I do think that the church is getting a bad rap from the media, and I am willing to bet that Wright didn’t always preach like that. I also think that Wright was wrong for using the Condaskeeza (If that’s how you want to spell it) remark. For some reason that is not getting an airplay in the media.
But Obama has made his campaign about hope, words and judgment. He DID say that words and matter, but I haven’t heard much of that lately.
Another thing that I've heard on both "The O'Reilly Factor" and on Rush Limbaugh's radio show is about Wright's million-dollar house in the very-very-white suburb of Tinley Park (which is true), being funded by "poor people who go to Trinity" (untrue).
It is true that church members are funding the house. However, anyone who has actually been to the church knows this fact: the church is located in a black working-class neighborhood, but the majority of its congregants are solidly middle class. Quite a few are upper middle class and a few even rich.
There's even a running joke in Chicago (long before all of the controversy with the church) that if the church got bombed, it would virtually eliminate Chicago's buppie population.
"However, critics of Rev. Wright who have never set foot in Trinity United Church of Christ here in Chicago are wrong that Rev. Wright "always" preaches politics in the pulpit."
Amen. One can't assume Wright preaches like that every time he is at church. Maybe, that is why Huckabee somewhat defended Obama, saying that might not be what most of his sermons are like, and just maybe Obama like so many people who go to church slept through church mentally or did not really pay attention (something that goes on in every church).
Where Wright is wrong, he needs to be challenged and called on, especially now that his words are dividing the nation.
But still wrong and unfair to accuse him of preaching same way every Sunday. If he did that, I imagine even the most extremist will eventually tune him out, since no one wants to hear the same thing EVERY SERMON.
I do find Wright to be s/what buffoonish. I thought some of his statements were over the line. Strangely, I think his arrogance helps Obama separate himself from Wright's whacky statements.
The guys is loving this attention, but he needs to go away as far as I'm concerned. He reinforces my belief that he is outdated.
"Strangely, I think his arrogance helps Obama separate himself from Wright's whacky statements."
Yes.
There is clearly no coordination between them, which undermines the guilt by association thing.
"I also think that Wright was wrong for using the Condaskeeza (If that’s how you want to spell it) remark. For some reason that is not getting an airplay in the media. "
Maybe because the media don't really want to show how offensive Wright can be to women and blacks (and from what I know, even some liberal ones would be offended by that attack on a black lady regardless of her views)?
tvd,
Wright made some damning comments about Obama and him, though.
I think Wright was wrong there. What is private between them STAYS PRIVATE.
In this case, I don't care about guilt by association. This is more like a friend stabbing a friend in the back.
Wright is quickly showing the entire country that his loyalties are to self, not to the Lord or to humanity.
His aggressive back stabbing of Obama proves this, and the fact that he is trying to conjure up images that ALL BLACK CHURCHES are outspoken political stages is insulting to the millions of good, black American churches out there that are dedicated to the Gospel.
He needs to just disappear....he is KILLING Obama!!!!!!
There is clearly no coordination between them, which undermines the guilt by association thing.
tvd | 04.29.08 - 11:09 am | #
That's why Wright speaking now is a good thing. The right-wing hypocrites would have us believe Obama is under his spell as Wright mentioned.."voodoo".
If you say it oft' enough, it becomes true:
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... Regarding the state of Israel, I said in 1984, "Israel has not had any peace in 40 years and she will never have any peace for there can be no peace structured on lying, murder, and injustice, using the name of Allah (God) as a shield for your dirty religion."
Countless times over the years I have explained that I never referred to Judaism as a dirty religion, but, clearly referred to the machinations of those who hide behind the shield of Judaism while using unjust political means to achieve their objectives. ...
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shay, where doth thou be getting these Raphique type Negroes from?
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Wright represents the black church like John Rocker represented Major League Baseball.
It is problematic for Obama to have Wright on the rehab tour though. He was there for over 20 years and said he was his mentor, etc.
He may have more problems with Sharpton though http://www.nypost.com/seven/
0429...bama_108577.htm
Is dissecting every word of Jeremiah Wright, what 21st century journalism has come to?
rev. wright is a typical demagogue. he lives in a million dollar home while the poor blacks in chicago live in rat and crime infested housing projects. i would respect him if he lived among them. this n___r is a joke. even though, i'm not voting for obama, i feel sorry for him. obama should've known that when you surround yourself with a snake...it will eventually bite you!
rev. wright is a judas and a disgrace.
again, it is astonishing that we as race have gone from dr. king to slick hair al sharpton, race hustling jesse jackson and a hatemonger like rev wright.
i never believed that obama would be elected. i thought that it would be close but he would have a viable political future. rev. wright has not only guaranteed john mccain's winning in a landslide. he's also damaged obama's political future forever.
he's selfish and he has betrayed his friend for 15 minutes of fame!
Watch the language, Queen. I also deleted your potentially libelous comments about Sen. Obama.
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.."it is astonishing that we as race have gone from dr. king to slick hair al sharpton, race hustling jesse jackson and a hatemonger like rev wright".
It's even more astonishing that you typed those words as if they ring true.
The arguments that I see on this thread are that Wright does not represent the "black church". Yet, he Jesse and Al represent the black church when you want to condemn us as a race.
queen
Have you thought about joining Hagee's church?
SB#1 I think queen needs to ask her other personality 'Linda' about that before she comes to a decision.
Maybe they will let them out of the home to go church but I am not hopeful.
roderick,
you are a freakin genius!
What did we tell ya?
Obama was flying too high and now he has to be put in his place.
It happens to all black men when they get too big and frighten the status quo.
They did it to MLK with the motel sex tapes and the claims of communist ties.
Then of course they killed him.
They did it Jesse by hanging Farrakhan around his neck like an albatross.
Now they're using Jeremiah Wright who HASN'T SAID ONE THING THAT ISN'T THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH to bring down Barack Obama.
The perversity of the whole thing is that you have these grinnin', head scratchin' black righties gleefully joining in the lynching.
When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.
There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
MLK, Jr.
What did he say? He called the words of the Declaration "magnificent." He didn't say the founding documents were invalid because they counted us as 3/5 human.
What did he ask for? Citizenship rights. We have those. Did he ask for welfare, universal health insurance, increased taxes a larger welfare state?
Did he use tactics that called America evil or call for bitterness or anger or divisiveness? To the contrary.
He then invoked the founding documents as something to be aspired to and admired.
This was taken from 1 ten minute speech.
How far have we strayed?
I'm gonna start calling uptown "Undercover" for his dead-on imitation of Dave Chappelle in Undercover Brother.......
His take on life in America is the exact same as Conspiracy Brother in that movie.
The only thing missing is his extreme dislike of mayo and fried chicken references!!!
Bardo.....
GREAT POST!!!!!!
Wright ain't no MLK....that is for sure,
SB#1 I think queen needs to ask her other personality 'Linda' about that before she comes to a decision.
Maybe they will let them out of the home to go church but I am not hopeful.
Roderick | 04.29.08 - 12:26 pm | #
LOL!!!
Sounds like he's trying to use that "it's a black thing" defense but most of the black people I've talked are not interested.
"A nation that has done something special AGAINST the Negro for two hundred years must now do something special FOR the Negro."
MLK Jr.
here we go beat up our egotist pookie, fill some space. one report said like DH, let him do it now, so by Oct, he will be passe'
jd,
I also like to use this when people compare Obama's oratory to King. Just the prose of what he wrote, the references he used and the relevance of his construct make Obama look like an unpolished high schooler by comparison. I won't even go into delivery!
The hype is over his ascension to a place where no one that looks like us has gone before, but we're living in an unusual time. We have 3 legislators running, all Senators and no conservatives. No one with executive experience and the Democrat frontrunner with very little national exposure, Carter without executive experience. It is historic on so many fronts. But we need to be level headed as we contemplate our choices.
do you need a job roderick? i need someone to clean my floors....
creole & proud!
"A nation that has done something special AGAINST the Negro for two hundred years must now do something special FOR the Negro."
Hardly what Wright rants about from time to time.......
Never heard GD America from the the mouth of the great Dr. King. He actually loved most of what this country stood for, and understood that blacks, if given the opportunity afforded to them by the Constitution, could also come to feel as an important, productive, contributing group to this country.
Wright just wants to damn all white folks and ignore the great opportunity that is available to all black folks today. Meanwhile, he takes money from his middle class church members and moves out to the lilly white suburbs, the very same people that he thinks wants to still hang him and burn black babies on a spit!!!!!
He is a contridicting joke of a preacher and he is interested more in his 15 minutes right now than in acknowledging the greatness of our people in the here and now.....jsut always negatives.
Yeah, Bardo.
Slime Obama by negatively comparing him to King while preparing to pull the lever for somebody who didn't support the King Holiday?
Reminds me of when the baseball establishment trotted out Hank Aaron as an example of how a Negro should act as Barry Bonds got closer to the all-time home run mark..
Conveintly forgetting that Aaron received knapsacks full of hate mail from patriotic white Americans daily when he was approaching Babe Ruth's record.
Bardo,
You stated the real issues of this election to perfection. Three Carter's without executive experience spells trouble for our nation. THat is the real issue. As many people look to race as being an end all issue in 2008, I see the rotting nature of the Federal government to be of a much higher concern than the question of Obama being electable among white folks.
The next four years will be very long and we run the risk of losing the true direction that the founders of this nation envisioned for us.
"Reminds me of when the baseball establishment trotted out Hank Aaron as an example of how a Negro should act as Barry Bonds got closer to the all-time home run mark.."
LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While Undercover may not care that children who look up to Bonds are looking up to a steroid driven freak, Aaron sure did. Aaron is ALL CLASS, and Barry deserves whatever he has coming to him for his deceit.
Selig was begging Aaron to be in San Fran for that record breaking homerun...
The class act that Aaron is declined that offer and reluctently agreed to provide that video congrats. MLB does not control Aaron...never has, never will. His ripping into Bonds was all on his own, and totally to be expected considering that Aaron was threatened and treated like crap as he acted like the true professional that he has always been. Bonds is garbage and an utter disappointment as a human being. He deserved the wrath of Aaron, I expected nothing less from him in that regard.
Where you come up with your crap Undercover is beyond me.....
I’m troubled with Pastor Wright being an issue to begin with. In the first time in our history, a Presidential candidate is taken to task and having to answer for what their pastor has said. More importantly, for what their pastor said on day(s) they were not in attendance at the church.
The racial angle that’s being exploited by white conservatives and the media at large is sickening.
We’ve had Presidential candidates within the last decade who’ve made speeches at institutions that banned interracial dating. We’ve had right-wing political pundits and candidates who stood in support of a treasonous, traitorous, rebel flag. These same individuals cry out about a lack of patriotism demonstrated by Obama. Or they say Wright hates America by saying “God Damn America”. However, white conservative understanding of white southerners need to affectionately fly a treasonous flag NEVER brings the same amount of scrutiny regarding patriotism to GOP candidates or white, Christian conservatives.
We can have discussions about Obama and his relationship with a former Weather Underground member. Yet, the GOP candidates actively court white radicals who want a Confederate States of America. This is done without any outrage.
Why? At the end of the day the reason why any of this is an issue is because Obama is African –American, Wright is black and the GOP faithful want to scare white folks so Barry won’t win.
I wonder if all of this Wright craziness would have resolved itself a long time ago if the press would have been more objective in their reporting of Senator Obama from the beginning.
The media allowed itself to get so wrapped up in the historical context of this candidacy that they have actually impeded the senator's run. We can only sit tight and see what history holds, but the media that chose to shield their candidate of choice, have only made his load heavier.
I wonder if all of this Wright craziness would have resolved itself a long time ago if the press would have been more objective in their reporting of Senator Obama from the beginning.
They've more than compensated for any real or perceived lack of objectivity. Matter of fact, they've outdone themselves. Their reporting and attributing guilt by association with a pastor is historic and without question a first in modern day politics.
In 1934 the Federal Register (every law on the federal books, ever single one) was 2,735 pages. That year, Roosevelt's Economic Recovery Agency added 10,000 pages. So what's up with the trivia Bardo and who cares?
We add 800,000 liberty eroding pages each and every year to the Federal Register and no one knows what's in it. Christopher DeMuth wrote a lengthy article 2 years ago for the American Enterprise Institute about the threat of overregulation and out of control governance. It scared the hell out of me.
We are losing the very thing that made us the greatest nation on earth. Ours is the only country in the world established and founded on the principle of liberty! I hear the nay sayers, unless you were a land owner and a white male, it didn't apply. Take a look again at what Dr. King wrote and said up thread. Magnificent!
The left, and sadly jd, you're right, we only have the left to choose from this time, wants to subvert more of your freedom to bring it under the control of a tyrannical central authority. Universal health insurance, the demonization of corporations, especially oil and pharma. But the real threat is government, especially the federal government. Look at what's happening to food and oil prices, almost entirely because of governmental interference in the markets. We must stop the madness before we no longer have the ability to communicate in forums like this.
i'm not voting for obama but darn he's good looking...
"Why? At the end of the day the reason why any of this is an issue is because Obama is African –American, Wright is black and the GOP faithful want to scare white folks so Barry won’t win."
While I think some of that is true SB, I really think that a lot of citizens are very turned-off by such radical language, especially when it is repeated all day every day in little sound bites.
As much as I am floored by how much hate was manifested in Wright's words, he is not enough of a reason for me to not vote for Obama should the proper circumstances present themselves.
American's with pride in their country had every reason to be offended by the words of a man who seems to be living at a pretty high level because of the opportunities that this GD country has given him.
It would be like me giving you a gold bar, and shortly after that you are damning me for that gold bar. It just does not jive well for anyone who appreciates the many blessing that this country affords all of us if we work hard and remained focused on our goals.
"Look at what's happening to food and oil prices, almost entirely because of governmental interference in the markets."
What utter h___t.
"Ours is the only country in the world established and founded on the principle of liberty!"
That countenanced slavery and apartheid for 75% of it's existence.
watch the language, Steve
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"Yet, he Jesse and Al represent the black church when you want to condemn us as a race."
I have also seen white conservatives say that they don't believe those speak for blacks as a race. Like on fox is that Wright and his followers are not of the black church mentality but more of the far left mentality, that includes black and white alike.
"Their reporting and attributing guilt by association with a pastor is historic and without question a first in modern day politics."
You forgot that the liberal media use guilt by association on Christian conservatives with Falwell as if he speaks for all of us, long past when we got tired of him.
Hagee is considered a heretic by many in Christian conservative circles (me included).
[quote]There's even a running joke in Chicago (long before all of the controversy with the church) that if the church got bombed, it would virtually eliminate Chicago's buppie population.[/quote]
Indeed a whole lot of Consumer Co-Conspirators who heard Wright make the claim that the USA is STEALING Oil because it feels like it has a RIGHT TO the world's oil would be injured as such.
If a CHRISTIAN knows that he is receiving STOLEN GOODS because his PASTOR TOLD HIM SO in the sermon (the CD audio is available if he is not in church that day) but continues consuming....is he PATRIOTIC to God's will?
Frat,
I feel ya. I want a debate on the issues because on substance, I don't like any of those we have left. McCain gets a very slight and severely grudging nod from me at this point because he won't make promises he can't keep on Iraq and because he's not as likely to raise taxes and he doesn't believe in subsidies and wants to cut spending.
All of them believe in man made climate change. All of them want amnesty for illegals. All of them think government is a solution.
I also think of who is worse than the other, I say Hagee is worse than Wright at the race baiting. Just that Hagee race bait in directing it at fellow Christian conservative believers accusing them incessantly for years of antisemitism because they don't hold to his over the top endtimes beliefs. No way am I feeling sorry for him now that he is on the receiving end of charges of antisemitism from liberals.
If anything Christian conservative believers he defamed for over a decade should pile on him, if we choose to be not Christ-like and seek revenge.
