Yes!
He shoots, he scores, he fucking nails the basket in a shattering explosion the likes of which I haven't seen in years.
Way to come out Lower Manhattanite.
Not just with a small little shot from the free throw line. Not even with a routine layup or reverse.
But with a glass-shattering heart-pounding jam which shatters the fucking glass and leaves everyone in the fucking arena on their feet screaming, "OH. MY. GODS."
You are SO the man.
Bring it. Bring it all the way home. Welcome to the world you are creating.
Proud of you.
Good score, but I don't think that's Bandar in the photo. I think it's Crown Prince Abdulla - but no difference.
This is something that the American Taliban would call a no-brainer: the slutty woman deserved it, imagine, just riding in a car with a non-family-related male!!!
Of course, women in Saudi Arabia can't drive or vote, have a nice separate compartment in the back of buses, and in mosques as well.
Notice that the lawyer defending the girl was debarred and faces disciplinary action
Amended.
Thanks ceabaird! Bandar is the one who sits around in the parlor in Crawford with Bush hoping Laura lapses into a deep, wall-thumping deaf Percoset sleep in the next room.
Ewwww. 
Double-ewwwwwwwwww...
You almost made me lose my appetite for turkey dinner... and no, hubris, you can't have my share - I said almost...
The country will "survive" in the sense that Russia survived the fall of Communism, Germany WWII, and France and England the end of their colonial empires, but it will not survive unscathed nor, I suspect, in its present form.
We are just too far gone, economically, politically, militarily, etc. to be able to turn back the clock.
The windbag questioner really is conflating two issues. Someone should point out to her that the 9/11 terrorist hijackers didn't have to bother trying to cross the borders. Instead, they very easily flew right into our airports, courtesy of the lax visa requirements for visitors from Saudi Arabia. Before 9/11, Saudis got preferential treatment for visas to visit the US and Al Qaeda knew this and exploited this.
The fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia was not a coincidence, it was by design. The Visa Express program allowed the Saudis to get visas at travel agencies and they did not have to appear in person.
Tell the wingnut that the hijackers didn't need to cross our stinking borders. They were welcomed into the first-class lounges at our airports.
Good post LowerManhattanite.
It is not a coincidence that Saudi Arabia is never mentioned in the news media as being a state sponsor of terror, nor for exporting a violent theocratic ideology that promotes violence against the United States. A President should perhaps defend the US against such threats rather than cozying up with corrupt oil baron fellow travelers from across the sea.
But the again the corporate owned mainstream print and broadcast media have enough of themselves controlled by petrodollars that they don't have to worry about anything other than the short man in Tehran or the big guy in Caracas. For in the end all enemies and friends of the United States are determined solely by economic alliances rather by "how bad they are". If only the US instead of China was involved extensively in the the Sudan there would be no Darfur problem. If the tyrannical Shah was still in power in Iran there would be no problem with Tehran. If Chavez had just submitted to the US-backed coup in his country 5 years ago and the Constitution shredding coup plotters were still in power there would be no problem in Caracas.
The leaders of this country are much more concerned with securing their economic interests than securing the country's citizens. And all they need to do to go to war with their economic adversaries is to sell a big pile of bullshit about human rights and some existential threat to the country's security (WMD's in Iraq, nuclear weapons in Iran) and suddenly bombs are raining down from the sky.
LM- appearing out of nowhere with the staff of moral authority in one hand and a depth of geo-political understanding in the other, delivering his wrath upon "the base." Must be hard work for these people to remain so ignorant.
This is still my favorite Bush/Abdullah photo taken in the same set. I call it "The Smootch"
http://www.dontamend.com/
BushPri...hPrinceKiss.jpg
The sad fact is that if we do whack this particular wasp nest we get to $200 a barrel oil all that much faster. Not that this would cause George Bush to do much other than a little jig.
My question is why neither side of the aisle has demanded a national program of energy efficiency, conservation and research into alternative methods versus the present plan of being a junkie bitch to whoever has the oil. It is downright criminal that our country is doing so little to extricate itself from this dependent relationship with Saudi Arabia.
