The oil from ANWR will likely be sold to Japan or Asia, NOT benefitting the U.S.
Why is this?
Plunder.
Why else?
That's all these incompetents know how to do. The actual exercise of their offices is quite beyond them, and it always was.
So they concentrate on loot and plunder. That's the only piece they understand.
What better way to start relieving ourselves of our addiction to fossil fuels than by firmly and steadfastly saying "No" to drilling on the coasts or in ANWR?
What better incentive is there to invest in finding energy alternatives? We can lead the world in technical innovation again, for FSM's sake; all we need is the political and corporate will to do it, and nothing can stop us.
But there's the obstacles.
Another issue is how long many American's will continue to believe that this "simple solution" is simply BS.
"all we need is the political and corporate will to do it"
No, Wanderer, that's not true.
WE NO LONGER HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO PRODUCE people who can lead technical innovation.
(1) How and where are we going to recruit these people? Who is going to be insane enough to step forward and take the bullet?
You put in 4 years of high school plus 4 years of college (while your family sinks under the debt burden, or else you set yourself up to), and another 2 to 6 years of graduate work. Then you get assfucked in the job market.
While the C students who majored in Art History go on to get MBAs, with strong minors in in lying and backstabbing. And then follow up by going on to plunder seven figure salaries while they wreck the companies they are supposed to guide and grow. And throw the engineers and the techs and the analysts out into the streets.
Everybody knows this by now.
Including the kids who are starting into the pipeline.
(2) We gutted our intellectual resources decades ago. There were a good many people who tried to draw attention to this. They were simply ignored. They shouted into a void until they either got sick of it and shut the fuck up, or died.
What John Katz wrote about in his "Hellmouth" series a decade ago was merely the finale.
Precisely where will these people go to school?
WE NO LONGER HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO PRODUCE people who can lead technical innovation.
The faculty and staff of MIT would probably respectfully disagree with you.
dejah thoris its irelivanty where they sell the oil, gas companies have found our current pain point on gas. the price will never drop below that. they may give us a little tiem to get numb to the pain before they signifigantly hike up the price again. but it will never go down.
kenga while there are smart people at MIT...media labs has a large contingent of teh C student art major types...sure they get better grades, and may pretend to eb technical, the are still strongly in the MBA catagory.
hey wann have fun with the busniess guys, ask them if the manditory lobotomy comes free wit hteh MBA or if they paid extra for it 
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How will increased oil exploration and production solve declining US gasoline refinery capacity? Declining refinery capacity was yesterday's excuse for high gasoline prices. Actually it was a decoy discarded when prices reached targets acceptable for the obscene oil company profits we see now. Just another shell game in this carney sideshow of an administration.
They're trying to do the same thing off the coast of Florida. Both McSame and Gov. Crist have flip-flopped on this issue because they were against drilling before they were for it.
hey wann have fun with the busniess guys, ask them if the manditory lobotomy comes free wit hteh MBA or if they paid extra for it .
No! Nononononono.
I have developed an allergy to proactivizing the leveraged synergism.
Frightening quantities of alcohol and THC are needed to make the swelling go down, and my health plan doesn't cover the treatment.
moonglum and Stormcrow go fuck yourselves... before I finish my first cup of coffee I have a couple of Neanderthal engineers acting all high and mighty about Art History and Art.
Beyond the stupidity of not looking for answers from every source and foolish stereotyping based on simple human proclivities this is divisive when we need unified solutions. Without an ongoing energy policy supported by all citizens we are going to stumble along to the end. This isn't about technology versus art, it is about developing a national will to succeed.
That success needs to start with communicating the futile thinking of short term drilling versus long term planning. Perhaps the strongest argument against drilling now is a business argument... a scarce national treasure pumped out today to bring gas prices down by a quarter, will not be there when the real crunch comes. Until we have solved the issue of the internal combustion engine and renewable resources, why would you pump dwindling oil for even $139 a barrel when you could sit on it and watch it go to $200 barrel. Why would you use up domestic oil now, when you can use foreign oil until the real crunch comes?
Lots of things can change but for the immediate future conservation, alternative fuels research and consumer pain are on the menu. Get used to it.
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For some reason I think that Piccaso did more for the human condition than Edward Teller... but then that's just the way I roll. Asshat engineers piss me off. Especially because every fucking one of them seems to have a Libertarian streak... especially the computer ones.
I'll finish my coffee now...
Amuseinc my condemnation of art history majors is not that art, or an understanding of art isn't important. its taht in most universities its one of the easiest degrees to ge, so those with marginal inteligance tend to gravitate there...an MBA with an art history degree is the prototypical mba, the ycoundn't hack the math of gettign a busniess undergrad degree.
honestly I don't agee with stormcro, I think we will solve the problem with tech and brain power in this country...we are doign some very interesting things at university of Il and in silicon vally that may revolutionise oil, shut the smug peak oil chicken littles up and rais employment in one action.
