Damn. That's some truly ugly stuff, and scary, too. I will file this away for future reference to use when my "moderate" relatives start singing Rudy's praises.
Wow. Staggeringly ugly, but sadly not a surprise. Nice to see you getting in a cut or two on the Rudester.
We need to see a lot more of Rudy's past shenanigans down here in the ^&#@&$! Bible Belt. It might change some minds.
I had no idea Ann Althouse was such an expert on the difference between screaming and shouting.
I guess it's only screaming when Howard Dean does it.
I remember that Staten Island secession ploy. I say let them secede. And then we’ll reinstate the fare on the ferry, make it $10 each way. And we’ll take down the Verrazzano Bridge and sell it as scrap iron to construction companies in China. And require that all NYC employees be residents – NYPD, NYFD, everybody.
LM, of course I hope you’re right, but I still say Giuliani’s the favorite now. OK, I’m playing with numbers a bit, but it’s far from given that Cheney and the petro-security profiteers will go quietly. I figure there’s a 20-25% chance that they’ll engineer a terrorist emergency election hijack/postponement scenario, and Giuliani is a leading contender to front a coup. That leaves a 75% chance that the next president will emerge from a more-or-less standard election, but it’s a relatively crowded field, and I don’t think that any of the other candidates is above 15% now.
Our best hopes for avoiding Giuliani are his megalomania and the coziness of Clinton, Obama, et al with the economic status quo.
The racist greedheads prefer a police state, but they must have reservations about handing the reins to Rudie. The German oligarchs took a while to turn to Hitler, and they were facing a substantial challenge from the left.
"I guess it's only screaming when Howard Dean does it."
Oh no, the T.J. Swann i.v.-ed nutjob claims that the Dean "scream" was different, and that "screaming" is a "gender-issue" thing (women scream, men shout, yada-yada). She also says that she "supported" Dean after his moment, so people need to get off her back, and all. Please.
The nitwit is totally fucking crazed now because the full context of Giuliani's "Bullshit!" scream is starting to get out there, and her attempts to corral it in the whole "bad word" bubble won't work.
Sargent (the original poster) is apparently a New Yorker, and popped the "Bullshit!" post and video up there in a "looky what I found" kinda mode as folks were wondering (and in my case, predicting) when it would surface. He "short-handed" the description of it—boiling it down to the moment itself. After Prof. Boxwhine and the rest of the wingnut defense squad got their panties, and in Ace's case, 'Gimp' suit in a bunch and the full, gory context was given—context that they could have gleaned with five minutes of Googling, or maybe, asking a New Yorker (God forbid!) about it—now, it's about "Why were you mean to me? Why didn't you explain it all to me before I defended him and looked like a fucking idiot! Apologize! And...uh...let's not discuss how it's obvious that Rudy contributed mightily to that day's ugliness, mmm-kay?"
Sargent took Pandora's box outta the closet and opened it a crack. "Duh-stiny's Child" decided to kick the box in anger.
And now all the worms, and maggots, and rats, and gurgling untreated sewage is pouring out.
I was in New York that day, and I remember it well. It was ugly and scary, and something Rudy and his minions would like everyone to forget.
I ain't forgetting. And I'm not gonna let others forget either.
LM,
Thanks for that, was away at the time, but I remember my mom telling me over the telephone how crazy things were that day.
wait wait wait
All I have is your account, LM, so please clarify. WOMEN scream? MEN shout? So, what, we've got a situation here in which it's OK for men to go around hollering at people, but not OK for women to raise their dainty voices in protest?
If I may be permitted to shout (oh, you just try and stop me!): And this woman thinks she's a feminist?
So, what, we're supposed to hand over the world's volume control to the penis people? Like this is how we're gonna create change?
I know. Wingnuts. There's no point even trying to sort this out.
Where'd I put the Vicodin....?
Yeah, I always thought Guiliani was Nixon's spiritual heir. So, in the early 1990s, Rudy ran on "Son of SOuthern Strategy."
