, you can stay in the past, trying to put the blame for the past on me - but that solves nothing. Come to me with solutions, answers. work with me." what does he have to lose, they aint gonna vote for him, no matter how nice he acts.
sb
join planet earth. merely mentioning clintons name is not making him the issue! your question was answered - you are the one either too dense to understand or too dishonest to admit it. There is nothing to defend regarding Bush's comments. Hello! how many times do i have to say it?
like i said. its one thing to call a leader a curse word (e.g. that MF! that Bi---.) thats different. But saying the word "s___t" in the context he used it, NO BIG DEAL! besides show me the Biblical text that says cursing is a sin?? (didnt think so!)
i dunno, aint bombing civilians legitimately "s___t".
d-,money
wow. talk about being owned by a party. the republicans swayed in the wind. LOL. a FEW republicans had questions. seriously now you want to credit dems with passing the Voting rights act? seriously, it was never in question. thats definitely setting the standard low. considering Bush was verbally supoortive of the act from day one. (ignore that fact)
i keep hearign you leftist make your claim of policies. well name them. show me the policies so adverse to african americans. show me! i will offer this challenge again, show me the policy differences between Clinton and Bush, especially regarding blacks! show me! its so great, this should be easy. yet allwe get from you guys is vague and contradictory comments.
hello, the folks handling the money in NO are DEMOCRATS! the people who let that city fal apart year after year- was DEMOCRATS! no wander you have no problems with dems, your standards for them are so low. LOL.
Tone down the S-word
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He spoke at Bob Jones U., now he speaks at the NAACP and is now even -- he has spoken to questionable characters on both sides!
here is an article from Slate.com.
(guess what SB1, they mention Clinton. i guess they are clinton haters too. they merely say what i said. clinton had a reputation for cursing.)
http://www.slate.com/id/2145998/
Good S___t: why Bush should swear more
"In the overplayed sentence, Bush expressed sentiments that seem incontrovertibly true. Hezbollah is up to some s__t. Syria, which equips Hezbollah and was involved in the assassination of Lebanon's former prime minister, does need to stop that s__t*. Whether Israel would really end its s__t if Hezbollah halts its shit is a matter open to debate, but presumably as Israel's closest ally, Bush is in a good position to guess Israel's response."
"In the history of presidential potty mouths, Bush is a piker. The office of the presidency has a long and storied history of coarse talk. Clinton seemed to make it three-dimensional. Presidents Johnson and Nixon were expletive virtuosos. President Bush would have to stop riding the mountain bike and devote his time to competitive swearing to match their proficiency."
No cussin'
i would like to see Bush go and be a little confrontational. not rude, but definitely make some clear cut statements, ask some clear questions.
He has nothing to gain by being confrontational, and the republicans have a lot to lose.
My guess is that he will reflect on the past victories of the NAACP and somehow equate them to contemporary issues, such as educational achievement and the spread of democracy around the world. I'll be surprised if he takes questions in an open mike format, but will accept screened questioned from a moderator.
bb
i think he does have some to gain by being confrontational. i think he can show the divide between the liberal black elite in the NAACP and the common black person. Black people will talk about it in the barber shops and churches. They will say " i dont like Bush, but he was right about so and so.." (like the value of the unborn life, gay marriage, etc.) It all depends on how he did it, and exactly how clear his message would be. It also would depend on him being upfront about the war, that people may disgaree. I woudl also put otu the info and destroy the myth that african americans are dying at a higher rate.
it would also give his base something to cheer about. And the news something to talk about other than Iraq for at least a week.
Mr. Grey Ghost and sm
sm in regards to your question. I can see that among MANY things the bible is something you know nothing about as well.
James 3:9-12
"9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt[a] water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
Ephesians 4:29
"29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen".
1 Peter 3:10
"For, Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech."
Mr. Grey Ghost. If you have a problem with it being a big deal, take it up with the Almighty not liberals.
I wait with great anticipation to read your non-biblical responses. LOL!!!
I think the posts by black conservatives on this thread have shown how unserious conservatives in general and black conservatives in particular are about garnering more of the black vote.