Im hopeign the U of I solution scales up cheaper then the silicon vally one, I prefer my yeast to be used for beer and haveign cheap bacon as a wast byproduct is a big win in my book .
for those who don't know what the hell im talking about
http://www.physorg.com/
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
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"moonglum and Stormcrow go fuck yourselves... before I finish my first cup of coffee I have a couple of Neanderthal engineers acting all high and mighty about Art History and Art."
"Especially because every fucking one of them seems to have a Libertarian streak... especially the computer ones."
(1) About libertarians. I've been shouting into that particular void for 20 years and counting. Which leads me directly to ...
(2) I have no use whatsoever for people who have the unmitigated arrogance to TELL me what I believe. Counter to all available evidence, BTW. Not that that matters.
That now includes you. You just stepped across a line with me that you cannot now recross.
If you think this is rhetoric, think again. I have an excellent memory for abusive assholes. I won't bore you with too many details of the school I learned that in. Enough to say that it was one that sanctioned mistakes savagely.
the republican't plan to drill for more oil in, around, nearby, and under america is akin to a meth addict cooking up his on stash in order to kick the habit. meanwhile honda introduces a hyrdogen car in california while the mediocre 3 are giving us cars that talk to us and email us all at low employee pricing with zero percent financing and cash back at closing. all the while still running on gasoline.
btw,
in the circles i run, i have noticed that the most technologically advanced people are also the most artistic. but if y'all are lookin' to whup some ass, get in on by god. i ain't seen a good fight in a long while. that kimbo slice stuff weren't about shit.
The oil from ANWR will likely be sold to Japan or Asia, NOT benefitting the U.S.
Why is this?
dejah thoris | 06.17.08 - 10:10 pm | #
The oil produced there is heavy crude (full of sulfur and other contaminants, the opposite of light crude). Either through greed, NIMBY or neglect, the major oil companies don't want to put refineries there to process the heavy crude.
So we sell it to Japan or the rest of Asia, who do have the facilities.
Look at
what passes for the new.
You will not find it there but in
despised poems.
It is difficult
to get the news from poems
yet men die miserably every day
for lack
of what is found there.
Hear me out
for I too am concerned
and every man
who wants to die at peace in his bed
besides.
Stormcrow + monogulm,
Everybody knows where the bad MBAs come from: the History Dept at Yale.
But seriously...
Art History majors going onto MBAs? On what planet? In my experience, the dipshit MBAs you describe tended to come from the ranks of dipshit Biz Skool undergrads. Art History grads...eh, not so much. The Art/Art History folks I know got their advanced degrees and now do just *brainless* stuff like running museums, libraries, and publishing houses, writing books, teaching, doing research (all from Art/Art History degrees earned at *gasp* publicly funded institutions).
If you want to talk about the gutting of our intellectual resources, I'm game, just save the goofy jabs at the Humanities for your Whingy Engineer's Klubnite.
So we sell it to Japan or the rest of Asia, who do have the facilities.
There's also the issue of transport costs - it's closer than the lower 48 US states.
The other thing about drilling in ANWR - the size of the reserves that can be extracted amounts to about 4 months' of US consumption. IOW, a drop in the bucket in terms of supplying US energy needs, and something that won't significantly lead to any drop in petroleum prices, which, as informed people know, are determined on a global basis.
I'd like to see McSame tour FL with his drilling proposal. Floridians of all stripes know that you don't mess with the coastline. Even republicans know that tourism puts the bread on the table.
bd: wander by a college campus...there a hell of a lot more art history majors (difrent from art majors...very difrent) then there are art museums / galleries in the world (i would hope that some one running a museum or a gallery had a degree in somethign adminsitrative, or a library science background, so they knew what the hell they where doing, but i digress.)
Most MBAs' are not recent bis school grads they are later job changes, ladder climber types that tended to get "easy" degreess in college (history, art history, philosaphy, underwater basket weaving) At least most schools i know have heavy math requierments in the busniess schools, tends to drive the morons away.
Moonglum
Yes, there are huge differences between Art majors and Art History majors, but that's a conversation for another day. As for what kind of degrees one needs, well, you have a point, but a decent art history BA can give a person the intellectual foundation to pursue many paths. The folks I was referring to do have advanced degrees appropriate to their professions, they just happened to start out as Art History majors.
Lumping in history, philosophy (and humanities in general) in with "basketweaving" makes you sound like a sciencey version of David Horowitz railing against liberal academia.
Oh, read Kant and tell me its for pikers.
If you want to talk about the notion that MBA programs are full of greedy mid-career knobs, then fine. If you want to talk about the questionable profit motives that drive so much of retail academia (hard sciences included), then pull up a chair. If you want to suggest that the humanities are full of people who are categorically inferior people like yourself, then bring some facts to the table and leave your anecdotal quips to yourself.
oh dear.
