I agree with her.
it is a joke. and the insistence on following Kyotot and other "solutions' is a fraud.
even according to the Kyoto treaty, if every country met the goals; it would have the impact of slowing down warming by .126 degrees over a 50 year period.
thats it.
the problem i have is. If it is human caused, the debate does not end there. but notice, for most global warming alarmists, it does.
even f it is human caused, is there any evidence we can change it? NO!!
fact is. the warmer the planet has become, the more prosperous the human race has been. what we eed to do is invest in technologies for agriculture and other needs. That way when the earth warms, we will be able to adjust.
On any objective reading of the evidence at hand, the current increase in the global temperature is largely cause by human activities. Not necessarily 100%, of course, but substantially none the less. Those who insist otherwise are simply closing their eyes to the evidence.
That said, the other side of the debate is way more hysterical about the consequences than is probably warranted. Will the change in climate have an impact on ecologies around the world? No doubt. Will they be traumatic for some species? Sure. Will they be negative for some people (and nations) -- especially those living at or near sea level? Yup.
But while some species will suffer, others will likely florish in the expanded habitate available to them. Some countries will become more liveable as the temperature rises -- for example, Greenland may live up to its name, as it has not for 1000 years.
So it comes down to this: are the changes, on balance, both negative and large enough to justify massive efforts to change the way we do things? Answer: nobody really knows. Just too many unknowns on both sides to be certain.
Which is not to say that promoting more efficient use of resources is a bad thing. If we figure out how to travel twice as far on a gallon of gas, we would all be ahead even if there were no global warming. But that's not the same as saying we "must" make those changes because of global warming.
wj
thats the first rational viewpoint I have heard from someone who supports global warming.
I dont think many of the critics deny that human activity has a role. we just acknowledge that the role is probably small, and cannot be quantified. Methane is worse than carbon dioxide, and thats naturally produced.
personally, I see the hysteria as a panic by europeans and the countries that are now prospering. They fear losing their edge that was geography. But those countries are also the richest and can afford to make adjustments.
I also think they fear that without scaring people they will not want to conserve and protect the environment. which is untrue.
there are positives, some unknown.
Carbon dioxide is a naturally occurring gas as well. It's a product of respiration (inhale, exhale, there goes some CO2). Earth's climate has never been static. It is constantly changing and I wonder why the changes now are being attributed to human activity.
In any case, this is indeed a separate issue from human misbehaviour clearly mucking up ecosystems that were just fine before (i.e. oil spills, tossing stuff down the drain that has no business going in the sink, suburban sprawl, the idiots who burn down new housing developments because the houses are bad for the environment) and being just plain wasteful (i.e. those stupid little landscaping lights that are all the rage these days, acres of blazing lights in parking lots at night, cranking up the ac so much in the summer that people have to wear sweaters indoors when it's 75F outside).
There are all kinds of legitimate environmental problems for us to deal with but I don't think this is one of them.
(Within the limits of my income)I'm going to enjoy every creature comfort that flows from the use of energy.
In the age of teleconferences, evironentalist fly all over the world to talk to each other. I'll worry about the environement when private jets and other extravagances are banned.
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Lord help these fools to see the light!
Global warming is a fact, an undeniable fact, as recognized by every reputable scientist on the planet.
I could post about a thousand links that provide proof beyond any reasonable doubt, but it wouldn't matter to the morons posting their moronic comments here.
Shay knows better, I'm surprised at her for posting this drivel. But as many of us have suspected for some years, this site is nothing more than a propaganda tool for the Bush administration, an administration whose policy makers had aides rewrite their own scientists conclusions on global warming, before they were released for public consumption, an administration that has been exposed as charlatans who want to reshape the undeniable facts supporting global warming into an unproven theory in the hopes of placating their corporate masters. Much the way they would try to reshape the undeniable facts which support evolutionary biology, more lies from the people whose very political existence is predicated and entirely dependent on a tissue paper of lies. The same people who invade a sovereign country after undermining the Republic by lying to the people in order to get them to support an unjust quagmire of war were Americans are dying needlessly every day. The same people who let the little Black babies die in New Orleans while they figured out ways to best capitalize politically on the Katrina disaster. Sickening.
These traitors to the Republic, to the people of America and to all humanity would manufacture a biblical Apocalypse for no more reason than to line their pockets with gold, and then hold up a Bible and tell us we had it coming.
Sean , you're a joke, everyone who's been coming to this site for more than a month knows you for what you are, if you were just a little bit dumber, maybe you could work for the Bush administration.
Samantha , try picking up a book and reading it, instead of swallowing the propaganda from the people who are using you to propagate lies and deceive the ignorant.
I suggest you all watch Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth, and see if you can refute just one of the facts presented their, just one. But I imagine you're afraid to even watch, because it might make you face the reality that every other thinking person on the planet is being forced to face.
http://www.climatecrisis.net/
Or try reading the thousands of peer-reviewed scientific papers which all come to the same conclusion that the disasters warming of the planet is the direct result of human folly and greed.
It's a fact folks, accept it.
Or reject it at your peril, and the peril of your children, and your children's children who will have to live in the world you leave them.
Aaron the dispute is over anthropogenic global warming. Do you know what that means? It is the claim that human beings are the cause of changes in the earth's climate. The evidence does not support this claim. The evidence does show that the earth's climate has gone through changes similar to what we are experiencing now in the past.
"Or try reading the thousands of peer-reviewed scientific papers which all come to the same conclusion that the disasters warming of the planet is the direct result of human folly and greed."
What am I to think of this when you say it right after admonishing us all to watch Al Gore's silly movie? And no I will not watch it. My time and yours would be better spent reading a geology text book. You'd learn a hell of a lot more. In fact, I challenge you to drag yourself away from worshiping at the throne of Gore and go read up a little on earth geology. You won't even have to step away from the computer. Google is your friend. And when you're done with that, just for kicks, I suggest you compare earth's climate and geology with that of our closest neighbours in the solar system.
If anthropogenic global warming really was a fact there would be no need for a consensus on it. There is no consensus on the earth being round. It simply is and that fact has been verified over and over again by observation and experimentation. There is no consensus that gravity exists. We may not understand why it works but we know it exists. The fact of its existence has been verified by observation and experimentation. There is no consensus that iron is necessary for the formation of hemoglobin. It simply is and that fact has been verified by observation and experimentation.
I could go on and on but the simple fact is that anthropogenic global warming has yet to be verified by observation or repeated experimentation. I am of the opinion, based on the facts of earth's geological and climate history, that the global warming we are currently experiencing is a naturally occurring phenomenon beyond human control. It has happened before and it will happen again, no matter what Al Gore or the UN says.
Wow Aaron. Not only do you deride all of those who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming as "fools" and "morons", you also manage to claim that Saddam was "sovereign", that the war is against the dictator's regime was "unjust", and that the response after Katrina was racist.
Not only are you a bit paranoid and filled with delusions of grandeur, but pathetically off topic to boot.
You're right about one thing though - the globe is warming. We probably don't have anything to do with it.
Call it crazy - but it is probably the warming sun.
The joke here is you Aaron.
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