Instead of trying to convince blacks that Republican policies are better for us than Democratic policies they rather deride African American voters as mentally deficient for overwhelmingly supporting liberal policies.
Freaking A! He will cuss. What's it to you?
SoulBrother#1: I wait with great anticipation to read your non-biblical responses. LOL!!!
SB#1, GG is a partisan hypocrite from the word go.
It's interesting that he said that it's ok for Christians to cuss when they get passionate yet rather than discuss his policy differences with liberals he just takes out his hammer and bashes.
But you shouldn't expect anything more from someone who drops by liberal blogs and bashes the comments of the blog's host.
sb and roderick
sometimes when ignorance is so prevalent, only silence and shame can be the response. to even use that scripture, is the epitome of improperly qupting scripture. but hey, anything for a partisan attack. what you two fail to get, we are not Bush's Pastor. we are not his church. we did not vote for him because he was some perfect Christian. every recent president has claimed ot be a born again Christian- yes, including Clitnon. when he duid what he did, the Bible was not my complaint.
sb you are misquoting the Bible and showing a ueg amount of ignorance. the first thing you are showing is that you have no clue how to read and interpeet the Bible. to assume that the word curse menas the same thing in that text as it does when using the word "s___t" is just really bad theology. Since i do have a theology degree, i might know a little something about proper interpretation, not just picking and matching words. and the one test talks about evil, "s__t" is not evil! you fail to see that you are reading into the text meaning like all the others you criritcize. is "hell" a curse word? "damn"? get a grip.
what you dont get is that your entire attack on Bush is irrelevant. if you are a Christian and offended, then you should be sending a message to the White House not to us. Thats how the Bible says handle it. Oh, i get it, you only want to misuse the Bible to make a partisan political attack.
get a grip! all the arguments you guys have made that i have had issues with, this is the worst one ever. tis is just amazing to sit here and watch you two make the silliest arguements. your arguments are based on yoru own stereotypes and not facts. I dont have a responsibility to hold bush accountable for his faith. i wouldnt even try, thats not my place. I am not a Christain, so why should that be my issue?? what part of that dont you get? this is the stupidest anti Bush thread ever by you teo. again, if you want to be consistent then condemn all the christian presidents for cursing. (no, we dont want to mention them! we want to be hypocrits! doesnt the Bible say something about that? lol)
No cussin' on the blog, please
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back to the real issue at hand:
bb
i think he does have some to gain by being confrontational. i think he can show the divide between the liberal black elite in the NAACP and the common black person. Black people will talk about it in the barber shops and churches. They will say " i dont like Bush, but he was right about so and so.." (like the value of the unborn life, gay marriage, etc.) It all depends on how he did it, and exactly how clear his message would be. It also would depend on him being upfront about the war, that people may disgaree. I woudl also put otu the info and destroy the myth that african americans are dying at a higher rate.
it would also give his base something to cheer about. And the news something to talk about other than Iraq for at least a week.
sm: i think he does have some to gain by being confrontational. i think he can show the divide between the liberal black elite in the NAACP and the common black person. Black people will talk about it in the barber shops and churches. They will say " i dont like Bush, but he was right about so and so.." (like the value of the unborn life, gay marriage, etc.)
Keep living in your fantasy land, sm. Abortion and gay marriage may be issues for 'some' blacks but they don't rank higher than kitchen table issues and that is why the GOP will never get more than 10% of the African American vote.
Roderick
You are sooo right my friend.
sm
You have a theology degree? Too bad you didn't learn anything.
First, I didn't start the thread about him cursing. So, if you have a problem with someone commenting about it talk to the originator of the topic on this site.
Second, I wasn't misquoting anything. "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen". So, tell me what was
"wholesome" about the word Bush used?
As a matter of fact, enlighten me on
how any 4 letter word is "wholesome".
