Shorter "No Quarter":
Closing a 20-point gap to 10 points over a 2 week period is more evidence of Obama's ineptitude, racism, mafia ties, and muslimistic tendencies to flim-flam the people of the US!!!! Hill is teh aw3s0m3!!
hat tip to Larry Johnson
(and remember those "closing tags" when formatting...)
I went to some Pro-Hillary sites and of course her supporters are naturally fired up. But the same question still remains: How does she win this thing in a way that doesn't destroy the party?
I know she has some supporters here. Her ability to win the pledged delegate count is more than improbable at this point...it's impossible. I would be completely assured if she promised to campaign hard through the final contests WITH the assurance that she would support the person with the most pledged delegates and popular votes after June 3rd.
The insinuation of dirty tricks, the haze created by Michigan and Florida being disqualified all seemingly pushed by the Clinton camp...these are why I can't stand her anymore. I think Obama can still beat her even with all these distractions, but she has really destroyed her candidacy and to some extent her husband's legacy.
The delegate count doesn't count, unless it does.
And also North Carolina doesn't count, since it's full of dirty republicans, who will naturally vote for the enemy, Obama.
Looks like the NY Times is rethinking their endorsement:
By staying on the attack and not engaging Mr. Obama on the substance of issues like terrorism, the economy and how to organize an orderly exit from Iraq, Mrs. Clinton does more than just turn off voters who don’t like negative campaigning. She undercuts the rationale for her candidacy that led this page and others to support her: that she is more qualified, right now, to be president than Mr. Obama.
Good job, Hill!!
John Mellencamp is making an interesting celebrity statement by playing at an Obama rally in Evansville, IN tonight, and a Hillary rally in Indianapolis on May 3.
Shorter Mellencamp: to hell with it. Vote Democratic, whoever.
Indiana primary on May 6.
+3
That delegate math is interesting.
No no no ...... the delgate count doesn't count anymore. Now its the popular vote! Sheeeesh.
Regardless, I'm just beyond amazed that anyone could vote for the nafta queen. Okay, also for someone who has failed the financial handling of her own campaign. This is the person they imagine can handle the economy? Huh?
She gots no mo money! So, Obama kept it to 10% AND made her spend all her money. That's about as good as he could expect to do in West New York.
Someone please pull the plug on pat buchanan, joe scarburro, and that dlc guy...... Harold ford. ...... gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.
The point spread is close to 8/9 percent according to the PA Site:
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
54.7 - HRC
45.3 - BO
Where is Barry going to go? He's afraid to debate, the baggage he's carrying is dragging him down, he's saddled with Michigan and Florida without which he can't win the presidency even if he manages to get the nomination. Hey Barry, hang it up. You and Dean, go find some day work to pay the bills.
Oh, and Dean. I tried to unsubscribe to the DNC website today. Please turn the link on so I can quit. Thanks.
jimbo - 
Point difference is down to 8.6 percent.
OH SH#T!!!!
For a minute there I thought it was time for "change".
LOL! Back to the world....
with 99% reporting they say on cnn that she picks up 7 delegates (maybe 
I think that she will end up with +10 which is one more than she got out of Ohio. +10 out of 158 just isn't going to cut it.
Sean, laugh it up because I imagine after November we aren't going to see you for a very long time.
I had to laugh over on kos, someone called it a "blowout". Yikes.
I like that 8.6% margin now on that PA site.
And only 7-8 delegates..... and spending in the red. Well, alrighty then!
This has got to end it. She couldn't even pull off 15-20% of the 25% lead she started with. In a closed primary.
Did anyone see a number on what percentage of the "new" registered PA Dems switched from pubs? Was it perhaps 10% or so? Jes wondering.
Post updated to reflect accurate spread. Thanks
Did anyone see a number on what percentage of the "new" registered PA Dems switched from pubs? Was it perhaps 10% or so? Jes wondering.
Spurious calculation time (using the numbers here):
Approx # of Repubs voting for Presidential candidates in the Repub primary: 776K
Approx spread of Repubs voting for other offices in the Repub primary: 649K - 700K
Percentage of spread (above): 83.6 - 90.2
Approx # of Dems voting for Presidential candidates in the Dem primary: 2,275K
Using the same percentage spread as the Repub voters, we should expect to see numbers like: 1,902K - 2,052K
Instead we see numbers like: 1,557K - 1,745K
Gap in expected Dem voters: 157K - 495K
Now, be generous and say that HALF of the gap in expected Dem voters are legitimately ADDITIONAL Democratic voters who didn't vote for another office (78.5K - 247.5K, or 3.5% - 10.9%). Meaning that while 8.8% - 16.4% of Repubs didn't vote in their other primaries, 12.3% - 27.3% of Dems didn't vote in theirs.
You still have a gap of 3.5% - 10.9% of unexplained Democratic "president only" votes, which are presumed for this exercise to be Republican shills voting for Hillary to sow discord, who have no vested interest in any other Democratic races. The arithmetic mean of this spread is 7.2%, or approximately 164K voters.
So even assuming that a substantial number of legitimate Democratic voters (or even legitimate party switchers) chose not to vote in the rest of their primary, at a much higher percentage than Republicans (who had less reason to vote in other races, as none were contested)... even assuming all that is true... we have a spread of, on average, 7.2% of voters who are just there to f**k around because of marching orders from Drug King Rush.
