but not wanting to know is what got us in this mess in the first place.
the people won't stop moving!!
I like Johnny Two Beans... who told him to dress like a fucking mafiso to the dnc meeting... christ, by a mirror...
What time does the meeting start?
when does the sound start?
go Ho-Ho!
I used the speaker icon to raise the volume to the max, and set my Mac's speakers to the max. I still have to sit close to hear.
It is going to be a loooooonnnngggg day. Did you hear them say there was an overflow room?~!
By the way, Obama is scheduled for a big rally this Tuesday in St. Paul... at the very Xcell arena the Republican convention will be held this summer. He may be planning on announcing his finally being the candidate... hopefully he is planning to stick it in the eye of the Republican Party there.
Mmmm...sausage...
Hub! Yes, we DO know what we're going to get. :o)
Barack Obama for president. :o)
And, incidentally, John McCain as republican haggis. :o)
I think if this comes out as is likely; full seating with 1/2 votes... Clinton will want to appeal the decision. *sigh*
I am truly beginning to fear that our house divided will not stand in Nov.
I am truly beginning to fear that our house divided will not stand in Nov.
tlg, I think it's ok.
We weren't going to get everyone but that was never a possibility anyway.
There are alot of folks out there yelling and screaming about Obama who wouldn't vote for him no matter what happened.
Some of her supporters will vote for McCain. Good. They need to keep going and just join the Republican party and be done with it.
The folks protesting outside of the RBC meeting aren't representative of all Hillary supporters.
They just happen to have the biggest mouths.
baltogeek: Worse, the pro-Hillary protesters were pure astroturf -- trucked in by her campaign.
"Trucked in by her campaign..."
Not unlike the Dade "recount" that never happened, in 2000, n'est pat?
so she is going on to protest to the creds. committee that the deal brokered for Michigan was unfair. Whatever point she had on this is lost on me, because when she signed the same pledge as the other candidates she didn't care if these voters were so-called disenfranchised. In fact I heard this last week, And all I could think was WTF? How is it that everyone can forget that as late as jan. of this year Hillary was saying Michigan wouldn't matter and it didn't matter... etc. etc.
until now.
http://www.npr.org/templates/
sto...toryId=90907222
"It's clear, this primary is not going to count." (on Michigan, Hillary Clinton)
Tanbark: That's just what I thought of after hearing that HRC was bringing in protesters: more thugs, just like ones that jacked the recount.
WenG; thanks. Kind of hard to miss the similarity, weren't it? :o)
And, I just read this on the DellNewsPage:
http://apnews.myway.com//article.../
D9119QD80.html
About how outraged her supporters are, etc., etc...
They need to know how outraged WE are.
She has, of course flipped about 180 degrees on the FlaMich situation. When she thought that the coronation process was going along swimmingly, she was perfectly willing to agree to punish the two uhhh...maverick...states for moving their primaries up.
Now that her campaign is sinking, if not sunk, it's a turd of a different color.
A lot of people (not so much, Hillary, anymore) are talking about "party unity".
It is important, but we need to keep in mind that when Hillary's nomination seemed a foregone conclusion, the two words were nothing but a dog-whistle for "don't bash Hillary for, among other things, frenching bush's ass, on the war." Back in Iowa, as Obama began the derailling process for the Triangulation Express, if you were over on FDL, Jane and Christy, etc., were parroting it like a bunch of Hare Krishna's in an airport. If anyone put up a post that was even mildy critical of Clinton, the rote response from the well-trained-not-to-shit-on-the-floor "firepups" was: "You turncoat-misogynist! Do you want the republicans to win the election?"
Now, the shoe is UNSPINNABLY, on the other foot, and the primary campaign that Hillary is inflicting on the democratic party is looking like W.T. Sherman, burning his way through Georgia, or, more accurately, Tony Soprano $ Co., "negotiating" with some recalcitrant New Jersey fish-market owner for "insurance" against a business downturn and broken kneecaps.
I'm sick of it. Literally, my reaction to seeing her on the tube is rapidly becoming as nauseating as looking at george bush talking about HIS fantasies.
And, I think a TON of other good democrats feel this way, too. The final straw, of course, was her Sioux Falls moment, when she revealed her little assassination contingency plan, as justification for continuing to assist John McCain and the republicans.
My 2c; at this point, the bottom line, is this:
Barack Obama has gotten to the verge of making history because of several things:
He is running at a time when the scales are dropping from the eyes of the voters, as to just how badly george bush (with help from Hillary Clinton) has fucked up the country.
He spoke out in November of 2002, against the war, at a time when it was NOT politically expedient to do that.
Divorcing our economic problems from the mayhem opera in Iraq (as the republicans are frantically trying to do, and as Hillary Clinton would also have done, had we been stupid enough to nominate her) is as insane as the decision to drag us into the shitmire, itself.
Clearly, there is political hay to be made from speaking out NOW against the clusterfuck. And we should make it. To this end, Obama is a walking John Deere combine. :o)
He is a thoughtful, articulate human being, who seems genuinely to want to change the direction that America has been going for a long time.
He seems honest, and less given to the kind of political whoring that we constantly see from most of our politicians.
Simply stated, with his message of hope and REAL change, he is perceived (rightly, I think) by a lot of Americans, as a different breed of cat. It is the reason why the hard-core wingnut conservatives are so afraid of him. (Is there anyone on here who thinks that, at this point, they fear Hillary Clinton? I didn't think so. :o) They're a bunch of lifelong issue-whores, and they recognize a kindred soul.)
My point here, is that in the general election, Barack Obama has an excellent prospect of picking up support from independents and moderate republicans who are disgusted with bush and his policies. I think that this year, he can hew off a substantial chunk of the republican party.
But he can't do it if he is perceived as caving in to the kind of political blackmail that Hillary Clinton is using.
For example, anyone with half a brain understands that for Obama to now offer second spot on the ticket to Hillary, would be a political disaster for he AND the democratic party. Every republican knows what kind of campaign she's run against him. Some of them, the mouth-breathers, are delighted. But I think that the moderates and the independents, are more like:
"Yeah, that's the Hillary WE know." and they are NOT attracted to it. And if, with what the voters have seen of her, Obama is seen as kissing HER ass, in the name of "party unity", the accusations against him of being just another power-hungry political whore, will have weight.
So. Here's what I've been heading for:
If, after Obama has collected the delegates to be nominated in Denver, she and her supporters want to continue to kneecap the democratic party, which is to say, the "leadership" of Pelosi, Reid, Dean, and the superdelegates, etc....into letting her take this into the convention, where she can flex the triangulating muscles that she has grown by sucking up to the Nathan Bedford Forrest wing of the party, then I think it will be time for Obama and his staff to take a look at the likely political landscape of October of this year, and to give serious consideration to
holding a press conference in the not-too-distant future, for the specific purpose of his stating that he will neither seek, nor accept, the edorsement of Hillary Clinton for his run this fall.
I know; it's politically unprecedented, and the party honchos would shit bananas (Why should jellyfish understand political courage?) but I think the voters, and NOT just the democrats, would respond to Obama's saying to a leading democrat (and one who, let us remember, has Operation Enduring Clusterfuck, welded on to her resume'.)
"As a democrat and also as an American, I now have no respect for you, nor for the tactics you have used in this crucial primary contest. I believe in myself; in my positions on the issues, enough that I'm willing to take my candidacy to the voters without your support."
As ol' Jerry Lee Lewis said:
" 'hink about it..." :o)
Tanbark is right here..... Obama needs to reject and renounce Clinton and their ways and watch the incredible support he gets from indies and pubs for doing that. People want to see some backbone here and they'll vote for it.
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