And he's doing a variation on that today. It's "Be afraid, very afraid, of those BROWN Arab/Muslim people."
Bleh. I hope he gets beaten down so bad by the campaign trail that he disappears into obscurity.
You might wanna wash that Vicodin down with an "Althose-Wrecker"—my name for a new, highly-potent cocktail. (2 parts Ethyl Alcohol, 1 6 oz. bottle of Vanilla Extract, a shpritz of Aqua Net, and three capfuls of NyQuil)
Here's what she said. (No linky for Prof. Crazypants)
"Greg apparently doesn't know the first thing about gender studies. "Screaming" is a feminizing word. [ADDED: "Screaming" also calls to mind the way that word was used to bring down Howard Dean in 2004. Presidential candidates can't "scream," we learned, so you may think that if you can say he "screamed," you can destroy him the way Dean was destroyed. (I defended Dean about the scream at the time, by the way.)]
Obviously, there's a difference between "screaming" and "shouting." And you left out your word "unhinged." You said he was "unhinged" and "screaming." You know damned well -- unless you're incredibly inept -- that those words conveyed an image of a crazy, out-of-control guy. "Screaming" itself connotes loss of control -- which would be terrible problem for a President -- and when you've paired it with the word "unhinged," the connotation isn't the slightest bit subtle. You are trying to get readers to think that Giuliani is emotionally unfit to be President. "
You might wanna have two Vics after that. 
My goodness, but L'il Annie Outhouse is as stupid as a bag of rocks. One envisions her sobbing drunkenly into her pillow over the cruel treatment her beloved Rudy's getting for such silly little trivialities as trying to start a violent, race-based riot. "What reasonable person could ever object to such conduct?"
My God. Here in my cozy vantage point in Toronto, I'd never even heard about this ugly episode before. I knew Dinkins had a hard time of it when he was Mayor, but this...Jesus. Your account of the day is completely terrifying, LM.
As for Ghouliani...well, what can you say that's not patently obvious? He's a fucking monster, and I hope he's thoroughly humiliated before being forced to drop out of the 2008 White House Stampede. He's one of the contenders who might actually turn out worse than Bush if he makes it all the way...which is saying something.
I remember that too, LM, and how ugly it all was. What always struck me was that there were 10,000 cops attending the rally, and I think at that time NYC had something like 28,000 or 30,000 total on the police force. Always stuck in my mind, that 1 out of 3 were at that rally, probably drunk, and all licensed to carry a gun. Una Clarke was lucky that bastard didn't shoot her.
And I always laughed years later when the NYPD flipped out on Rudy 'cause he didn't come through with raises for them. They were all so angry that they'd been lied to and taken advantage of by their hero. Karma's a bitch. 
"Always stuck in my mind, that 1 out of 3 were at that rally, probably drunk, and all licensed to carry a gun. Una Clarke was lucky that bastard didn't shoot her."
The number is what struck me too, Diane. It was a third of the force out there, and like you said—fuck "off duty"—those clowns were armed.
Armed. Angry. And drunk. Throw in feeling that because of who they were, that they could do anything they wanted. A toxic mix. Truly toxic.
And I'm not a fan of Una Clarke's either...but I remember her on the news that night, and she was visibly shaken. Reality smacked Black New Yorkers in the face that day, from Joe Blow moving a pushcart in the Fashion District—to a high-ranking elected official.
Rudy's crazed thetoric was at the center of it. He was the keynote speaker. Their champion. And he has NEVER addressed, much less repudiated the ugly events he was, like it or not, a part of.
I love hearing about stuff like this. 'Cause no one ever tells non-New-Yorkers about this.
I don't think it's a matter of me not paying attention -- I think it's more about the national media deciding to keep certain things secret, especially if it's gonna make racist motherfuckers like Rudy look bad...
Thank you, thank you thank you!