LM,
I find this post a little disturbing. I have no idea what you're
trying to say and will try to refrain from insinuation but I really
want to address a couple of details of the post.
Of the 19 9-11 attackers, 14 OF THEM CAME FROM SAUDI ARABIA—the land
of those government-funded religious madrasas—cultish,
hyper-fundamentalist “Islamic” schools where hatred of all things
Western is taught alongside a brass-knuckled, highly-oppressive
version of al Islam.
What exactly is the "hatred of all things Western" you are referring
to? Their country, their religion (however nuttier it might be, it's
still theirs and they are not asking anyone to join in). I live in
India and I've been presented 3 bibles so far, out in the boondocks,
somewhere you can't find it on Google Maps. Yep, your average
American Boy Bugger(TM) evangelical. I too hate all things Western
now, after some dipshit tried to tell me Jesus was the way. I became
better, atheist now.
It appears a lot of the attackers had a reason;
http://www.juancole.com/2004/10/...e-asked-
me.html
I'm Tamil and my State Tamil Nadu supports the LTTE in DEFIANCE of the
central gov. *cough* IRA and the East Coast bar collections for the
Cause....
Rather than thinking Gov. sponsered stuff, it appears that solidarity
with the Palestinian and Lebanese causes might be the reason. Oh, add
that vile country Israel which is the albatross around your country's
neck to the list of reasons.
The Saudis are what's keeping the Palestinians from silently genocided
by the Israelis. Even now as we speak.
There's no word fit to describe the ugliness of that story. None
whatsoever.
Hey, that seems to be slightly worse than India's. We still follow
Queen Victoria's antiquated sex laws; no buggery, no same sex
"unnatural acts" stuff and rape is defined as explicitly with
reference to the male organ. Get sodomised with a pipe, it doesn't
count. We are a democracy, but, so no big deal.
Different country, different yardsticks.
cont....
shanks
A star chamber of spoiled, inbred petro-princes....
Let's see, the US muscles out Britain out of Arabia in the 30s and
gets Faisal and Co. there and what did you expect? Dude, the first
democratic elections in the Kingdom of Saud, you'd be standing in line
with a petrol can for gas. That's how elected Govs. will treat a
country whom they don't like. Like a peddler and crack whore, you two
countries need each other more than you realise. like 15% of your oil
requirements.
If you stopped buying, maybe they wouldn't be rich princes? or spoilt
maybe? Rest assured that won't happen.
I have been a Muslim for most of my life, and I know for a fact that
the lunatic Wahabbism practiced and supported by Bush's friend
Abdullah is just a freaky, twisted version of Islam designed to keep
people dumb and time-locked.
That comes out like beautifully racist, know that? As in, the Saudis
can't think for themselves and will follow lock step the mullahs. But
me, an American Muslim know best or even better. BTW, If you demand
religious progress, they're not obligated to do it at anyone's behest
and why yours?
who effectively support the world's leading financier and exporter
of terror to our shores, as well as the number one stumbling block to
democracy in the Mid-East.
Flat out wrong. Israel is. That's the elephant in the room, no one
talks about. In geo-political and financial terms, the Saudis have
saved the USA a lot more times than you'd imagine. Citibank bailout,
their continued dollar denominated oil selling, their willingness to
stand by your side even when the entire Arab HATES the USA.
cont...
shanks
Dude, right now, if an Iraqi wrote the same article that would make
sense. 3000 on 9/11 versus what? quarter million dead and 2 million
refugees. Get real, you tore up your own constitution and kept quiet
(while a third world country Pakistan is out on the streets over a
Chief Justice being sacked), suspended Habeus, torture, rendition and
talk about war so casually, that it makes others sick.
Get YOUR house in order.
If you feel rage just imagine what an Iraqi must feel against the
USA. What is that chinese saying "May you outlive your kids"; that's
what is going to happen to a whole bunch of Americans. Like in the
sands of Mesopotamia.
I'm part of the Thomas "Flathead/knucklehead" Friedman outsourcing
"cheap workers" chattel and I meet a whole bunch of "aliens" from the
USA in the IT world. Egyptians, Italians, French and Americans and
others. Instructive to see the defensiveness of the Americans and the
lip curling contempt of the Europeans and the gritted anger from
people of the Middle East. Out of office and over drinks.
