Perhaps a little interservice rivalry in the sourcing of this? I love the notion that a plutonium leak would be no big deal. While that is certainly true compared to a detonation, even a modest a plutonium leak from five warheads would quite serious.
Suppose, just suppose, that there wasn't an actual loss of control.
Suppose that instead, those delivery vehicles were destined to take part in some pre-emptive strikes near the Straits of Hormuz - with the majority of the force and crew NOT knowing the ACMs were NOT carrying conventional explosives.
Do I believe that?
No. I don't.
But I can't discount it as a real, a truly, terrifyingly, real possibility.
And I desperately want to NOT believe it's possible.
What else can you change with an executive order? Out of the VPOTUS office?
Yeah, this was an "Oops" Moment, of a most singular variety. It isn't every day that five "dial-a-yield" weapons get chosen for a joy ride across the country.
Now, whether they might have been earmarked for the 3-Day Opplan is another matter. The W80's not designed, if memory serves, for the kind of deep penetration required to dig out what our "analysts" say are hardened bunkers.
Can anyone imagine what the media would be saying right now if this little "Whoopsy-doodle!" had occured under a Democratic administration? The "news" gasbags would be savagely tearing strips off the President's hide non-stop for weeks. (Never even mind what the "official" right wing press and accompanying demogogues would be saying!)
Remember when Bush and Cheney made a ton of speeches about the dire state of the Clinton-era military and proclaimed that help was on the way?
They have a very perverse notion of what that actually means.
My younger brother (not the wingnut, but the dreadlocked musician) and I had a huge discussion about the show “24” a couple of weeks back. I told him how I'd never seen an episode, but heard it was pretty engrossing.
“It's bullshit” he said. “Glorified, dramatized bullshit. You ain't missing a damn thing. The only thing they get right is that when the shit goes down, some of our own are gonna be in on it.”
So, who do I hear from today, railing about the “loose nukes” story?
“I wonder where those things were supposed to end up?”, he sarcastically asked. “Accident my ass. It wouldn't surprise me one iota if somebody didn't just drop dime to pre-empt some bullshit.”
I let him go on.
“Times is tight, son. The rat's cornered. Rat's gonna do what a rat's gonna do. He'll sacrifice the whole nest to save his rat ass.”
“And we're in the nest.”
We moved on to other things after that. And aafter I got off the phone with him, I wanted to laugh. He can be intense. Loopy even, with his reasoning.
I want to think of this as one of his loopy moments.
But with the slaving over of every branch of government to the perpetuation of protecting this president and his party...well, I guess even I am having the occasional “loopy” thought.
This is where we are now.
Goddamn. 
LM, pull that tin foil on a little tighter....TPM has this:
http://tpmcafe.com/blog/
coffeeho...g_nuke_for_iran
The idea is that a clear headed thinker did tip them off about this. The destination is a jumping off point for Middle Eastern operations.
Why would there need to be nukes ready to send to the ME? The rat is cornered and he's gonna do what rats do.
Son of a bitch, this scares the shit out of me. We are in the fucking nest....and that bat shit crazy preznit doesn't care one whit.
Jessie,
is there ANYTHING you can't stretch into some race baiting fantasy?
God, what a dolt.
Ohhhhhhh, man.
If I call him and tell him about that little coinkydink, I'll never get off the phone with him.
And he'll probbaly be right about every nutty thing he pronounces.
Anonymous:
Is there ANY THREAD you won't eat a case of Ex-Lax and projectile shit into?
I'd say “drop dead”, but that would mean that smeone would have to clean your carcass up. So, to make life easier, coat yourself in bacon fat, and fall down a canyon, please.
(And watch the vultures be all discerning and shit, and turn up their nose at the corpse...yeeesh!)
Never Say Never Again
exactly what I'd expect from a paranoid delusional there LM. You never fail to live down to expectations.
:P
At least Jim has the guts to sign off as "Jim".
This was not an accident. No fucking way in hell was this an accident!!!
Testing the waters maybe for the accidental droppage of said nuke the next time..... martial law. I don't know but the Air Force does NOT do these kinds of "accidents". No sale.
LM & abo gato-I read the same thing, please remove his tinfoil hat now.abo, thanks for posting that, I coulnd't remember where I had read that, and I was going ooh, ooh, ooh.
Accident huh? We are doomed.
Flying. H. Mutha. Fuckin. Spaghetti. Monster.
Incompetence or deliberate. Either way, very scary stuff.
If memory serves there have been more than a 100 nukes lost by a variety of nations over the past 50 years. Some of the lost nukes have been accounted for but others have not.
I remember reading about this a few years back. Anyone interested in can search for more info. As for me I have to watch the sandbaggers and plan for our server migration tomorrow.
"Having to use conventional weapons to do it instead of a nice clean nuke all because some people worry about moral implications."
Don't you worry, Jesse. I have the feeling that 'morals' and 'moral implications' will be going out the window with whatever surprise is coming down the pike.
And the worst part? It's been telegraphed for months that Something Bad Is Going To Happen. The script has been repeating itself for some time - same talking points, same think tanks and 'experts' calling for death and destruction upon another country's civilian population.
You fuckers had better be in the streets with pitchforks, torches and nooses for your ruling party and their supposed opposition enablers if this shit goes down again.
The question that the MSM wouldn't ask if someone was holding a pistol on them:
"Just how desperate ARE these motherfuckers, to avoid having to pay the political dues for what they've created?"
Which brings us to another question:
"Why are not SOME of the DEMOCRATS asking the question, and making it rhetorical, as in:
"We're not sure, but it's getting very Nixonian, in that it's time to start asking---DEMANDING---who's got the fucking launch codes?"
Other questions for Petraeus and the Joint Chiefs:
Where do you gentlemen stand on the question of martial law?
And if we get hit by terrorists, will you support bush if he "postpones" the 2008 election?
Hey! Fuck it! Ask Hillary and Obama and Edwards the questions!
Let's talk about this shit. We need to do a little pre-emptive daylighting about all the juicy possibilities arising from "mission accomplished".
I don't want to get all caught up in the "reasons" they give or the "hey, it was THEIR fault" bullshit of this entire conversation.
The goddam military flew armed nukes over OUR land. Now, this is THE story!!! NO excuses.
I'm tired of discussing the bullshit slathered on layer after layer. ARMED NUKES is not a question! It is a demand for removal of THE person IN CHARGE. NOW.
There's no discussion to take place here! No "getting to the bottom of it"! It happened and it was a test to see how we would handle it. A nuclear trial balloon! The ONLY valid answer is "WE will NOT handle it, buh bye". Take the keys from this mofo right now!
To discuss this is to be a participant in the destruction of our country. THIS is THE event. A test to take the temperature of this country. To float some MORE excuses, to see how much more bullshit we'll eat and say gimme some more!
NO is the only valid answer. Now. Right now!
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I expect some of the more sober countries of the world will start making noise about nuclear disarmament, and looking seriously in our directions.
Because mark my words, it will be our nukes that cause problems, whether accidental or intentional.
we get closer to bush yelling halalua the birds aer flying ever moment....
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