Finally, the point is, Bush should be accountable. Do Christian curse? Sure. And any true Christian knows it's WRONG!!! And that's the point. Has he demonstrated that understanding? NO!!! And I can't look
to his Church because he doesn't have a church home. So, I'm looking to the man to see what he does. And while I comment on it, I get two partisan hacks like you and MR. G bringing up Bill Clinton or telling me cursing isn't in the bible and finally take it up with the White House if I don't like it. You need to get a grip.
sb
you just dont get it. you are doing what many people do, they read into scripture what they assume it means. exactly what is wholesome? do you have an objective definition fo wholesome as used by THAT biblical writer? NO! you are blinded by your own limited biased view of scripture. so when you learn hermeneutics and learn some koine greek, then come tell me how to properly interpret scripture.
sure, you could assume that wholesome forbids any type of offensive comment. But it is just that an assumption.
OK!again, if you read the article i linked to , you will see this is seen as a rarity for Bush. that he has a reputation as one how does not curse. so whats your point? thats between him and God. what, i am suppose to condemn him to hell because he said "shit". get a grip on reality.
you are reading your own views into it. thats what you dont get. besides, its still irrelevant.
bush does have a church home, what are you talking about? the Bible says to go to the person who offends you. you are not doing that, you are a sinner!
what do you want!??????? people to declare Bush is a sinner? what??? your comments only show a personal hoistility, which aint too christ-like.
seriously, what is your issue? that christians should be condemning Bush more? what??? how do you hold him accountable for ONE curse word? explain that to me? what should be done that isnt being done?
cut this silly sh-- out! you honestly tell me you condemned clinton when he cursed, then i will listen. for the last time it isnt about clinton, its about YOUR reaction to clinton compred to YOUR reaction to Bush. so stop trying to hide behind claiming people are attacking clitnon. we clearly are not attacking clitnon since we dont think its wrong! your hypocrisy is the issue. BUT i know you didnt, because you dont even remember it. clinton claimed to be born again too. thats not about clinton, its about your hypocrisy.
i am through with this topic, seriously. this is too much energy wasted on some iof the stupidest bulls--- comment si have ever heard on here. this is the lowest point you have ever gone to. just flat out ignorant and stupid bdumb BS. i have no respect for a hypocritical partisan. at least i am consistent.
my last word. Not ONE of my democratic liberal preacher friends, and christian friends have made this an issue. not one, and they cant stand Bush. that how far out of wack you are. too much time at DU and kos does that to you. wacky, wacky wacky.
Soulbrother
I'm no longer going to debate you on this because it's your obvious hatred for Bush that keeps pushing you to make a big deal out of him using a cuss word. No one said he was wrong or right to say it or that cussing is "wholesome", we noted that he's human just like the rest of us and he has nothing to apologize about.
What's funny is that you and your liberal pals have the nerve to label us Black conservatives as partisan, when you yourself couldnt say a good thing about Bush if your life depended on it. All the while your "friend" Roderick not only bashes Bush and insults conservatives any chance he gets, but has the nerve to use links from the Daily Kos of all places. So dont you think that before you go around calling people "partisan" that you should look in the mirror first? Once again your hypocrisy speaks volumes.
Mr. Grey Ghost: I'm no longer going to debate you on this because it's your obvious hatred for Bush that keeps pushing you to make a big deal out of him using a cuss word.
Roderick: First off Bush set himself on this high pedestal when he claimed he was going to restore honor and dignity back to the White House. My that seems like a couple of thousands lies ago.
I guess you all forgot and forgave when Bush called that reporter an a**hole during the Fall of 2000 when he thought the mic was off.
GG: No one said he was wrong or right to say it or that cussing is "wholesome", we noted that he's human just like the rest of us and he has nothing to apologize about.
Roderick: No you couldn't do the right thing then you and your ilk had to bring up CLINTON for the thousandth time to defend Bush.
It's funny how the right brought up stuff from Clinton days as governor but that was all good.
Mr. Grey Ghost: All the while your "friend" Roderick not only bashes Bush and insults conservatives any chance he gets, but has the nerve to use links from the Daily Kos of all places.
Go ahead and try to minimize the message by focusing on the messenger.
