Haters gotta hate...
Word up homey
I am a hard-working honkey, over 60, and I voted for Obama. Out of step again, I guess.....
so in a way it is more generational than racial...
in order of decreasing age:
'i don't like ni&&ers"
'i don't mind the negroes, but i wouldn't let my daughter marry one'
'he's so well spoken!'
'oh yeah, gimme some of that brown sugar baby!'
Interesting. And how about the African American vote distribution?
:-/
so in a way it is more generational than racial...
littlest hussein gator
Uh - no. It's purely racial because it's generational. A fossilized generation and a half of open & closeted bigots who we need to have die off, so that their sociocultural dead weight will no longer hold this country back from the path of progress towards perfection for which the Constitution has always served as both vehicle and roadmap.
anon, you crack me up whoever you are?!
Sloths! Leeches on the american body politic, the lot of 'em... sucking out our "precious bodily fluids".
(Thank you, General Jack D. Ripper/Sterling Hayden. :o) )
Seriously; I channel-hopped on the networks last night, during the returns, and without exception, EVERY republican commentator/panelist/talking-head, was expressing their admiration for Hillary, for the "courageous" campaign she's running, and what really impressed me, is that they were all SOOO solicitous of the democratic party's chances this fall, that they were issuing dire warnings about the danger to us of ignoring the peckerhead vote.
(If you're not wearing a white sheet and flacking for Hillary, no nice lapel pin for YOU!~ )
Goddammit; do her followers NOT understand that the reason the repubs are all shilling for her, is that are FUCKING FRANTIC TO HAVE HER TO RUN AGAINST IN NOVEMBER???
Is that too hard for the coronators to wrap their heads around? And can they not understand that all of the good words for her, from Limbaugh on down, would come to a screeching halt, if she WERE able to pull off a miracle? To be instantly replaced by photographs of Bill and Monica, with the caption:
"Do we really want Bubba back in the White House?"
Brain cells, people. USE THEM!
These assholes (and at this point, I'm ready to include Hillary and the democratic party hacks like McCauliffe, in that) are looking at Obama's crowds, and the enthusiasm he's generating, and the fact that he's breaking every fundraising record in SMALL donations,
and they are shitting green nickels. :o)
"so in a way it is more generational than racial..."
I'd throw in geography, too. In general, Millenials and Xers just aren't as obsessed with race as Boomers and Silents. But the further away you get from the coasts, and/or the further south you go, that changes for the worse. Similarly, the further outside urban areas and creative-class enclaves you get, it changes for the worse. Keep in mind that the Jena, LA "tree" dispute started among Millenials.
Moonglum touched upon the phenomenon in the earlier thread (I'll clean up his spelling):
"Ciro, IL (pronounced Kaa-Row) is a good facsimile ... it's like a time warp, they are just getting to the 1960's now...we are a good 25 - 30 years before we start seeing racial tolerance in the area."
Looked at another way, due to its location Ciro is a little more than a generation (over 22 years, but under 40 years) behind the times when it comes to diversity and tolerance. Millenials hold the racial attitudes of Boomers, Xers of Silents, etc. If you went further south from Ciro, you'd probably "go back in time" further (moderated by the presence of big cities).
Nothing new in all this, and there are obviously other geographic and economic issues at work in this complex system. But it's a good rough rule of thumb in America.
One of the Clinton campaign's flawed assumptions was that, if they made an appeal to the Boomer obsession with race, they'd win in the backwards areas while the forward-looking progressives and liberals would go along with the dog-whistle calls (i.e. racial triangulation). But while the first part happened, the second didn't work out quite so well.
Tanbark, you and HS make me smile, in between my bouts of hard work 
(and I am the very opposite of a...you know)
You got it, Tanbark. McAuliffe was very good at $2000-a-plate dinners and charming big donors, with no transparency as to how the funds would be applied. But that kind of fundraising has its limits.
Xers and Millenials (and middle class and working class people of all ages) are more comfortable with smaller donations, especially when the campaign tells interested donors what they're doing with the money.
Yet another case of "evolve or die". But all for the best, because as outmoded as Hillary's approach was, the GOP has it even worse.
OTB and i truly mena its liek a time warp...the radio stations all paly oldies, folks dressed the same...everything, the place is spookie
Thanks, Terri.
Just curious; anybody got any serious objections to Biden as VEEP?
He'd bring a lot of experience to the ticket, and he's not a complete hack, despite the years he's been in D.C.
I know about the plagiarism issue, but I sure like the way he was one of the first to say that partition is the reality of Iraq, and as far as I know he WAS the first to nail bush and the goopers with the fact that their "plan" was to string out the fucking of the cluster, until the election in November, and then dump it in the democrats laps.
I would like to hear THAT being shouted, 24-7, by someone.
"Just curious; anybody got any serious objections to Biden as VEEP?"