I've been hoping that someone who could supply the necessary local color would take this up. Amazing to see even young Muslim men wielding box-cutters in the midst of it. And though I'd heard of the "Giuliani time" taunts to which the torture victim Louima was subjected, I'd forgotten the specific association to former-Mayor Dinkins. (I know the basic story well, but had moved away by the time it took place so I know it from the news accounts.)
There's a lot of richness to this story, as LM has brought forth, but the main thing to me has always been that from that day, Giuliani should have been utterly disqualified from a position of leadership in this country. (The racist Staten Island ploy tells you how it happened anyway.) Any time people see such behavior, they should consider that it tends not to be "contained," as we have also seen over and over again from Rudy.
"I don't think it's a matter of me not paying attention -- I think it's more about the national media deciding to keep certain things secret, especially if it's gonna make racist motherfuckers like Rudy look bad..."
"Ding!"
You nailed it, Wally. They could trot that footage out—including the shots of the officers trashing the cars, and Una Clarke's panicked on-the-scene comments. There's raw feed shots of all that craziness in every local NY station's archives. These people don't wanna embarass their little 9-11 boy-king. A factor in this may also be that they know about all the shit that's coming and wanna be able to say "their hands were clean" when the poop comes down.
By-the-by, I read your "Jena" post at your site—good stuff! I'll be linking to it and hat-tipping in a later post on the subject.
I don't think it's a matter of me not paying attention -- I think it's more about the national media deciding to keep certain things secret, especially if it's gonna make racist motherfuckers like Rudy look bad...
This is about right. As I said, I was out of town when it happened, but still followed the news, and knew enough not to rely on the NYT for local news. It's only because of the Voice and Newsday, whose national play is slight and selective, that I really got some grasp of what was going on.
The actual New York City and the pr/press it largely self-generates are two different things. That's often quite good, but it also lets important things get swept under the rug.
LM -- could I suggest linking to someone other than me on the Jena thing? I really don't have much to offer beyond "Christ, this pisses me off!"
I think Sheelzebub over at Pandagon (as well as several other bloggers who I can't think of on short notice) has been keeping an eye on it more than I have...
LM, great as usual and even more revealing than your last post about that sick bastard. Thanks.
What really worries me is that there really is a large segment of Republican voters for whom this sort of behavior from Giuliani would be considered a feature, not a bug, and after Katrina they've become less shy about being open about it, not more shy. Think about how ugly a presidential race of Giuliani vs. Obama could get. I can't imagine that our media would be up to the challenge of covering that with any sort of intelligence and integrity. It makes me sick just thinking about it.
LM, I swear I could feel the spirit of Steve G. hovering while I was reading your post.
Giuliani was a freaking tyrant in NYC and he'd be worse in the White House with the ability to use the FBI, Homeland Security, DOJ in pursuit of his nefarious and unconstitutional goals.
I remember when all this was happening in the Giuliani administration. Giuliani loved those NYPD rallies but when people who did not agree with his policies tried to rally, he denied them permits to protest in front of City Hall. I remember the cabbies and the AIDS activists and the artists. Then, Giuliani used the NYPD to enforce a 25-person limit for City Hall protests. It doesn't take a 1st Amendment scholar to see the problem with Rudy's I'll-give-you-a-permit-if-I-like-your-message approach to approving rallies. Sure enough, the City got sued on 1st Amendment grounds and lost those lawsuits and wasted thousands of $$ on stupid legal fees.
The irony is that on the heels of Rudy trying to limit the other protests to 25 people, that same year, 1998, he showed his rank hypocrisy by approving a huge rally for the Yankees, World Series champs, on the City Hall steps.
Which leads me to my final point- Fuck Giuliani and Fuck the Fucking Yankees.
No, Watson, don't see it happening, for the same reason that they dropped it. The fine folks of Staten Island discovered that if they seceded, they'd have to actually pay for the services the rest of New York - the ones they think they're supporting with their taxes - are actually subsidizing for a borough that never a day produced enough revenue to support the basic services they use.