The only thing lacking in any "solution" is creativity. They teach that in biz school? Nothing can happen here with first having creativity. In defense of Art History, its also history of architechture..... which included alot of infrastructure. So there. nyaaaa. :-p
Since the pubbies continously take a run at ANWR and offshore, this is just ONE more time. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if the oil companies aren't holding the gas pumps hostage to drive this "need" to git more oil. Beginning to look that way when San Diego folks are crossing the border to fill up for $2 or so per gallon. Hmmmmmm why's that oil so cheap? I totally think these prices are driven so high for a reason...... and its to make the case for "git more oil".
Obama is ahead in florida and this will only make him MORE ahead so pray continue the "offshore drilling" talk... 'specially in florida 
All that will happen is that by the time they drill and refine, and spend allllllll that time and money doing that, prices will have risen to the point that any extra oil won't bring down the overall pump price. Silly waste of time.
Pond Scum!
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Creativity is what is needed here!
Oh and one of these!
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Crist flip-flopped on coastal drilling for Florida, saying it "should be up to the states" to decide. Well, now, that might wash in Tallahassee where he enjoys a partisan majority in both houses of our oddly phallic Legislature Building, but he's guaranteeing that he'll only be a one-term wonder if he manages it.
And not even the crystal meth-crazed House Speaker, Marco Rubio, will touch this issue. It's a political third rail in many parts of Florida and the rest of the Gulf.
drilling in ANWR is completely useless as a solution to any fuel crisis, as others have pointed out, so why would they want to do it? two reasons i can think of: cause they hate "hippies" (yes, i really think they are that prickish & shallow), & because it's a stalking horse; if they can drill there, they can drill anywhere, & they will drill Everywhere (they really are that insane & greedy)...this isn't even about anything these oil & gas tycoons need to do, this is about "I Drink Your Milkshake! I drink it the Fuck Up!" this is driven by the evil side of libertarianism, the corporate-locust libertarianism that is only concerned w/ Deregulation & No Obscene Profits Taxes...however, i still think that the good side of libertarianism, the Bill of Rights side, is crucial to the future of anything i'd want to call America, if the joe & jane blow libertarians could be made to realise that their philosophical purity isn't as important as having Good Government to protect us peons from the robber barons...
While we're piling on the offshore drilling along with ANWR (and by all means, continue, I'll try to stay in tune) what happened the last time one of them hurricanes waltzed through the Gulf?
I seem to recall evacuated drilling platforms, and some that kinda, well, wandered - for lack of a better term, from where they were supposed to be.
Are those back online?
What was the impact at the pump, again?
Any chance we'll ever get another hurricane in that area?
My sister has a BFA, and an MS in Microbiology. She opted out of the PhD, being sick of working as a "lab slave."
Just sayin'.
Gov. Crist flip-flopped on FL drilling. Now I'm watching Mel Martinez to see if he joins the rest of the republicans.
Now, not only do they want drilling but mccain is calling for 45 new nuclear reactors!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25251529/
Wow, that's SOME kinda "green" policy he's going for there, eh. Gaaaagh!!!
"Oh, read Kant and tell me its for pikers."
But wasn't Immanuel Kant a real piss-ant? Who was very rarely stable?
Heh, heh. Uh, sorry.
As for the topic at hand, Jimmy Carter was the last American President who dared to suggest publicly that resources might not be infinite, and we all saw what happened to him.
Anyone expecting leadership on this issue from today's crop of politicos is due for nothing but disappointment.
Kant was a wanker...no one majors in only philosaphy, that is the weasy dubble major for those of us who wanted two degrees (I was goign for three CS, philosaphy, sociology before the lure of the dot coms took me away form school...we made fun of the guys who where onyl doign philosaphy, you could pop that one out in two years.)
so yes kant was a wanker
Gowron says there are no useless degrees nor are there easy degrees! If engineers were so smart, why can't they write decent manuals? Hah! Or illustrate a decent disruptor manual! By General Kang's eye we must all pitch in for the glory of the empire!
The Klingon Empire only needs combat engineers and slaves to keep the battle engines going while the warriors revel in the blood of the despoiled victims! Gowron says by the eyes of Kayless, you are all targs who will die in your beds. Kerplah!
America should take the front of oil issue who ever the president.Oil issue should be handle by America. It should not go to any other country.
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Nishantha
Addiction Recovery Alabama
Well,i have gone through this discussion and know about this topic "Anyone expecting leadership on this issue from today's crop of politicos is due for nothing but disappointment."
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neeraj
Alaska Treatment Centers
Its very unfortunate to tell that in near future we have to depend on other countries for oil. If we drilling on this sate for the petroleum then in near future America will lost its petroleum reserves and so many people will be in trouble. Drilling in Alaska, due to it's small size and the small volume of oil is equivalent to tapping into our Strategic Petroleum Reserves and is great effect on the economy.
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steve
Alaska Alcohol Addiction Treatment
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