Hubris; good to hear your voice. :o)
We have to go until early November. Or, maybe even Inauguration Day in January. :o)
Agit-prop bullshit is all they have left.
Ignoring the fact that Georgia initiated a bloody attack on South Ossetia, using their troops who were trained and armed by the U.S., is de riguer for these petro-turds.
30 days before Saakashvili pulled the trigger, there were 1600 american troops in Georgia for joint wannabe "NATO-style" exercises with the Georgian military. They left before the attack on South Ossetia, but there were 95 "advisers" and 35 of the ever-handy "contractors" still there when the Georgian forces crossed into Ossetia. Were they unaware of what was going on?
Did they muster up like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and serenade Saakashvili with:
"You're getting ready to fuck the Rottweiller...and incidentally, cause george bush, Chevron-Texaco, Conoco-Phillips, and the Caspian-Pipeline-Facilitators quite a few problems!"
Bush's hypocrisy in this is stomach-turning. There ARE no "good guys" in this debacle, but it would warm the cockles of my heart to see Putin hold a press conference; drop trou, and moon bush, while asking:
"OUR war is practically over. Mission accomplished. How's YOUR war doin'?"
There were also a thousand Israeli ADVISORS in country in Georgia, too, in our time there for training.
To be sending ANY of these folks there, is to be risking their lives methinks . . . it ain't safe over there! Certainly NOT for Americans's or Israeli AIPAC shills . . .
WHERE IS THE NAVAL ARMADA!!!!!! Post Brimstone Ops in Teh US Atlantic?
So Hubris, what do you MEAN by how long do we have to go? How long? For what?
We the USA are about as decrepit and desultory as we can get . . . we've screwed up so bad in teh past 8 years . . . and Putin PAWNED us, to the max, with USA getting Georgia to INVADE South Ossetia . . . WE ARE THE BAD GUYS! And so is Georgia!!!!!
And until that point is HAMMERED in USA, and beaten to our hides, and our MSM, and into the psyche of the masses, we don't stand a chance to make good for our future . . .
It's all leading to the last turn in a game of 7 Card Stud Roll Yer Own Hi/Low Split The Pot.
Only, one, can win. And that means someone goes Hi/Low, and takes it all . .
Course, there's the OTHER answer . . .
Nukes flow, and we all die . . .
Never, ever, since Cuba in '62 has it been this screwed up and wierd . . . what a life we've lived us Boomers . . . all that hope and now all this gloom . . .
Harumph.
Let us turn away from Georgia and cast our attention upon Poland now. The Warsaw Government has just signed an agreement that will put missiles - missiles, damn it - within striking range of Russian territory.
And let us not be misguided by the term "interceptor missiles." What goes up, comes down (and the old Nike Hercules anti-aircraft missile could be easily reprogrammed for a surface to surface role if necessary, simple matter of inputting the right program).
And Bush thinks Putin and Medvedev are going to sit there and let us trail our coats that godsdamned close? No way in hell. We may start seeing Russia negotiating bases with Cuba again, or maybe Venezuela, as a counterbalance.
Remember...WE sent Condi Rice. That is, the American people as represented by our Executive Branch sent Condi Rice. John McCain sent Graham and LIE-berman. Fortunately, WE, meaning the American voting public, will be sending McCain, Graham, and LIE-berman into political purgatory in less than three months.
Maybe we got lucky then...
...the Skipper too, the Movie Star, the billionaire and his wife here on...
Who didn't know that the criminal neocons would murder more people before the election?
I don't think they're done either.
The sad part is that Obama is going along with them.
Well bumpster, I would feel a whole lot better if Gilligan was the one they sent in to do the negotiations instead of those three clowns.
CeeHussein...good point.
Our brave, intelligent, candidate is about to triangulate himself out of a landslide and into a cliffhanger...to possibly be sent to the tender mercies of that 5-4 wingnut majority on the Supreme Court.
tanbark: You are aware that the South Ossetian 'independence' movement is a wholly owned subsidiary of the FSB, correct? This is just another example of Russian imperialism going back centuries before there even was a US. If Georgia had been admitted into NATO, Putin wouldn't have dared his little adventure.
Also, on the interceptor missiles -- they're useless for anything but their intended purpose. The kinetic kill vehicles are small -- you can pick one up without too much trouble. And this fucking vile nonsense about Poland being part of Moscow's 'sphere of influence' is nothing but apologia for Russia's treatment of the Poles over the centuries, which include annexing large parts of Poland (twice) and stealing thousands of square miles of Polish territory after WWII.
It will be worse if Obama sneaks into the W.H. he's even dumber than Bush on the issues here.
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The problem isn't that Poland is in Russia's sphere of influence. It's not. The problem is that the fucking twin assholes running the country are first-class morons who should go back to pig farm.
I just don't understand how the EU lets them do this shit without threatening to cut off subsidies or to just expel them downright from the Union. Or, maybe, just forbid them to accept the bases, and if the clowns go on with their plans, to send some military expedition to dismantle the effing missile base.
A.Citizen - you are part of the major problem at the moment. stfu. You're an enabler of the neocons or a front for bushco. Period.
Cee!! Exactly.
Georgia was the aggressor and the patsy of the neocon bs they were spoon fed. Russia's pushback was excessive but then someone had to smack back at bushco and unfortunatly the people of Georgia/Ossetia bore the brunt of these crazies at the helm. And they're trying desperately to spin this for political gain. Talk about your crimes against humanity. Georgia's aggression is being spun into victimhood and sold to the American people who are more than willing to lap it up..... once again.