If you want to say what I'm saying isn't true the go ahead but you can't so you try to degrade the source.
BTW where do you get the posts you post on your blogs? Newsmax or is it some special Republican news service that work for?
Mr. Grey Ghost: So dont you think that before you go around calling people "partisan" that you should look in the mirror first? Once again your hypocrisy speaks volumes.
I call you partisan for your Christians sometimes curse when they get passionate. LOL
Yep, let ye who is without sin cast the first stone but you love casting stones when people don't agree with your ideology.
Calling people Godless (I guess you riffed that from Coulter's lastest book title) because they disagreed with a tacky version of the Statue of Liberty. That was childish and pathetic and your 'reasoning' for that statement ranged on the level of a third-grader.
Roderick
You are so on point.."First off Bush set himself on this high pedestal when he claimed he was going to restore honor and dignity back to the White House. My that seems like a couple of thousands lies ago".
These neo-cons make every excuse in the world for this man. As you stated, he put himself on the pedestal and put his religion on his sleeve.
sm
The only people that started a thread about Clinton was you and Mr. Grey Ghost. My comments were about Bush until you to highjacked the thread.
BTW, as far as cursing being no big deal. I await with great anticipation to see Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, TD Jakes, James Dobson,etc. curse while they passionately speak about religion. It's no big deal. We all know Christian do it. And according to you nothings wrong with it. So, why not have Christian leaders start using 4 letter words, eh?
Roderick
Guess I shouldnt be surprised that you continue to direct comments at me even when I've been ignoring you all this time, But I figure that since you've posted 100 or so comments about/towards me on here and Cynthia's blog and God knows where else, still read my blog every day and obviously still cant stand the fact that I banned you from my blog, I'll make your year and directly address this comment towards you: you're still nothing but a fruitfly.
Either way, a fair-minded person looking from the outside in could make the argument that we're both partisan. So be it. But at least I'm not afraid to state where I stand and write about it. On the other hand you have no blog (and dont give us that BS about not having "time to blog" because you sure do have plenty of time to post all your wack comments), nor does anyone know what exactly you're political stance is (thats if you even have one). You offer no solutions or new ideas because all you do is bash conservatives, insult Republicans and the GOP and agree with any and every standpoint that goes hand-in-hand with the latest Leftist dogma. Thus, at the end of the day you're just a Stan and I'm your Eminem. I understand.
Soulbrother
Get over it and stop exploiting the Bible for your Bush-hate. Unlike Roderick I respect your opinions, but dont try to act like you're suddenly a Bible-thumper and please it's Shay's blog so let her decide who's threadjacking.
sb
no i will never forgive bush for saying a--hole and sh--. you happy?
you are clearly dense, nothign i said was about clinton. it was about YOU! you f--king moron. you! your hypocrisy. your lack of being honest, of being partisan. of suddenly finding curse words as being so bad. YOU!
wtf do you want us to do? curse Bush out? storm the white house? what?? answer that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Grey Ghost
"Get over it and stop exploiting the Bible for your Bush-hate. Unlike Roderick I respect your opinions, but dont try to act like you're suddenly a Bible-thumper and please it's Shay's blog so let her decide who's threadjacking".
I'm a Christian but I'm not a bible thumper. I simply made an observation and gave my opinion. And I gave verses in the bible which supported it as a Christian. You might feel it's not big deal. However, as a Christian I don't. And as someone who continuously listened to right-wing radio during the Clinton years, and all the talk of morality, what a President should or shouldn't do, how they should conduct themselves, etc. I'm bemused by all the excuse making coming from the same moralistic crowd because the current President has an 'R' by his name. sm makes the mistake of thinking I go to Daily Kos, etc. No, I've been there twice in my life. I've been to National Review, FrontPageMag, WorldNetDaily, JewishWorldReview,Ken Hamblins site, American Conservative Magazine,The Weekly Standard, etc. 2000x more. So, I've read and heard more anti-Clinton rhetoric than I'd care to remember. And the reasoning behind it. And I've had a chance to see that the very same people who said those things weren't being truthful about their own morality and ethics.