[quote]Sounds like he's trying to use that "it's a black thing" defense but most of the black people I've talked are not interested.[/quote]
Angie: After listening to the Warren Ballentine (and his Obama campaign 3 hours) I see that there are two types of Black Democrats:
1) Those who believe that THERE IS NO "Not the right time to talk about this". What better time to challenge WHITE FOLKS on their racist behavior in killing Native Americans and stealing the land? (This was said by a caller - of course this caller did not mention if he is now a DEED HOLDER to this land today that someone else STOLE so that he might purchase it in a laundered fashion)
2) There is a second type of Black person who wants OBAMA TO BE ELECTED more than they want to TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE and thus risk pissing WHITE FOLKS OFF and thus torpedoing Obama's candidacy. Though we hear Steve and others frequently talk about "Black Sellouts" - someone who promotes his political interests over BLACK INTERESTS - for some strange reason those people who equate OBAMA'S ELECTORAL SUCCESS with BLACK ADVANCEMENT will never be called as such. In their view if it is POPULAR to promote your political party's interests over your RACIAL INTERESTS.....and no one will dare call you on it then YOU ARE NOT A SELLOUT
The entire show was a mirror image to the RIGHT WING WHITE MALE talk shows. Where as they condemn the right wing for their exploits they don't get that they are a mirror image of that which they condemn in their adversaries.
As a Black man who is not a Democrat as I look around in our communities where these people have the most POWER it is clear that they can't claim that they are working in BLACK PEOPLE'S BEST INTERESTS. They are using politics to fight their racial and ideology proxy fight.
Ok folks, the game has changed, just now!
Obama has thrown Wright under the bus drove over him, backed up, hooked up a chain to his still warm body and drug him down Lakeshore Blvd.
So those of you that defended Wright and support Obama, listen to his statement first and then tell me where you stand!
Hillary's chances were just raised to 49%!
Obama saw his campaign struggling and just like he did his grandmother, he ditched Wright!
This brother is imploding, I really do feel bad for him now.
Time to jump all over Hillary now!
Craig,
I don't Obama on this at all.
Maybe he has changed since he became senator and get exposed to the real world that is not the world that his pastor wants to claim is the world he railed against at the pulpit.
I do think Wright and those who defend them marginalize themselves by refusing to own statements he make, play context got twisted game (when they won't do that for anyone else that is not on their side of the issue), divert blame by saying other pastors do it, too, continue to avoid dealing with where people get offended at (and not just on anti-American statements, but on where different ethnic groups get offended), and refuse to provide evidence for outlandish claims made.
JB - I’m troubled with Pastor Wright being an issue to begin with.
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I agree. Obama was on Chris Wallace this weekend and talked about the war and other important issues, but Monday morning, and now Tuesday, the news is all Rev. Wright.
He comes across as very self-important and prideful. Even if they were taken out of context, the attacks were on his words, not the black church. But he wants to make it seem like its the black church, so his attackers an be seen as attacking some authentic blackness.
85% of what he said NPC was ridiculous, but he did make a few good points. However, they are overshadowed by the rest. And am I wrong or did he not pimp his upcoming book?
He's ticked off Sharpton and now he's going to tick off Wright supporters.
He knows he can't win even getting 90+% of the black vote. He's trying to get his non-racial bona fides back. I wonder if the campaign was in collusion with Sharpton and Wright?
What about the Farrakhan supporters, he ditched them too.
And that is where Wright differs from those like Falwell and Robertson. The latter two, as bad as they are at times, don't hide behind others do it, too, excuse. They don't hide behind people need to look at all their sermons or go to their churches to understand what they say (which is elitist argument employed by Wright).
They own what they say, and in some cases, actually apologize for what they say.
. "It was an opportunity for a very well-prepared pastor to teach America about the foundations of racism and for it to live up to its doctrines," Anthony Evans, president of the National Black Church Initiative, told Journal-isms. "They picked on the wrong man. He represents for us the finest example of what a prepared Black preacher is all about."
You haven't been right about Obama once.
Why should we start paying attention now?
Larry Murphy, a faculty member at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary in Evanston, Ill., said Wright "acquitted himself well. He framed the questions in the appropriate categories, because this is, in fact, not an issue of Rev. Wright. It really is an issue of the larger African American experience" and the responsibility of the Black clergy to respond to the events of the times.
SB1, you hit it out of the park.
What's pathetically shameful is how the perpetuation of White fear of Black men is a generations-old ploy, yet it still works.
" In 1934 the Federal Register (every law on the federal books, ever single one) was 2,735 pages. That year, Roosevelt's Economic Recovery Agency added 10,000 pages. So what's up with the trivia Bardo and who cares?
We add 800,000 liberty eroding pages each and every year to the Federal Register and no one knows what's in it."
Only if you proceed from the premise that the rule of law and what it entails restricts freedom. I can't get there with you.
"85% of what he said NPC was ridiculous, but he did make a few good points. However, they are overshadowed by the rest. And am I wrong or did he not pimp his upcoming book?"
Heck, I read some of his sermons, and he makes good points in all of them, to get people to hear what he has to say, but blows it by damaging things he say that not only is hurtful to his own soul but that of his whole church.
tvd,
Don't!
"What's pathetically shameful is how the perpetuation of White fear of Black men is a generations-old ploy, yet it still works."
The problem with these arguments is that Wright offended alot of different people. He didn't just offend whites. He offended patriotic black conservatives. He offended Jews. He offended Italians. And if he is not careful, he could have offended women, especially black women who look up to Condi Rice (on top of his sexist statements about a missing victim).
"Obama told reporters Tuesday that Wright's comments do not accurately portray the perspective of the black church.
"The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago," Obama said of the man who married him."
The same people will still rush out there to protect the hatred behind Wright's words. Even if the Great Prince has flogged the messenger at this point.
http://www.breitbart.com/article...&
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tvd,
This is the rule of lawyers not the rule of law and there is a very real difference.
When we need to pay lawyers to interpret our interactions and pay fees to engage in ordinary conduct, then we've gone from the rule of law to the tyranny of the law or over-regulation!
"If a CHRISTIAN knows that he is receiving STOLEN GOODS because his PASTOR TOLD HIM SO in the sermon (the CD audio is available if he is not in church that day) but continues consuming....is he PATRIOTIC to God's will?"
I agree with alot of your posts.
But this one I have to say is putting to much on any human being, not just Wright.
One can criticize US policies, and though we as a nation may at times benefit from those policies, and thus enjoy the fruits of those we consider unjust that does not mean we should not speak out against what we feel is unjust.
So I don't think that is being fair to Wright here.
Ronnie,
"What's pathetically shameful is how the perpetuation of White fear of Black men is a generations-old ploy, yet it still works."
What's even more shameful is how these conservative house negroes are gleefully endorsing and perpetuating it.
"What's even more shameful is how these conservative house negroes are gleefully endorsing and perpetuating it."
In other words blame those who are offended by the words, rather than the one who says the offensive words.
No wonder Wright and his supporters are so marginalize. It looks like Obama don't want anything to do with them by the time it is said and done. And why would he want to get himself marginalized too?
Is Wright wrong? Is Obama right?
Is this a campaign tactic to get it out of the way and change the narrative now? Will this stem the tide and stop the bleeding?
How do you who supported Wright and Obama feel now?
It looks like we're witnesses a domestic dispute on national television. Wright was upset that Obama condemned his words during his speech in Philly, so he took a while to put his thoughts (such as they are) together and decided to get back at Obama. He's going to go anywhere he can (in addition to pimping his upcoming book) and say things that the news media will take snippets of out of or in context, which they will then relate to Obama as if he's saying it too. Wright may be wrong, but he's not stupid. He knows the more he talks, even if it is in anger at Barry, the worse it goes for Obama and the less anything of substance that Obama says about the economy, etc. will get out there.
McCain has to be near orgasm over this. Although he's over 70, so he probably doesn't get those anymore.
Is Obama now not black enough again? Is he non-racial?
There are so many twists to this.
I think Obama four years from now will be even much tougher candidate to beat than this year, because this year is a big learning experience. And in four years, the memory of past associations will fade, provided he learned his lessons.
He has potential to be a dominate force in politics for years to come.
Angie,
McCain is fumbling for the Viagra in his medicine cabinet right now, but don't worry, he'll figure a way to screw it up too.
Angie,
If it is a ploy by Obama and Wright to get even conservatives like me to feel bad for Obama, it is actually working!!!!
"In other words blame those who are offended by the words, rather than the one who says the offensive words."
Oh really.
Why are CS and Bardo so offended by what Wright says but actually DEFEND the racist filth of Pat Buchanan?
Some of you negroes need your friggin heads examined.
"McCain is fumbling for the Viagra in his medicine cabinet right now, but don't worry, he'll figure a way to screw it up too."
Yep, party of fake conservatives and screw-ups.
steve,
Is Obama right or is Wright right? Is Hillary your girl again? Did Obama lose his black card this week, jumping over Sharpton and ditching Wright? Is he loyal to Wright like he was his grandmother? I have so many questions!
"Why are CS and Bardo so offended by what Wright says but actually DEFEND the racist filth of Pat Buchanan?"
I didn't see them defend Pat, and I don't know which words you have in mind.
But let's suppose he said some racist filth. And let's suppose Pat and his defenders excuse that by saying others especially blacks do it, too. Let's suppose they also use the excuse that their words got taken out of context in soundbites and one would have to hear everything they say every time they go on air to understand them. And let's suppose they use the argument people are doing this to Pat to play on black fears of white racists.
How would you deal with such lame excuses?
Now, get why no one is moved by the excuses given by Wright and his defenders?
n______s are so crazy! they will destroy each other everytime. all whites have to do sit back and watch!
i feel sorry for obama.
email the dnc and offer support to obama that's the only way he can get the nomination.
mccain 2008!
Why are some people still focused on Rev. Wright and his comments? People need to let it go and focus on more important issues like the high gasoline and food prices. Most citizens are hurting by the bad Economy that's taking place in the United States and the trillion dollar deficit we are in.
Craig Bardo: Hillary's chances were just raised to 49%! Obama saw his campaign struggling and just like he did his grandmother, he ditched Wright!
Slow down, Craig. He merely denounced Rev. Wright's comment. He did not disown the guy.
"I didn't see them defend Pat, and I don't know which words you have in mind."
Take my word for it. THEY DID.
"But let's suppose he said some racist filth."
HE DID.
"And let's suppose Pat and his defenders excuse that by saying others especially blacks do it, too."
Then I would challenge them to produce a quote by any prominent black media figure or politician that even comes close to vileness of this crap.
http://www.humanevents.com/artic...le.php?
id=25634
You're welcome to try as well.
Show me the Wright comment that compares in any way to this filth that you BLACK MEN endorse.
Cause you obviously won't condemn it.
But falling all over yourselves attacking Wright.
un-friggin-believable.
Let's suppose they also use the excuse that their words got taken out of context in soundbites and one would have to hear everything they say every time they go on air to understand them. And let's suppose
condaskeeza? Say it ain't so.
I’m troubled with Pastor Wright being an issue to begin with. In the first time in our history, a Presidential candidate is taken to task and having to answer for what their pastor has said. More importantly, for what their pastor said on day(s) they were not in attendance at the church.
I'm troubled by this too. It seems that they need a comfortable theme to fall back on. That is, one that is partially felt by white America.
"Is Obama right or is Wright right?"
Obama is doing what he has to do to stay viable with the white voting public.
This is the kabuki dance all blacks must play when they try to go national.
The "denouncement" game where you have to prove to white folks that you are not "angry" like most of the other blacks.
Just one of the many advantages of being white in America.
[quote]But he wants to make it seem like its the black church, so his attackers an be seen as attacking some authentic blackness. [/quote]
Classic Cynthia McKinney 101
Dayum, I'm missing a good one. I'm gonna sit on the sidelines cuz I am worn out from a day school.
[quote]They did it to MLK with the motel sex tapes [/quote]
Kinda like the movie "Ricochet" with Denzel, huh?
[quote]
They did it Jesse by hanging Farrakhan around his neck like an albatross.[/quote]
Nah - I think it was the BABY that did Jesse in. I guess he forgot to ask his girl friend if she was down with "Roe V Wade" after inspecting her to make sure that she wasn't wearing a wire.
The thing that's funny is that people see disagreement between two black liberals like it's some crazy conundrum -- the two men have a disagreement.
If nothing else, this cuts against the idea that black liberals are not independent thinkers.
I think Obama has the same problem as the Clintons do. They don't choose their friends very well. Remember how the Clintons keep getting into scandals besides the Clinton infidelity scandals? People they are involved with were poor characters. The Clinton characters, to be sure, were not great characters either. But when they surround themselves with bad characters, it dragged them down.
Same thing with what happens with Obama, when he associates himself closely with the wrong people.
"Nah - I think it was the BABY that did Jesse in.
Didn't know Jesse was a POTUS candidate when his love baby was born.
Where'd you here this CS?
"Dayum, I'm missing a good one. I'm gonna sit on the sidelines cuz I am worn out from a day school."
Al, don't tell you are a fan of pro wrestling! lol
Steve,
You miss my point. No excuses like the ones shown are suffice regardless of WHO did it to WHOM.
"They don't choose their friends very well."
Oh you gotta be kidding me man.
Now it's just the liberals with shady friends.
Bush did business with the friggin Bin Ladens and get's a total pass from the press.
Both McCain and Bush's brother Neil were neck deep in the S&L scandals.
You righties are getting delirious now.
Thuyen, did you read the Buchanan link?
Ready to defend it?
Because I know you're damn sure not going to condemn it.
Steve,
Bush and McCain are righties?
Talk about lowering the bar!
I know of no person -- not Dr. King, not any rabbi I have ever met, and certainly not any other politician -- who would go into an African American church -- Dr. King's Church -- on Martin Luther King Day and devote a significant portion of his speech to acknowledging and then decrying the continuing existence of anti-Semitism in sectors of the black community. That is precisely what Barack did last year. Some might make that speech at an AIPAC convention, but I know of none to do it to an all black congregation. Similarly, in my 51 years, I have heard many rabbis use the story of Passover to talk about religious intolerance against Jews; yet none has lectured on racial and religious intolerance within the Jewish community by forcing us to acknowledge, for example, that the elders at our seders still use derogatory yiddish words for African-Americans. I do not mean to suggest the "moral equivalence" of the language or to argue whether racism in the Jewish or other white communities is more or less prevalent or better or worse than anti-semitism in the black or other non-Jewish communities. They are all worthy of condemnation and most of us know it. But I know of no one -- let alone a politician in a presidential race -- other than Barack to so eschew self-interest and expediency by raising the harder side of the question to the less receptive audience.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
ho...or_b_95924.html
Kinda puts our right wing race-baiters in perspective now...
Doesn't it?
BTW - Great post SB!
Shay,
"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday," Obama told reporters at a news conference.
"The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago," Obama said of the man who married him.
Obama said he heard that Wright had given "a performance" and when he watched tapes, he realized that it more than just a case of the former pastor defending himself.
"What became clear to me was that he was presenting a world view that contradicts what I am and what I stand for," Obama said.
"I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he's done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."
If you say so!!!
Did he use tactics that called America evil or call for bitterness or anger or divisiveness? To the contrary.
Craig Bardo 04.29.08 - 12:35 pm
MLK SAID AMERICA GOING TO HELL: Memphis, Tenn., March 18, 1968
"And I come by here to say that America, too, is going to hell if she doesn't use her wealth. If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she, too, will go to hell."
Martin Luther King
shay, you must be paying your Negroes to be this IgKnut of our history; for surely they are not doing it on purpose.
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Thuyen,
"Bush and McCain are righties?
Talk about lowering the bar!"
Talk about a deflection and a moondance!!!!
LOL!!!!
You don't fool anybody pal.
NSangoma
There is a difference between warning America is going to get condemned like King did and like Jefferson before him did and like evangelical preachers later on do. Wrigth goes a bit beyond that and say God already condemned America and presumed to know when. Falwell is also guilty of that, but he apologized (does not make his sin any less bad but at least he took responsiiblity for what he said).
Is Wright wrong? Is Obama right?
Is this a campaign tactic to get it out of the way and change the narrative now? Will this stem the tide and stop the bleeding?
How do you who supported Wright and Obama feel now?
Wright *and* Obama???
Knowing that the conflation strategy depends on an ignorant and intellectually-challenged electorate, I wonder you (and Thuyen) would try and sell that here?
"You don't fool anybody pal."
Deflection?
That's funny- that's the whole ammo the last four months used by Wright camp.
Deflect by saying his words are taken out of context from soundbites when he does not provide what the actual context is.
Deflect by using that argument but we all know his camp won't do same for others who they disagree with.
Deflect by saying other people do it so somehow it is ok for them to do it.
Deflect by ignoring where people point out he said offensive words against ethnic groups.
Need I say more?