Hell, if they had to pay for clean water they'd go bankrupt in six months.
Staten Island is the land of the wingnut welfare queens, and they aren't leaving as long as the people they despise are paying their bills.
Meanwhile, back in Giulianiland, as soon as he got into office he barred anyone whose opinions he disagreed with from the City Hall steps, and (as with most of his illegal initiatives - you wouldn't believe the money the city paid out to people who were subjected to cavity searches for misdemeanors) he used millions of dollars of the corporation council's time to tie it up in court. When he lost, he launched a "restoration" of City Hall park that shut it down completely until his term was over.
I'll grant you that if I had to flee a city because my father was a convicted enforcer for the mob, I probably wouldn't have good feelings about it.
I'd like to think that if I were elected to represent the people who lived in it I'd be above punishing them for daddy's sins.
Julia, You and I are on the same page.
Giuliani wasted hundreds of thousands of legal fees trying to justify civil liberties violations:
the banning of the NY Magazine public bus ads b/c they ran a cover that Rudy did not like and the attempt to cancel the Bklyn Museum of Art exhibit b/c he did not like certain artistic impressions. In each case, NYC got smacked down and ordered to pay legal fees because of the unconstitutional actions taken by HizzAsshole.
As a lawyer, Rudy knew better and he had to know that his case was a loser. But he did not care about the merits or about the NYC taxpayers. All he cared about was advancing the Giuliani agenda. I call that, Bullshit.
This has been a good couple of years for publicizing the well-hidden and willfully-ignored scary sides of the gilded turds the GOP are presenting as future leaders.
The intertubes are treating the regular media as a malfunction and routing around it. The Right actually were first past the post, taking the scalps of Dan Rather and that CNN news producer who said the Pentagon targeted unembedded journalists in Iraq. But our people have pulled ahead through learning the tricks and having better material. If it bleeds, it leads, and the GOP candidates and antics are one 52-car pileup after another. It's all too good to pass up, and YouTube and other blogs will show you the sucking chest wound. You cannot turn away, and neither can the regular media.
In Ghoulani's case, "Bullshit!" and that iconic toilet plunger will almost certainly figure prominently as long as he and the GOP entertain hopes of another "Compassionate Conservative" candidacy.
Octavia: "Think about how ugly a presidential race of Giuliani vs. Obama could get. I can't imagine that our media would be up to the challenge of covering that with any sort of intelligence and integrity. It makes me sick just thinking about it."
Please, our korporate media can't cover anything "with any sort of intelligence and integrity."
good riposte to "GOP Spooge-Mouth" Malkin. she has no clue.
Apparently neither does the GOP.
And nor does Rudy. What a dick.
Gay Veteran--
Good point. Maybe it would be better in negative terms: at its best, media coverage of politics is not completely cringeworthy and offensive to all human dignity, but I fear that even that would not be possible in this case?
wow. just wow.
He hasn't even apologized for shtupping an City employee while being married -- why should he apologize for anything else?
Although I am looking forward to any revelations by Kerik, Hanover and Regan about Rudy, these posts are keeping me sane during Rudy's attempts to transform himself into Presidential material.
Oh yeah...I'm printing out these posts so I can hand them out to the next troglodyte who says
'I love Rudy' to my face.
I have to agree with Octavia that many republicans like the stuff that Rudy did. What I'm afraid is that many Democrats won't mind either. Remember NYC has more registered Democrats than Republicans & Rudy won 2 elections.
To many (especially the pundits) Rudy is a tough guy, he took care of the blacks in NY he'll take the Muslims & "wet backs" & that appeals to many too many people.
LM--You are working your way up to a whole series here. This one was a chilling little vignette for sure.
I'll be looking out for the next one, sure to be another scorcher and chiller all at once.
For whatever his failings might be, Rudy has supplied plenty of material for punditry.
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