Why does Joe Liarman always sound like he's on the verge of tears. I can't stand his whiney assed voice.
Myrtle: Russia was the aggressor. They funded and otherwise supported the insurgency in South Ossetia, and they moved in with tanks as soon as the Georgians decided to roll up the insurgency. The contention that Georgia attacked Russia is absurd on its face, since South Ossetia is part of Georgia, not part of Russia.
Clueless Joe: The Russian government's response to the plan to base anti-missile interceptors in Poland, especially the nuclear threat made by the foreign minister, makes it clear that their opposition is, like their Georgian adventure, merely another attempt to re-assert their control over their old empire.
Pierce: So, you're ready to give back Kosovo to Serbia?
Pierce: What were the Georgians doing across the border in russia.
You can make the same argument of the US arming and instigating the Georgians to go after the Ossetians who were in a defensive posture against the Georgians' aggression. You can hear this in the rhetoric of both mccain and liarman and bush. They got caught. They got beat. Now they want us to believe they were so innocent. They weren't. They want us to belive the Ossetians deserved the war crimes Georgia committed against them because they didn't want to be part of Georgia. They didn't.
Have some more koolaid, Pierce. The NEED a new enemy so they create one. Its a vote getter to them and fuck all the innocent people in the way. gah.
Pierce, I don't know which rightwing asshat you've been listening to, but Georgia, using their military which has been thoughtfully armed and trained by us and the Israelis, started this mini-debacle when they shelled the living shit out of a small city of 10,000 people, including hospitals and schools, thinking that they could take the province by force.
"If Georgia had been admitted into NATO Putin wouldn't have dared his little adventure."
And if a south cackalack bullfrog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass on the ground. :o)
Everyone in NATO knows that Saakashvili is a loose cannon. That's one of the reasons that bush couldn't shoehorn Georgia in, despite the fact that that big pipeline carrying a lot of oil for Europe to use, goes through the country.
I mean, there were 1600 american troops IN Georgia 30 days before Saakashvili pulled the trigger. :o) They went home.
(Except for the advisers and the "contractors"...) Maybe they knew something? :o)
What was really hilarious was watching Saakashvili hold that presser two days ago, when he was pissing and moaning about how someone in the west (hint-hint...) ought to pull his "democratic" nuts out of the fire that HE started. And Condoleeza Rice was standing right beside him when he said it. :o)
She looked like he was telling her to empty bedpans, from the hospital ward where she did her little "show-the-flag" photo-op. :o)
George bush gave, between 2004 and 2006, about $150 million dollars in war and "security" material, to a guy who just turned around and shit on his head, by giving the Russians a perfect opportunity to flex their muscles.
Pierce, this is not, excuse the expression, rocket science. :o)
It works like this: Europe needs Russian oil and natural gas a lot more than it needs Georgia in NATO.
:o)
They care fuckall about that. Which is to say; they care fuckall about helping george bush's legacy. :o)
As for the Russian anti-aircraft missiles, I think you're behind the times. Everything I read is that they are very fast and very accurate, and the multiple-targeting from just one of them makes them a real problem for incoming aircraft.
There seems to be this quaint notion that the Russians are in the electronic dark ages, while amurka is out on the cutting edge. You are aware of that Russky torpedo, that clips along at 200 knots, aren't you?
And they've had about 20-odd years to work on upgrades of the Stinger missiles that the Iranians gave them. As have the Iranians, themselves.
Bush can't do diddly-shit about this, except whine.
He did airlift those 2,000 troops from the coalition-of-the-rented, in Iraq, back to Georgia, which of course, instantly got Putin's attention.
Now? Good luck, Junior, with getting Russia to help with sanctions on Iran for their nuclear programs.
This is just one of bushCo's spinning plates, crashing down in the dying days of nearly 8 years of idiocy, arrogance, and greed.
There are more to come.
"He's even dumber than bush on the issues here."
Really? Way back in 2002, when everyone was drinking bush's "let's do Iraq!" koolaid like it was their mother's milk, Obama had the smarts and the courage to speak out against it.
Three weeks ago, he said that invading Iraq was the worst foreign-policy decision in modern american history.
compared with "Mission Accomplished" and the cakewalk that will pay for itself, Obama looks like a fucking wizard.
Bush looks like what he is; a man whom, all his life, could fuck up a can of peaches.
BTW, South Ossetia hasn't been part of Georgia for 17 years. They left, in name and fact, as Georgia declared it's independence. This is one more ethnic and political fight that's been going on for a long time.
South Ossetia is predominantly Russian. The Russians have been administering it for those 17 years. The notion that Georgia mounted that attack to take back something that belonged to them, is horseshit.
Same thing with Abkahzia. Those two provinces are now in the Russian sphere of influence more solidly than at any time since the old Soviet Union broke up.
George bush is going to have to deal with it, and so are the jingos like you and Pierce.
Pierce Nichols what are your feelings on Tabeit again?
Just curious, seesm that you have soem interestign ideas on who deserves indipendence adn who dosen't
Oh right, russians area allways evil, so any to bit petty dictator who opposes them is inharently good, regardless of the atrocities he commits.
aloowing Georgia into NATO would be the end of NATO...
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