Deflect is the name of your game and each and every defender of what Wright said.
"Knowing that the conflation strategy depends on an ignorant and intellectually-challenged electorate, I wonder you (and Thuyen) would try and sell that here?"
Sell what? McCain is not much of an improvement over either Hiliary and Obama.
A choice between Obama and Hiliary is like a choice between a root canal and a tooth pull-out.
[quote]"A nation that has done something special AGAINST the Negro for two hundred years must now do something special FOR the Negro."[/quote]
The Kneegrow who, after WITNESSING the history of what was done to him is a FOOL to expect his long time adversary is going to ever FULLY RESTORE HIM to his previous form.
(Double this insanity if the Kneegrow has no clue as to what his PREVIOUS FORM was. When he is "left all alone" to operate all by himself as he was in the past - he'll say that it is UNFAIR that he was "LEFT BEHIND" by his former oppressor. He will continue to compare himself to his oppressor who now "lives in the suburbs" rather than ever attempting to build up to that same level by organizing his own people organically.)
Ronnie,
I'm only "conflating" those who support Obama so much that they defended Wright. Now that Obama has thrown him overboard completely, how do you feel about that intense defense of Wright?
"Deflect by ignoring where people point out he said offensive words against ethnic groups."
Where? when?
"I'm only "conflating" those who support Obama so much that they defended Wright. Now that Obama has thrown him overboard completely, how do you feel about that intense defense of Wright?"
If Wright is innocent of what he is accused of then those who defend Wright will have to say Obama is a liar. If Obama is telling the truth, then I will folks fill in the blanks here.
Craig,
As I said before....Obama "merely" denounced Wright's comments. He did not disown the man today. I stick by that one.
The Real Jeremiah Wright
What if the only thing you knew about Thomas Jefferson was that he owned slaves?
What if, instead of the video of the I Have a Dream speech, elementary school students were taught that Martin Luther King Jr. once said, “My government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world …”?
What if the single piece of information you possessed about Nelson Mandela was that he co-founded a terrorist organization called Umkhonto we Sizwe (abbreviated as MK), which stands for Spear of the Nation?
With apologies to William Blake, if you believe you can see the world in a grain of sand, you better make sure it is the right grain.
So, how well do the twelve words we know about Jeremiah Wright define the man, the nearly four-decades of ministry, the church he built, the denomination it belongs to, the black community, and whatever else we think he might represent? Are those words the right grain of sand?
The Bill Moyers interview with Wright last Friday night went a long way towards illuminating other dimensions of the man. My father – no fan of lefty politics of any stripe – called me after watching the segment with some surprise in his voice. Perhaps he was expecting Wright to cite Stokely Carmichael as his most important intellectual influence instead of Martin Marty, who is probably the most distinguished scholar of religion in America and the very model of thoughtful moderation.
It was Marty, no doubt wearing his signature bow tie, who inspired Wright when he was a student at the University of Chicago Divinity School to take over a failing church on the far south side of Chicago and make it relevant to the community it was serving.
“Do you know anything about Jeremiah Wright other than those twelve words?” my dad asked.
“A little,” I said. A grain or two of sand’s worth.
When I first moved back to Chicago in late 2001 to start the Interfaith Youth Core, it seemed like I heard Jeremiah Wright’s name mentioned every place I turned. All kinds of people – rich folk and poor folk, traditionalists and progressives, young people and old people, black and white, believers and atheists – told me I had to go see him preach.
Nobody said anything about radical politics or hating America or stirring up a race war. The one word I heard used in reference to Jeremiah Wright over and over again was the word that Martin Marty used to describe his ministry: “Hope”.
Sometime in late 2003, I woke up at the crack of dawn on a Sunday to make the long drive down to Trinity from my condo on the north side of Chicago. I arrived an hour early for the service, and still wound up in the balcony.
I remember feeling that the sermon was smart and moving, and I thought Wright had earned his reputation as a man who sent of signals of transcendence with his words.
But here is what I remember most about that morning: At the end of the service, Reverend Wright read aloud a letter that a young woman had sent him. She had grown up in the congregation, was now studying for a PhD in Oceanography, and was writing to thank Reverend Wright and Trinity for all they had done to support her.
This is what we’re about, Jeremiah Wright said, waving the letter from the pulpit, proud enough to be her own father. The congregation cheered wildly.
Maybe that’s the grain of sand that best describes the world of Jeremiah Wright.
http://
newsweek.washingtonpost.c...iah_wright.html
Fascinating, the folks who have been to his Church, and know his works have atotally different view than the Faux News racists...
Not surprising at all.
"Where? when?"
Garlic nose remarks about Italians. Calling Israel apartheid state and printing out Hama hate literature against Jews with bizarre accusations like Israel has race bombs being developed against Palestinians. Using the death of Christ as not only chance to slur Italians, but also to use it as proof of world and truth is based around "rich white men" keeping "poor black men" down. It is no longer just a criticism of America thing. It is a divine racial war thing.
Right out of the theology of Cone.
"There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights."
"Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred."
MLK, Jr.
From the same speech and same passages as above.
What was he asking for? Citizenship rights and freedom! That's all we need!
Release the bitterness and hatred because only the person that harbors it is harmed!
"The Kneegrow who, after WITNESSING the history of what was done to him is a FOOL to expect his long time adversary is going to ever FULLY RESTORE HIM to his previous form."
EXACTLY!!!!!
Thus why my mother to this day still says that I have to be at 150% each and every day that I work on a job or work in school.
White man has never given me anything, nor should they have to. All of a sudden they are going to change because Undercover is on BR talking smack?????
I trust myself to chase my dreams more than any white man to give me those dreams.
Basics folks....basics!!!
"Al, don't tell you are a fan of pro wrestling! lol"
Thuyen, I was once a fan of pro wrestling but the last thing I remember was when "Classy" Freddie Blassie wrestled along with guys named Bruno Sammartino and Ivan "The Russian Bear" Putski. Then one day everything changed. Bob Backlund was the WWF champion. I heard Vince McMahon stopped announcing and was replaced by a guy named "Mean" Gene Okerlund. Is that true?
I find it funny people use the Moyers interview (which is controlled interview) I should add to "prove" Wright was distorted. If only Wright was actually asked to explain his statements that were so offensive. Only thing is Moyers ducked on those questions.
The interview was not an interview. It was bogus at best and really a chat between friends avoiding the controversy to make each other look good.
[quote]One can criticize US policies, and though we as a nation may at times benefit from those policies, and thus enjoy the fruits of those we consider unjust that does not mean we should not speak out against what we feel is unjust.
So I don't think that is being fair to Wright here.[.quote]
Understood Thuyen.
But should we allow Wright (and Steve and BET Uncut) to continue to damn the White folks in the North during Slavery for using the COTTON picked by the enslaved African while claiming that they are AGAINST SLAVERY and have never picked up a whip as their proof? While failing to make note of their consumption in kind today?
Some of these White folks not only were IN the Military but were FOUNDING MEMBERS. Why is it that THIS does not vaccinate them from criticism?
BT.....
I saw his entire speech before the NPC....and the hate and anger was very, very evident.
He sounded just as crazy in that entire speech as he does in the little thirty second sound bites that are on CNN or FOX.
Yet you only look at FOX, when CNN and MSNBC are playing those same soundbites over and over again in one loop. Same as FOX!!!!!!!! Even you engage in the game of half truths and omission when it suits your needs, as I have shown here.
"Only thing is Moyers ducked on those questions.
The interview was not an interview. It was bogus at best and really a chat between friends avoiding the controversy to make each other look good."
It provided balance to the unrelenting negative coverage of Wright.
I had no problem with it -- there are plenty of figures I consider reprehensible that get similar softball treatment.
"Garlic nose remarks about Italians. Calling Israel apartheid state and printing out Hama hate literature against Jews with bizarre accusations like Israel has race bombs being developed against Palestinians. Using the death of Christ as not only chance to slur Italians, but also to use it as proof of world and truth is based around "rich white men" keeping "poor black men" down. It is no longer just a criticism of America thing. It is a divine racial war thing."
Israel IS an apartheid state.
(Psst, Thuyen let me clue you in on something. In Israel, Palestinians are official second class citizens)
As for the rest of your outrage, it always kills me how you black righties are ready to jump in front of a moving train for your beloved white folks but actually endorse anti-black rhetoric.
Still no comments on Buchanan's rant, eh?
But he gives me "garlic nose".
You can't make this stuff up?
"I heard Vince McMahon stopped announcing and was replaced by a guy named "Mean" Gene Okerlund. Is that true?"
Actually, Vince, who owns WWE, is part of the show now. I have not watched WWE in quite a while, but I do know he is for a most part a heel now. His kids Shane and Stephanie (who is wife of Hunter Hearst Hemsley and a fine one at that) are involved, too.
I started watching wrestling at the time right after Randy Savage had turned on Hogan during tag match with Big Bossman and Akeem, over Miss Elisabeth, and at the same time Ric Flair got powedrived through a table three times by Terry Funk after he won a title match in best two out of three against Ricky Steamboat. So I started watching both WWF and NWA/WCW at the same time.
[quote]"What's pathetically shameful is how the perpetuation of White fear of Black men is a generations-old ploy, yet it still works."[/quote]
Indeed and Fiddy Cent, The Game and NWA have a wall full of gold records for their innovation to CASH IN UPON this White Fear of the "snarling Black man".
Indeed Steve you are correct. It still works.
" "The Kneegrow who, after WITNESSING the history of what was done to him is a FOOL to expect his long time adversary is going to ever FULLY RESTORE HIM to his previous form.""
Whole pile of straw there.
Black people are not, nor have they ever been, sitting around waiting for restoration.
Especially since we have to fight tooth and nail to get white people to even admit there was ANY wrongdoing EVER, and that if there was, it wasn't just a blip on our pathway to sweetness and light and racial harmony. P6 has an excellent comment to this effect.
Let's look at some of the venom from the Reich..errrrr... right...
Ax what you can do for your country
by Nancy Lee Wolfe
We remember the 60s when the social change which continues today began in earnest-- riots, draft card and bra-burnings-- those were the days. However, Rev. Wright established a new battleground by mocking JFK’s Boston drawl. It seems sad that the struggle for equality and fair treatment has come to the division of diction.
Reverend Wright has become a house-hold name by confrontationally itemizing his perception of America, bigotry and hate. What seems most important to Reverend Wright is to finally receive an apology from America for the slavery it visited on his ancestors.
Setting aside his peculiar points of view, is it possible that we all ax for forgiveness?
http://www.thesop.org/index.php?id=10964
" I find it funny people use the Moyers interview (which is controlled interview) I should add to "prove" Wright was distorted. If only Wright was actually asked to explain his statements that were so offensive. Only thing is Moyers ducked on those questions.
The interview was not an interview. It was bogus at best and really a chat between friends avoiding the controversy to make each other look good."
That's Bill Moyer's for you. Funny thing is, Moyer's agressively has engaged in attacking Christianity whenever he gets the chance to.
Now, when it is good for him, he is chumming it up with a Christian preacher as if he has never classified us as cult followers and a big scam.
The entire interview was a leftist sham....very typical actually.
"Israel IS an apartheid state.
(Psst, Thuyen let me clue you in on something. In Israel, Palestinians are official second class citizens)"
Let me clue you in- they could have got it better had they agreed to partition in 1948, but no, they wanted it all and they and Arab neighbors tried to wipe out Israel, and it backfired, and they lost some land. And then they tried to attack Israel in 1967, but Israel launched preemptive strikes and got some more land.
Since then Israel had attempts to make peace and to offer land and concessions only to either be refused or to have suicide bombings.
If Palestinian leadership showed it has no intent at real peace, then what should Israel do? Reward them for terrorist activities?
How about you lead Israel and give everything they want only to have suicide bombings and other terrorist acts against your land many times in a year and see how would you react?
Steve,
Start drinking the kool-aid passed out by NOI. And read King's take on that. He sees anti-Zionism as anti-semitism and sees clearly that those enemies of Israel are not interested in real peace until Israel becomes a graveyard of Jews.
Wrigth (sic) goes a bit beyond that and say God already condemned America and presumed to know when.
Thuyen 04.29.08 - 2:38 pm
Thuyen, where can I find this quoted?
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"but no, they wanted it all."
Uh, ALL OF IT WAS THEIRS.
"Since then Israel had attempts to make peace and to offer land and concessions."
Israel is trying to make deals to keep the land that they STOLE.
Vince McMahon plays the evil owner role perfectly. Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler do the call now, and at times the King still get's into the ring!!!
that brand seems to rise and fall as the plots get great to horrible.
But right now they are suffering from over saturation because Vince bought out WCW and now they just ahve too many player's hustling for face time.
Last night's show was alright though....Triple H can carry it still, and that makes for good plots when he holds the belt.
"Start drinking the kool-aid passed out by NOI."
I will after you stop drinkin the pi$$ handed to you by Commentary and Frontpagemag.
NSangoma
Something like don't say God bless America but God damned America. And yes I have read the whole sermon. He said alot of offensive things in that sermon, not just that statement. That statement, to be honest, did not really offend me that much. He did make error of trying to claim those like Jefferson said same exact thing.
You forgot that the liberal media use guilt by association on Christian conservatives with Falwell as if he speaks for all of us, long past when we got tired of him.
Thuyen | 04.29.08 - 1:26 pm | #
No GOP candidate has been forced to answer for what Falwell, Hagee, or any other white Christian conservative has said let alone their association with them.
"I will after you stop drinkin the pi$$ handed to you by Commentary and Frontpagemag."
Sorry, I watch CNN, MSNBC, and foxnews.
"No GOP candidate has been forced to answer for what Falwell, Hagee, or any other white Christian conservative has said let alone their association with them."
None of them has Falwell, Hagee, or Robertson as pastors. There is no moral equivalence.
Yes, it is still embarrassing. But not nearly as bad as exposing your kid to that type of preaching for 20 years.
And Falwell and Robertson can diffused situations- they more than once apologized for their words, though Robertson is all out of excuses for throwing around false prophecies and deserve to be thrown in same dustheap as all the false prophets of the Bible.
Black people are not, nor have they ever been, sitting around waiting for restoration.[/quote]
Where do you live?
Let me take you on a drive through parts of Philly and Pittsburgh so I can change your mind with direct evidence.
And how many Christian evangelical leaders have said racist remarks in the last ten years against different races in same way Wright said about different races?
Hagee, you might have a case on.
But he is longed hated among Christian conservatives who don't fall for his over the top current events endtimes theology scenerios.
NSangoma
Something like don't say God bless America but God damned America. And yes I have read the whole sermon. ...
Thuyen 04.29.08 - 2:59 pm
Thuyen, I don't need you to read it for me; just tell me where I can find this quote, and I will read it myself.
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Here is a liberal blog that has his whole sermon:
http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com...a/#comment-
6893
From the History News Network (Not our Reich wing "historian")...
Pastor Wright: In Context
By Steve Hochstadt
Mr. Hochstadt is professor of history at Illinois College in Jacksonville, Illinois, and author of Sources of the Holocaust (Palgrave, 2004) and Shanghai-Geschichten: Die jüdische Flucht nach China (Berlin: Hentrich und Hentrich, 2007).
Racism is still alive in America. Few would claim that racial prejudice against African-Americans, an enduring American shame, has been eliminated. Yet the explosion of criticism, mainly by white commentators, of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and of Senator Barack Obama for remaining his parishioner and friend, conveniently ignores the world of white racism in which Wright developed his ideas.
The focus on Wright and Obama has obscured the larger truth about the sermons he has presented: they resonated in the African-American community. Few of the self-righteous critics of Wright appear to care that they are also stamping a significant proportion of African-Americans as “appalling” (Cheney) or “anti-American” (Bill O’Reilly).
Let’s begin with Wright’s claim that the AIDS epidemic has been deliberately spread in the African-American population by the government. The use of African-Americans by government-sponsored researchers in the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, and in other similar examples of racist science, continued well into the 1960s. Wright’s claim about AIDS and the government, while both preposterous and without evidence, can be compared to other claims about government conspiracies against our national health.