BTW, I respect your opinions as well. And have agreed with you from time to time. The last time being LaShawn Parker.
sm
"wtf do you want us to do? curse Bush out? storm the white house? what?? answer"
First, how about stopping the cursing yourself. Second, acknowledge it's wrong and in the bible saying so. Finally, quit talking about religion if you're not going to take it seriously. There's your answers.
sb
listen very carefully. I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!
How much f--king sense does it make to demand that i state its wrong according to the Bible! I dont even think the Bible is God's word, or infallible! HELLO! you are so stuck in your stereotyping of people, that you cant even see past your own preset labels.
But when i give you my theological view, you attack it.
"Finally, quit talking about religion if you're not going to take it seriously".
What part of that don't YOU understand? I'm fully aware you're not a believer. And the worst people to talk to about religion are humanists, Christian fundamentalists, and the non believer that thinks they know everything about the bible.
sb
dont seem like believers know too much about the Bible to me. i know more than 90% of believers and preachers. that is a fact.
Roderick
Guess I shouldnt be surprised that you continue to direct comments at me even when I've been ignoring you all this time, But I figure that since you've posted 100 or so comments about/towards me on here and Cynthia's blog and God knows where else, still read my blog every day and obviously still cant stand the fact that I banned you from my blog,
Roderick: First off don't flatter yourself. I haven't been the sad little corner of cyberspace that you call your blog since you banned me because you couldn't out-argue me.
Secondly I can comment on anyone's comments I want. I really don't understand why you visit Cynthia's blog any way since all you do is accuse her of Bush bashing. You never ever have any insight or counter-arguement for what she is stating you just call her names but I guess I shouldn't be surprised since Ann Coulter seems to be your mentor well at least you steal her book titles and claim them as your own.
GG: I'll make your year and directly address this comment towards you: you're still nothing but a fruitfly.
Roderick: Wow you could have kept that first-grade insult to yourself.
Either way, a fair-minded person looking from the outside in could make the argument that we're both partisan. So be it. But at least I'm not afraid to state where I stand and write about it. On the other hand you have no blog (and dont give us that BS about not having "time to blog" because you sure do have plenty of time to post all your wack comments),
Roderick: so one is not allowed to post on a blog unless one has a blog?
Wow you're very good at coming up with rules for others, aren't you?
Let me remind you a little rule you through out when you got frustrated with Stan a couple of weeks ago.
You inferred that since Bookrising is a blog for moderates and conservatives then only moderates and conservatives should be allowed to blog.
It would be nice if you followed your own rules and stopped blogging on Cynthia's blog since she sure as hell isn't a conservative by any means. From some of the comments she has made about your posts she thinks less of you than I do and that is quite difficult.
GG: nor does anyone know what exactly you're political stance is (thats if you even have one). You offer no solutions or new ideas because all you do is bash conservatives, insult Republicans and the GOP and agree with any and every standpoint that goes hand-in-hand with the latest Leftist dogma. Thus, at the end of the day you're just a Stan and I'm your Eminem. I understand.
Roderick: GG, you are projecting to the nth degree. First off I'm a social liberal and a fiscal moderate.
As for offering solutions instead of bashing maybe you should re-read some of your posts and consider all of the potshots you've taken at the Left. You blame the Left for all of societies ills (although like your mentor Coulter you never explain how the Left is responsible for said ills) and you praise Bush as the Second Coming yet you call yourself a conservative Democrats.
Why don't you and Lieberman join the Republican party since you dislike the Left which is the base of the Democratic party.
Roderick
1. If you havent visited my blog than how the hell would you know what I'm writing about?
2. I just think that its another example of how much of a fool you are when you criticize the popularity (or in my case, supposed non-popularity) of a person's blog when you yourself dont have the guts to start your own blog so we all could see how well you'd do. It also goes to show you how little you know about how blogs work when you judge people's blogs by how much comments they get. And of course if I was so desperate for comments I wouldnt have banned you from commenting, now would I?