Like I said, I don't know what exactly you were trying to say. All I'm
saying is, it is superficial to say majority 9/11 Saudis, Saudi Arabia
bad country. If that is the yardstick without any nuance, then it
follows that Iraq too has the same reasoning against the USA (who
gives a shit about neocons,cheney, antiwar protests et al?)
People died; far more in excess of 3000.
shanks
whatsw with the prosaudi troll...dudes from india and that explanes a lot. been my experience that the guys from india are cluless...gie me a pakistani and I am happy, indian programmer....the project is lost cause the guy is a moron.
Oh and if he say "Ya sure" it means "i'm a clusless moron, fire me before i cause too much damage."
I refuse to be lectured on human rights by any from the land of hte untouchables, and wies gettign tossed live on the funeral pier.
And here's a little piece about the new "stability" in Iraq:
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Larry%
20Dunnagan/Local%20Settings/Temp/NDr261.tmp.html
Of course, the "government forces" rounding up the Sadr people, were almost certainly just militia members of the Badr gang, and, of course they were "backed up" by U.S. and Polish troops.
It's called: "Picking THIS week's faction to empower..."
And if fucking with Sadr and imprisoning his people with factional roundups is going to lead to "stability" and troop drawdowns, then doves of peace will fly out of Dick Cheyney's ass.
AmuseInc; I take issue with one small statement:
To wit: $200 dollar a barrel oil is NOT going to make george bush dance a jig.
One cannot dance when one is on a spit over a barbecue pit, being turned by a team of Wall St. fatcats, Old line goopers, and a LONNNG line of congressional republicans who would rather not explain $6 a gallon gas to their panzer-loving constituents in an election year.
salam alaikum.
you have hit the nail on the head, its the reason MILLIONS marched around the world against the Iraq invasion. It was OBVIOUS to the rest of the planet.
andy: It was obvious to most in america as well...lets note that plenty of other govemnets supported the war. and note that the UN did nothing to stop...in fact added the current american administration with launchign the war.
don't give me that bullshit about Powls lies...every one in the UN should have known that they where lies...teh rest of us did.
wow, thought I was reading Driftglass, very good!!!
Well another country, shanks, heard from... though I think our friend from India has not a clue about how the United States works or in the case of the Bush administration doesn't work. He also seems to share the Right Wing idiocy of a monolithic "enemy." I suggest that as many Moslem factions as there are, there are an equal number of internal American factions at work developing policy. To attribute a single mindedness to either Moslems or Americans is worse than prejudice, it is stupidity.
Israel as the cause of all the Middle East's problems is another laughable statement. And quite bluntly the Arab world will never cause Americans to view Israel as anything but a democratic like minded country in the middle of a bunch of backward religious whackjobs. I am no fan of Israel but even I know how your average American views the Israelis and how the average American views the Palestinians. There is no contest in the PR battle no matter who is right or wrong. Personally I wish a pox on both their houses as there are certainly no exclusively angelic side. In fact, I think they deserve each other for their crimes against each other.
So shank in shorter terms, as an American I think you do not understand my country and have nothing to say about us... that is other than ranting on.
Dear “anonymous”
1.) My “hatred of all things Western” statement pertains to the madrasas fomenting anti-American sentiment as a distraction from the Oil princes own perfidy in keeping the less-wealthy of their own people down. It is a well-know fact that there is growing trouble in Saudi Arabia insofar as discontent with the masses against the House of Saud—and one of the ways they keep the people there chasing their tails is by ramping up the funding of those "down-the-rabbit-hole" schools.
2.) You'll note that I took the Petro-Princes of both America and Saudi Arabia to task. It's a mutually beneficial, fucked-up relationship. They feed on each other's weakness and needs. One bunch desperately needs oil and the resulting dollars from refining it, the other bunch desperately craves power, has all the oil and wants the resulting dollars from selling it. Greed and need on both ends. A large part of the reason why the U.S. is still wedded to oil is because of the reluctance to shift to alternative fuels due to the ridiculous amount spent on refinery infrastructure. Also, a lot of American “old money” is tied into the oil industry, so continued dependence is gonna be fostered by these bigwigs. Our dumb addiction to living high on the oil hog ain't exactly news pardner—it's a teat America's needed to wean itself from for years and self-destructively hasn't.