In my own youth, conservatives routinely accused governments of poisoning America with fluoridation programs, occasionally bringing up the specter of communist plots. In my local newspaper, parents’ groups have recently raised the alarm about mercury in government-mandated vaccinations, with the more extreme voices claiming conspiracies. Plenty of Republicans of Wright’s age came to political maturity attacking the American government as full of spies and traitors, and some popular conservative voices, like Ann Coulter, are trying to rehabilitate Joe McCarthy and his anti-American form of patriotism. All these conspiracy theories are based in paranoia and misinformation, with this important exception: Wright knew that his government had secretly abused the health of African-Americans in the recent past.
African-American suspicion of white society and the American government is much broader than this myth about AIDS. Many African-Americans believe in what they call simply “The Plan,” an organized process of pushing poor African-Americans out of their urban neighborhoods to make way for profitable gentrification. This belief is not so much based on broad evidence as on interpreting a variety of local conflicts in the light of the long history of racism in the official treatment of African-Americans, such as racial profiling in law enforcement and the deliberate placement of highways, garbage treatment plants and other anti-social constructions in minority neighborhoods.
Certainly developers, real estate agents, and contractors are working together in many places to make money by gentrifying low-income city districts. The inevitable result is that African-American and other minorities will move out and whites will move in, the reversal of late 20th-century urban white flight. Because I read every day in my local newspaper about the corrupt process of awarding bids for building major projects in Illinois, it would not be too hard for me to believe that some or many local or state governments are in cahoots with moneyed interests to help them build or destroy wherever they want. I don’t even have to believe in an anti-black conspiracy...
http://www.hnn.us/articles/49314.html
SB,
And even if there is moral equivalence, the way you are defending Wright is really going to be taking for what it is, and that is deflecting criticism by saying others do it.
The best thing is hold Wright to same standard you hold others to so you can point out that you are consistent, then you can say when those others do it, you can complain about them.
But by defending Wright and saying Wright cannot be held responsible, you also lower the bar on the very folks you also point out say some bad things, too.
Thuyen, it is just as I remembered, the word used was not damned:
The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law, and then wants us to sing God Bless America…no, no, no
Not God bless America, God damn America. That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. Think about this, think about this.
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Steve, you and the horde of liberal supporters of Rev. Wright, today Barak Obama thru you and "Your Man" under the bus and then backed it up over you to make sure he ran over you. You black nationalist are not in charge of nothing! and will not be.
Today Obama displayed what any man black, white or striped will have to do to win the POTUS. Show that he has the political courage to do what a majority of his supporters do not agree with. It was refreshing to see but not surprising. You see he is not running for leader of some black nationalist,socialist, NOI fantasy land that he could care less about. The man wants to be President of the United Staes of America.
I have said this before, Obama will be a president of the political power that puts him in office. He will answer to the old line liberal establishment power in Washington. The old line Kennedy machine wanted to get back close to ppolitical power since Carter and Clinton set them on the political sideline. This is a realignment of liberal political power in Washington. Most blacks because they are "right brained" will not get. Most whites that are "left brained" do get it. This is facinating to watch.
The so called "new" horde of Obama voters are going to get what all democratic emotional fringe groups get,from the DEMS lip service.
The policies,goals and objectives of his (Obama's) adminisrtation will be directed by his "handers" and the powers behind the throne just like all other presidents.
There is not going to be some direct "RED" phone to the hood where black folk will have a direct line. It a'int going to be there. That being said, many elite and political connected blacks will have greater access, the masses will see no change in access.
Remember, the main man, the campaign stategist, is David Axelrod and he is as white as snow.
You think that Obama is saying what he thinks white people want to hear, NO he is saying what David wants him to say that white people want to hear. You don't know this?
[quote]Racism is still alive in America.[/quote]
A straw man to "RACISM CHASE" after if I have ever seen it.
BET Uncut - could you describe the day in the future where by the magic of "audacity" that RACISM WILL DISAPPEAR?
Wouldn't it be equally insane to say "MURDER STILL EXISTS IN AMERICA! For people to ignore the history of MURDER is to be in denial"?
The fact of the matter is that RACISM, SEXISM, popular disapproval of Homosexual relationships (Homophobia is an irrational word) and indeed MURDER will ALWAYS BE WITH US.
A more HONEST and plausible scenario is found if we ask the question "in 2008 can those who VIOLATE YOUR RIGHTS while pursuing their RACIST projection do so with IMPUNITY per the implicit sanction of the GOVERNMENT?"
You indeed have book smarts on paper but your inability to apply what you know into the real world is troubling.
For me as I listened to the Ballentine show today I realized that even though Black folks WON the political fight to control the political positions in our own community per the outline vocalized by Bayard Ruskin we in fact achieved a Pyrrhic victory. Our victory is so hollow in nature because, in truth, the political agenda that we have set forth upon is in fact NOT for the benefit of "Black people" and our condition WITHIN our communities.
Instead it is DEMOCRATS and IDEOLOGUES who have been the main beneficiaries of the POWER that has been produced. Black people have in fact BEEN USED!!! Step back and tell me if our schools have improved in great measure despite having operatives on the popular side of the fight in power. Same for police force command, and those who dole out the business licenses in our community.
It is patently FOOLISH for you and the author that you produce to argue your point based on the CONTINUED PRESENCE OF RACISM today as your cornerstone. This places the actions of ONE IGNORANT WHITE MAN in power over your destiny instead of the question of if he is able to walk free or be held accountable.
To add insult to injury - as you have your long rifle pointed out of the window looking for racist Conservatives on the outside......YOUR OWN is slicing throats on the inside of your house and walking away with the same type of impunity that you DAMN THE WHITE MAN for getting away with in prior periods.
You really are CONFUSED.
Larry....
"You think that Obama is saying what he thinks white people want to hear, NO he is saying what David wants him to say that white people want to hear. You don't know this?"
Sadly, he does not know this!
Professional wrestling is indentured servanthood -- there's a reason these guys die at 35-40.
I liked watching it as a kid and young man, but I hate the toll professional athletics take on families and the athletes -- and that toll is multiplied greatly in the WWE, which has no real rules or regulation.
Let me present an alternative possibility, as a way of giving Wright the benefit of the doubt.
Suppose he really does believe the racist hate stuff he says and suppose he believes as a pastor, he has no choice but to say it publically when asked, lest he be accused of running from his duties as so-called prophet. And he sees as not compromising what he sees as truth, even for his friend.
In a persevere way, if that is the case, then I can actually respect that.
"I liked watching it as a kid and young man, but I hate the toll professional athletics take on families and the athletes -- and that toll is multiplied greatly in the WWE, which has no real rules or regulation."
I feel same way you do especially in regards to what happened to Chris Benoit and his wife Nancy. Let me just say what Chris did was heinous, and there is no excusing that, regardless of how much drugs and steroids they found on him.
I remembered watching him about 12 years ago when he was trying to break into WCW. He was a tag partner with Bobhy Eaton, former member of legendary Midnight Express tag team. I watched his matches and could only say he is a future superstar, despite lack of size compared to many other wrestlers. He had this super intensity about him, and it shows when he became member of the four horsemen.
His wife Nancy goes further back. I remembered her days when she was heel managers for those like Kevin Sullivan, then later on tag team Doom (made of Ron Simmons, later called Farooq, and Butch Reed), and then the Horsemen (on two occasions). She was as beautiful now as she was when she died.
I was a big fan of both of them.
It was very sad for me to see what happened. 
Speaking about holding Wright to the same standard...
Read this article -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
fr...te_b_91774.html
A Christian Manifesto by Paul Shaeffer is still recommended, if not required, reading amongst the religious right...
From the book:
If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable.
In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools... There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union....
Sound familiar?
And this treason:
There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God's law it abrogates it's authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation...
The book?
Here:
http://books.google.com/books?
id...umbnail#PPA1,M1
Can be purchased on Amazon here:
http://www.amazon.com/Christian-...r/dp/
0891072330
Reccomended reading?
Mainstram Baptist
http://mainstreambaptist.blogspo...-
christian.html
Focus on the Family
http://resources.family.org/
prod...an+manifesto.do
And apparently required reading at certain bible colleges...
"You think that Obama is saying what he thinks white people want to hear, NO he is saying what David wants him to say that white people want to hear. You don't know this?"
Did I say anything different?
Obama's in damage control mode now and doing what he can to salvage his campaign.
Whereas negroes like you and jensdaddy follow the sound of massas voice simply cuz it makes you happy.
"You black nationalist are not in charge of nothing! and will not be."
LOL!!!!!!
And what praytell do you black conservatives run?
Most of you clowns can't buy toilet paper without donations from the Bradley Foundation.
Obama Distances Himself From Ex-Pastor
http://news.aol.com/elections/
st...429144709990001
This has truly hurt his chance of becoming the President.
SB1, you hit it out of the park.
What's pathetically shameful is how the perpetuation of White fear of Black men is a generations-old ploy, yet it still works.
Ronnie B. | 04.29.08 - 1:46 pm | #
For the sake of argument, I'll agree with Thuyen and say Wright offended Asians, Hispanics, Christians, etc.
The focus of Fox News, Sean Hannity, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, etc. is the white voter. That's the reason it's a "perpetuation of White fear of Black men".
As I listed above, there are COUNTLESS examples of the same people SUPPORTING a traitorous flag (and groups who support it) that does NOT represent the United States of America. So, we have to go beyond this so-called outrage with what Wright said. If we, as a nation ,were truly outraged by acts considered unpatriotic there is NO WAY a pundit or politician could support a traitorous flag. However,the people in question are white and therefore EXCUSES are made for their behavior which not only contradicts patriotism for Old Glory but a respect for Republican President Abraham Lincoln who died as a result of a Confederate sympathizer.
Fear based on racial stereotypes are the underlying issue that is being exploited. Patriotism, hate for America, etc. are the reasons paraded around but don't pass the smell test based on what I just listed. You see, as a white person in this country you can worship a traitorous flag, dress in old soldier paraphanelia in honor of a traitorous flag and have white politicians and pundits support you with impunity. However, the outrage comes when a black pastor says "God Damn Amercia". Oh, that's just too much to take. That same pastor put on the uniform of the United not Confederate States these very people honor.
It's the hypocrisy and outright double standard that's infuriating. These so-called white, conservative, Christians see no problem with their lack of patriotism and race-baiting to win a Presidential election. All the things they have attributed to Wright THEY ARE GUILTY OF THEMSELVES. The difference is that they hide behind being the dominate culture and white priviledge that comes with it.
And BTW - "A Christian Manifesto" was required reading for ecery one of those Department of Justice Lawyers hired from Liberty Law School by the Bush*t...
http://www.liberty.edu/academics...ex.cfm?
PID=6420
As well as Regent University...
"This has truly hurt his chance of becoming the President."
This is the rope that hangs him for sure.
It played out just like we knew it would.
Meanwhile, McCain can hang with Hagy and make pilgrimages to Bob Jones University etc..
It was nice while it lasted black folks but I hope none of yall forgot to look in the mirror.
SB,
.."And even if there is moral equivalence, the way you are defending Wright is really going to be taking for what it is, and that is deflecting criticism by saying others do it".
No, my criticism is that not only do others do it. They do it with impunity because of white priviledge. Therefore, they inject race into this for the sole purpose of playing on long held black racial stereotypes. They exhibit the same behavior they decry knowing full well they'll never be held accountable as the dominant culture. And many of these people know that but still claim to be good Christians.
You see, you want Wright to be held responsible for what he said and his actions. Fine. So should those Christian hypocrites who've thrown the first stone.
"Do you really believe I would have a n___r run our family business, Randolph?"
Mortimer Duke, "Trading Places"
Edited By Siteowner
The Logic of BET Uncut and his echo Steve:
1) When White Republican Conservatives make offensive or racially charged statements - call out the troops to denounce them as bigoted people full of hate.
2) Add this offense to the list of why Blacks don't vote for Republicans (this list includes Willie Horton)
3) Milk this for all that it is worth as a means of retaining your "flock" from even THINKING ABOUT straying away despite their dissatisfaction with that which you would have them to follow.
4) When YOUR SIDE does what it has learned from its enemies for political advantage and is called for it - PULL OUT THE LIST of the previous offenses that the evil Conservatives have done.
5) Suppress the fact that the CONSERVATIVES WERE CONDEMNED BY YOU when they did it and instead attempt to JUSTIFY your actions and NEUTRALIZE their inspection of your actions in achieving you goal in the political spectrum. (even though it doesn't do much for actual BLACK ADVANCEMENT - but hey this is not your actual goal anyone only your stated one)
In summary - condemn your adversaries but do as they do for it is effective.
Ronnie,
I'm only "conflating" those who support Obama so much that they defended Wright. Now that Obama has thrown him overboard completely, how do you feel about that intense defense of Wright?
Truth be told, I never felt much desire to defend Rev. Wright. I saw the whole issue for what it was and is: a racialized spectacle, intended to (a) distract barely-attentive voters from their pocketbook issues; and (b) an intense effort to Black-ify a moderate-liberal Black candidate who dared to run successfully on a non-racialized platform.
And every sustained effort to keep Wright in the news cycles and blog topics, is evidence of that effort.
Ronnie
On point.
"You see, you want Wright to be held responsible for what he said and his actions. Fine. So should those Christian hypocrites who've thrown the first stone."
I don't care if he gets he held responsible or not. The far more disturbing part is people defending his diatribes.
And I have seen Christian conservatives held Falwell responsible for his words. Openly as in the cases of Ralph Reed and Bill Bennett. And in cases where he did apologized on 9/11 remarks, I have a hard time believing Falwell apologized because of liberal media. I get feeling those in his conservative circle give him an earful over that, too, but I don't know.
Here's the deal...I see people closing ranks around Wright saying it is over soundbites yet when it comes to soundbites over offensive statements they don't like, that rule does not apply.
Hypocrisy runs both ways here.
We will see what happen when a white candidate has a white pastor say similar things about blacks as Wright said about whites, Jews, etc.
Heck, it takes one quote from Lott, or at actually one toast, for him to get booted by Republicans.
It takes one soundbite from Imus for him to get booted.
Wright got alot more soundbites.
"And every sustained effort to keep Wright in the news cycles and blog topics, is evidence of that effort."
Wright kept himself in the news by running his mouth at eulogy, then interviewed with Moyers, hanged with NAACP, etc. He only has himself to blame. Even folks at fox are saying he should just disappear for a while and do himself and Obama a huge favor.
Ronnie B
..."saw the whole issue for what it was and is: a racialized spectacle, intended to (a) distract barely-attentive voters from their pocketbook issues; and (b) an intense effort to Black-ify a moderate-liberal Black candidate who dared to run successfully on a non-racialized platform".
I co-sign as well!
"When YOUR SIDE does what it has learned from its enemies for political advantage and is called for it - PULL OUT THE LIST of the previous offenses that the evil Conservatives have done."
Show me one remark that Rev. Wright made that even comes close to the filth spewed by Buchanan and Bennett.
Two racist white conservatives whom you, A BLACK MAN, make excuses for.
As God is my witness, I just don't understand people like you.
Do you really think that people like Buchanan and Bennett regard YOU as being on their side?
Are you crazy?
SB,
And with impunity? Falwell and Robertson had to eat their words on 9/11 right after they said them!
..."I don't care if he gets he held responsible or not. The far more disturbing part is people defending his diatribes".
No, the far more disturbing part is the racial politicking being used by those who only care about causing more division to win a Presidential race.
And with impunity? Falwell and Robertson had to eat their words on 9/11 right after they said them!
Thuyen | 04.29.08 - 4:09 pm | #
Did they eat their ministries too? Their influence with the GOP went out the door? They're seen in the same light as Wright? We spent weeks dissecting what they said and who they were talking about?
They made symbolic gesture which did not harm their political (GOP)influence or power structure.
"No, the far more disturbing part is the racial politicking being used by those who only care about causing more division to win a Presidential race."
Well, if a white politician attend a church ran by David Duke-like preacher for 20 years, have his kids baptized by him, have him married him and his wife, and dedicated bio to him, then he is also fair game.
Obama's problems are not just limited to Wright, but Wright's church having ties to both NOI and Hamas. And the church originally have mission statements then changing it when he ran. Or Obama's relations to other dubious folks, including a Communist terrorist.
Steve,
Where did I make excuses for Buchanan?
And do cite the actual quote of Bill Bennett where he is racist.
Wright kept himself in the news by running his mouth at eulogy, then interviewed with Moyers, hanged with NAACP, etc. He only has himself to blame. Even folks at fox are saying he should just disappear for a while and do himself and Obama a huge favor.