None of this is scientific, but it does come from a love of playing around with numbers.
D
I really think the whole "Operation Chaos" effect is severely overblown. In closed Primary states I don't think that it really moves more than a couple thousand votes. Rush listeners move glacially just like their mentor and are unlikely to even re-register if its too much work.
Even though Clinton won this thing by 8.5 points, I expect the calls for her to drop out will increase rather than decrease over the next two weeks. The core of the problem with Clinton is that she has not made it clear that she will respect the votes or pledged delegates lead of her opponent after the voting is over on June 3rd. This introduction of severe uncertainty might cause people to act more rashly rather than cautiously and attempt to put her away before mid-May. These people would be the House and Senate leaderships, and past leaders of significance not named Clinton.
This move might have the effect of polarizing her core supporters and thus damaging Obama in the general, but the alternative is also not very desirable with her triangulating against Obama with Republican talking points for 4 months. Driving up both candidates negatives is not what I would call a successful strategy for the general.
The worst possible result. Not a big enough victory to really make a difference, but big enough to allow her to continue on.... and on...... and on. Expect lots of 'he couldn't seal the deal' comments in the next few days. Oh, the humanity!
Someone wake me up when it's all over.
Racist jimbo (apparently a Dixiecrat who's been in suspended animation for 50 years) is pissing his pants at the thought of a black Presidential candidate in the general election.
Peasant Sean is concern trolling even harder, worried that the Dems might have a real contender for once.
And nary a Clinton supporter around here to trumpet that sure-thing double-digit blowout they were predicting for months.
That tells me all I need to know. 
"The worst possible result. Not a big enough victory to really make a difference, but big enough to allow her to continue on.... and on...... and on."
If she had lost by 5 points instead of won, she still would have continued on. Yesterday the make-or-break was a double-digit margin in Pennsylvania. Now it's June, and it won't stop there, either. Spite and a sense of entitlement can overcome even a low delegate count and an empty campaign warchest.
I'm just hoping that Obama can start splitting his focus a little between Hillary and his real opponent, McSame (another PA "winner"). I'm sure the same netroots that's brought Obama this far will take on some of that job.
well, the bar was set at 12% (lowered to 12, she actualy needed a ~20% blowout) she didn't reach the bar, Obama won pensalivania...See folks math is easy, she now cannot catch him in dleegates or in popular vote, its over for her.
oh and i love how IL dosn't count cause its his "home state" and yet new york dose...guess what folks IL is a big state....hell so is texas.
OTB: my wife helped my come to a relization lastnight. Dont' be tohard on hillary, she may not have the option of droping out...she ahs gotten a lot of money form some rather shady sources on this presidential run...they expect to have a return on that investment.
Did you really think chinese buss boys had the disposable income to max out to her this year???? What did her backers want in return, and how many kneecapers will be looking for there money back as soon as she dosn't have the rains to power.
Right now she is tryign to blackmail Obama into giving her the VP slot so that bill can spin the situation to their big donors...if that dosn't work.......
She gots no mo money! So, Obama kept it to 10% AND made her spend all her money. That's about as good as he could expect to do in West New York.
I believe they call that the "rope a dope."
I believe they call that the "rope a dope."
Mr. Stoopid | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 7:29 am | #
This reference to a legendary American boxer, who happens to be Black (and Muslim!) shows that Obama has no respect for the gawd fearing Middle America voters who supported the Vietnam War.
WHY does Obama support Victor Charlie?!
"oh and i love how IL dosn't count cause its his "home state" and yet new york dose...guess what folks IL is a big state....hell so is texas."
Do Hillary's supporters even know where she was born and lived until she went to college?
"Dont' be tohard on hillary, she may not have the option of droping out...she ahs gotten a lot of money form some rather shady sources on this presidential run...they expect to have a return on that investment."
If only she had focused on appealing to many small grassroots donors instead of corporate fat cats who expect personal servicing. If only there was a fundraising mechanism besides $2000 a plate dinners and clunky direct mail flyers and phone banks to attract small donors.
What was it we've been saying? Evolve or die.
They're still calling it a "double digit" victory for HRH. We're supposed to want a president that can't handle money and can't do simple math. 8.6% is not 10. They're counting the ".6" as the second digit perhaps?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...race/
index.html
She's going for the voter supression factor with this hallucination.
daryl - Thanks
Mr Stoopid - "rope a dope".... yep, and we can all hope for hillary's "No mas" moment.
Hope.
Bollox; not on and on. (pretty good bluegrass tune, 'though...:o) )
N.C. is practically a lock for Obama, and Indiana is, at best for her, a tossup.
In two weeks, it's going to become apparent that she can NOT catch him, and when that happens, Al Gore, etc. will have to pull the "neutral" 4X4 our of their asses, and we can get down to bidness. :o)
That is, they'll have to pull it out, or we'll know for sure that there is a hideous fix in, and that sure knowledge could mean the end of the democratic party, as we know it.
Tanbark-Hussein.
Tanbark,
One can hope, but the Clinton campaign appears to be a death-defying, brain-eating zombie.
in the spirit of Hubris Sonics post above:
"you ever read Sonnet 144 whilst contemplating the Democratic primary & all it's potential ramifications on the party, the country & the world, on weeeed?
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