3.) On what I said about Wahabbism—it IS a sect of the faith, and in my opinion a most unfortunate one because it doesn't allow for the ways human beings and our world has changed in many centuries. It's the progressive in me that despises the treatment of women in society—any society, as mere chattel. 200 lashes after being gang-raped? Yeah...I'm always gonna have a problem with that. Tough. And IF folks want to practice Wahabbism, fine, I guess. To each his own, but I hate seeing the House of Saud financing and backing these schools as some anesthetic to the people seeing them for what they really are. Their cynical financing of it all puts a bad taste in people's mouths about the whole damn thing. With good reason I might add.
4.) Re: Israel: The way Israel was carved out and plunked down where it is was a colossal fuck-up. But you know what? You can't unshoot a gun. It's there and we have to live with it. And as screwed-up, and shitty, and beligerent as that nation may be, Arab nations have to be responsible for themselves politically. Israel isn't FORCING these states to be dictatorships, juntas, and monarchies. The Saudis are the richest nation, and most in the U.S.'s favor in the region, and they exert a huge amount of influence over their neighbors. And OUR support for their monarchy doesn't foster regional Democracy in any way, shape or form. End of story. Israel's an issue that has tentacles stretching all over the area, but its level of influence on the mode of government favored there?—tangential at best—if at all.
That Saudi “help” you speak of again, is just the “reach-around” as both powers mutually get each other's petro-dollaar rocks off. “Help?” Please. You probably think “pro” wrestling is real, too. The “heavy” has his part, as does the “hero”, and they both play the script tp perfection.
And when the night is done, THEY BOTH PICK UP THEIR CHECKS, PAT EACH OTHER ON THE BACK AND GO HOME.
5.) Lastly, if you read the post you'll note that I take the U.S. to task for initiating an unjust war against a non-aggressor. If you've ever read this blog before—and something tells me you haven't—you'd know I've done that here in scores of posts and comments. As a group, we've hashed, rehashed, and re-rehashed the karmic damage the U.S. will reap for the evil we've visited upon Iraq and it's people. Chapter and verse has been given on the horrific numbers and the horrific misdeeds, so you're barking up the wrong damn tree if you're trying to spin this place of all places as some sort of hotbed of pro-Iraq war sentiment.
I mean...Goddamn.
With that. done.
Well said. The lawyer defending her also lost his lost license.
Anonymous,
What in the hell are the Saudis doing for the Palestinians? Name ONE THING!!!
Condi tried to use the excuse that she needed Saudi help with the peace process for not slamming them about their barbaric legal system.
Also share with us how Israel trained the Tamil Tigers.
I'll be waiting.
I think it's a combination of both. People like that questioner have been listening to Hannity, Coulter and Rush (along with the local loons) for so long they don't know anything else. There is bound to be some misinformation floating around those parts.
I remember working a job where this older guy saw me surfing the net, He asked me what I was looking at and I said the BBC:
"The BBC?! They're biased! I watch Fox!"
I turned my head and laughed while mentioning that I tried to get my news from multiple sources. I don't think it registered.
It's ignorant because people like him and Obama's agitator are getting the wrong information. It's willfull because they won't make any effort to do anything about it.
Also share with us how Israel trained the Tamil Tigers.
I'll be waiting.
sure, just check out the book "By way of deception" by ex-mossad agent Victor, from your Library.
http://www.amazon.com/Way-Decept...r/dp/
0971759502
http://www.google.com/search?hl=...nka&
btnG=Search
Like the way, US played Iran/Iraq during their war.
shanks
though I don't know where you get the impression, I said the Israelis trained the LTTE in the first place.
whatsw with the prosaudi troll...dudes from india and that explanes a lot.
been my experience that the guys from india are cluless...gie me a pakistani and I am happy, indian programmer....the project is lost cause the guy is a moron.
Not to worry, that's what stupid fucks like you said about the Japs, the koreans and the chinese. & now you know how things turned out.