If the media were to complain that there was too much media coverage of Anna Nicole Smith, what would you suggest to the media?
SB,
You forget the different. Apologizing makes a lot of difference in the world. It diffuses situations.
If Wright apologized much earlier, things would have turn a little differently. By being a media hog and defiant, he made alot worse on himself and everybody who defends him.
I don't see the level of defense from conservatives for folks like Falwell that people have for Wright. It is a pathology I find interesting.
Now this moron is comparing Wright to David Duke.
You know the sad thing?
These negroes like Thuyen, Larry the Tarheel, Bardo and CS never wanted to see Obama win in the first place and it had nothing to do with ideology.
These are just scared anachronistic black people who are afraid of America being led by a black man.
They truly feel more secure being led by a white man.
It's how they've been conditioned.
So so sad.
"If the media were to complain that there was too much media coverage of Anna Nicole Smith, what would you suggest to the media?"
I think there is too much coverage of her. But sex (and now death) sells, apparently.
.."Well, if a white politician attend a church ran by David Duke-like preacher for 20 years"
David Duke was at the very least a sympathizer for a US terrorist organization (KKK) who muredered ,intitmidated and brutalized black folks along with a German one (Nazi)who tried to wipe a race of people off the face of the earth.
So please, let's stop with this gross comparison.
Steve,
Now, you are playing fast and loose with what I said. I made a point that if one goes to a church that is seen as racist, one should expect alot of controversy, if one goes there for 20 years.
"Where did I make excuses for Buchanan?"
Oh please stop with the games. You damn sure haven't condemned him.
"And do cite the actual quote of Bill Bennett where he is racist."
As for Bennett, why don't you do a little softshoe for massa?
http://mediamatters.org/items/20...ms/
200509280006
"So please, let's stop with this gross comparison."
Or take Duke's name off and replace it with a name of a run of the mill racist preacher. My point still remains.
Steve,
I have also seen you called Al and even SB racists against their own color. You are a joke.
And I am not black. Get over yourself.
Steve,
Media Matters is known for misquoting people.
I like to go see an objective source, please.
Never mind. I just saw his comments on WP. Disappointing and I do believe racist. He might be trying to make a point against abortion, but using race like he did as linkage to crime was terrible of him.
"If the media were to complain that there was too much media coverage of Anna Nicole Smith, what would you suggest to the media?"
I think there is too much coverage of her. But sex (and now death) sells, apparently.
Yet you can't (or don't want to) see the parallels in sensationalized media coverage viz-a-viz Wright.
You prove my point.
WP= Washington Post
"I have also seen you called Al and even SB racists against their own color. You are a joke."
And you're a liar.
Produce the quote.
"Media Matters is known for misquoting people."
ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!
"And I am not black. Get over yourself."
Bardo and CS don't believe they are either.
Steve, I believe Thuyen is Vietnamese.
"Yet you can't (or don't want to) see the parallels in sensationalized media coverage viz-a-viz Wright.
You prove my point."
The only parallel is media is out to bilk a story for what it is worth, no matter the story for the money.
The key difference is Anna is not mother figure or person guiding someone who wants to become President.
Steve,
See my next post. I condemned Bennett's statements as soon as I saw context, and his weak defense to defend it.
Steve,
Yes or no? Have you ever used the term sell-out or uncle tom on many folks here? Honestly answer.
"Steve, I believe Thuyen is Vietnamese"
And Tiger's a Cablinasian.
Why is he so interested in a black website?
"Bardo and CS don't believe they are either."
You just prove my point that you do accuse fellow black folks of being racist against those of their own color.
Steve,
I am interested in conservative sites because I am a CONSERVATIVE.
I post in different type of sites, political, Christian, or whatever. Or when or where the hell I want. Get over yourself.
"Yes or no? Have you ever used the term sell-out or uncle tom on many folks here?"
Not the word sellout to anyone here but yes I've called a few of them Uncle Toms.
Meant it.
But that does not translate or equate with being "racist against your own people".
Uncle Toms in my view are blacks who gleefully do the bidding and repeat the messages of white bigots.
And I put being a Christian first, then conservative, before I am Vietnamese. Heck, I put being American first before Vietnamese. Vietnamese is in my blood. But who I am as a person in values is Christian conservative who loves America.
The Wright issue was never race. Just because a black man or black men are involved does not always mean that the issue is race.
Wright has put forward crazy conspiracy theories and bitterly condemned America.
Michelle said that she was never proud of America until Barack's race for office.
Obama exacerbates the problem with the not burdening his child with a baby and bitter, clinging comments.
He didn't call Wright bitter (which he clearly is) in his Philly speech.
Revelations about Ayers subsequent to Wright and his issues with lapel pins, pledges, anthems and flags paints an unflattering picture.
A perceived (I said perceived) ingratitude, arrogance, condescension and lack of love of country are what continue to dog him not race. He won lily white Iowa, was competitive in NH and elsewhere before all of this, he was the Magic Negro (liberal black columnist David Ehrenstein's phraseology).
tvd says I was never right about Obama or his issues, then what's the truth of it. If you say it's racism, prove it!
Come to think of it, Steve is a liberal, so what is a liberal doing in a conservative site, now that Steve wants to play similar card on me?!
Craig,
I see Wright alot like I see Nancy Grace. Neither can ever admit they are wrong. Both invite media firestorm on them, then play victim of media despite the hurtful words they hurl at others. Both go out into media to try to rehab their image, only to come out looking worse than before.
The black supremacy crap this man preaches is no different from the stuff coming from the white Neo-Nazi "Christian" churches.
An Uncomfortable fact but very true
And all they had to do was apologize to those they hurt and offend with their remarks. Even when one feels one is right, just words like didn't mean to offend could have taken them alot further than blame the ones who got offended.
Thuyen,
Good analogy for Wright. Humility has to accompany public positions, especially if you wear the mantle of Christianity and most especially as a pastor.
"Good analogy for Wright. Humility has to accompany public positions, especially if you wear the mantle of Christianity and most especially as a pastor."
The names Swaggart, Bakker, etc., comes to mind. It is not so much that they have fallen that has been big story, but their lack of humility in falling that makes it huge.
Remember with Falwell & Robertson, even though they had to apologize a few days later, which they did instead of blaming society for attacking Christianity(which they often do), they blamed 9/11 on homosexuals, feminists & abortion clinics.
They didn't blame America, so they were able to rely on the fact that millions of Americans agree with them (even though they were wrong). When you GD America, very few will have your back.
"They didn't blame America, so they were able to rely on the fact that millions of Americans agree with them (even though they were wrong). When you GD America, very few will have your back."
And they made alot easier on themselves when they apologize.
Wright needs to know one thing: America is much more forgiving than he realizes. If he had apologized and seemed even remotely sincere, he would not get so much firestorm.
It is like he is glutton for more of it.
Angie,
My theory is that it was not the liberal media that got Falwell and Robertson to apologize, since I doubt either one ever listens to what the liberal media has to say.
My bet is that many Christian conservatives were livid at them for their words, too, and got on them until they apologized.
I get that feeling because I have seen Christian conservatives both in writings and those I know that strongly have harsh words about them for things like that.
Obama's problem in this late attempt to dissociate himself is that he had the chance to do this prior to his entry into this contest, at his Philly speech and just 4 days ago when he was urging us to understand Wright. He seems at best disingenuous.
Angie,
They were dead wrong!
Here is why Falwell and Robertson were wrong. One can believe based on America's sins one can judge us. But unless God comes down and tells them, they can't know if 9/11 was God judging us or removing His hand of protection from us or not based on our sins. They came dangerously close towards being more gnostic heretics than Christian with their remarks, like Wright. I am glad they apologized.
But foolish words like that do alot of damage.
Craig,
Amen, they were dead wrong, and in that case realized it, owned it, don't claimed their words were taken out of soundbites, make excuses others do it on other side of issue. They came out and apologized.
I suggest those who defend Wright take note.
[quote]I don't care if he gets he held responsible or not. The far more disturbing part is people defending his diatribes.[/quote]
Thuyen:
Actually what is worse is when THEIR CANDIDATE who they are defending has SWERVED and distanced himself from Wright.......yet they CONTINUE to defend the statements.
EITHER they have a candidate who is not grounded on any particular thing and thus doesn't see THEM (the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist Racism Chaser) as his core which he must cling to through thick and thin
OR
the followers of the guy who swerved are leveraging his campaign as an opportunity to fight their racial and ideological proxy fight against their long term enemies.
(Again the proof of their sound guidance SHOULD BE that which they have obtained in their own damned community as those who they have supported have gained power. Instead they are into increasing HEAD COUNT for the sake of head count increase and bragging rights)
"Obama's problem in this late attempt to dissociate himself is that he had the chance to do this prior to his entry into this contest, at his Philly speech and just 4 days ago when he was urging us to understand Wright. He seems at best disingenuous."
Yeah, but like, O'reilly, I kinda of admire Obama's loyalty there, on the other hand.
The one person I do like to see become President is ALAN KEYES.
Better than anything we got now from either Republican or Democrat.
[quote]Fascinating, the folks who have been to his Church, and know his works have atotally different view than the Faux News racists...[/quote]
Fascinated how THOSE WHO GO TO HIS CHURCH, despite being OPPRESSED AND VICTIMIZED by White folks are:
1) Able to buy this man a house for a cool $1.6 MILLION and get a $10 MILLION line of credit from a WHITE BANK that fronted the cash.
2) Have survived the government's attempts to kill them with the AIDS virus yet have FAILED to use their spare money that they have to build a big church and big azzed cribs on an AIDS HOSPICE for the people who are VICTIMIZED by the GOVERNMENT AIDS CONSPIRACY
2A) INSTEAD they are lobbying for THE SAME DAMNED GOVERNMENT that ran the Tuskegee Experiment on Black men to provide them with GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE!!
2B) Keep in mind that they are a LIBERATION THEOLOGY church yet they seem more DEPENDENT than ever
3) Fascinating that these RIGHT BRAINED, CREATIVE PEOPLE having learned that Black folks learn differently than Left brained/logical WHITE FOLKS weren't CREATIVE ENOUGH to think about STARTING THEIR OWN SCHOOL for the education of RIGHT BRAINED Black kids so they aren't trapped into Special Ed classes.
4) Fascinating that I haven't seen ONE DAMNED SOLAR PANEL on top of the CHURCH for the generation of electrical power. I guess they will continue to use NATURAL GAS for heat in the cold Chicago winters. Despite these resources being taken from STOLEN land in North America or STOLEN FROM places like Qatar because their REVEREND said that it was stolen......none of them put 2 and 2 together to make note that they are actually FENCING STOLEN ITEMS AS THEY CONSUME THEM.
Indeed it is all fascinating BET Uncut. In fact it is insane. This may have been when the folks of Jim Jones' church should have woken up prior to drinking the kool aide.
(Jim Jones and his affiliation with the leftist Black Church in SFO - Glide Memorial Church - Rev. Williams
http://www.donshewey.com/sex_art...cles/
glide.html
Defended Jim Jones 1 year before the little "Koolaide incident"
http://books.google.com/books?id...l=en#PPA134,M1)
CS,
The Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist Racism Chaser will have no place in an Obama administration. That's why Steve and the boys are so silent on this point.
I will not have a problem with an Obama presidency because Obama will be a figure head leader like all US presidents. This is what is scaring the hell out of our liberal friends because they think that Obama is going to be their savior incarnate and all he is going to be is just another managed presidential politician, at least Wright was surly right on this point, right Steve?
Think about it, who is the last far left liberal in the White House, Clinton NO, Carter NO, Johnson No, Kennedy No all these men governed from the middle. Obama is going to shock the hell out of some of his supporters if elected. Just like George did to the conservatives who thought he was ideologically pure.
Again, like what was displayed today Obama is going to do what his "handers" tell him to do. He wants this job and he is going to get everthing that goes with it.
Obama is associated with Wright because their both black. Obama carries the 'burden' as a black man to show white America he isn't the defiant, crazy negro. It's easy to scare white America by painting a broad racial brush that black folks are all alike. And in the case of Wright, we're all (especially Obama) just as "crazy" as him.
So, here's a question to my conservative brothas. Where's this notion that we are individuals? We aren't monolithic? We should be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin?
Now, think about that in context to Obama and what HE HAS DONE. Not Wright, but Obama.
Here's a further rub. McCain sought and received an endorsement from the nut job known as Hagee. Yet, no one attributes Hagee's views to McCain. McCain's excuse is that he condemned the remarks while accepting his endorsement. Using McCain logic, he could actively seek the endorsement of David Duke (insert any conservative radical/racist you like)as long as he denounced his comments while accepting said endorsement. And that hypocrisy has zero traction in the major media outlets or right-wing circles. Hagee didn't go after McCain. McCain went after Hagee. As I stated, race and racial priviledge play a huge roll in all of this and subsequent dust up.
The problem for Obama (and to a greater extent black people in the Unites States) isn't looked upon as an individual. He's looked at from the major media and white conservatives as the black dude who had a "crazy" black mentor.
Funny, Hillary has been with Bill for how many years? Are we to assume she's going to be Impeached if she's POTUS? She will have an affair? etc...
Do we assume McCain secretly shares the same opinion of Catholicism as Hagee? That he shares his other views because he sought this man?
To say such things publically with any degree of sincerity would invite public ridicule. Why? We look at whites as individuals. Furthermore, the actions of one white individual never indights the entire white race. To say otherwise to the dominant society would be deemed racist. So, I ask. Why is that not the case here?
uptownsteve wrote
"Steve, I believe Thuyen is Vietnamese"
And Tiger's a Cablinasian.
Why is he so interested in a black website?"
Thuyen wrote "Come to think of it, Steve is a liberal, so what is a liberal doing in a conservative site, now that Steve wants to play similar card on me?!"
Maybe uptownsteve wasn't thinking.
"Using McCain logic, he could actively seek the endorsement of David Duke (insert any conservative radical/racist you like)as long as he denounced his comments while accepting said endorsement. And that hypocrisy has zero traction in the major media outlets or right-wing circles. Hagee didn't go after McCain. McCain went after Hagee. As I stated, race and racial priviledge play a huge roll in all of this and subsequent dust up."
I consider Hagee worse than Wright because Hagee does it to fellow Christians in terms of accusing them of antisemitism over not holding to same eschatalogy as Hagee does. And, now, Hagee is accused of antisemitism (the ultimate irony, and I am LOVING it).
But to what extent is Hagee is bad or worse than Wright otherwise?
Does Hagee throw around conspiracy theory charges at the US government to the level same as charging it with creating AIDs to kill a race of people or distribute drugs to them?
Does he slur different races at different times as Wright did Jews, Italians, and whites?
Does he passes around memo at his church accusing a race of planning genoicide against another race as in Jews planning race bomb against Palestinians?
If race and privilege plays a role, where are both factors when Lott went down for the count over one toast to Thurmond, which people used that to accuse Lott of racism? And we are talking about one time most powerful Republican outside of the Presidency here! And on ONE soundbite Lott lost his reputation and position of authority!
Hagee is seen as nowhere as bad as Duke. Duke stands for white racism.
Outside of him belonging to a violent group that in the past is known for terrorism and thuggery (KKK), the average person is not going to see a whole lot of difference between Duke and Wright. You might think it is unfair, but that is how many, even some blacks, see it.
Hagee stands for fringe preacher and to some, racist against Jews. And among plenty of Christian conservatives, a fringe preacher at best. Wright stands not only as a racist, but also as a race baiter, and as someone who accuses the US many times of things he can't prove. So he also comes off as anti-American on top of the many other offensive things he is seen as guilty of.
And he mentors someone who wants to be President for 20 years, married him and his wife, baptized his kids.
Yes, McCain should be criticized for seeking someone as nutty as Hagee.
But there is no moral equivolence between seeking a support of an at best fringe, and at worst, antisemitic preacher and being under guidance for 20 years of someone who is not only seen as antisemitic, but also anti-white, anti-Italian, anti-America, and race baiter all packed in one.
And if that is your best defense for Wright, it shows why even Obama turned against Wright.
That is because Wright is indefensible.
And trying to thtow in moral equivolences which will be seen as weak, only is basically diverting criticism.
And to the extent you wish to say the only reason why Wright is under criticism, along his protege Obama, is because they are both black, and those doing it are white, ignores the inconvenient truth:
Wright offended MANY segments of the population not just whites.