As long as he's prohibited from having anything to do with banking and financial services policymaking (or speechwriting ), the Democrat from MBNA would get no major opposition from me. In fact, taking Biden out of the Senate for the next four years might make the ugly resolution of the credit crunch a lot more consumer-friendly.
"Just curious; anybody got any serious objections to Biden as VEEP?"
Well, Obama/Biden sounds like a very lame ticket to me, not designed to generate any additional excitement. And how about electability? Is there a realistical chance that Biden as VP would fare better than, say, Debbie Stabenow, or at least Chuck Hagel???
http://www.openleft.com/showDiar...do?
diaryId=5909
Well! There's a "two birds with one stone" solution. :o)
Tanbark - I do. He's old guard. He's a boob. A smart boob but a total boob none the less. He can be used in some other capacity. Obama/Biden doesn't resonate with me. Sorry :-(
But LOVES your "BRAIN CELLS, people. Use them!"
Harmonic convergence there!!!!! 
"BRAIN CELLS, people. Use them!"
In the kitchen, I often cook with whatever is in the fridge, but I don't like sweetbread.
:D
Ron reagan pointed out last night this whole premise that with 1 in 5 KY voters saying outright race played a role in their vote as being Obama's problem was bull$hit. It isn't HIS problem but the problem of the 1 in 5 voters. Another lady, I didn't get her name, agreed that it was "beyond offensive" to suggest that is "Obama's problem".
Bush won by the same margin in KY against Kerry. These people are pure clinton consnituants. Period.
Reminds me of that Greencards song lyric: "An emotional trainwreck running out of track".
I also noticed that Hillary praise going around last night. Obviously an assigned talking point. Puffery. Fraud. Bullshit. She's batshit crazy now. I mean, even IF she could somehow pull off her hair brained scheme, who's want her as a LEADER? Her campaign exemplifies what we don't want...... more "all had no cattle" bullshit. Same thing.
I'd like to do a poll to see what prescription drugs all these people are on because its just GOT to be some common mind bender or mind softener or SOMETHING. I need to go write a grant proposal for this study I think. Gah.
Dammit, she's SUCH a fucking BUZZKILL.
"Her campaign exemplifies what we don't want......"
We? Should everybody do what you want? You people should be more aware that you're only about 25% of the voting population. You're not even part of a strong majority of Dem primary voters. Remember: Democracy isn't supposed to be the dictatorship of a minority, no matter how fanatic or loudmouthed they are. And by acting this way, you're not really helping your favorite candidate in convincing the other 75% to vote for him.
"We? Should everybody do what you want?"
True, Gray. Myrtle June forgets that some Dems still believe that race-baiting, pandering to conservatives, trying to circumvent the popular vote, and BS-ing is what's called for.
Clinton's whole campaigning on stupid issues during silly season really works in places like West Virginia and Kentucky and doesn't work in places like Oregon. And the fact that the Edwards campaign started getting votes again shouldn't be lost on anyone.
These people vote on "the stupid". You can see that from what they say to exit pollsters. Most white people can be pretty savvy about their racism. Not in these two states. Over 20 percent saying race was an issue in their vote. Tons of interviews with people bloviating about Muslims, too many "Husseins" and all sorts of other stupid. And these are people that vote in a DEMOCRATIC primary.
Obama doesn't have anything to apologize for if people aren't gonna vote for him cause he ain't white. In these states there aren't enough black voters to balance out the racists so he just isn't going to win them. Whatever, they can vote to shoot themselves in the foot or the face with McCain.
"Myrtle June forgets that some Dems still believe that race-baiting, pandering to conservatives, trying to circumvent the popular vote, and BS-ing is what's called for."
Get your talking points straight, OTD. It's supposed to be "trying to circumvent Dem party rules" (which is total BS, of course). Who's really trying to circumvent the popular vote is Obama, by posing as if MI and FL votes don't count. Well, they may not result in delegates being seated, but they still represent the preferences of the primary voters of those states.
"Over 20 percent saying race was an issue in their vote."
That's shameful, but once again, when 90% of African Americans vote for Obama, it's not a good idea to point fingers at the 70% Caucasians who voted for Clinton.
"And these are people that vote in a DEMOCRATIC primary."
And it's people whose votes Obama will need in the general election, so it's not helpful to insult them (be realisitc, any attempt to win by appealing to rational acting voters only is doomed).
"Whatever, they can vote to shoot themselves in the foot or the face with McCain."
Well, sure, but on the other hand, Clinton's senior voters on average won't suffer as long and as much under McCain as Obama's fan base, especially the African Americans, so this "my way or the straight talk express" attitude isn't helpful, either. It's possible the desire to retaliate will be higher fro some than the hope that Obama will at least be better than McSame...
"It's supposed to be "trying to circumvent Dem party rules" (which is total BS, of course)."
Not sure how it's BS. MI and FL held early primaries in violation of existing DNC rules. I agree that the rules should be changed in the future to a system of regional primaries, but for the moment she and Obama are both stuck with these rules. That puts Hillary at a disadvantage, so I understand why she's whining about it while Obama opts to wait things out while those delegates' votes get diluted.