I refuse to be lectured on human rights by any from the land of hte untouchables, and wies gettign tossed live on the funeral pier.
Get out more. by the same token, I don't think anyone is listening to babykillers, are they?
moonglum. White; Non-Germanic
That's the problem. At least, the Germans learnt something after 2 wars.
shanks
There is no contest in the PR battle no matter who is right or wrong. Personally I wish a pox on both their houses as there are certainly no exclusively angelic side. In fact, I think they deserve each other for their crimes against each other.
Then why bother at all about any country's behaviour?
shanks
1.) My “hatred of all things Western” statement pertains to the
madrasas fomenting anti-American sentiment as...
As opposed to Muslim bogeymen fomenting by the current Admin.in the
USA....Each country figures out, that externalising the threat works,
like the Germans, the USA and the Saudis? Surprised?
2.) You'll note that I took the Petro-Princes of ...
Granted, yes you did but being rich or being inbred is not really
adding to the conversation is it?
3.) On what I said about Wahabbism—it IS a sect of the faith, and in
my opinion a most unfortunate one because it doesn't allow for the
ways human beings and our world has changed in many centuries.
Like yours has been hijacked by the Right, so it is with the Saudis.
There is a middle class there which strives for change. Unless you
watch Al Jazeera, you're not going to see that,are you?
4.) Re: Israel: The way Israel was carved out and plunked down
where it is was a colossal fuck-up. But you know what? You can't
unshoot a gun.
Granted; you know the Saudis came up with a reasonable offer. 1968
borders and the recognition of Israel. Sure, it was more to save
their own skin but they did make an offer. Where did that go? Right
now, all palestinians are in 18% of their former land.
One hypothetical question: Is it OK let anti-semitism or slavery
continue because it's been there for what? 2000 years? You can't
unshoot that gun? So why bother with Civil rights? What's so wrong
with the Palestinians that they just can't go home?
That Saudi “help” you speak of again, is just the “reach-around” as
both powers mutually get each other's petro-dollaar rocks off. “Help?”
Please.
Of course, as opposed to having 2 million refugees in their country?
5.) Lastly, if you read the post you'll note that I take the
U.S. to task for initiating an unjust war against a non-aggressor.
Yes, I've been reading this site for a year now.....So that's why I
posted this because I expected a better analysis of things.
shanks
“Yes, I've been reading this site for a year now.....So that's why I posted this because I expected a better analysis of things.
Site's less than six months old, hotshot.
And you could do with a wee bit of remedial reading comprehension—unless that is, your elliptical, goalpost-moving style of “debate” is willful.
If the latter? G'night Gracie. Now and forever.
Ah, yes, a mistake, I meant I followed your posts in the comments section from the old site of Steve's. If you find that hard to believe you can check with Jesse; I have been reading the sites since a year at least.
elliptical as in ... or? I used ... to shorten the quoting instead of repeating the entire para.
As for goalpost moving, all I'm saying is, Saudi Arabia simply mirrors your now, as any country under a siege mentality does. Is that hard to see?
Run through the freedoms you lost,compare it to what they never had and in continuity what they are doing now.
They hate our Values : lines from the National Review and co. versus lines like yours "hatred of all things western"
Just how big is the religious Right in the USA? and how big is the "nutty" sect in Arabia? You got an unwanted war, they got 2 towers.
saying 14 of them came from Arabia and jumping off from there can be played back by saying, LM and company too are responsible for the current Middle East carnage; even though everyone here is pretty much anti-war everything.
Fair?
shanks
I'm not going to get into the middle of the actual argument, as I don't feel qualified.
What I will confirm is that Shanks and I have been chatting by email for well over a year
I would appreciate it if everyone in the conversation all around the world -- and there are at least 3 or 4, maybe 5 people talking now -- worked a little harder to assume good intent on behalf of all our regulars, including shanks, and shanks, if you'd assume that please of LM, and if also everyone worked harder to speak more clearly about what they're saying, so as to reach over communication barriers between cultures and nations.
We are an international blog, talking about highly triggering stuff, and having an argument. It is NOT necessary to fight at a personal level here. Shanks is not a troll. I vouch for him personally.
Thank you everyone.
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