Just another fucking tool. Put a star on a soldier's shoulder and he stops being a soldier. He becomes a politician.
It's a pack of lies, and they don't care that we know it.
As for these shitbag generals -- just break the fucking military already. (Sorry you have to die for it, you grunts, but thems the breaks when you sign up, I guess). We need to start over with a new, much smaller one.
From this day forward General Bergner will be known simply as "Baghdad Bergner." Actually, I can't claim credit for this nickname. Credit belongs to a much better known blogger...
Apparently, one doesn't just get promoted to flag rank once they've turned the requisite number of box tops in, but there's a congressional approval process as well. Which means that any officer who does reach flag rank has had to make friends in Congress. That a general would forsake his oath and forget the relevant codes of conduct in order to please his political patrons is only a logical progression, especially in this day and age.
If I were in charge, I'd end the patronage process, I'd furlough so many flag officers that Kruschev would turn green(er) with envy, and I'd have that lying bastard above busted down to private for impersonating an officer. But that's just me, a former enlisted puke who's since been retired and can get away with saying these things.
Hubris...
You're quick to attack anyone who advocates attacking Iran, but then pretend that the only delusional ones are those suggesting Al Qaeda is the biggest problem in Iraq.
Suprising amount of cognitive dissonance coming from you.
No one asked him whether our god was stronger than theirs?
ether, what, exactly is your point? An attack on Iran would be fatally stupid, especially for the troops dependent on the supply lines that would be cut off by angry Shia, and AQIZ is a minor player in Iraq, one that's used by the current lying administration as a foil, one way out of proportion to its actual size. As Hubris pointed out, fresh water is a bigger problem than AQIZ; Juan Cole believes (and I tend to trust him on this) that ex-Baathists and homegrown Salafis are the main groups behind the Sunni resistance; foreign fighters are a small presence, and mostly used cynically by the aforementioned groups as bomb fodder.
Please explain, in detail, this cognitive dissonance crack, and preferably in a way that doesn't reveal yourself to be suffering from a massive case of it.
This chap appears to have lots of medals though........ almost as many as your average Soviet marshal, so I assume he knows of what he speaks....... ribands from numerous campaigns,........ acts of outstanding bravery/courage in the face of enemy fire, whilst saving entire divisions, etc., etc.
All generals lie. Attacking Iraq was a terribly stupid idea, but attacking Iran will end the American Dream.
ether you bring up an interesting point; what the hell are you talking about?
They're all LIARS!!!!!!!
thank you Hubris for this and your earlier post on how little AQ has to do with what's happening in Iraq. the more I understand, the sicker and angrier I get...
hey nice to see the folks over at http://www.mainandcentral.org/
ar...is_alqaeda.html also thought our Hubris' post on the breakdown was worthy, nice quoting AND nice additional info.
Hubris...
I'm not going to defend Bush's exaggeration of the role Al Qaeda plays in Iraq. I know it's far more complicated. But with that, it was just amusing to see you citing water as one of our biggest problems. I know you all consider yourselves "global-citizens," and feign emapathy for the iraqis and all, but the deafening silence on the consequences of withdrawl are unbelievable.
Fuck water.
Fuck Al Qaeda.
The bottom line is that this shit-hole is going to become an Iranian-allied clustefuck. Iran in control of Iraq's resources is not an option.
I understand just about all of you are against attacking Iran, but giving them Iraq is just idiotic.
That's why Reid was made to look a retard last week. You all have no fucking answers, just criticism and platitudes.
Not too different from Bush.
Forgot my name.
The bottom line is that this shit-hole is going to become an Iranian-allied clustefuck. Iran in control of Iraq's resources is not an option.
Ether-- where were you with this back in 2003?
Well ether, now that you and your friends have ass-raped Iraq and completely removed any chance in hell of a save over there. And you have cornholed the Army, Marines, the entire National Guard and Reserves Systems.
Just what would you have us do?
and before you answer, sit and contemplate that you and your friends REALLY REALLY SUCK at any kind of tatical or strategic thinking. So, my advice to you is SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE, because its my brothers that have been paying the price for you and your friends FUCK UPS.
Tactical Strikes.
Remorseless destruction of the Iranian threat.
We don't need an invasion, we just need to show we won't tolerate interference in Iraq.
But obviously my thoughts have flaws.
The difference between you and I is apparently i'm willing to act, and deal with consequences.
I don't not take a shit just because I don't want to deal with the mess.
I know life is hard and maybe your experiences give you a different appreciation for individual lives, but sitting around dwelling on death and refusing to act in the face of adversity is not something I do.
Janitors clean up shit.
Fireman put out fires.