The more you defend Wright like this the more you prove why Wright was the villain that he is in this story.
And Wright might not be part of a terrorist group. But he supports and distributes propaganda on behalf of a terrorist group- Hamas.
Like I said, it is not just a black vs white thing as you want to play that card.
If you want that card it would be more like racist blacks against other blacks who think differently (see his attacks on those like Condi Rice), against whites, against Jews, against Italians, against American government, etc.
The race card actually works against you, in this case.
If Hagee can do better at offending that many segments of the population, let me know.
I will volunteer to take that loonie psycho down myself.
"I will volunteer to take that loonie psycho down myself."
As in embarrassing the heck out of Hagee before his own ministry even.
[quote]CS,
The Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist Racism Chaser will have no place in an Obama administration. That's why Steve and the boys are so silent on this point.
I will not have a problem with an Obama presidency because Obama will be a figure head leader like all US presidents.[/quote]
Larry The Tar Heel:
As I listened to the "Commercial Obama Campaign" today on two different Black Talk radio shows - a local one and the Ballentine show I came to the following conclusion about the DISCOMBOBULATED STATE of the POPULAR Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chaser:
You see on the one hand they SHOUT that AMERICA IS A RACIST NATION founded on THUGISM, THEFT, OPPRESSION and that this system is RACIST AND FOUL at its core.
On the other hand they aspire to have OBAMA be their "BLACK GUY who is in runn'in thangs now"....we'll show deez white folks who's in charge now!"
They fail to see the incestuous position that they place themselves in. As AMERICA "shows its true face" - meaning the Right Wing White folks attack Obama......they are brought to see (in their minds) that AMERICA HAS NOT CHANGED ONE BIT....'they ain't neva gonna let a N__ga run this country".
They are unable to mesh this with unwillingness to follow the schedule of THE WHITE MAN - as was said so many times today by so many different people.
You see they figure that it is ENOUGH to bring up "OFFENDING WHITE FOLKS" as a means of fighting back against the "Right Wing Onslaught". Again it is WHITE FOLKS that Obama needs to have their "BLACK DREAMS accomplished. (Kinda like Affirmation Action you know).
Why is it that they can't see that their position is a FUNDAMENTAL CONTRADICTION? For Obama to win he needs to be an "INSIDE MAN". He needs to prove that he is an AMERICAN GUY rather than a BLACK OPERATIVE. Indeed he is going to have to distance himself from the RADICALS. (I have a blog entry brewing about my radio monitoring of a Black PROGRESSIVE radio show and its utter ridiculousness)
For ME - I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER!
As a Black man who have been subject to attack on various Black Left Wing message boards over the years. As a Black man who have seen people use the word AmeriKKKa in the same sentence that they DEMANDED FREE health care, JOBS, and FREE QUALITY education in the same sentence that they SPAT upon her.......it is good to finally see a similar BLACK LEFTIST receive his "come up'ins".
Maybe.
Just MAYBE - the next time one of their kindred spirits commits SLANDER for the purposes of a malicious attack rather than any substantive objective AND THEN he or one of his cohorts seek A POSITION that requires COMMON ACCEPTANCE across the racial and ideological divide.......maybe the next time they WON'T HAVE TO "CLAIM" THAT THEY WERE NOT PRESENT TO HEAR......they will CHECK their EXTREMIST BROTHEREN at the giddy up!!!!
What a great deal!!!
Here's the deal why I find the charges of white media conspiracy against Obama and Wright truly unbelievable. It took almost a year for the story to break about nature of Obama's church after the primary campaigns already started. If this story had broken at the beginning, most likely Obama would have lost before he got a chance to get going.
And don't tell me people don't know in the media about the church. I can list a few conservative websites that knew a year or two ago about the church.
The media enabled Obama as far as it could until all these sermons started showing up and no one can cover anymore.
And that let people into glimpse deeper into what Obama's church is like. And also start asking questions about who Obama really is, in ways they don't need to with either Clinton or McCain (since the latter two have been around a long time, and people have seen pretty much the bad and good spots of both).
I do believe Obama is legitimately angry with Wright. I saw his response today. Probably he was lying about not knowing what Wright said in his sermons since the two are close. But Wright did disrespect him on several interviews already. So that part I don't think is an act. And Obama looked tired. That does not look like an act either.
“If race and privilege plays a role, where are both factors when Lott went down for the count over one toast to Thurmond, which people used that to accuse Lott of racism? And we are talking about one time most powerful Republican outside of the Presidency here! And on ONE soundbite Lott lost his reputation and position of authority”!
Here’s the problem with your example. Lott gave a toast to a known former segregationist and said ‘we wouldn’t have the problems we have now if her had been elected’. Strom was a racist during the time frame Lott was alluding to. There was absolutely nothing to be taken out of context considering it’s a historical FACT that Strom was a segregationist at the time Lott was referring to. Furthermore, he could never explain what “problems” he was referring to in a reasoned manner. There was nothing to dispute.
“Outside of him belonging to a violent group that in the past is known for terrorism and thuggery (KKK), the average person is not going to see a whole lot of difference between Duke and Wright. You might think it is unfair, but that is how many, even some blacks, see it”.
It’s not a case of me feeling it’s unfair. I just pointed out how it‘s a view that lacks any historical context which is what makes it invalid. Just because people think a certain way doesn’t mean it’s backed up by sound logic let alone reason.
“But there is no moral equivolence between seeking a support of an at best fringe, and at worst, antisemitic preacher and being under guidance for 20 years of someone who is not only seen as antisemitic, but also anti-white, anti-Italian, anti-America, and race baiter all packed in one”.
You downplay how radical Hagee really is. You downplay, let alone never ask, why McCain would actively SEEK such a person and want to curry favor with them KNOWING what he has said. Furthermore, the implication you’ve made based on the “relationship” of Wright and Obama is that Obama knew Wright was a “racist” (as you described) and stayed with him all those years. The implication being that Obama obviously shared some of those views over those “20 years”. Although Obama has never demonstrated that he shared those views (or hated half of himself because he’s half white). The “20 years” is used to assign blame to Obama without any evidence to back it up based on Obama's own words and deeds. We do know McCain was fully aware of what Hagee has said and went after his endorsement. He doesn’t have to be under his guidance. That actually makes it worse. McCain had NO relationship with the man and sought one. Hagee wasn’t a friend or mentor who later said those things.
this usa cultural critic had no intention of voting for 'team obama' at this stage in his political development
but there is no way for me to believe that 'team obama' did not 'fully know' rev wright's opinion about the usa government: right or wrong...
this critic would have more respect for 'team obama'...
if he had confessed to finding such opinions interesting during his first 5 to 10 to 15 yrs of attending that church...
but had grown more mature & came to understand the error of his thinking as it relates to the usa...
due to the total reality of the usa over the last 20 to 30 to 40 yrs on 'all' fronts...
that would have shown true maturity, political & intellectual growth...
today: 'team obama' failed on that point very badly
...priceless!!!
dirtyblues
I agree 100 percent with what you said.
But let's remember Obama is still a novice. A seasoned veteran in battle for Presidency would not make these mistakes. So I kinda of put that more to his inexperience to this rigorous campaigns for Presidency than to personal maturity.
"Here’s the problem with your example. Lott gave a toast to a known former segregationist and said ‘we wouldn’t have the problems we have now if her had been elected’. Strom was a racist during the time frame Lott was alluding to. There was absolutely nothing to be taken out of context considering it’s a historical FACT that Strom was a segregationist at the time Lott was referring to. Furthermore, he could never explain what “problems” he was referring to in a reasoned manner. There was nothing to dispute."
I didn't dispute anything.
I am simply using your own arguments against you.
You insist that we can't look at a man by soundbites. We do it on Lott based on ONE. In other words, it only is wrong if done to Lott but wrong if done to Wright. Basically, it becomes wrong based on whose actions we don't like rather than based on consistency of argument that we need to look at whole person be it Lott or Wright over entire career.
And I have no problem with Lott going based on soundbites. Neither did the Republicans.
But now that it is on Wright rather than on Lott, you make excuses.
the rev wright 'speaking tour'...
it is simply the most wonderful thing to happen in so-called usa 'black america' over the last 30 yrs...
rev wright is very simply expressing the opinions held by most usa blacks about the usa government...
right or wrong: most usa blacks feel 'hate' for the government of their birth...
& pray that the combined 'powers of the universe' brings the usa to its knees -- in a hail of fire & brimestone -- for its !!!SINS!!!
the non-usa world that hates the 'usa, its government & its people' now see that it has many potential allies among the usa black population...
this usa cultural critic is certain that the various terrorist groups aroung the world will be adding the 'good right' rev wright's idea to their next 'audio/video' transmissions...
urging usa blacks to attack the usa from within...
...priceless!!!
Ok, first you argue that we can't judge what a person say based on soundbites. But you also want it to where you say others are doing it and they are not being called to account. That is wanting it both ways.
On the one hand, you say we can't say if Wright is racist or wrong based on what he said in soundbites, but you are more than willing to point to what others say in soundbites to say they are racists or whatever.
And if Wright is not wrong or racist in what he say, then why say others are doing it?
You would have been better off just saying he got taken out of context (whatever that means since neither you nor any of his defenders ever attempt to define it, and the claims those who refute him never look at his whole sermon is bunk and very patently untrue) and say that he is not guilty whereas others are. But you are left saying others are no different from him and did not get called on.
If he is taken out of context (which his display as the press place disprove your claim there anyways), then those others you say are so bad are not like him.
It is wanting it both ways.
And it is age old tactic- deflect, cast blame on others who do same instead of looking at what one did at the moment, etc. The stuff kids do when caught and try to get out punishment with parents and principals.
Not what grown men are supposed to do.
"You downplay how radical Hagee really is. You downplay, let alone never ask, why McCain would actively SEEK such a person and want to curry favor with them KNOWING what he has said."
I downplay Hagee being a radical?
You might like to be clued in what I really think of Hagee?
A heretic? Yes.
A jerk? Most definitely.
A race baiter? Very much so against fellow Christians.
How am I minimizing that idiot's behaviour? I even cite things he did that you don't bring up, to express my contempt for him, and you claim I say he is less radical?
Come on now.
I said it before, and I say it again: I AM GLEEFUL THE LIBERALS ARE GOING AFTER HIM AND WISH SOME CONSERVATIVES PILE ON THAT DEGENERATE HAGEE.
"It’s not a case of me feeling it’s unfair. I just pointed out how it‘s a view that lacks any historical context which is what makes it invalid. Just because people think a certain way doesn’t mean it’s backed up by sound logic let alone reason."
And no one has provided sound logic or reason to defend Wright when it is pointed out where he offended and where he was wrong and where his claims on history are bunk. That has been done plenty of time. So the statement his statements are taken out of context are just empty claims and exactly what you accused others of doing- not giving sound logic or reason.
Shall we rehash all his errors which are legion that puts him in the company of fundies like Dave Hunt?
@ Soulbrother | 04.29.08 - 6:23 pm | #
*standing applauding*
cosign 110%
Here is a simple lesson. When a person is caught doing something wrong, the last thing people want to hear is excuses or shifting blame or deflecting criticism. It does not work.
Just ask Roger Clemens that. He does the same thing, and look where it got him with the public?
Thuyen,
"Thuyen wrote "Come to think of it, Steve is a liberal, so what is a liberal doing in a conservative site, now that Steve wants to play similar card on me?!"
But I'm not a liberal.
You clowns just view any black who recognizes that America still has a race problem as a "liberal".
Why are some people still focused on Rev. Wright and his comments? People need to let it go and focus on more important issues like the high gasoline and food prices. Most citizens are hurting by the bad Economy that's taking place in the United States and the trillion dollar deficit we are in.The motive for the distraction.
The great game being camoflaged by domestic coonshow antics.
Okay, I think the classic matchup is taking place with an all too predictable scenario at work: the dems and GOP desperately finding ways to loose the general election.
Obama is the guy who could have politely severed his relationship with Pastor Wright without damaging that relationship AND still keeping a large measure of credibility with black folks with nationalist leanings as well as the liberal whites. IDIOT!!!!
Hillary is the one who is trying to further alienate the Dem voting base and black folks with race card inferences and trying to get the superdelegates to undermine the will of the people.
McCain is the guy who won't go negative while trying to appeal to the GOP base by being a left of center Republican.
Bob Barr is the former republican who wants to run as a libertarian which will doom the McCain campaign to failure.
This happens every presidential election.
"Obama is the guy who could have politely severed his relationship with Pastor Wright without damaging that relationship AND still keeping a large measure of credibility with black folks with nationalist leanings as well as the liberal whites."
Al, PUH-LEEZE.
When the Wright issue first arose, Obama said he didn't agree with the remarks being widely broadcast in the press.
The white press, liberal but especially rightwing went "ALL WRIGHT ALL THE TIME" in deliberate attempt to marginalize Obama.
No white candidate is ever subject to this kind of treatment. EVER.
This is done only to blacks.
The denouncement game.
cnulan
Thanks for that link.
[quote]But I'm not a liberal.
You clowns just view any black who recognizes that America still has a race problem as a "liberal".[/quote]
This is what UptownSteve said.
This is as empty and uncontextualized as BET Uncut's post yesterday that said 'THERE IS STILL RACISM IN AMERICA'!!!
Indeed there is a "race problem in America". When has there NOT BE.
Worse - when do you envision when there WILL NOT BE?
But now let's ask ourselves:
In 2007 was the biggest threat to Black people:
The race problem?
OR
1) The 7000 homicides, 91% of them being black on black?
2) The crabs in the barrel syndrome in our schools where those who are rogue students have the power to drag so many others with potential down to their level by disrupting class and enforcing an anti-intellectual culture?
I can go on and on and on.
There is no point where Steve and BET Uncut will look at the fact that ACTING UPON RACISM by violently attacking a Black man is illegal and today is PUNISHABLE unlike the past.
You are NOT going to get them to yield that today they have the LAW ON THEIR SIDE as protection to now EXECUTE their EFFECTIVE STRATEGY TO ALLOW BLACK PEOPLE TO PROGRESS.
Instead what we see is that RACISM CHASING IS THEIR STRATEGY!!!! Theirs is not an ORGANIC one. You remove them from this greater oppressive society and then expect them to blossom absent the threat that they most chase after - you see them COLLAPSE as a result rather than PROSPER.
It is truly sad.
I had to go back and read Soulbrother's comments from 6:23pm. If Roderick applauded them.....you know that they were untimely statements.
[quote]So, here's a question to my conservative brothas. Where's this notion that we are individuals? We aren't monolithic? We should be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin?[/quote]
This is quite ridiculous SB. These were NOT Obama's "racist parents" which he had no decision to be born to. This is a church of 20 years by choice!!!!! Obama can't one day say that this is the man who lead me so far and so intimately on the one hand and then YOU claim the INDIVIDUAL on the next.
This INDIVIDUAL made a CHOICE. The clowning that Wright showed at the NPC is the same clowning that appeared on many of the TAPES in question.
[quote]Here's a further rub. McCain sought and received an endorsement from the nut job known as Hagee. Yet, no one attributes Hagee's views to McCain. McCain's excuse is that he condemned the remarks while accepting his endorsement. Using McCain logic, he could actively seek the endorsement of David Duke (insert any conservative radical/racist you like)as long as he denounced his comments while accepting said endorsement. And that hypocrisy has zero traction in the major media outlets or right-wing circles. Hagee didn't go after McCain. McCain went after Hagee. As I stated, race and racial priviledge play a huge roll in all of this and subsequent dust up.[/quote]
SoulBrother #1 - Hagee must stand and account for his FOOLISHNESS just as much as Wright does for his own.
BUT understand the difference SoulBrother - and I am not gonna tell you again. Let us reference these differences from a BLACK PERSPECTIVE - which is all that you and I have influence over.
The same people who ATTACK AND CONDEMN Hagee as a right wing bigot and yield no credibility to him.......are the same people who ACCEPT AND DEFEND REVEREND WRIGHT when he commits his offense!!!!
It is interesting that you attempt to get the mythical force of the 'Black conservative' to recognize this double standard and to do the same with WHITE AMERICA. Why are you so loathed to point out the same among the BQPFRCs?
This is not a SUBTRACTIVE exercise SoulBrother. You are not going to SHAME White folks into voting for Barack Obama by pointing out what WHITE FOLKS DO. Instead you need to show that YOU ARE ORGANICALLY willing to condemn ignorance and malicious speech AS SOON AS IT IS SAID rather than when you are backed into a corner and then having to respond in kind.