Dean will probably compromise and allow the pledged delegates from both states to be seated at the convention, but by then it'll be months too late for Clinton.
"That's shameful, but once again, when 90% of African Americans vote for Obama, it's not a good idea to point fingers at the 70% Caucasians who voted for Clinton."
It's a very good idea for Obama supporters to do that, since Clinton has been playing to racial divisiveness to win over those "hard-working, white Americans" where Obama, when the issue of race came up over Wright, chose to focus on social and economic class instead.
Hillary has been saying "vote for me because I'm white" (to working class whites) or "vote for me because I'm a woman" (to first-wave feminists). Obama has gone out of his way to distance himself from Boomer-style identity politics.
"It's possible the desire to retaliate will be higher fro some than the hope that Obama will at least be better than McSame."
Hillary's supporters doing so would be in line with Hillary's own pissy sense of entitlement. But even most of those bitter sore losers will probably stay home rather than vote for McSame.
"Not sure how it's BS."
Because the rules DON'T say MI and FL won't be seated (and the rules are totally mum on the popular vote. So much for democracy at the Dems). They say, the "Rules and Bylaws Committee" will decide on this. Afaik, that decision is still to come. Of course, with Obama now having the majority of delegate on his side, it's not likely that the committee will rule in Clinton's favor. However, Clinton didn't try to circumvent the party rules. Instead, just like Obama, she's trying to use those rules to her advantage.
"Hillary has been saying "vote for me because I'm white" (to working class whites) or "vote for me because I'm a woman""
Be more careful with using qzuotations marks, pls. You know damn well Clinton never said this. And if she meant to say this is just guesswork.
"But even most of those bitter sore losers will probably stay home rather than vote for McSame."
Not exactly desirable, either. The Dems best chance to win is by topping the rethugs in the GOTV game. The idea is to get Dems to the booth, not the other way round.
"Of course, with Obama now having the majority of delegate on his side, it's not likely that the committee will rule in Clinton's favor."
Actually, I think the the opposite will happen for precisely that reason. And Obama has everything to gain by accepting this "loss" and look, once again, like the more magnanimous person.
"Clinton didn't try to circumvent the party rules. Instead, just like Obama, she's trying to use those rules to her advantage."
Correction: She didn't circumvent the rules ... just actively tried to undermine them to her advantage. Obama was the one who (passively) used them to his advantage.
As to trying to circumvent the popular vote, the moment things didn't start going Hillary's way she shifted strategy to gaming the superdelegate system and using surrogates like WVWV to suppress the vote in several state primaries. Failed attempts, but attempts nonetheless.
"Be more careful with using qzuotations marks, pls. You know damn well Clinton never said this. And if she meant to say this is just guesswork."
Ok, she didn't use those exact words, but "guesswork"? Please. This "hard-working white American" isn't stupid.
"Not exactly desirable, either. The Dems best chance to win is by topping the rethugs in the GOTV game. The idea is to get Dems to the booth, not the other way round."
Agreed, but if some of Hillary's supporters are going to stay home on issues of personality and identity politics instead of the issues, they're by definition unreasonable. I expect that most of Hillary's supporters (as opposed to the pseudo-supporters who voted for her in WV and KY and rural PA) will turn out to vote against McCain.
"Her campaign exemplifies what we don't want......"
We? Should everybody do what you want? You people should be more aware that you're only about 25% of the voting population. You're not even part of a strong majority of Dem primary voters. Remember: Democracy isn't supposed to be the dictatorship of a minority, no matter how fanatic or loudmouthed they are. And by acting this way, you're not really helping your favorite candidate in convincing the other 75% to vote for him.
Looky here dull color, I say "we" because of the mids. I say "we" because of alllllllll the freakin' nailing jello to the wall we've all, except for you, have done for 7 long and arduous years.
I have VERY solid reasons for not wanting another round of the bush/clinton dynasty. I KNOW what changes will look like under Obama. Lookit how he's run his campaign. Lookit how she's run hers. Its not rocket science to see the clear difference in management ability. It's not brain surgery to see how she lines up day after day with karl rover, bush, liarman, mccain.... the people who want to continue bushco's nightmare top down parental government. She does it every day. Its not quantum physics to see republicans NEO CONS shillin' for hillary every single day and conclude that they WANT to go against her in the general. She's their "girl".
While the crazy hillarycons and bushcons are over having yet one MORE round of clinton v. bush, MORE Americans are trying to move past this to get to the next chapter in the story of America. My gawd what is all this other na na na about? Its about a bunch of NOTHING. Meaningless chatter. And that's how bush got in there.
She and anyone shillin' for her at this late date cannot count and perfer life under bushco is all I got to say. The people who aren't going to vote for Obama, aren't going to no matter what I say or do. Please. Either they're Democrats or they're not. That's their call.
Lemme know when you're ready for some vibrancy in your dull color life.
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