3. You can comment on any blog you want (well, except mines since you're banned), it's well within your right. But guess what? so can I because it's well within my right. It's sad that you're still so upset at me banning you from my blog that you have to go around dissing me and begging other people to ban me from there's. I respect Cynthia's opinions, the majority of the time I just dont agree with them and vice versa. Instead of telling her what to do (all because I banned you from my blog) why dont you let her decide who she wants to comment on her blog.
4. I seriously doubt that you even know what a "fiscal moderate" or a "social liberal" is.
5. Joe Lieberman supports abortion, women's rights, civil unions for gays, stem cell research and gun control and you wanna make him out to be a Republican just because he supports the war in Iraq? That just goes to show you that you derive all your thoughts, opinions and rants from those idiots over there at the Daily Kos. Geez, Try thinking for yourself for once.
6. I'm your mentor.
7. You're still a fruitfly.
Roderick
GG: If you havent visited my blog than how the hell would you know what I'm writing about?
The last post I read from you was posted on Booker. Like I said don't flatter yourself. There are a lot of blogs out there besides yours where people can have intelligent conversations and disagree unlike your little hopeless site.
GG; . You can comment on any blog you want (well, except mines since you're banned), it's well within your right. But guess what? so can I because it's well within my right. It's sad that you're still so upset at me banning you from my blog that you have to go around dissing me and begging other people to ban me from there's. I respect Cynthia's opinions, the majority of the time I just dont agree with them and vice versa. Instead of telling her what to do (all because I banned you from my blog) why dont you let her decide who she wants to comment on her blog.
Roderick: Again you need to learn how to comprehend. I never said that Cynthia shouldn't allow you to comment on her blog I just called you out for the hypocrite that you are for suggesting that only moderates and conservatives should be able to comment on Booker while you be allowed to post wherever you want. Maybe you were trying to tell Shay how to run her business.
GG:I seriously doubt that you even know what a "fiscal moderate" or a "social liberal" is.
Roderick: and do you know what a conservative Democrat is? a DINO-
democrat in name only.
5. Joe Lieberman supports abortion, women's rights, civil unions for gays, stem cell research and gun control and you wanna make him out to be a Republican just because he supports the war in Iraq?
GG: Lieberman is a traitor.
1. Lieberman said he was ok with CT hospitals who refused to give rape victims the morning after pill if it violated the religious convictions of the hospital because there were plenty of hospitals in CT which would. Sad.
2. Lieberman bashed Democrats who criticized Bush on Iraq saying: "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril," Mr. Lieberman said.
So Bush's lies about why Iraq was a threat don't undermine his credibility? ROTFLMAO
Even Congressional Republicans know that Iraq is a mess and some of them don't even want Bush to campaign for them this year.
GG you and Lieberman must be smoking the same brand of wacky weed.
3. Lieberman along with Lynn Cheney formed a this organization called American Council of Trustees and Alumni which launched an agressive attack on freedom on America's college campuses. Its perpetrators seek the elimination of ideas and activities that place Sept. 11 in historical context, or critique the so-called war on terrorism.
The offensive, spearheaded by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, a Washington-based group, threatens free speech, democratic debate and the integrity of higher education. In an incendiary report, ``Defending Civilization: How Our Universities Are Failing America,'' the American Council claims that ``colleges and university faculty have been the weak link in America's response'' to Sept. 11. It also asserts that ``when a nation's intellectuals are unwilling to defend its civilization, they give comfort to its adversaries.''
4. Lieberman, with just three weeks left before the election, praised Bush strongly for his support of Israel, America’s lone democratic ally in the Mid-East.
"We are dealing with a president who's had a record of strong, consistent support for Israel. You can't say otherwise,” Lieberman told an audience of 600 near Delray Beach, Fla, the Palm Beach Post reported in editions Thursday
GG: I'm your mentor.
Contrary to your inflated sense of yourself you mean nothing to me. The only mentor is yours- Ann Coulter.
7. You're still a fruitfly.
Still resorting to first-grade taunts, are we? Please tell me how I'm a fruitfly?
That is you can stop bashing long enough to write a coherent sentence.
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