You have failed to do this.
OBAMA has failed to do this.
THIS is why this issue is where it is to-damned-day.
I was wrong. Wright should have just sat down shut up and left bad enough alone......instead he chose to expound on and "clarify" some of his more nutty ideas......the saving grace for Obama is that he is now able to step comepletely away from Wright with no consequences in the black community.
Sorry steve, its a universal law - A "sure thing" will almost always find a way to sabotage itself. Obama seemed assured of a victory in November but he had to find a way to sabotage it.
Imagine what could have been if, prior to the primary season, Obama quietly left the church and issued a disagreement with Pastor Wright. There would be no need for a tacit denounciation of Wright's comments. What on Earth was Obama doing in 1984 when Jesse underwent the same drama? Obama was clearly not paying attention.
Obama-mania has worn off because of Obama, no one else.
When that whistle blows and ball is kicked off, you need to make your tackles and blocks. You just can't daydream and sit on a pitch on a full count. That's like conceding the puck at center ice without ever touching the ice with your stick. Obama can't just sit there and let the guy have the lane. When you play, you have to eliminate as many mistakes as you can - especially the silly ones. This was clearly a situational state of mind that Obama foolishly ignored.
[QUOTE]The great game being camoflaged by domestic coonshow antics.[/QUOTE]
cnulan - I will ask you just as I asked a liberal homosexual on a different blog site earlier today:
As you point out the high price of gasoline can we go a bit deeper and inspect the POLICIES that you are willing to support as a means of reducing the supply/demand imbalance and the source problem?
Cnulan are you in SUPPORT OF?
1) Increasing domestic oil exploration as a means of increasing the control over our own supplies? ie: drilling in ANWAR
2) Allowing new refineries to be built. In addition to the oil price increases the lack of refining capacity has also translated into increased prices at the pump
3) Allowing more nuclear power plants to be constructed. Oil and natural gas powered plants have their costs fluctuate based on the costs of the energy that they use to power their plants.
4) Allow for more coal fired plants to be built that have the latest scrubbers added. We have more than 250 years of coal in the ground under our feet in our own nation.
cnulan - do you see that the milieu of remaining on the SURFACE of a conflict but not digging deeper to talk about more exacting details has certain people thinking "if we just put a democrat/republican in office THIS will make things better". (this is the operating thesis of BET Uncut).
Al,
I wouldn't underestimate Obama at this point. He's made mistakes, but he has been deft at responding too them. As a matter of fact I think that ability in him is his biggest asset. He never seen to get thrown off course for very long and his responses are always measured, logical and calming. He has an amazing abililty to put people at ease. He is just genuinely likable. That is huge. The Rev. Wright thing wa a big mistake. No matter if people think it is being made a bigger deal because he is black; Obama is black, etc. He had to know it was coming. As a presidential candidate you simple can't have someon that contraversial in your inner circle and not expect it to come to light and be made an issue at some point. He made a mistake in not distancing himself earlier, especially since he himself had tied himself so closely to Wright. However if the way he has handled prblems in this campaign so far is any indication, he will get back on stride and given the situation the country is in at this point, he is still the odds on favorite to win i November.
Thuyen writes: "Here is a simple lesson. When a person is caught doing something wrong, the last thing people want to hear is excuses or shifting blame or deflecting criticism. It does not work.
Several weeks ago I mentioned that Obama "disqualified" himself from the presidential running. At the time I wrote this I think he was talking about his grandmother being a "typical white woman".
Political candidates come a dime a dozen. Most voters look for ways to disqualify a candidate, rather than to look for reasons to support a candidate; it's a lot easier culling the herd.
Candidates who make excuses for their actions have to hope that the opposition also has to makes excuses to preserve the equilibrium.
elb
"No matter if people think it is being made a bigger deal because he is black; Obama is black, etc. He had to know it was coming."
INTERESTING.
'Cuz I remember you saying that blacks were just being paranoid and setting up "racism" excuses if Obama didn't win the nomination.
Now that lynching party shows up as we knew it would, you say Obama "should have known it was coming".
LOL!!!!
There goes that consistency thing.
I have mized feelings about what Wright did a few days ago.
On the one hand, it looks like he threw Obama under the bus and was selfishly trying to get limelight.
ON the other hand, he is still a pastor and still has a forum to speak, and he would be a hypocrite if he said anything other than what he believes, not to mention a liar. And if he does not speak when he has a forum and when asked, he would be seen as running from what he said, which in the past, he has been rightfully accused of.
So we can't have it both ways there as conservatives.
We can criticize what he actually said. And if he did indeed to throw his friend under the bus, he deserves condemnation.
But if it is true motive to be a man of God, though his words reflect anything but from a man of God IMO, I actually can't say I have no respect for that. I can say I don't respect the claims he made that are false. I can say I can't respect the slurs and racism he spewed. I can say I can't respect his support for terrorist and racist hate groups.
But I can't say he is wrong to speak what he believes when given a forum if he did it with intent to speak in prophetic tradition he claims is the case about himself.
He is still wrong it seems to claim he speaks for black church and that criticism of him is attack on black church.
But if that is what he really believes and he is doing it because he wants to preach the truth, not any revenge at Obama, then I can't really say I have no respect for that.
Al,
Let's put it this way. Obama, even with all these controversies around him (not counting Wright even), he is ahead of Hilary.
Just think how good he really will be when he puts all this behind him, learns his lesson, and don't make the same mistakes.
I think even if he does not become President, he will be a major force to be reckoned with for years to come.
I do wish he changes his views on some things like abortion, because I don't personally dislike him.
"Candidates who make excuses for their actions have to hope that the opposition also has to makes excuses to preserve the equilibrium."
People need to look at the case of Roger Clemens for this. White folks who take center stage who use these kinds of excuses won't hear the end of it from the media for a long, long, long time, too.
How come Clemens hasn't been indicted, like Barry Bonds.
"How come Clemens hasn't been indicted, like Barry Bonds."
Do you know how long it took for Bonds to get indicated? Years, after investigations.
It has been like less than a year since Clemens situation broke.
Give it some time.
Clemens is as much a pariah in baseball as is Bonds.
No team will touch either one of them.
Jimmy Carter attended a segregated church while running for President.
Ronald Reagan was formally endorsed by the KKK and kicked off his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS, the site of the murders of 3 Civil rights workers.
The double standard here is so obvious.
I will lay out the truth for Wright defenders that is same truth Jim Rome has to say about Clemens or Bonds: "the cover-up is worse than the crime itself."
That is why we got where we got with Wright. Excuses made, deflecting criticism, blame games, etc.
Cultural Strategist
"This is not a SUBTRACTIVE exercise SoulBrother. You are not going to SHAME White folks into voting for Barack Obama by pointing out what WHITE FOLKS DO. Instead you need to show that YOU ARE ORGANICALLY willing to condemn ignorance and malicious speech AS SOON AS IT IS SAID rather than when you are backed into a corner and then having to respond in kind".
Translation: As a black person you have to be the exception not the rule.
Steve,
And it exists on your side, too.
People defend Wright on grounds he was attacked based on soundbites but have no problem doing it to others based on soundbites they don't like.
Worse, they in many cases say Wright speak the truth in soundbites so basically conceding he meant as he said in soundbites, while playing game we can't judge accuracy of what he said in soundbites.
They will excuse his racialist overtones while condemning in others.
Your side is loaded with double standards.
@ Soulbrother | 04.29.08 - 6:23 pm | #
*standing applauding*
cosign 110%
Roderick | 04.29.08 - 10:49 pm | #
I think that's a first. Thank you! 
elb,
I like Obama in the championship but fans should be concerned. The idea that McCain's gameplay might be stale because he clinched early is, in my opinion, overblown. It gives the folks at Team McCain a chance to heal and devise strategy. We could see a situation with a tired Obama versus a well rested McCain - if he gets that far. Obama is still playing for a spot in the big game and, in order to do this, he has to weather Hillary's brutal gameplay. She's about smashmouth and will play all four quarters. She's gonna keep Obama honest on both sides of the ball and that's grueling.
Then there is Obama. He has a good lineup. The bottom of his order can bat at the top of anyone else's order but there are problems. His defense is weak up the middle, base runners are taking advantage and stealing, and his bullpen can't get to the closer. Up until recently, he's been able to get by on offense but you know the old adage - In the regular season its about hitting, in the post season its all about pitching and defense (Remember the Reds against the A's?).
I predict that Obama is gonna stagger into the Orange Bowl but his linemen are gonna be quite beaten and in need of rest. McCain will exploit that but McCain's offense seems to not have that killer instinct. In the regular season, he wasn't tested the way Obama was. I have concerns about his ability to execute in the red zone. He is one of those teams that you have intangible doubts about.
And speaking of intangibles, this IS Obama's gift. He will come off the bench and give you fits, and this has a way of energizing the crowd. If this happens, he can regain that momentum that he had earlier and this can be a problem for McCain. He needs to find a way to keep the crowd out of this.
I like Obama in the end but he is no longer the favorite.
And let's remember one thing- Carter was liberal Democrat, not conservative. So why do blacks support Democrats there then?
And we live in the age of the internet.
15 years ago I doubt many of us would have heard of Wright at this point in the campaign trail.
"Do you know how long it took for Bonds to get indicated? Years, after investigations."
That's my whole point.
Why weren't they pursuing Clemens with the same energy with which they went after Bonds?
Clemens was winning a record number of Cy Young awards and throwing 90 mile + fastballs in his mid 40s.
C'mon.
Steve,
"And it exists on your side, too.
People defend Wright on grounds he was attacked based on soundbites but have no problem doing it to others based on soundbites they don't like."
You still don't get it.
Why is Wright even an issue?
He's not running for President.
"Why weren't they pursuing Clemens with the same energy with which they went after Bonds?"
Are you kidding me?
Clemens is called to the stand alot. He is getting ripped apart by those in our government. Jim Rome and other members of the media are tearing him apart. Now there are allegations of him being a pedophile used to booster accusation he is guilty as sin and needs to sit behind bars for perjury.
Since people want to talk about as if Obama gets ripped apart for associations, let's remember Bill Clinton got the same treatment especially when he first ran for President.
People defend Wright on grounds he was attacked based on soundbites but have no problem doing it to others based on soundbites they don't like."
And the examples you gave were soundbites from politcians. You have yet to give one example of a pastor who's made comments a politician is held responsible for.
Since people want to talk about as if Obama gets ripped apart for associations, let's remember Bill Clinton got the same treatment especially when he first ran for President.
Thuyen | 04.30.08 - 10:38 am | #
Is Hillary?
Thuyen, I gotta go with steve on this one. The Bond's criticism was more brutal than that of Clemens. Bonds brought some of it on himself in the way he treated the media in the past but I think the media went way overboard.
I think another problem was the hypocrisy involved in the entire sterioid issue. It would have made more sense is ALL SPORTS were focused upon at the same time. I understand the angst towards cheating but they also need to focus on 325 pound guys with a 7 percent body fact reading, who have quads the size of tree trunks.
You still don't get it.
Why is Wright even an issue?
He's not running for President.
uptownsteve | Homepage | 04.30.08 - 10:36 am | #
No, the major media and white conservatives are running him for scariest negro of the year.
" And let's remember one thing- Carter was liberal Democrat, not conservative. So why do blacks support Democrats there then?"
CARTER WAS NOT A LIBERAL.
Exactly why Kennedy challenged him in the 1980 primaries.
"No, the major media and white conservatives are running him for scariest negro of the year."
Exactly.
"I think another problem was the hypocrisy involved in the entire sterioid issue. It would have made more sense is ALL SPORTS were focused upon at the same time. I understand the angst towards cheating but they also need to focus on 325 pound guys with a 7 percent body fact reading, who have quads the size of tree trunks."
Personally, I am libertarian on these things, so NEITHER Bonds nor Clemens should be indicated.
My take is let baseball and all these sports clean up their own mess.
I blame baseball and those sports that allow cheating to go on.
The real hypocrisy is in baseball knowing all this and now acting in shock when it comes to light about all these players.
Pathetic.
You know shay, this question was asked recently, I can't recall by whom:
Why is there firstly, a Jewish Holocaust Memorial Museum on the National Memorial Mall in Washington DC, and not an American Indian Holocaust Memorial Museum built first on the National Memorial Mall, and then built second, a Middle-Passage Holocaust Memorial Museum on the National Memorial Mall?
The answer is as the Reverend Jeremiah Wright has stated, "this white boi likes to pretend that his hands are clean."
Again, and again, Negroe people, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright is on time, right on time. Those who do not know their history are doomed to have that history repeated upon them.
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"Bonds brought some of it on himself in the way he treated the media in the past but I think the media went way overboard."
I think media doing same to Clemens, who has not treated media that way in past.
They both brought that on themselves.
Look at Jim Rome show daily. It seems like all he talks about these days is Clemens. Clemens like the best thing that can happen to Bonds. Just as Bonds is best thing that can happen to Macguire.
I think the latter should be indicated, too, if the law is going to be fair. And Steve would have a much bigger case there, and I would AGREE.
Regardless, the law in this case BITES.
"Is Hillary?"
EVERYONE knows pretty much who Hiliary and Bill are. People went through their past for 8 years while Bill was President.
Obama's past has been looked at for at best one year.
Personally, in terms of character, Obama trumps Hilary, even Wright thing.
My fear is Obama's judgment, not his character, because of Wright issue. Obama did not really display bad character, at least not any worse than any average politician.
Thuyen, I agree with the libertarian position on performance enhancing drugs in this respect - there should be a forum in which these drugs are allowed.
What I don't like about MLBs approach to this is that they made a ton of money off the steroid era and pretend that they too did not benefit from "cheating". If MLB decides to return that money back to the fans OR give it to charity, then they won't appear to be hypocrites.
"The answer is as the Reverend Jeremiah Wright has stated, "this white boi likes to pretend that his hands are clean.""
No one is pretending white men has his hands clean.
But like Juan Williams (I think that's him) point out, if you make outrageous claims like US government invents AIDs, you better have solid proof for it.
Merely saying white men or US government does not have hands clean don't cut it.
Thuyen, are you familiar with the words?:
NGười , NGười Kinh, NGười Việt
Words that start with N, such as in NHongo or NiHongo, often say a lot about the anthropology of a people.
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[quote]Gravatar How come Clemens hasn't been indicted, like Barry Bonds.[/quote]
BECAUSE HE IS WHITE STEVE!!!
Undercover......
"Obama's in damage control mode now and doing what he can to salvage his campaign.
Whereas negroes like you and jensdaddy follow the sound of massas voice simply cuz it makes you happy."
I guess you forgot to ignore me as you appear to once again be communicating to me via posts to other folks.
Just like you......
Perhaps you have also forgotten that I have always stated right here that I will vote for Obama should he win the nomination.
I know you want me baby, but I ain't down with you Undercover!!!!!!
Are you still ignoring me like Dwight and Andrew from The Office? SHUNNED.......unshunned! SHUNNED.......unshunned!
You truly are a perfect stereotype for all of us UndercoverStevie!!!
"BECAUSE HE IS WHITE STEVE!!!"
You're finally learning.
LOL!!!
[quote]Ronald Reagan was formally endorsed by the KKK and kicked off his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS, the site of the murders of 3 Civil rights workers.[/quote]
Jesus - this lie will endure forever.
You know what Steve I have an alternative for you to chew on.
Where as racist Ronald Reagan is called out for visiting Philadelphia Mississippi 16 years after the deadly event in which 3 civil rights workers were killed but he never mentioned the event........
In 2008 there have been TWO DEMOCRATIC DEBATES in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. In neither event nor at Obama's "race speech" held there did any of the beloved Democrats MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF BLACK MEN who were killed on the streets of Philadelphia since the time of the incident in Philly MS.
Sadly for Steve and others they HATE REAGAN more than they love themselves.
And you love Massa Reagan more than you love yourself.
The pervsersity of the whole thing is that you don't have any idea how bizarre that is.
A LIE you say?
The only people still trying to spin this are silly rightwing negroes like you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...h?v=eX_eTDP-
CSg
"In neither event nor at Obama's "race speech" held there did any of the beloved Democrats MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF BLACK MEN who were killed on the streets of Philadelphia since the time of the incident in Philly MS."
blah, blah, blah
You gotta come up with a different rant.