Soldiers fight wars.
But, all of this is aside from the fact that Democrats not only don't have a plan for dealing with a withdrawl from Iraq, they're refusing to even engage in thoughts on the matter. Instead they tut-tut around pointing out the flaws in a fucking war. A war. Think about that. You all act as if your gifted because you just happened to notice war is a shitty mess.
No plans. No strategy. Just mastubatory platitudes pointing out what's been fucking obvious for all of human existence.
I'm going to be honest Hubris...
I only have an interest in national politics for the game of it. I don't actually believe either side is anything other than a distraction for loftier purposes.
But with that, the one thing I do know for sure, after all my searching and questions, is that people were born to be free. That is my only definite answer, and it justifies anything to me.
Anything.
If this hellhole points half the backwards world in that direction, by forcing them to face a free society and a free-willed people refusing to accept institutionalized slavery and submission, than so be it.
But I know you don't agree, shit you probably don't even consider it.
That's another difference between you and I. I have considered your views.
I consider your views, i just dont understand them really, theyre practically incomprehensible.
difference between you and I is apparently i'm willing to act
Its jackassery like that which is revealing. You think that unless I am supporting what you support I am doing nothing?
If this hellhole points half the backwards world in that direction, by forcing them to face a free society and a free-willed people refusing to accept institutionalized slavery and submission, than so be it.
Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those you guard--
The cry of hosts you humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
'Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?'"
Learn some history ether.
its not going to work ether, it was never going to work.
ether is just another pants-pissing right-wing coward
and add in psychopath for wanting to start yet another war of aggression, this time against Iran
Heh,
It is working.
But it won't be done in our lifetimes.
I would agree my views are somewhat incomprehensible. That's what makes your self-righteous bullshit all the more amusing. You act as if you know anything. Thought is an evolving process, and i'll be the first to admit mine aren't correct. Glimpses of what I think may contain truth, but I surely don't confuse the words for the truth.
I guess you learned all the bravado in the military or something. You have to have secure men if you want them to jump in front of bullets.
"You think that unless I am supporting what you support I am doing nothing?"
No, I think you refuse to make choices. I think you're either jaded or delusional, but considering your experiences, i'd probably say jaded.
The poem gave me a little chuckle, though. The fact you find solice in it is not suprising. It must be hard to deny your nature.
Learn some philosophy, Hubris.
It will help you.
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"
Gay Veteran:
Should Iran be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons?
please tell me more about leading men in battle ether i find it fascinating
I'm not the one who leads, i'm the one who sends them.
Is the farmer the shit in the fields?
No, he directs where to spread it to make shit useful.
yes, bullshit, that is more apt for you to talk about.
Ether,
If you are so concerned that someone like Hubris Sonic isn't taking enough action to defend our great nation, why don't you get off your self-righteous arse and enlist? Clearly a true, steadfast believer like yourself is what we need to fight AQ and other jihadists in Iraq. After all, we can only lose because of a failure of will, and certainly your will converted into direct action on the battlefield will make all the difference.
Ether,
BTW, withdrawal from Iraq is an action and a choice and a plan. For you to argue that the Democrats don't have a plan for Iraq is just simply dishonest on your part. That's to be expected, because you not even honest with yourself about the situation in Iraq. We are currently engaged in an occupation of a country that is engaged in a sectarian civil war, a war that Americans have no business being involved with. Our boys are not dying to further the destruction of Al Qaeda; they are dying in order to save the faces of our incompetent and manifestly dishonest chief executive and his vice=president. The surge is not an attempt to nurture the a nascent Western liberal democracy in the Arab world; it's an attempt to run out the clock, so that Dubya's successor (Clinton, McCain, Obama, Giuliani, etc.) will be left to clean up Dubya and Cheney's mess. As long as Iraq remains in a state of civil war, it will fail to serve as a shining, transformational, example to the rest of the Arab world. Moreover, Iraq will remain in a state of civil war, so long as a critical mass of the Sunni Arabs in Iraq remain convinced that submitting to a Shite-dominated national government is a worse fate than the engulfing generated by the civil war.
Staying the course and doing more of the ineffective same in Iraq? Now that's an example of refusing to make a choice, refusing to take action, and refusing to deal with consequences. As I have pointed out above, the civil war won't end until the Shite-dominated government in Bagdhad wins over the hearts & minds of the Sunni Arab populace that formed the core of Saddam's support. Winning over hearts & minds is a problem that requires a political solution, not a military one. No matter how hard you wish it be true, using the wrong solution doesn't solve the problem, aond continuing to use the wrong solution when you know it's the wrong solution is an act of cowardice, not courage.
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