This one is old and tired.
Most inner city homicides are intermural violence between criminals, gangsters and drug dealers.
Change the conditions, create more access to opportunity and behavior will change.
"CARTER WAS NOT A LIBERAL.
Exactly why Kennedy challenged him in the 1980 primaries."
LIES!!!!!!!!
Classic Undercover LIE meant to prop up his ever-growing list of false assumptions and deceit.
Carter was a liberal, and Kennedy, much like today, was a radical leftist kook. Of course, to undercover, if you are not left of Marx you are not a liberal!!!!
c'mon steve, you cannot constantly apply a race litmus test to republicans, that's insane. Here is my point: There are many people who find Wright's views on America and American history to be inaccurate and "over the top" yet they do not let that interfere with the support they have for him and his church. There is more to Wright than a few speeches. The same is true for Reagan as well.
For some people, race is not the ultimate reality.
The diaphonous justifications continue...
As SB so eloquently points out - the issue isn't race...
Sadly - the motivation is.
Kudos to the SB post - Soulbrother | 04.29.08 - 10:09 pm | #
Lott's problems ran a lot deeper than just the one comment. There was the past and current association with "The NAtionalist Party" in Mississippi, where his daughter is a senior party member. The Nationalist party is the political arm of the KKK, and currently strongly supports former RNC Chair Haley Barbour. Barbour has appeared at a number of C of CC events, as well as made speeches.
Lott further has extensive connections with the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is the KKK in suits. He is also a neo-confederate, having written articles for neo-confederate publications.
http://www.adl.org/MWD/ccc.asp
Equating Rev Wright, under any interpretation of anything he's said...
Is a joke. Mayhaps our "history teacher" needs to go back and read about what the KKK actually is.
"Most inner city homicides are intermural violence between criminals, gangsters and drug dealers."
Yeah....undercover is right. those aren't black folks killing each other in the neighborhoods that undercover bailed on.
Whatever........
Must be nice to have that point of view from your suburban ivory tower as you plant your flowerbeds and mean-mug all the white children riding their bikes in front of your house. I imagine you see them as the spawn of the MAN who kept you down once upon a time.
Yet, your dismissal of the black thug that is killing the other black thugs as being "just a subset of criminals that are not representative of black folks" makes you look beyond silly.
I think that the suburban living is making you turn into the very type of white person you can't stand. Soon you will have to start calling yourself out!!!!
Meanwhile blacks are killing blacks at alarming numbers in inner cities around this country. And once again you selfishly dismiss the worth of thousands of blacks that you left behind in your haste to "get away from it all"!!!!!
Like any other white guy, Undercover believes that we should ignore the problem and just let the thugs conduct their business of killing and crime in their ghetto shanty towns.....
....away from him mind you.
Al sez - "For some people, race is not the ultimate reality."
From a self described former NOI, who decided to live in the "black community"...
That's an amusing hypocrisy, Al.
Mayhaps you meant "RACISM is not the ultimate reality"?
FauxPops squals - "But like Juan Williams (I think that's him) point out, if you make outrageous claims like US government invents AIDs, you better have solid proof for it."
Sort of like making "outrageous" claims that Iraq had nuclear weapons?
Obama seems to be collecting the endorsements of Superdelegates at the rate of 1-2 a day -
This one from US Congressman David Wu of Oregon.
http://www.allamericanpatriots.c...-wu-endorses-
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"FauxPops squals - "But like Juan Williams (I think that's him) point out, if you make outrageous claims like US government invents AIDs, you better have solid proof for it."
Sort of like making "outrageous" claims that Iraq had nuclear weapons?"
BT......that sherman hemsley is messing with your mind again.....i never stated that.......
Sorry about that, FauxPops...
It was one of the other idiots.
Gotta update my "program" to tell the difference...
Don't worry about it BT.....not the first time you have messed up something that you have tried to start. We see it here every single day from you......
PCP usage before noon may not be the best thing for you, my brother!!!!!
"For some people, race is not the ultimate reality."
Al, you really are blind.
If Obama was white and his pastor had made racist statements about blacks it would have never reached this level of media scrutiny.
How do you explain racists like Buchanan and Bennett spewing the filth that they do and remaining a PART of the corporate media.
FauxPops - Really don't understand your fascination with gay sex and drugs. Fully 80% of your posts end up there...
You got a problem, this is a political baord...
Nobody here can help you.
BT.....
I'm not the one who straddles on Undercover and TVD every chance you get!!!!
Stop writing like a druggie and I won't have to bring up your embarassing addiction.........
Although I am married to a fine woman, I still wonder why you and your fellow leftist tools here are so fearful of gays and lesbians.
Secret longing perhaps.....huh...huh....huh??????
[quote]Lott's problems ran a lot deeper than just the one comment. There was the past and current association with "The NAtionalist Party" in Mississippi, where his daughter is a senior party member. The Nationalist party is the political arm of the KKK, and currently strongly supports former RNC Chair Haley Barbour. Barbour has appeared at a number of C of CC events, as well as made speeches.[/quote]
BET Uncut - Mr "Intelligence That Only Looks Good On Paper":
Can we deconstruct your rationale?
Trent Lott has some unsavory connections, indeed. THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS ESTABLISHMENT has repudiated them as well they should.
This same BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS ESTABLISHMENT who has for years been calling out WHITE CONSERVATIVES for their use of incendiary racial remarks.....welcomed a barn burner Reverend to their annual dinner in Detroit the other day and built him up in their opening remarks.
If indeed the WHITE CONSERVATIVES who are going after Wright but silent on Lott are hypocrites then this makes you and the Civil Rights Industrial DESTROYING Complex What for your inconsistences?
I'll credit Obama. He called out Rev Wright yesterday. You and the other BQPFRC still hold a position that Obama has vacated though.
CS,
Still waiting for you to post the comment from Wright that is comparable to your Massa Buchanan's rant "A Brief For Whitey".
A racist rant that you, A BLACK MAN, endorsed.
You know what they say about folks who think everyone else is crazy but them, right?
[quote]Translation: As a black person you have to be the exception not the rule.[/quote]
SoulBrother - please commence to be schooled:
Black Population - 40 million
Black Voting aged (approximation) 18 million
Black folks who have a strong propensity to vote for the Democrat (15.8 million)
WHITE FOLKS - 273 million
White Voting Aged Poulation - 131 Million
White folks who are STRONG Democrats and thus the campaign for their votes are off of the table: 45 Million
White folks who are STRONG Republicans and thus their votes are off of the table: 40 milloin
THE REMAINDER WHO NEED TO BE SWAYED -
46 MILLION in their vote for Democrat / Republican or Democrat Obama / Democrat Hillary (Hillary the Republican according to some leftist attack boards)
SoulBrother - if there WAS EVER a time for you and others to get a WHIFF of Dr. King's "essentialism and milieu" (as well as getting a basic CLUE) it is RIGHT NOW!!!!
King did not preside over VIOLENCE and then say "Well you kicked our asses in Birmingham, Memphis, Albany and Newark so you claims against us are NEUTRALIZED"!!!!!
He had the MORAL HIGH GROUND at his disposal.
In order to get past the WHITE FOLKS who have the TIT FOR TAT mindset as displayed by WHITEBOWIESTEVE and BET UNCUT and noting that he was the MINORITY seeking to impress upon the MAJORITY......this HIGH GROUND was all that he could draw upon as a sure winner in the long run.
(Folks the next time that Steve and BT attempt to claim MLK as their own - please show them how much they pervert his basic beliefs worse that any White Conservative who now likes him perverts is memory).
The VIllage Idiot whimpers -
This same BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS ESTABLISHMENT who has for years been calling out WHITE CONSERVATIVES for their use of incendiary racial remarks.....welcomed a barn burner Reverend to their annual dinner in Detroit the other day and built him up in their opening remarks.
The same organization which feted and awarded both Condoleeza Rice and General Colon Powell with the NAACP's highest lifetime achievement awards...
Maybe, if you're lucky, the C of CC will invite you by...
For a "roast".
"noting that he was the MINORITY seeking to impress upon the MAJORITY."
You don't have a clue.
MLK Jr., brilliantly, peacefully and eloquently brought America face to face with it's blatant hypocrisy.
Claiming to be the land of liberty and lecturing nations around the world on democracy, yet denying 30 million of multi-generation CITIZENS full participation.
FauxPops gushes with his best girlish smile - "Secret longing perhaps.....huh...huh....huh??????"
Like I said...
This isn't the place to solve your "closet" problem.
BT
That boy has some deep psychological issues.
[quote]"[Y]ou could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down"[/quote]
Is this what you are talking about WhiteBowieSteve?
I have told you several times that this was a STUPID comment. For him to use Blacks in his hypothetical indeed brought on the very attacks that transpired.
HOWEVER, Steve - I also make note of two points.
1) The "crime" that he speaks about unfortunately reside disproportionately IN OUR COMMUNITY. Unfortunately those of our people who you are most inclined to protect ASSAULT OUR OWN PEOPLE more than you can find evidence of Bennett having assaulted us. Shamefully their actions make his intemperate remarks a despicable but mildly plausible inference.
2) OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INDEED killing Black children by sucking them out of their Black mother's wombs.....their actions are defended and protected by those who are more in line with YOUR ideology than by those who hold Dr. Bennett's position as an anti-abortion activist. You choose to be more offended by WORDS than you are by WORKS.
[quote]The same organization which feted and awarded both Condoleeza Rice and General Colon Powell with the NAACP's highest lifetime achievement awards...[/quote]
BET Uncut - your shine dulls each day on this board.
Hasn't R.Kelly received one of these awards as well?
Are you saying that SOLIDER Jeremiah Wright IS a patriot for serving his country but Colin and Condi who are also serving their nation AND making policy ARE NOT?
What are you really saying BET Uncut aside from executing some school yard, pulling crap from your back pocket strategy?
Your example of two Black individuals who received awards AFTER MUCH INTERNAL FIGHTING and resistance inside of this leftist organization hardly papers over their longer recent history of reckless policy positions that have HARMED us as a people.
(School Busing - instead of building up our own damned schools, Affirmative Action instead of having our own schools worthy institutions, support for Tenants Rights groups to remove 'discriminatory' policies that made it more difficult for the poor....instead of reminding these poor that these are TEMPORARY units and that they have been present for 15 years)
Obama is full of it. He’s been a member of the church since 1992. Obama started it with Wright when he disinvited Wright from his presidential announcement last year.
Wright was quiet and seemed to be somewhat passive about it while seeming to understand what BO was trying to acheive.
Then BO, for political expediency, was passive-aggressive with Wright last month as the Wright controversy was taken to a whole different level by the media. Again, Wright was fairly quiet, probably hoping things would blow over, but the media kept baiting him, and BO kept running his mouth condemning Wright’s LOOPED comments when HE (Obama) should have shown leadership and STFU.
I’m sorry, but a man is only going to take so much - especially a fireball like Wright. I don’t blame Reverend Wright. He did well and was patient for a long time while I would have BLASTED Obama a long time ago.
I've said over and over he is arrogant and a phony and seems to have a character/personality flaw.
Say what you will, but to Wright’s credit, he has been consistent with his statements - although I don’t agree with all of them. He has not waffled like BO, who by the way has accused Hillary Clinton of waffling.
In my opinion, it appears that Wright has AUTHENTICALLY and consistently addressed America’s weaknesses and racial problems. What has Obama done? He gave a fake and convenient race speech in Philadelphia to save his hide with white voters. While Wright is over the top on some issues, I’d take him over fake ass King Barry anyday.
Wright has been straight-forward, candid and honest. He has not tried to nuance his words while BO is an appeaser and back-stabber.
BO deserves what he gets.
"The "crime" that he speaks about unfortunately reside disproportionately IN OUR COMMUNITY."
NO IT DOES NOT!!!!
I will never accept, as you sorry rightwing negroes gleefully do, that violence and criminality is a "black thing".
My neighborhood is as black as Congress Hts in SE DC yet violent crime is not an issue where I live.
People like YOU choose to characterize it that way to rationalize your contempt for black folks in general.
[quote]Claiming to be the land of liberty and lecturing nations around the world on democracy, yet denying 30 million of multi-generation CITIZENS full participation.[/quote]
WhiteBowieSteve:
Are you a liar or just ignorant to HISTORY?
Take what you said above (which is TRUE) and then tell me if the WEATHER UNDERGROUND, who set off BOMBS would be able to able to call out AMERICA about her hypocrisy........and have the CREDIBILITY of a sound base to argue from?
The more I engage certain people the more that I realize that those among us who are UNEDUCATED should only be called out for their relative portion of their harm done to our interests as a people.
HOWEVER those who are EDUCATED but still are GOD DAMNED FOOLS and who then use their POPULAR position to manipulate our people.....they deserve a special place in hell.
There is no correlation between educational attainment and reasoning skills!! You prove it so frequently.
[quote]"The "crime" that he speaks about unfortunately reside disproportionately IN OUR COMMUNITY."
NO IT DOES NOT!!!![/quote]
Should I look outside for your PROOF to come via a FedEx package....or do you have a tracking number for me to find it myself?
Hey Rikyrah or Shay - where is Napperville with respect to Chicago?
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story...ocal&
id=6053970
Shootouts at Black Funeral Parlors
http://concreteloop.com/2008/03/...funeral-
parlors
Thuyen, where you at jack?!
NGười Kinh simply means the Vietnamese language.
True whilst being more than slightly OffTopic;
as you probably have presaged, my next query was to be about the original Negrito and Negrillo inhabitants of Southern and Southeast Asia.
Thuyen, I did not plan to infer that you are in any way remotely related to those Negroes.
Or, did I?
NGorongoro, baby bubba.
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"Take what you said above (which is TRUE) and then tell me if the WEATHER UNDERGROUND, who set off BOMBS would be able to able to call out AMERICA about her hypocrisy........and have the CREDIBILITY of a sound base to argue from?"
Is this imbecile actually making a comparison between the Civil Rights Movement and domestic terrorists?
Steve,
"Now that lynching party shows up as we knew it would, you say Obama "should have known it was coming".
LOL!!!!
There goes that consistency thing."
There is no inconsistency. Anyone in public life, let alone running for president should know, that if someone very close to them is or has been contraversial it will eventually come to light. And whether you agree with him or not, there is not doubt that Wright is contraversial in anyway you look at him. Obama should have know it was coming and in fact he did. That's why he disinvited him from the announcement to run. He simply did not anticipate the level it would rise too, which is he and Wright were as close as he said, he should have know that too.
"'Cuz I remember you saying that blacks were just being paranoid and setting up "racism" excuses if Obama didn't win the nomination."
I seem to recall saying that even before Wright came up, when the media first started going hard at Obama, so I stand behind the comment because that is exactly what some were doing. I also stand behind it because the Wright issue is a legitimate one, as Obama even acknowledged on his FOX interview. Just because it is being used by race-baiters does not make it illegitimate. A close personal mentor of a Presidential Candidate is saying some pretty contreeversial things. That is an issue. How big an issue, only time will tell.
"Hey Rikyrah or Shay - where is Napperville with respect to Chicago?"
About an hour or so outside.
The 'burbs.
NSangoma
To be honest with you I have been in the US for 33 years and a bit embarrasssed to say I can't read Vietnamese.
[quote]where is Napperville with respect to Chicago?"
About an hour or so outside.
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My friend TVD - can I ask you a question?
If Naperville is 1 hour outside of Chicago BUT this is the FIRST MURDER to take place there .......why is it that Gary Indiana which is 40 minutes away is no stranger to homicide?
http://www.cityrating.com/citycr...y=Gary&
state=IN
Maybe STEVE can tell us?
I don't know.
It must be a liberal's fault, though. Do you think John Conyers did it?
Maybe the Clayton County school board...
Just be honest. If Rev. Wright was Rev. Cracker and spent every sermon talkin good about everybody and everything but one or two times talked about those evil black folks with there drugs, and evil rap music...every word he said before, and every minute of a good life he had led before would be out the window. Equality is ultimately what we are after wright? David Duke probably had a day or two he didn't rail on the brother... maybe he's not bad either. Ultimately the Rev. is is in business. He is having a million dollar house built thanks to his church, and lo and behold in his gated community his neighbors are the same devils he rails about! Gawd Damn America indeed.
That aside this Blog is great! Keep up the good work.
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